Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > This I'm sure was done on purpose. $7000 monoblocks are timeless :-). Timeless that is until the next "revolutionary", "game changing", "ultimate", "Mark II", front cover monoblock amp comes along. Besides a 2007 monoblock is, well, so 2007. Remember in 2016 $7,000 barely covers the cost of the power cord upgrade on today's $50,000 (each) monoblock. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > No idea. > > > > I agree. Would not be that hard to have a date on it... This I'm sure was done on purpose. $7000 monoblocks are timeless :-). Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > Nice. :-). > > Now here's a question. What year was that article? I hate it when a > website has no date on the article to orient oneself with... Following this reference: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/help-me-decide-on-nagra-pyramid-psa-vs-audio-research-amp.104737/ The article in question was quoted in February 2007, so it was published before then. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > What year was that article? No idea. > I hate it when a website has no date on the article to orient oneself > with... I agree. Would not be that hard to have a date on it... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Hmm they apearently makes a mix of recording equipment and high end ? http://www.nagraaudio.com/ and are not a part of the parent company any more ,but still owned by the family Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > 'Nagra PSA (Pyramid Stereo Amplifier)' > (http://www.tonepublications.com/review/nagra-psa-amplifier/) Yea but this is about design , they don't claim pyramid powers . Nagra has some tube stuff too. But I wonder what happened , Nagra did respected proffesional tape recorders ? But now they are a high end hifi brand ? It's just like some parasitic wasp have taken over the brain of the business . Admittedly you can't make a business on analog open reel tape recorders only these days ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Kudelski Apearently Nagra branched out to other stuff . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudelski_Group Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > 'Nagra PSA (Pyramid Stereo Amplifier)' > (http://www.tonepublications.com/review/nagra-psa-amplifier/) Nice. :-). Now here's a question. What year was that article? I hate it when a website has no date on the article to orient oneself with... Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Greg Erskine wrote: > When I was a kid there were pyramids you could buy to keep your razor > blades sharp. What happened to pyramid power? > > Has this advanced technology been used in audio? 'Nagra PSA (Pyramid Stereo Amplifier)' (http://www.tonepublications.com/review/nagra-psa-amplifier/) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > And don't forget to pick up the Sonic Air Molecule Aligner and Purifier > - this device continuously filters the air in one's home thereby > ensuring that the Wi-Fi signal is transmitted as smoothly as possible > and with minimal losses. The device also aligns the air molecules so > that the Wi-Fi signal flows in the proper direction throughout the > house. In addition, there is a Gravitational Wave Rectifier module > available for those who also want to be rid the temporal and > gravitational blurring causes by invisible gravitational waves. When I was a kid there were pyramids you could buy to keep your razor blades sharp. What happened to pyramid power? Has this advanced technology been used in audio? Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > At some point I will start selling audiophile-grade routers and start an > audiophile-grade Internet Service Provider. And don't forget to pick up the Sonic Air Molecule Aligner and Purifier - this device continuously filters the air in one's home thereby ensuring that the Wi-Fi signal is transmitted as smoothly as possible and with minimal losses. The device also aligns the air molecules so that the Wi-Fi signal flows in the proper direction throughout the house. In addition, there is a Gravitational Wave Rectifier module available for those who also want to be rid the temporal and gravitational blurring causes by invisible gravitational waves. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Mnyb wrote: > Can you get discount at audioquest I want thier cat 6 cable from Tidals > servers to my home , now they start to stream MQA :P Sure, no problem, I am sure they do give a discount once you buy more than 10 miles of cable. :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > At some point I will start selling audiophile-grade routers and start an > audiophile-grade Internet Service Provider. Can you get discount at audioquest I want thier cat 6 cable from Tidals servers to my home , now they start to stream MQA :P Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > Agreed. Unfortuntely this has opened the inner sanctum of network wiring > and management hardware to the golden ears, and they have already > trashed it up with golden network cables and magical IP-related > hardware. At some point I will start selling audiophile-grade routers and start an audiophile-grade Internet Service Provider. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > Indeed. I guess the latest step is going all IP/network instead of > "traditional" audio connection standards. Agreed. Unfortuntely this has opened the inner sanctum of network wiring and management hardware to the golden ears, and they have already trashed it up with golden network cables and magical IP-related hardware. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > With the exception of some tiny niches that are pandering to the > audiophile world, pro audio has been as digital as conveniently possible > for years if not decades. Indeed. I guess the latest step is going all IP/network instead of "traditional" audio connection standards. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, > I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going > all-digital (can you say AES67?). With the exception of some tiny niches that are pandering to the audiophile world, pro audio has been as digital as conveniently possible for years if not decades. One area of lagging technology was consoles - digital consoles have been in general pretty pricey. But that has largely come to an end, as well. The cheapest consoles are still analog, but as soon as you get into the popular price range, $1K and up, digital rules. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Not only all digital but all PCM digital. No DSD. Of course - as DSD is useless in the studio. It has to be converted to PCM to be processed or mixed, and then back to DSD if that is the way you want to store/issue it. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Wombat wrote: > Didn't Rey bypass the compressor in the millenium flacon with an > Audioquest cable? No believe that they were Nordost, all that Viking imagery works better in a battle. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Who knows maybe in the Star Wars universe digital cable really do make a > difference! Didn't Rey bypass the compressor in the millenium flacon with an Audioquest cable? Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
