Re: Lancaster County
I am sorry that the Northeast doesn't have any other acceptable sites for our specialty. I am sorry that the specialty committee has felt itself to be blindsided by the reaction to its decision to hold the Specialty in Lancaster County. Having said that, I will not knowingly support financially a part of the country that has come to be known as a major puppy mill locale, the same way I will not support financially retail pet stores that sell puppies. I hope that those who choose to attend this event are able to provide a big educational blitz to the community on the evils of the puppy mills and the substandard conditions most of these dogs endure. We each must choose which role to play in protecting the future of our breed. Mary Shaver Fayetteville, GA
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Posted in plain text for Sherry: ! have been awake pretty much since Wednesday morning but I had to post this.. I am so proud of my girl Macy..aka... Santera's Evening Masquerade.. Macy freewhelped 18 beautiful Berner babies yesterday. 9 males and 9 females. She began her labor at about 5:30 am yesterday morning. Her first pup was delivered at 8:30 am .. she continued at a relaxed pace for the next 18 hours. Her last pup a small female was delivered at 2:30 am this morning,. sadly that last pup couldn't hang on and we lost her this morning.. Macy had no drugs of any type.. She did it all completely on her own. Puppies all weigh between 14 and 16 ozs. and all but 1 have very nice markings.. 1 has very high white "boots" on both his front feet. I want to thank Macy's breeder Sandy Novocin for allowing me to choose Macy. I went to Sandy looking for a bitch that had good orthopedics and longevity that could possibly also bring free whelping into my lines.. I have had alot of problems in my lines with having to section everything for very small litters. Macy has been everything I could ask for and more..She has a wonderful temperment and is a nice moving bitch with beautiful expression. The daddy to this litter is my Rigg's..Sunshine-Von Engel's Lethal Weapon. Celia Cuellar bred this wonderful boy. I was fortunate to get him.. He is a beautiful big boy with lots of type..He is a wonderful ambassador to the breed and I am hopeful that he will lend some of his size and beautiful type to this litter. As an added bonus Mom and Dad are both excellents with clear elbows and have nornal eyes, hearts and thryoids. Sandy and Celia.. Thank you for allowing these 2 wonderful dogs to be a part of my breeding program. It is quite an accomplishment in this breed to have a bitch that will free whelp.. let alone such a large litter..and with NO help. I see lot's of supplementing in my future..Anyone know how to find out if there has been a larger litter than this? maybe Macy is a new Titleholder after all now to get some sleep Sherry Von Engel BMD's
Re: SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/boycott
Below are some links to what is going on in Lancaster County. While some city and government officials may not see it as a problem others may view it differently http://www.hua.org/Prisoners/Lancastercounty.html http://www.goodsamaritanpetcenter.net/animalsmills.htm http://www.srdogs.com/Pages/newsmay01.html Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Tom, I'm sorry, I didn't realize! The 2005 people just got the information about the Specialty? Or have they had longer than 2 years? Didn't they realize a year ago or more that they were doing this? Wasn't that 3 years, or is my math really rusty? Couldn't we have used a site that we had used before? Do we really need to have someplace different all the time? We've had some lovely sites in the past, why is there a feeling that we can't ever use the same site again? Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- >Generally it's easy to arrange a specialty four years in advance (which >the BMDCA doesn't do). It is possible to do one three years out, and >difficult to arrange one that is two years away. Do the math -- 2005 is >two years away.
Re: SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/boycott
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Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Thanks for the explanation. While I'm sure my presence won't be missed I think it's too bad that as usual the BMDCA has shown that the show is more important than the dog Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:14:38 -0400 Tom Jaskiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Why > >would they suggest this site? Are there so few sites in that area > of the > >country that this is the only place to have a show? > > > The short answer is yes. > > It is amazingly difficult to find a good specialty show site in the > east > (and probably everywhere else, too). The major issues are the hotel > > rooms for a large number of people and dogs, the dog show space, and > the > banquet/meeting room space for specialty events. > > Then there are the conflicts with all breed shows. Any show within > 250 > miles of the specialty has to give you permission to hold your show > and > forgo classes for your breed. Every site and date in the east has > such > a conflict to resolve -- and they usually come in twos (a Saturday > and > Sunday show). Sometimes you can't get permission. > > Generally it's easy to arrange a specialty four years in advance > (which > the BMDCA doesn't do). It is possible to do one three years out, > and > difficult to arrange one that is two years away. Do the math -- > 2005 is > two years away. > > --Tom Jaskiewicz From New Hampshire, where the bitches > are > (& Gita & Kepler)strong, the dogs are good looking, and > all > [EMAIL PROTECTED]the puppies are above average. > > > >
SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/boycott
SOME FACTS on lancaster puppy mills/ oycott i have investigating over the last few days on the issue of a supposed existing organized boycott of lancaster > > county and what effect it has had to correct the problems with the issue of local puppy mills. here's a summary of my findings to date (as it's 4:30 on Friday, i can no longer reach anyone until Monday for further info). i know it is not complete research, but as opinions are being espoused, here is some data to think about over the weekend. 1) spoke with the Lancaster county chamber of commerce. both their advocacy director and assistant director (christine newswanger and angie fritz) have heard nothing about a boycott of the county due to puppy mill situation, (717)_397-3531 2) the Better Business Bureau 717-291-1151 also had no knowledge 3) the Lancaster county convention and visitors bureau, exec.dir, cheryl devin's, assistant ,marian gochnauer, gave me the following information: only 10-15 % of all of the population in the county is Amish or Mennonite. only 25-33% of all of the "pennsylvania dutch" or those of german descent in the county are amish or mennonite ( the amish have the reputation of the puppy mills). other sects are river bretheren, quaker, and bretheren in christ. she was aware of "a" boycott, and said it was not having much impact. they did get some letters one or two years ago mostly from california and other western states saying that the people writing the letters would not be visiting the area due to puppy mills. she would research it further to see if there was a specific group behind the letters and get back to me 4) for more info on the county see www.co.lancaster.pa.us 5) this is the number for the lancaster county commissioners office: 717-299-8300 6) spoketo judy ridley-kennedy at the PA dept of agriculture 717-787-4737 bureau of dog law enforcement. the state of PA licenses every kennel that breeds, sells or trades and houses 26 or more dogs. in lancaster county there are about 200 kennels,mostly amish. she confirmed that there is a Dog Law Advisory Board , request in writing to Mr Burd, Acting Director, to attend a quarterly meeting, 717-787-3062. they develop issues that may go to legislation in the state. see www.doglaw.state.pa.us. this advisory group is made up of 5 members: Pa Fed. of Humaine Societies, PLAN (PA league of Animal Networks)-, contact person: Ann Irwin, who is alsoPresident-, Buchanan county Humaine Society, Assoc, of Professionail Pet Breeders, PA Fed of Dog Clubs, Pa Veterinary Medical Assoc. 8) i called the Lancaster city mayor's office 717-291-4701and have not spoken to anyone there yet 9) i called the lancaster county humaine league which is a shelter 717-393-655. tammi mcAnear, operations mgr, Pat, - kennel tech, there are 2 full time curelty officers appointed by the court to inspect and respond to complaints. she hasn't heard of a boycott either.they dont have a fund set up to accept donations ( i asked if i could make a donation) and they take in sick dogs and ones with behavioral issues and investigate cruelty complaints. she felt that educating people on responsible breedership and ownership was the most important approach to eliminating puppy mills. she said there was a group called CAP, dedicated to getting rid of the mills did exist but has dissolved. 10) i spoke with Dick Hess, Southern Lancaster Cty Dog Warden (717) 392-2692 and Travis Lass, Northern Lancaster Cty Dog Warden,(717)721 3072 . They felt that the best way to deal with the issue was thru state legislation change. Right now the state legislates crate size, air circulation, clean water, and clean food and area under the crates for waste. Mr Hess felt that a strong lobby for mandating once or twice daily exercise of the dogs would put the mills out of business as he felt they would not have the time or interest to comply. . In his opinion, THIS WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED TIMES MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A GENERAL BOYCOTT OF THE COUNTY. There is also no legislation that requires the animals to receive affection. He told that he encountered NO bernese in kennels and one local breeder had 4,not in cages, and treated them like royalty. The majority of puppy mill dogs are cockapoos, boston terriers and other small breeds. One breeder had labs, running free, which he felt was preferable to crates. 11) Lancaster Kennel Club breeder referal: 717-293-9819. left message twice. EastLampeter,PA 12) Lancaster Kennel Club show, May 11,2003, chair Dr.Earl Ackard 717-898-9624. called twice, no answer.(message machine full)--> > 13) Lancaster County Kennel Club, Pres. Mark Bair,VP- Barry Brunner,Treas. Russel Woodling (have not reached any of these men) This is some information from the actual people involved with the dog population i also checked out the websites in pat long's email on puppy mills and was not able to gather any hard proof, facts or evidence from them that they had been in the least bit successful to shut
Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Thank you, Tom sara >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Why >>would they suggest this site? Are there so few sites in that area of the >>country that this is the only place to have a show? >> >The short answer is yes. > >It is amazingly difficult to find a good specialty show site in the east >(and probably everywhere else, too). The major issues are the hotel >rooms for a large number of people and dogs, the dog show space, and the >banquet/meeting room space for specialty events. > >Then there are the conflicts with all breed shows. Any show within 250 >miles of the specialty has to give you permission to hold your show and >forgo classes for your breed. Every site and date in the east has such >a conflict to resolve -- and they usually come in twos (a Saturday and >Sunday show). Sometimes you can't get permission. > >Generally it's easy to arrange a specialty four years in advance (which >the BMDCA doesn't do). It is possible to do one three years out, and >difficult to arrange one that is two years away. Do the math -- 2005 is >two years away. > >--Tom Jaskiewicz From New Hampshire, where the bitches are > (& Gita & Kepler)strong, the dogs are good looking, and all > [EMAIL PROTECTED]the puppies are above average. > >
!! Happy 10th Birthday !!
