Re: [Aus-soaring] For Sale: Borgelt B2500 with B500 vario and EW Microrecorder

[Peter Champness]

Crowded panel there David!
I take it that the knob on the upper right is to attach a Nav PDA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Dave Springford  wrote:

>
>
> The B2500 is a full function flight computer that provides navigation and
> task information, including Area Task functionality, wind and final
> glide.It consists of the B500 Vario and B2500 Nav display and PDA-PS
> module. A novel feature with the B2500 system is the stereo speakers that
> provide thermal centering cues based on vario tones on the left or right
> side speaker. Also included is an EW microrecorder. The Borgelt has an
> integral GPS, but is not IGC certified, thus the EW certified recorder.The
> B2500 Manual can be downloaded here:
> www.*borgelt*instruments.com/*B2500*man.pdf
> 
>
>
> $900
>
> Contact springfo "at" gmail dotcom
> Dave
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: ASW20 VH-IIC

[Peter (PCS3)]

On 27/02/2015 7:58 AM, Adam Woolley wrote:
Are you looking for a beautiful glider, handling, performance & 
maintenance wise? Then the below is for you!


I flew this glider for a fortnight at the Tocumwal nationals recently, 
a true delight with an excellent trailer.



Cheers,
WPP

P.s. Peter, can you also put this ad up on glidersales?

Actioned: what is his email address?
PeterS





Begin forwarded message:


*From:* "Peter Trotter" <>
*Date:* 26 February 2015 10:21:40 AEST
*To:* "KSCchat" >

*Subject:* *[KSChat] ASW20 VH-IIC for sale*

Hi all



We are going to part with our ASW 20.



The price is $54,000 with basic instruments. If you are interested let me
know and I can give you more details.



Cheers



Peter Trotter

0417 888040



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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: ASW20 VH-IIC

[Ian Mc Phee]

That IIC ASW20 was originally owned by Brad Edwards & can always remember
how Brad would say how nice it's feel was.   His later ASW20B had stiffer
wings which he never liked as much even though it carried more water.

Always can ask Brad for his thoughts direct 0267711733 at home.

Ian Mc Phee
0428847642
On 27/02/2015 9:00 AM, "Adam Woolley"  wrote:

> Are you looking for a beautiful glider, handling, performance &
> maintenance wise? Then the below is for you!
>
> I flew this glider for a fortnight at the Tocumwal nationals recently, a
> true delight with an excellent trailer.
>
>
> Cheers,
> WPP
>
> P.s. Peter, can you also put this ad up on glidersales?
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Peter Trotter" <>
> *Date:* 26 February 2015 10:21:40 AEST
> *To:* "KSCchat" 
> *Subject:* *[KSChat] ASW20 VH-IIC for sale*
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> We are going to part with our ASW 20.
>
>
>
> The price is $54,000 with basic instruments. If you are interested let me
> know and I can give you more details.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Peter Trotter
>
> 0417 888040
>
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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: ASW20 VH-IIC

[Adam Woolley]

Are you looking for a beautiful glider, handling, performance & maintenance 
wise? Then the below is for you! 

I flew this glider for a fortnight at the Tocumwal nationals recently, a true 
delight with an excellent trailer.


Cheers,
WPP

P.s. Peter, can you also put this ad up on glidersales?




Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Peter Trotter" <>
> Date: 26 February 2015 10:21:40 AEST
> To: "KSCchat" 
> Subject: [KSChat] ASW20 VH-IIC for sale
> 
> Hi all
> 
> 
> 
> We are going to part with our ASW 20.
> 
> 
> 
> The price is $54,000 with basic instruments. If you are interested let me
> know and I can give you more details.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Trotter
> 
> 0417 888040
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A

[Ian Mc Phee]

Can do but awaiting more GPS15-xL engines in about March 8

Re flight time recording ALL 302s under read by about 1.5 min per hour as
this timing does not come from GPS.

The new replacement Garmin GPS15xL engine the Cambridge gets its UTC time &
date from the garmin.

Ian Mc Phee
On 25/02/2015 12:47 PM, "Terence Doherty"  wrote:

> I have one of these driving a 303 screen. It is now suffering the Garmin
> date problem. It has always had an issue whereby it displays the flight
> elapsed time as zero, although it records flights correctly.
>
> Can you overhaul these, Ian, or anyone else in Australia? Or do I have to
> send it to Clearnav?
>
> Regards
> Niall Doherty
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
> "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <
> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
>
> To:
> "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <
> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>
> Cc:
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> Sent:
> Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:56:57 +1100
> Subject:
> Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A
>
>
> You may need to check which Garmin GPS engine is installed.  If the GPS25
> it is best to replace with GPS 15xL which will work for years to come.
>
> Ian mcphee
> 0428847642
> On 24/02/2015 8:10 PM, "Matthew Scutter"  wrote:
>
>> Continuing the closet clearing / financing for JWGC2015,
>> I have a Cambridge 302A, which is identical to the venerable Cambridge
>> 302, except it's just the logger - no variometer.
>>
>> It was a spare I purchased (for 400 euros) for WGC2014, I never used it,
>> but it was demonstrated as working to me.
>>
>> I understand the ongoing servicing of Cambridge's was briefly in doubt
>> last year as the original company went bankrupt, but ClearNAV has now taken
>> over servicing/repairs of them.
>>
>> Fully IGC certified for all classes of records and competition.
>>
>> 400$ ONO.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A

[Terence Doherty]

I have one of these driving a 303 screen. It is now suffering the
Garmin date problem. It has always had an issue whereby it displays
the flight elapsed time as zero, although it records flights
correctly.

