Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Baptista Cordeiro
Thank you Margaret. I was reading what I now know as (thanks to you) coroa tocou as one word co???to-cou. No wonder I couldn't figure it out even though the handwriting is very nice. Bill On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 5:53:07 AM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, The word is coroa CROWN. Our Lady of Miracles was invoked as the Godmother and they touched the baby's head with her crown. That was one of the practice's up to this day. Not very common but usually based on a faith promise e.g. if the baby is healthy and all goes well Our Lady will be the Godmother. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:28 AM, bsei...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I found the baptism of my wife's paternal grandfather João Baptista Cordeiro in Urzelina, São Jorge Island but I am struggling to read was written for his madrinha. I have the padrinho as Antonio Machado Lisboa, but for madrinha it looks like instead of a name it has a invocação de Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, com cuja c*???* na cabeça do baptizado I can't make out the word(s) between cuja and na cabeça, but I think I have the rest correct. Can someone correct what I have, fill in the blank, or explain this to me. I haven't seen this before. Are they praying for help in determining a madrinha? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1890-1899/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1890-1899_item1/P61.html It is João, starting on lower left and continuing on the right side. Thanks, Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] João Baptista Cordeiro
I found the baptism of my wife's paternal grandfather João Baptista Cordeiro in Urzelina, São Jorge Island but I am struggling to read was written for his madrinha. I have the padrinho as Antonio Machado Lisboa, but for madrinha it looks like instead of a name it has a invocação de Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, com cuja c*???* na cabeça do baptizado I can't make out the word(s) between cuja and na cabeça, but I think I have the rest correct. Can someone correct what I have, fill in the blank, or explain this to me. I haven't seen this before. Are they praying for help in determining a madrinha? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1890-1899/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1890-1899_item1/P61.html It is João, starting on lower left and continuing on the right side. Thanks, Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of João Baptista Cordeiro, Urzelina, 1852
I'm now having trouble with my wife's great-grandfather's baptism. It seems to say they married (recebidos) on the island of S. Miguel without naming a parish (not very helpful), but then places this parish (from São Jorge) on S. Miguel island also. João, filho de Francisco José Cordeiro e de sua mulher Maria Izabel, recebidos na ilha de S. Miguel e freguêses desta Parochial de São Matheus de lugar de Urzelina desta ilha de *S. Miguel.* http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html third record on the left Am I missing something? Thanks, Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] José D'Utra Pacheco da Silva , Ribeirinha, Terceira
Was it common for someone to assume the name of godparents rather than parents? Could they choose whatever name best suited them? I finally got a handle on the family of my maternal grandfather, John Dutra. I knew his parents (my mother's paternal grandparents) lived in Feteira in 1930 and were neighbors of my mother's maternal grandparents (Ventura Pacheco de Mello and Felicidade from São Miguel) when these two sets of parents arranged for their children to marry in California. John was already in California and my grandmother emigrated from Feteira to marry him. In 1940 my grandmother was a widow with 5 kids and all contact with the Dutra side was lost. As it turned out my grandfather's family was in Feteira for many generations, but on discovering his baptism I found that his father was José D'Utra Pacheco da Silva but none of his grandparents had any form of Dutra or Pacheco. His paternal grandmother's family did have Silva. This baptism can be found here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P228.html (first entry) Then I found his father's baptism which confirmed the paternal grandparents names which did not include Dutra or Pacheco, but the padrinhos are listed as José Dutra P.° (Pacheco?) son of Theodoro Dutra, and his daughter Maria Augusto Dutra who lived in the city of Angra. It is the first baptism on this page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1845-1857/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1845-1857_item1/P117.html Thanks for any insight the group can offer. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] José D'Utra Pacheco da Silva , Ribeirinha, Terceira
