[BackupPC-users] Two servers into one server

2006-12-21 Thread Klaas Vantournhout
Hi all,

Some time ago I raised a question if it was possible to merge two 
servers together into one server, but no response came on that 
questions, therefore I would like to ask it again.

I have two backup servers which were running fine, until we had a power 
outage and one of the servers found it cool to give up life.  The server 
that is still working has enough space to contain also the backups of 
the dead server.  I was wondering now if it is possible to join both 
servers into one big one?  I can imagine that just copying the pc 
directory into the other one, will not work, because of the cpool right?

Any help would be enormously appreciated.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/20 01:14 , Filipe wrote:
 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom escreveu:
  On 12/19 07:17 , Filipe wrote:

  Using Backuppc (debian) successfully  in my company for about 5 months, 
  backing up 6 winXX shares using samba.
  The machine is a simple Pentium 4 with a 40GB HD that is getting full.
  Already ordered a 250GB ata100 hd. but I'm not sure what to do...
  should I use the 250Gb for the data only, or just replace the hd's using 
  ghost?!
  
 
  move the contents of /var/lib/backuppc (or whereever your data pool is) to
  the new drive, and then mount the new drive on /var/lib/backuppc. It's a
  very good idea to have your data on a separate drive from the OS. At the
  very least, use a separate partition on disk. 
 
  also, I would suggest using LVM on the data partition/disk. this will allow
  you to add space much more easily in the future; or move your data to
  another disk.
 

 
 thanks...
 but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails?

if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your
data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive.

if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install
backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup.

it *is* best to have a redundant drive array in any situation. for buisness
use, a 3ware RAID controller will more than pay for itself the first time
you have a drive problem.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Two servers into one server

2006-12-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Klaas Vantournhout wrote:
 
 Some time ago I raised a question if it was possible to merge two 
 servers together into one server, but no response came on that 
 questions, therefore I would like to ask it again.
 
 I have two backup servers which were running fine, until we had a power 
 outage and one of the servers found it cool to give up life.  The server 
 that is still working has enough space to contain also the backups of 
 the dead server.  I was wondering now if it is possible to join both 
 servers into one big one?  I can imagine that just copying the pc 
 directory into the other one, will not work, because of the cpool right?
 
 Any help would be enormously appreciated.

If you have a lot of extra space you can copy the directories under
pc over.  They will work that way but the space they take won't be
shared until those runs expire.  Unless it is likely that the older
history will be needed, I'd just add the configuration for the
other machines and let your working server accumulate its own
history  - and hang on to the old disk for a while just in case.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:

 thanks...
 but if I have 2 drives like that, what should I do if one fails?
 
 if the data drive fails, then you have the OS drive to use to recover your
 data (if possible); or at least to quickly set up the new data drive.
 
 if the OS drive fails, you put in a new drive, boot with knoppix, install
 backuppc to knoppix's ramdrive, and restore your OS drive from backup.
 
 it *is* best to have a redundant drive array in any situation. for buisness
 use, a 3ware RAID controller will more than pay for itself the first time
 you have a drive problem.

Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over
more than two drives.  I use 2 internal 250 gig drives and once
a week add a matching external firewire drive and let it sync, which
takes a couple of hours, then swap it offsite.  I keep a laptop
with backuppc installed for quick access to the external drive. There
might be a better way to do this with LVM now but this approach should
work up to the 750 gig drives that are available now.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/21 07:52 , Les Mikesell wrote:
 Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over
 more than two drives.  

we've had mediocre experiences with linux software RAID at work, and I've
had mediocre experiences with it at home. it works; but sometimes the box
falls over anyway when a drive fails, and it's a decent amount of trouble to
get the array rebuilt after you replace the drive. I usually figure on an
hour of labor to do that, once its all said and done. Considering that labor
is usually upwards of $150/hr, and a 2-port 3ware controller is $130; it's
pretty simple math to figure out which is better. 

we've had nothing but good luck with the dozens of 3ware controllers that we
have in service. I heartily recommend them to everyone.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Migrating to bigger storage

2006-12-21 Thread Stephen Joyce
I've had good results moving storage pools between RAID devices (for 
maintenance) using xfsdump and xfsrestore. I'd recommend that you 
investigate the dump/restore commands for your filesystem (I've learned to 
avoid ext for anything over ~1TB but YMMV).

