Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
In a message dated 3/17/02 2:12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SStorch wrote: What is being found out by looking at the biological assays of the bd remedies and the compost they make is that these things are the precursors for life in the soil. They contain all of the organisms to initiate the prosesses that will unlock all the nutrients and minerals in the soil through biological activity. Question: Have you done biological assays of composted remedy herbs and cow manure without them having been treated the BD way (such as the Quick Return Method of composting) compared to being treated the BD way? It would be interesting to see if the BD preparation of the herbs and manure has a specific influence on the biological diversity, or whether these treatments facilitate the esoteric energy aspect of the remedies (excuse the layman terminology). No we have not yet done this, it seems a waste of time, why do something second rate when you may go first class...leave that to the nay-sayers. Question: Does anybody have references to peer-reviewed scientific academic literature which shows that microbes unlock locked minerals and nutrients? I have been talking to conventional agronomists who will not believe that this is possible. Usual story. Let them look at 15-20 year bd treated soils and then let them explain how these things are possible to accomplich on commercially farmed soils. 1500 gallon tea brewer is filling and will be run in a few hours. I have designed an ''upwelling tube'' Question: Is this the same as the tubes common with fish tank filters, through which the air bubbles, thereby circulating the water? Yes, it is just on a larger scale, 2-4 inch diameter tubes and 120 liter per minute -250 lpm bubblers. Question: Has anybody tried using flowforms for making compost tea, is per the New Zealand method of stirring the BD remedies? Strikes me that, given the negative effects of the pump, that the flow forms would provide all the oxygen needed, as well as adding their energy through the vortices. Yes we are doing that in addition to using the stirring machine to imprint the atomic structures of the funal filaments and microbes upon the water. SStorch
Re:Testing preps?
Manfred Palmer in Richmond Hill Ontario writes: The preps carry the focalized aural conditions for organizationally increased life-forms to expedite their purpose in and for the whole. ...same could be said for us as individuals, i guess. What are our preps?. Dear Manfred, I have to give the credit to Glen Atkinson, the kiwi genius. But Steiner developed his agricultural remedies out of his understanding of our human need for remedy. This comes out in many aspects of the agricultural course. So the agricultural remedies are really human remedies. We should learn to apply these to ourselves for our own health and well-being and not just get them in our food. True, if we get them in our food future generations will benefit far more than we ourselves. But we can get some help from Steiner's agricultural remedies. I've been trying this idea (of Glen's) out and I'm impressed. I recommend we all give this some thought. Best, Hugh
Re: James DeMeo on Hugh, Reich, Hubbard, Steiner and bionousdecay
Dear Allan, I have met Hugh during at least one Acres conference. Unfortunately, I would disagree on many points given in his email below. Reich was a natural scientist with nothing to compare him with Hubbard or Scientology. Reich's use of new terms was justified, based upon the observation of new phenomena which were not previously known or observed, and which demanded explicit descriptive terms. Terms such as Chi or Ki, or Prana or the numerous other synonyms for life-energy may superficially sound the same, but they lack the specificity of descriptive precision as compared to Reich's terms, which have significant empirical support. For example, most all advocates of Chi, Ki or Prana will inform you that it is a non-physical energy beyond the here-and-now, which is why only specialized spiritual exercises, or spiritual experts, can make full contact with it. One has to master such things, become a master, along the road where devotee is the first step, to really get into the deeper essence of it. Very little substantive research has gone into investigating the basic nature of the energy, except to demonstrate that people can subjectively feel it, and affect it. Dears While I would agree there hasn't been anywhere near enough empirical research done with Chi, Ki or Prana there is the William Tiller work. I don't find Tiller a very helpful writer, but he clearly has done a mountain of research into subtle energies and in many ways has gone beyond Reich or even Steiner. In the east there has long been an initiate/guru method for passing along hidden knowledge. You might call it a propriatery set-up. In the western scientific tradition we tend to strive toward publishing all