Our boy Kaiser, DeGrasso's Kaiser v Legacy, will be 10 years old on Sunday, June 8th. Born June 8th, 1993. He, of course, is the sweetest berner I know. He's taught me show much including how to work with a draft dog (earning his NDD at the ripe old age of seven in a draft test he flew to Golden CO for), how to give the best back scratches, how to grind up all those veggies for his breakfast, how to always smile back at him.he is always smiling. Kaiser sure gave David and I a scare a year ago, David came home after work one day while I was out of town to find Kaiser standing there with a broken leg. Two days later after surgery, he was on the mend, then a week to the day later the leg fractured again at the 'screw points'. Then off to Canada for a second, successful surgery, he was a trooper through it all. And today he can give all but my girl a run for their money. He might be a little gray (just a touch), his rust might be fading a bit, but his smile will never fade. It is an honor to know and love him. HAPPY 10th BIRTHDAY my boy! from your mom and pop, and Mica, Osa and Raja too! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they suggest this site? Are there so few sites in that area of the country that this is the only place to have a show? The short answer is yes. It is amazingly difficult to find a good specialty show site in the east (and probably everywhere else, too). The major issues are the hotel rooms for a large number of people and dogs, the dog show space, and the banquet/meeting room space for specialty events. Then there are the conflicts with all breed shows. Any show within 250 miles of the specialty has to give you permission to hold your show and forgo classes for your breed. Every site and date in the east has such a conflict to resolve -- and they usually come in twos (a Saturday and Sunday show). Sometimes you can't get permission. Generally it's easy to arrange a specialty four years in advance (which the BMDCA doesn't do). It is possible to do one three years out, and difficult to arrange one that is two years away. Do the math -- 2005 is two years away. --Tom Jaskiewicz From New Hampshire, where the bitches are (& Gita & Kepler)strong, the dogs are good looking, and all [EMAIL PROTECTED]the puppies are above average.
Collars for Berners
Has there been a definitive conclusion of what collars are best to use with Berners? I have switched from a prong collar to a buckle collar. Our berner girl of 9 months doesn't seem to mind pulling on the leash with either one. My wife swears by the prong collar and I refuse to put her on it. Any recommendations? Terry Bering
Re: crossing the border
On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:04:04 -0700 Swisskiss BMD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Everyone if you are crossing the border from Canada to the US > and you > are bringing dog food make sure it is in the original bag with the > ingredients on it The recent problem with Mad Cow disease in Canada resulted in the recall of several brands of Canadian packaged dog food. The concern wasn't that there was a problem for the dogs but that any tainted food could be cross fed to livestock susceptible to the disease Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
Re: crossing the border
Yes, "these days" are different. When we crossed the border, both to and from, it was "Code Orange" for terrorist alert. It was dropped down to "Yellow" when we got back. sara >Wanting to see ID for the humans is more than understandable these days >whether it be Canada or US. Better safe than sorry. When we flew up to >Montreal to go to the Specialty in Ottawa, Air Canada checked everything >carefully here at this end. They checked health certificate, rabies >certificate, and check the verikennel inside and out. Once the dog was put >into the kennel, it could not be touched by any of us! We could not open >the door for water or anything. > >On our return from Montreal to San Francisco, (Air Canada again) no >paperwork on the dog was shown, our passports were checked and no big deal >with the kennelall dog food (there and back) was in ziplock >bags, backed in my grooming bag. Customs were more concerned about the type >of motor on my dryer...they took the dryer out of the bag, checked it out >and didn't care about anything else... > >The great part was Air Canada (in Montreal) gave me a special pass to hand >carry on the lovely mail box that we received as a gift for BOSthey >loved it! > >Carol, Billy, Ernie and Maura > > >- Original Message - > > We just returned from Canada, too, after the BMDCC/BMDCO Specialty in >Ottawa. We have never, in our 30 years of border crossings had the >following: >Canada: Wanted IDs from us and Health Certificates and/or Rabies proof for >the dogs. > > US: Wanted photo IDs of us, Health Certs and/or Rabies proof for the >dogs---plus! the man wanted to actually see the dogs! > > sara steele > > > >
Re: crossing the border
Wanting to see ID for the humans is more than understandable these days whether it be Canada or US. Better safe than sorry. When we flew up to Montreal to go to the Specialty in Ottawa, Air Canada checked everything carefully here at this end. They checked health certificate, rabies certificate, and check the verikennel inside and out. Once the dog was put into the kennel, it could not be touched by any of us! We could not open the door for water or anything. On our return from Montreal to San Francisco, (Air Canada again) no paperwork on the dog was shown, our passports were checked and no big deal with the kennelall dog food (there and back) was in ziplock bags, backed in my grooming bag. Customs were more concerned about the type of motor on my dryer...they took the dryer out of the bag, checked it out and didn't care about anything else... The great part was Air Canada (in Montreal) gave me a special pass to hand carry on the lovely mail box that we received as a gift for BOSthey loved it! Carol, Billy, Ernie and Maura - Original Message - We just returned from Canada, too, after the BMDCC/BMDCO Specialty in Ottawa. We have never, in our 30 years of border crossings had the following: Canada: Wanted IDs from us and Health Certificates and/or Rabies proof for the dogs. US: Wanted photo IDs of us, Health Certs and/or Rabies proof for the dogs---plus! the man wanted to actually see the dogs! sara steele
Re: crossing the border
We just returned from Canada, too, after the BMDCC/BMDCO Specialty in Ottawa. We have never, in our 30 years of border crossings had the following: Canada: Wanted IDs from us and Health Certificates and/or Rabies proof for the dogs. US: Wanted photo IDs of us, Health Certs and/or Rabies proof for the dogs---plus! the man wanted to actually see the dogs! sara steele >Hi Everyone if you are crossing the border from Canada to the US and you >are bringing dog food make sure it is in the original bag with the >ingredients on it. My friend got stopped today at the border for two hours >and all of her dogs food and her meat some veggies and fruit were >confiscated. I am not sure if the dog food has to be in the original bag >"unopened" so you might want to check before you cross the border and loose >everything. >Madeline >Swisskiss Bernese Mountain Dogs >'Loyal Loving Companions' >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.swisskiss-bmd.com >Don't Breed If You Don't Rescue! > >
crossing the border
Hi Everyone if you are crossing the border from Canada to the US and you are bringing dog food make sure it is in the original bag with the ingredients on it. My friend got stopped today at the border for two hours and all of her dogs food and her meat some veggies and fruit were confiscated. I am not sure if the dog food has to be in the original bag "unopened" so you might want to check before you cross the border and loose everything. Madeline Swisskiss Bernese Mountain Dogs 'Loyal Loving Companions' [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.swisskiss-bmd.com Don't Breed If You Don't Rescue!
RE: Containment issues
I have been reading about all of the ways that people are confining their berners while they are not at home. I guess I must be one of the lucky ones. I have never confined Tulie while she was home alone. Tulie is now nine, and although she goes most places with me, there are times that I do leave her home alone. She has NEVER gotten into anything. I do nothing special to prepare the house before leaving either. I have left Tulie at several friends places, alone and with their dogs, and still no problems. Even at my parents place where there are numerous things she could probably get into, have not been a problem. In fact, it has suprised me at times when some people question me about leaving Tulie. It's just never been an issue with her. I do understand and think it's great that owners know their own dogs well enough to do what is best. I appreciate every day I have with Tulie, and know that I may not be as lucky with others dogs in the future. Tami Winner Merced, CA _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Re: Babies & Berners
I agree with lots of Rose's suggestions and observations. We have two children, 2 1/2 years and 5 months. Our berner, Boris (now 7), has been great with both children. We followed some of the suggestions from the "experts" and mostly just listened to our own common sense (you'll find out that works for raising children too!) Boris took a bit more managing around the children than other dogs because he is mostly blind from PRA. Here are my suggestions/observations: Bring an item of the baby's clothing home from the hospital (before you bring the baby home) for the dog to smell, so the scent is not a strange one when he first meets the baby. When you do come home with the baby you should greet your dog without the baby. I let Boris smell and nuzzle both babies, but use your best judgement, Boris is a very gentle nuzzler. Obedience training is the best thing for dogs around children. I have used our carting commands a lot too. Stop, back, left and right work great. A good "leave it" command will be needed when toddlers start wandering around the house with food. Never leave children and dogs together unattended. Always keep in mind the safety of both child and dog. I would never want to put my dog in a position to have to tolerate hair and ear pulling from a toddler and, of course, would not want a child inadvertently stepped on or bowled over by a 100 pound dog. Remember, the Berner is a working breed. Your dog will probably take on the baby as his "job". Alerting you to crying is common. Its easy to give your dog attention when he is following you and the baby around the house all day! Boris has now switched his "job" to the new baby, but we're both much more relaxed this time around! Walking is a great way to get your shape back after pregnancy. Train your dog to walk beside the stroller before the baby arrives so you can practice without worrying about a new infant. I think the bottom line is watching your dog to see his reaction around the baby in the first few weeks and trusting your instincts. And by all means give your dogs as much attention as they need! It is a bit of extra work to have dogs and babies but I would never want to have it any other way. I will always cherish memories of Boris standing still and strong so my son could hold on to him when learning to walk and my son's first word being "boris". Good luck with the new baby! Karen Heitkamp Mountain View, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA
If only one small voice would have any effect. But I feel it is like throwing a stone in a lake and the rings keep multipying until the whole pool is affected! I will always support the puppy mill issues and the anti-mistreatment of animals. They (the animals) are gifts from above and it up to us to uphold a vow of decent treatment and raising of such animals. They can teach us so much...just listen to your dog and your heart...they are like children and deserve the best. Carol Slider Pat Long & Paul Dangel wrote: > AND THANK YOU FOR USING IT SO EFFECTIVELY > > Pat > > -Original Message- > From: THOMAS SLIDER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA > > Pat.. > > I may not have the money or resources to hurt the puppy mills, but I sure > as hell have a mouth to express my concerns. > Hugs, > Carol > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this with the List! > > > > I'm hoping they will reconsider the show site... > > > > Pat > >
Don't open Jean Cheesman's messages - virus alert!
