200,000 + horns
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett The A.P. figures are always thrown around as something impressive. This is neither here nor there, really, but it does fall on a reporter to investigate their facts. It seems that this 2,000,000 acres of BD in Australia is unsubstantiated. Allan I have just been informed by one of the AP disciples that the group puts down well in excess of 200,000 horns of 500 each year. You can do the sums on that lot. He must have some big operators out there somewhere! It seems pretty much a secret society deal with AP in total control ( he also OWNS the Demeter trade mark for all of Australia) Our BDFGAA (Cheryl Kemp) has 0ver 600 members - predominantly horticulture and viticulture but gaining numbers of broadacre farmers - wheat , sheep and cattle so you would probably be able to substantiate the 2 million ?? Incidentally the informant above says he had three or four wonderful years then a gradual decline of productivity and has now (after about 8 years) hit the wall, hay cuts down to almost nothing, poor animal health, no feed so the cattle are away on someone else's place, soil colour and structure gone, its not working anymore! We had some posts from Hugh Lovel on the list about this last year ( or maybe further back ) Hope this is of interest Lloyd Charles
Re: 200,000 + horns
I have just been informed by one of the AP disciples that the group puts down well in excess of 200,000 horns of 500 each year. You can do the sums on that lot. He must have some big operators out there somewhere! It seems pretty much a secret society deal with AP in total control ( he also OWNS the Demeter trade mark for all of Australia) Our BDFGAA (Cheryl Kemp) has 0ver 600 members - predominantly horticulture and viticulture but gaining numbers of broadacre farmers - wheat , sheep and cattle so you would probably be able to substantiate the 2 million ?? Thanks for reporting this, Lloyd. Unfortunately, all I can infer from this information is that A.P's group buries 200,000 500 horns each year. Inferring any thing else from that would be a reach. I am interested in hearing how many acres Chery's group has under BD management. Incidentally the informant above says he had three or four wonderful years then a gradual decline of productivity and has now (after about 8 years) hit the wall, hay cuts down to almost nothing, poor animal health, no feed so the cattle are away on someone else's place, soil colour and structure gone, its not working anymore! We had some posts from Hugh Lovel on the list about this last year ( or maybe further back ) Hope this is of interest Lloyd Charles This, of course, seems like a failure of the overseers and not a condemnation of BD itself. I'd like to hear more about this. I believe Glenn used to talk about this also. Thanks again, Lloyd, -Allan
Cloudbusting was Re: Drought update
James DeMeo's Orgone Biophysical Research Lab homepage is at http://www.saharasia.org/index.htm Lot's of useful information there, and, of course, things to buy. I recollect from my own reading (but cannot site the publications right now) that in the Reichian literature there are many references to individuals who acquired cancer in their arm or face from holding or leaning against an operating cloudbuster. -Allan
Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition?
I haven't heard anything about the Dalai Lama's condition sense he went into the hospital. Has anyone else? This in just now from from Curtis' Global News: -- From: STRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:19:01 -0500 To: sangha announce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HHDL (Regarding the previous announcement about postponement of HHDL's activities thru April: The purpose of the announcement was not to cause worry. We have heard that a postponement is very likely, however, we also do not take everything automatically for granted. The purpose of the announcement was to suggest that people may want to wait a few days and watch the news before making concrete plans and arangements) Dear Friends; As you probably know, subsequent to the hospitalization of HHDL, it has been suggested by his oracle that we accumulate 100 million Green Tara Mantra and or the 21 praises to Tara. As of yesterday there were 10 million accumulated. I don't know if this is a world-wide count or a national count. It is hoped that by next Monday the goal will be mostly achieved. If you are doing these practices either individually or in a group you can send your totals to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call Annie Warner at 212-213-5010. (Locally: (Boston area) On Thursday evening - Feb 7- at 6 pm- we will do a group Green Tara practice at the Center here in Somerville. Please join us if you can. We can accomodate about 30 people.) Thank you Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/KlSolB/TM -~- Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
ENRON Explained
ENRON EXPLAINED In case you were wondering how Enron came into so much trouble, here is an explanation reputedly given by a ColoradoAggie professor to explain it in terms his students could understand. Capitalism You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income. ENRONOMICS Enron Capitalism You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned your CFO who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on six more. Now do you see why a company with $62 billion in assets is declaring bankruptcy?