the details. It is more of a laissez faire set-up. This doesn't change the phenomena behind the traditions, of course. It's still the same universe whether one grows up in Tibet or Austria, China or America. Also I might add that Steiner, Hubbard and Reich all were scientists and had at least this much in common that cultists tended to follow in their wakes. I wonder what Trevor Constable might say on this subject. Best, Hugh Reich's orgone, by contrast, is totally physical, nothing metaphysical about it at all. You can build an orgone accumulator, as can any farmer or auto-mechanic, or Ph.D. scientist, using simple instruction plans, and so long as you don't expose it to *dor* or *oranur*-producing influences (nuclear radiation, low-level em fields, etc.) it will produce results for you. In a laboratory, you can measure it using the right devices. Most people can feel it, and even see it, once it is pointed out to them, and you don't have to be an especially enlightened or transformed person. Orgone, we know, is reflected by metals, absorbed by organic materials, and flows and moves in the atmosphere and in the body according to certain principles. Chinese acupuncture gets closer to this, but even here, many trainees in that field will deny any physical basis to Chi, mainly because they have a personal interest in keeping it metaphysical. I would agree that the term organizational energy is a good starting point, and many scientists have been or are looking for this, but Reich is the only one who really proved its existence by experimental methods, and worked out useful applications. He really is a light-year beyond the others -- but my Orgone Accumulator Handbook gives a good listing of scientists other than Reich who measured and detected this same phenomenon. Steiner I would disagree about as well. While it may kick up some dust in a Biodynamic Ag. discussion group, I feel most all of his claims in this regard were stolen from old Germanic folk traditions (some dating back to pre-Christian times), or from Hahnneman's homeopathic findings. If you strip that away from Steiner, not much is left in any practical sense. I would argue that the BD preps are in actuality homeopathic in nature, perhaps utilizing the observable phenomenon of bionous decay which Reich described, and which today we know have bioenergetic effects. One can interpret them metaphysically, of course, but the point is, metaphysics is not necessary at all. Steiner, I think it is proper to say, was more concerned about metaphysical things, as are discussed in the bulk of his writings. His ethers are likewise metaphysical speculations, similar in nature to what the theosophical society and other metaphysical groups were calling ethers, and have little relationship to either Reich's orgone, or the ether of 19th Century physics. This latter concept is, in some aspects, closer to Reich's orgone, and you can get a good review of this by looking at my paper on Dayton Miller's ether-drift experiments. http://www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm The entire language and approach to the matter of ether by the 19th and 20th Century physicists has little resemblance to the Anthrosophical or Theosophical ether(s). As Hugh mentions, some of the
Re: The Wide World and Testing Preps
Darn, Merla! $100 each to register biodynamic "amendments" for use in Idaho? What if they were potentized in water and you had something like 8x or 8c potencies? The active ingredient is the water which has been patterned. Does water have to be registered before it can be used as a soil amendment? Or has it been registered in Idaho? Both Glen and Greg use potentized water, and they combine all the BD remedies into two sprays, one applied in the morning and the other in the evening. I could walk you through the procedure for doing this if you want. You could take each remedy and dowse for the desired potency and combine them. Greg says the sequencing is extremely important, so you would have to work out the sequence for combining them. When potentizing (succussing) large quantities of water it would help to suspend large bottles of water from a sling hooked to a ceiling beam somewhere. But at the end of it all you would have remedies that you could pour into a spray tank full of water and directly go out and spray instead of doing all the tedious stirring. It gets even easier if you use a radionic instrument like James Hedley or Lorraine Cahill uses. You can put all the potency patterns into the spray tank full of water by transferring them with the radionic instrument. That's VERY easy. Lorraine is getting Malcolm Rae cards made of weed peppers. So far she has the following: 1. Redroot Pigweed Amaranthus retroflexus 2. Shoofly, Apple of Peru Nicandra physalodes 3. Velvet Leaf, Wild Cotton Abutilon theophrasti 4. Prarie Parsnip Zizia cordata 5. Wild Cucumber Cucumis anguria 6. Johnson Grass Holcus halapensis 7. Wild Oats Avena fatua 8. Ironweed