Hi Jean (Cheesman) just phoned me to say that her computer got infected by the latest version of Iworm - bugbear 32 ( or something to that effect!) and the virus has played havoc with her system. She got infected by opening a message from a berner -l member who thanked her for her help whilst their Berner died and sent her an updated version of the Rainbow Bridge poem. This attachment carried the virus. Please note: the sender might not be aware that they are sending a virus. Please DO NOT open any private messages from Jean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) until she posts to the list that she is all clean again. Michaela, Harvey & Rupert Devon/UK
Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA
If only one small voice would have any effect. But I feel it is like throwing a stone in a lake and the rings keep multipying until the whole pool is affected! I will always support the puppy mill issues and the anti-mistreatment of animals. They (the animals) are gifts from above and it up to us to uphold a vow of decent treatment and raising of such animals. They can teach us so much...just listen to your dog! Pat Long & Paul Dangel wrote: > AND THANK YOU FOR USING IT SO EFFECTIVELY > > Pat > > -Original Message- > From: THOMAS SLIDER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA > > Pat.. > > I may not have the money or resouces to hurt the puppy mills, but I sure > as hell have a mouth to express my concerns. > Hugs, > Carol > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this with the List! > > > > I'm hoping they will reconsider the show site... > > > > Pat > >
Re: A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA
I have attended every BMDCA national specialty since my first in 1990. That is 13 specialties to date with next year being 14. It will be with great sadness that I stay home in 2005 should the BMDCA decide to have it's specialty in a county being boycotted for its inhumane treatment of not just dogs but all animals. While this is a disappointment there are enough regional specialties that I can still get a good feel for what dogs are being shown and bred and to see what is being produced that I do not feel I will be missing anything. It may also be a good time to take advantage of the specialty to our north and visit our friends in Canada for their National specialty. Preferably the BMDCA will rethink it's current plan to have a specialty in Lancaster County PA. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
my dog star
Have some braggin to do. I just saw a copy of Dog Fancy magazine that has the articles about Berners. Well, as I flipped through the pages I was surprised to find my Titan's picture in there!!! I guess my breeder really liked the photo I sent her, and now he is in print for all to see!!! So proud of my baby, but wish I would have known he was going to be in there! He's in the ad for DeGrasso's Breeder, in the photo is the caption "I'm Titan, you can't get cuter than this." Janice (proud mom) and Titan Faust (I told you I was special) _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture
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Puppy Advice from Gelli
Hi All, I'm learning to type so that I could clue in my puppy pals on the Berner-l about my humans and their house. This house has these things called stairs. They are at doorways and they have gates. Stairs go up and down but I'm not allowed to go down and for up I only get to try two steps. Then, my humans carry me. That's okay with me because getting carried is an especially good opportunity to taste ears and beards and nibble noses and give them a chance to smell my puppy breath. (Have you noticed how humans make a big deal about cuddling?) Mom wears these dangly things from her ears and they are always good for a nice yank. She squeaks even better than my toy hippo. Now listen up. This is really important. Have you heard of this place called the KITCHEN? WOW! Its the next best thing to a dead fish! When you move to your new house figure out where the kitchen is right away. In kitchens great stuff falls right out of the air! Mom and Dad stand and make these chop, chop noises. When they do that carrots, bread, cheese, nuts, apples and all kinds of good things drop onto the floor. Last week I got a piece of really stinky Parmesan cheese. (Not as good as Swiss but it will do.) The best place to position yourself is right on Mom's foot. It took me a few days to figure this out but now I know what to do. When stuff hits the floor I catch it and run really, really fast to my special place where I can take my time tasting, smelling and poking it to see if it will escape. If it tastes good, I eat it. But be careful because not everything is yummy. Yesterday, I got some lettuce. BLECH! If you ever catch lettuce spit it out fast! One other bit of important information: its critical to understand the sound "NO!". Its the most frequent noise humans make and they seem to think it is important. If they make the NO sound it might be because of something you are doing. -- Test several times to be sure. The louder the sound the more likely it is that you are doing something to make it happen. In my experiments, NO has consistently proven to mean that I am doing something that the humans notice. Well, gotta run. I have to pee and Mom and Dad make such a big deal about this that its a special event. Its so funny - if I wait until we are outside they run and jump around squealing "Good Boy!" I hold it just to watch them act goofy. AND I get treats for peeing outside -- are these humans weird or what? - Best regards from your pal, Gelli the Bernese Mountain Dog. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Lancaster Ban
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Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture
Hi, That story just brings tears to my eyes, so tragic. I have my house doggy proofed. My Orion has free roam while were out, short of a few problematic rooms. I'll be late to somewhere rather than not checking to make sure he'll be safe. Audrey Seiler - Original Message - From: "Burlile\MemoriesBMDs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Berner-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture > >Our first boy got confined in > the kitchen his whole life. I figure for > >his own safety. > > Meet Memories Break the Bank Penny . an 8 month old Berner baby > that was placed with a perfect couple. Of course they knew all about > Berners as they had loved one for years and years before she passed away. > > The first time Penny "redecorated" while they were out, memories of > puppyhood flooded back to the perfect couple. I answered a > do-you-have-any-suggestions phone call with all of my usual suggestions and > received an avalanche of impossibilites for my time. "Too restrictive, too > cruel, too much training, too hard, no room, no way," the list went on and > on why a crate or room confinement wasn't the "instant, cure-all" suggestion > to Penny's on again, off again home renovation. > > A couple of months passed and I received another phone call from the perfect > couple. Penny had been left loose to do as she pleased while they were out > to dinner with friends. Their evening of relaxation ended abruptly as they > returned to find a semi-comatose Penny.Penny was doing a little "clean > up" for them while they were out ... after all, she loved her perfect couple > to death. Penny died within 16 hours of ingesting a bottle of Phen-fen > diet pills that were absentmindedly left on a low table. > > I cringe and cry each time I hear those avalanche of excuses and say a > prayer that another perfect couple, or family, isn't loved . to death. > > Tailwags, > Cathy Burlile > In memory of Penny > > > >
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Re: BERNER-L digest 4447
Andie My guy is also confined in the kitchen when we go out. We use out kitchen chairs as a barrier and he has never tried to move them or hop over them. Esta Dalsass NJ
Re: Request for Input - BMDCA Info Sheet Re: Understanding Pedigrees
reposted in plain text for Robin. Read up people, I know you have questions and input about this one - I'll dig up some of the old digest posts about the registry information that some of you have done, anything else you've posted that you think might help, let me know and I'll try to find it to give to Robin! Pat - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, As I shared in an earlier post today about the BMDCA Info Series, work is underway to prepare an Info Sheet on the topic of understanding and putting information to work gleaned from pedigrees when researching breeders and selecting puppies. Please remember the audience for this public information series -- those considering the breed and/or new to the breed. What would be really helpful to the volunteers working on this project is to hear from those new to purebred dogs and/or new to the breed. Specifically, we'd really appreciate understanding what you didn't know "back then" and what you have found insightful since that time regarding pedigrees and related topics. And, BMD breeders, we need your help as well. Please reflect on your novice puppy buyers re: their knowledge or lack thereof in terms of pedigrees and offer any insights than you can. Writing this Info Sheet is proving to be harder than it sounds. And we really want to be helpful to the target audience. Please be advised that I plan to share your input with the team working on this unless I am advised that I may not forward the thoughts shared. Many thanks in advance. Best wishes, Robin Hamme Editor/BMDCA Info Series & ShadyOak BMDs Evansville, IN, USA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Westchester NY Berner Walk Rescheduled
***The Westchester NY Berner Walk has been rescheduled to Saturday 6/21 at 11am. *** Please join us in the beautiful Rockwood Hall Park section of the Rockefellar State Park Preserve for the first annual Westchester NY Berner Walk. Meet in the park entrance between 10-11am. Please note that park regulations require that all dogs be leashed. Please bring your own food and water because park has no facilities. Directions: Rockwood Hall Park: Off Route 9 or Rockwood Road exit off Route 117 West Sleepy Hollow, NY 10591 (914) 631-1470 Estate grounds of former Rockwood Hall, an extension of the Rockefeller State Park Preserve. Hiking, picnicking, views of the Hudson. For more information contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can't wait to see you all!
A Boycott for Lancaster Country PA
There would be NO WAY I, or any of my berner friends, would attend a specialty in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. With the issues concerning puppy mills in that area and how I am against such practices, I could not support this tragedy! I lived and worked in Lancaster County for about 10 years and came to love the area and its people of the land. But no way would I condone the increasing puppy mills in this area. This is an ongoing issue among breeders and dog lovers that seems to be shuffled under the table and leaves us frustrated to no end! When I shopped at the farmers' markets there, often I saw many puppies for sale along with the livestock. Besides the original recipients that I sent this to, I could add another 20 or so, and in turn, they could do the same. But I will add, for these puppy mills to thrive, there has to be an ignorant demand of said puppies. Living here now in NC, I have met so many people (general public) who do not know what a puppy mill is and think there is nothing wrong with getting a pup from a pet shop. After all, they are cute pups, their kids see them and want them, and the parents willingly buy them.no questions asked! This is not just happening in NC but in many of the US states. It is a big unethical money making business! Why would the committee even consider such a site?? Pennsylvania has many, many other counties that do not support puppy mills. Carol Slider North Carolina, USA
Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture
>Our first boy got confined in > the kitchen his whole life. I figure for >his own safety. Meet Memories Break the Bank Penny . an 8 month old Berner baby that was placed with a perfect couple. Of course they knew all about Berners as they had loved one for years and years before she passed away. The first time Penny "redecorated" while they were out, memories of puppyhood flooded back to the perfect couple. I answered a do-you-have-any-suggestions phone call with all of my usual suggestions and received an avalanche of impossibilites for my time. "Too restrictive, too cruel, too much training, too hard, no room, no way," the list went on and on why a crate or room confinement wasn't the "instant, cure-all" suggestion to Penny's on again, off again home renovation. A couple of months passed and I received another phone call from the perfect couple. Penny had been left loose to do as she pleased while they were out to dinner with friends. Their evening of relaxation ended abruptly as they returned to find a semi-comatose Penny.Penny was doing a little "clean up" for them while they were out ... after all, she loved her perfect couple to death. Penny died within 16 hours of ingesting a bottle of Phen-fen diet pills that were absentmindedly left on a low table. I cringe and cry each time I hear those avalanche of excuses and say a prayer that another perfect couple, or family, isn't loved . to death. Tailwags, Cathy Burlile In memory of Penny
2005 Specialty
I'm excited, having heard from a couple of sources that the 2005 Specialty might be within striking distance of my home. I'd love to participate at least in the agility trial but here's the rub. I don't go very far for trials because of time and cost. But it would be much more attractive if the agility trial were open to other breeds. Many specialties do this and turn the agility trial into a money maker instead of a monetary loss. They will often have one day just for the breed and then one or two days open for all breeds. Or they might open all the days to all breeds but have special awards for the featured breed. Is there anyone else out there who would find this to be attractive? Who should be contacted with this suggestion? Claudia Brydon in NW PA Barney OA OAJ AD (Aussie) Boomer NAP (Bernese Mountain Dog) Mo NA NAJ (Gordon Setter Granddog)
RE: Lancaster PA boycott
Hi Pat, Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand the motive behind the ban:-) Rose -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 6, 2003 6:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Lancaster PA boycott - Original Message - Could you please tell us what effect this boycott is supposed to have. If its a question of taxes why not boycott the whole state? Rose, Good question! There have been many attempts at the state level to correct the laws that allow the puppy mill conditions to continue unabated, but those pieces of legislation are always held up by the representatives of Lancaster County - who are quite rightly protecting their human constituents. The legislators from the rest of the state are on board, we were able to at least get a Puppy Lemon Lawa passed a number of years ago - which helps. But in order to make the other changes that are necessary, the Lancaster County residents need to be convinced that there is a need for change. Much of their income comes from the tourist industry, which has suffered in the very recent past. A well known radio personality in New York state advertised the need for the boycott, which helped significantly. If you need more information, let me know and I'll see what I can find for you! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA ___ _ Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: stupid questions
Re the answer: 6. Yes, they shed. I thought that #5 (below) was the answer to that question: 5. More than you'd ever imagine! Jill Kramer and Benny Baltimore, MD Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Berner l'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: stupid questions Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 16:36:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. > Berner fun FAQs > 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog > 2. From Bern, not Burma > 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 > 4. Not as much as you'd think > 5. More than you'd ever imagine! > > The fun was in making up the matching questions!