Re: Drought update
DeMeo has a publication called something like So You want to Build a Cloudbuster that used to be available at his website. There are also warnings in the Orgone Accumulator Handbook -Allan Allan you wrote: My plans for a home accumulator were set aside after reading DeMeo's warnings. please delineate where you found a warning by DeMeo. Was he referencing the one outlined on http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster__orgone_generator.html Thanks Markess
Re: Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition?
Dalai Lama's condition sense he went into the hospital. Has anyone else? He's out now, and feeling much better according to the news reports i have seen. - Steven
Re: Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition?
Greetings List: That is the information I received also from a friend. A lot of responsibility and much globetrotting . Pretty difficult to digest all the crap going on in the universe as all the ick hits the fan. Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Steven McFadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition? Dalai Lama's condition sense he went into the hospital. Has anyone else? He's out now, and feeling much better according to the news reports i have seen. - Steven
Re: Shanti Yoga busted for Whole Milk Sales
Allan: Turns out that Seven Stars and the Kimberton CSA aren't involved. From what I understand from the yogurt folks, it is the nearby CSA and biodynamic dairy who had some problems. Even those don't sound like they're too major. The CSA was told that they couldn't supply dairy products along with their vegetables. The dairy not Seven Stars Farm) sells whole, unpasteurized milk from their store, and as far as I know is still licensed to do so. I'm not sure what the CSA was doing that violated regulations, but it doesn't sound like they face any major repercussions. Seven Stars Farm continues to go strong, and as Allan points out, continues to make the best yogurt around. The community has been very, very supportive during the past year, and as near as I can see the farm should be around for quite some time yet. As for the Kimberton CSA, we're starting the first season without Kerry and Barbara Sullivan. All signs point to a smooth transition. Birgit and Erik Landsdowne have moved into the farmhouse, the pledge meeting was held a month or so ago, and everybody is looking forward to the first pickup. Birgit worked with Kerry and Barbara as an apprentice a few seasons back, and spent last summer working in the garden as well. Barbara and Kerry are off traveling, but plan to return to help get things started at the end of this month before setting off for new adventures. Bruce
Fw: [globalnews] Dalai Lama's Condition
From: STRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:19:01 -0500 To: sangha announce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HHDL (Regarding the previous announcement about postponement of HHDL's activities thru April: The purpose of the announcement was not to cause worry. We have heard that a postponement is very likely, however, we also do not take everything automatically for granted. The purpose of the announcement was to suggest that people may want to wait a few days and watch the news before making concrete plans and arangements) Dear Friends; As you probably know, subsequent to the hospitalization of HHDL, it has been suggested by his oracle that we accumulate 100 million Green Tara Mantra and or the 21 praises to Tara. As of yesterday there were 10 million accumulated. I don't know if this is a world-wide count or a national count. It is hoped that by next Monday the goal will be mostly achieved. If you are doing these practices either individually or in a group you can send your totals to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call Annie Warner at 212-213-5010. (Locally: (Boston area) On Thursday evening - Feb 7- at 6 pm- we will do a group Green Tara practice at the Center here in Somerville. Please join us if you can. We can accomodate about 30 people.) Thank you
Re: Dreamtime
Hi Gil: Not strip mining anyone or anything here, in fact, adding to the great circle of life if you hadn't already noticed. What was meant by bringing the ancestral inheritance forward and baptizing ourselves with it is through the water element, breath and sound we can reclaim and honour all the wisdom of our lineage(beginning in the ocean) and have our decisions come from that wealth that is available to us would we just get a little more lateral , wave like, and sensitive to the chaos that is our only true birthright. Now are you a cosmic citizen Gil? I consider myself one, and the children and the mothers and the fathers and on through the descendents and ancestors. Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits... Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara and Woody You wrote And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. We as non Aboriginals should not try and strip mine their culture or any one else's for that matter. What does happen at times, is that those who still carry the stories, sometimes share some of them with a few of us. They teach that to know the story is to become part of it. This includes the obligation to protect the story and the related sites. Insight into these matters gives a new understanding of the landscape and that which moves within it. Gil
Re: Dreamtime
Barbara said, (snip) Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits...) Right on sis! Though I suspect no one can actually do that without one's consent. but it would be nice if they'd stop trying, eh? L L (as Markess always says) Jane PS: I thought that a rather odd response from Gil to Barbara's words of baptism. We are after all, as Barbara says, all connected through millenia of lifetimes, all are connected. If you don't buy that in the realm of spirit, then try looking at physics. We are one planet, one water, one air, one earth. - Original Message - From: Aurora Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi Gil: Not strip mining anyone or anything here, in fact, adding to the great circle of life if you hadn't already noticed. What was meant by bringing the ancestral inheritance forward and baptizing ourselves with it is through the water element, breath and sound we can reclaim and honour all the wisdom of our lineage(beginning in the ocean) and have our decisions come from that wealth that is available to us would we just get a little more lateral , wave like, and sensitive to the chaos that is our only true birthright. Now are you a cosmic citizen Gil? I consider myself one, and the children and the mothers and the fathers and on through the descendents and ancestors. Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits... Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara and Woody You wrote And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. We as non Aboriginals should not try and strip mine their culture or any one else's for that matter. What does happen at times, is that those who still carry the stories, sometimes share some of them with a few of us. They teach that to know the story is to become part of it. This includes the obligation to protect the story and the related sites. Insight into these matters gives a new understanding of the landscape and that which moves within it. Gil
Wait'l You try the Cornflakes!!
