Re: Looping to find ONLY specific XML Children

2003-07-22 Thread Oliver Tupman
Hey Shawn,

It's just 9am here so my apologies for a short answer (or rather, the 
short hint) - try looking into XPath. Either do a search on Google or 
take a look at the XPath spec http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath

A demo of the XML you're using would've been useful, but from what 
you've said I'm assuming it's something like this:









fred
http://www.somewhere.com


  

 From what I can see, get the XML into a variable then construct your 
XPath var, perhaps something like



Then this:



That should throw all of the elements that match your XPath expression 
into headerlinks, which will be an array.

Best to read through some articles on XPath 'cos I'm sure that the above 
expression won't do exactly what you're after. The W3C spec is, as 
usual, hefty and complicated (especially at 9am!) hence the reason why I 
think my expression won't work properly but it should give you a pointer 
on where to start looking.

Hope that helps somewhat,

  Oliver Tupman
  Key Systems Geotechnical.

Shawn Contreras wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am having a problem that I desperately need help with.  I am working with
> consuming XML WebServices using CFMX, here is my problem.
> 
> I have an XML child called EVENT that also has many children. However, each
> EVENT record occurence does not ALWAYS have the same children. Sometimes it
> has children called HEADERLINKS and sometimes it is does not. Of course, if
> it does have the child called HEADERLINKS, then it too has several children.
> I want to loop through and IF the HEADERLINKS child exists THEN output every
> occurence of the HEADERLINKS and its children.
> 
> I get the most recent record (which is what I want) but it stops because it
> knows that the second record doesn't contain the HEADERLINKS child.  I need
> it to continue on and look at all the other records and OUTPUT those other
> records that do have the HEADERLINKS child and it's respective children.
> 
> My code is below:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Number of
> EVENTS:
>  #EVENTAll#
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>  href="#EVENTList[i].HeaderLinks.HeaderLink.Webcasts.Webcast.Streams.Stream.U
> RL.xmlText#">
>src="#EVENTList[i].HeaderLinks.HeaderLink.ImageURL.xmlText#"
> border="0">
> #EVENTList[i].HeaderLinks.HeaderLink.Title.xmlText#
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
>   
>   
>  
>  
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help!
> 
> Shawn Contreras
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Looping to find ONLY specific XML Children

2003-07-22 Thread Tim Blair
> I am having a problem that I desperately need help with.  I 
> am working with consuming XML WebServices using CFMX, here is 
> my problem.

Shawn,

Try using XMLSearch() -- it uses XPath to grab the bits you want (kinda
like SQL for XML).



That _should_ (I'm not an XPath guru by any means!) return an array of
all the HeaderLink nodes -- you can loop through these and output as you
desire!

HTH, if not it's something to start with!

Tim.


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!

-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 July 2003 18:19
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFForm madness. 0_0


Okies..
I am totally stumped by this.

This is my code:

 


  

Simple. I mean...just a CFFORM.

But...it does not work. At all. It consistently throws a Javascript
error saying object expected.

This is the code when I View Source.











   
 


  

What the hell am I doing wrong?
This is on CFMX with updater 3 installed.
It...it just really doesn't make sense.

This is all part of a much larger form of course..but I decided to just
cut everything out..the tables..the stylesheets...all the other fields..
And just try a basic cfform statement and see if it worked...and it
didn't.

What could be wrong??

-Gel





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RE: Looping to find ONLY specific XML Children

2003-07-22 Thread Tim Blair
> 

I just did a quick test, and that seems to do the job!  Just do a cfdump
to see the array (each array element is is an actual XML element
containing the info from the parsed XML doc so if you want you can do
further xmlsearch() "queries" on each array element.

Tim.


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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Allan Clarke
Does anyone know how to programatically test if the
SiteMinder Authentication/Authorization service is
running. I'm currently using the cfauthenticate tag to
do this but even after stopping the services
ColdFusion thinks SiteMinder is still running, I guess
because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder policy.

I want my ColdFusion script to be able to correctly
display the SiteMinder service status. Is there a way
other than using the cfauthenticate tag to test if the
SiteMinder service is running. BTW I'm using CF5

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Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Allan Clarke wrote:
> Does anyone know how to programatically test if the
> SiteMinder Authentication/Authorization service is
> running. I'm currently using the cfauthenticate tag to
> do this but even after stopping the services
> ColdFusion thinks SiteMinder is still running, I guess
> because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder policy.
> 
> I want my ColdFusion script to be able to correctly
> display the SiteMinder service status. Is there a way
> other than using the cfauthenticate tag to test if the
> SiteMinder service is running. BTW I'm using CF5

Use cfexecute + list.exe from the Windows NT Resource Kit to list 
all running processes.

Jochem


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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
Can you please provide more details?

>Allan Clarke wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to programatically test if the
>> SiteMinder Authentication/Authorization service is
>> running. I'm currently using the cfauthenticate tag to
>> do this but even after stopping the services
>> ColdFusion thinks SiteMinder is still running, I guess
>> because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder policy.
>> 
>> I want my ColdFusion script to be able to correctly
>> display the SiteMinder service status. Is there a way
>> other than using the cfauthenticate tag to test if the
>> SiteMinder service is running. BTW I'm using CF5
>
>Use cfexecute + list.exe from the Windows NT Resource Kit to list 
>all running processes.
>
>Jochem
>
>
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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
Can you please show me how to do implemet this?
Regards
Allan

>Allan Clarke wrote:
>> Does anyone know how to programatically test if the
>> SiteMinder Authentication/Authorization service is
>> running. I'm currently using the cfauthenticate tag to
>> do this but even after stopping the services
>> ColdFusion thinks SiteMinder is still running, I guess
>> because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder policy.
>> 
>> I want my ColdFusion script to be able to correctly
>> display the SiteMinder service status. Is there a way
>> other than using the cfauthenticate tag to test if the
>> SiteMinder service is running. BTW I'm using CF5
>
>Use cfexecute + list.exe from the Windows NT Resource Kit to list 
>all running processes.
>
>Jochem
>
>
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Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
ColdFusion Programmer wrote:

> Can you please provide more details?






Jochem



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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
Thanks Jochem for the code, however I can't find the file "list.exe" or the folder 
"resource kit". I've got W2K Server installed on my pc. Any ideas?

>ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>
>> Can you please provide more details?
>
>
>timeout="2">
>
>
>
>Jochem
>
>
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Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
ColdFusion Programmer wrote:

> Thanks Jochem for the code, however I can't find the file "list.exe" or the folder 
> "resource kit". I've got W2K Server installed on my pc. Any ideas?

Sorry, should be tlist.exe. It is in the Resource Kit.

Jochem



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cfx_authSmtp Custom error message

2003-07-22 Thread John McCosker
Greetings,

if anyone out there has used the java cfx tag AuthSMTP this is my problem,

the tag works fine on our development server, this is the tag,



but when testing on our production server I get this custom error from the
tag,
"Mail send Failure! Invalid address nullMail sent successfully".

The tag and class file is properly registered.

I am using the same HOST address that is registered in the mail settings cf
admin when using CFMAIL, which works fine.

we are using cfmx, and updater 3.

Respectfully,

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Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
> 
>>Thanks Jochem for the code, however I can't find the file "list.exe" or the folder 
>>"resource kit". I've got W2K Server installed on my pc. Any ideas?
> 
> Sorry, should be tlist.exe. It is in the Resource Kit.

Actually, with Win2K it is on the CD under /support/tools. You 
should check out the other goodies there as well.

Jochem



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RE: Invoice, letter and report printing

2003-07-22 Thread Sandy Clark
I saw one at DevCon last year that looked promising:

http://www.reportmill.com/

-Original Message-
From: Ciliotta, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Invoice, letter and report printing


Andy,

If you find out any info on this tools can you let the list know.  I also
just today have been asked to implement a system in CFMX that will require
printing of reports and graphs in PDF format (must have correct page breaks
for upper management to look at) and I was looking at these as well as
Crystal Reports.  We have never had to much luck with Crystal and I was
wondering if I could make use of these java tools.  I am new to java, almost
no real world experience so I was somewhat confused by reading the docs on
these tools.

If anyone here knows of any tools or has made use of these with CFMX can you
let me know what was involved.  Also is anyone using Crystal with CFMX, if
so what version of Crystal.

If anyone from Macromedia is reading this, can there some kind of plan in
future release of CF to include a report writer - maybe one of these open
source tools. Since they are java-based, it might be easy to include - just
a thought.

Thanks

Mario

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Tyrone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Invoice, letter and report printing


Hi everyone,

I've got a project that requires mass-printing of letters, invoices, reports
and more.  What does everyone use to handle this?  I found a few open-source
programs that look promising, but I am not to the stage yet where I can
start working on this functionality.  Here are the links to the programs:

JFreeReport
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jfreereport/

Report Manager
http://sourceforge.net/projects/reportman/


Any other suggestions are welcome.


Thanks,
Andy




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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
I installed the support tools from the win2k CD. Passed the correct path to the 
cfexecute tag.

 
 
 
#processList#
 
#isRunning#

processList outputs nothing.
isRunning always returns "0" even when the SiteMinder service is started. Any ideas 
why this is happenning?