RE: Lancaster PA boycott
- Original Message - Could you please tell us what effect this boycott is supposed to have. If its a question of taxes why not boycott the whole state? Rose, Good question! There have been many attempts at the state level to correct the laws that allow the puppy mill conditions to continue unabated, but those pieces of legislation are always held up by the representatives of Lancaster County - who are quite rightly protecting their human constituents. The legislators from the rest of the state are on board, we were able to at least get a Puppy Lemon Lawa passed a number of years ago - which helps. But in order to make the other changes that are necessary, the Lancaster County residents need to be convinced that there is a need for change. Much of their income comes from the tourist industry, which has suffered in the very recent past. A well known radio personality in New York state advertised the need for the boycott, which helped significantly. If you need more information, let me know and I'll see what I can find for you! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: New Release - BMDCA Info Series: BMDs & Rescue
sorry, this was her full post, I found it! Posted in plain text for Robin: The purpose of this post is to update you on a variety of topics. First, Info Sheet #15 is now posted on the BMDCA website (go to www.bmdca.org and click on Info Series). Its title and subject matter is BMDs and Rescue. We owe thanks to many individuals in the rescue community who have worked hard on this newest edition to the BMDCA Info Series and we'd especially like to thank Dorothy Turley for all of her efforts. Please help us get the word out that this resource is now available. It's a nice supplement to one-on-one interactions with individuals who think they might be interested in a rescue BMD as well as for broader communications and educational initiatives. If anyone needs a B&W version of this document please send me a note privately. For those of you who might not be familiar with the BMDCA Info Series let me provide some background. We kicked off this public information series at the 2002 National Specialty in West Virginia. Its targeted audience is people who are considering the breed and BMD owners new to the breed. Each Info Sheet covers basic, "101" level information in an easy-to-read format and provides tips for learning more. Each Info Sheet is two pages so that it can be copied as a single sheet, double sided handout. BMD clubs and others are using these materials in a "mix and match" approach to augment a variety of initiatives - puppy information packets, workshops handouts, responses to general breed inquiries and more. In the June edition of The Alpenhorn you will find Info Sheet #5 - A BMD Puppy's First Year. Please visit the website and browse through this online library of resources. And, if you can think of a topic we haven't covered that you you'd like to be considered, please drop me a! note. Currently, we do have two more subjects under development - understanding the value of and constructing puppy/dog purchase contracts and developing one's savvy regarding understanding and evaluating pedigrees. And, while you are on the BMDCA website, please "click" around for much has changed and more renovation is underway. A couple of tools that may be new to some might be the BMD Compatibility Profiler and information about the BMDCA Breed Steward Program. We all owe our thanks to Hugh Hayes, BMDCA webmaster, who has worked tirelessly on the renovation project for well over a year now. If you have any suggestions or comments regarding the website please send your thoughts to Steve Dudley, BMDCA Website Task Force Chair, Alison Jaskiewicz, Task Force member or to me. Best wishes, Robin Hamme Editor/BMDCA Info Series and Member/BMDCA Website Task Force Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Fw: My Berner
Hi All- This one's out of my league. Can someone give this lady a hand? Thanks much. Hugh - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: My Berner > I could sure use some health advice on my berner, She was taken to tufts last > night for what appeared to be rapid breathing she has lost alot of weight and > is extremely larethic. We were told that she has all the signs of having some > sort of cancer on her left lung. They did xrays and a sonagram and there > appears to be mass. Her breathing pattern is out of control. Has anyone had > expereience with this? and what did they do.
RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?
One more word on fencing...I have 4ft chain link fencing and no dog has tried to go over it, but the first day I got Titan (who at 9 mos. was already 100+ pounds) he pushed against it and went right through the bottom to visit the neighbor's dog (chain link has a lot more "give" than you'd think). I had someone come in and weave taut fence wire through the bottom of the fencing, connecting to the upright poles, and that solved the problem. So if you're planning on upgrading or installing fencing for your new pup, you might want to have this reinforcement done right at the start. Anne
Fwd: Re: safe and sane containment strategies - input?
--- Begin Message --- I vote for a big wire crate over a room or section of the house for reasonable-length periods of confinement. A crate is always ready for the pup (no last-minute puppy proofing required), it's stuffed-Kong or other chew-item friendly (you might not want food on your rugs or other flooring),it has no baseboard moulding or furniture legs to chew, and most dogs become very comfortable with their personal "den" over time. I discovered that my dogs sleep most of the time that I'm out. My male is really too big to comfortably spend a long period of time in a crate, so he has most of the house to spread out in on days I'm gone, but the female is small enough to spend several hours in her crate with no problem. On workday mornings, I fill two Kongs with kibble and nonfat cream cheese. Then I freeze them for an hour or so. When Maddie sees me gather my things to leave, she makes a bee-line for her crate, because she knows it's Kong time! The Kong and some nylabones keep her busy for a while, and she sleeps a lot (they get morning walks and an hour or so of outside yard time). So, like a playpen for babies, a crate is a convenient and safe puppy holder! Anne with Titan and Maddie (and the free-ranging cat) In a message dated 6/6/2003 8:03:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, "The Ortega Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hi. I imagine having a dog die of eating something in the house is kind of >like having your toddler get run over after bolting into the road. I saw a >bunny die if chocolate and steak once - I got there too late to intervene - >which was so sad.. Anyway, In planning for a new pup soon and avoid the >perils of ingesting bad stuff and having my good stuff wrecked, I have been >planning a crate for early traning, and then likely transition to using the >kitchen, as the confinement area for my absences, at least until we see >whether other areas might be safe... I was just wondering whether a "baby >gate" will do it, and for how long, for kitchen confinement, or whether I >have to create a higher barrier. Some baby gates are the wooden expanding >kind, some are plastic and slide to adjust in width and are held in place by >tension with large rubber stoppers on both sides. My kitchen has three >entrances - laundry room which could stay open (not much in there besides >washer, dryer, hot water heater (???), chemicals are up high in a cabinet, >and clothes don't go in there while they wait to be washed..., and the other >two entrances are to a bedroom and dining room, so I would be putting up two >or three baby gates, presumably. In my kitchen, I would be buying those >child proof things that keep your cabinets closed, and there is nothing else >ground level that could fit in one's mouth. I would have to relocate my >trash can and perhaps the shorter table where my phone now sits. The bedroom >currently has a makeshift poorly hung/ fitted hollow wood door with no >lactch/ closure installed (you just push and it opens), so I would have to >either use a baby gate there, or install several hook and eye type latches >and see if that was enough... The kitchen counters come to my belly button, >so an adult but not a pup, could access them, so I'd soon have to minimize >what 's on the countertops (appliances, dish drain...). Any suggestions? >Also, some of my yard fencing is 6 foot, but some shorter segments just 4 >foot -- will an adult or growing berner clear that four foot height with a >good jump, or should I just be more concerned about digging issues? >- Original Message - >From: "Karen Aufdemorte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:16 PM >Subject: Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture > > >> Hi, >> I've been following this discussion, and I just knew something like >Penny's story was going to come out. It just breaks my heart to think about >a tragic loss like that. I am blessed with my first Berner, and he happily >stays in his crate when I have to leave. >> >> "Too restrictive, >> too >> > cruel, too much training, too hard, no room, no way," the list went on >> and >> > on why a crate or room confinement wasn't the "instant, cure-all" >> suggestion >> > to Penny's on again, off again home renovation. >> >> Stories like this one are what I use in answer to questions from >well-meaning friends as to why I'm so cruel and "cage" my dog. I never >leave him confined for more than four hours. If I can't be home, beloved >husband or paid dog-sitter are on call to get him out. I'd rather be a >trifle inconvenienced and know I will come home to a healthy, safe dog. >> >> On a happier note, being a new Berner mom is the most wonderful thing!! I >know I'm preaching to the choir, but this 4 month old bundle of fur (and >sharp little teeth :-)) is the best, most loving dog I've ever had the >pleasure of belonging to!! >> >> Karen Aufdemorte and Caleb >> SanAntonio, TX >> > > --- End Message ---
RE: Liesl
Hi Bev, I'd just take things nice and slowly, as her comfort levels increase then add a little more experience for her. My old boy Caruso never cared for my attempts to make him like the world, he was his happiest going for van rides peering out at the world from the tinted windows, loved his walks in the forest and generally loved the quiet country life. He liked my friends, didn't like strangers and was convinced the mail man was stealing the box! Avoid hard eye contact, that is why she is turning her head away, she perceives it as an act of aggression towards her and she is diffusing the situation. In the animal world being stared at is a challenge, its only humans that demand eye contact. Rose T.
take me off the list until June 16th
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Gates
We have more BABY gates now than we did when the kids were little. We like the large wooden ones that slide to increase the size. We have two lower ones ( 22")that are easy to step over and one that is 32". What is really funny is our 5 year old and the 1 1/2 year old we have clear the tall one with ease. If we want to confine them to the laundry room , it requires two gates. Ray & Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,Bell, Shadow & Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/
Request for Input - BMDCA Info Sheet Re: Understanding Pedigrees
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RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?
