Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here was answerd. First of the klimax DS is ment like the Sondek LP12 player was back when it was launced. Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . The linn people where very clear about this, and expressed strongly that if you buy one it will never be dated. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 The klimax casing really needes to be seen to be apriciated in my oppinion its impossible to improve apone. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
I did read about someone doing a listening test between the SB3, Reciever and Transporter. They weren't blind tests or anything, and purely subjective, but i think if i remember right they prefered the Reciever to the SB3. Obviously the Transporter was way ahead, but the other two were still good. Have a look for Reciever first impressions or something like that. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here was answerd. First of the klimax DS is ment like the Sondek LP12 player was back when it was launced. Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . The linn people where very clear about this, and expressed strongly that if you buy one it will never be dated. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 The klimax casing really needes to be seen (and felt)to be apriciated , in my oppinion its impossible to improve apone. The system was unfamiliare to me so its hard to describe have it really sounded. But the sound had that special kvality the sondek lp12 SE with the current full specs have, where it seems to pull out so much more detajls in the lower bass regions then what im used to herer from other systems. Bass lines starts stops goes up goes down , wherer other playes just playes . The sound was also completly free of grain noise and and colour. I know it sounds old but it truly sounded like real music, All music also sounded completly different , and extremly musical. The studiomater files sounded amazing also but im not into irish music so i will not comment on that. When i got home and tried to listen to the same recordings whole notes seems to be missing in the bass regioons. The klimax DS is a Wow player and somthing that causes me to forever to spind around its axis. I think linn wanted to make the ultimat no bs digital source with this one. No digital output, no digital in ,no word clock no big neon sigend display , no nothing Only2 analog outputs. A bit like a race car . -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;264240 Wrote: Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . The linn people where very clear about this, and expressed strongly that if you buy one it will never be dated. unlike the squessbox 1,2,3 ..or just buy the latest squeezebox each year for over 60 years and still spend less! -- Muggy Muggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic wrote: [the usual I'm a Linn fan-boy stuff] *yawn*. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Robin Bowes;264249 Wrote: harmonic wrote: [the usual I'm a Linn fan-boy stuff] *yawn*. R. Yes absolutly and il say proudly; ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Muggy;264243 Wrote: ..or just buy the latest squeezebox each year for over 60 years and still spend less! That would make sence if it wasssent for the fact that the squeesbox is a cheap plastik gadged that happen to sound okay. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
You made the initial comparison. Justifying a $2 piece of kit because it is upgradeable against a $300 lower-end competitor is absurd. -- Muggy Muggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
I haven't reached 1000 posts, but i really enjoy learning and sharing with other members in this warm and nice community. -- auronthas Auronthas Tajima Power Conditioner #61614; Squeezebox 3 / Cambridge Audio 540C V2 #61614; Van den Hul The Source #61614; Cambridge Audio 540A #61614; Van den Hul Goldwater / Ortofon SPK 200 #61614; Sonus Faber Concertino Domus Dell Inspiron 640m #61614; Window Vista #61614; SC 7.0: 31 Jan 2008 - 17006 #61614; Firmware: 86 #61614; Aztech DSL600EW 'Auronthas in Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/auronthas) 'Group I lead in Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/group/Easy+Listening+-+Jazz+-+Classical+-+New+Age) auronthas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Muggy;264273 Wrote: You made the initial comparison. Justifying a $2 piece of kit because it is upgradeable against a $300 lower-end competitor is absurd. What ? i did no such thing , you did. Why would you buy a Mclaren mercedes when you can get from a/b in a fiat punto? sure you can buy 65 sb3`s for the price of the klimax ds but to me it dossent sound as good . Then ad there is the design and overall kvality to the design. The only thing that matters i think is ,are the extra amounth of money the klimax ds cost compared to the sb3worth the extra price ? Most will say no including me. But that dossent change the fact that it sounded completly mesamizing and i would love to owen it. Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