For locally attached devices, the rates were competitive with all other 
methods I tried. You can use dump/restore commands over the net from 
one server to another, but beware of the overhead of your transfer protocol 
(if you're using a ssh tunnel choose your cipher wisely to reduce 
overhead).

Hope this helps.

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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Mike Sauer wrote:

 I've has success using PAX to copy ~72GB of data.

 pax -r -w /old/path /new/path

 It took quite a while, far longer than DD would have, but personally
 prefer copying on a file level to a device level. The tail end copy
 process in an intense IO seek for to match hard lines.



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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
 On 12/21 07:52 , Les Mikesell wrote:
 Linux RAID1 mirrors work nicely too, and can actually mirror over
 more than two drives.  
 
 we've had mediocre experiences with linux software RAID at work, and I've
 had mediocre experiences with it at home. it works; but sometimes the box
 falls over anyway when a drive fails, and it's a decent amount of trouble to
 get the array rebuilt after you replace the drive. I usually figure on an
 hour of labor to do that, once its all said and done. Considering that labor
 is usually upwards of $150/hr, and a 2-port 3ware controller is $130; it's
 pretty simple math to figure out which is better. 
 
 we've had nothing but good luck with the dozens of 3ware controllers that we
 have in service. I heartily recommend them to everyone.

I agree that 3ware controllers are good hardware and worth the money,
but I suspect you are comparing the time of swapping an internal
drive vs. a swappable cage here.  It's not that hard to type
an fdisk command followed by an mdadm --add command.   Many/most
IDE controllers do lock up when one of the drives fails with certain
failure modes - this can be a problem especially if your boot drive
is there.   Scsi tends to fail more gracefully.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/21 08:25 , Les Mikesell wrote:
 I agree that 3ware controllers are good hardware and worth the money,
 but I suspect you are comparing the time of swapping an internal
 drive vs. a swappable cage here.  It's not that hard to type
 an fdisk command followed by an mdadm --add command.   

no, I'm actually not. it sounds like one of those things that's simple; but
somehow always ends up taking a lot longer than you expect. At least, that's
my real-world experience with the process. 

it's noteworthy that I'm in a consulting environment, rather than being a
full-time admin for one company. so going off to do something else
productive while the drives are sync'ing, or a long command is running, is
not always an option. 

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/21 10:20 , Les Mikesell wrote:
 It really is as simple as an fdisk and mdadm command for the case
 where it isn't a boot drive and the other mirror member is still
 good.  

that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by
them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware
controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is
left in the array.

 For a permanent replacement, there is no need to wait for anything.

we consider it good policy to wait for the drives to sync, and do a test
reboot, before leaving the customer premises. the reboot is important, as it
often shows up problems you didn't notice, or put off until 'after this next
command'.

 You can use the machine normally while the sync happens and it
 takes care of itself when finished.  

yep.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 10:37 -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:

  It really is as simple as an fdisk and mdadm command for the case
  where it isn't a boot drive and the other mirror member is still
  good.  
 
 that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by
 them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware
 controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is
 left in the array.

Booting from software raid is a special case in that it really just uses
one member so there are some quirks about getting the boot loader
installed
on both drives and configured to match the bios concept of which drive
it is. My approach here is to not worry about it as a special case but
keep a boot/install CD around to fix things after the fact like you
would any other problem that requires a re-install of grub.  The
tradeoff
is that the drives can be moved to any PC with standard controller or
stuck in an external USB/firewire case.  I haven't tried that with
a disk pulled out of a 3ware set but I'd be surprised if it works.

In any case, I like to have the backuppc archive on its own separate
partition and it usually takes the whole disk so booting from raid is
really a different issue.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] some questions...

2006-12-21 Thread Michael 'Moose' Dinn
 that's the theory. your caveats are noteworthy tho; I've been bitten by
 them, and that's one of the reasons I don't like software RAID. with a 3ware
 controller, there's no worry about the bootability of whichever drive is
 left in the array.

You also need to set a partition as active and reinstall LILO, and rewrite the
boot sector of the new drive. Doing this ensures both drives are bootable.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Migrating to bigger storage

2006-12-21 Thread David Rees
On 12/20/06, John Pettitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm about to migrate my BackupPC partition to a new raid controller
 (more space and more spindles) - my current thinking is to use
 dump/restore - has anybody done this - what issues did you encounter?

I've used tar over ssh which worked well, you could also use tar over
netcat, but haven't tried that.