Hi, Oh yes Berners can jump four feet:-) I have a five foot chain link and a friend's bitch popped over that with no problem. I have a bitch who was staying at a friend's and she liberated herself over a four foot fence gave the poor woman a nervous breakdown, sent me into orbit and just as I was about to hit Warp speed in my van the word came that dear Maggie was sauntering up my friend's driveway having had a nice explore of the neighbourhood. Shortly after that she went over the top of a six foot run but I think the landing bruised her and she now is a somewhat overweight older lady still good for four feet though! Rose T.
RE: Lancaster PA boycott
Hi Pat, Could you please tell us what effect this boycott is supposed to have. If its a question of taxes why not boycott the whole state? Rose
Re: BERNER-L digest 4447
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RE: safe and sane containment strategies - input?
Hi, Do not use the expandable wooden baby gates, these are now illegal in Canada as children can fall and choke on them, puppies can get their front legs caught on them and their heads stuck in the holes. Fisher-Price make a good gate and I've used these for years. Rose
Paw Licking
I do not think this is the case with your Berner, but just an FYI and something to watch for: We had a large German Shepherd that began licking and chewing on his feet. We thought diet at first. It turned out to be a neurological/spinal problem. The foot licking was the first symptom. Not trying to scare you, just want you to be aware. Good Luck! Linda and Teddy Franktown, Co _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
I stand corrected!
My husband just informed me that the hole in the rug was there before he left and was damp! Ah h! Someone went a-chewing while not under dad's watchful eye! That makes them even WORSE dogs. Maybe I should beat them more often. (Come on, people, you KNOW I'm kidding.)
after all that...
So after my lengthy email about putting the dogs in the kitchen, I went to the gym this morning and the boys were here with their dad. He decided to run an errand and I guess he figured they'd be OK for the short bit of time until I was back from the gym. So I walked in to be greeted by two very enthusiastic boys who were happy to show me the hole they chewed in the entryway rug! "Look Mom! Happy Birthday! Isn't it great! Man, what a tasty rug! Thanks!" Gret, guys. Happy Birthday to me. A hole in my new rug. Lovely. And all around the rug on the floor are toys and more toys and even a rag towel they are allowed to chew on. I am just shaking my head. Andie Reid and the waaay too optimistic Phillip and the two very bad dogs Tugboat and Steamboat Wilmington, NC
Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
What about the regional group that is planning to host the show? Why would they suggest this site? Are there so few sites in that area of the country that this is the only place to have a show? The BMDCA had a show in San Mateo several years ago that surprised me since at the time San Mateo was leading the country in restrictive/anti breeding regulations. Shows are held routinely at Purina Farms located in Missouri. None of this seems to matter to anyone or to any breed clubs or the dog fancy as our dollars continue to support areas that are opposed to the welfare and breeding of dogs. Susan Ablon Gweebarra BMD Balch Springs, Tx http://www.pageweb.com/gwebara
RE: Puppy eatting Baseboard
Hi Karen, Patience is the best solution. At six months her teeth may all be in but there are still some major growth changes going on in her jaw and skull. Also it might be prudent to have your vet examine her bite and see if everything is fitting nicely and not causing discomfort. Check the roof of her mouth and between the teeth to see nothing is stuck particularly if she is chewing sticks in the garden. If it's just the baseboard in the bedroom then close the door:-) Rose
New Release - BMDCA Info Series: BMDs & Rescue
There is a new Information Bulletin on the BMDCA website, be sure to take a look at it: www.bmdca.org And take a look at all the others while you are there! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Paw Licking
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RE: Paw Licking
Hi, German Shephards are known for having Spinal Muscular Atrophy. I knew of a top performance Golden Retreiver who licked her legs raw. It was a neurotic behaviour, she was so "overtrained" I doubt this bitch could toilet without being commanded. If a dog is licking the paws excessively the first thing to do is examine the feet closely and if there is a reddish brown colour or grease in between the toes then it is simply a fungal infection which is easily treated. Continual recurrence is general linked to food allergy but may also be contact allergy. It can also be advisable to check a dog's thyroid panel, Berners are generally on the low side of normal but quite often a diagnosis of hypothyroidism and subsequent supplementation can help with skin and coat issues. Another thing is to keep nails short because discomfort with long toenails turning can aggravate sensitive feet when walking on hard surfaces. Also be mindful of the surface your dog is exercising on, too much pounding the pavement can make the pads sore and the toe joints ache. Rose
Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture
It must depend greatly on the dog. We have 2 (a husky-x and a BMD) that we leave alone in the house and we have never had any destruction while we are gone. If the weather is nice, we leave the back slider open, so they can go in and out, but in bad weather they are in. We are not usually gone for more than a few hours at a time. Maybe it's cuz there are two of them, although they don't really "play" together. They are 7 and 9 years old, and they mostly sleep ;-) Liz Steinweg & The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte "Balou" (11/06/95) Bobby Sox (husky-x 10/31/93) Rio & Sahara (the "Rat Cats") and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.ccrtiming.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - I hate to say this, but I NEVER trust my dogs if I'm gone longer than half an hour, and we put them in the kitchen, with no dishtowels, dishes, rugs, or anything else they can destruct if they decide they're bored. Almost every time we've left the guys with "free roam" SOMETHING has gotten eaten.
Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Pat, Thanks for clarifying my email. I'm a bit geographic challenged when it comes to the Northeast. Thought the club will host the Specialty in New York State. Please everyone. Let Suzanne know what you think about this. Sorry Suzanne. > I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I were! Thanks for > getting your feedback in to the club so quickly, I'm sorry to do this to > Suzanne, but the club needs to know BEFORE any decisions become > finalized! (Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > And just to clarify, it's not that our money would be going to the > millers, but supporting the financial well being of a county that > defends their millers with zeal! There is a higher concentration of > puppy mills in Lancaster County than anywhere else in the country. If the county defends their millers, this is bad, very bad. I'm just shocked right now and cannot find the right words. Sylvia Katvala Tucson, AZ A friends mix breed petstore bought pup just survived parvo. Was sold at 6 weeks of age(:
RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Sylvia, I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I were! Thanks for getting your feedback in to the club so quickly, I'm sorry to do this to Suzanne, but the club needs to know BEFORE any decisions become finalized! (Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) And just to clarify, it's not that our money would be going to the millers, but supporting the financial well being of a county that defends their millers with zeal! There is a higher concentration of puppy mills in Lancaster County than anywhere else in the country. Pat -Original Message- From: Sylvia Katvala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat, You are kidding about holding the Specialty in Lancaster County or? Please tell me this is not so. I was saving money to go to the 2005 Specialty, but NOT if it's in Lancaster County. Will not give the millers any of my money. Will email the Suzanne Hostetter, the President of the BMDCA and tell her too. Sylvia Katvala Tucson, AZ
Poop eating
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Old Dog in Rescue
Hi, A number of people have asked me about the nine and half year old male Berner that was surrendered to a Rescue for Purebreds in Quebec. I was in contact several times with the kind lady who runs this organisation from her home. She had had details about him that she put on her site before he was actually surrendered to her, this information was provided by the previous owners and was fraught with inaccuracies. The Berner was not well on arrival and within twenty four hours it became apparent that he was seriously ill. He had difficulty rising to his feet and collapsed while trying to walk, he was taken to the rescue lady's veterinarian where he weighed in at 80lbs on a good size frame, he was pathetically thin and in great pain. In consultation with the vet the decision was made to euthanise him. In the short time that he was in care the rescue lady kept trying to contact the family who had surrendered him but they were apparently on vacation. She contacted me fearful that he was going to die and desperately unhappy about the whole situation. I thank those of you who offered homes and prayers for him, at the end of the day this was a tragic situation where this dog's family did not take the ultimate responsibility for him, his health and condition was very bad. Let us all think of this poor dog's plight, for my part this family have taught their children to throw out the old and the sick. They may live to regret that lesson in the years to come. Rose
10 questions
Sorry to be so obtuse but what are the questions that were printed on the T shirt and can we get anymore of those shirts? I saw the questions on the list long ago but due to old age and senility cannot remember them. I just know they were really funny! Does someone out there have the questions?? Sandy with Bleu & Bogart the Stud Muffin Gang fondly remembering Brisco & Bailey
USDA's APHIS - Latest Release of Info
Post from Esther Wilson / Lavina, Montana: Following is a newest release by APHIS. I hope anyone who criticizes the USDA will read this. Yes, more could be done, but its nice to learn they're actively working at something constructive about commercial breeders. APHIS: USDA's Animal & Plant Health Service APHIS emails me regular updates on their activity. If you're interested in learning more about this and/or sign up to receive these same updates, here's their website: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/biotech/ Press Release Jim Rogers (202) 690-4755 Darby G. Holladay (301) 734-3265 RECENT USDA ANIMAL WELFARE ACT CASE ACTIONS RIVERDALE, Md., June 5, 2003--The U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animaland Plant Health Inspection Service has charged the following people and businesses with violations of the Animal Welfare Act: Jan. 10, 2003--Licensed animal dealer Rick Rowden in Meta, Mo. APHIS intends to show violations in the areas of housing and recordkeeping. Jan. 14, 2003--Unlicensed animal dealer Mark Landers of Promises Kept in Hartville, Mo. APHIS intends to show Landers operated without the required USDA license. Feb. 12, 2003--Licensed animal dealers Wanda McQuary, Randall Jones and Gary Jackson in Black Rock, Ark. APHIS intends to show a number of violations including some in the areas of veterinary care, recordkeeping and housing. Feb. 12, 2003--Licensed animal exhibitors Chris and Donia McDonald of McDonald's Farm in Peabody, Kan. APHIS intends to show a number of violations including some in the areas of veterinary care and housing. Feb. 25, 2003--Licensed animal dealers Dennis and Karla Franzen in Aurora, Mo. APHIS intends to show violations in the areas of veterinary care, housing and sanitation. March 10, 2003--Unlicensed animal exhibitor Edward B. Lake of Buckrite Deer Farms in Vienna, Mo. APHIS intends to show that Lake operated as an exhibitor without the required USDA license. March 10, 2003--Unlicensed animal dealer Greg Blackburn of Pet Shop in Dickinson, Texas. APHIS intends to show that Blackburn operated as an animal dealer without the required USDA license. April 11, 2003--Licensed animal exhibitor John Cuneo of Hawthorn Inc. in Grayslake, Ill., along with Thomas Thompson of Richmond, Ill., James Zajicek of Mesa, Ariz., John N. Caudill III of Sarasota, Fla., John N. Caudill, Jr. of Sarasota, Fla., and Walker Brothers Circus of Sarasota,Fla. APHIS intends to show these