Can you overhaul these, Ian, or anyone else in Australia? Or do I
have to send it to Clearnav?

Regards
 Niall Doherty
- Original Message -
From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
Cc:
Sent:Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:56:57 +1100
Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A

You may need to check which Garmin GPS engine is installed.  If the
GPS25 it is best to replace with GPS 15xL which will work for years to
come.  

Ian mcphee 
 0428847642  On 24/02/2015 8:10 PM, "Matthew Scutter"  wrote:
Continuing the closet clearing / financing for JWGC2015,I have a
Cambridge 302A, which is identical to the venerable Cambridge 302,
except it's just the logger - no variometer.
It was a spare I purchased (for 400 euros) for WGC2014, I never used
it, but it was demonstrated as working to me.

I understand the ongoing servicing of Cambridge's was briefly in doubt
last year as the original company went bankrupt, but ClearNAV has now
taken over servicing/repairs of them.
Fully IGC certified for all classes of records and competition.
400$ ONO. 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A

[Ian Mc Phee]

You may need to check which Garmin GPS engine is installed.  If the GPS25
it is best to replace with GPS 15xL which will work for years to come.

Ian mcphee
0428847642
On 24/02/2015 8:10 PM, "Matthew Scutter"  wrote:

> Continuing the closet clearing / financing for JWGC2015,
> I have a Cambridge 302A, which is identical to the venerable Cambridge
> 302, except it's just the logger - no variometer.
>
> It was a spare I purchased (for 400 euros) for WGC2014, I never used it,
> but it was demonstrated as working to me.
>
> I understand the ongoing servicing of Cambridge's was briefly in doubt
> last year as the original company went bankrupt, but ClearNAV has now taken
> over servicing/repairs of them.
>
> Fully IGC certified for all classes of records and competition.
>
> 400$ ONO.
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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cambridge 302A

[Matthew Scutter]

Continuing the closet clearing / financing for JWGC2015,
I have a Cambridge 302A, which is identical to the venerable Cambridge 302,
except it's just the logger - no variometer.

It was a spare I purchased (for 400 euros) for WGC2014, I never used it,
but it was demonstrated as working to me.

I understand the ongoing servicing of Cambridge's was briefly in doubt last
year as the original company went bankrupt, but ClearNAV has now taken over
servicing/repairs of them.

Fully IGC certified for all classes of records and competition.

400$ ONO.
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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Parcel shelf parachute

[Matthew Scutter]

Did you have one too many christmas puddings and now don't fit in your
glider?
Did you buy an 'a' fuselage glider and find it a little less 'cosy' and a
little more 'uncomfortable'? Is your centre of gravity too far forwards?
Would you rather CONFOR and cushions under you than some lambswool and
fabric?

Thanks to months of yoga, dieting, (and some small glider modifications), I
am now able to contort myself such that I can actually fit in my own glider
with a regular parachute, so subsequently my parcel shelf parachute is for
sale.

You wear a harness, and stick the parachute in the parcel shelf area. It's
a static line so no fumbling for handles as you plunge to the earth.


More details here:
https://www.gliderpilotshop.com/emergency-parachute-10-30-24-ii.html

Perfect condition, 1.5 years into the 15(+) year lifespan. New is ~3000$
landed in Australia (w/GST).

Asking 2150$. I would consider a swap (with cash) for a slim parachute
(National 360 or similar).
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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: MicroAir M760

[Adam Woolley]

MicroAir M760 rev P, ~4yrs old? $750

It's a European one that can no longer be used due to their new rule changes. 
If interested, please contact me offline, this unit would also need to be 
purchased by the 22nd FEB for free postage.


Regards,
WPP
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Lak17at 15/18m

[Peter (PCS3)]

List it on http://glidersales.com.au/motor.php
On 16/12/2014 4:31 PM, Luke Dodd wrote:


Hi All,

after much thought I have decided to sell my Lak17at 15/18m glider. 
Has had very little use, only 180hrs total.

solo 2350 sustainer
lx7007 vario etc.
fiberglass clamshell trailer

contact me off line for further info.

regards luke



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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Lak17at 15/18m

[Luke Dodd]

Hi All,

after much thought I have decided to sell my Lak17at 15/18m glider. Has had 
very little use, only 180hrs total.

solo 2350 sustainer
lx7007 vario etc.
fiberglass clamshell trailer

contact me off line for further info.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cirrus 75B, GQT

[Adam Woolley]

VH-GQT has been sold, & is off to a great home. Thanks all to whom showed 
interest.