Just handling irradiated objects is making people sick. Thanks to Leigh Haughter for this. AB 73 Senate Workers Report Illness Advisory Issued to D.C. Federal Employees on Handling Irradiated Mail http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35751-2002Feb6.html
DREAMTIME
Hi all: For years in Oz I have been a storyteller to young children, and have come across many Koori (Aboriginals of Australia) Stories. To put it in different words but with the same meaning as Gil's message, to know and understand this culture is to know that the stories are not ours. As much as these stories stir deep within me, they are not mine to tell. There has been a long drawn out struggle by the Aboriginals of this country to obtain the rights to their work. For example every other artist was covered by copyright, but not the Aboriginals of Australia. You do not hear much of this, and I am unaware if they are still fighting for such rights. Having lived equal amounts of time in Australia and Canada, there is something I notice about these societies, perhaps it is their youngness, or how they came about, but they seem to be lacking in their own beliefs and cling to many others that are unearthed. It is a gift for us all to learn of these beliefs and ways, and they do feel very much like forgotten treasures that have been found. Even with this, to understand that they are not ours to tell, is to give the respect their culture deserves. Bidding all a wonderful day or evening, as the mists rise from the valleys full of light and essence to a beautiful new day. Love and Light Liz
future of preps/Copake Village
Actually, I thought this conference on future of preps. (incl. Gunther Hauk, etc) is at Copake Village, further upstate NY. If anybody attends who is on the list, would appreciate some reports. cheers, Michael
irradiated food contamination
Actually, the fact is that when food is irradiated either by C0-60 Gamma rays or Electron Beam, the food itself DOES NOT become radioactive. So what made these people sick? Not sure that this story is really kosher. Michael
Re: irradiated food contamination
Title: Re: irradiated food contamination no one is saying that either the mail or, in the case of food irradiation, food, becomes radioactive with irradiated (though there is a problem with the containment facilities becoming radioactive over time). But there are a number of other chemical changes that do take place. I don't know if the Post article mentioned it (I would doubt it) but there are a lot of gasses that are dangerous caused by the process. The Post article, trying to minimize the issue, just says that when the congressional staffers get the mail the levels of these gasses have been reduced to safe levels. the question is: 'Say's who?' If I had the job of handling irradiated mail, paper that crumbles, plastic that's melted, and suddenly, while handling the mail, I start feeling sick, and all the other people I know who handle the same irradiated mail feel sick, I would suspect that there is something going on that either no one has discovered yet, or someone is lying. And the question of the day is 'Why won't the public eat irradiated steaks?' And the answer is: Irradiation makes a steak smell like a wet dog that's been eating on a deer carcass that's been dead up in the woods for three weeks.' Even if its wholesome (which I don't believe), its not something that I want to eat.
Re: DREAMTIME
As much as these stories stir deep within me, they are not mine to tell. Just to clarify, the story of Wollombin, was given to me specifically to tell and to tell in written words. Best, S
Re: DREAMTIME
Even with this, to understand that they are not ours to tell, is to give the respect their culture deserves. Perhaps when all indigenous populations have been wiped out or totally silenced you will feel it is ok to tell their stories? I do not understand this kind of thinking. If we didn't pass on stories that were not ours to tell, you would not tell your children fairy tales. We live in a world rich with stories. It seems to me more important to tell the story and the sources or voices who originally told such tales. There are many oral traditions that have died out because there weren't those who were interested enough or were killed off and were unable to continue the tale. I vote for all stories in their polyglot richness to be told and credited. Blessings, Jane
[no subject]
Hello bdnow, I am looking through the results from soil and petiole testing of a trial running in a vineyard with a variety of undervine treatments. The compost treatment has shown a significant increase in soil pH. Has anyone out their observed similar outcomes? I enjoy the extraordinary variety of topics that seem to be legitmate content for this discussion group. Keep it up. -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COMPOST SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING SOIL pH
HAVE USED UP TO 25-30 YDS/AC ON VINEYARD SOILS HERE ON EAST COAST WITHOUT SEEING SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. HOW MUCH DID YOU USE, EXTRAPOLATED PER/AC ? IS THE pH NATURALY LOW WHERE YOU ARE ?