>Jochem van Dieten wrote:
>> ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>> 
>>>Thanks Jochem for the code, however I can't find the file "list.exe" 
>or the folder "resource kit". I've got W2K Server installed on my pc. 
>Any ideas?
>> 
>> Sorry, should be tlist.exe. It is in the Resource Kit.
>
>Actually, with Win2K it is on the CD under /support/tools. You 
>should check out the other goodies there as well.
>
>Jochem
>
>
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Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
ColdFusion Programmer wrote:

> I installed the support tools from the win2k CD. Passed the correct path to the 
> cfexecute tag.
> 
>  
>  timeout="2"> 
>  
> #processList#
>  
> #isRunning#
> 
> processList outputs nothing.

Do you get the right output if you run tlist from the command 
line? Because it does work for me: http://145.94.154.26/tlist.cfm 
(with the cfsavecontent stripped)

Jochem



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Sharing Cookies between .aspx and CF5?

2003-07-22 Thread Mike Kear
I just read in Ben's CFWACK that it's easy for CF apps to read cookies set
by other apps and specifically it says .asp set cookies.  Furthermore, it
gives hints and tips to reading cookies set by other apps if the path isn't
the same.

This puzzles me ... I thought cookies set by .aspx weren't readable by CF.

Can anyone clarify this for me please?

Specifically, I have a need to be able to tell if a .aspx page has set a
session cookie or not.  I've been working around reading page headers etc,
when if I can just detect the presence of a cookie set by .aspx and know
what the value is, that'll do the trick in a jiffy.

(Just for the record, our environment is CF5.0 and .net.asp  on WinNT4)



Cheers,
Michael Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks.





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RE: Sharing Cookies between .aspx and CF5?

2003-07-22 Thread Dave Watts
> I just read in Ben's CFWACK that it's easy for CF apps 
> to read cookies set by other apps and specifically it 
> says .asp set cookies. Furthermore, it gives hints and 
> tips to reading cookies set by other apps if the path 
> isn't the same.
> 
> This puzzles me ... I thought cookies set by .aspx weren't 
> readable by CF.
> 
> Can anyone clarify this for me please?
> 
> Specifically, I have a need to be able to tell if a .aspx 
> page has set a session cookie or not. I've been working 
> around reading page headers etc, when if I can just detect 
> the presence of a cookie set by .aspx and know what the 
> value is, that'll do the trick in a jiffy.
> 
> (Just for the record, our environment is CF5.0 and .net.asp  
> on WinNT4)

Any cookies set by your server, no matter what application is used to write
the cookies, are readable by any other application on the same server as
long as the browser returns those cookies to the server. However, it may be
the case that the ASP.NET cookies don't contain plaintext values, in which
case you'd have to figure out how to interpret the values from CF.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
yes I do get the right output when I run it from the command line. I don't know why I 
don't see any output when I run the code.

>ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>
>> I installed the support tools from the win2k CD. Passed the correct 
>path to the cfexecute tag.
>> 
>>  
>> > timeout="2"> 
>>  
>> #processList#
>>  
>> #isRunning#
>> 
>> processList outputs nothing.
>
>Do you get the right output if you run tlist from the command 
>line? Because it does work for me: http://145.94.154.26/tlist.cfm 
>(with the cfsavecontent stripped)
>
>Jochem
>
>
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RE: Strange Administrator Error

2003-07-22 Thread Heald, Tim
Hey I had asked this yesterday, but it was right around COB, has anyone seen
anything like the error below?  And if so, is there any other way around
this besides reinstalling??

Thanks,

Timothy Heald
Information Systems Specialist
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2235


-Original Message-
From: Heald, Tim 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Strange Administrator Error


Any of you ever see this before?  How would I go about fixing it?

BTW this is an error when I try to get to the administrator, and just
started after installing SQL Server 200.

THX

Error Occurred While Processing Request  
Method selection Exception.  
An exception occurred during method selection process for Method
getAdminHash The cause of this exception was that either there are no
methods with the the specified method name and argument types, or the method
getAdminHash is overloaded with arguments types that Coldfusion can't
decipher reliablly. Use javacast function to reduce ambiguity.  
 

Timothy Heald
Information Systems Specialist
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2235


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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
Can you paste the code that works for you (tList.cfm)?

>ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>
>> I installed the support tools from the win2k CD. Passed the correct 
>path to the cfexecute tag.
>> 
>>  
>> > timeout="2"> 
>>  
>> #processList#
>>  
>> #isRunning#
>> 
>> processList outputs nothing.
>
>Do you get the right output if you run tlist from the command 
>line? Because it does work for me: http://145.94.154.26/tlist.cfm 
>(with the cfsavecontent stripped)
>
>Jochem
>
>
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RE: Strange Administrator Error

2003-07-22 Thread Heald, Tim
NM, I reinstalled updater three and it fixed it.

Timothy Heald
Information Systems Specialist
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2235


-Original Message-
From: Heald, Tim 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Strange Administrator Error


Hey I had asked this yesterday, but it was right around COB, has anyone seen
anything like the error below?  And if so, is there any other way around
this besides reinstalling??

Thanks,

Timothy Heald
Information Systems Specialist
Overseas Security Advisory Council
U.S. Department of State
571.345.2235


-Original Message-
From: Heald, Tim 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Strange Administrator Error


Any of you ever see this before?  How would I go about fixing it?

BTW this is an error when I try to get to the administrator, and just
started after installing SQL Server 200.

THX

Error Occurred While Processing Request  
Method selection Exception.  
An exception occurred during method selection process for Method
getAdminHash The cause of this exception was that either there are no
methods with the the specified method name and argument types, or the method
getAdminHash is overloaded with arguments types that Coldfusion can't
decipher reliablly. Use javacast function to reduce ambiguity.  
 

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Re: Problem with CFFILE

2003-07-22 Thread Christopher J. Sills
Dave

What do you recommend that I do.  I am running the coldfusion application on
one server and am trying to move a folder on another server using 'CFFile'.
The only way I have been able to get it to work is by running the ColdFusion
service logged on as a User I created that is a Member of the 'Domain
Admins' group.  I had a feeling that this was unsafe, but I do not know how
to correct it.

What do you recommend

Thanks for your help.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: Problem with CFFILE


> > Running as administrator is horribly insecure. If anyone
> > manages to run illicit code on your CF server, it will
> > have complete access to everything, rather than being
> > sandboxed to only what a low-level user account has access
> > to. Using the System account is better, but a separate
> > account for only CF is best.
>
> Running as the SYSTEM account is also horribly insecure. In some respects,
> it's more of a problem than running as any other specific user account,
> including the Administrator account. Any code run by SYSTEM is considered
to
> be part of the "Trusted Computing Base", and can impersonate other users.
> This is how the CFIMPERSONATE tag used in CF 4 and 5 worked.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
> 
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RE: ergonomics

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Tony

Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help!

I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk
space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work
desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work.

Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> 
>> I've experienced the same thing, Ben.  I've got big ol' meathooks,
but
>> the
>> don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time
>> typing
>> prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for all
those
>> weird programming keys, I'm fine.  I think it's directly tied to when
I
>> have
>> my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still.
When
>> I'm
>> floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems.
>> 
>> Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are
slightly
>> higher than the desk surface.  Someone told me that at some point,
and
>> it's
>> good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating.  Especially
with
>> my
>> horrible horrible slouching.  ;)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> barneyb
>> 
>> ---
>> Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer
>> AudienceCentral
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> voice : 360.756.8080 x12
>> fax   : 360.647.5351
>> 
>> www.audiencecentral.com
>> 
>> 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> >
>> >
>> > Is he making fun of my glasses?
>> >
>> > Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway.
>> >
>> > I type wrong.  I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it
is.
>> My
>> > hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home
>> > row I can't
>> > reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above
the
>> > keyboard like I'm casting a spell.
>> >
>> > I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing
>> > was exactly
>> > right.  Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by
>> > the hands and
>> > wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles.  According to
her,
>> the
>> > key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they
aren't
>> ever
>> > stuck in the same position for hours on end.
>> >
>> > I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know.  :-\
>> >
>> >
>> > --  Ben Doom
>> > Programmer & General Lackey
>> > Moonbow Software, Inc
>> >
>> > : -Original Message-
>> > : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM
>> > : To: CF-Talk
>> > : Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses
>> > : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this
>> > : and this is what happens
>> > :
>> > : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk
>> > :
>> > : tony weeg
>> > : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
>> > : tony at navtrak dot net
>> > : www.navtrak.net
>> > : office 410.548.2337
>> > : fax 410.860.2337
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : -Original Message-
>> > : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM
>> > : To: CF-Talk
>> > : Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist
is
>> > : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer
>> helped
>> > : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are
>> > : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning
time
>> to
>> > : get the hang of it if you're not used to it.
>> > :
>> > : Erik Yowell
>> > : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : http://www.shortfusemedia.com
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : > -Original Message-
>> > : > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM
>> > : > To: CF-Talk
>> > : > Subject: ot: ergonomics
>> > : >
>> > : > hey all.
>> > : >
>> > : > listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse.
>> > : >
>> > : > my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to
hurt
>> > : > these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx,
>> bextra,
>> > : > ibuprofen, etc...)
>> > : > and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas
does
>> > : anyone
>> > : > have
>> > : > or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this
is
>> > : > starting to hurt and this sucks
>> > : >
>> > : > thanks
>> > : >
>> > : > tony
>> > : >
>> > : > tony weeg
>> > : > uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
>> > : > tony at navtrak dot net
>> > : > www.navtrak.net
>> > : > office 410.548.2337
>> > : > fax 410.860.2337
>> > : >
>> > : >
>> > :
>> > :
>> >
>>

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RE: ergonomics

2003-07-22 Thread Tony Weeg
ibuprofen doesn't do anything, even the horse pill size ones the 800mg
ones!!!

im trying vioxx tho', and ill let u know!

what I am going to purchase is this... a wireless mouse, that will work
ambidextrously...and a microsoft
natural keyboard, those two fixes, seem to go across the board, as the
most promising things to
try!

stan winchester, has one heck of a contraption setup @ his office, if he
sends you his url...you can
see it...it looks like it is 100% ready and waiting for some tired
aching hands...wow!

anyhow, this seems like a problem across the board, a lot of developers
on here, well, I say a lot, but not too many, are having some of the
same issues...dave watts, ben, sean...what about you guys...been coding
a while? what are your remedies?

tony weeg
uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
tony at navtrak dot net
www.navtrak.net
office 410.548.2337
fax 410.860.2337


-Original Message-
From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ergonomics


Tony

Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help!