Vernonia novaborascensis 9. Field Bindweed Convolvulus repens 10. Water Hemp Acnida cannabina 11. Canadian Thistle Cirsium arvense 12. Cheat Grass Bromus tectorum 14. Cocklebur Xanthium americanum 15. Smartweed Persicaria lapathifolia 16. Dock Rumex crispus 17. Dodder Cuscuta polygonorum 18. Greenbriar, Catbriar Smilax rotundifolia 19 Burdock Arctium minus 20. Devil's Beggarticks Bidens frondosa 21. Ragweed Ambrosia bidentata 22. Manitoba Cleavers Galium mollugo 23. Rush Skeleton Weed Chondrilla juncea 24. Medusa Head Rye Tueniatherum cuput Or maybe you could use Reiki to transfer the patterns from your feeling through your hand into the water. You might have to take a course in Reiki for this one. Sharon McEachern might be able to walk you through this one. At some point maybe we can do the field broadcaster experiment on the roadsides of Rapid Lightning Road. It will be a little easier to sell to the county weed board after we see results at Dwight Callaway's down near Boise. Best, Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Title: Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers From: SBruno Yes we are doing that in addition to using the stirring machine to imprint the atomic structures of the funal filaments and microbes upon the water. SStorch Thank you for this part of the info. In LL Markess
Merla and the Weed Board
Merla, perhaps I don't understand the registration issues. Why do you need registration for preps? If you spray homeopathic treated water, why does it need to be certified for OG? Is this because the weed board needs to claim it as a pesticide? Does compost tea need to be certified? Sewage sludge isn't certified because of the danger of heavy metals. Clopyralid pesticide is a serious problem that just showed up last year. The chemical is used in as a pre-emergence herbicide under the name Confront. Usage is restricted to licensed applicators, but that include lawn companies. These same companies deposit their grass clippings in local compost yards. It turns out that clopyralid is completely persistent -- almost immune to composting. So anyone who uses that compost for planting mix gets zapped. The problem hit commercial growers last year and was documented by local gardeners. I'm not sure the extent to which farmers use the chemical, non-organic straw bedding may be affected. One more reason to make your own compost on-site and avoid brought-in stuff == Dave Robison
Who will decide our common future?
ISIS Report, 20 March 2002 Rough Road from Doha to Johannesburg WTO's new mandate raises a key question: Who will decide our common future? The new mandate could intensify burning fossil fuels, logging native forests, depleting fisheries, use of toxic chemicals, and release of GMOs. Victor Menotti, Director of the International Forum on Globalisation Environment Program gives us a critical analysis. Trade ministers from 140 nations gathered in Doha, Qatar last November to give the World Trade Organization (WTO) a historic new mandate to restrain governments from regulating global corporations, removing the last shreds of people s rights to self determination and access to resources at every level. It is the biggest threat to the agenda for the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) in Johannesburg (Rio plus Ten). The Doha agenda (Box 1) has empowered the WTO to increase corporate control over natural resources by allowing decisions on their use to be driven even more closely by the short-term demands of global financial markets. It intensifies export-based farming, forestry, fishing, as well as fossil fuel burning, mining, and exploitation of other natural resources including water. It eliminates more conservation and community development policies as unfair trade barriers. It determines who captures the remnants of the world s collapsing natural resources, starting with the planet s depleted fisheries, which has been placed on the WTO agenda by World Wildlife Fund. It subordinates multilateral environmental agreements (MEAs, Box 2) to the rights of corporations. The Doha agenda was the result of an illegitimate, manipulative, untransparent and deceitful process. The result was to leave all the concerns and demands of the majority developing countries off the main agenda and relegated to an addendum text (see Deceit and manipulation at Doha, Science in Society 13/14, February 2002). Box 1 The Doha Agenda New mandates were added to the final declaration: Trade and environment - subordinates multilateral environmental agreements to trade. Market Access - to free logging, fishing and mining. Anti-Dumping may allow cheap imports to kill local industries and livelihoods. Subsidies for fisheries may prevent protection of collapsing fisheries The disputed mandates, the Singapore issues were also included: Investment - return of the Multilateral Agreement on Investment, that effectively forbids governments to protect local investments against corporations. Government