Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
ralphpnj wrote: > I suppose that one could just compare the measured dynamic range (via > the foobar plugin or an equivalent) of a 24bit/44.1kHz audio file and > the same audio in a 16bit/44.1kHz file. if the dynamic ranges are the > same (which they absolutely should be) then a 24bit file is just > marketing BS. That is pretty much what I have done. Of course the dynamic ranges aren't always the same - I have come across a few examples where the 24-bit version has *less* dynamic range (clearly a newer "master" - or compressed to make the 24-bit version sound louder and thus "better"). "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
The Art of (making a lot of money from) Noise LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV > - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs > - Built-in but bypassable room correction That's a great idea Pablolie. I would also suggest the idea of LMS supporting MULTICHANNEL to stream through that HDMI interface :-). And make that room correction DSP powerful enough to handle the multichannel data in 24/96! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
jfo wrote: > It seems that the industry still hasn't come with a meaningful standard > definition of Hi Res, so we will continue to see marketing hype for so > called Hi Res material. Dr Mark Waldrep sums up the industry approach > nicely in an excerpt from his post CES blog > > "There seems to be a collective effort to market hi-res music without > any regard to whether it makes any difference. Theyre all chasing the > wrong end of the music fidelity beast. Instead of putting on slick > presentations in expensive booths, or assembling a panel of so-called > industry experts, they should start by creating recordings that actually > possess better fidelity than were currently getting. Theyve defined > all music ever created as hi-res if its delivered to you in a > high-resolution digital container. I was unimpressed." Yup. All of this is pretty well nonsense (as 'discussed recently in a blog post' (http://archimago.blogspot.com/2017/01/musings-on-ongoing-push-for-hi-res-and.html)). The industry needs to be seen as doing something different and new to sell yet another "version" of the same thing. Most of these 24/44 releases are totally ridiculous dynamic range compressed http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
It seems that the industry still hasn't come with a meaningful standard definition of Hi Res, so we will continue to see marketing hype for so called Hi Res material. Dr Mark Waldrep sums up the industry approach nicely in an excerpt from his post CES blog "There seems to be a collective effort to market hi-res music without any regard to whether it makes any difference. Theyre all chasing the wrong end of the music fidelity beast. Instead of putting on slick presentations in expensive booths, or assembling a panel of so-called industry experts, they should start by creating recordings that actually possess better fidelity than were currently getting. Theyve defined all music ever created as hi-res if its delivered to you in a high-resolution digital container. I was unimpressed." jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
This falls in the "heavy sigh" category for me. The vast majority of recordings, even classical, get nowhere near to using the full dynamic range of the 16/44.1 format as it is, which is already a good 30 dB better than what the highly vaunted vinyl LP is capable of. Well recorded CDs are pretty wonderful in my book. The music industry needs to work harder on making more of those rather than spending their time promoting another storage format. Nothing more than my opinion, though. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in but bypassable room correction ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Apesbrain wrote: > "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and > meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent > $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW > measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in each > room using SoX and custom-convert.conf. Whole thing took me under an > hour per room. I did listen to a friend's corrected room. I had been there before, and the huge glass surfaces overlooking a very scenic view were not gentle on the presentation. Despite a huge expense, it was tinny and indistinct and ethereally placed. He knew it. He introduction room correction, and the Bill Evans Trio was resurrected... His space is huge and glassy and challenging. I think my room is very optimal, plus I am single and no one can dictate my placement choices :) hence when I experimented, I heard some improvements but also felt staging and layering collapsed, even though some bass became more accurate. I went back and forth and kept the uncorrected, yet diligently placed option. I have no doubt room correction is the one single thing that is imminent in my audio future. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Interesting discussion about Roon. I've thought about getting that at times for the simple reason of the expanded database and info. It would be interesting to know more about the recording and artists, but I'm so-so about the trivia aspect of music info, as in the drummer on this album played on another album and that saxophonist got sick during another recording in 1962 and threw up. For the most part, I'm content to hear the music that is being played at the moment. This seems like a good moment to make a reading reommendation. My son put me on to a book by Lace Clayton (AKA DJ Rupture) called "Uproot -- Travels in the 21st Century Music and Digital Culture". While I have a limited appreciation of much the the music under discussion, it is a fascinating insight into everything from MP3s, Autotune and FruityLoop software to Congolese and Berber music from Africa, Cumbia Sonidara and pre-Hispanic Tribal music from Mexico and so on, along with some interesting comments on the business aspects of the music industry. Can't say I'll keep it as a re-read or reference book, but was certainly an interesting read. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My limited experience with room correction is comprised of the Audessy DSP in my Marantz HTR. it came with a microphone and a cardboard stand which a set up in the primary listening position and ran the set up. Based on how much better the surround sound sounds compared with the older Marantz that the new one replaced, I would say microphone based set up with a DSP is the way to go. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > Room correction. I have experimented with it. Not yet sold on existing > solutions. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I lucked out with my current > room. But I am sure it'll get there and make a huge difference. mlsstl wrote: > I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things > much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly > lucky to already have decent acoustics. "Correcting" my two listening rooms is the most interesting and meaningful thing I've recently done with my Squeezebox system. I spent $75 for a UMIK-1 calibrated microphone and downloaded the free REW measurement suite. Implemented 3-4 parametric equalizer filters in each room using SoX and custom-convert.conf. Whole thing took me under an hour per room. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV - Dual Digital and optical outputs with configurable frequency cutoffs - Built-in but bypassable room correction ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