I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk
space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work
desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work.

Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> 
>> I've experienced the same thing, Ben.  I've got big ol' meathooks,
but
>> the
>> don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time 
>> typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for 
>> all
those
>> weird programming keys, I'm fine.  I think it's directly tied to when
I
>> have
>> my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still.
When
>> I'm
>> floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems.
>> 
>> Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are
slightly
>> higher than the desk surface.  Someone told me that at some point,
and
>> it's
>> good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating.  Especially
with
>> my
>> horrible horrible slouching.  ;)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> barneyb
>> 
>> ---
>> Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer
>> AudienceCentral
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> voice : 360.756.8080 x12
>> fax   : 360.647.5351
>> 
>> www.audiencecentral.com
>> 
>> 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> >
>> >
>> > Is he making fun of my glasses?
>> >
>> > Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway.
>> >
>> > I type wrong.  I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it
is.
>> My
>> > hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row

>> > I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving

>> > above
the
>> > keyboard like I'm casting a spell.
>> >
>> > I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was

>> > exactly right.  Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused

>> > by the hands and
>> > wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles.  According to
her,
>> the
>> > key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they
aren't
>> ever
>> > stuck in the same position for hours on end.
>> >
>> > I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know.  :-\
>> >
>> >
>> > --  Ben Doom
>> > Programmer & General Lackey
>> > Moonbow Software, Inc
>> >
>> > : -Original Message-
>> > : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM
>> > : To: CF-Talk
>> > : Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses
>> > : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this
>> > : and this is what happens
>> > :
>> > : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk
>> > :
>> > : tony weeg
>> > : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
>> > : tony at navtrak dot net
>> > : www.navtrak.net
>> > : office 410.548.2337
>> > : fax 410.860.2337
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : -Original Message-
>> > : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM
>> > : To: CF-Talk
>> > : Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist
is
>> > : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer
>> helped
>> > : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are
>> > : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning
time
>> to
>> > : get the hang of it if you're not used to it.
>> > :
>> > : Erik Yowell
>> > : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : http://www.shortfusemedia.com
>> > :
>> > :
>> > : > -Original Message-
>> > : > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > : > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM
>>

Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
Hello all

Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its not working :)

So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can change how the mail
is sent later down the line and not have to change lots of cfmail tags...

Im calling it as follows:








But get the following error:

Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.

Error information unsupported statement: class
coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition

And it highlights the line


The cfc itself starts like this:













And so on...

Anyone know the problem??

Ryan


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RE: ergonomics

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Also...

A couple of the guys here have wrist related problems and use Dragon
speech software. They have it trained up quite well but my understanding
is it takes a while to reach this level. Its also context sensitive so
while its good a guessing what you said in a typical English sentence, I
struggled to train it to write > -Original Message-
>> From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:18
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> 
>> ibuprofen doesn't do anything, even the horse pill size ones the
800mg
>> ones!!!
>> 
>> im trying vioxx tho', and ill let u know!
>> 
>> what I am going to purchase is this... a wireless mouse, that will
work
>> ambidextrously...and a microsoft
>> natural keyboard, those two fixes, seem to go across the board, as
the
>> most promising things to
>> try!
>> 
>> stan winchester, has one heck of a contraption setup @ his office, if
he
>> sends you his url...you can
>> see it...it looks like it is 100% ready and waiting for some tired
>> aching hands...wow!
>> 
>> anyhow, this seems like a problem across the board, a lot of
developers
>> on here, well, I say a lot, but not too many, are having some of the
>> same issues...dave watts, ben, sean...what about you guys...been
coding
>> a while? what are your remedies?
>> 
>> tony weeg
>> uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
>> tony at navtrak dot net
>> www.navtrak.net
>> office 410.548.2337
>> fax 410.860.2337
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:12 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> 
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help!
>> 
>> I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the
desk
>> space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work
>> desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work.
>> 
>> Kola
>> 
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14
>> >> To: CF-Talk
>> >> Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> >>
>> >> I've experienced the same thing, Ben.  I've got big ol' meathooks,
>> but
>> >> the
>> >> don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of
time
>> >> typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking
for
>> >> all
>> those
>> >> weird programming keys, I'm fine.  I think it's directly tied to
when
>> I
>> >> have
>> >> my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still.
>> When
>> >> I'm
>> >> floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems.
>> >>
>> >> Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are
>> slightly
>> >> higher than the desk surface.  Someone told me that at some point,
>> and
>> >> it's
>> >> good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating.  Especially
>> with
>> >> my
>> >> horrible horrible slouching.  ;)
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >> barneyb
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer
>> >> AudienceCentral
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> voice : 360.756.8080 x12
>> >> fax   : 360.647.5351
>> >>
>> >> www.audiencecentral.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM
>> >> > To: CF-Talk
>> >> > Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Is he making fun of my glasses?
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway.
>> >> >
>> >> > I type wrong.  I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there
it
>> is.
>> >> My
>> >> > hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home
row
>> 
>> >> > I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around,
waving
>> 
>> >> > above
>> the
>> >> > keyboard like I'm casting a spell.
>> >> >
>> >> > I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing
was
>> 
>> >> > exactly right.  Many of the problems associated with RSS are
caused
>> 
>> >> > by the hands and
>> >> > wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles.  According to
>> her,
>> >> the
>> >> > key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they
>> aren't
>> >> ever
>> >> > stuck in the same position for hours on end.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know.
:-\
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --  Ben Doom
>> >> > Programmer & General Lackey
>> >> > Moonbow Software, Inc
>> >> >
>> >> > : -Original Message-
>> >> > : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM
>> >> > : To: CF-Talk
>> >> > : Subject: RE: ergonomics
>> >> > :
>> >> > :
>> >> > : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get
glasses
>> >> > : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of
this
>> >> > : and this is what happens
>> >> > :
>> >> > : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk
>> >> > :
>> >> > : tony weeg
>> >> > : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
>> >> > : 

Re: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
ColdFusion Programmer wrote:

> Can you paste the code that works for you (tList.cfm)?




Jochem



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RE: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though - what
is the path to sendmail?


===
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(www.mindseye.com)
Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
> Hello all
> 
> Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its not 
> working :)
> 
> So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can change 
> how the mail is sent later down the line and not have to 
> change lots of cfmail tags...
> 
> Im calling it as follows:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> But get the following error:
> 
> Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
> 
> Error information unsupported statement: class 
> coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
> 
> And it highlights the line
> 
> 
> The cfc itself starts like this:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And so on...
> 
> Anyone know the problem??
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
The path is right, cos I don¹t get an error saying it cant find it :)
Weird, must just be my dev box... Will try it elsewhere...
Thanks!

On 22/7/03 14:38, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though - what
> is the path to sendmail?
> 
> 
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its not
>> working :)
>> 
>> So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can change
>> how the mail is sent later down the line and not have to
>> change lots of cfmail tags...
>> 
>> Im calling it as follows:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But get the following error:
>> 
>> Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
>> 
>> Error information unsupported statement: class
>> coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
>> 
>> And it highlights the line
>> 
>> 
>> The cfc itself starts like this:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And so on...
>> 
>> Anyone know the problem??
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a field
that's either required/not required??

Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!


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RE: ergonomics

2003-07-22 Thread erica . lomax
Here's some general office setup ergonomics information that I copied off 
of our ergonomics department intranet site.


Chair 

Seatpan height should be set at a height that positions the upper legs 
parallel with the floor while both feet are flat on the floor or on a 
footrest. 

Both feet should be firmly on the floor or footrest to provide a solid 
base for the seated body. If a footrest is used, it should be 
approximately the same size as the seatpan. It should have a non-slip 
surface and stand firmly on the floor.  If the feet are not solidly 
positioned, the body will compensate with the muscles of the lower back 
and may cause stress. 

Sit all the way to the back of the seatpan to get the maximum back 
support. With the back against the vertical seat cushion, there should be 
at least an inch of clearance between the front of the seatpan cushion and 
the back of the knees. This will prevent cutting off of the blood supply 
to the lower legs. The width of the seatpan should accommodate the width 
of the individual without undue pressure from the armrests. 

The seatback cushion should be adjusted to a height that fits the natural 
curve of the lower back. When a person sits, the natural curve of the 
backbone straightens, causing stress to the disks in the back. The 
seatback encourages the natural curve of the back and reduces stress. The 
lumbar support should be centered 9 to 10 inches above the lowest point on 
the seat. The angle between the seatpan and seatback should be 100 to 120 
degrees. 