philippe_44 wrote: > Be careful, if you start to throw Star Wars, into the mix, we are > entering into a very serious topic now, for real :) > > EVERY audio gear sounds better after having watched the proper episode > of the serie Who knows maybe in the Star Wars universe digital cable really do make a difference! Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Measurements are to a Stereophile equipment review as science is to a > Star Wars movie. Be careful, if you start to throw Star Wars, into the mix, we are entering into a very serious topic now, for real :) EVERY audio gear sounds better after having watched the proper episode of the serie LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, > I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going > all-digital (can you say AES67?). Yes its noteven consitent wiothin the same brand save a test once with a pre amp power amp combo from rotel where the preamp had way to much gain ? Part of this is adly marketting , they should go to 11 ;) it makes the product look more powerfull if it goes loud on the first third of the volume weel . I had a power amp with adjustable gain and passive pre amp way back I set it up so that i sometimes almost bottomed out the volume control , it was s *very* quiet combo Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, > I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going > all-digital (can you say AES67?). Not only all digital but all PCM digital. No DSD. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > And all of these are fairly well understood electrical properties not > magic and not voodoo, as they are often portrayed in the audiophile > press. And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going all-digital (can you say AES67?). "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Mnyb wrote: > And you stll sometimes needs to match components due to varying output > levels and gain between products ? A stadRdised output level and > baseline gain would do so much , sometimes your just amplifing input > noise Mnyb wrote: > O i forgot to mention impedance And all of these are fairly well understood electrical properties not magic and not voodoo, as they are often portrayed in the audiophile press. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
O i forgot to mention impedance Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > The reason being that such a high proportion of audio gear has inaudible > distortion, and that producing gear with really good measured > performance is relatively easy. The common exception is part of just > about every system, and its the transducers and the environment that > they work in. > > So, the transducers are always there to produce audible distortion that > masks any possibly audible distortion in everything else. High end audio's dirty little secret: Real world electronically reproduced audio chain: Performers produce sound waves -> microphone converts sound waves into electrical signal -> electrical signal travels through various pieces of audio equipment -> transducers (aka speakers) convert electrical signals back into sound waves The "secret" part is that in the middle of this chain (the electrical signal travels through various pieces of audio equipment part) there is no "audio" but rather just an electrical signal and believe it or not electrical engineers have a pretty understanding of how electrical signals and signal processing works, especially things like amplifying these signals. All the real action occurs during the first and last parts of the chain converting sound waves into electrical signals and converting electrical signals back into sound waves. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Silly me! I forgot that measurements, at least in the world of high end > audio, are a double edged sword: > > Super expensive equipment "sounds" great but measures poorly - > measurements prove nothing! > > Inexpensive equipment measures good but not great - measurements don't > lie! > > The reason being that such a high proportion of audio gear has inaudible distortion, and that producing gear with really good measured performance is relatively easy. The common exception is part of just about every system, and its the transducers and the environment that they work in. So, the transducers are always there to produce audible distortion that masks any possibly audible distortion in everything else. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > No, it could well happen - only to "prove" that measurements don't tell > the whole story. Silly me! I forgot that measurements, at least in the world of high end audio, are a double edged sword: Super expensive equipment "sounds" great but measures poorly - measurements prove nothing! Inexpensive equipment measures good but not great - measurements don't lie! arnyk wrote: > At least some parts of the above comparisons have been done - by me. > > What I found in the tests that I did was that there were at least some > small differences. > > It's a rule of thumb that modern test equipment is so sensitive and > reliable that almost anything that is even slightly different will also > at least measure slightly differently. > > Check out Archimalgo's Blog - almost every measurement (If not every > measurement) taken under different conditions is at least a little > different. Who are you to say based on just measurements that a > difference is not audible? > > So now we are back at a far more basic question - what does it take for > a measurable difference be an audible difference. No measurement or > combination of just measurements can answer that question. All that just > measurements can tell you is about just measurements. > > If you want to learn something about what actually sounds different to > humans, you must dirty your hands with properly done listening tests > done with humans. Nicely stated. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > As we all know the above will NEVER EVER happen. No, it could well happen - only to "prove" that measurements don't tell the whole story. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > So let's try and come up with potential ways that measurements might be > useful. > > Here's one: > > Take a baseline set of measurement for a power amp using a standard > receptacle, standard (stock) power cord and no power conditioner. > > Next take a set measurements with the same power amp using: > > 1) an audiophile receptacle > > 2) an audiophile power cord > > 3) a power conditioner > > 4) any combination of 1,2 & 3 above > > Compare new measurements with the baseline measurements. > > As we all know the above will NEVER EVER happen. At least some parts of the above comparisons have been done - by me. What I found in the tests that I did was that there were at least some small differences. It's a rule of thumb that modern test equipment is so sensitive and reliable that almost anything that is even slightly different will also at least measure slightly differently. Check out Archimalgo's Blog - almost every measurement (If not every measurement) taken under different conditions is at least a little different. Who are you to say based on just measurements that a difference is not audible? So now we are back at a far more basic question - what does it take for a measurable difference be an audible difference. No measurement or combination of just measurements can answer that question. All that just measurements can tell you is about just measurements. If you want to learn something about what actually sounds different to humans, you must dirty your hands with properly done listening tests done with humans. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
So let's try and come up with potential ways that measurements might be useful. Here's one: Take a baseline set of measurement for a power amp using a standard receptacle, standard (stock) power cord and no power conditioner. Next take a set measurements with the same power amp using: 1) an audiophile receptacle 2) an audiophile power cord 3) a power conditioner 4) any combination of 1,2 & 3 above Compare new measurements with the baseline measurements. As we all know the above will NEVER EVER happen. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
But they are actually in most cases technically correct measurements . The real fun starts when they try to explain away really badly measuring products that they like :) while avoiding the topic of human hearings is not actually that good or you migth prefer this kind of distortion etc Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Measurements are to a Stereophile equipment review as science is to a Star Wars movie. Given some lip service but otherwise completely ignored. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
pablolie wrote: > i am subscribed to Stereophile, and enjoy it. it is in no way my "bible" > in all things audio (not publication is, ever), but the pictures are > beautifully taken and the writing is good. of course there is a lot of > stuff that makes me raise an eyebrow and disagree, but hey, i take this > hobby with some sense of humor. all of us audio aficionados seem crazy > to 99% other people anyhow, so it's kinda fun to watch us passionately > disagree about shades of craziness. :-D i also kind of enjoy the fact > they publish measurements, biased and questionably useful as they > sometimes are - and how the published perception and "rankings" have > little to do with the measurements in the end, kind of showing how > irrational the whole thing is, anyhow. Thats comedy rigth there ,how the editor and most of sterephiles readership does not pick up the ineviteble conclusion regarding the disparate results in measurements vs sighted testing of products . Every article is living proof the sighted testing does not work , and they do this monthly . It's there in the magazine every month ! And almost no one sees it for what it is . A glowing review with fancy wine tester terms and then a measurements showing something else :) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
pablolie wrote: > the writing is good. As far as fiction goes, yes. :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
i am subscribed to Stereophile, and enjoy it. it is in no way my "bible" in all things audio (not publication is, ever), but the pictures are beautifully taken and the writing is good. of course there is a lot of stuff that makes me raise an eyebrow and disagree, but hey, i take this hobby with some sense of humor. all of us audio aficionados seem crazy to 99% other people anyhow, so it's kinda fun to watch us passionately disagree about shades of craziness. :-D i also kind of enjoy the fact they publish measurements, biased and questionably useful as they sometimes are - and how the published perception and "rankings" have little to do with the measurements in the end, kind of showing how irrational the whole thing is, anyhow. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > And so we get people like John Atkinson and Robert Harley, two > writers/editors with little technical expertise or training, posing as > experts. A sad state of affairs. I have very little use for or much to say about Harley, but Atkinson claims a degree in physics from a reputable school in the UK, and I see no evidence to base disbelieving that claim on. IMO there is no comparison of their technical writing. Speaking as a person who has done such things successfully, Atkinson could be hired as a technical writer and possibly be useful, our disagreements notwithstanding. Not so for many of the others. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > The real problem is that many things in audio are difficult or > impossible to truly DBT, Examples are things like loudspeakers and room > acoustics. Not everything is a simple signal processor or a perceptual > encoder. > > In one case an AES paper was cited as DBT-substantiated proof that > certain audible effects of room acoustics aren't actually audible. > Curiosity got the best of me, and as an AES member I could download and > read the paper for myself. It turned out that the paper was not based on > any DBTs, and itself was not offered as anything but an engineering > report on some interesting student experiment. > > IOW, someone was pulling the wool over the moderators and conference > member's eyes based on the problems that many non-AES members have to > surmount to read AES papers. Of course AES membership is only about $100 > a year, so if you are really interested in audio, it is actually a > pretty cheap ride. > > For people who want to be right as opposed to being correct, the recipe > is simple and repeated all over the web: Own a forum and ban everybody > who has a different opinion than you do. I know I'm in trouble when the > moderators themselves repeatedly make public posts that personally > attack me. Obviously, there are issues of honesty and scientific > integrity at work! > > This process has an equivalent in the real world where in business and > social organization some clever but not honest people work hard to > figure out who is going to give them (often well-deserved) disagreement, > and basically force them down and/or out rather than reconsider some of > their tightly held but potentially false beliefs. Thus, one can maintain > the self-deception that they are always right. High end audio, like many other areas, also has individuals, who for some reason or other, have been anointed as "experts" and use their status to control the flow of information and, more importantly, opinion within the area. More often than not these "experts" are industry insiders with particular agenda to promote regardless of the worth or truth of that agenda. In high end audio these "experts" have now completely abandoned any shred of objective reasoning and replaced reasoning with blatant cheerleading of the latest industry sales pitches. And so we get people like John Atkinson and Robert Harley, two writers/editors with little technical expertise or training, posing as experts. A sad state of affairs. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > I agree Arny. While I enjoy reading the HA stuff, it's not much fun > posting when the "TOS#8 Bridgade" rolls around and deposits responses > like this: > 20178 > > Granted it might be warranted but without opportunity to discuss, that's > just not much fun for a hobby forum... It ends up being another > religious decree like the Ten Commandments. > > The real problem is that many things in audio are difficult or impossible to truly DBT, Examples are things like loudspeakers and room acoustics. Not everything is a simple signal processor or a perceptual encoder. In one case an AES paper was cited as DBT-substantiated proof that certain audible effects of room acoustics aren't actually audible. Curiosity got the best of me, and as an AES member I could download and read the paper for myself. It turned out that the paper was not based on any DBTs, and itself was not offered as anything but an engineering report on some interesting student experiment. IOW, someone was pulling the wool over the moderators and conference member's eyes based on the problems that many non-AES members have to surmount to read AES papers. Of course AES membership is only about $100 a year, so if you are really interested in audio, it is actually a pretty cheap ride. For people who want to be right as opposed to being correct, the recipe is simple and repeated all over the web: Own a forum and ban everybody who has a different opinion than you do. I know I'm in trouble when the moderators themselves repeatedly make public posts that personally attack me. Obviously, there are issues of honesty and scientific integrity at work! This process has an equivalent in the real world where in business and social organization some clever but not honest people work hard to figure out who is going to give them (often well-deserved) disagreement, and basically force them down and/or out rather than reconsider some of their tightly held but potentially false beliefs. Thus, one can maintain the self-deception that they are always right. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > But MQA doesn't do DSD so which one is obsolete? -Clearly DSD is obsolete.- Didn't you hear? MQA is *-*revolutionary*-* baby! In either case, neither Metronome or April Wine... er... April Music handles the awesomeness! :mad: Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > Fair enough Mnyb :-). At least the digital portion measures better than > the Metronome. Alas, it cannot play DSD whereas the Metronome apparently > can. Thus it's still clearly obsolete :rolleyes:. But MQA doesn't do DSD so which one is obsolete? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Mnyb wrote: > That thing is not totaly senseless it's is actually a onebox solution > with a class D Amps , digital inputs USB it can play from USB sticks etc > and analog inputs.fm tuner and headphone amp . It lacks built in network > streamer I would want that in such a product. > Well the looks I do like that kind of design . > > It can be much worse a 72 Box solution like naim does it :D > > few realise that box + psu is most of the coat . > > You can have some fun with that , a Sutherland phono stage in 2 boxes + > preamp with external psu add a dCS 3 box DAC setup , there are some mono > blocks with external power supply , why not tri-amp speakers with some > of those . Fair enough Mnyb :-). At least the digital portion measures better than the Metronome. Alas, it cannot play DSD whereas the Metronome apparently can. Thus it's still clearly obsolete :rolleyes:. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > Right... And let's do it again for April 2016! > > 20177 > > Art Dudley found it "easy to use and very attractive". Well, it better > be easy to use for olde tech. But "attractive"? To each his own but it > reminds me of my uncle's early top loading VHS player (I think it was an > old Magnavox) :D. That thing is not totaly senseless it's is actually a onebox solution with a class D Amps , digital inputs USB it can play from USB sticks etc and analog inputs.fm tuner and headphone amp . It lacks built in network streamer I would want that in such a product. Well the looks I do like that kind of design . It can be much worse a 72 Box solution like naim does it :D few realise that box + psu is most of the coat . You can have some fun with that , a Sutherland phono stage in 2 boxes + preamp with external psu add a dCS 3 box DAC setup , there are some mono blocks with external power supply , why not tri-amp speakers with some of those . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Wombat wrote: > Quoting GUTB is not exactly a counter HA example ;) > He is only unloading posts about his believe system without any further > attempt to discuss anything when asked. Right :-). Just an example of the kind of terse responses I've seen that I imagine could turn off otherwise reasonable posters. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > I agree Arny. While I enjoy reading the HA stuff, it's not much fun > posting when the "TOS#8 Bridgade" rolls around and deposits responses > like this: > 20178 > > Granted it might be warranted but without opportunity to discuss, that's > just not much fun for a hobby forum... It ends up being another > religious decree like the Ten Commandments. > > In terms of the "madness of crowds" as expressed in the forums, I find > it amazing how easy we as humans end up in a dichotomy or either/or, > all/nothing. The caricatures of -Spiritual/Magical Thinking Audiophiles- > or -Ultra-Orthodox DBT'ers-. It's like choosing between Communism and > Ultra Nationalism. > > I hope that in most situations, the "silent majority" is actually much > more moderate. But I suspect most Moderate Audiophile neither receives > financial incentive nor fight with religious fervor over what amounts to > relatively little when there are so many more interesting technologies > and other hobbies to be involved in after awhile of witnessing how the > extremists conduct themselves... I don't hold that all audiophile beliefs are flawed and many of the flawed beliefs started out as true but then became unglued from reality. Cables are a good example. Going from cheap, poorly made interconnects and wire to well made cables does improve things but there is no benefit from going any further, it is just over kill and over design. Many audiophile speakers and headphones are built using very well established audio engineering principles but their pricing is based on insanity. Same is true for many audiophile power amps. For the price of state of the (audiophile) art system today one can buy a whole fleet of brand new luxury cars. I love it when the high end world has to answer for things like Elac's $500 killer speakers, designed and built by one their own but priced for real people. Reading those reviews almost makes having these rags around worthwhile. As I've stated before I stopped drinking the kool-aid once I starting getting into computer based audio and music streaming. I found that I could no longer believe the nonsense being written about digital files - whether completely misunderstanding how computers and digital audio work, to file format fumbling, to USB cable insanity. And all of this had me questioning most of older beliefs and putting to the same provability test. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Quoting GUTB is not exactly a counter HA example ;) He is only unloading posts about his believe system without any further attempt to discuss anything when asked. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > Dream on! HA has its own anti-scientific axe to grind, just like Head > Fi, and the DIY forums. In the case of HA the axe is a kind of > ultra-science or the idea that if some theory or principle hasn't > happened to have been covered with a DBT, it is therefore assumed to be > false. > > One common thread among all of these forums- the use of absolute > censorship to keep the management viewpoint the only one that can be > expressed. Thoughtful dissent with the management viewpoint is first > persecuted and then banned. I agree Arny. While I enjoy reading the HA stuff, it's not much fun posting when the "TOS#8 Bridgade" rolls around and deposits responses like this: 20178 Granted it might be warranted but without opportunity to discuss, that's just not much fun for a hobby forum... It ends up being another religious decree like the Ten Commandments. In terms of the "madness of crowds" as expressed in the forums, I find it amazing how easy we as humans end up in a dichotomy or either/or, all/nothing. The caricatures of -Spiritual/Magical Thinking Audiophiles- or -Ultra-Orthodox DBT'ers-. It's like choosing between Communism and Ultra Nationalism. I hope that in most situations, the "silent majority" is actually much more moderate. But I suspect most Moderate Audiophile neither receives financial incentive nor fight with religious fervor over what amounts to relatively little when there are so many more interesting technologies and other hobbies to be involved in after awhile of witnessing how the extremists conduct themselves... +---+ |Filename: TOS-No.8.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20178| +---+ Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > The facts: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/business/media/music-sales-remain-steady-but-lucrative-cd-sales-decline.html?_r=0 > > Stereophile's response: > > Let's put some almost dead tech on the cover! Right... And let's do it again for April 2016! 20177 Art Dudley found it "easy to use and very attractive". Well, it better be easy to use for olde tech. But "attractive"? To each his own but it reminds me of my uncle's early top loading VHS player (I think it was an old Magnavox) :D. +---+ |Filename: April_2016_Stereophile.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20177| +---+ Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
The facts: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/business/media/music-sales-remain-steady-but-lucrative-cd-sales-decline.html?_r=0 Stereophile's response: Let's put some almost dead tech on the cover! +---+ |Filename: STEREOPHILE_MAR-16.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20176| +---+ Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
cliveb wrote: > The only forum where proper scientific discussion happens and moderators > keep the crazies in check seems to be Hydrogen Audio. Even there, the > occasional flame war erupts (eg. the recent "More misinformation" thread > - quite why the moderators let that one run for so long beats me). Dream on! HA has its own anti-scientific axe to grind, just like Head Fi, and the DIY forums. In the case of HA the axe is a kind of ultra-science or the idea that if some theory or principle hasn't happened to have been covered with a DBT, it is therefore assumed to be false. One common thread among all of these forums- the use of absolute censorship to keep the management viewpoint the only one that can be expressed. Thoughtful dissent with the management viewpoint is first persecuted and then banned. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > While the hipsters have already moved on from vinyl to cassette tape. > :) > > > I think "high end audio" lost the war quite a while ago. All that > remains is the audio fragment of the generic "high end" (as in "luxury", > or "mine is more expensive than yours") market. Just waiting for cables > by Dior, designed by Porsche, and Ferrari-badged record players. Yup. I think we're just seeing the ultimate expression of consumerism play out. They might keep pushing on these forums and it might look bad for the objective no-nonsense folks, but I suspect the revenue side isn't looking great which is where it matters to these guys. I suspect when we see these kinds of tactics (eg. Ralph's comments about the HeadFi forum), it's a sign of desperation from the manufacturers and those that derive financing through advertising. Isn't it interesting the collapse of Hi-Resolution Audio at CES and SXSW in the span of about a year? (Where's Pono and Neil Young now?) When the majority of this stuff isn't sourced from any actual hi-Res mastering, the fraud can only go so far and I suspect there's less and less public who's willing to buy the hype. Although we'll continue to see the low end Bluetooth and cheapo vinyl gear grow for a while I suspect, the guys interested in true fidelity probably have moved on and are bored with stuff like what's being peddled by places like Audiostream. I think the worst thing people like Lavorgna can do is to shut down healthy debate which I suspect helped his traffic numbers. I am looking forward to upcoming trade show reports like Munich in May I think. Should give us an idea of what's up the audio manufacturers' collective sleeves. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Julf wrote: > Just waiting for cables by Dior, designed by Porsche, and Ferrari-badged > record players. Merchandising of luxury brands is getting silly. I was in Avoriaz a couple of weeks ago and saw a guy whose skis had Ferrari prancing horse emblems on them! Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > So what is going on now is that there are individuals who post all kinds > audiophile garbage on many of the threads in the Sound Science section > and completely derail any discussion of audio science. By "audiophile > garbage" I am referring to the statements like "not everything can be > measured" or "but there are people who clearly hear the difference" or > better yet "but there are people who clearly hear jitter". And when > asked to provide proof they just evade the request and a flame war soon > follows and the thread gets closed. The only forum where proper scientific discussion happens and moderators keep the crazies in check seems to be Hydrogen Audio. Even there, the occasional flame war erupts (eg. the recent "More misinformation" thread - quite why the moderators let that one run for so long beats me). Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Meanwhile bluetooth speakers are still selling like crazy and lossy > streaming is becoming the preferred way to listen to music. While the hipsters have already moved on from vinyl to cassette tape. :) > High end audio may be winning some battles but they are clearly losing > the war. I think "high end audio" lost the war quite a while ago. All that remains is the audio fragment of the generic "high end" (as in "luxury", or "mine is more expensive than yours") market. Just waiting for cables by Dior, designed by Porsche, and Ferrari-badged record players. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Archimago wrote: > Speaking of paranoia. It looks like Lavorgna is getting more vigilant > with any comment that disagrees with his ridiculous posts that basically > demonstrate his lack of understanding and over-reaching thoughts. What a > convoluted mass of ideas made to justify bizarre beliefs he and > affiliated writers like Steve Plaskin (geez... seemingly always going on > about Synergistic Research... enough already!) hold. > > (Check out his recent article on Sonification - good job from the > commenters!) After a recent set-to over on Head-Fi.org forums Sound Science sub-forum I have to admit that the battle for the minds of present and future audiophiles is going to be very rough. For those of you unfamiliar with Head-Fi, the Sound Science sub-forum is the ONLY place on Head-Fi where someone can ask for proof, either in the form of clear measurements or properly conducted double blind tests, of ANY statement or claim. So basically that means on all the other sub-forum (over 10) someone can say "This USB cable sounds great!" and have to provide ZERO proof. Kind of sounds like Stereophile or The Absolute Sound except that these posters are not getting paid (I hope). So what is going on now is that there are individuals who post all kinds audiophile garbage on many of the threads in the Sound Science section and completely derail any discussion of audio science. By "audiophile garbage" I am referring to the statements like "not everything can be measured" or "but there are people who clearly hear the difference" or better yet "but there are people who clearly hear jitter". And when asked to provide proof they just evade the request and a flame war soon follows and the thread gets closed. But then I'm afraid that Head-Fi is going the way of the Computer Audiophile site - indirectly bought and paid for by the manufacturers. Indirectly just like the audio publications with special treatment (in home setups by company presidents/owners, travel junkets, dinners, etc.), long term equipment loans ;) and sponsorship (aka ad revenue). Meanwhile bluetooth speakers are still selling like crazy and lossy streaming is becoming the preferred way to listen to music. High end audio may be winning some battles but they are clearly losing the war. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
RonM wrote: > Paranoia. Speaking of paranoia. It looks like Lavorgna is getting more vigilant with any comment that disagrees with his ridiculous posts that basically demonstrate his lack of understanding and over-reaching thoughts. (For example his recent article on Sonification - good job from the commenters!) Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
pablolie wrote: > is there a reason why it looks like the Stereophile forums? They are all part of the same corporate combine. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
pablolie wrote: > is there a reason why it looks like the Stereophile forums? Audiostream is one of several Stereophile's specialty audio "sister" sites and all the sites are linked - same user ID, log in, etc. The only "sister" site with even a slight bit of independence is "Inner Fidelity", the headphone site. The other sites just feature Stereophile writers writing their audiophile dogma. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