Thank you. That paper is very in formative and at least a little disconcerting. Bill -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeirinha (Terceira) Óbitos missing years
Óbitos from Ribeirinha (Terceira) from 1880 to 1887 seem to be missing. The link below is labeled 1880-1889, but only contains records from 1888 and 1889. Are the missing years unavailable? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1880-1889/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1880-1889_item1/index.html Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Observation word in passports
I think it says escreve (writes). Two pages before this there is an observation of Não escreve and this looks like the same word. Bill Seidler On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 7:20:04 AM UTC-8, Kathy Andrade Cardoza wrote: There is a word listed under Observations in the passport columns. It looks something like escrena .. i'm sure that's not it. Does anyone know what it is and what it means? Thanks, Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb Our Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/Kathy/index.php http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport questions
Garços is a blue-green eye color (my wife is a native speaker but had to look this word up). He is a farm worker (lavrador). Escala pela ilha Terceira means he has a stopover in Terceira. This may mean that unlike other passengers he will disembark while the ship is at port on Terceira for some reason and board again before it leave. I'm not really sure. Bill Seidler On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-8, Eleanor wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P34.html June 30, 1910 #412 Manuel Garcia Moitozo I found this passport for my grandmother’s brother which was especially exciting because he was traveling with another brother and sister. But there are few questions I hope someone can answer for me. What was his profession? It looks like his eyes are “graces”, what color is that? I think the comment at the end states that they are leaving from the island of Terceira, is that correct? I really appreciate not only help on this passport, but also for all I have learned from following this message board. Thanks. Eleanor -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] John Dutra baptism
What would be the source for the date of birth information on the California Death Registry? Is it simply word from family members or based on some kind of passport or other documentation. I am hoping the attached baptism is my grandfather, but some dates are causing me grief. After searching extensively for my grandfathers baptism based on a 15 Aug 1905 date of birth as recorded in the California Death registry in 1940, I finally found what I believe to be his baptism, but the date of birth is 20 Dec 1904. since I didn't know where he was born, I think I searched from 15 Aug to the end of the year for many of the parishes in the entire central island group starting with Ribeirinha since I knew he lived there once. Now if find that one more click to get me to the first baptism of 1905 after finishing 1904 and I would have found this a year ago. The baptism is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P228.html Pasted below is the California death registry information from Familysearch.org I also note the mother's name is listed as Dejesus, but his mother in the baptism is Maria da Esperança. Name:*John Dutra* https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VG58-JZ2 Event Type: Death Event Date: 09 Oct 1940 Event Place: Orange, California, United States Birth Date: 15 Aug 1905 Birthplace: Other Country Gender: Male Father's Name:*Dutra* https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VG58-JZL Mother's Name: *Dejesus* https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VG58-JZG Thanks for any insight or advice, Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Mãe Incongnita?
Just ran across this while looking for something else. It is João starting on the lower left. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1891-1900/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1891-1900_item1/P81.html Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco/a Dutra, Ribeirinha, Terceira: Gender identity disorder?
I thought I found the baptism of my grandfather's older brother Francisco; but if I understand the margin note correctly I actually found his older sister, Francisca. On the record for Francisco (center left), does the margin note say that the record was corrected [almost 42 years after the fact] to change the name Francisco to Francisca and the sex from male to female? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P5.html Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco/a Dutra, Ribeirinha, Terceira: Gender identity disorder?