Armrests should be set to just below the elbow height. The arms should not 
rest on the armrests while using the keyboard but can rest when pausing. 
Armrests should be adjustable for both height and width. 


 

Keyboard and Mouse 

Sit in the chair with the shoulders relaxed, and the arms to the side of 
the body. Forearms should be positioned parallel with the floor with the 
wrists in a neutral or straight posture.   Fingertips should then just 
touch the second row of keys. Rear of the keyboard should be slightly 
lower than the front for a negative angle. This promotes a neutral or 
straight wrist position that minimizes stress. 

Small feet under the rear of the keyboard should not be used as they can 
cause the wrists to be positioned awkwardly causing stress. 

Wrist rest in front of the keyboard should be used to encourage the wrists 
to be positioned in a neutral posture. The wrists should not be placed on 
the wrist rest while keying in data, but can be rested during pauses. 

Mouse should be at the same height and either on the left or right side of 
the keyboard depending on the handedness of the individual. 

If the keyboard is on an adjustable height tray, the mouse should be 
located on the end of the tray or on a small platform at the end of the 
tray. If the available space is limited and the number pad is used 
infrequently, a small raised platform can be positioned over that end of 
the keyboard for the mouse. This will eliminate the extended reaches to 
the desktop with the mouse and avoid stress to the back. 


 

Monitor 

Monitor should be directly in front of the body with the eye-to-screen 
distance between 16 to 28 inches. 

Top of the screen should be at or slightly below eye level. The focus 
point of the eyes determines the distance from the eyes to the screen. 
Keeping the eyes within close focus range will reduce the requirement for 
the eyes to refocus when looking between a document and the screen. 
Constant refocusing causes eyes to tire. 

Normal blink rate for the eyes is 22 times each minute. When you 
concentrate on the computer screen, your blink rate drops to 7 times per 
minute causing the eyes to become dry and irritated. You should 
consciously blink your eyes to keep the eyeball wet and reduce dryness. 

Top of the screen should be tilted from 5 degrees forward to 15 degrees 
backward to help eliminate screen reflections. Tilting the top of the 
monitor slightly forward from the vertical will usually direct glare from 
overhead lighting down rather than into your eyes. 


 

Phone 

The telephone should be positioned on the right or left side of the work 
surface depending on the hand that is used to answer the phone. If the 
left hand normally picks up the phone while the right hand writes, the 
phone should be on the left side, and vice versa. 

Recommended maximum reach distance from the seated position should be no 
more than 16 inches. As you reach across your body, the outward reach 
distance drops dramatically to 6 inches. If the reach for the phone is 
across the body, it is an indicator that the phone may be on the wrong 
side as it causes twisting of the back. 

Phone should not be held between the shoulder and neck. This causes 
extreme stress to the neck and upper back. If the telephone use is less 
than 20 percent of the workday, holding the phone in the hand while 
talking is acceptable. If phone use is greater than 20 percent, a headset 
is

RE: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Raymond Camden
Yes, but what _is_ the path. I believe there is a bug where if the path
contains one of the Java keywords, the CFC won't work correctly.


===
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(www.mindseye.com)
Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:49 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
> The path is right, cos I don¹t get an error saying it cant 
> find it :) Weird, must just be my dev box... Will try it 
> elsewhere... Thanks!
> 
> On 22/7/03 14:38, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though - 
> > what is the path to sendmail?
> > 
> > 
> ==
> > ==
> > ===
> > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> > (www.mindseye.com)
> > Member of Team Macromedia 
> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> > 
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> > Yahoo IM : morpheus
> > 
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> > 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Cfc troubles...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hello all
> >> 
> >> Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its 
> not working 
> >> :)
> >> 
> >> So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can 
> change how the 
> >> mail is sent later down the line and not have to change lots of 
> >> cfmail tags...
> >> 
> >> Im calling it as follows:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
> >>  value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But get the following error:
> >> 
> >> Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
> >> 
> >> Error information unsupported statement: class 
> >> coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
> >> 
> >> And it highlights the line
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The cfc itself starts like this:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And so on...
> >> 
> >> Anyone know the problem??
> >> 
> >> Ryan
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Thats a good question :-)

Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of users;
cfform is one of them.
In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend using qForms
API (www.pengoworks.com).

Mike



- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a field
> that's either required/not required??
>
> Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
>
>
> 
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cfchart

2003-07-22 Thread Don
Why don't you make the query join these two related tables through the key column of 
"DEFECT_CODE" and select both columns?  then, 


   





Now, another thing, is chart normally used to display long description?

Li, Chunshen (Don)
http://68.32.61.40/datadata/dataman.cfm

>hi.. i would like to know if anyone could help me with my problem.. 
>
>show3d="yes">
   
>valueColumn="DC"/>
>
>
>You see, defect_code is stored in one table while I want to display 
>the defect_description which is in another table. I would like to 
>know how to change the defect_code to defect_description. defect_code 
>
>is the main link between the 2 tables.
>
>Thanx in advance..! :)
>
>
>
>
>-
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design 
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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
Aaah
I understand now :)

ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail

On 22/7/03 14:49, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, but what _is_ the path. I believe there is a bug where if the path
> contains one of the Java keywords, the CFC won't work correctly.
> 
> 
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:49 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> The path is right, cos I don¹t get an error saying it cant
>> find it :) Weird, must just be my dev box... Will try it
>> elsewhere... Thanks!
>> 
>> On 22/7/03 14:38, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though -
>>> what is the path to sendmail?
>>> 
>>> 
>> ==
>>> ==
>>> ===
>>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>>> (www.mindseye.com)
>>> Member of Team Macromedia
>> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
>>> 
>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
>>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>>> 
>>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Cfc troubles...
 
 
 Hello all
 
 Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its
>> not working 
 :)
 
 So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can
>> change how the 
 mail is sent later down the line and not have to change lots of
 cfmail tags...
 
 Im calling it as follows:
 
 
 > value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
 > value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
 
 
 
 
 But get the following error:
 
 Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
 
 Error information unsupported statement: class
 coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
 
 And it highlights the line
 
 
 The cfc itself starts like this:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 And so on...
 
 Anyone know the problem??
 
 Ryan
 
 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
now that is a path!


- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...


> Aaah
> I understand now :)
>
> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
>
> On 22/7/03 14:49, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but what _is_ the path. I believe there is a bug where if the path
> > contains one of the Java keywords, the CFC won't work correctly.
> >
> > 
> > ===
> > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> > (www.mindseye.com)
> > Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> > Yahoo IM : morpheus
> >
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:49 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> >>
> >>
> >> The path is right, cos I don¹t get an error saying it cant
> >> find it :) Weird, must just be my dev box... Will try it
> >> elsewhere... Thanks!
> >>
> >> On 22/7/03 14:38, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though -
> >>> what is the path to sendmail?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ==
> >>> ==
> >>> ===
> >>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> >>> (www.mindseye.com)
> >>> Member of Team Macromedia
> >> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> >>>
> >>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> >>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> >>>
> >>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
>  Hello all
> 
>  Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its
> >> not working
>  :)
> 
>  So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can
> >> change how the
>  mail is sent later down the line and not have to change lots of
>  cfmail tags...
> 
>  Im calling it as follows:
> 
>  
>   >> value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
>   >> value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  But get the following error:
> 
>  Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
> 
>  Error information unsupported statement: class
>  coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
> 
>  And it highlights the line
>  
> 
>  The cfc itself starts like this:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  And so on...
> 
>  Anyone know the problem??
> 
>  Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
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RE: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Raymond Camden
I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you show us the full
code of your CFC?


===
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(www.mindseye.com)
Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
> Aaah
> I understand now :)
> 
> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
> 

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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
lol :)
Its only my dev box :o)

On 22/7/03 14:57, "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> now that is a path!
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
>> Aaah
>> I understand now :)
>> 
>> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
>> 
>> On 22/7/03 14:49, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, but what _is_ the path. I believe there is a bug where if the path
>>> contains one of the Java keywords, the CFC won't work correctly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>>> (www.mindseye.com)
>>> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
>>> 
>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
>>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>>> 
>>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:49 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
 
 
 The path is right, cos I don¹t get an error saying it cant
 find it :) Weird, must just be my dev box... Will try it
 elsewhere... Thanks!
 
 On 22/7/03 14:38, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> I'm not seeing this when I duplicate your code. One thing though -
> what is the path to sendmail?
> 
> 
 ==
> ==
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia
 (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:30 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Im using a cfc for the first time... And guess what - its
 not working
>> :)
>> 
>> So this is a v simple mail cfc, designed so that I can
 change how the
>> mail is sent later down the line and not have to change lots of
>> cfmail tags...
>> 
>> Im calling it as follows:
>> 
>> 
>> >>> value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
>> >>> value="[EMAIL PROTECTED]">
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But get the following error:
>> 
>> Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
>> 
>> Error information unsupported statement: class
>> coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
>> 
>> And it highlights the line
>> 
>> 
>> The cfc itself starts like this:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And so on...
>> 
>> Anyone know the problem??
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Dave Watts
> What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation 
> for a field that's either required/not required??

There's nothing wrong with using it, although it does have its limitations.

> Isn't that why it is included in CFMX? 

Yes, I imagine so.