Cheers,
WPP



> On 10 Nov 2014, at 8:00, Adam Woolley  wrote:
> 
> VH-GQT, aka 'W3' For Sale
> 
> Make an offer on this beautiful Cirrus 75B. I'm willing to sell the glider 
> fully kitted out as it is now, or as I purchased it (ASI, ALT, Winter Vario, 
> Radio, OzFlarm, trailer, plus Maughmer winglets). 
> 
> GQT was bought into the country in 1976 - currently has ~3150hrs.  250kg 
> B.E.W., 70kg - 110kg pilot range. Parachute included. Next major inspection 
> due at 6000hrs. Custom panel, full ClearNav system, Colibri2, MicroAir radio, 
> OzFlarm. Maughmer winglets. MH O2 EDS. New interior. Extract vent & custom 
> scoop. Pirka & Storker Electric Bug Wipers. 16m tips. Functional & great 
> traveling trailer. Kerry Covers.
> 
> Pictures found here: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/127475624@N05/sets/72157648772828579
> 
> Contact me if you're interested: go_soar...@hotmail.com 
> 
> 
> More detail:
> 
> This Cirrus has had everything under the sun applied to it, as a result 
> performs & handles like it's on rails. I've completed 8 flights over 700km, 
> with one 950km triangle - this glider goes!
> 
> I'm flexible with what the glider is sold with, as most of the equipment 
> below can be used as a backup in my Ventus - which has an identical setup.  
> 
> I'm only selling as owning & operating two gliders at their peak performance 
> is proving quite hard.
> 
> *Custom designed panel, simply supreme for pilots in a club environment, all 
> the way to the competition/XC scene.  Simplicity was in mind when I designed 
> it: ClearNav MFD, ClearNav vario, Colibri 2, OzFlarm, MicroAir (an early one, 
> can be heard in Temora when I'm in QLD I'm told!), ASI & ALT;
> 
> *DR Mark D Maughmer winglets, these were specifically designed for the Cirrus 
> wingtip - giving a claimed/researched, 4% advantage to performance;
> 
> *Mountain High O2 EDS system, big tank with custom install;
> 
> *Interior has had a full make over, sporting the latest Schempp-Hirth shades. 
> Easy to maintain & clean. Airflow is strong in the cockpit due to the vent 
> system below.
> 
> *Pirka & Storka, Electric Bug Wipers, including low drag fiberglass blades. 
> Simple & easy to use. This system has never failed on me since install (3 
> yrs);
> 
> *Extract vent (within the inspection panel), with accompanying scoop to 
> direct the air exactly where I want it to go. GQT's cockpit is arguably 
> quieter than a new glider out of the factory. Glider is fully race sealed;
> 
> *16m tips
> 
> *Trailer is very functional, travels great.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam Woolley
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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Cirrus 75B, GQT

[Adam Woolley]

VH-GQT, aka 'W3' For Sale

Make an offer on this beautiful Cirrus 75B. I'm willing to sell the glider 
fully kitted out as it is now, or as I purchased it (ASI, ALT, Winter Vario, 
Radio, OzFlarm, trailer, plus Maughmer winglets). 

GQT was bought into the country in 1976 - currently has ~3150hrs.  250kg 
B.E.W., 70kg - 110kg pilot range. Parachute included. Next major inspection due 
at 6000hrs. Custom panel, full ClearNav system, Colibri2, MicroAir radio, 
OzFlarm. Maughmer winglets. MH O2 EDS. New interior. Extract vent & custom 
scoop. Pirka & Storker Electric Bug Wipers. 16m tips. Functional & great 
traveling trailer. Kerry Covers.

Pictures found here: 
https://flickr.com/photos/127475624@N05/sets/72157648772828579

Contact me if you're interested: go_soar...@hotmail.com 


More detail:

This Cirrus has had everything under the sun applied to it, as a result 
performs & handles like it's on rails. I've completed 8 flights over 700km, 
with one 950km triangle - this glider goes!

I'm flexible with what the glider is sold with, as most of the equipment below 
can be used as a backup in my Ventus - which has an identical setup.  

I'm only selling as owning & operating two gliders at their peak performance is 
proving quite hard.

*Custom designed panel, simply supreme for pilots in a club environment, all 
the way to the competition/XC scene.  Simplicity was in mind when I designed 
it: ClearNav MFD, ClearNav vario, Colibri 2, OzFlarm, MicroAir (an early one, 
can be heard in Temora when I'm in QLD I'm told!), ASI & ALT;

*DR Mark D Maughmer winglets, these were specifically designed for the Cirrus 
wingtip - giving a claimed/researched, 4% advantage to performance;

*Mountain High O2 EDS system, big tank with custom install;

*Interior has had a full make over, sporting the latest Schempp-Hirth shades. 
Easy to maintain & clean. Airflow is strong in the cockpit due to the vent 
system below.

*Pirka & Storka, Electric Bug Wipers, including low drag fiberglass blades. 
Simple & easy to use. This system has never failed on me since install (3 yrs);

*Extract vent (within the inspection panel), with accompanying scoop to direct 
the air exactly where I want it to go. GQT's cockpit is arguably quieter than a 
new glider out of the factory. Glider is fully race sealed;

*16m tips

*Trailer is very functional, travels great.