respondents violated the AWA in several areas including handling and veterinary care. The following cases have been closed through either settlement or hearing: Jan. 14, 2003--Tom Harvey of Safari Zoological Park in Cagey, Kan. Harvey settled his case with USDA by agreeing to a $10,000 fine, of which $5,000 is suspended providing there are no future violations of the AWA. Jan. 15, 2003--DEA Exotics, Inc. in Potosi, Wis. DEA Exotics, Inc. has been found guilty of violating the AWA. As a result, it must pay an $11,000 fine and cease and desist from violating the AWA. This decision can be appealed. Jan. 16, 2003--Gerald and Angeline Wensman of Highdarling Cattery and Highland Hills Kennels in Melrose, Mo. The Wensmans settled their case with USDA by agreeing to a $1,000 fine, all of which is suspended providing there are no future violations of the AWA over the next year. Feb. 12, 2003--Brandon and Larry Tuckett of Tuckett's Family Farm in West Warren, Utah. The Tucketts settled their case with the USDA by agreeing to a $35,500 fine, all of which is suspended providing there are no future violations of the AWA. They are also permanently disqualified from obtaining a USDA AWA license. Feb. 26, 2003--Matt Bennett in Cedar Grove, Wis. Bennett settled his case with USDA by agreeing to a $5,000 fine, all of which is suspended providing there are no future violations of the AWA. Also, Bennett is disqualified for 5 years from obtaining a USDA AWA license. Feb. 26, 2003--Steven Richard Dornin of Tiger Tales Productions. The AWA case against Dornin was dismissed without prejudice. USDA can reopen the case at a later date. March 14, 2003--University of Massachusetts in Amherst, Mass. The University settled its case with USDA by admitting it violated the AWA on several occasions. It also agreed to a $6,215 fine and a probationary period of 1 year during which time a failure to comply with certain regulations would trigger an additional fine of $20,000. March 14, 2003--Bobby and Kelly Hranicky of Tigers-R-Us in Yorktown, Texas.The Hranickys settled their case with USDA by agreeing to a $5,000 fine,all of which is suspended. Also, the Hranicky's USDA AWA license was revoked, and they are permanently disqualified from receiving another. April 21, 2003--BAX Global Inc. of Irvine, Calif. BAX Global Inc. settled its case with USDA by agreeing to a $17,480 fine. The APHIS animal care program conducts inspections of licensees to ensure compliance with t
Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Pat, You are kidding about holding the Specialty in Lancaster County or? Please tell me this is not so. I was saving money to go to the 2005 Specialty, but NOT if it's in Lancaster County. Will not give the millers any of my money. Will email the Suzanne Hostetter, the President of the BMDCA and tell her too. Sylvia Katvala Tucson, AZ
Bad Berner - no eating the furniture
I hate to say this, but I NEVER trust my dogs if I'm gone longer than
half an hour, and we put them in the kitchen, with no dishtowels,
dishes, rugs, or anything else they can destruct if they decide they're
bored. Almost every time we've left the guys with "free roam" SOMETHING
has gotten eaten. I do this for their protection as much as for my
sanity. I don't want them getting into something harmful, or even eating
too much of something "not harmful". Once, when we left them in the
bedroom, they shredded a pillow and threw stuffing everywhere.
Hahaveryfunny until I realized that the pillow CASE was MIA. Steamboat
("Tiny") had completely slurped it down! Fortunately, he had managed to
shred it first, so as it, (ahem), emerged from hiding, it was in pieces
rather than in one whole long big wad wrapped around his intestines or
something equally as horrible.
It's just not worth the risk to me. They get left, they get bored, and
the way they seem to like to stimulate their minds is to "read"
magazines, and do some redecorating projects, like eat the rug. I don't
crate them anymore, but I definitely do confine them. Steamboat turned 2
in March and Tugboat turns 3 in August. Our first boy got confined in
the kitchen his whole life. I figure for his own safety. We have
chicken-sissy dogs, so we just prop up a gate - it's not even secured -
so if they HAD to, they could push it over and walk on out into the
house - like if it caught on fire of something. That makes me feel
better. But they're scared enough of it that if it's not an emergency,
they'll just leave it alone.
Dog = teeth = rampant and random destruction.
Andie Reid, owned by Tugboat the Bad and Steamboat the Weasel
Wilmington, NC
Re: BERNER-L digest 4446
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RE: BERNER-L digest 4447
Just a quick note to everyone in the Berner world responsible for the great presence (which communicated the RIGHT messages) in the new Dog Fancy. The advertising was very effective and hopefully will cause anyone who's now all abuzz about our beautiful Berners to think twice and do their homework before bringing one of these pups home. I know how hard everyone worked to position this great exposure properly with the best interest of the breed in mind. The full page ad is so well done and very much to-the-point -- and a special thank you to Mary Shaver from our "Dixie" region Chatahoochie Valley BMDC for her message to prospective owners... She was a certainly a great resource for me when I was first considering a Berner pup!! Jennifer Burgess Rex (1 yr old healthy, beautiful and well-trained BMD clown) and Mabel (sweetst Lab in the world) from Memphis -- they are the joys of our lives! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:10 PM To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: BERNER-L digest 4447 BERNER-L Digest 4447 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: venting or stupid questions by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cecilia_St=E5hl?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2) Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3) Re: Abady food by Jane Polcovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4) RE: Realities of puppies by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5) RE: Realities of puppies by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6) RE: Realities of puppies by "Martha Hoverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7) Re: Realities of puppies by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) test by "Stephanie A. Sotiros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9) Re: Realities of puppies by Andie Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10) Re: pet shops in UK supermarkets by "Pauline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11) RE: UK pet shop puppies at the supermarket? by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12) Re: Paw Licking by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) RE: eating poop by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14) Re: Babies and Berners/Dogs by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Paw Licking by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) RE: Help with agression by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17) RE: Bath time! by Rose Tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18) (no subject) by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) stupid questions by marthah 25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20) Re: stupid questions by "Dreamline Berners" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21) TTouch Seminar June 28 Alameda, CA by Karen Heitkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 22) Re: BERNER-L digest 4446 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) RE: stupid questions by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24) Re: Venting by "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25) RE: Random acts of Destruction by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 26) venting by Andie Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 27) Re: stupid questions by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28) Re: stupid questions by "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 29) RE: stupid questions by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 30) World Winner Dog Show - Dortmund by "=?iso-8859-2?B?Um9t4W4gVO1tZWE=?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 31) Realities of puppies & older Dogs! by "jean cheesman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 32) Re: venting or stupid questions by "DonaLeigh Engstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 33) Re: BERNER-L digest 4446 by Andie Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 34) Bad Berner - no eating the furniture by Andie Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 35) Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott by Sylvia Katvala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 36) Poop eating by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 37) RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 38) Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott by Sylvia Katvala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 39) Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture by "Liz Steinweg & Crew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 40) Re: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: venting or stupid questions
- Original Message - Beverly said: When I say Bernese I try to emphasize the 'bear' - in German e is pronounced a. Right??? Hey I'm from Ga. I had a Swiss woman try to teach me how to properly say Berner Sennehund. She gave up in disgust. Anyway, if I at least give it a german try most people get it. :-) (I'm not German, but I speadk it pretty well) Right - the German pronunciation would be "Bear-nur" as for Berner Sennenhund - try this - "Bear-nur Sen-nun-hoond" Sennenhund should sound a lot like "Sen-(send minus the D) - none - who+nd. I either just taught you all how to say it or confused everyone :) DonaLeigh Engstrom Plano, TX owned by Enzo (7 month Berner) and Schumi (4 month Swissy) -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
BERNER ITEMS ON E-BAY (Beneifts BARC)
BARC BENEFIT ON E-BAY Amy Kessler (who is out of town) has asked me to post the following links to Berner items that are being sold on e-bay as a fund raiser for BARC. These funds help BARC cover veterinary and fostering expenses. Lots of goodies of all types to buy. Check it out. Links below. Nancy Melone Mars, PA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612075525&category=29413 &rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612075895&category=29413 &rd=1 Amy R. Kessler LionHeart Bernese BARC, Inc. 118 Lakeland Drive Mars, PA 16046 www.barcinc.com (913)837-3129
Re: Help with agression
Thanks Rose, Thanks Eileen Last night, one more nice long walk, came home with everyone happy and relaxed and then, all of a sudden he was at her again. (I was getting dishes into the dishwasher and noticed I had one to my right and one to my left, and was thinking how peaceful they looked. : ( She just gets into a corner , cowers but bares her teeth. He actually goes at her but does not draw any blood, but it looks dangerous enough for my intervention since she cries. Eileen, I´ve handled no intervention in skirmishes where the fight looks even, but how do I deal with one much larger dog cornering a smaller, more fragile dog in a corner and her crying? I´m afraid I won´t see the blood until it´s too late! But this morning they met and were fine. Just hung out together, looking somewhat tense but no growling or squirmishes or anyhting. And they chose to be together in a large yard. I´m still confused. Rose wrote: > It does sound rather like he doesn't like her, is there any chance that you > can find her a quiet home where she would be the only dog. The other option right now is a home with many more dogs! And she has become very attached to me... She sounds like > she has no real dog social skills and your boy is not getting a good feed > back from her. She ignores/ is ignored by my other dogs.Would that mean no dog skills? If finding her another home is not an option then keep her > separate from him for a while, once he is neutered it will take three to > six months for his testosterone levels to fully subside and at his current > age they would be very high. They are when they are nagers:-(( OK, I´ll see how long I can keep them separate. I would > be inclined to leave her intact for a while and let her relax That makes sense. I´ve spoken to her vet and cancelled the appointment for now. . You must do more obedience work with your boy, he is sounding > wilful and not listening. You must be the leading bitch in your household > of dogs, it's imp erative:-) Ok, Thanks for pulling my ear! I´ll get into that obedience mode. > Good luck Thank you so much and I´ll let you know how it goes Simone
Re: Babies & Berners!!