For the record, I found the real Francisco Dutra two years later. This one seems to have stayed Francisco and male. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P125.html Bill On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 9:08:52 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Bill S, Looks that way to me. I don't understand how they can mess up the sex of the baby. They must have had the hard liquor out at your ancestor's baptism! :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antonio Inacio da Silva 1849 baptism record
I believe it says he died on 30 Jun 1935 in São Pedro, Ponta Delgada. I believe it then says there was a fee (emolumento) of 1.50 and it appears this was recorded in São Roque do Pico on 20 July 1935. Bill Seidler On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 7:18:09 AM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTOAMARO-B-1821-1860/PIC-SR-SANTOAMARO-B-1821-1860_item1/P116.html The baptism record on the bottom right page is for my great grandfather Antonio Inacio da Silva. There is writing in the margin to the left of the baptism. I can see dates and places, but I don't understand what the notation is about. Will someone help me with the note in the margin? Thank you very much -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Boaventura/Ventura
Hi Lee. Your cousin's great grandfather's name was simply Ventura. I am the one that gave you the name Boaventura some time ago, but now that we have the benefit of his baptismal record we know that Ventura was his given name. As I understand it, Boaventura is a more common given name because it is the name of a saint, and those with this name often go by Ventura. My wife's mother and grandmother knew him as Ventura, but I believe they mistakenly thought it was short for Boaventura so that is why I was told it was Boaventura. Finding his baptism proved otherwise. She said they used to joke that my great grandparents, Ventura and Felicidade de Mello were named good fortune and happiness (boa ventura e felicidade) even though they never quite found either. My wife's family knew my great grandparents because my wife's grandmother was my great grandmother's niece. Bill On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-8, Lee wrote: My cousins great grandfather was Boaventura but always used just Ventura as his name. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translate help
Status : solteira (single) Profession: governa domestica (housekeeper) Age: 27; Height: 1.62 meters Face: comprido (long) Hair, eyebrows, and eyes are all dark brown; nose and mouth are both regular (like everyone on the page) Color is listed as either normal or natural so she is not fair (claro) or dark (moreno) or a lighter dark (trigueiro) as are used for other people. She was destined for America and is from São João, Lajes do Pico. She is not showing anyone accompanying her. I think she has a scar on her forehead going towards her nose. On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P208.html I think this is what I was supposed to send.pg 0165 #521 No last name for her but everytime I've found her it's been Perpetua d Conceicao. But what does it say on right columns -- Forwarded message -- From: Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:34 PM Subject: translate help To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [image: Inline image 1] Can someone translate the entire line 5 Perpetua da Conceicao for me. I'm praying this is ggrandmother. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translate help
Oh and she cannot read/write and her ship is the Veronica. On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:07:55 AM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: Status : solteira (single) Profession: governa domestica (housekeeper) Age: 27; Height: 1.62 meters Face: comprido (long) Hair, eyebrows, and eyes are all dark brown; nose and mouth are both regular (like everyone on the page) Color is listed as either normal or natural so she is not fair (claro) or dark (moreno) or a lighter dark (trigueiro) as are used for other people. She was destined for America and is from São João, Lajes do Pico. She is not showing anyone accompanying her. I think she has a scar on her forehead going towards her nose. On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 9:24:56 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P208.html I think this is what I was supposed to send.pg 0165 #521 No last name for her but everytime I've found her it's been Perpetua d Conceicao. But what does it say on right columns -- Forwarded message -- From: Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:34 PM Subject: translate help To: azo...@googlegroups.com azo...@googlegroups.com [image: Inline image 1] Can someone translate the entire line 5 Perpetua da Conceicao for me. I'm praying this is ggrandmother. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of child out of wedlock.
Once again, thank you Margaret for being so informative, insightful, and gracious. Bill -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Devotional names