Cheers,
Adam Woolley
go_soar...@hotmail.com
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale - Borgelt B500 Vario with Nav and final glide

[Greg Wilson]

For Sale - Borgelt B500 Vario $550
Meter with pointer and high brightness LEDs to indicate increasing and 
decreasing climb as well as fly fast/slow
Audio output, Display/control unit with SD Card socket for uploading turnpoints
Separate GPS aerial that can be mounted in optimal position
Additional PDA/PNA board that can be used to output live data to a PNA or 
logger or for flight declaration

Display unit shows average lift in climb mode as well as graph of recent climb 
rate
Cruise mode displays Netto or relative Netto for last 20 seconds, Macready 
setting & Speed to fly
Nav mode displays next Turnpoint name, distance and bearing, Glide 
surplus/deficit & Wind speed & direction and following turnpoint.
With no turnpoints selected above info is to takeoff location

Modular system, so easy to mount in smaller instrument panel -meter only 115 mm 
deep, display 30 mm high x 82 mm wide x 30 mm deep easily attaches to front of 
panel between other instruments. Can be upgraded to B800 version if required.

Please contact me off list or ph 0400 438038




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Re: [Aus-soaring] For Sale

[Simon Hackett]

Its ok, Tim, for precisely that reason :)

On 16 Oct 2014, at 5:05 pm, Tim Shirley  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm never sure if it is OK to do this or not, but it is at least related to 
> gliding :)
> 
> For Sale:
> 
> DISCUS A VH-GLE (D1). 3,000 hours (no survey required till 6,000) and Form 2 
> current to Aug 2015.  
> 
> This glider has done a 1000k, a 790k last season and is a proven competition 
> winner – she won Standard Class at the Nationals only 6 years ago against 
> LS8’s and Discus 2’s. 
> 
> Very good condition.   Epikote paint, winglets, Dittel radio, OzFlarm, basic 
> instruments (others negotiable), good trailer, towout gear.  Always hangared.
> 
> Currently located at Benalla.  $46,000 or offer.  Call Tim Shirley 0417 268 
> 073 or tshir...@internode.on.net.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim Shirley
> 
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale

[Tim Shirley]

Hi all,

I'm never sure if it is OK to do this or not, but it is at least related 
to gliding :)


For Sale:

DISCUS A VH-GLE (D1). 3,000 hours (no survey required till 6,000) and 
Form 2 current to Aug 2015.


This glider has done a 1000k, a 790k last season and is a proven 
competition winner -- she won Standard Class at the Nationals only 6 
years ago against LS8's and Discus 2's.


Very good condition. Epikote paint, winglets, Dittel radio, OzFlarm, 
basic instruments (others negotiable), good trailer, towout gear.Always 
hangared.


Currently located at Benalla.$46,000 or offer. Call Tim Shirley 0417 268 
073 or tshir...@internode.on.net.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Erich Wittstock]

*So what is the overwhelming reason for Australia to do something
different?
*
*
Mike*


A compass needle aligns with the magnetic field lines of the Earth - it
does not point necessarily to the North pole.
A compass needle requires to be weighted differently in the Northern and
Southern hemisphere to counteract the magnetic inclination.
That's why we have "Northern" and "Southern" Hemisphere magnetic compass'
in our gliders.
A "Northern" hemisphere's compass needle end (or disk vector) would just
have the Southern end pointing down until it touches its casing - it won't
work!

However, ASI's will still work in the "Northern" and "Southern" hemisphere.
The influences are more subtle.
The Winter company builds precision instruments for sailplanes. The number
built is rather small compared to car speedometers (just ask Mike how many
varios he sells!)
Winter would have to built ASI's that spin anti-clock wise but the
production run is too small - there a lots more sailplanes in the Northern
hemisphere compared to the Southern hemisphere.
The requirement to counteract the Coriolis force acting differently here in
the Southern hemisphere is overcome by the requirement to extend the ASI's
range 20 knots past VNE.

Anything is possible - that's why I bought a lottery ticket. I reckon I
would look good in a 31!
:-)
E

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Mike Borgelt <
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:

>  Here's the relevant part of CS22 regarding airspeed indicators:
>
> CS 22.1323 Air-speed indicating system
> (a) The air-speed indicating system must be
> calibrated to indicate true air-speed at sea-level
> in standard atmosphere with a maximum pitot-
> static error not exceeding ± 8 km/h or ± 5%
> whichever is greater, throughout the following
> speed range 1·2 VS to VNE, and with wing-flaps
> neutral and air brakes closed.
> (b) Calibration must be made in flight.
> (c) The air-speed indicating system must be suitable for speeds between
> VS0 and at least 1·05 times VNE
>
> So a glider like that ASH31Mi with a Vne of 152KIAS needs an ASI capable
> of reading to at least 159.6 KIAS so the standard Winter ASI which reads to
> 160 knots would be adequate.
>
> So what is the overwhelming reason for Australia to do something
> different?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Mike Borgelt]

Here's the relevant part of CS22 regarding airspeed indicators:

CS 22.1323 Air-speed indicating system
(a) The air-speed indicating system must be
calibrated to indicate true air-speed at sea-level
in standard atmosphere with a maximum pitot-
static error not exceeding ± 8 km/h or ± 5%
whichever is greater, throughout the following
speed range 1·2 VS to VNE, and with wing-flaps
neutral and air brakes closed.
(b) Calibration must be made in flight.
(c) The air-speed indicating system must be 
suitable for speeds between VS0 and at least 1·05 times VNE


So a glider like that ASH31Mi with a Vne of 
152KIAS needs an ASI capable of reading to at 
least 159.6 KIAS so the standard Winter ASI which 
reads to 160 knots would be adequate.


