Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Phil Leigh;571614 Wrote: Heisenberg was talking about the Quantum level - where all bets are basically off! Some people are more uncertain than others. Phil Leigh;571614 Wrote: We are a long way from that in this discussion. In an audiophile discussion, you are never far from someone's invoking the Uncertainty Principle. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I am torn...
pfarrell;489589 Wrote: empty99 wrote: It used to take a fair amount of money to get a good quality ADC, but now there are lots of them. Do you have some suggestions for combination ADC / DAC devices for $ 200 or less? (PCI or USB devices) I want to use this device for measurements as well as listening so the ADC matters. (I'm interested in a low s/n level and good driver s/w for a Win XP environment.) Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71841 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SPDIF is evil
I think it's a shame that everyone seems content to speculate about jitter while so few people actually test it. Sean, I think you just described the problem with most the high-end audio industry. Not just jitter measurements but every aspect of audio performance. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71464 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A golden oldie
The once famous Sean Adams audiophile response form. Classics like this should not be lost. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150highlight=ears I recall that this post came after a period of months when clueless but assertive golden eared audiophiles were trying Sean's patience and providing material for the post near the beginning of the thread. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65760 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody have experience with passive preamps?
duke43j;426351 Wrote: Does anybody have experience using one in their system? I've been using a PS Audio 4.6 in passive mode for about 20 years. I'm happy with it. Soon I'll move to using a single input stereo volume control with balanced input and output cables. The issue of volume controls sounds better at high settings applies to active preamps too. Passive = higher setting = better, other things being equal. You cited impedences as a concern. That is a practical issue to deal with. Trace routing and grounding in the passive preamp can matter too. Quality of the volume pot. matters. Beyond that, there are all the fairy land audiophiles issues. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63739 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Blind Testing Controversy
CatBus;411236 Wrote: Bad example, you're right. String theory. Many Freudian/Jungian theories. Both at least started out as making up stuff that works out the way we like, and can't be tested. I understand string theory is on the cusp of being testable so I may retract that half. Admittedly I'm no big fan of either. But in their favor, they sure inspired some good science by others, even if they were suspect in their own right. The proponents of string theory were not subjectivists dreaming up something that other scientists dismissed. They were serious physicists working within the community of science and accepted as valid scientists by other physicists. All sorts of physicists have been working to find a grand unification theory relating gravity, the strong force and the weak force. Theorists propose a new theory that agrees with known experimental results AND predicts new experimental results. Experimentalists then perform experiments that can confirm the new predictions or not. I'll hold my tongue on Freud. CatBus;411236 Wrote: Honestly I think that's the best thing about subjectivists in my opinion. They ask the crazy off-the-wall questions that get things moving in a whole new direction. When it comes to providing answers, they're not so good, unfortunately. The point is that they don't try to verify what they claim. -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Blind Testing Controversy
pfarrell;411268 Wrote: honestguv wrote: How does somebody voice a cable - what do they change to achieve the desired sound? How do you know for a fact that your cables were voiced? Obviously, all cables that cost more than $200 meter are voiced. Intuitively obvious to the most naive observer. I paid far less for my cables so they only hum. bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Blind Testing Controversy