Not as fast as dd, but not bad.

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[BackupPC-users] Problem when displaying pc backup log

2006-12-21 Thread Maarten C
Hi,

I installed the BackupPC 3.0.0Beta3 version. I'm taking a backup using rsync 
of a linux host.
The backup gets created in the correct /data/-directory but there is no 
logfile.

/data/backuppc/pc/test$ ls -l
total 116
drwxr-x---  3 backup backup47 Dec 20 19:59 1
-rw-r-  1 backup backup 0 Dec 20 18:00 LOCK
-rw-r-  1 backup backup   989 Dec 20 19:59 LOG.122006
-rw-r-  1 backup backup 99245 Dec 20 19:59 XferLOG.1.z
-rw-r-  1 backup backup   289 Dec 20 19:01 XferLOG.bad.z.old
-rw-r-  1 backup backup   118 Dec 20 19:59 backups

I think that this is also the cause why I can't browse or view the backups 
on the CGI.
I suppose there is no problem with permissions because he can create the 
backup.

Any ideas?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Maarten

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Backing up Win2000 server

2006-12-21 Thread Ed Burgstaler
Problem solved ... it was a rights issue. Sorry


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Subject: [BackupPC-users] Backing up Win2000 server


I'm getting the following error when I try to do a backup of my 'F' drive
...
2006-12-21 16:39:08 Backup failed on
https://192.168.10.9/cgi-bin/BackupPC/BackupPC_Admin?host=data-serv
data-serv (chroot failed)
 
I have another USB 278Gg drive that is also attached to this server as 'E'
and I have no problem backing of this drive.
 
The only difference that I see is that the 'E' drive itself is not a share
point but has shared folders within it whereas the 'F' drive is a main share
point so that users can see the folders but only access the ones they have
permission to.
 
Any ideas on what would cause the 'F' drive to exibit the (chroot failed)
error?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Ed

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[BackupPC-users] Problem with Backup Contentas of Data Unreadable Lots of tar errors etc.

2006-12-21 Thread Brian Albright
The backup seems to run fine but but when browsing the backup nothing is
readable its all ASCII jibberish

 

 

 

The error log also mostly unreadable looks like this Says

Tar Extract:  Unable to open/var/lib/backuppc/pc/servername/new/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]@$^%

Tar Extract: botch, no matches on /var . same

Tar Extract: Can't open /var/lib/backuppc/pc/mrfile/new

 

I am attaching to a win2003 server, I can open files logged in from the gui,
in nautilus using the backuppc account. Etc.

 

I am also backing up 15 other hosts just fine. This is the only one acting
weird.

 

 

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[BackupPC-users] full backup failed - Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)

2006-12-21 Thread Jorge Ignacio Jiménez
Hi list!

I recently set up a backuppc server running on debian etch 64 bits, 
installation and configuration were clean and easy. 

I did some test backups (full and incremental) with small folders and 
everything was fine.

But when I tried to backup up the /, (approximately 10 gigas) it doesn't work. 

BackupPc takes a lot of time in the backup in progress state, and after some 
hours it creates a partial backup, although its duration is only 6 minutes

Please have a look of the logs:


192.168.0.119/LOG

2006-12-19 10:25:01 full backup started for directory /
2006-12-19 10:31:04 Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)
2006-12-19 10:31:09 Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely)
2006-12-19 10:31:09 Saved partial dump 0

.
192.168.0.119/XferLOG.0.z

Running: /usr/bin/ssh -q -x -l root 192.168.0.119 /usr/bin/rsync --server 
--sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group --devices --links --times 
--block-size=2048 --recursive --specials -D --ignore-times . /
Xfer PIDs are now 14794
Got remote protocol 29
Negotiated protocol version 26
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/2/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/2/task/2/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/3/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/3/task/3/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/4/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/4/task/4/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/5/exe

SO ON...

pool 644   0/0  811578 
lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/fcdslusba.ko
  pool 644   0/0  616476 
lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/fcpci.ko
  pool 644   0/0  609575 
lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/fcusb.ko
  pool 644   0/0  500101 
lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko
  pool 644   0/0  656303 
lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/fxusb.ko
Parent read EOF from child: fatal error!
Done: 0 files, 0 bytes
Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)
Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely)


192.168.0.119/XferLOG.0.z (Extracting only Errors)

Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/4798/task/4798/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/4803/exe
Remote[2]: file has vanished: /proc/4803/task/4803/exe
Xfer PIDs are now 14794,14958
Unable to open /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/f%0d for writing\n
Botch, no matches on /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/f%0d 
(41f80cf5cb9a8c8542a3f81720d5c9df)\n
[ skipped 1 lines ]
Unable to open /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/f%0d.pub for 
writing\n
Botch, no matches on /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/f%0d.pub 
(7dc84c5de7b13a70da7ee68297c22d1e)\n
[ skipped 1 lines ]
Unable to open /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/attrib for writing\n
Botch, no matches on /var/lib/backuppc/pc/192.168.0.119/new/f%2f/attrib 
(67a8e4e3b2d0f6f7c8337cea15ff0f2a)\n
[ skipped 16196 lines ]
Parent read EOF from child: fatal error!
Done: 0 files, 0 bytes
Got fatal error during xfer (Child exited prematurely)
Backup aborted (Child exited prematurely)

...

I defined $Conf{PartialAgeMax} = 0; To force making a full backup instead 
updating a partial one, I'm using rsync with openssh and have no problems using 
ssh with no password to the client (as root, of course), the compression type 
is bzip2. 


Any ideas?


Thanks in advance for any help


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[BackupPC-users] Permissions on files edited via GUI (V3 Beta)

2006-12-21 Thread tmassey

Hello!

I have a problem with the permissions on configuration files modified by
the BackupPC GUI.  The files are given 644 permissions, and owned by
backuppc:apache.

This is a problem.  With 644 permissions, my rsyncd passwords are now
world-readable.  That is a deal-killer.  Also, from my tests it does not
seem that apache needs to have group ownership.  After all, the CGI script
is running setuid as backuppc, right?

I've manually set the permissions to 640 backuppc:backuppc, and it seems to
be fine.  Is it possible to reconfigure the GUI to maintain this?

Thank you,

Tim Massey


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[BackupPC-users] Storing data on a CIFS NAS

2006-12-21 Thread Troy Davis
Hello,

I've been using BackupPC for quite a while, and recently started  
running low on disk space. We've got a 2TB NAS device that I'd like  
to use as a destination for BackupPC's data. I've got it setup to  
mount on boot via CIFS in fstab, and I can read and write data to the  
NAS. But for some reason, when I copy the pc directory to the NAS,  
make a symbolic link in its place and restart BackupPC, backups fail  
very quickly (within 2 minutes). Unfortunately I'm not seeing any  
diagnostic output in the logs. I can't even access the logs, once the  
pc directory is on the NAS, BackupPC complains that it can't read  
them (through the browser).

Has anyone gotten a similar system working? I'd love to use this 2TB  
array for storage. It's unfortunate that I have to use CIFS to mount  
it, it has an embedded Windows OS that only supports SMB, AFS and  
FTP. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Troy

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[BackupPC-users] Pipe bug?

2006-12-21 Thread Daniel Egloff
Dear List

After upgrading to the new 3.0b version of I get the following erros:

2006-12-21 22:38:00 Running BackupPC_trashClean (pid=16419)
2006-12-21 22:38:00 Next wakeup is 2006-12-21 23:00:00
2006-12-21 22:38:26 User backuppc requested backup of hilbert (hilbert)
2006-12-21 22:38:27 Started full backup on hilbert (pid=16428, share=/)
2006-12-21 22:38:33 Backup failed on hilbert (fileListReceive failed)
2006-12-21 22:44:50 User backuppc requested server configuration reload
2006-12-21 22:44:50 Reloading config/host files via CGI request
2006-12-21 22:44:50 Next wakeup is 2006-12-21 23:00:00
2006-12-21 22:45:38 User backuppc requested backup of hilbert (hilbert)
2006-12-21 22:45:39 Started full backup on hilbert (pid=16474, share=/)
2006-12-21 22:45:46 Backup failed on hilbert (fileListReceive failed)
2006-12-21 23:00:01 Next wakeup is 2006-12-22 01:00:00
2006-12-21 23:00:04 Started full backup on hilbert (pid=16502, share=/)
2006-12-21 23:00:12 Backup failed on hilbert (fileListReceive failed)

I have no idea what is going on. I searched the list and found several
hints indicating that there might be a pipe bug.

How can I resolve the problem.

I also refer to 

http://www.topology.org/linux/backuppc.html#bug1

Thanks for any help.


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