So what is the overwhelming reason for Australia to do something different?

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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Mike Borgelt]

See my post at 5:41 PM


Mike



At 07:07 PM 9/09/2013, you wrote:

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There is another V speed above Vne that a qualified test pilot is 
allowed to fly the aircraft to during testing.


Due to a very slow internet I am unable to find the authoritive 
source, but it is out there.


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It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should 
tighten you harness and put your head forward in preparation for 
kissing your arse goodbye!


Michael

On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt 
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> 
wrote:


Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that 
high at all useful?
It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement 
not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross 
weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a 
recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying.


Which you aren't meant to do in Australia.

Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the 
engineering justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. 
Or is this plucked from the nether regions during some meeting?


Mike







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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Sean Jorgensen-Day]

There is another V speed above Vne that a qualified test pilot is allowed to 
fly the aircraft to during testing. 

 

Due to a very slow internet I am unable to find the authoritive source, but it 
is out there.

 

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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

 

It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten 
you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse 
goodbye!

Michael


On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> > wrote:


Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all 
useful?
It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to 
exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross 
weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery from 
an unusual attitude when cloud flying.

Which you aren't meant to do in Australia.

Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering 
justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked 
from the nether regions during some meeting?

Mike









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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Michael Scutter]

It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten 
you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse 
goodbye!

Michael

On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt  wrote:

> 
> Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all 
> useful?
> It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to 
> exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross 
> weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery 
> from an unusual attitude when cloud flying.
> 
> Which you aren't meant to do in Australia.
> 
> Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering 
> justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked 
> from the nether regions during some meeting?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Mike Borgelt]

Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high 
at all useful?
It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement 
not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross 
weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a 
recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying.


Which you aren't meant to do in Australia.

Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering 
justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this 
plucked from the nether regions during some meeting?


Mike







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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Future Aviation]

Hello all
 
I noticed that the subject of ASI labelling on new gliders is coming up
every few months or so.
 
To put members of this newsgroup at ease it should be said that Schleicher
already complies 
with the requirement after Ian Mc Phee made a corresponding suggestion some
time ago. 
 
New Schleicher gliders come with ASIs which indicate 20 kts above Vne
(usually 170 kts). 
 
Kind regards to all
 
Bernard Eckey
10 Antigua Grove
West Lakes 5021
South Australia
Ph/Fax 08-84492871
Mobile 0412 981 204
ec...@internode.on.net 
 

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Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 5:28 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31


Glider is EASA approved, instruments are EASA standard.

For safety reasons, we don't allow pilots to self launch when hiring a
glider from us. 

Grietje



On 9/09/13 9:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:


At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote:


And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts.
Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with
markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE.

To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at
170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and
costs noting extra (just ask)

Ian McPhee
PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to
be getting it right.
.   



So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is the
whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product on the
Winter website.

So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider is
designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification to 5%
over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to me to be
adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the ASI this one
seems to be.

So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different
requirement? No doubt our Australian air is "different".

Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? Engine not
working? 

Mike








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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Grietje Wansink]

Glider is EASA approved, instruments are EASA standard.

For safety reasons, we don't allow pilots to self launch when hiring a
glider from us.

Grietje


On 9/09/13 9:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote:
>> And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts.
>> Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI
>> with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE.
>>
>> To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark
>> at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10
>> years and costs noting extra (just ask)
>>
>> Ian McPhee
>> PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1
>> seem to be getting it right.
>> .  
>
> So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is
> the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product
> on the Winter website.
>
> So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider
> is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification
> to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to
> me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the
> ASI this one seems to be.
>
> So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different
> requirement? No doubt our Australian air is "different".
>
> Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow?
> Engine not working?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Mike Borgelt]

At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote:
And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. 
Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI 
with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE.


To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a 
mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 
10 years and costs noting extra (just ask)


Ian McPhee
PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 
seem to be getting it right.

.


So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or 
is the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard 
product on the Winter website.


So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider 
is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during 
certification to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne 
would seem to me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max 
reading on the ASI this one seems to be.


So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different 
requirement? No doubt our Australian air is "different".


Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? 
Engine not working?


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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[jonoh]

If the buyer goes 20 knots over VNE would you be happy to replace the glider?

From: Grietje Wansink 
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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

If someone needs 20kts over VNE with the glider I am happy to replace the 
instrument.

Grietje



On 9/09/13 12:19 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote:

  And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly 
speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on 
ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. 