Yeah! Excellent products, in depth knowledge, relentless tinkering, sharp minds, extremely helpful tech compadres. A most excellent community. Long live the Transporter, who made me fall in love with music again. Regards, Giacomo -- gbruzzo gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;264278 Wrote: What ? i did no such thing , you did. Why would you buy a Mclaren mercedes when you can get from a/b in a fiat punto? sure you can buy 65 sb3`s for the price of the klimax ds but to me it dossent sound as good . Then ad there is the design and overall kvality to the design. The only thing that matters i think is ,are the extra amounth of money the klimax ds cost compared to the sb3worth the extra price ? Most will say no including me. But that dossent change the fact that it sounded completly mesamizing and i would love to owen it. Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then based apone orginal platform and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS with its extreme kvality housing is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, Oh gosh, I find myself agreeing with Harmonic, what's going on ?!?! I haven't heard a Klimax DS but Linn's record (sorry) in digital replay is excellent. I recognise that it might be euphonic and less accurate (might being an important word here), but they have a lot of history that Slim Devices don't have. This is not a dig at the Transporter - a truly remarkable device, sure, but I think it would be folly to consider it the best possible, ever. I do disagree with the upgrade side though - I've never liked the way that you get suckered into an ongoing upgrade path with Linn and Naim that promises smaller and smaller improvements. A good business model for them, sure, but I'm quite happy selling my old stuff to buy new, if that's what I want; this also allows me to step back and consider other manufacturers without thinking about the potential lost investment in the old kit. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
Hello! I have a tranporter, and i have tried to connect a DVD player and a digital sattelite box to the RCA coax and Toslink inputs. I have a Resolution audio Opus 21 Cd-player which have an digital RCA coax input. I have connected Tranporters RCA coax output to the Opus RCA coax input. The Opus 21 has an inbuilt analogue volumecontrol so i can use it as a preamp. The output from the Opus 21 is connected to my active loudspeakers. I have set the Transporters input to RCA coax and the output to RCA coax and tried to play a DVD film, but i can`t get no sound. Is there anyone who know how i should it to work? Regards Bojo from Sweden -- bojo bojo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic wrote: Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, So, are these upgrades free? If not, then what's the difference between upgrading and buying again (either a later version of the same product from the same manufacturer, or a different product from the same or different manufacturer) ?? R. BTW, your car analogy sucked. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic wrote: I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . I've got a PC that I use as a firewall. Its front says Never obsolete, upgrade forever. Its a P2-433 with maybe 256mb of ram. It stopped being upgradable when the Pentium 3 line came out. Its disks drives are 7 years old and you can't buy any that small, and very few modern (cheap reliable) drives use those connectors. My Rabco ST8 turntable was upgrade able to newer cartridges, but it was not upgradable to play CDs. My Dynaco ST120 amp was upgraded to a Sony receiver. The Sony receiver was upgraded to a Classe integrated amp. Plus, I got new faceplates that matched the decore. IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
Try a CD instead of a DVD Good luck -- linuxuser linuxuser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote: harmonic wrote: I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked here Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as time goes . I've got a PC that I use as a firewall. Its front says Never obsolete, upgrade forever. Its a P2-433 with maybe 256mb of ram. It stopped being upgradable when the Pentium 3 line came out. Its disks drives are 7 years old and you can't buy any that small, and very few modern (cheap reliable) drives use those connectors. My Rabco ST8 turntable was upgrade able to newer cartridges, but it was not upgradable to play CDs. My Dynaco ST120 amp was upgraded to a Sony receiver. The Sony receiver was upgraded to a Classe integrated amp. Plus, I got new faceplates that matched the decore. IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek lp12 Se ? The klimax chasing is the only thing that will not change. Upgrades will be factory upgrades and will only acure when a significaly improvment have been made. The linn klimax solos amplifires are unchanged since 1999. The linn klimax twin was upgraded in 2005 with a new amplifire designe the called chakra. But please express why you beleive that ALL audio upgrades are snake oil ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I've got an LP12 that I bought new. Over the years its had an upgraded bearing, inner platter, subchassis, springs, motor, PSU, armboard, baseboard, and two new hinges 'cos the other ones broke. So the only original things left are the plinth, outer platter, top plate and the lid ... and there are improved plinths and top plates available that I never bothered with. It's good that Linn keep developing things, but IMO the upgrades thing is really just a marketing exercise. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Robin Bowes;264297 Wrote: harmonic wrote: Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it will forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973 . The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all the upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers. The klimax DS is the same in this regard For me this is a Huge benefit, So, are these upgrades free? If not, then what's the difference between upgrading and buying again (either a later version of the same product from the same manufacturer, or a different product from the same or different manufacturer) ?? R. BTW, your car analogy sucked. No the are not free But the are priced muh lower then if you where to sell it and buy a new unit, in that light i still think that it is a more customer friendly way of doing it. You can also trade in your old units when somthing completly new comes like the new Ds sources , and you get a pertty good price on the new unit, and in many cases more then what its worth secondhand. But again in the klimax series case the upgrades a much much more cheaper way then buying and selling every second year. I had a tact millinium wich where a mk3 version then the made a mk4 version but the upgrade where no more aveileble for the ones that had paid 12 k for the org one. That made the prices of the org millinium plummit and i lost alot of good money and never bourgt enything from them again. All in all i think linns way of doing it have made them alot of happy customers , so it must work since there are so many happy linn devoters -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