Re: Cloudbusting was Re: Drought update
Reichian Cloudbuster had indeed a design problem which is claimed to be solved in this new design in http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster__orgone_generator.html I am building a half size model but not sure if the modification will render it ineffective. Jose James DeMeo's Orgone Biophysical Research Lab homepage is at http://www.saharasia.org/index.htm Lot's of useful information there, and, of course, things to buy. I recollect from my own reading (but cannot site the publications right now) that in the Reichian literature there are many references to individuals who acquired cancer in their arm or face from holding or leaning against an operating cloudbuster. -Allan
Dream-time !
Hi, I have the aboriginal dream-time -cd-its Great ! ~ God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change - -The Courage to change the things I can ; And the Wisdom to know the difference . ~~ Omegaman , The - -Gate- Keeper !! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
Re: Drought update
Hi Folks! I must admit that I am losing track here a little bit -- anyway, I found this website that shows how to build a cloudbuster so that you can compare notes. Any further comparative notes would be appreciated. http://www.metatech.org/ Peace... Wayne *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Sharon and Wayne McEachern http://www.LightExpression.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Divine Program for Healing and Transformation and Expressing the Light A Ministry Dedicated to the Divine Process *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Re: DREAMTIME
Title: Re: DREAMTIME Compatriots! This is great! All points comments are full of possibilities. Here we are on a list server pushing the written word to is oral limits. This list server in theory is dedicated to discussion of lectures (oral stories) given by a dead Intuit whose specialty was a teaching about a poet whose major claim to fame was a play where the devil is promising access to infinite knowledge for a price. Now we are in the middle of a discussion of a priori ownership of oral knowledge. Only On The Web! In Love Light Markess From: jsherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:14:08 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DREAMTIME Even with this, to understand that they are not ours to tell, is to give the respect their culture deserves. Perhaps when all indigenous populations have been wiped out or totally silenced you will feel it is ok to tell their stories? I do not understand this kind of thinking. If we didn't pass on stories that were not ours to tell, you would not tell your children fairy tales. We live in a world rich with stories. It seems to me more important to tell the story and the sources or voices who originally told such tales. There are many oral traditions that have died out because there weren't those who were interested enough or were killed off and were unable to continue the tale. I vote for all stories in their polyglot richness to be told and credited. Blessings, Jane
Re: future of preps/Copake Village
Michael Roboz, could not open the attachment you sent me off-line. can you try again? Virginia - Original Message - From: Michael Roboz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: future of preps/Copake Village Actually, I thought this conference on future of preps. (incl. Gunther Hauk, etc) is at Copake Village, further upstate NY. If anybody attends who is on the list, would appreciate some reports. cheers, Michael
Re: Dreamtime
jsherry wrote: Snip PS: I thought that a rather odd response from Gil to Barbara's words of baptism. We are after all, as Barbara says, all connected through millenia of lifetimes, all are connected. Snip Are we all connected? I know people who believe they cam from Sirius B, others Orion and still others from many other spots in the far off distance. Barbara seems to have come from the sea. I know a man who believes he had many lives as a dog. I frankly do not know where I came from. I actually not not worry much about it either. I am more interested in how I will live the day and what I will do tomorrow. If we are all connected, what does it mean? Can I come over and take the compost you have just finished making? Must I share my collection of Mad Magazines? If we are all one, can I morally charge you for goods or services? Gil
Re: DREAMTIME
In general terms, I agree with your points, except in the case of the Australian Aboriginal material. This is the oldest currently surviving culture on earth. The current stories detail periods when the sea level was much lower and the long extinct volcanos were active. They are of immense age. But what is most interesting, the land still speaks the stories. Those who have been initiated into the higher levels can be put in an area out side their knowledge and they can read the story and find their way around and locate sites etc. The problem is when some people get a little knowledge and start trying to do the same thing. We have people strip mining by writing books they have no right to publish and even people running tourist ventures. In Australia we have the same thing with people doing the same thing to other cultures. We have one man who has taught over eight hundred people to make and use Indian Medicine drums as an example. You would not believe the number of people houses full of Indian icons, little, if any is make by an Indian. I would not like to