  To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 
170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs 
noting extra (just ask)

  Ian McPhee
  PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to 
be getting it right.
  .   



  On 9 September 2013 06:28, Mike Borgelt  
wrote:

That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to integrate 
the flight recorder into your soaring instruments.

Mike



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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Grietje Wansink]

If someone needs 20kts over VNE with the glider I am happy to replace
the instrument.

Grietje


On 9/09/13 12:19 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote:
> And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts.
> Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI
> with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE.
>
> To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark
> at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years
> and costs noting extra (just ask)
>
> Ian McPhee
> PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1
> seem to be getting it right.
> .   
>
>
> On 9 September 2013 06:28, Mike Borgelt
>  > wrote:
>
> That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to
> integrate the flight recorder into your soaring instruments.
>
> Mike
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

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And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts.
Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with
markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE.

To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at
170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and
costs noting extra (just ask)

Ian McPhee
PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem
to be getting it right.
.


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>  That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to integrate
> the flight recorder into your soaring instruments.
>
> Mike
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>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31

[Mike Borgelt]

That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to 
integrate the flight recorder into your soaring instruments.


Mike



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Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale: Carbon Nimbus 2c VH-GAW

[Robert Hart]

  
  
On 22/04/12 18:16, Mark Newton wrote:

  End of an era, eh?
  

Don't make me feel guiltier than I already do - it feels almost like
I am selling one of my children!
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+61 (0)438 385 533   http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

  

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[Aus-soaring] For sale: Carbon Nimbus 2c VH-GAW

[Robert Hart]

Hi folks

As I have decided to buy a new glider, my gorgeous carbon Nimbus 2c 
(Alice in Wonderland) is for sale.


   2-pack paint on fuselage/tail, gel coat on wings
   Winglets
   Comprehensive instrument panel: Vega/Altair/FLARM, large altimeter
   and ASI, Borgelt vario as backup, XCOM radio, EW recorder
   Good trailer

Alice flies beautifully and is an excellent XC glider - capable of 
staying up late in the day in weak lift yet able to fly fast when fully 
ballasted. She has won days in state and national open class 
competitions in the last few years, beating Nimbus 4s and ASH25s. Her 
trailing edge flap/brakes provide are significantly better than the 
standard brakes on the original Nimbus 2 - and of course she has a 
standard (not all flying) tail.


I am selling because I do not wish to be in paddocks in my later years 
in gliding - hence a turbo seems to be the way to go.


Please contact me off-list to discuss further!

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Robert Hart  ha...@interweft.com.au
+61 (0)438 385 533   http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

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[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Winter Vario, 80mm

[Adam Woolley]

Hello All,

As per the subject line, $350 inc postage!


Regards,
Adam Woolley
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[Aus-soaring] For sale or lease

[gavin wrigley]

Expressions of interest sought (again!)

VH-GIK, B/C Falke with 1700 limbach. V. good condition. Only 150 hours engine 
time.

King VHF/Transponder, Strobe, GPS, Jaxida canopy cover, Tasman Vario. Oil 
cooler.

Located Darwin. Available mid May.

Gavin Wrigley 
  
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale Discus A TOP

[Chris]

Discus A TOP Self Launch or Pure Sailplane - your choice

VH-GUF, Excellent condition, 2220 hrs, 22 engine hrs

Refinished in Ferro Gellcoat, M&H winglets and standard tips

Borgelt B2000 / B500, Becker Radio, Good trailer & tow out gear,

$75,000, Ph Chris 08 94548977, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale: Foka 5R

[Caleb White]

Hi folks,

Please excuse the advertisement but my Dad's much loved and unique  
Foka 5R is for sale.


Unlike the standard Foka 5 she has been modified (many years ago -  
all approved); the skid was removed and a (R)etractable main wheel  
fitted. 2320 hours total time - very good condition. The wings have  
just been refinished (with fabric) and she has a functional enclosed  
trailer.


$9000 ONO

Please contact Mark White on 0400071950 or email on  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if interested.


Cheers,

Caleb
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale - Cambridge GPS/NAV, LNAV and electric vario

[Robert Hart]

Hi

I am updating Alice's instrumentation and will no longer need the above 
system.


The Cambridge system still works beautifully and will be available in 
July (when Alice goes in for a major refit).


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Re: [Aus-soaring] For Sale - Nimbus 3-25.5

[Jim Staniforth]

N3 price is now AU$60,000.
See www.wingsandwheels.com
More photos available.
 Nimbus 3-25.5. 1982 SN 18 (former XX, 7V) 1400 hours. Refinished 6 years ago 
with Simtec polyester gelcoat. Factory tailwheel. Tilt-up panel. Custom baggage 
compartment. Wedekind sleeves in fuselage. 5-point Schroth harness. 2x 8A/H 
batteries. Relief tube. Excellent tiedown points. Sage SV, S-NAV, GPS-20, 3950 
w/WinPilot 7, AR3201 w/gooseneck mic, OzFLARM. Aerox 400 w/MH filling station. 
Tow gear. 4 wing stands. EMFO covers. Pfeiffer trailer w/ 2004 ALKO axle and 
hyd. brakes.
Current EXP CofA and Form 2. Located at Lake Keepit. AU$60,000, will consider 
shares.
Jim +1 661 428-2028 
staniforthjim?yahoo?com (replace questionable bits with the usual)