I did the same thing as you. I then learned that you cannot play DVD audio (DTS) without a DTS/AV encoder. Only AV receivers or TVs have them. Thus, you need to run interconnects from the analog outputs on the dvd player into the analog inputs on your tv. Then, run an optical cable from the tv to the optical input on the TP. Should work perfectly, did for me. If your dvd player is a universal player, your cureent setup should play cd audio. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Pat Farrell;264327 Wrote: harmonic wrote: Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote: IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek lp12 Se ? No, I was not talking about turntables. I was talking about electronics I would expect that a new, timewarp 1973 turntable would sound better than a 1973 turntable in 2007, since mechanical things get worse over time. Meridian sells upgrade modules to their controllers. Its hard to tell how much the upgrade ability adds to the cost, even if you never use it. The klimax chasing is the only thing that will not change. Upgrades will be factory upgrades and will only acure when a significaly improvment have been made. The linn klimax solos amplifires are unchanged since 1999. The linn klimax twin was upgraded in 2005 with a new amplifire designe the called chakra. We used to talk about upgrading cars that way. Some cars you could improve easily. Others you needed to 'jack up the radiator cap' and replace everything underneath. If you took my 1999 vintage firewall and replaced the motherboard, CPU and disk drives, is that an upgrade? or just an expensive and labor intensive way to get a new modern machine? -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ I dont understand your old computer metafor, your are completly overlooking the key contence of my posts. As stated many times by now , its ONLY the klimax chasing that will stay. Have long do you thing a solid aluminium chasing like the klimax ds will need before it deriates , 100.000.000 years ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic wrote: Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote: IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil. To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek lp12 Se ? No, I was not talking about turntables. I was talking about electronics I would expect that a new, timewarp 1973 turntable would sound better than a 1973 turntable in 2007, since mechanical things get worse over time. Meridian sells upgrade modules to their controllers. Its hard to tell how much the upgrade ability adds to the cost, even if you never use it. The klimax chasing is the only thing that will not change. Upgrades will be factory upgrades and will only acure when a significaly improvment have been made. The linn klimax solos amplifires are unchanged since 1999. The linn klimax twin was upgraded in 2005 with a new amplifire designe the called chakra. We used to talk about upgrading cars that way. Some cars you could improve easily. Others you needed to 'jack up the radiator cap' and replace everything underneath. If you took my 1999 vintage firewall and replaced the motherboard, CPU and disk drives, is that an upgrade? or just an expensive and labor intensive way to get a new modern machine? -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
As I said in the thread funkster is referring to, my system is not suitable for a fair test of the ANALOG outputs of the SB3 and SBR (because my receiver re-digitizes the analog signal). Someone with a high-quality 2-channel system will be better equipped to listen for nuances and differences. But my initial impression with both plugged into a more modest 2-channel system was that the SBR was slightly punchier and had a quieter background. I believe the lower voltages and lack of a display make the SBR sound slightly better than the SB3 via both the analog and digital outputs. Of course, I'm very interested in what others are hearing, but I realize that since there aren't many SBRs in customer hands, it will be a while before others can weigh in with their impressions. I do wonder about Sean's lack of input on this issue. Surely the guys at Slim did some careful listening tests when auditioning DACs for the new SBR. Probably he doesn't want to influence us or raise expectations too much by making any claims about sound quality. And, there's the inescapable fact that everyone's ears are different. Suffice it to say that for $149, the SBR is a fine-sounding playback device. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;264337 Wrote: As stated many times by now , its ONLY the klimax chasing that will stay. Have long do you think a solid aluminium chasing like the klimax ds will need before it deriates , 100.000.000 years ? Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on a squeezebox in a nice case. Have fun with that! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Oh no pleace dont hurt me : ) -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.