see the same thing happen to the Aboriginal. Gil jsherry wrote: Even with this, to understand that they are not ours to tell, is to give the respect their culture deserves. Perhaps when all indigenous populations have been wiped out or totally silenced you will feel it is ok to tell their stories? I do not understand this kind of thinking. If we didn't pass on stories that were not ours to tell, you would not tell your children fairy tales. We live in a world rich with stories. It seems to me more important to tell the story and the sources or voices who originally told such tales. There are many oral traditions that have died out because there weren't those who were interested enough or were killed off and were unable to continue the tale. I vote for all stories in their polyglot richness to be told and credited. Blessings, Jane
Re: Dreamtime
Hi! Barbara, I think you have a larger view of the cosmos and you place in it than I have. I have had a few glimpses of what I assume ot be past lives, but always human. I can not remember being an amoeba, let alone a crystal. I find the things that have caught my interest during my life are largely related to my past life experiences that have only started to be remembered in the last decade. Thus I think we tend to reincarnate in one or more cultural group. But there is another factor. Do you notice the number of people who feel very strongly that they were on the Titanic, after seeing the film? If the number of people I know, who have an absolute belief that there is no doubt that they were some particular person on that vessel, it must have carried millions of passengers. Just because we feel drawn to something (culturally) or think we had a past life, does not necessarily give us the right claim that as our own. Gil Aurora Farm wrote: Hi Gil: Not strip mining anyone or anything here, in fact, adding to the great circle of life if you hadn't already noticed. What was meant by bringing the ancestral inheritance forward and baptizing ourselves with it is through the water element, breath and sound we can reclaim and honour all the wisdom of our lineage(beginning in the ocean) and have our decisions come from that wealth that is available to us would we just get a little more lateral , wave like, and sensitive to the chaos that is our only true birthright. Now are you a cosmic citizen Gil? I consider myself one, and the children and the mothers and the fathers and on through the descendents and ancestors. Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits... Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara and Woody You wrote And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. We as non Aboriginals should not try and strip mine their culture or any one else's for that matter. What does happen at times, is that those who still carry the stories, sometimes share some of them with a few of us. They teach that to know the story is to become part of it. This includes the obligation to protect the story and the related sites. Insight into these matters gives a new understanding of the landscape and that which moves within it. Gil
Re:
Hi! John, Am I right in assuming that you started with a low pH? The use of good compost should normalize pH, i.e. move it toward 7. It would hopefully settle around 6.75 - 7. If you have a very high pH it will also pull it back toward 7. Gil Port Lincoln SA John Lakey wrote: Hello bdnow, I am looking through the results from soil and petiole testing of a trial running in a vineyard with a variety of undervine treatments. The compost treatment has shown a significant increase in soil pH. Has anyone out their observed similar outcomes? I enjoy the extraordinary variety of topics that seem to be legitmate content for this discussion group. Keep it up. -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Future of the Preps Conference
Hi Allan, The meeting in Copake was organized by the US Agricultural Section of the School of Spiritual Science. The meeting is for any one making preparations, and from what I could gather from the Biodynamics Journal, While the ideal would be that all biodynamic practitioners make their own high quality preparations on site at each complete farm individuality, the present reality is far from that idealrecognized the need for an effort that could stimulate movement toward the ideal, and agreed to host an open session on the issue, and drew up the circulated agenda. A working group arising from the session in Copake is sought , The sesion's agenda is still in development as this goes to press. I really don't want to retype the 300 word article from the BD journal! So, perhaps regionalization, supply of animal sheaths, how to foster and better communication and relationships between regional efforts and the established organizations might comprise some of the agenda. Harold Hoven was listed as the contact person, but I don't have his phone or email, I am sure the BDA would have his contact info. Hope that helps! Christy PS, I will be attending, and I will look forward to posting any intersting happenings from the meeting. - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bruce Bumbarger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Future of the Preps Conference Bruce (or anyone) - Perhaps you're the person to shed a little light on this 'Future of the Preps' conference that is coming up this month in Spring Valley. What are the goals of this conference? How can we find out more about it? Who is invited? Who can attend? Who organized it? Thanks! -Allan