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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
Not really.. :o) ... NDA

On 22/7/03 14:59, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you show us the full
> code of your CFC?
> 
> 
> ===
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> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Aaah
>> I understand now :)
>> 
>> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
>> 
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in cfserver
validation) is quite useful.

Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves on
development time.

Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless ;-) )
than you think.


Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> Thats a good question :-)
>> 
>> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
users;
>> cfform is one of them.
>> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend using
>> qForms
>> API (www.pengoworks.com).
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a
field
>> > that's either required/not required??
>> >
>> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
>> >
>> > -Gel
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>

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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I personally thinks its ghastly...and by removing them from some of our
sites we have found them to be 60% faster in some areas.  For the sake of a
few hours more, I will code them by hand..

Its included in MX as quite a lot of people still use it - from thire CFWACK
days, its also because people like to save time!

-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 14:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a field
that's either required/not required??

Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!



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RE: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Raymond Camden
How about the full code of your method then? Also, can you view the
CFC's descriptor at least?


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> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
> Not really.. :o) ... NDA
> 
> On 22/7/03 14:59, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you show us the 
> > full code of your CFC?
> > 
> > 
> ==
> > ==
> > ===
> > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> > (www.mindseye.com)
> > Member of Team Macromedia 
> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> > 
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > 
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> > 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Aaah
> >> I understand now :)
> >> 
> >> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Matthew Walker
I think with a lot of features of CF such as cfform, cftable, and cfinsert
they're handy until you want to do something a little different then you
have to start from scratch, and rewrite what you've already got. Many
developers eventually become frustrated with these tags and either use lower
level tags such as cfquery or roll their own custom tag solutions, or use
third party, customisable products.

I think the number one reason people abandon cfform is that they need server
side validation of the data. Fundamentally, server side validation is
generally the primary focus. Client side should be an after thought -- it's
a usability and maybe performance enhancement rather than an app security
issue. I note CF provides some server side validation using form field name
suffixes and I think supplementary fields. I don't know if anybody at uses
this -- well, I don't, but I guess that's not really statistics.

But I think if you're still getting good value out of these tags then go for
it. Change comes from within. ;-)

I think the primary reason they are provided in CFMX is because they have
been provided in previous versions. One would like to hope that if MACR were
adding form tags to CFMX from scratch they'd provide something more
sophisticated.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:49 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a field
> that's either required/not required??
>
> Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
>
>
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it fell
short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It just made
more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or even
custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with that.
Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.

Mike





- Original Message - 
From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
> another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in cfserver
> validation) is quite useful.
>
> Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
> quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves on
> development time.
>
> Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless ;-) )
> than you think.
>
>
> Kola
>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >> Thats a good question :-)
> >>
> >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
> users;
> >> cfform is one of them.
> >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend using
> >> qForms
> >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a
> field
> >> > that's either required/not required??
> >> >
> >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
> >> >
> >> > -Gel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
*takes a look at Qforms*

*grumbles*

Yes. This looks a lot cooler.
But its so much stuff to learn.
*sigh*

But it is a lot cooler.

*mutter*
I guess I've been fighting using this too long.
*settles down to try using the API*

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Thats a good question :-)

Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of users;
cfform is one of them. In terms of validation and having more
flexibility Id recommend using qForms API (www.pengoworks.com).

Mike


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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
Ok, hopefully ive take all the stuff I cant show out...

















// remove all html from the string passed
function removeHTML(s) {
return rereplace(s, '<[^>]>', '', 'all');
}

// replace all  with CR/LF and all  with LF in passed
string
function plainTextFormat(s) {
s = rereplace(s, '',
'#chr(13)##chr(10)##chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
s = rereplace(s, '', '#chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
return removeHTML(s);
}














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On 22/7/03 15:07, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How about the full code of your method then? Also, can you view the
> CFC's descriptor at least?
> 
> 
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
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> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:03 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Not really.. :o) ... NDA
>> 
>> On 22/7/03 14:59, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you show us the
>>> full code of your CFC?
>>> 
>>> 
>> ==
>>> ==
>>> ===
>>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>>> (www.mindseye.com)
>>> Member of Team Macromedia
>> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
>>> 
>>> Email: 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
>>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>>> 
>>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
 
 
 Aaah
 I understand now :)
 
 ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread ColdFusion Programmer
It finally worked. Not on my system though. I copied the files to another system and 
it worked. I do see a list of services that are running on the server. 

However, what happenns if the SitMinder service crashes unexpectedly, and as you might 
know this happenns very often. Would tList.exe still list the service? My guess is it 
would, because the SiteMinder Authentication/Authorization service status would still 
be "started" even though the service has crashed. I need a script to monitor the 
siteMinder services and send alerts when the service is not responding. My current 
solution is to use the cfauthenticate coldfusion tag. The script calls the tag and 
returns a success or failure message. However, I've noticed that even after stopping 
the SiteMinder services(s), the status message does not change to "failed", that's 
because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder service cache. Flushing the cache would slow 
down the performance, but how else can I get the upto the minute status of the 
service? I would really appreciate your help
>ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>
>> Can you paste the code that works for you (tList.cfm)?
>
>timeout="2" arguments="-s">
>
>
>Jochem
>
>
>
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
yep.QForms is nice...very nice

-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


*takes a look at Qforms*

*grumbles*

Yes. This looks a lot cooler.
But its so much stuff to learn.
*sigh*

But it is a lot cooler.

*mutter*
I guess I've been fighting using this too long.
*settles down to try using the API*

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Thats a good question :-)

Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of users;
cfform is one of them. In terms of validation and having more
flexibility Id recommend using qForms API (www.pengoworks.com).

Mike



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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread webguy
Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub tag in
cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow exponentially.

That was in up3 i think.

WG

-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0


I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it fell
short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It just made
more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or even
custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with that.
Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.

Mike





- Original Message -
From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
> another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in cfserver
> validation) is quite useful.
>
> Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
> quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves on
> development time.
>
> Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless ;-) )
> than you think.
>
>
> Kola
>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >> Thats a good question :-)
> >>
> >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
> users;
> >> cfform is one of them.
> >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend using
> >> qForms
> >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation for a
> field
> >> > that's either required/not required??
> >> >
> >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
> >> >
> >> > -Gel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
>

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RE: Problem with CFFILE

2003-07-22 Thread Dave Watts
> What do you recommend that I do. I am running the coldfusion
> application on one server and am trying to move a folder on 
> another server using 'CFFile'. The only way I have been able 
> to get it to work is by running the ColdFusion service logged 
> on as a User I created that is a Member of the 'Domain Admins'
> group. I had a feeling that this was unsafe, but I do not know
> how to correct it.
>
> What do you recommend

I recommend that you create an account that has the least permissions
needed, and run CF as that user. Of course, it's not as simple as that.

If you're running CF 5 or earlier, you have to make sure that this user
account has appropriate permissions to touch all of the CF files and
registry keys, as well as the CFML files you write. This is very nicely
detailed here:

http://www.defusion.com/articles/index.cfm?ArticleID=89

If you're running CFMX, it's considerably simpler in most cases, although
I'd recommend that you read the above link anyway. This account doesn't need
any access to the registry unless you're storing Client variables there. The
service account needs the right to run as a service, and it needs modify
rights to the CFusionMX directory and its subdirectories, and read rights to
the CFML files that you want it to run.

Since the goal in your case is to let CF get access to network resources,
this account should probably be a domain account, or have access to those
resources some other way.

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RE: SiteMinder Service Status

2003-07-22 Thread webguy
if siteminder is a service, (never used it) check out cfx_servicecontrol @
www.coolfusion.com

-Original Message-
From: ColdFusion Programmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SiteMinder Service Status


It finally worked. Not on my system though. I copied the files to another
system and it worked. I do see a list of services that are running on the
server.

However, what happenns if the SitMinder service crashes unexpectedly, and as
you might know this happenns very often. Would tList.exe still list the
service? My guess is it would, because the SiteMinder
Authentication/Authorization service status would still be "started" even
though the service has crashed. I need a script to monitor the siteMinder
services and send alerts when the service is not responding. My current
solution is to use the cfauthenticate coldfusion tag. The script calls the
tag and returns a success or failure message. However, I've noticed that
even after stopping the SiteMinder services(s), the status message does not
change to "failed", that's because coldfusion caches the SiteMinder service
cache. Flushing the cache would slow down the performance, but how else can
I get the upto the minute status of the service? I would really appreciate
your help
>ColdFusion Programmer wrote:
>
>> Can you paste the code that works for you (tList.cfm)?
>
>timeout="2" arguments="-s">
>
>
>Jochem
>
>
>

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RE: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Raymond Camden
There you go - you can't define a UDF inside a CFC method. You have to
define it outside.