Thank you all for your responses and examples that make it clear that there is no rule for second marriages for me to deposit into my knowledge bank. Margaret: The possibilities you offer make a lot of sense. Thanks for your insight. JR: I have made contact with N. Teixeira before and this Manuel Bernardo and Emilia Rosa are his GG grandparents through their son Jose. They are also my wife's through their daughter Rosa; mine through their daughter Felicidade; and of the cousin of Lee (from this group), also through their daughter Felicidade. Thanks again to all. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. Her age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second husband, 5 of which survived. Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names as she apparently did? Thanks again, Bill Seidler On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello, Texeira, Ventura, early 1900s
No Lee, since I decided to work on a master's degree I don't have time to tie my shoes. For the last year and a half everything I have is from lurking in this group and picking off what you find. I am fortunate to have someone so tenacious working on the same family as me...thank you very much! Bill On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:43:22 AM UTC-8, Lee wrote: Bill, Have you found marriage cords of either Jeronimo Pachecho de Mello or that of his father Ingnacio Pacheco de Mello yet? I found either yet (I did find the one for Ignacio's 2nd marriage in 1805). Lee On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:15:20 AM UTC-5, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: Lisa, Ventura and Felicidade de Mello are my great grandparents. Your grandfather, Joseph, was the youngest brother of my grandmother, Mary de Mello (later became Dutra, then Gomes). As Lee found out after the Rabo de Peixe records became available, the family used the compound surname Pacheco de Mello for three generations, but the Pacheco evolved to become the middle name after Ventura's immigration. I have scans of the 1948 Portuguese passports with their pictures that I can send you, along with some passenger manifests from 1903, 1916,.and 1948. I also have a passenger manifest for your grandfather from 1936 when he was 18 years old. It shows that he was en route to his sister, Mary Dutra (my grandmother) in Oakland. If you would like for me to send this information to you contact me at bsei2816 at gmail.com (no spaces). Bill Seidler On Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:18:16 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Lisa Berinti, lmdemello1 at gmail.com My name is Lisa, my maiden name is De Mello. I'm trying to do some research on my paternal grandfather's side. His name was Joseph De Mello he was born January 17, 1918. His father was Ventura De Mello and Felicdae Teixeria. I have some questions as to where he went from Pacheco to De Mello? Also do you still have the scan of Ventura's passport? I also found a lady that was born in 1893 named Isabella De Mello. Which was conincidental because that is my daughter's name. She was born in Honolulu. I'm trying to draw a possible family connection to her? Out of curiosity, how are you related to Ventura? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello, Texeira, Ventura, early 1900s
Lisa, Ventura and Felicidade de Mello are my great grandparents. Your grandfather, Joseph, was the youngest brother of my grandmother, Mary de Mello (later became Dutra, then Gomes). As Lee found out after the Rabo de Peixe records became available, the family used the compound surname Pacheco de Mello for three generations, but the Pacheco evolved to become the middle name after Ventura's immigration. I have scans of the 1948 Portuguese passports with their pictures that I can send you, along with some passenger manifests from 1903, 1916,.and 1948. I also have a passenger manifest for your grandfather from 1936 when he was 18 years old. It shows that he was en route to his sister, Mary Dutra (my grandmother) in Oakland. If you would like for me to send this information to you contact me at bsei2816 at gmail.com (no spaces). Bill Seidler On Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:18:16 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Lisa Berinti, lmdemello1 at gmail.com My name is Lisa, my maiden name is De Mello. I'm trying to do some research on my paternal grandfather's side. His name was Joseph De Mello he was born January 17, 1918. His father was Ventura De Mello and Felicdae Teixeria. I have some questions as to where he went from Pacheco to De Mello? Also do you still have the scan of Ventura's passport? I also found a lady that was born in 1893 named Isabella De Mello. Which was conincidental because that is my daughter's name. She was born in Honolulu. I'm trying to draw a possible family connection to her? Out of curiosity, how are you related to Ventura? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry.com free immigration searches
I tried this and it is genuine. I could view and download passport applications, naturalization applications, and passenger lists without even getting a sales pitch. Try to open anything else though and their sign up box opens. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: note on side margin
I read the baptism date as 18 August 1878 and the birthdate as 19 July 1878; but I think you were asking about the date of death written in the margin. I read this as 15 June 1941 or 1942. I tend to think 1942 more likely because of what looks like a dotted letter I. Bill Seidler On Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:32:15 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote: On lower left, for GIL Can anyone decipher the year this individual (GIL) died. I read he died in the parish of Sao Sebastao in Ponta Delgada and something about a fee and then a date but I can't figure out if it says 4 June !(?) the year. (At first I thought it said 1941 but I hope I'm wrong because there are no obits for that year on the CCA. ) Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. (I sent this email before but forgot to include the link.) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1870-1879_item1/P622.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo
I agree that it looks like a filho and wonder if the name might be Mario. It seems every capital M on the record has the same large loops and ends with a thick crescent at the lower right. This can be seen on the third line where Sam Miguel is written, but the best example is in the Cura's (Manuel?) signature at the end where the first letter looks nearly identical to the first letter of the record. I'm usually just a lurker, but this is the first time I think I see something different than what others have posted so I thought I'd chime in. Bill Seidler On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:18:31 AM UTC-7, Pam Santos wrote: Thanks On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:28 AM, celso95316 via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Hi There You could be right, but it looks like to me that it is a boy (filho). It could be Flavio or Claro-my guess. Celso Anacleto -Original Message- From: Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net javascript: To: azores azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Fri, May 2, 2014 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo It kind of looks like Clara. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Pam Santos To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:43 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo Need another set of eyes to see if anyone can decipher the name of child for the above couple, Its on Top left page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P107.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA - need clarification on a marriage record
Hi Lee, you have done a lot of work on your cousin's family. Is this from the Silva or De Mello line? Anyway, my wife says this is a title Alferes which is low ranking military officer. My dictionary translates it a 2nd Lieutenant and google translates it as ensign. Bill Seidler On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:53:03 AM UTC-7, Lee wrote: I need help/clarification on the marriage below: (left page, bottom/top of right page) Mel de Bettencourt de Avlia married Maria de Jesus de Bettencourt I am having a problem with Maria's fathers name. I can clearly see Manuel de Conde Sodre. What is the word directly befor name? Is this a name or a title? Also, the record looks like it says they are all of this parish; but I'm positive that I'm rading that correctly? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P48.html Thank you in advance for any help, etc. Lee Estep, Charleston, West Virginia -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo
I see the point with the a and now agree that is probably is filha. I still think it starts with an M like in the priests name at the end. Also the mother's name Maria is just below the child's name and really looks similar except that the I is not evident and the a is very heavy-handed. Manoel might have it correctly with Maria. Bill Seidler On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:22:44 PM UTC-7, Shirley Allegre wrote: It still looks like a girl to me. It says FILHA. also BAPTISADA. Check the a in Arruda. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: celso95316 via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo Hi There You could be right, but it looks like to me that it is a boy (filho). It could be Flavio or Claro-my guess. Celso Anacleto -Original Message- From: Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net javascript: To: azores azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Fri, May 2, 2014 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo It kind of looks like Clara. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Pam Santos To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:43 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child of Anacleto de Arruda and Maria da Natividad SM Vila Franca do Campo Need another set of eyes to see if anyone can decipher the name of child for the above couple, Its on Top left page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P107.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santo Espirito, Wedings 1849-1859 0038 - Help!
To me it looks like Fermiana. I never saw this name before but I found some with this name on a google search and they all had Portuguese names so it must exist. Bill Seidler On Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:16:40 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote: Can anyone understand the name of the bride's mother? I can tell that is something ... de Jesus, but I can't figure out the first name... Left side: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1849-1859/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1849-1859_item1/P38.html Thanks! Ângela Loura -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: baptismo record for Francisca de Medeiros