CatBus;411101 Wrote: There is a pigeon in my back yard. I can prove that, even to hardcore pigeon deniers. However, I cannot convince hardcore pigeon believers that there ISN'T a pigeon in my yard. An image of a pigeon in your back yard would be evidence. A dead pigeon you collected in your back yard would be evidence. Even pigeon droppings from your back yard would be evidence. We don't even see the equivalent of pigeon drooppings in most audio discussions. Many subjectivists take hearing a difference in an uncontrolled situation to be proof. I think many objectivists would regard hearing a difference as generating a hypothesis that needs to be tested before it is accepted. CatBus;411101 Wrote: Applying reasonable doubt to science would have killed Quantum Mechanics, among other things. In fact science produced the theory of Quantum Mechanics in response to experiments and theoretical issues. So what great advances has subjectivist thinking produced? CatBus;411101 Wrote: It's a terminology/responsibility thing. When someone says they can hear a 30KHz tone, it's not really anybody else's job to prove they can't. It's THEIR job to prove they can. And that's easily doable, assuming they really can. You claim to hear a difference that seems improbable, you provide some convincing evidence. That is the essential problem with the subjectivist approach. It doesn't produce valid experiments and quantitative measurements to validate what subjectivists hear. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
Some time ago I noticed a theme in some audiophile posts. My wife uses iTunes to fill her iPod. I don't use a computer for music at all. so I posted survey questions on the audioAsylum digital drive forum asking 1) if audiophiles used a computer to play music and 2) did any family member use a computer to play music or sync an iPod. Several people answered that they didn't use a computer for music playback but their wife did. Given the usual picture of high-end audio as a guy thing that wives and girlfriends ignored, I found this opposite theme to be amusing. I think that new functionality is leading to wide adoption of iTunes/iPod or the equivalent by a non-audiophile public. Some audiophiles are so narrowly focussed on better sound that they don't see the point. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Luddites, er I mean audiophiles
ralphpnj;409768 Wrote: So I guess the light we're talking about is the light of progress. If you had expressed the same amount of enthusiasm for something like set amplifiers as the only way to go, it would not have produced the wave of defensive posts. I've seen lots of threads like that on the audioasylum digital drive forum. Some posters express their personal reasons for not taking the plunge as universals that prove that this new stuff is not a sensible choice for anyone. Refuting their arguments just makes them dig in their heels. Hard to admit that the world is passing you by. Your wife is going modern and your kids have been with it since they could walk. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61715 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attention Audio Mythbusters!
Phil, I'm sure you are learning things about what's relevant to you in the context of your system. Of course, this sort of thing can spoil a pair of golden ears. I'm enjoying reading this thread and hope you will continue to report your findings. I don't have a problem with your titling the thread Attention Audio MythBusters. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60041 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] powered monitor recommendations
pablolie;367315 Wrote: A few weeks ago someone got these http://www.usheraudiousa.com/products/loudspeakers/usher-series/s-520-shielded They don't seem to be active monitors (amps inside). Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55895 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] powered monitor recommendations
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 I listen to A5s in my home office for several hours most days. They aren't perfect but they are very enjoyable. Tone quality seems quite natural to me. The rerar port and the auto-sensing power on/off are the two things you have to accept. I think you need to calibrate yourself. Are you looking for a big step up in sound quality from the Swans you had? There are lots of powered monitors sold through Pro Audio retailers like sweetwater.com, zzsounds.com and djdeals.com. You might be able to find a pro-audio store near you too. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55895 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
Since this thread is not specific to a particular price level, I'll add something at the high-end. ATC has been making powered speakers for a long time. Not cheap. They are known for their dome mid-range driver. Low distortion, high power handling without compression. bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] non-audiophile audio enthusiast?