   
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale - Nimbus 3-25.5

[Jim Staniforth]

Nimbus 3-25.5. 1982 SN 18 (former XX, 7V) 1400 hours. Refinished 6 years ago 
with Simtec polyester gelcoat. Factory tailwheel. Tilt-up panel. Custom baggage 
compartment. Wedekind sleeves in fuselage. 5-point Schroth harness. 2x 8A/H 
batteries. Relief tube. Excellent tiedown points. Sage SV, S-NAV, GPS-20, 3950 
w/WinPilot 7, AR3201 w/gooseneck mic, OzFLARM. Aerox 400 w/MH filling station. 
Tow gear. 4 wing stands. EMFO covers. Pfeiffer trailer w/ 2004 ALKO axle and 
hyd. brakes.
Current EXP CofA and Form 2. Located at Lake Keepit. AU$70,000, will consider 
shares.
Jim +1 661 428-2028 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale - LS4, CQN

[Chris Marel]

Begin forwarded message:From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 9 July 2006 11:35:16 AMSubject: For Sale - LS4, CQN LS4a, CQN - Expressions of interest are invited for this aircraft which is the property of a deceased estate.  Previously owned by Eric Sweet for the past 20 years.  The complete package is offered with Thompson trailer, Cambridge S NAV, chute, current Form 2 and all ground handling gear and equipment.Please make enquiries to Armin Kruger on 02-9589 , 0409-709 603, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___
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Re: [Aus-soaring] For Sale: Stemme S10-VT

[Simon Hackett]

David Lawley wrote:


Almost like remmington ad init?


He liked the planes so much, he became the agent(-:
 


And absolutely correct :)

They're still in a class of their own.

Cheers,
Simon
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RE: [Aus-soaring] For Sale: Stemme S10-VT

[David Lawley]

Almost like remmington ad init?


He liked the planes so much, he became the agent(-:


Thought for the day:
Ian Thorpes replacement in the Commonwealth games has got some big shoes to
fill-in more ways than one!

David Lawley
Computer Manager
Elizabeth Park Primary School 
Elizabeth East Primary School
 
 
 
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Simon Hackett
> Sent: Friday, 17 March 2006 7:04 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] For Sale: Stemme S10-VT
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If you or someone you know is interested in a much loved and 
> highly optioned second hand Stemme S10-VT, please take a look 
> at the following
> page:
> 
> http://www.stemme.com.au/forsale
> 
> I've got a new S10-VT on the way to Australia shortly (with 
> dual screen EFIS style glass cockpit, believe it or not - 
> where is the world coming to?).
> 
> As a result, the current demonstrator is on the market.
> 
> Full details on the web site noted above.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Simon Hackett
> 
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[Aus-soaring] For Sale: Stemme S10-VT

[Simon Hackett]

Hi all,

If you or someone you know is interested in a much loved and highly 
optioned second hand Stemme S10-VT, please take a look at the following 
page:


http://www.stemme.com.au/forsale

I've got a new S10-VT on the way to Australia shortly (with dual screen 
EFIS style glass cockpit, believe it or not - where is the world coming 
to?).


As a result, the current demonstrator is on the market.

Full details on the web site noted above.

Regards,

 Simon Hackett


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[Aus-soaring] For Sale Radios

[Michael Coates]

Hello guys, just received two Microair radios as a
trade in on new XCOMS   

Both about 6 months use in Pipistrel aircraft.

For sale for $700 each

Contact Michael Coates on 0418 168 665 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [aus-soaring] For Sale

[Steve Garlick]

Graham,
 
Did your Scheibe Falke 27M sell?
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Garlick

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 8:41
  Subject: [aus-soaring] For Sale
  SCHEIBE FALKE 27M series A, VH-GYXSingle seat self 
  launching sailplane, retractable engine. Max L/D 34:1 at 44 knots, min. sink 
  2.3 ft/sec at 40 knots. Span 15 metres, wing loading 31.9 kg/sq.m. VNE: 107 
  knots, V rough air, 89 knots. Empty weight 295 kg, gross 387 kg. One of six in 
  Australia.Very low hours; engine 34 hrs, airframe 225 hrs. Rate of 
  climb 400 ft/mim. Engine: Hirth F10 A 26 hp at 5000 rpm, 4 cylinder two 
  stroke, reduction gearbox, 1.865:1. Fuselage: steel tube, fibreglass covering 
  back to wing leading edge, then fabric. Wing: wood main spar, ribs at 100 mm 
  centres, 2mm ply covering beyond spar, then fabric, Wortmann laminar aerofoil 
  retained. CG hook only in front of faired fixed main wheel. Good handling 
  under power and gliding. Endurance: 2.5 hours from 20 litre tank. Registered 
  German fibreglass trailer with spare wheel, needs some TLC. Tow out 
  gear.Thirty yearly due. Syndicate dissolving. Located Sydney. Price 
  $20 000 ono. Photos available.Contact: Graham Holland, 02 9427 3282. 
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr Graham HollandDepartment of 
  Architecture, Planning and Allied ArtsUniversity of SydneyNSW 
  2006Australiae-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ph: 612 9427 
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[aus-soaring] For Sale

[LKDodd]

I have secondhand, a 57mm Winter mechanical vario ($300) and a
 Cambridge CNav 50 electric vario/flight computer($500) for sale.