If a lone man says something in a forest where his wife can't hear him, is he still wrong ? A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
is there a reason why it looks like the Stereophile forums? ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Player) running Ubuntu 12.04 + LMS 7.7.5 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
mlsstl wrote: > They can also hear everything you've never said... Until I read the previous pages of posts, I thought that was a reference to the audiophile press and their response to inferred criticism! LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
mlsstl wrote: > They can also hear everything you've never said... Both sighted and double blind! With 100% accuracy for both. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
They can also hear everything you've never said... mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
cliveb wrote: > Women need very acute hearing so that they are able to hear everything > their husbands might mutter under their breath and file it away for > future use against them (sometimes years later). I'm pretty sure part of the marriage ceremony reads "Anything you say can and will be used against you". Furthermore I've found out that the fifth amendment doesn't apply in a relationship. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
cliveb wrote: > Women need very acute hearing so that they are able to hear everything > their husbands might mutter under their breath and file it away for > future use against them (sometimes years later). And men have the advantage of having and developing that brain/hearing tool called "the last sentence buffer" so that whatever he happens to be doing something that to him is more important than listening to whatever his wife is saying he can repeat back the last of sentence of whatever she said should she happen to say "Are you even paying attention to anything I just said?" A well maintained and functioning "last sentence buffer" is essential to a successful marriage. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
w3wilkes wrote: > The disgusting thing about age related hearing loss is it seems to > discriminate between males and females. My wife and I are both mid 60's > and I have to wear hearing aids to get any kind of high frequency like > cymbals, crickets at night, etc., mids and lows are fine. My wife, on > the other hand, has X-Ray hearing. It's not fair! Women need very acute hearing so that they are able to hear everything their husbands might mutter under their breath and file it away for future use against them (sometimes years later). Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > I don't know the exact stats for age related hearing loss but it would > be very hard to believe that a man in his mid-60s, such as Atkinson, > does not have some degree of age related hearing loss. The disgusting thing about age related hearing loss is it seems to discriminate between males and females. My wife and I are both mid 60's and I have to wear hearing aids to get any kind of high frequency like cymbals, crickets at night, etc., mids and lows are fine. My wife, on the other hand, has X-Ray hearing. It's not fair! 2 Duets - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs Rock Solid with LMS 7.8.0 and WHS 2011 w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
arnyk wrote: > The obvious conclusion is age discrimination. As people grow older, they > may learn how to become more sensitive listeners. They may also learn > better than to believe everything they read. > > How many subjectivists disparage John Atkinson's reviews - he's pushing > 70, you know. He graduated from University around 1971. That was 44 > years ago. Add a probable age at graduation of ca. 23. > > Robert Harley is probably a decade younger. Finding out their true > birthdays may be tougher than finding out the corresponding info about > female Hollywood stars. I think in this case age discrimination goes hand in hand with discrimination based on hearing abilities. I don't know the exact stats for age related hearing loss but it would be very hard to believe that a man in his mid-60s, such as Atkinson, does not have some degree of age related hearing loss. So while his hearing sensitivity may have increased, his ability to hear some high frequencies has more than likely decreased. Stereophile's recommended components listings feature speakers labelled "restricted LF" (low frequency) so perhaps a few of their equipment reviewers should be labelled "restricted HF" (high frequency). Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > So the web site Audiostream, a "spin off"/sub web site of the main > Stereophile web site puts up a couple of posts showing that the majority > of the site's readers support the site's brand of subjective evaluation > of audio equipment. Wow what a big surprise! Perhaps a web site devoted > to autoerotic asphyxiation will now feature some showing that the > majority of the site's enjoy this practice. Now wouldn't that be another > big surprise. > Some surprise. There is a strong tendency for computer conferences to appeal to and affirm a certain viewpoint. > > Mr. Lavorgna fails to mention what constitutes a "toxic" comment or > better yet provide a rules of conduct for the comments so that > individuals with different opinions might be able to post comments > without being banned. Note: I just posted a comment on Audiostream > asking Mr. Lavorgna to post some kind of rules of conduct. > Many not matter. Such rules are subject to personal interpretation. For example, I've seen time and again where people interpret any disagreement as being a presonal attack, arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
servies wrote: > Looking at the profile images I see some pretty old folks who probably > can't even hear beyond 13 kHz... > I know enough to come to a certain conclusion... The obvious conclusion is age discrimination. As people grow older, they may learn how to become more sensitive listeners. They may also learn better than to believe everything they read. How many subjectivists disparage John Atkinson's reviews - he's pushing 70, you know. Robert Harley is probably a decade younger. Finding out their true birthdays may be tougher than finding out the corresponding info about female Hollywood stars. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