Hi Karyn & any other pregnant Lers!! I have 3 BMD's and had my first "human" baby 15 months ago. I too was concerned, and did a few things that the article suggested. I especially thought that greeting the dogs w/out the baby upon arriving home from the hospital worked very well. I let my husband stay outside w/the baby (poor baby it was February in NJ! She was bundled up!), while I went in & got lots of bernerhugs! When they finally calmed down (about 5 minutes later), my husband came in quietly w/the baby, still in the carry attachment of the car seat. He put her (baby) on the coffee table, and all the dogs just carefully sniffed. Tails wagged, and wagged and wagged! It was very similiar to the way they would react to seeing a berner pup! They were very gentle, sniffing & wagging... Then they came right back to me for some more pets! They actually were not very interested in the baby at all at first. Shortly after that though, when the baby woke up & cried, I must say my male was very concerned. He would pace back & forth and then come & get me. He really got upset! It was as if he was trying to say "Hey Mom what's going on? Can you make that thing stop screaming please"! He would go up to the cradle & try to sniff her, or sit & put his paw up toward her. It was very cute! Ofcourse I had to watch carefully, since he could topple the cradle over by accident. That lasted for the first 2-3 months (she was colicky). I just tried to reassure him that everything was Ok, and that seemed to do it for him, eventually. More of the "adjustments" came into play once the baby was crawling/walking. As the article suggested, I never - even still - leave the baby unattended w/the dogs. It's just too risky. As much as I love them & feel they would NEVER do anything to harm her, you really never know. Something could happen accidentially too. I just don't ever want to be put in that situation. The best suggestion I have is to just pay close attention to your dog. You'll be able to tell if the dog is nervous, stressed etc... If so, I feel continuing to reassure (petting, hugs etc..) can only help. The dog will eventually get used to the new family member. As far as spending less time w/the dogs, NO WAY!! As a matter of fact, I thought it was more important to be with them than ever. When the baby would be napping in her crib & I had a chance to catch a few 's, I would let the dogs into my bedroom with me, and even into the bed(which is something they did do from time to time before the baby). This became our "special" time. They really loved it. It helped me relax & get some sleep as well. There's nothing like a few berner bed-buddies to snuggle you & keep you warm!! Now that the baby is toddling around, they are all the best of friends! We take daily walks together (ofcourse I can only manage one dog & the stroller at a time, so I switch off). And they think she's terrific, because she's always got some sort of "snack" in her hand (Hey Mom, this kids great!), and she gets a kick out of feeding them! It's really fun to see her interact with the dogs. She even tells them to "sit" and "stay"! Adorable!! Well I can go on & on... It's been really fun! Good luck to you w/the pregnancy! You couldn't have a better breed to bring your new baby up with!! Rose Tamberino (and big Bernerhugs from Carly, Emma & Oscar)!!
Realities of puppies & older Dogs!
Hi Rose, >She can be a good girl about going outside just > that sometimes she likes to roll in "it". My first ever Bernese Tinka I inherited at seven or eight years! She was always immaculate except, anywhere near goose and duck shit, she would roll and get it all yukked up around the left ear!! First time she went to new Vet for booster shot after we moved to Longlease! Hah, my girl had good brush, looked wonderful! We arrived early, gentle stroll down by the river, oh, no! My Tinks arrives back at the surgery having done big roll so, always the left ear for some reason!, totally yuk and we were followed by a swarm of flies! Had to get inside and close the door fast! Ros, our new vet, was highly amused, she had watched us out the window! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Liesl
Has anyone on the list had any luck with socializing an older dog? Liesl has been with us a week now. I don't know how much she was socialized as a puppy (she is 7 now). I do know that she has had 2 homes before she joined us and she is 20+# overweight. She is very submissive-but not like other dogs I have seen. When stressed she backs into a corner, sits, and looks away like she is trying to be invisible. The only time she gets animated is when we get ready for a ride or a walk, but she won't stay outside long unless she has no choice. I am trying to take her as many places as possible but I wonder if I am just stressing her out for nothing. Am I hurting or helping? If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate the help. She doesn't interact with Han or the cat at all. I do know in her last home both the other dog (female) and the cat dominated over her. She did voluntarily sniff a neighbor dog last night-that is the first interaction I have seen. Thanks Beverly Arnold, Han and Liesl Gainesville Fl
World Winner Dog Show - Dortmund
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RE: stupid questions
Silly, that was number 5! Hug that Halley for me! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Janice Parky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. > Berner fun FAQs > 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog > 2. From Bern, not Burma > 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 > 4. Not as much as you'd think > 5. More than you'd ever imagine! > > The fun was in making up the matching questions!
Re: stupid questions
You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. > Berner fun FAQs > 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog > 2. From Bern, not Burma > 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 > 4. Not as much as you'd think > 5. More than you'd ever imagine! > > The fun was in making up the matching questions!
Re: stupid questions
I don't think anyone intended to be mean-spirited with the "venting" thread. It CAN be annoying when people who KNOW they are right INSIST on sharing their knowledge, that's all...In my case, it was the person who saw me with my two Bernese and told me he was sure the younger one was a Swissy (having recently shed her baby coat, she's temporarily short-haired!). Anne with Maddie and Titan (who love to be admired good-will ambassadors) In a message dated 6/5/2003 1:17:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I get alot of questions too about my lil puppy, and about the dogs I had > here that were just visiting, and I never got angry or upset about the > questions people would ask. Just remember back before you owned for first > Berner, or before you really became interested in the breed. Remember you > first sighting and wondering what that beautiful dog was. And remember that > the "average" pet owner is the one asking these questions. And one other > thing, remember the quote, there is no such thing as a stupid question. Be > patient, and remember that was once you. > > Jenny Saville & Kozzie > St. Paul, MN > - Original Message - > From: "marthah 25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Berner l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:10 PM > Subject: stupid questions > > > > I think it is presumptuous of us to assume the questions people ask us > about > > our dogs are stupid. Everyone can not be expected to know about BMDs. They > > ask because the dogs are striking, and people are curious about them when > > they see them. There are many things many of us do not know about, let's > not > > assume that people who don't know about BMDs are any less > informed in > > general than we are. > > > > Martha and Bogey > > > >
Destructiveness
I have the Queen of Destruction at my house, as many can attest. Emma, age 9, has destroyed more things than I can list including my son's bedroom door, two gates, numerous crates and so on. Merely chewing the edges of stairs, window sills, and baseboard are some of her more mild activities. She opens cabinets and refrigerators to get at food, chews clothes if there is food in pockets, and basically will do whatever it takes to get to where she wants to be, especially when food is involved. As you might imagine, she is a danger to herself because of these habits and her propensity to eat socks. Imagine five pounds of sugar licked off the floor -- or a dozen eggs eaten on your bed -- or a bag of brown rice all over the house... Emma was like this from the beginning and it has only gotten worse with time. I have tried a variety of training to get her to stop but her drives are too great and I am unwilling to use the level of aversives that I believe might stop her destructive behavior. So we manage her environment as best as we can -- she has to be watched at all times when in the house since even going to the bathroom results in a lost loaf of bread. She spends much of her daytime hours outside on the patio but since she can open the back door, it has to be locked if we are not home to keep her from getting in and eating all the food out of the kitchen. If there will be fireworks, she is drugged and kept safely inside with someone watching her. She has gotten out of numerous crates, destroying her teeth in the process, so she is not safe in a crate. Emma is the sweetest dog but she is something else. When I got Abra almost six years ago I quickly became convinced that she was indeed the world's most perfect dog since she did not do any of the things that Emma did. I recently learned that Emma has relatives with this same kind of drive for food and I think this explains a lot of Emma's behavior. PPO's might be wise to question breeders about the level of destructiveness in the immediate family. A lot of puppy destructiveness is definitely the fault of the owner and normal puppy behavior, but I do believe that there are dogs who are hard wired in ways that make them very difficult -- like Emma. It doesn't mean they are terrible dogs -- Emma is a wonderful, smart, sweet girl -- but they certainly do present their own challenges (!). Mary-Ann Bowman Utah Snowbern's Emmaline Rose, CDX, DD -- Most Destructive Berner Record Holder Abra, VCD1, OA, DD, CDX, CGC -- Amazingly Perfect -- doesn't destroy anything!!! Maize, VCD1, OA, OAJ, DD, CGC -- The World's Sweetest Berner Halo deVil, TD -- Seven months old and the name and age says it all
Re: safe and sane containment strategies - input?
My experience below - not necesssarily everyone's - dogs are as differrent as people. The Ortega Family wrote: I was just wondering whether a "baby gate" will do it, and for how long, for kitchen confinement, or whether I have to create a higher barrier. Some baby gates are the wooden expanding kind, some are plastic and slide to adjust in width and are held in place by tension with large rubber stoppers on both sides. We have a screen that we made that we literally just lean against the doorway. All of our boys have always been afraid of it (we have no idea why, other than when it falls it makes a loud noise, I guess) and they don't ever try to push it over or get out. For ours, barriers of any kind have always elicited a stand-stay. They'll just stand there until you move it for them. Yes, that includes doors that are partially open. None of them have ever tried to nudge a door or anything. They'll just stand there and wait for you. The kitchen counters come to my belly button, so an adult but not a pup, could access them, so I'd soon have to minimize what 's on the countertops (appliances, dish drain...). We've been very lucky with the counter-surfing, or lack of. I just make sure there's nothing cloth where they can reach it and push other things to the back and they don't go out of their way to get it. If it's right on the edge, they'll nibble it, lick the butter, etc. but pushed back far enough, they don't jump up and get it, even though they could. Also, some of my yard fencing is 6 foot, but some shorter segments just 4 foot -- will an adult or growing berner clear that four foot height with a good jump, or should I just be more concerned about digging issues?\ We have a 4 foot fence around our backyard and they have never even contemplated jumping it. I think that overcoming gravity is just too much for them. I'm not sure a Berner couldn't jump it, but I've never seen them indicate any interest in doing so. They also are not diggers (thank goodness) so the fence has been adequate for mine. Again - dogs are different, but these have been my experiences. They're really laid-back and just don't seem interested in working to get out or get into things. I just confine them because it would just present them with too many easy opportunities to get into stuff. Andie Reid of Tugboat and Steamboat the Lazy Wilmington, NC
venting
Yep. That's why I said it in the first place. It's venting. I never actually SAY these things to people, and I'm always happy to answer questions about my boat boys, but sometimes hearing the same comments and questions DOES get tiresome. Nice to have a place to just snicker a little bit. Andie Reid, owned by Tugboat and Steamboat Wilmington, NC
Lancaster PA boycott
Pat, Thanks you for bringing this subject to my attention. Not only will we not attend, we will not provide any financial support for trophies or shopping. That this place should even get any acknowledgement as a possible site is unthinkable and I included that in my message as well. W = Wendi Giordano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Striving to be worthy of my beautiful Berners... In gratitude to and loving memory of Miss Kitty (Swiss Stars Cat Balou) Dec. 1, 1994 - Feb. 14, 2003 Splash (Swiss Stars Over Niagara) Cutter (Swiss Stars Black Diamond) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
RE: Random acts of Destruction
Kelli, My Hannibal used to do the exact same thing at Oscar's age. Until we got Vesta. He was so happy to have a buddy - I don't think he ever left her side when we were out. Miss Vesta, however, also had to go through the random acts of wanton destruction phase. Paul got home early one time to tell me that my bad boy Hannibal had wrecked our bedroom and made a twisted mess of my glasses, ate the plastic ends off the glasses, sucked all the Vaseline out of a tube, and just generally committed mayhem. I was grinning when Miss Vesta proceeded to prove (several hours later) that Hannibal had most definitely NOT been the culprit... I made Paul pick up the evidence his sweet innocent little girl so brazenly left in her wake at the Park. Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: Venting
After walking our two large males through a crowded tourist town, one day, and having it take twice as long as it should, my friend had tee-shirts made up that said, "Yes, he is a big dog." Janice Parky Cape Cod, MA
safe and sane containment strategies - input?