Andrew B.;264155 Wrote: I was assuming that was the case - and also discounting it as a special case (a rather biased endorsement). The reason for the high technical quality of the Linn and Naim recordings (I own several of each, not least since I am a former Naimee) is the recording techniques used and the lack of squashing compression applied to the master buss, so that the music still has proper dynamics. I don't think this has much to do with their choice of mastering speakers. Andrew I'm not disagreeing - commercially, you have to eat your own dogfood... But my point really was that if you can create well-balanced masters then the speakers are fundamentally OK. The sound on these CD's is not just to do with compression (they use plenty, especially on vocals!) or the agreed abscence of brick-wall limiting, but also the quality of the end-to-end recording chain. Anyway, Linn/Naim was just an example. Abbey Road has been all over BW for years and no-one complains about their masters - they are held in high esteem. I'm not a big fan of the BW sound by the way - except for the Nautilus which is just...wow! I could go into a lengthy discourse about how the best speakers to listen to any recording are the ones they were mastered on. That's what produced the sound we were intended to hear. Recovering more detail (for example) is fascinating but I don't want to hear Ringo's drum stool squeak, because I'm pretty sure if George Martin had heard it at the time he would have fixed it! I don't want to know about 3-d soundstaging because I can guarantee that no-one was trying to create it in the first place oh, and it isn't there anyway ;o), and i don't want to know about fantastic dynamics that would have been compressed or limited out had they been heard at the time. It's always interesting to hear artists/engineers opinions on systems when they listen to their own records on them. These people actually have a valid opinion on what things should sound like. We can only say what we prefer, not what is more accurate. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic wrote: I dont understand your old computer metafor, your are completly overlooking the key contence of my posts. As stated many times by now , its ONLY the klimax chasing that will stay. Have long do you thing a solid aluminium chasing like the klimax ds will need before it deriates , 100.000.000 years ? Electronics is electronics. Computers, amplifiers, DAC, squeezeboxen, are all electronics. They get better and cheaper. I don't see the value of paying megabucks for a fancy case that will outlive the electronics by decades. In several decades, I'll be dead and I won't care at all. You seem to be saying that the case that is perfect today will be prefect tomorrow and 30 years from now. After you've replaces all the guts several time. I don't believe it. YMMV -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Harmonic is back Let the beatings begin :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I'm in Zürich on vacation and was wondering if anyone could recommend some nice high-end shops to visit. (Unfortunately, my German is terrible) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42919 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
opaqueice;264354 Wrote: Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on a squeezebox in a nice case. Have fun with that! Hell no its to expensiv ; ) But the akurate DS maybe -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Phil Leigh wrote: my next system is going to be very very different. Might even be top-line Quads and a big valve amp...or maybe those active ATC's that Clive has... Quads and tubes are on my Lust speaker list, which belongs in the other thread. Drool Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Pat Farrell;264377 Wrote: Phil Leigh wrote: my next system is going to be very very different. Might even be top-line Quads and a big valve amp...or maybe those active ATC's that Clive has... Quads and tubes are on my Lust speaker list, which belongs in the other thread. Drool Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Just to avoid drool getting everywhere...this is only going to happen when I can't keep my current system going in the speaker/amp department...that could be another 10 years :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
Make sure your DVD outputs PCM signal to its digital output. Ususaly there's a setting for that in DVD digital audio menu - try looking for something like RAW vs. LPCM. Also, look for something called 'downmix' and make sure it's set to stereo. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
Pale Blue Ego;264349 Wrote: Surely the guys at Slim did some careful listening tests With multimeters and oscilloscopes. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 + HICAP NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I find Linn's upgrade policy a mixed blessing. I've used their gear for over 20 years so feel entitled to comment. Turntables - yes no issue (except for the outrageous cost - I couldn't afford it - the Lingo was the last straw). They have provided upgrades to the LP12 over the years and still do. You could still be running a 1973 original and it would still sound great. Speakers - Isobarik passive to active conversion, Barik enclosed stands all good. Ceramic bases for the 5xxx series - great. Electronics - mixed. New PSU's for Karik etc great. Bingo board in the Aktiv crossover - great. Dirak external PSU - great. 5103 DTS upgrade - superb. However, amps and pre-amps frequently fall out of support so that while they can be serviced, there is no upgrade path and one is faced with a new architecture, requiring a speaker+amp package (I'm talking active systems mostly here). Over the years I'd say I've saved money thanks to their upgrade paths, but at times I've been very annoyed - why can't I use my LK80/100/140/240 crossover cards in the new amps - that's expensive at about £1,000 for a new set of cards. On the other hand, their repair policy is very good. As they appear to have priced themselves out of my wallet, my next system is going to be very very different. Might even be top-line Quads and a big valve amp...or maybe those active ATC's that Clive has... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