===
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Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:15 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> 
> 
> Ok, hopefully ive take all the stuff I cant show out...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  returntype="boolean" hint="send mail function">
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> // remove all html from the string passed
> function removeHTML(s) {
> return rereplace(s, '<[^>]>', '', 'all');
> }
> 
> // replace all  with CR/LF and all  with 
> LF in passed string
> function plainTextFormat(s) {
> s = rereplace(s, '', 
> '#chr(13)##chr(10)##chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
> s = rereplace(s, '', '#chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
> return removeHTML(s);
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  from="#arguments.from#" subject="#removeHTML(arguments.subject)#">
> 
> #removeHTML(subject)#
> #body#
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/7/03 15:07, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > How about the full code of your method then? Also, can you view the 
> > CFC's descriptor at least?
> > 
> > 
> ==
> > ==
> > ===
> > Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> > (www.mindseye.com)
> > Member of Team Macromedia 
> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> > 
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> > Yahoo IM : morpheus
> > 
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> > 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:03 AM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Not really.. :o) ... NDA
> >> 
> >> On 22/7/03 14:59, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you 
> show us the 
> >>> full code of your CFC?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> =
> >> =
> >>> ==
> >>> ===
> >>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> >>> (www.mindseye.com)
> >>> Member of Team Macromedia
> >> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> >>> 
> >>> Email: 
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> >>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> >>> 
> >>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >>> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>  
>  
>  Aaah
>  I understand now :)
>  
>  ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
>  
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> > 
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Charlie Griefer
Angel:

If you don't want to dive right into the Qforms API, i put a short
'tutorial' online to show some js form field validation (a couple that I
don't believe can be accomplished thru cfform...but i could be wrong there).

It's at http://charlie.griefer.com/js_validation.html  (view source).

As far as Qforms...I've not used it myself, but I have yet to hear anything
but rave reviews from people who have.

charlie

- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> *takes a look at Qforms*
>
> *grumbles*
>
> Yes. This looks a lot cooler.
> But its so much stuff to learn.
> *sigh*
>
> But it is a lot cooler.
>
> *mutter*
> I guess I've been fighting using this too long.
> *settles down to try using the API*
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thats a good question :-)
>
> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of users;
> cfform is one of them. In terms of validation and having more
> flexibility Id recommend using qForms API (www.pengoworks.com).
>
> Mike
>
>
> 
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Re: Cfc troubles...

2003-07-22 Thread Ryan Mitchell
Perfect... Thanks!!

On 22/7/03 15:21, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There you go - you can't define a UDF inside a CFC method. You have to
> define it outside.
> 
> 
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:15 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, hopefully ive take all the stuff I cant show out...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > returntype="boolean" hint="send mail function">
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> // remove all html from the string passed
>> function removeHTML(s) {
>> return rereplace(s, '<[^>]>', '', 'all');
>> }
>> 
>> // replace all  with CR/LF and all  with
>> LF in passed string
>> function plainTextFormat(s) {
>> s = rereplace(s, '',
>> '#chr(13)##chr(10)##chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
>> s = rereplace(s, '', '#chr(13)##chr(10)#', 'all');
>> return removeHTML(s);
>> }
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > from="#arguments.from#" subject="#removeHTML(arguments.subject)#">
>> 
>> #removeHTML(subject)#
>> #body#
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 22/7/03 15:07, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> How about the full code of your method then? Also, can you view the
>>> CFC's descriptor at least?
>>> 
>>> 
>> ==
>>> ==
>>> ===
>>> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>>> (www.mindseye.com)
>>> Member of Team Macromedia
>> (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
>>> 
>>> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
>>> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>>> 
>>> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:03 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
 
 
 Not really.. :o) ... NDA
 
 On 22/7/03 14:59, "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> I'm not seeing anything there that worries me. Can you
>> show us the 
> full code of your CFC?
> 
> 
 
>> =
 =
> ==
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> (www.mindseye.com)
> Member of Team Macromedia
 (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
> 
> Email: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
> 
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:56 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Cfc troubles...
>> 
>> 
>> Aaah
>> I understand now :)
>> 
>> ignite.site.shared.cfc.sendmail
>> 
> 
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
Yes well, from someone that isn't too in-depth with Javascript it is a
bit
Strange. 

I am ..worried over the reports I'm reading here that using CFFORM
increases page rendering time by so much though. It means that it
certainly won't be an option on a large site with multiple
field-multiple page registration forms etc. Which is really odd, since
the whole things seems to be fairly unchanged since the early days of
CF.I thought that if there were performance issues, that they would have
been addressed by now. 

-Gel
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Angel:

If you don't want to dive right into the Qforms API, i put a short
'tutorial' online to show some js form field validation (a couple that I
don't believe can be accomplished thru cfform...but i could be wrong
there).

It's at http://charlie.griefer.com/js_validation.html  (view source).

As far as Qforms...I've not used it myself, but I have yet to hear
anything but rave reviews from people who have.

charlie


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Well if the extra time used to generate the javascript used in cfform is
huge performance hit then that would be a good reason not to use it. Of
course we all realize we need server side validation but what's often
overlooked is the amount of server processing that can be reduced as a
result of using Javascript. Also in the absence of a good api like the
ones provided by pengoworks, building your own involves the minor task
of ensuring its cross browser compatible.


Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:21
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub tag
in
>> cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow
exponentially.
>> 
>> That was in up3 i think.
>> 
>> WG
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it
fell
>> short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It
just
>> made
>> more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or
>> even
>> custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with
>> that.
>> Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> > Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
>> > another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in
cfserver
>> > validation) is quite useful.
>> >
>> > Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
>> > quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves
on
>> > development time.
>> >
>> > Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless
;-)
>> )
>> > than you think.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kola
>> >
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
>> > >> To: CF-Talk
>> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >> Thats a good question :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
>> > users;
>> > >> cfform is one of them.
>> > >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend
>> using
>> > >> qForms
>> > >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
>> > >>
>> > >> Mike
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> - Original Message -
>> > >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
>> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation
for a
>> > field
>> > >> > that's either required/not required??
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -Gel
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -Original Message-
>> > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> >
>> > >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> 
>>

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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
So..umm..who has a neat tutorial for using Qforms API ^_^

-Gel




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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
What kind if validation would you do on the server side for a form?  I think
(probably quite reckless) that most people will have JS enabled etcI do
see what you mean though - then again, if I was going 100% server side I
wouldnt bother with Client Side...can be arsed doing it twice.

-Original Message-
From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


Well if the extra time used to generate the javascript used in cfform is
huge performance hit then that would be a good reason not to use it. Of
course we all realize we need server side validation but what's often
overlooked is the amount of server processing that can be reduced as a
result of using Javascript. Also in the absence of a good api like the
ones provided by pengoworks, building your own involves the minor task
of ensuring its cross browser compatible.


Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:21
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub tag
in
>> cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow
exponentially.
>> 
>> That was in up3 i think.
>> 
>> WG
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it
fell
>> short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It
just
>> made
>> more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or
>> even
>> custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with
>> that.
>> Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> > Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
>> > another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in
cfserver
>> > validation) is quite useful.
>> >
>> > Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
>> > quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves
on
>> > development time.
>> >
>> > Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless
;-)
>> )
>> > than you think.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kola
>> >
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
>> > >> To: CF-Talk
>> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >> Thats a good question :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
>> > users;
>> > >> cfform is one of them.
>> > >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend
>> using
>> > >> qForms
>> > >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
>> > >>
>> > >> Mike
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> - Original Message -
>> > >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
>> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation
for a
>> > field
>> > >> > that's either required/not required??
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -Gel
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -Original Message-
>> > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> >
>> > >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> 
>>


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread webguy
Just to be clear, this may have been fixed, or about to be fixed.(r3dsci)

Also I haven't tested this myself, just read Matts post (but I trust Matt..)

WG

> I am ..worried over the reports I'm reading here that using CFFORM
> increases page rendering time by so much though. It means that it
> certainly won't be an option on a large site with multiple
> field-multiple page registration forms etc. Which is really odd, since
> the whole things seems to be fairly unchanged since the early days of
> CF.I thought that if there were performance issues, that they would have
> been addressed by now.

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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user about
field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so on.If I
were that user I'd freak right out ;-)

I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra trip
to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for duplicate
records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why create
a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time there
will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust always do
it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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cffile (action=read)

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Hello.

I am uploading a file to the server and then reading its contents into a variable 
called docText. The file uploaded is a Word file but could be a text or html document 
as well. Anyways, if I do

Len(docText) I get about 90,000 or so for this particular document. When I output 
docText

#docText#

I get a few strange characters:  ÐÏࡱá 

Is there anyway to output this text so that it is readable? I do not need to display 
it actually, I need to be able to parse it which seems to work just fine on MX, but I 
am on CF 5 and it does not. Any ideas? 

Thanks,

Mike
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
here here..this is also one of the reasons we moved away (apart from
performance)

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0


Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user about
field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so on.If I
were that user I'd freak right out ;-)

I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra trip
to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for duplicate
records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why create
a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time there
will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust always do
it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com
-
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www.cfug-vancouverisland.com


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
dont think it has


NDA, NDA... ;-)


-Original Message-
From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


Just to be clear, this may have been fixed, or about to be fixed.(r3dsci)

Also I haven't tested this myself, just read Matts post (but I trust Matt..)

WG

> I am ..worried over the reports I'm reading here that using CFFORM
> increases page rendering time by so much though. It means that it
> certainly won't be an option on a large site with multiple
> field-multiple page registration forms etc. Which is really odd, since
> the whole things seems to be fairly unchanged since the early days of
> CF.I thought that if there were performance issues, that they would have
> been addressed by now.


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread webguy
I think someone on the qforms list built tags that use qforms without need
to do js


Email dan and find out !

WG


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Sent: 22 July 2003 15:34
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


So..umm..who has a neat tutorial for using Qforms API ^_^

-Gel





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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 "ensuring its cross browser compatible."