non-audiophile audio enthusiast? Too poor to buy stuff he can brag about on this forum. bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
bhaagensen;356189 Wrote: The point is that it is a piece of cake to find much better stuff at the same price. ... It took me 5 min. to find the following. A pair of Dali 450 (which are excelent, I have owned a pair), here listed at ~86USD http://www.dba.dk/asp/soegning/detail.asp?annonceid=57302491 .. This is orders of magnitutes better than the A5's, there is no discussing that. Edit: OK so these are big floorstandres, but you can easily find bookshelf format speakers and also a physically smaller amp. We touched a nerve for bhaagensen. We seemed to have blasphemed by using the word audiophile in vain. A pair of big floorstanders for $ 86 is not likely to have rigid cabinets free of audible resonances. If your budget is quite limited, stick with physically small speakers; it is much easier to get an acceptably rigid cabinet when the walls are not large in size. The A5s have very well built cabinets. When you rap them with your knuckles, you don't hear ringing or any flexing in the side walls of the cabinet. That is the sort of thing you pay real money to get in stand mounted monitors. I have 3-way speakers with active crossovers and 6 channels of amplification in my library. They are clearly better than the A5s in most respects but the A5s are still very enjoyable to listen to. ShutterShock, if you like what the A2s provide, you should find the A5s to be even better. If on the other hand, you found the A2s fatally lacking in clarity, imaging, centering, precision, frequency response, tightness in bass etc., then you should definitely consider bhaagensen's $ 86 audiophile speakers. There can be no discussion. If you are willing to spend $ 600 or $ 1000 on speaker + amp (together or separately), you can probably do better than A5s. But not every combination in that price range will be better. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
bhaagensen;356231 Wrote: That's a flawed argument. Yes, if they do shake and rattle they're probably pretty bad. However the opposite case does not give any guarentees about the sound. Of course the manufacturers are aware of this pseudo argument and can easily build cabinents which are sturdy and passes the knuckle test; even I can (almost) do that. Your logic is what's flawed. You don't seem to understand the difference between a necessary condition and a sufficient condition. I described one aspect of a speaker' design where the A5s were well done. I did not make a statement that that was the only measure of a good speaker. You never want a cabinet to produce sound separate from what the drivers and ports produce. Making rigid cabinets is the usual way to minimize colorations from cabinets. Minimizing colorations is a necessary condition if you want stuff like clarity, imaging, centering, precision, freqnency response, tightness in bass. Your essential point about the dali speakers and a NAD amp seems to be that you can buy used components for less than they cost new and get more value. A valid point. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
I use in my home office driven by a good quality PCI audio card. I mostly listen in the near field (3' away from the speakers.) I sometimes listen from farther away or from the next room. I think they are very enjoyable and a great bargain. Some suggestions: - A5s have a rear port. They need to be at least 4 away from the wall behind them. (More distance might be better. Right now, placing mine 4 from the rear wall is convenient.) Bass will be too heavy and boomy if they are too close to the rear wall. - The left A5 has a volume control on the front and the on-off switch on the back. It is convenient to leave the A5s on and to control volume with the knob on the left A5. - A5s have auto-sensing to let them go into a low power mode after they have been idle for a few minutes. The auto-sensing works better if the input level is high. So set the volume in the source to a high level and use the A5 volume control to reduce the level. - The auto-sensing doesn't work instantly. A fraction of a second of music is not audible when the A5s wait up after being in low-power mode. If this is a show-stopper for you, the A5s may not be the right choice. - Like most speakers, the A5s frequency response varies depending on your position relative to the tweeter axis. be prepared to place them higher or lower to get best results. (or tilt them.) Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
GuyDebord, you are a fine one to accuse anyone else of resorting to insults. You have done it several times i this thread. It all sound the same right ? even if there issent even a singel component that is the same , and a completly different and much higer spec dac and completly different layout designed by the leader source product company where there klimax design team had unlimited founds and time for the development.. Hey wassent it you that said that the squeesbox proberly sounded beter with the display of ?. The klimax have a much smaller display so it must sound a just littel bit better (according to you) These clearly aren't typos. And it isn't because Mr. harmonic can't write a English sentence when he wants to. Note his last post. Mr. Harmonic chose to write mangled English in the post I cited. He ignores logic and just makes things up. he certainly has no problem with attacking other people. -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
I've followed this thread with amusement at first. The coathanger comparison was absurd and just funny. No need to take it as an attack on anyone's world view. I'm not amused at the continuing personal attacks on O. GuyDebord, you continue to make personal attacks. You seem unable to tolerate anyone's having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours. You may want this forum to be a playpen for subjectivists undisturbed by even one cold eyed objectivist. Get over it! Harmonic, don't invent things, attribute them to other people and then attack them on that basis. (The klimax have a much smaller display so it must sound a just littel bit better (according to you)) Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $1k Speakers
Pat Farrell;277039 Wrote: JSonnabend wrote:[color=blue] Now $1000 a pair is the sweet spot in the market, there are tons of products there, many very good, perhaps even great the way few audiophile could imagine 20 years ago. Pat, how about listing some of those very good $ 1000 speakers. I think that would be a public service. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44420 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $1k Speakers
Practical recommendations always appreciated. -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44420 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
harmonic;277082 Wrote: Well when a person in the hifi comunity comes out and tells his personal oppinions like the where facts then he are bound to get a strong reactions. Espicialy proclaming that all sources regardles of design sound the same. You missed the point. You made something up, ascribed it to O. and attacked him for saying it. That sort of attack doesn't work. Alert readers will conclude that you 1) don't care whether you are telling the truth or lying or 2) you aren't very bright. Or both. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
darrenyeats;275969 Wrote: Sean, Measurements bla bla but did you *listen* at each stage? There might have been a difference in danceability, texture or chocolateyness that was overlooked by the scope. Darren Very fine. I have visions of a dancing scope. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. A Coat Hanger!