With multimeters and oscilloscopes. I've commented here many times on the role of listening tests in developing our products. It is a very important skill and there are many things easily detected by ear that are harder to see in measurements. Both are important. That said, I am not going to give you my own detailed subjective analysis of Receiver vs SB3, with respect to danceability, boogie, etc. They both sound excellent to me, but if you are looking for that kind of commentary to guide your buying decisions, just wait a couple more weeks for the reviews to start coming in. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
slimkid;264381 Wrote: Make sure your DVD outputs PCM signal to its digital output. Ususaly there's a setting for that in DVD digital audio menu - try looking for something like RAW vs. LPCM. Also, look for something called 'downmix' and make sure it's set to stereo. K This is correct. Nearly all video devices have such a setting, although it goes by many different names. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
I have been going through the threads on this subject and am vague on the need for the Master Clock as it seems that it would be necessary only when the master clock is driving multiple devices. Does anyone use the Audio Synthesis DAX with their ASL Audio Synthesis Link, or ASL, which is a dual-ST glass optical interface. ASL removes S/PDIF's data induced jitter and rewrites the rules of data recovery and thus the possible analogue resolution available from digital sources. The the transport has to be modified by Audio Synthesis. Since the intergace is dual-ST glass, I do not know if it would work under the current version. However, is it something that will improve performance and, if so, a mod for consideration by Slim Devices. Thi -- vijayt vijayt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13222 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Quote Have long do you think a solid aluminium chasing like the klimax ds will need before it deriates , 100.000.000 years ? /Quote No, I think the DS chassis will not survive more than 6000 years, and at that point in time people will be wondering what the heck it is :-)) -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
B.T.W. The DS is obviously so nice and flexible and future proof And of course, as previously stated, the DS may be used with anything in the world.. How do you go on utilizing it if you've got a Basic Lyngdorf TDAI 2000 or a Tact Millennium, that only got digital inputs? Any reasonable player in the world above $200 has got provisions for such a connection. (Or at least should have) -H -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264411 Wrote: B.T.W. The DS is obviously so nice and flexible and future proof And of course, as previously stated, the DS may be used with anything in the world.. How do you go on utilizing it if you've got a Basic Lyngdorf TDAI 2000 or a Tact Millennium, that only got digital inputs? Any reasonable player in the world above $200 has got provisions for such a connection. (Or at least should have) -H Upgrade the TACT to have analogue inputs...or (you know what I'm going to say next) :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
My DVD player is set to PCM, and i don`t get any sound from the digital satteltebox either. Is it possible to connect digital sources to the Transportes digatal inputs and then connect the Transporters digital output RCA coax to my CD players input? The reason why i want to do this is that my CD player has a very good DAC and volumecontrol. Is it possible to use both the digital input and output at the same time? Bojo -- bojo bojo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Phil Leigh;264371 Wrote: Turntables - yes no issue (except for the outrageous cost - I couldn't afford it - the Lingo was the last straw). Agreed. I started with a pre-Nirvana model in 1979, and the last update I got was the Lingo, which improved the bass of the LP12 quite noticably - most of the Linn bloom was gone, and is replaced by a much tighter bottom end. I haven't bothered with the Trampolinn or Cirkus or anything since. Did you actually get the Lingo, or was it the first upgrade you passed on? Phil Leigh;264371 Wrote: As they appear to have priced themselves out of my wallet, my next system is going to be very very different. Might even be top-line Quads and a big valve amp...or maybe those active ATC's that Clive has... My ATCs replaced a pair of passive Isobariks and Naim 135s, and I've been delighted with them ever since. The ATCs simply annihilated the 'Bariks. I've still got the LP12 and Naim preamp - they are used for vinyl transfers. You mentioned that Linn's service costs are reasonable. So are ATC's: the triamp packs in my SCM100As were fully serviced a couple of years ago (including replacement of all electrolytics) at the ATC factory for a total cost of £150. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