Paul, I am having the same problem with CCA as others have reported but your post piqued my curiosity because the location and more than one name coincides with my ancestors and wonder if you know of a link. I have not gone far enough back in CCA yet. My GG Grandmother is Emilia Rosa de Medeiros, wife of Manuel Bernardo Teixeira. Her baptism in Agua Retora in May 1846 lists her parents as Manuel Furtado, native of Nordenstinho and Felicanna de Medeiro, native of Agua Retorta. Paternal grandparents are listed as Manuel Furtado and Rosa de Medeiros. Maternal grandparents are Manuel Furtado Sardinha and Maria de Medeiros. Her marriage in Agua Retorta in 1871 lists the same parents but lists her father's name as Manuel Furtado de Medeiros instead of just Manuel Furtado and says they are from Agua Retorta. I would post the link to the baptism and marriage if referred to if CCA were up, but I can't. Bill Seidler On Saturday, March 1, 2014 2:52:51 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote: Hello All: I am hoping the attached is my GGG Grandmother Francisca de Medeiros's baptismo record. Her parents are Manoel/Manuel Furtado Tabias/Tobias Anna de Resende. The record in question is on the left. There is something written in the column with a date that looks like 18 January 1891? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_item1/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_JPG/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1793-1818_0129.jpg As always, thank you for your help. Paul G. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Question regarding Agua Retorta, Povoacao Casamentos
Wow! I really appreciate this post. Manuel Bernardo Teixeira is my great-great grandfather. He is also a g-g-grandfather to Neil Teixeira who I have conversed with before, to Lee's cousin, and to my wife. The only correction I would suggest is that his second wife is Emilia Rosa instead of Emilia Flora. I have seen baptisms for several of their children (Francisco in Agua Retorta 1871; Rosa in Agua Retorta in 1872 who is my wife's g-grandmother; Filomena in Agua Retorta in 1875; and Felicidade in 1887 in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada who is my g-grandmother. The name Emilia Rosa seems clear in all of them. I also know they had another son in 1880 or 81, Jose, who is Neil's g-grandfather but I'm not sure if that was before or after they moved from Agua Retorta to Sao Jose. I also know of one daughter from Manuel's first marriage to Anna Jacinta Botelho. She was Maria born in Agua Retorta in 1861 or 1862 and was the first immigrant from this family (that I know of) when she went to Cambridge, MA around 1889. Thank you very much! Bill Seidler On Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:58:26 PM UTC-8, Lee wrote: I curious about the casamentos records for Agua Retorta before 1835. Are there none? Or are they in another location? The baptismos back to 1819 are on the CCA for AR; but no casamentos? I'm trying to find the marriage of Bernardo Teixeira Nogueira and Victoria; who would have married before 1831. Lee, WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta
Thank you very much! In that case, she may very well have already been in Massachusetts and somebody just obtained a copy for her. Bill On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 1:44:21 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Note at the left margin says: A first certified copy was issued in February, 25, 1889, by Father Amaral. *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *Cheri Mello *Enviada:* terça-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2013 04:10 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta Bill S, Fantastic, you got the transcription correct! I'm not sure of what the word in between (in the margin) is. Someone else will answer! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta
By the way, my Portuguse vocabulary is quite limited. I know the word cópia. What is the word used for copy in this case? On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 1:44:21 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Note at the left margin says: A first certified copy was issued in February, 25, 1889, by Father Amaral. *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *Cheri Mello *Enviada:* terça-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2013 04:10 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta Bill S, Fantastic, you got the transcription correct! I'm not sure of what the word in between (in the margin) is. Someone else will answer! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta
Thanks again. Unfortunately the CCA passaportes site has years 1875-1883 and then 1894-1896. It seems to skip 1884-1893. On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 6:08:16 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: I do not think she was already left. There were very few motifs that led to copies of that nature. One of them was to fill the paper work for the authorization to get a passaport. If you look at the Passports issued around that time, may be you will find out that she was asking for a permit to live the Island. Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 03/09/2013, às 09:25, bsei...@gmail.com javascript: escreveu: Thank you very much! In that case, she may very well have already been in Massachusetts and somebody just obtained a copy for her. Bill On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 1:44:21 AM UTC-7, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Note at the left margin says: A first certified copy was issued in February, 25, 1889, by Father Amaral. *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *Em nome de *Cheri Mello *Enviada:* terça-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2013 04:10 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Teixeira of Agua Retorta Bill S, Fantastic, you got the transcription correct! I'm not sure of what the word in between (in the margin) is. Someone else will answer! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for birth, marriage, and death information on Sao Jorge