opaqueice;275219 Wrote: Now you know of one. Two. The article was great fun. The outraged reactions are also fun. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are you an audiophile or a music lover?
Many audiophiles spend their time thinking about the next upgrade to their systems. Music lovers think about their next music purchases. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are you an audiophile or a music lover?
sleepysurf;245224 Wrote: And some of us do both! You must be rich! Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB+ info please
Vic;240913 Wrote: Is there any sort of moderators in this forum at all? How can two complete idiots like totorro and opaqueice jump in every single thread, repeate the same crap totally unrelated with the topic, insult everyone and prevent any sort of discussion? I have noticed that this forum hardly has more than 50 posts per day (not surprising with those two morons around); opaqueisce has way more than 1,000 posts, so his madman rants must account for about 10% of posts here, no wonder people go away You are the one delivering insults. complete idiots,madman rants? You haven't made a convincing argument yet. You misquoted opaqueisce and others and then attack the strawman you created. Any forum members were free to answer your original post about the SB+. They didn't. You probably need to go elsewhere for SB+ feedback. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stabilizing the SB3
tyler_durden;241022 Wrote: Was your SB3 sitting on a paint shaker before you put it on sorbothane balls? When you say HUGE, do you mean GIGANTIC or merely STUPENDOUS? TD It's like olives. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stabilizing the SB3
tyler_durden;241060 Wrote: What's like olives? TD Olives are graded by size. The smallest size is medium. then large. Colossal is somewhat larger but far from one-to-a-can. No Small grade makes it to the store. Tweakers seem to hear HUGE improvements more commonly than barely noticeable. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
AndyC_772;238637 Wrote: On the technical side: typical accuracy for a quartz crystal is around +/- 50 parts per million, with higher precision available at exponentially increasing cost. So, if the source and DAC were mismatched by that amount, the DAC would have to interpolate or drop 2.2 samples per second. Audible? Probably not. Good for marketing? Unlikely. 2.2 samples/sec. X 60 sec./ min. X 80 min. / CD = 10,760 samples dropped or interpolated over the length of a CD. 10,760 samples / 44,100 samples / sec = 0.24 sec starting delay to half fill a FIFO buffer 0.53 sec. for 96,000 samples sec. I could live with that. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
opaqueice;238603 Wrote: The problem is that the frequency of the input is -not- given, because each oscillator has a slightly different average frequency. So your local clock will never match the one that generated the input exactly, which means the buffer will eventually overflow or empty. (My comment isn't a criticism of anyone's previous posting.) This is like a lot of discussions of possible effects on sound quality. It poses a theoretical effect and proceeds directly to the solution. A couple of questions always come to my mind: 1. Does this effect actually occur to an extent that can be detected? 2. How big is the effect? For example how far off would an SB3 clock be from an perfect clock? In this case, I wonder just how much difference is there between the average rates of the clock locally generated in a buffered DAC and the clock used to transmit the SPDIF stream from a good quality sound card in a PC? Or the transmit clock in an SB3? If the difference is fairly small, then a simple approach using a fixed local clock and a reasonable sized buffer may in fact work well enough. Deleting quiet samples or inserting quiet samples in a string of quiet samples every now and then might provide periodic re-syncing of the transmit and receive clocks. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind Test: SB3 with linear PS vs CDP
darrenyeats;220425 Wrote: Guys, SB3+linear PS (analogue out) vs CDT+DAC. Winner: CDT+DAC by 4 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses. SB3+linear PS (digital out) vs CDT both into external DAC. Winner SB3+linear PS, 4 wins, 0 draw, 0 loss. Thanks for going to the effort to do a blind test. At the time you and your friend were voting, did the differences seem large and obvious or small and subtle? Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Sean, My wife suggested a solution to the problem raised in this thread: A Placebo Package download. I understand that there might be some engineering effort involved. There will also be some marketing effort to create suitable names for the package. However, I think it will be cost effective in the long run. (And you don't have to re-engineer the Placebo Package for every problem.) In the meantime, keep doing real engineering. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