Cool. If I understand correctly, if I select PCM (LPCM) on my dvd player, I can play the dvd audio directly from the digital outs on the dvd player to the digital ins on the TP? And, thus, I don't need to go through the tv? -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264411 Wrote: B.T.W. The DS is obviously so nice and flexible and future proof And of course, as previously stated, the DS may be used with anything in the world.. How do you go on utilizing it if you've got a Basic Lyngdorf TDAI 2000 or a Tact Millennium, that only got digital inputs? Any reasonable player in the world above $200 has got provisions for such a connection. (Or at least should have) -H Well issent that quit obvious. Why on earth would you pay 20 k for a analog source and then use only the transport mecanisem wich can be bourgt for 50 usd? I know many people use better dacs with the cheap squeesbox in persuit of better sound but as i see it thats the wrong way. Better have it all in one box where all the data and analog conversions are syncronised. The klimax ds is ment as a uncompromised product where cost and development time was unlimited. You can not better that with outside componets that then have to syncroniced with the DS making the system more sensitiv to jitter , noise and timing distorsions . to better the units sound is what i stated about the future upgrades ,improve the design itself inside the unit. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
bojo;264416 Wrote: Is it possible to connect digital sources to the Transportes digatal inputs and then connect the Transporters digital output RCA coax to my CD players input? Ah, I missed that part of your question. No, you can not pass through like that. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I'll end my ridiculous questions... In a setup with, say a Linn Klimax Control the DS will be absolutely superb and possibly just as close to the best you can get at any price But that's also possible at very much lower price tags. But then again, nobody would ask stupid questions to anyone buying a Bugatti. As long as you're buying a product and you know what you're getting that's fine, just don't ask me to embrace the DS :-D For instance, Has anyone compared the DS to another type of transport + Bel Canto e.One Pre3? -H -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.
I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about Electrocompaniet Nemo. The reasoning behind this, from me, is that I reckon it's not possible to get the full benefit of the larger BW without powerhouse amplifiers. When I auditioned the 802D they were driven by quite expensive / large Classe poweramps, and they were just not able to make the speakers come alive. If you're auditioning speakers, perhaps you should also bring your own amplifier, if possible. It's a significant factor in the equation I bought speakers 15 years ago realizing afterwards that I didn't have the amplifiers to run them properly, that's not much fun. Some reviewers actually use Large Krell amps (like FPB-600cx) when reviewing $1500 BW speakers. No one would use such a setup in the real world An example: the Quattro Wood, will obviously be much easier on the amps because it's got a powered subwoofer and a passive high-pass filter in the signal path before the power amplifier. This makes a significant difference. Regards -H -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
seanadams;264395 Wrote: I've commented here many times on the role of listening tests in developing our products. It is a very important skill and there are many things easily detected by ear that are harder to see in measurements. Both are important. That said, I am not going to give you my own detailed subjective analysis of Receiver vs SB3, with respect to danceability, boogie, etc. They both sound excellent to me, but if you are looking for that kind of commentary to guide your buying decisions, just wait a couple more weeks for the reviews to start coming in. Seanwhy not? I'm not being a smart ass ;) I am more than interested in your opinion but I do understand how it might not be politically or business correct to offer it. The wonderful thing about the SB3 and all the SD products is that they are very much audiophile grade so these things do matter a lot. I am still, one year later, astonished by the sound from my unmodified SB3. Which is why I am going to be purchasing a Transporter very soon. I also need another unit for a 3rd room and wondered how the two smaller units stack up against each other. But hopefully you will still be offering your 30 day guarantee on the Duet so I can do a comparison myself. Anyway...a very big mahalo for all the countless hours of music pleasure you and all at SD have given us. -- mauidj Oracle Delphi/SME IV/Dynavector, SB3, Krell EVO-555, Krell EVO-202, Krell EVO-402, BW 801-Matrix3. Music all the way! mauidj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
cliveb;264417 Wrote: Agreed. I started with a pre-Nirvana model in 1979, and the last update I got was the Lingo, which improved the bass of the LP12 quite noticably - most of the Linn bloom was gone, and is replaced by a much tighter bottom end. I haven't bothered with the Trampolinn or Cirkus or anything since. Did you actually get the Lingo, or was it the first upgrade you passed on? My ATCs replaced a pair of passive Isobariks and Naim 135s, and I've been delighted with them ever since. The ATCs simply annihilated the 'Bariks. I've still got the LP12 and Naim preamp - they are used for vinyl transfers. You mentioned that Linn's service costs are reasonable. So are ATC's: the triamp packs in my SCM100As were fully serviced a couple of years ago (including replacement of all electrolytics) at the ATC factory for a total cost of £150. Clive - that's good to know re ATC service costs. The Lingo was where I gave up with the LP12. I kept it for many years and did some nice needle-drops with it. I just felt that - when you you look at the Valhalla board and then the lingo the relative component cost was similar - but the Lingo was in a Linn case and so that adds hundreds to the price. If they had done a lingo replacement for the Valhalla...which they could easily have done...I'd have been happy. I'm not surprised that the ATC destroyed the passive Bariks. However, Aktiv Bariks destroyed everything in their day and really were awesome IMHO. In some ways (ie their bass performance) I still miss them. When I need to change it will be a shootout between active ATC's and a Sugden Masterclass Integrated (or Audio Research VSi55) driving Quad 2905's. Cheers Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BW 802D Speakers. Tempted.