I was stationed on Terceira when I was in the air force. I seem to recall a small village called Santo Amaro just outside of Angra between Sao Bento and Ribeirinha. Bill -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] John Dutra
I am looking for any information on my grandfather John Dutra. He died in when my mother was just 7 years old so there has been no connection with his family. According to his death record on familysearch.org his was born 15 Aug 1905 in other country and died 9 Oct 1940 in Orange County, CA and his mother's name is listed as Dejesus. I know he immigrated prior to 1931 when my grandmother returned to the USA from Terceira to marry him. He married my grandmother, Mary Demello in California in 1931 or early 1932. My grandmother was born in Cambridge, MA in 1910 to Ventura Pacheco Demello and Felicidade Teixeira. In 1914 her family moved back to the Azores (Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel), then returned to Cambridge in 1916, only to return to the Azores again around 1922 where they settled in Feteira, Terceira. I am told that my grandmother's marriage was arranged between her parents and the parents of my grandfather who were neighbors in Feteira so this may be a clue as to where my grandfather immigrated from if he lived with his parents in Feteira. I am also told however by my grandmother's family that John Dutra's parents may not have been originally from Terceira. I know by birth records that my grandparents lived in Oakland when their first four children were born: Florence (1932), Mary Ann (1934), John (1935) Joseph (1937). They moved to Orange County and appear on the 1940 censuses on Walnut St in Seal Beach (name mispelled as Dutro) with my grandmother's brother Manuel also listed in the household. The birth of their fifth child, Victor, is recorded in Orange County in May 1940, then my grandfather died in October 1940 and my grandmother with her brother and her five children moved back to Oakland. The only promising hit I have found is in the 1930 census a John Dutra that was single and born in 1905 is listed in the household of his brother-in-law, Manuel Fernandez and his wife Anna in Castoria, CA If this is the right John Dutra my grandfather would have immigrated around 1917 and had a sister named Anna. My mother has told me that as a child she visited a family farm in Manteca (formerly known as Castoria). Bill -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Mello mystery
My great grandparents, Ventura Pacheco De Mello (Born 13 March 1885, Rabo de Peixe) and Felicidade Teixeira (born 24 Aug 1877, Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada) married in 1905 in Cambridge, Ma. I know them to have had three children. My grandmother, Mary (born 12 Apr 1910, Cambridge), Manuel (born 1913, Cambridge, and Joseph (born 1918, Cambridge). I can also see an unnamed mello child as dying in Cambridge in 1906 with them listed as parents. I know they lived in the Azores from 1914 to 1916 because they applied for emergency U.S. passports for their two American-born children (Mary and Manuel) in 1916 at the consulate in Ponta Delgada which say they last left the U.S. in 1914. They returned to Cambridge on 3 Feb 1916 on the Cretic. What puzzles me is the manifest shows them with three children--Mary, Manuel, and an 11-month old boy named Jose. The Ponta Delgada Passaporte lists also shows this child. My grandmother's younger brother Joseph's birth is listed as 17 Jan 1918 on his death record from Los Angeles in 1972 (I can't find his Massachusetts birth record) so he would not have been born yet. So who is this child that traveled in 1916? I consider most likely that this child died on or shortly after this voyage and my great grandparents gave their next child the same name. But if this is the case I can't find the death record in Massachusetts. I also considered that this child is my mother's Uncle Joe and his birth record was somehow falisfied to show that he is U.S. born, but that seems unlikely. I also considered that the child was not their child but someone they were protecting. This came to mind because the next person listed on the passenger manifest is Maria Maiato, a single 18-year-old woman who appears to be my great grandfather's niece. My great grandfather is listed as going to his brother Francisco P. Mello in Cambridge while Maria Maiato is listed as going to her uncle Francisco P. Mello in Cambridge. Maiato is the maiden name of my great-great grandmother. Any suggestions? Bill -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] MAIATO surname
My great grandfather was Ventura Pacheco de Mello of Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel. He was born in 1885 to Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Rita de Jesus Maiato of Rabo de Peixe. His maternal grandfather was listed as Manoel Costa Maiato. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Teixeira and Emilia Rosa de Medeiros - Ponta Delagda