tomjtx;203088 Wrote: Have you considered buying the black DAC10 and painting it blue? Lots of people are having good results with that aproach. ... Skins for DACs. What a concept! No tricky soldering required. No problems with voiding the warranty. Of course, you might not hear a difference in a double blind test. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
325xi;203212 Wrote: Is it a kind of humor, or someone is just trying to sound smart? Why waste bandwidth if you have nothing to say? I read Tomjtx's post and thought that it could be taken as a put-down or as just humor. I responded to it as just humor. I agree with your earlier comments about Lavry. I think their material on their website was misleading. I appreciate a manufacturer's efforts to explain the technical underpinnings of their products (as Slim Devices has.) When those explanations aren't accurate as was the case with Lavry, my opinion of the manufacturer goes the other way. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
This thread made my day. Sean, I see that you have profited from the many posts about audio quality. More possible checkbox lines: improvement (X) Playing music files from Ram. Desperation (X) Your audio equipment isn't good enough to allow you to detect the difference. Change the subject (X) Heisenburg uncertainty principle. (X) Relativity Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: Inexpensive Linear power supply
Thanks to Sean and tomjtx for speaking up. Six months ago, there was a deafening chorus of experts on this forum telling everyone that a linear power supply and mods were necessary to make the Squeezebox worthwhile. There were prospective customers buying a replacement power supply supply before their Squeezebox had even arrived. It's one thing to trust your own ears. It is just stupid to buy upgrades before you have heard the Squeezebox. This sort of a climate of rumor and fad can make it difficult for a company to base products on sound engineering that delivers good value. I'm glad that there are some people delivering reality checks now. Sean, stick with your approach of real engineering rather than following fads. There is too little of that in the high-end audio industry. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:BEST classical music review site
Just starting to build my classical music library and need a really good 'objective' site for reviews of classical cd's. I don't think you will find any source of reviews that is completely 'objective'. I'm guessing many sites are influenced and/or supported by major labels. Less so than print magazines. Are there any that are truly exceptional? My main source of reviews and information is the usenet newsgroup rec.music.classical.recordings You can use the Google/groups web interface to view this newsgroup. Here is how to get there: 1. Start at Google.com 2. Click on 'more' and then click on 'groups' in the menu that appears. 3. type rec.music.classical.recordings in the text box and then click on the button labeled Search for a group just to the right of the text box. (Don't type the double quotes.) This will display the must recent threads in the newsgroup. You can bookmark this page so that you can avoid steps 1-3 on later visits. Google groups archives the messages on this newsgroup so you can search for past messages commentsing on a work. There are a number of regulars on this newsgroup. Over time, you will learn which regulars have taste in recordings that matches yours. There is a thick Penguin Guide to classical music recordings. I don't recommend it. Classical Music: The Listener's Companion by Alexander Morin is not entirely to my taste but useful. I got my copy as a cheap remaindered book. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you use WAV or FLAC ? Pros vs Cons.....Please :-)
OK, well, for starters we don't know whether processing load (defined somehow) is higher for FLAC. If the OP or Skunk or others are concerned about processor load in the Squeezebox, they should investigate the effect of turning off any VU meter type stuff and even the status display. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32999 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mac OSX, Lossless and alternatives to iTunes
sonofcolin;184707 Wrote: itunes relies on Quicktime and quicktime lacks FLAC support, unless of course you install it: http://xiph.org/quicktime/ This should let you play FLAC files. Read a bit farther: FLAC - FLAC decoder and importer for Ogg FLAC (no support for native FLAC file format yet); Native Flac is widely used and widely supported; OggFlac isn't. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