Re: Future of the Preps Conference
A reply to my own post! Also mentioned was for folks to bring samples of their own preps, and for all those who couldn't attend to submit their ideas in writing, once again to harold Hoven, no contact info, sorry. Although feedback from non prep makers, but prep users is valuable too, as these folks are counting on the availability of quality preparations, and their thoughts and feelings are relavent, because they are part of the Work also.C. - Original Message - From: Rural Center for Responsible Living [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Future of the Preps Conference Hi Allan, The meeting in Copake was organized by the US Agricultural Section of the School of Spiritual Science. The meeting is for any one making preparations, and from what I could gather from the Biodynamics Journal, While the ideal would be that all biodynamic practitioners make their own high quality preparations on site at each complete farm individuality, the present reality is far from that idealrecognized the need for an effort that could stimulate movement toward the ideal, and agreed to host an open session on the issue, and drew up the circulated agenda. A working group arising from the session in Copake is sought , The sesion's agenda is still in development as this goes to press. I really don't want to retype the 300 word article from the BD journal! So, perhaps regionalization, supply of animal sheaths, how to foster and better communication and relationships between regional efforts and the established organizations might comprise some of the agenda. Harold Hoven was listed as the contact person, but I don't have his phone or email, I am sure the BDA would have his contact info. Hope that helps! Christy PS, I will be attending, and I will look forward to posting any intersting happenings from the meeting. - Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bruce Bumbarger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Future of the Preps Conference Bruce (or anyone) - Perhaps you're the person to shed a little light on this 'Future of the Preps' conference that is coming up this month in Spring Valley. What are the goals of this conference? How can we find out more about it? Who is invited? Who can attend? Who organized it? Thanks! -Allan
soil pH compost
Gil, The vineyard in question is on acid basalt derived soils with pH around 5.5 under normal treatment and has skipped to 6.1 under compost.Interesting to note that most soil cations have also gone up and their substition for hydrogen may be the reason for the pH in crease. The vineyard was established with 3 tonne per hectare lime application and experienced very little soil pH increase. The compost cost AUS $15 per cubic metre and is much cheaper than lime. I am trolling through petiole analysis from samples taken at the same time to see if any of the increased soil nutrients are also showing highs in the vine. I have followed the cation balancing discussion, Albrecht etc, with tremendous interest and wonder if any one else has come up with why compost should effect soil pH? At Uni I was told that the addition of organic material would lead to an increase in acids used by fungi to digest material and decreasesoil pH leading to peat bog idea of high OM soils being acidic by nature. But what is high? The soils under compost have only 2 - 3 % OM, what outcome would you get as OM approaches 5 -10%? Cheers JL
Maria Thun/Quebec
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Re: soil pH compost
Hi! John, I think the big difference is that Lime is in the line of chemical thinking, where compost is much more complex and has to do with stimulating soil biota and providing food for it. On other than you volcanic soil, I would be suggesting the addition of some rock dust, but you soil should provide all the necessary. Do you do the green manure bit to help the soil carbon levels? I envy you with 2-3% OM. Near where I live we have large areas of very mean lime soil with pH as high as 9.8 and on one soil analysis 0.01% soil carbon. Now that is one mean paddock. He is a chemical farmer and in 45 to 60 days all his applied fertiliser is locked up. I am in some good granite country, some of the best in the district. I wish I could but a good compost at that price ours is $A25 or more. Gil John Lakey wrote: Gil,The vineyard in question is on acid basalt derived soils with pH around 5.5 under normal treatment and has skipped to 6.1 under compost.Interesting to note that most soil cations have also gone up and their substition for hydrogen may be the reason for the pH in crease. The vineyard was established with 3 tonne per hectare lime application and experienced very little soil pH increase. The compost cost AUS $15 per cubic metre and is much cheaper than lime.I am trolling through petiole analysis from samples taken at the same time to see if any of the increased soil nutrients are also showing highs in the vine.I have followed the cation balancing discussion, Albrecht etc, with tremendous interest and wonder if any one else has come up with why compost should effect soil pH? At Uni I was told that the addition of organic material would lead to an increase in acids used by fungi to digest material and decrease soil pH leading to peat bog idea of high OM soils being acidic by nature. But what is high? The soils under compost have only 2 - 3 % OM, what outcome would you get as OM approaches 5 -10%?Cheers JL