This is one of the reasons I go with qForms. I do not have the skills at
this time, nor the understanding of browser issues to code the JS myself all
the time.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Well if the extra time used to generate the javascript used in cfform is
> huge performance hit then that would be a good reason not to use it. Of
> course we all realize we need server side validation but what's often
> overlooked is the amount of server processing that can be reduced as a
> result of using Javascript. Also in the absence of a good api like the
> ones provided by pengoworks, building your own involves the minor task
> of ensuring its cross browser compatible.
>
>
> Kola
>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:21
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >> Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub tag
> in
> >> cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow
> exponentially.
> >>
> >> That was in up3 i think.
> >>
> >> WG
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it
> fell
> >> short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It
> just
> >> made
> >> more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or
> >> even
> >> custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with
> >> that.
> >> Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> > Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
> >> > another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in
> cfserver
> >> > validation) is quite useful.
> >> >
> >> > Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
> >> > quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves
> on
> >> > development time.
> >> >
> >> > Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless
> ;-)
> >> )
> >> > than you think.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kola
> >> >
> >> > >> -Original Message-
> >> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
> >> > >> To: CF-Talk
> >> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thats a good question :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
> >> > users;
> >> > >> cfform is one of them.
> >> > >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend
> >> using
> >> > >> qForms
> >> > >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Mike
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> - Original Message -
> >> > >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
> >> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation
> for a
> >> > field
> >> > >> > that's either required/not required??
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > -Gel
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > -Original Message-
> >> > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
I do both. If the JS is enabled then you do not waste system resources
processing the page looking for validation errors, if JS is disbaled you are
covered. I think you should always do both: helps ensure data integrity and
offers a second level of protection.

Mike



- Original Message - 
From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> What kind if validation would you do on the server side for a form?  I
think
> (probably quite reckless) that most people will have JS enabled etcI
do
> see what you mean though - then again, if I was going 100% server side I
> wouldnt bother with Client Side...can be arsed doing it twice.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:33
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>
>
> Well if the extra time used to generate the javascript used in cfform is
> huge performance hit then that would be a good reason not to use it. Of
> course we all realize we need server side validation but what's often
> overlooked is the amount of server processing that can be reduced as a
> result of using Javascript. Also in the absence of a good api like the
> ones provided by pengoworks, building your own involves the minor task
> of ensuring its cross browser compatible.
>
>
> Kola
>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:21
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >> Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub tag
> in
> >> cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow
> exponentially.
> >>
> >> That was in up3 i think.
> >>
> >> WG
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found it
> fell
> >> short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.  It
> just
> >> made
> >> more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms API or
> >> even
> >> custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck with
> >> that.
> >> Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it offers.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >>
> >> > Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after taking
> >> > another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in
> cfserver
> >> > validation) is quite useful.
> >> >
> >> > Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but when you
> >> > quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it saves
> on
> >> > development time.
> >> >
> >> > Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or useless
> ;-)
> >> )
> >> > than you think.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kola
> >> >
> >> > >> -Original Message-
> >> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
> >> > >> To: CF-Talk
> >> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thats a good question :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of
> >> > users;
> >> > >> cfform is one of them.
> >> > >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id recommend
> >> using
> >> > >> qForms
> >> > >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Mike
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> - Original Message -
> >> > >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
> >> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple validation
> for a
> >> > field
> >> > >> > that's either required/not required??
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Isn't that why it is included in CFMX?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > -Gel
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > -Original Message-
> >> > >> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > the fact you are using cfform is sheer madness!
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Check out the examples at pengoworks:

http://www.pengoworks.com/qforms/docs/examples/

Mike


- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> So..umm..who has a neat tutorial for using Qforms API ^_^
>
> -Gel
>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
Tags??
CF Tags??
Really??

!_!
Who's Dan? 
Do you have them? 
Who's Dan?
How come they aren't on the Macromedia Exchange!
Who's Dan?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I think someone on the qforms list built tags that use qforms without
need to do js

Email dan and find out !

WG


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RE: cffile (action=read)

2003-07-22 Thread Craig Dudley
I reckon those are word control characters, I may have seen a tag to
strip all those out somewhere or even a regex that removes everything
other than std ascii might be a possibility.

Bear in mind that you can't totally remove all those chars if you want
the document to keeps its formatting etc.

-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cffile (action=read)


Hello.

I am uploading a file to the server and then reading its contents into a
variable called docText. The file uploaded is a Word file but could be a
text or html document as well. Anyways, if I do

Len(docText) I get about 90,000 or so for this particular document. When
I output docText

#docText#

I get a few strange characters:  ÐÏࡱá 

Is there anyway to output this text so that it is readable? I do not
need to display it actually, I need to be able to parse it which seems
to work just fine on MX, but I am on CF 5 and it does not. Any ideas? 

Thanks,

Mike

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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
Neil

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:38
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> What kind if validation would you do on the server side for a form?
I
>> think
>> (probably quite reckless) that most people will have JS enabled
etcI
>> do
>> see what you mean though - then again, if I was going 100% server
side I
>> wouldnt bother with Client Side...can be arsed doing it twice.
>> 

That's exactly my point. It allows you to quickly add js validation in
addition to server side validation without getting bogged down in the
details. Which for a high traffic site could make a significant
differene. Consider the scenario where a person submits a form with a
few required fields missing, fills in one or two but misses the rest
submits the form again ...this guy despite your error message still
misses another required field...gets an error message submits the form
again...you get the picture. 


Kola

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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Take a few minutes and read up on qForms at the links I provided you.
Dan is on this list form time to time.

Mike


- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Tags??
> CF Tags??
> Really??
>
> !_!
> Who's Dan?
> Do you have them?
> Who's Dan?
> How come they aren't on the Macromedia Exchange!
> Who's Dan?
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I think someone on the qforms list built tags that use qforms without
> need to do js
>
> Email dan and find out !
>
> WG
>
>
> 
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Re: cffile (action=read)

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Cool. I will hunt around for the regex or tags. I could actually care less
about the formatting, I am just searching the text for merge fields (not
standard word merge fields) just certain patterns.

Thanks for the headsup on that.. if anyone knows off the top of their head
where to find such regex or tags, let me know as I would be most
appreciative.

In the meantime, I will look.

Thanks!

Mike

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: cffile (action=read)


> I reckon those are word control characters, I may have seen a tag to
> strip all those out somewhere or even a regex that removes everything
> other than std ascii might be a possibility.
>
> Bear in mind that you can't totally remove all those chars if you want
> the document to keeps its formatting etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:45
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: cffile (action=read)
>
>
> Hello.
>
> I am uploading a file to the server and then reading its contents into a
> variable called docText. The file uploaded is a Word file but could be a
> text or html document as well. Anyways, if I do
>
> Len(docText) I get about 90,000 or so for this particular document. When
> I output docText
>
> #docText#
>
> I get a few strange characters:  ÐÏࡱá
>
> Is there anyway to output this text so that it is readable? I do not
> need to display it actually, I need to be able to parse it which seems
> to work just fine on MX, but I am on CF 5 and it does not. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Charlie Griefer
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
> functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
> submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user about
> field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so on.If I
> were that user I'd freak right out ;-)

well, most people know i'm NOT an advocate of CFFORM, but what you're
describing isn't necessarily an issue with CFFORM, but an issue with client
side validation itself.

I know other people who subscribe to your 'one error at a time' theory.  I
don't disagree with it...but I feel that if there are 10 (required)
fields...and the user enters none...well what are the odds that the user
isn't going to fill out a single field?  IMO, good design would dictate that
you mark certain fields as required.  This would significantly cut down on
the likelihood of the user having to deal with 10 javascript alerts, one at
a time :)

> I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra trip
> to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for duplicate
> records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why
create
> a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time there
> will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust always
do
> it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)

I advocate server side validation as well.  On the off chance that the user
doesn't have js enabled...or I screw up my js and the validation function
doesn't fire...well, it will never hurt to have validation on the server as
well.  Even if i'm creating a hybrid of client/server-side...it's worth it
(IMO, of course), as the client-side is a courtesy to the user (so he or she
doesn't have to wait for the round trip to the server and back), while the
server-side is there to insure the integrity of my data.

charlie


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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:47
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
>> functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
>> submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user
about
>> field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so
on.If I
>> were that user I'd freak right out ;-)

This isn't such a problem on the client side, bearing in mind the
message is a javascript alert. If the site is doing this after server
side validation then its badly designed.

>> I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra
>> trip
>> to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for
duplicate
>> records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why
>> create
>> a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time
>> there
>> will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust
always
>> do
>> it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)

Because if you don't specify all the fields in your error message which
have not been completed (I'm sure you do) then the user has to endure
the nightmare scenario of experiencing your #1 pet peeve. Even worse if
they're on a dialup.

Kola
 

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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Kola Oyedeji
I agree, I think you should *always* do both (although I'm guilty of not
doing this myself) - not just for security but for performance and the
user experience, I think many people view client side javascript as
optional.