procurement - effectively disables governments from controlling how the tax-dollars are spent. Competition - breaks up publicly-owned enterprises, not global monopolies. The MEAs include Montreal Protocol on Ozone Depleting Chemicals Kyoto Protocol on Climate change Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species Basel Convention on Trade in Hazardous Waste Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety POPs Treaty on Persistent Organic Pollutants The new mandates In perhaps the WTO s most direct threat to sustainable development and the entire Rio/Johannesburg process, the final Doha declaration expands the WTO s mandate to unilaterally determine its relationship to the trade sanctions that enforce multilateral environmental agreements. The Doha mandate to clarify the relationship between trade and environment can only be understood as a move to subordinate the MEAs to trade. Trade and not environment ministers are leading the negotiations, and the MEAs secretariats are given only observer status. Although it is stated that there shall be no prejudged outcomes , it is also stated that the outcomes shall not add to or diminish the rights and obligations of Members under existing WTO agreement. This can only mean that no trade rules can be changed. The precautionary approach will go out of the window. Market access will mean the expansion of exports and the elimination of legal protections that ensure sustainable use of natural resources. Particularly affected are forestry, fishing and farming. Negotiations are over the elimination of tariffs (import taxes) and so-called non-tariff measures. Forest tariffs were an issue of great concern to protestors at Seattle. Popularly known as the global Free Logging Agreement, forest conservationists succeeded in getting the US Trade Representative Robert Zoellick to publish the first, ever, environmental assessment of trade liberalisation, released just before the 1999 Ministerial. In the report, done by a timber-industry-funded group, trade officials buried the real findings: tariff reductions would result in increased logging in some of the world s most threatened original forests inhabited by indigenous peoples. Cutting tariffs reduces wood prices for consumers, in turn stimulating more wasteful consumption, especially in the rich nations. The effects on cutting tariffs in fisheries are similar. Tariff cuts for minerals, fuels, chemicals and other non-agricultural
Re: Fw: help!
Hi! Folk, This has been around for at least four years. I have twice been the 500th and received it dozens of times. The return address no longer exists and I have not been able to locate the original sender. But by all means keep it going. Gil Gideon Cowen wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: help! Subject: Please can you help - thanks The Brazilian congress is now voting on a project that will reduce the Amazon forest to 50% of its size. It will take 1 MINUTE to read this, but PLEASE
OFF RE: Mandatory vaccinations more (was Mandated vaccinations are coming)
Note: This is serious stuff and California seems to be leading the way. -Chris http://www.communitycurrency.org/3-21.html Oppose New Legislative Threat to Health and Democracy! Calling activists to rally their opposition to the Emergency Health Powers Act (In California- Bill 1763) in Sacramento at the Capitol steps at 10:00 a.m. March 21, 2002 We will rally, have a press conference, and then visit our legislators staff from 11:00 a.m. until 1:00 p.m.. The California Bill, based upon Model Health Emergency Health Powers Act, would allow the governor to declare a public health emergency, and without consulting with public health authorities, law enforcement, the legislature or courts, to: · Require any individual to be vaccinated. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. · Require any individual to undergo specific medical treatment. Refusal constitutes a crime and will result in quarantine. · Seize any property, including real estate, food, medicine, fuel or clothing, an official thinks necessary to handle the emergency. · Seize and destroy any property alleged to be hazardous. There will be no compensation or recourse. · Draft you or your business into state service. · Impose rationing, price controls, quotas and transportation controls. · Suspend any state law, regulation or rule that is thought to interfere with handling the declared emergency. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson is urging all State legislatures to adopt the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. HHS will tie passage of the Act to billions of dollars in federal funding: the usual method of bribery/coercion to get States to pass legislation that would otherwise never be considered. In California on January 8, 2002, Assembly Member Richman introduced Bill 1763 Emergency Health Powers Act. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ This may serve the Bush Administrations aims, but bodes ominously for democracy. The Patriot Bill, the Anti-Terrorism Bill, the Homeland Security Act were not written in the wake of September 11,th but in anticipation of a terrorist attack in the US. A violent military response guaranteed 100% that the U.S. would be the subject of future terrorist attacks, the government and the media assured us. The anthrax scare proved the predictions true, but unfortunately for the hawks in the Pentagon, they were unable to place the blame on Iraq (which they dearly wished to attack). Elements within the military intellegence community were most likely responsible for the anthrax attacks on Democrats and the media. The Center for Law and the Public Health was convened on Oct. 5th to draft legislation to respond to the bioterrorism threat. (The Center for Law and Public Health is run jointly by Georgetown University Law School and Johns Hopkins Medical School, and was founded under the auspices of the Center for Disease Control (CDC). CLPH was formed one month prior to the 2000 Presidential election.) A revised version was released on Dec. 21 containing more specific definitions of public health emergency as it pertains to bioterrorism and biologic agents, and includes language for those states that want to use the act for chemical, nuclear or natural disasters. As the Administration rattles its nuclear saber, bombs innocent civilians, flagrantly violates International Law, shreds the Constitution, veils itself in secrecy, admits the existence of an underground shadow government to Congress, imprisons hundreds of innocent people because of their ethnic background, blocks real inquiries into 9-11, while using that crime to justify an endless war that enriches corporate elites, the military, the oil companies, drug traffickers, more revelations of its shady relationship with Enron, Bin Laden, (not to mention a rigged election in Florida) are emerging. Doubts surface about whose interests will be served by the Model Emergency Health Powers Act. While condemning and pursuing the Al Qaeda network where convenient, the National Post reported Friday that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network has been active in the Balkans for years, most recently helping Kosovo rebels battle for independence from Serbia with the financial and military backing of the United States and NATO. Just who benefits the most from terrorist attacks? Civilians or the Military Industrial Complex and the Mulit-National Corporations so bent on dismantling on the democratic process and national sovereignty? And who would benefit the most if another bioterrorist attack occurred in the US? Why are the media and the US government trying to scare the US public and discourage Congressional investigations into 9-11 and Enron? Microbiologists around the world have been dying under suspicious circumstances in the past several months. On November 12, 2001 DynCorp announced that its subsidiary, DynPort Vaccine, had been awarded a $322
Re: Who will decide our common future?
The contol we have over these issues is with our purchasing $ and our prayers and meditations. You might not think that your contribution amounts to much, but if it is multiplied by a million it will start to be noticed. Cheers. Peter.
Re:Testing preps?
The activities, energies or forces that are accumulated in the Agricultural Remediesare the same as those that build organs in higher animals an humans. Steiner perceived that these activities, energies or forces were being pushed back by the agricultural practices current at the time. The process for each remedy should beable to be followed logically. I'm a bit slow and it took me the best part of forty years, and a bit of help from Glen, to get it sorted. I'm sure others can get it faster. Cheers, Peter. Manfred Palmer in Richmond Hill Ontario writes: The preps carry the focalized aural conditions for organizationally increased life-forms to expedite their purpose in and for the whole. ...same could be said for us as individuals, i guess. What are our preps?.
Re: Testing preps?
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Testing preps? Peter - The testing will be done by Elaine Ingham's lab in Oregon. We are still working on which tests to conduct. Elaine suggested testing as follows: The tests I'd want to see are total and active bacteria, total and active fungi, protozoa, and nematodes. If the material was added in fields with plants, running mycorrhizal colonization would be good too! But we are still discussing that also. -Allan Thanks Allan, Another question that arises is that of pathogens and is part of the reason that the sheath material for making the Biodynamic remedies has been oawed in Europe. It looks like they may have to survive on homoeopathic preps and radionics for a few yeutlars. Is there a risk that similar laws could be unleashed in U.S.A. How would one pay a contribution from this neck of the woods? Cheers Peter.