On the integration front I can see the benefit of Roon but I'd only ever want it via an iPad app - preferably built in to iPeng - I don't want to have to have a PC on to access the data. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI > on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. > I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or > composer appears on, other artists that have done the same song, etc. > Too much to list. And all accessible by clicks. I learn cool stuff. For > example, I'm playing the first YES album from 1969, and then it is > showing me that the track "I see You" was composed by Crosby and McGuinn > and also appears in my library on the Byrds Box set from 1998 (and if I > click on this, it takes me to play that track on the Byrds album). > None of this is critical to my listening, but the showing of all the > various connections in my library is kinda cool. Gary i have a few quick questions about Roon: 1) How long does Roon take to scan one's music library as compared to LMS? 2) How much larger is Roon's database as compared to LMS? and 3) How responsive is Roon as compared to LMS? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
Wombat wrote: > The 24/44.1 recordings i analysed lately with a typical DR8 or lower use > maybe 12-14bit for music the rest is noise. The usable resolution above > the noisefloor does not change even when they sell you 32bit. Julf wrote: > It is indeed high resolution - noise. And no, it doesn't matter - you > won't hear a difference, at least not blind. > > I keep asking for examples of commercial recordings with a dynamic range > exceeding 16 bits, and I still haven't found one. I suppose that one could just compare the measured dynamic range (via the foobar plugin or an equivalent) of a 24bit/44.1kHz audio file and the same audio in a 16bit/44.1kHz file. if the dynamic ranges are the same (which they absolutely should be) then a 24bit file is just marketing BS. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
It is indeed high resolution - noise. And no, it doesn't matter - you won't hear a difference, at least not blind. I keep asking for examples of commercial recordings with a dynamic range exceeding 16 bits, and I still haven't found one. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I knew there'd be great replies here. I can't agree more about keeping relying on Amazon, iTunes or Spotify as guardians of my music collection. I have bought video on Amazon outright, only to see it disappear when the studio and Amazon have a spat - often permanently. And did Amazon notify me or reimburse me? Of course not. Active speakers - indeed. Perfect matching is the key... That's one thing I like about Hypex modules - they provide tight control over a wide range of loudspeakers. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
garym wrote: > For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the > basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all > sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of > capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the > idea. And you can click on anything (the bass player for example) and > it will take me to a list of tracks/albums that that person is also > associated with. You can get lost for hours on this stuff! > That is VERY cool. That is a major thing I miss with my library. I spent many hours scanning the album notes so I had as much info as possible, but of course picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS - it'd be awesome to be able to get the notes along the active playlist... ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
For example, if I click on the "Miles Ahead" album, it pulls up the basic info and tracks, etc. Then I click on credits and it gives me all sorts of info on who played, etc. My pics don't do a good job of capturing the actual interface, which is full screen, but you get the idea. And you can click on anything (the bass player for example) and it will take me to a list of tracks/albums that that person is also associated with. You can get lost for hours on this stuff! 22079 22080 +---+ |Filename: CropperCapture[2].jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22080| +---+ *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > > The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within > a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when > listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to > quickly access all of the this information and fully explore the related > music. Think hyperlinks but in a musically relevant kind of way. For > example when listening to a Miles Davis track, one will easily be able > to explore music by any of the musicians playing on the track along with > other music from the same time period, all via a few simple clicks. This is one of the nice things about Roon (that I've trialed). The UI on an album or song has a tremendous amount of info at your fingertips. I see the atist, composer, etc. It shows me other albums the artist or composer appears on, other artists that have done the same song, etc. Too much to list. And all accessible by clicks. I learn cool stuff. For example, I'm playing the first YES album from 1969, and then it is showing me that the track "I see You" was composed by Crosby and McGuinn and also appears in my library on the Byrds Box set from 1998 (and if I click on this, it takes me to play that track on the Byrds album). None of this is critical to my listening, but the showing of all the various connections in my library is kinda cool. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My two cents: binaural recording or similar techniques for audio and video. Not room correction, but "bubbles of sound" or similar immersive systems. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Current setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > Pro-Ject DAC Box E > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), 2 *Radios* (guest bathroom and garden deck), *RPi3 + LibreELEC + XSqueeze* > Samsung TV > NAD L53 > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Touch* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
The 24/44.1 recordings i analysed lately with a typical DR8 or lower use maybe 12-14bit for music the rest is noise. The usable resolution above the noisefloor does not change even when they sell you 32bit. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is 24bit/44.1kHz high resolution or marketing BS?