haraldo;26 Wrote: I reckon it's difficult to discuss such speakers without bringing the power amplifiers into the loop. Does anybody know which amps the famous UK studios are using? I have read that some studios are using very expensive Chord Poweramps, while I have also heard about Electrocompaniet Nemo. The reasoning behind this, from me, is that I reckon it's not possible to get the full benefit of the larger BW without powerhouse amplifiers. When I auditioned the 802D they were driven by quite expensive / large Classe poweramps, and they were just not able to make the speakers come alive. If you're auditioning speakers, perhaps you should also bring your own amplifier, if possible. It's a significant factor in the equation I bought speakers 15 years ago realizing afterwards that I didn't have the amplifiers to run them properly, that's not much fun. Some reviewers actually use Large Krell amps (like FPB-600cx) when reviewing $1500 BW speakers. No one would use such a setup in the real world An example: the Quattro Wood, will obviously be much easier on the amps because it's got a powered subwoofer and a passive high-pass filter in the signal path before the power amplifier. This makes a significant difference. Regards -H Harald I agree - big BW's need lots...LOTS of power to drive them properly. Abbey Road uses Classe amps (nice!). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
So the solution for me is to buy a separate preamplifier? Bojo -- bojo bojo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter digital connections
bojo;264483 Wrote: So the solution for me is to buy a separate preamplifier? Bojo or use transporter as your DAC - that's the purpose of its digital inputs -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] firmware update for TP
I've tried this method for updating my TPs firmware but it doesn't seem to work. When I press and hold the brightness button my TP keeps telling me it can't connect to the internet, then it acts like it's installing new firmware and shuts down for about 20 seconds or so, starts back up, but when I check the firmware version it still says 31. Any thoughts? Thanks, Joe -- joeriz Transporter DIYtube ST-35 amp JM Reynaud Arpeggione Signature speakers joeriz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12621 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 VS the Transporter
Caad;263879 Wrote: To CardinalFang.. To SeanAdams: ...This last mod with seperating the signal GND from the PCB GND was really an improvment!! ...The problem must be that output Signal Gnd of the opamp passes the PCB GND that contains Digital GND, Pwr gnd. Maybe the Slimdevice will improve the PCB layout in a future revision? This is interesting. Sean, what please are your initial thoughts about separating these grounds - do you think this idea has potential? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42840 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] asking for the moon
NewBuyer wrote: This is interesting. Sean, what please are your initial thoughts about separating these grounds - do you think this idea has potential? I'm not Sean. But I'd be stunned if he responded to this. He's a professional and successful engineer. Making 'improvements' to a production component is not a trivial process or effort. In most companies, a senior engineer would never comment in public about any of this stuff. That Sean does at all is wonderful. And its one of the reasons I love SlimDevices and all my SqueezeBoxen stuff. But be serious. He can't address all this stuff. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] firmware update for TP
Did you try restarting the server / service? -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 VS the Transporter
Pat Farrell;264553 Wrote: NewBuyer wrote: This is interesting. Sean, what please are your initial thoughts about separating these grounds - do you think this idea has potential? ...I'd be stunned if he responded to this... In most companies, a senior engineer would never comment... That Sean does at all is wonderful... He can't address all this stuff...[/url] This is just one specific idea (and a rather interesting one at least to me) - it is certainly not ALL this stuff. Sean has commented many times in the past, on lesser things than this question - mostly because people didn't feel intimidated against at least asking in the forum. Perhaps he will stun you again here Pat! :) Anyway, I thought the potential part was amusing... -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42840 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