Re: Merla and the Weed Board
Dave, everything's O.K. as long as it isn't purchased. If I had made the Pfeiffer Field Spray myself, then it wouldn't have to be registered. Here are two emails I got from Randy, my nemesis yesterday andtoday. Here is Title 22, Chapter 22-2205 Registration, Chapter 22-2218 Violations, Chapter 22-2219 Remedies for Violations from Idaho Statutes. Myconclusion is that I will have to jump through the hoop. Hugh Courtney can't afford to. I will attempt to collect $5.00 from 19 families that liv on the road to be donated to the Josephine Porter Institute for registration of Pfeiffer Field Spray for use on Rapid Lightning Road. Otherwise, I will have to pay the fee myself or let it all go to waste. That would be ashamed. Randy likes to make me jump through hoops and he creates these situations whenever he can. Out west, people are much more nasty over who's in charge. They are really hostile to environmentalists. I am now the Secretary of the Weed Committee. I used to be the Secretary of the Democratic Central Committee. They will take all your hours of work, but you are not entitled to have your point-of-view actualized in the system. If you try to act politically, you will find that there are rules which will stop you from "winning." It's a closed system with an unlevel playing field. I'm just trying to keep our road from being sprayed with Curtail (2,4-D and Clopyralid) and Escort. To do this, we residents have to do the job ourselves. We have a cost-share grant because they injured a chemically sensitive resident when they sneaked in and sprayed. The up side of Glenn's hyper sensitive reaction is that it showed graphically to the road residents that the herbicide is dangerous to humans. I used to be a solar groupie starting in 1979. I went to all the International Solar Energy Society meetings and listened to the inventors give presentations on all facets of solar energy. At a certain point, the big corporations made each one an offer they couldn't refuse for their product/invention and it was either suppressed or changed. It was a heady time for me. I guess I am drawn to inventors. I hope this does not happen to you all. Somehow, Hugh Courtney and the traditional Biodynamic group avoided this by a combination of secretiveness and a low profile. I hate to register Pfeiffer Field Spray because it gives them all the details. I respect Hugh Courtney and I don't want to cause any changes in what JPI is doing. He is very concerned about not wanting to be materialistic. Merla Merla, I don't think you understand the problem. I personally don't care what you use on your project, but what ever you use should be both safe and effective. It is against the law to use any pesticide, ferterlizer soil ammendant, of what ever unless it is registered with the Idaho Dept. of Agrticulture. It would be pretty stupid for the Weed Board to OK the use of money from the Dept. of Ag. to use an illegal product. Furthermore you seem to worry a whole lot about how bad chemicals are, but seem to forget that some biological agents, can be devastating to agriclulture. Randy He softens in the second email, but the answer is the same Merla, I finally got back to your email and read it again... No I do not think that we can, or should pay for the registration of the product. If the company selling it has enough confidence in the stuff and they want to sell it in Idaho they can register it. If you have been using it on the road, please stop. You are breaking the law. If in any way shape of form it looks like the board is condoning the use of an unregistered product we can all get in deep trouble. Bye Randy TITLE 22 AGRICULTURE AND HORTICULTURE CHAPTER 22 SOIL AND PLANT AMENDMENTS 22-2205. PRODUCTS -- REGISTRATION REQUIRED. (1) Each separately identifiable soil amendment or plant amendment product shall be registered before being distributed in this state. The application for registration shall be submitted to the department on a form furnished by the department, and shall be accompanied by a nonrefundable fee of one hundred dollars ($100) per product and a label of each product, unless a current label is on file at the department. Companies planning to mix customer formula soil amendments or plant amendments shall include the statement "customer formula mixes" under the "products" column on the registration application form. Upon approval by the department, a certificate of registration shall be furnished to the applicant. (2) In determining whether a label statement of an ingredient is appropriate, the department may require the submission of a written statement describing the method of laboratory analysis used, the source of all ingredient material and any reference material relied on to support the label statement or guarantee of the ingredients. (3) Upon receipt of a complete application for registration of a product, the department may test and analyze an official sample of the product to determine whether the contents of the