Hello Cousin Neil, This is Bill Seidler in California and I am a great gandson of Felicidade Teixeira and her husband Ventura Pacheco Demello. I am interested in finding out more about the children of Manuel Bernardo Teixera who is apparently a GG Grandfather to both you and I? This is what I have from the CCA website: -- Manuel Bernardo Teixiera born 1831 to Bernardo Teixeira and Vitoria Maria in Agua Retorta -- He married Emilia Rosa de Medeiros 25 Jan 1871 in Agua Retorta Manuel Bernardo and Emilia Rosa had the following children that I have found in CCA: -- Francisco born Oct 1871 in Agua Retorta -- Rosa born Oct 1872 in Agua Retorta -- Filomena born Jan 1875 in Agua Retorta Sometime after 1875 they moved to Ponta Delgada (São José) and had more children there but those records are not on CCA. I obtained otherwise the baptism record of my great grandmonther Felicidade born to them Aug 1887 in São José, Ponta Delgada. I am unable to find the baptism record for your great grandfather, José, in Agua Retorta on CCA, but I am kind of new at this. Could they have already moved to Ponta Delgada? Do you know the immigration status of the oldest child, Francisco? I am told that Filomena immigrated to Massachusetts. My wife believes Rosa was the only of his children to not immigrate. Rosa, by the way, is my wife's great grandmother. So my wife, like you and I, is also a great great grandchild of the same Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa de Medeiros. My wife also believes there was another daughter that went to Massachusetts named Maria. Do you know anything about her? Bill On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:33:07 AM UTC-8, Neil Teixeira wrote: Hello Cousin Lee, Merry Christmas. This Neil Teixeira in California. Its a small world. Your Felicidade Conc Teixeira is the sister of my Jose Teixeira b. 18 Oct, 1880 in Ague Retorta. This 1880 Jose Teixeira immigrated to and stayed in California and worked as a ship painter. I've been working on our Teixeira line-forever-till the records ran out. The paternal male line tree.travels something like this: Bernardo Teixeira Nogueira Victoria Maria in Agua Retorta, then Jose Teixeira Nogueira b 1766 Benedita Jesus Pimental in NordestinhoAntonio Teixeira Pimental b. 1722 Quiteria Borges in Nordeste.Manuel Teixeira Nogueira b 1682 Anna Pimental in NordesteManual Nogueira b 1655 Anna Correa (Carrero) in NordesteManual Alves Nogueira Anna Teixeira in NordesteBelchior Alves Nogueira Maria Correia in Nordeste. The vital records then run out and are very hard to read. I've only found bits a pieces (in Nordeste) of the Nogueira and Teixeira lines. I believe (cannot prove it) on the Nogueira line we are connected to a Tome Nogueira Catharina Aveiro Luis Fonseca. And on the Teixeira lineto Manuel Vas Fazenda Ines Viegasthen to Joam Vas Teixeira...all of Nordeste..then (hopefully) to Tristao Vas Teixeira of Maderia Island. This is as far as I have gotten, I just cannot find the key document to tie us to either Madeira Island or the mainland. I hope this sheds some light on our trail. Happy New Year to everyone. Neil T. On Monday, December 24, 2012 7:20:58 PM UTC-8, Lee wrote: Have also just learned that my Felicidade da Conceicao Teixeira was the daughter of Manuel Teixeira and Emilia Rosa de Medeiros (who were natives of Agua Retorta - were married there according to Felicidade's baptism record) and was the paternal granddaughter of Bernardo Teixeira and Vitoria Maria ?? and the maternal granddaughter of Manuel Furtado Algarvio and Feliciana de Medeiros. Also curious to know if anyone recognizes any of these people? Lee, WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rapozo, Teixeira, Furtado, Cabral, Caldeira from Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel island
Thanks. I guess Maria de Jesus Teixeira is not one of the grandparents from Agua Retorta that married in Fall River? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rapozo, Teixeira, Furtado, Cabral, Caldeira from Agua Retorta, Sao Miguel island
I am interested in a possible connection to Maria de Jesus Teixeira named in your post. I have heard from family members in the past that my grandmother, Felicidade Teixeira, was born to Manuel and Emilia Rosa Teixeira who were both from Agua Retorta. Felicidade's mother died when she was eight and her father sent her to stay with her older sister, Rosa, in either Ponta Delgada or Agua Retorta. Around 1900 Felicidade was 12 years old, and was sent to Massachussets stay with another older sister, Maria. I am told that Maria Teixeira went left the Azores single and married a Portuguese man who owned (or possible only worked at some kind of a factory). I am furhter told that Maria and her husband had only one child, a daughter. Felicidade stayed with her sister Maria until she married Boaventura Pacheco Demello in Cambridge, MA in 1905. Do you know when Maria Teixeira immigrated? Do you know of any siblings of this Maria Teixeira? Did Jose Raposo own or work at a factory? Did Jose and Maria have only one child, a dauther? Thank you for any help. I've been looking for some time to find a record of the older sister Maria Teixeira that my great grandmother reportedly was sent to stay with but have had not luck Bill Seidler On Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:49:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for Ria, nazdar2000 at gmail.com Hi Everybody, I was reading the line of the Rapozo's . My grandparents Jose Raposo was married to my grandmother Maria de Jesus Teixeira. Now my father's parents were from Agua Retorta their names have Furtado as well as Cabral.also Caldeira. All I know is that my grandparents from Agua Retorta got married in Fall River Mass, not sure if this is the same Raposos Ria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