Hi. I imagine having a dog die of eating something in the house is kind of like having your toddler get run over after bolting into the road. I saw a bunny die if chocolate and steak once - I got there too late to intervene - which was so sad.. Anyway, In planning for a new pup soon and avoid the perils of ingesting bad stuff and having my good stuff wrecked, I have been planning a crate for early traning, and then likely transition to using the kitchen, as the confinement area for my absences, at least until we see whether other areas might be safe... I was just wondering whether a "baby gate" will do it, and for how long, for kitchen confinement, or whether I have to create a higher barrier. Some baby gates are the wooden expanding kind, some are plastic and slide to adjust in width and are held in place by tension with large rubber stoppers on both sides. My kitchen has three entrances - laundry room which could stay open (not much in there besides washer, dryer, hot water heater (???), chemicals are up high in a cabinet, and clothes don't go in there while they wait to be washed..., and the other two entrances are to a bedroom and dining room, so I would be putting up two or three baby gates, presumably. In my kitchen, I would be buying those child proof things that keep your cabinets closed, and there is nothing else ground level that could fit in one's mouth. I would have to relocate my trash can and perhaps the shorter table where my phone now sits. The bedroom currently has a makeshift poorly hung/ fitted hollow wood door with no lactch/ closure installed (you just push and it opens), so I would have to either use a baby gate there, or install several hook and eye type latches and see if that was enough... The kitchen counters come to my belly button, so an adult but not a pup, could access them, so I'd soon have to minimize what 's on the countertops (appliances, dish drain...). Any suggestions? Also, some of my yard fencing is 6 foot, but some shorter segments just 4 foot -- will an adult or growing berner clear that four foot height with a good jump, or should I just be more concerned about digging issues? - Original Message - From: "Karen Aufdemorte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Bad Berner - no eating the furniture > Hi, > I've been following this discussion, and I just knew something like Penny's story was going to come out. It just breaks my heart to think about a tragic loss like that. I am blessed with my first Berner, and he happily stays in his crate when I have to leave. > > "Too restrictive, > too > > cruel, too much training, too hard, no room, no way," the list went on > and > > on why a crate or room confinement wasn't the "instant, cure-all" > suggestion > > to Penny's on again, off again home renovation. > > Stories like this one are what I use in answer to questions from well-meaning friends as to why I'm so cruel and "cage" my dog. I never leave him confined for more than four hours. If I can't be home, beloved husband or paid dog-sitter are on call to get him out. I'd rather be a trifle inconvenienced and know I will come home to a healthy, safe dog. > > On a happier note, being a new Berner mom is the most wonderful thing!! I know I'm preaching to the choir, but this 4 month old bundle of fur (and sharp little teeth :-)) is the best, most loving dog I've ever had the pleasure of belonging to!! > > Karen Aufdemorte and Caleb > SanAntonio, TX >
RE: stupid questions
It may just be time for a new Berner-L t-shirt, some of you will remember the two different years we did that, first time with a puppy at the computer, and the second with an adult at the computer. But on the back was: Berner fun FAQs 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog 2. From Bern, not Burma 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 4. Not as much as you'd think 5. More than you'd ever imagine! The fun was in making up the matching questions! I always answer inquiries patiently, I do try to keep a sense of humor. But it sure does get frustrating sometimes, and this is the perfect place to blow off the steam and have fun with the sarcastic responses that you'd always love to use! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: BERNER-L digest 4446
As embarrassed as I am, I had to share this story and problem. Yesterday I came home from work to find my 1 year 2 month old boy berner had chewed up my book Im currently reading...So you want to be a dog trainer. Trust me Im aware of the irony and please continue reading when youre done laughing. Anyway, Oscar has been blocked off for the last two months to only part of the house (he had elbow surgery and I didnt want him laying on the hard wood floor) and in these two months he hasn't gotten into any trouble HOWEVER when hes left with free roam of the house he randomly gets himself into trouble. Hell go for weeks and sometimes a few months and not do anything and then one day Ill come home to something chewed! I cant think of any specific reason he rips things up or chews things so randomly! Does it sound like something that hell grow out of once his brains come? Or am I just going to have to block him off forever? Has anyone else had this issue? He clearly likes to have free roam more then being blocked off too (less crying when he has free roam). I just don't get it! Thanks Kelli & Oscar (apparently I don't want mom to be a dog trainer) Livonia, MI
BYB
I read this in the AKC Gazette from the Shih Tzu column, written by Jo Ann White, and was wondering how others would define BYB (backyard breeders) "They never go beyond their own backyard - not for a stud dog, not for learning. Their own male usually sires all their litters, or perhaps the male belonging to a friend who lives nearby, a dog whose primary merits are easy access and a cheap stud fee. They do not bother with the 'snobs' in the dog show world, because they already know their dogs are 'perfect', and they are too busy for that foolishness. They don't do testing, because they 'know' their dogs are healthy. They don't bother joining kennel club because all they need to know they learned from the little book the pet store sold them. Nor will you see them attending seminars to increase their knowledge of health, training, and reproduction. And they always say how much they 'love' having puppies and seeing them go on to make other families so very happy!"
Hold the list
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How much exercise?
Our 6 month old Berner, Bombur (named after the lazy dwarf of the Hobbit fame), is pretty wild in the morning till we take him for a walk. We want to make sure that we give him enough exercise. How much is "enough"?Or how much is too much? The two mile walks we take him on daily (2 one milers to and from school) don't seem to bother him. Thanks! Patrick __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Would you trust your five year old...
Berners have been a part of my family for twenty years and when I leave the house without them, and I take them just about everywhere with me, weather permitting, they are "confined" in a special, large area of the house which has been dog-proofed to perfection; their favorite toys and treats are there and I leave the television or radio playing a low-key type program. I am never gone more than a short while. In twenty years, ten months or ten years, my Berners have never "trashed" the house in my absence because they are never given the opportunity to do so. I once read that you should never trust a dog in any situation in which you would not trust a five year old child and I "operate" on that premise regarding a good many situations. Another person on my block "allows" his dog to chew through the window screens when the family is in/out. One day, their cat fell through the hole the little doggy made. Lisa Allen _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
TTouch Seminar June 28 Alameda, CA
There is still space available for the one-day TTouch seminar sponsored by Sierra West BMDC on June 28 in Alameda, California. Go to http://www.sierrawest.org or contact Karen Heitkamp at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are interested in registration or information. Non-Berners and their owners are also welcome. Pass this message on to a friend who might be interested. Hope to see you there! Karen Heitkamp Mountain View, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pat Long Photos for Fundraising
I will be doing them on a very limited basis in Texas, as soon as I know what day I will be doing them, I will let you know. I will NOT be available for any photos for any reason for any event held in Lancaster County. These photos have raised over $12,000 for the breed over the years, thanks to all of you who have been willing to let me have fun doing the photos of your dogs! And a huge thanks to Joye Neff for her efforts in making the dogs look so perfect! Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: stupid questions
I get alot of questions too about my lil puppy, and about the dogs I had here that were just visiting, and I never got angry or upset about the questions people would ask. Just remember back before you owned for first Berner, or before you really became interested in the breed. Remember you first sighting and wondering what that beautiful dog was. And remember that the "average" pet owner is the one asking these questions. And one other thing, remember the quote, there is no such thing as a stupid question. Be patient, and remember that was once you. Jenny Saville & Kozzie St. Paul, MN - Original Message - From: "marthah 25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Berner l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: stupid questions > I think it is presumptuous of us to assume the questions people ask us about > our dogs are stupid. Everyone can not be expected to know about BMDs. They > ask because the dogs are striking, and people are curious about them when > they see them. There are many things many of us do not know about, let's not > assume that people who don't know about BMDs are any less informed in > general than we are. > > Martha and Bogey > >
stupid questions
I think it is presumptuous of us to assume the questions people ask us about our dogs are stupid. Everyone can not be expected to know about BMDs. They ask because the dogs are striking, and people are curious about them when they see them. There are many things many of us do not know about, let's not assume that people who don't know about BMDs are any less informed in general than we are. Martha and Bogey
Lancaster County
Dear Ms. Hostetter, This letter is to inform you that, as a dog lover, I meticulously observe the boycott of Lancaster County PA and all businesses located in it or associated with it. If the BMDCA were to sponsor an event in Lancaster County not only would I boycott it I would also help to mount a campaign to convince everyone else in the fancy to boycott it. For the BMDCA to associate itself in any way, however remotely, with the atrocity that is the puppymill industry in that county would be the greatest disgrace imaginable. Sincerely, Capt. Timothy Forman, Nimes FranceMSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
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Rainbow Bridge Poem
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