Eric Carroll;184105 Wrote: To paraphrase Jean Luc Picard in First Contact, The physics of the audiophile world are somewhat different. Here are some of the principles I have perceived since my recent introduction to the audiophile world (and all I thought I was doing was ripping my CDs, getting a good digital source and buying some nice speakers and a good amp - who knew). 1. If a listener claims an audible difference, then it exists. (I hear it, therefore it is) 2. If it exists, any amount of new physics or engineering is plausible to explain the audible difference. 3. Audible difference is never due to suggestion, placebo perceptiual illusion or confirmation bias. Ergo DBT is not required. 4. The obligation to refute audible difference is on the skeptic not the perceiver. 5. All devices, regardless of physical or engineering principles to the contray, influence and colour sound. 6. There is no known threshold of engineering beyond which changes no longer impact sound (corollary of (5)) Eric, I thoroughly enjoyed your post. Keep it up. Of course, you must realize that without these principles, there would be far less for audiophiles to talk about. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any one tried isolating feet on their SB ?
ceejay;176190 Wrote: So just which part of the SB would be affected by vibration, I wonder? Ceejay Dancing feet under the SB should help with PRAT. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
seanadams;176002 Wrote: Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts. About 24 years ago, I worked with a guy who often referred to something insignificant as mouse nuts. I never understood whether it referred to the mouse's food or his anatomy. Do you know? This unanswered question has stayed with me for all those years. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bel Canto No Risk Purchase Plan
lafayette;169601 Wrote: I am sorry for having been snotty. Too many other things on my mind. Personal qualms about another company don't have much to do with the direct discussion of Slim Devices products. Again, I do ask forgiveness of the forum for my short response. In your first post, yoiu made assumptions about what the OP had done (no RMA) and took off flaming him. You demanded that he apologize. The OP noted that he had gotten an RMA number. You have continued to attack the OP for not reading the fine print. Apologize to the OP and shut up. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31562 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophilia as a religion?
adamslim;156910 Wrote: Often consumerism is considered to be the replacement of religion in these modern days we live in, and it strikes me that audio might be the quintessence of this. ... Thanks for suggesting an amusing train of thought. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29972 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Amy Lynne;148774 Wrote: You know, the only reason I posted here was because I saw a bunch of people who'd obviously never seen something talking about something they didn't know about- I always promis myself not to get into stuff like this, but it's always tough for me to watch something really good get hit with sticks. It's like saying Yeah, I could date that chick when you wouldn't even know how to talk to her. I'm actually a game progammer, my friends are all graphix pros and web designers. If something like this could exist in a pc, don't you think it probably would? Don't you think they'd probably be much happier to make some software and not have to make boxes and have inventory and all that stuff? Have you guys seen that gimicky cover flipper in the new iTunes? All that thing has to do is scroll and it can't really do it, let alone search all that data. I totally understand being doubtful about stuff, you have to be, right? We all do it, otherwise we'd be taking all that stuff the marketing guys shove at us all day. But trust me when I say that this is not Kool Aid, it's the real deal. Come on guys, have a little love and wait to see for yourselves what it's about. I spent 3 months exploring lots of player software alternatives before getting serious about ripping our 1800-2000 CDs. About 2/3 of our CD collection is classical msic. For me, album covers don't matter for most of our CDs. Being able to use an iTunes like interface for browsing is essential for me. For Jazz and pop CDs, album covers are my way of identifying desert island disks. At this point, I don't know how much seeing album covers matters to me. I have a srong sense of what I want from a user interface but it is still evolving. However, I understand that other people might need different things. I think that threads like this one are useful to discuss alternatives for the ideas they contain. Thanks, Amy for sharing your experience. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
bmaudio;149195 Wrote: there is a cover mode, but there is also a 3 pane artist/album/song mode. i should also point out that there are multiple skins (skin in the video != skin in the marketing photos). along those lines, if someone is a classical music buff, who says there can't be a skin specifically designed around how one would browse classical / orchestrial music? More info! Thanks. Right now, I'm using 5 panes for classical music (Sub genre, Composer, Work Name, Artist and Version) and 4 panes for pop music (Composer, Artist, Album and Song Title). I'd say 4 panes is a minimum for classical music. Nice cars in the video too. Even pricier than the Sooloos I imagine. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: USB output?