Lately I've been seeing quite a bit of 24bit/44.1kHz recordings (aka files) being promoted as high resolution audio. Since going from 16bit/44.1kHz to 24bit/44.1kHz would only change the AVAILABLE dynamic range of a given recording, as opposed to actually increasing or even changing the dynamic range of the music on the recording, should 24bit/44.1kHz really be considered "high resolution" audio or plain old marketing? And more importantly, would or could a 24bit/44.1kHz file sound any different from a 16bit/44.1kHz file of the same recording? Any thoughts? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
My two cents: Room correction and DSP along with "one box" powered speakers will slowly become the norm. Internet based music streaming will soon become the disaster that internet based video streaming has become. The simple reason for this is that all the big content providers HATE streaming and are actively doing their best to destroy streaming. See mlsstl's comments about Netflix below. Therefore I will continue to maintain my own personal music library. Thanks to apps like iPeng, along with remote streaming, I can stream my personal music collection without the restrictions and limitations imposed by paid music streaming services. Thanks to bluetooth, which is NOT high resolution but still sound great to the average listener, high resolution audio will die a swift and painful death. And it can't happen soon enough! As stated above, the use of powered "one box" speakers will continue to grow and along with improved DSP this will become the high end audio of the future. The integration of various kinds of information about a recording within a music app will continue to improve so that in the future when listening to a given piece of music one will , hopefully, be able to quickly access all of the this information and fully explore the related music. Think hyperlinks but in a musically relevant kind of way. For example when listening to a Miles Davis track, one will easily be able to explore music by any of the musicians playing on the track along with other music from the same time period, all via a few simple clicks. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Interesting topic. Hard to see the future, but I don't see things changing much for me. 1. I've tried digital room correction and it didn't really change things much or really seem worth the effort. Maybe I'm like you and am fairly lucky to already have decent acoustics. 2. Music library -- I like streaming for background music, but for whatever reason, when I'm listening seriously, I use my own collection. I only listen seriously when I'm at home. I only ever listen casually when I'm in the car or out and about. I'm sure streaming to phones and car systems will continue to improve, but doubt that there is any revolution waiting for me in that. Plus, I have a basic distrust of streaming and leaving others responsible for my collection. As a long time Netflix user, I can't tell you how many movies and shows that I like have disappeared due to copyright and contract negotiation issues. They are simply unreliable in that regard and I don't see that ever really changing as long as royalties drive the commercial music world. 3. I see no looming change in audio quality. The driving factor there has always been fad and fashion in the recording industry. That has always far outweighed the potential of the medium, IMO. 4. I'm sure speakers will continue to improve, but the ones I have right now are great for my listening. And, if the currently available industry products are any indication, pomp and pretense will continue to be more important than actual sound quality. 5. I'm pretty happy with my Squeezebox and tablet interface. I easily find the music I like when I want something. I can see interfaces getting prettier, and the background maintenance a bit more idiot-proof with time, but I'm pretty happy right now. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Got into a good discussion and fellow music lover over a bottle of Pinot Noir last night, and we talked about how our music listening experiences had changed... and what might happen down the road... Personally - the biggest change to my music listening *ever* was due to the SB product line a bit over 11 or 12 years ago. I went from CD jockey to exclusively listening to digitized music within the time it took me to rip my extensive CD library (it took 2 years, with some mistakes along the way due to wrong assumptions). Initially, I thought I'd use the SB for convenience, but that for my more in-depth listening CDs were irreplaceable because I imagined they'd "sound better"... don't ask me why, old habits are initially hard to break. Looking forward... I imagine a few things may change the way I listen to music... (1) Room correction. I have experimented with it. Not yet sold on existing solutions. Call me old fashioned. Maybe I lucked out with my current room. But I am sure it'll get there and make a huge difference. (2) Music library... main location on one's mobile device. It's kinda striking to see that storage capacity on mobile device has kinda plateau'd around the "magic" 32, 64 and 128 GB options for a few years... probably with the prevalence of 4k video the need for more will finally force mobile device designers to up the ante, and *that* is when people like some of us *could* possibly consider migrating our entire music collection (mine is around 480GB). I know, I know... "But Pablo, your entire collection will reside in the cloud! Companies are migrating to cloud strategies, so it should be good enough for you!". Well, companies have long term storage strategies that make sure a cloud accident can't obliterate their data, and I haven't seen those make it to consumer level media storage yet. Is it a business niche someone should exploit? Probably a disappearing niche. Those of us with music libraries are probably a species in the process of extinction. 99.999% of people will never discover a music universe outside of Spotify. (3) Audio quality breakthrough with UltraHD, 16x times CD quality bla bla: In 10 years I'll still have 2 ears that will still have been shaped by a few million years of human evolution, and I doubt they'll get any better. Naw. But I betcha the usual suspects will try to sell us the stuff. :-D (4) Improvements in electronics and loudspeaker design: Marginal and diminishing returns, as it has been for many years. Same for more exotic material (Shazanium-coated ultra-audial tweeters etc). (5) A better UI for music apps. Please. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