ralphpnj wrote: > Is that a tube transmitter? Well sort of. It's a Traveling Wave Tube amplifier. This is a specialized long life microwave tube that may still be used occasionally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveling-wave_tube arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
bonze wrote: > Whatever floats your boat - but you don't really need to share all the > same. definitely a dead sheep. Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
SBGK wrote: > I feel like I've been savaged by a dead sheep or is it nuzzled by an old > boar, both apply. Whatever floats your boat - but you don't really need to share all the same. LMS Version: 7.9 TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - WHS 2011 2x Touch, 3x SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
bonze wrote: > Here it's known as the "SBGK defence" ;) I feel like I've been savaged by a dead sheep or is it nuzzled by an old boar, both apply. Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/ SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
andy_c wrote: > It seems somehow appropriate to link to that favorite old usenet song, > "'*_The_Lurkers_Support_Me_in_Email_*' > (http://www.jowaltonbooks.com/poetry/whimsy/the-lurkers-support-me-in-email/)", > sung to the tune of "My Bonny Lies Over the Ocean". Here it's known as the "SBGK defence" ;) LMS Version: 7.9 TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - WHS 2011 2x Touch, 3x SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
It seems somehow appropriate to link to that favorite old usenet song, "'*_The_Lurkers_Support_Me_in_Email_*' (http://www.jowaltonbooks.com/poetry/whimsy/the-lurkers-support-me-in-email/)", sung to the tune of "My Bonny Lies Over the Ocean". andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
So the web site Audiostream, a "spin off"/sub web site of the main Stereophile web site puts up a couple of posts showing that the majority of the site's readers support the site's brand of subjective evaluation of audio equipment. Wow what a big surprise! Perhaps a web site devoted to autoerotic asphyxiation will now feature some showing that the majority of the site's enjoy this practice. Now wouldn't that be another big surprise. Mr. Lavorgna fails to mention what constitutes a "toxic" comment or better yet provide a rules of conduct for the comments so that individuals with different opinions might be able to post comments without being banned. Note: I just posted a comment on Audiostream asking Mr. Lavorgna to post some kind of rules of conduct. While I do not have even the remotest chance of countering the outright lies that make up at least 90% of present day advertising and politics, I'm hoping that I, along with other members of what I'm terming "the loud minority", can have some small chance of countering the outright lies that often appear on many of the audiophile web sites. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
mlsstl wrote: > I think the fundamental irony is that subjectivists refuse to admit the > psychological influence of their own subjectivity! I guess "subjectivist" isn't really an accurate label - "solipsist", "egotist" or "egocentric" might be better. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
I think the fundamental irony is that subjectivists refuse to admit the psychological influence of their own subjectivity! mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
SuperQ wrote: > Baffling. > > The opinion that there are still unsolved cases of where the difference > people hear can't be measured blows my mind. > > We can tune in the 23W transmitter from the Voyager probes that are 5.8 > billion miles away, but nope, audio is unsolved. > > It's like they're willfully ignorant of things like audio diffmaker. Looking at the profile images I see some pretty old folks who probably can't even hear beyond 13 kHz... I know enough to come to a certain conclusion... There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
SuperQ wrote: > Baffling. > > The opinion that there are still unsolved cases of where the difference > people hear can't be measured blows my mind. > > We can tune in the 23W transmitter from the Voyager probes that are 5.8 > billion miles away, but nope, audio is unsolved. > > It's like they're willfully ignorant of things like audio diffmaker. Is that a tube transmitter? Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Baffling. The opinion that there are still unsolved cases of where the difference people hear can't be measured blows my mind. We can tune in the 23W transmitter from the Voyager probes that are 5.8 billion miles away, but nope, audio is unsolved. It's like they're willfully ignorant of things like audio diffmaker. SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"
Ladies and gentlemen I do believe that our voices of reason are having an impact and have prompted the following two posts on the Audiostream web site: http://www.audiostream.com/content/silent-majority#31HoU8w6GYKjiFpM.97 http://www.audiostream.com/content/silent-majority-speaks-out#MrSI1xaUy3dfo9xU.97 Now I know that the at least one member of this forum is among those banned by Audiostream, as per this paragraph: Michael Lavorgna wrote: > You may have noticed that of late, there's a pleasant lack of the usual > toxic comments here on AudioStream, something that has taken a bit of > moderating and time to accomplish. I say "a bit" because in total I've > only had to block the accounts of about eight to ten people in our 4+ > years. My hope is this will encourage more of the silent majority to be > less silent so we can show people what our hi-fi hobby is really about. And I also know that in the case of at least one banned individual the ban was the result of that individual posting comments questioning Audiostream's methods and conclusions and NOT the result of that individual posting comments which were filled with name calling and foul language, which is something this individual would NEVER do. Seems to me that Audiostream's version of the hi-fi hobby is much like the good old Wizard of Oz - lots of smoke and mirrors but whenever someone tries to pull away the curtain to see what's behind all the smoke and mirrors that person gets banished from Oz. All of which leads me to say: Keep up the good work and hopefully sometime in the not to distant future the hi-fi hobby will once again be about good science, truth and honesty not filled with the lies and "magic" presented on sites like Audiostream. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105254 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