bsquare Wrote: usb has error detection with correction, so cable quality is mostly irrelevant, and usb is asynchronous and buffered, so it doesn't introduce much jitter. bb What you said doesn't apply to USB audio. You might read this post and other by John Swenson on the Audio Asylum site in the Computer Audio forum. http://tinyurl.com/c2kvq error detection with correction Current USB devices receive packets of data at regular clock intervals - isochronous mode. If the packet has an error that can't be corrected, it won't be re-transmitted. The packet has 1 msec of data so the sort of correction/concealment a CD player does won't work. If USB audio devices operated in bulk transfer mode as a USB hard drive does, it could request data when it needed it and request re-transmission. and usb is asynchronous and buffered, so it doesn't introduce much jitter. This would be true if USB audio devices operated in bulk mode. For a USB device operating in isochronous mode, the PC is controlling the flow of data. That means the USB device has to synthesize its word clock directly from the USB clock (sometimes called isochronous mode) or to steer its own clock as its buffer gets fuller or emptier (sometimes called adaptive mode.) The first method produces poor results and the second requires careful work to get to the level of a good SPDIF based DAC. No cheap magic there. In contrast, the Squeezebox can generate a high-quality low jitter clock without complications and the Lan connection has the properties you like. Why mess it up for the flavor of the month? Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20675 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Solving the jitter problem . . . .
mauidan Wrote: You have that rare gift of restating the obvious. Have you ever done any electronic work inside the box or do you just quote what others say? Nothing like stating the obvious to rile some people. The point was that high-end companies rely on silicon designed for larger markets and manufactured by large companies. The source of the Burr-Brown DACs was an example. Pat, thanks for the links to pro audio forums. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19636 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wav Versus Flac
Robin Bowes Wrote: That's because it's his *opinion*, dolt. He doesn't need to substantiate it. He's reporting what he hears. Everybody's hearing is different. Two people can listen to the same thing at the same time and have a different opinion about it. Music and audio is not yet an exact science so your comments are rather ill-judged. R. I think you are calling the wrong person a dolt. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19075 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wavelength Brick
Please illustrate the differences between these setups: PCCat544.1k clocklow jitter signalNON OS DAC PCUSBUSB receiverlow jitter signalNON OS DAC The only difference I see is the short 75ohm RCA connecting the SB and DAC. There are a LOT more similarities. There is a BIG difference. See my second post in this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19342 Current USB DACs like the Wavelength Brick rely on the builtin Windows driver for USB audio. That driver does isochronous mode transfers - a mode designed for really cheap implementation of USB audio rather than for high quality. No retransmissions over the USB bus and the USB DAC has to adapt to the USB bus clock in some way. You can put effort into working around the limitations but it isn't the best way to do things. The Squeezebox can do it right: retransmissions over the Ethernet, deep buffering and the word clock going into its DAC or out over the SPDIF interface can be generated locally. The jitter test results that Sean Adams posted are very good. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19367 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