Both in good condition.

Luke Dodd 



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[aus-soaring] For sale

[LKDodd]

I have an astir CS, GDF for sale. 1070 hours, 580 landings. Always
 privately owned. Excellent history, with very good trailer and
 fittings.  Good instruments.

regards luke dodd


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[aus-soaring] For Sale

[Catherine Conway]

Hi guys

The time has come

FOR SALE

ES60 Boomerang  VH-GQZ (known affectionately as QueeZy)
Serial Number 85 Mk1  June 1966

30 yearly complete
Completely refurbished by current owners and covered with Stits 
fabric.  Nice paint scheme.

Tinted Canopy and spare clear canopy (never fitted)

Lined cockpit.

Set up for competition - same performance as a PW5.

Instruments:
Borgelt B21,24,25 (the last 25 ever made).
Microair 760 radio
Very good Asi, altimeter and mechanical vario

Tow out gear, tie down kit, parachute, enclosed trailer (the trailer 
does need some minor work which I'll try get to soon)

Two people can rig it in about 15 mins.

Photos available at the following

http://www.auscom.com.au/Cath/QZ.jpg - taken a few years ago at AUGC 
before tinted canopy was fitted.

http://www.auscom.com.au/Cath/Benalla2000/QZpanel.jpg - instrument 
panel and interior

http://www.auscom.com.au/Cath/Benalla2000/QZflying.jpg - instrument 
panel while flying

We've owned this glider for 13 years.  In that time we've covered 
heaps of XC kms including several 500 km flights, taken it to camps 
and competitions across the country and had a lot of fun.

It won the Vintage Gliding Association Schneider trophy in 1996 for 
best restored Schneider glider.

It's for sale because all syndicate members have families and 
therefore less time than they had, and most have another glider too 
so there is not enough time to look after QueeZy and give it the love 
and attention it deserves.

Its given us cheap flying and would be a great first glider for 
someone while still offering them the chance to do everything from 
local flying to Vintage meets to National Sports class.

Enquires to me.  Mobile 0429 803 705, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Cath

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[aus-soaring] For Sale Jantar Std 3

[John Orton]

Our much loved VH-XJE a  Jantar Std 3 is offered for sale.


Radio Terra Tx720 with boom microphone, Audio vario and speed director B21 &
B24, Trailer with excellent fittings, Tow out gear, Dual battery system,
Super Snood canopy cover and full set of factory covers. Never pranged and
always kept in a  hanger.

This glider has done a  750km  flight and is in top condition.  $39000.

Optional A14A pressure demand Oxygen system also available.

Contact John Orton Phone Hm: 0893644744 Mob: 0418900494

Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards
John Orton


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[aus-soaring] For Sale Std Cirrus

[Chris & Daryl]

 For Sale

VH-GZU   Standard Cirrus,   complete package for sale

Completely refurbished, and overhauled in 2000.

Rittner double blade dive brakes
Custom Winglets
Tail Wheel Assembly
New Blue tinted canopy
New upholstery and detailed cockpit
Borgelt B100 air data computer with Integrated GPS
Micro air 760 Transceiver
Boom Microphone
Rewebbed lap harness
Fully functional ballast tanks (resealed)
New wiring and Pneumatics throughout
Custom instrument panel with T&B
New Airpath compass
Upgraded tow release modification (Cirrus 75)
Competition sealed ( push rod seals )
New trailer and fittings complete (enclosed colour bond )
Supplied with ground handling equipment

All this for $25,000 firm

Looks Great, Goes well !
Winner of West Australian State Competitions 2001

All enquires to Chris Runeckles

Tel 08 94548977
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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[aus-soaring] For Sale Std Cirrus (Australia)

[Chris & Daryl]

For Sale

 VH-GZU

Standard Cirrus,   complete package for sale

Completely refurbished, and overhauled in 2000.

Rittner double blade dive brakes
Custom Winglets
Tail Wheel Assembly
New Blue tinted canopy
New upholstery and detailed cockpit
Borgelt B100 air data computer with Integrated GPS
Micro air 760 Transceiver
Boom Microphone
Rewebbed lap harness
Fully functional ballast tanks (resealed)
New wiring and Pneumatics throughout
Custom instrument panel with T&B
New Airpath compass
Upgraded tow release modification (Cirrus 75)
Competition sealed ( push rod seals )
New trailer and fittings complete (enclosed colour bond )
Supplied with ground handling equipment

All this for $25,000 firm

Looks Great, Goes well !
Winner of West Australian State Competitions 2001

All enquires to Chris Runeckles

Tel 08 94548977
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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