Kola

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:49
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> I do both. If the JS is enabled then you do not waste system
resources
>> processing the page looking for validation errors, if JS is disbaled
you
>> are
>> covered. I think you should always do both: helps ensure data
integrity
>> and
>> offers a second level of protection.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:38 AM
>> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> 
>> 
>> > What kind if validation would you do on the server side for a form?
I
>> think
>> > (probably quite reckless) that most people will have JS enabled
>> etcI
>> do
>> > see what you mean though - then again, if I was going 100% server
side
>> I
>> > wouldnt bother with Client Side...can be arsed doing it twice.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: 22 July 2003 15:33
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> >
>> >
>> > Well if the extra time used to generate the javascript used in
cfform
>> is
>> > huge performance hit then that would be a good reason not to use
it. Of
>> > course we all realize we need server side validation but what's
often
>> > overlooked is the amount of server processing that can be reduced
as a
>> > result of using Javascript. Also in the absence of a good api like
the
>> > ones provided by pengoworks, building your own involves the minor
task
>> > of ensuring its cross browser compatible.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kola
>> >
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:21
>> > >> To: CF-Talk
>> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >> Matt Liotta did some checking and it appears that for every sub
tag
>> > in
>> > >> cfform (e.g.  ) the page rendering times grow
>> > exponentially.
>> > >>
>> > >> That was in up3 i think.
>> > >>
>> > >> WG
>> > >>
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:08
>> > >> To: CF-Talk
>> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I suppose so. I have used it in the past quite a bit, but found
it
>> > fell
>> > >> short in some areas or I had to combine it with additional JS.
It
>> > just
>> > >> made
>> > >> more sense to me to use one or the other, and since the qForms
API
>> or
>> > >> even
>> > >> custom written stuff was more flexible I have just kind of stuck
>> with
>> > >> that.
>> > >> Nothing against really, I just often need more than what it
offers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mike
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> - Original Message -
>> > >> From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:03 AM
>> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > Interesting I used to be of the same mind set, however after
>> taking
>> > >> > another look I think the cfform validation (not the built in
>> > cfserver
>> > >> > validation) is quite useful.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Why re-invent the wheel? Granted its not that flexible but
when
>> you
>> > >> > quickly want to knock up a form with a few required fields it
>> saves
>> > on
>> > >> > development time.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Mike I'd suggest another look, they may be more useful( or
useless
>> > ;-)
>> > >> )
>> > >> > than you think.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Kola
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> > >> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > >> > >> Sent: 22 July 2003 14:53
>> > >> > >> To: CF-Talk
>> > >> > >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Thats a good question :-)
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by
alot of
>> > >> > users;
>> > >> > >> cfform is one of them.
>> > >> > >> In terms of validation and having more flexibility Id
recommend
>> > >> using
>> > >> > >> qForms
>> > >> > >> API (www.pengoworks.com).
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Mike
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> - Original Message -
>> > >> > >> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:49 AM
>> > >> > >> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> > What's so horrible about using CFFORM for simple
validation
>> > for a
>> > >> > field
>> > >> > >> > that's either required/not required??
>> > >> > >> >
>> > >> > >> > Isn't that why it is included

RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Charlie,

> If you don't want to dive right into the Qforms API, i put a short
> 'tutorial' online to show some js form field validation (a couple that I
> don't believe can be accomplished thru cfform...but i could be wrong
> there).
> 
> It's at http://charlie.griefer.com/js_validation.html  (view source).
> 
> As far as Qforms...I've not used it myself, but I have yet to hear
> anything
> but rave reviews from people who have.

To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire block
of code needed to reproduce your example template:







Most of the code you can store in a snippet--since the odds are it doesn't
change much (maybe the path to the qForms will from project to project, but
on a single site, you always point to the same location so that you get the
benefit of the code being cached.)

Since qForms treats all forms alike--i.e. the getValue() method will return
the value for a radio, checkbox, select, text, hidden, textbox, etc element,
all you need to do is mark a field required and qForms handles the rest for
you.

-Dan

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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Charlie...see below ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
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-
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www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0


> - Original Message -
> From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
>
>
> > Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
> > functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
> > submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user about
> > field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so on.If
I
> > were that user I'd freak right out ;-)
>
> well, most people know i'm NOT an advocate of CFFORM, but what you're
> describing isn't necessarily an issue with CFFORM, but an issue with
client
> side validation itself.

I can produce client-side validation that gives one big error message...not
that tough ;-)

>
> I know other people who subscribe to your 'one error at a time' theory.  I
> don't disagree with it...but I feel that if there are 10 (required)
> fields...and the user enters none...well what are the odds that the user
> isn't going to fill out a single field?  IMO, good design would dictate
that
> you mark certain fields as required.  This would significantly cut down on
> the likelihood of the user having to deal with 10 javascript alerts, one
at
> a time :)

Well of course ya put in your red asterixs etc.but I'm tryin to make a
point hereplus users can do some amazing things and we gotta code for it
;-)

>
> > I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra
trip
> > to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for
duplicate
> > records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why
> create
> > a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time
there
> > will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust always
> do
> > it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)
>
> I advocate server side validation as well.  On the off chance that the
user
> doesn't have js enabled...or I screw up my js and the validation function
> doesn't fire...well, it will never hurt to have validation on the server
as
> well.  Even if i'm creating a hybrid of client/server-side...it's worth it
> (IMO, of course), as the client-side is a courtesy to the user (so he or
she
> doesn't have to wait for the round trip to the server and back), while the
> server-side is there to insure the integrity of my data.

fair enough ;-)

>
> charlie
>
>
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
I've used Qforms in a couple of projects -- really nice UI. It was
complicated to get things up and running the first time just learning it -- 
but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy. Writing custom validators
I found a bit of a challenge, but certainly worth it. I took one application
used by a university admissions dept for back-of-office workflow, just added
qForms for better validation, and you'd have thought it was a brand new app
by the reactions. It makes the app act a little more like client/server (eg
VB) apps. Doing slick stuff like grabbing a query in the background and
using it to repopulate a dropdown on the fly is pretty slick!

OF course if memory serves, there were articles way back in CFDJ volume 1 or
2 or 3 (maybe by Steve Drucker) about how to do the same thing. But the
qForms API gives you a consistent, prepackaged way to do it, includes a lot
of validators, and has an extension method for writing your own validators.
Good stuff.

Regards,

John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/TransitionPoint
- Original Message - 
From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Angel:
>
> If you don't want to dive right into the Qforms API, i put a short
> 'tutorial' online to show some js form field validation (a couple that I
> don't believe can be accomplished thru cfform...but i could be wrong
there).
>
> It's at http://charlie.griefer.com/js_validation.html  (view source).
>
> As far as Qforms...I've not used it myself, but I have yet to hear
anything
> but rave reviews from people who have.
>
> charlie
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:09 AM
> Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0
>
>
> > *takes a look at Qforms*
> >
> > *grumbles*
> >
> > Yes. This looks a lot cooler.
> > But its so much stuff to learn.
> > *sigh*
> >
> > But it is a lot cooler.
> >
> > *mutter*
> > I guess I've been fighting using this too long.
> > *settles down to try using the API*
> >
> > -Gel
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Thats a good question :-)
> >
> > Some things in CF are available, yet not recommended by alot of users;
> > cfform is one of them. In terms of validation and having more
> > flexibility Id recommend using qForms API (www.pengoworks.com).
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Kolasee below

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
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- Original Message -
From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:47
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: CFForm madness. 0_0
> >>
> >> Personally the #1 reason I hate CFFORM is the "one error at a time"
> >> functionality..10 fieldsall required..none filled inform
> >> submittedtells user about field 1user submits...tells user
> about
> >> field 2submits form...tells user about field 3.and so
> on.If I
> >> were that user I'd freak right out ;-)
>
> This isn't such a problem on the client side, bearing in mind the
> message is a javascript alert. If the site is doing this after server
> side validation then its badly designed.

Well yes it is badit's horrible application flow and frustrtaing for the
user...it's 1 erorr message for EVERYTHING that is wrong or IMHO it's bad
design

>
> >> I've always done server-side validation even though there is an extra
> >> trip
> >> to the server.I inevitably have to run a query to check for
> duplicate
> >> records or something else that HAS to happen server -side.so why
> >> create
> >> a hybrid of client/server-side when I know that 80 plus% of the time
> >> there
> >> will be at least 1 thing per form to validate server-sidejust
> always
> >> do
> >> it the samw way and life is good and code is reusable ;-)
>
> Because if you don't specify all the fields in your error message which
> have not been completed (I'm sure you do) then the user has to endure
> the nightmare scenario of experiencing your #1 pet peeve. Even worse if
> they're on a dialup.

Well yabut of course all validation will occurit's called
DevTest...Prodit won't get to Prod if it's not validating properly
;-)

>
> Kola
>
>
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Angel Stewart
Ok that's interesting, but then won't the user get back an error message
saying:
Please fill in TextInput1?

If the name of the form field is fname20...I don't necessarily want the
user to see :Please fill in fname20. 
I'd prefer them to see :Please provide a name.

How would you do that...for say 5 fields?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire
block of code needed to reproduce your example template:

  



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'undoing' scientific format

2003-07-22 Thread Mike Mertsock
Hello,

I'm displaying some moderately small decimals. I need to "undo" the scientific format 
these decimals normally display in and print ALL the leading zeroes, followed by the 
first two significant digits. Here are some examples:

0.001 --> 0.001
5.3E-4 --> 0.00053
6.428E-5 --> 0.64
2.0 E-6 --> 0.02

I've messed around with NumberFormat(), and some regular expressions, to no avail. 
Here is the code I currently have. It's almost there but sometimes it picks up an 
extra non-zero. And it would be nice to figure out some code that's more readable too:

0.#RepeatString( "0", Abs(Int(Log10(someValue))) - 1 )##REReplace( someValue, 
"\.0*([0-9]{0,2}).*", "\1" )#

This results in the following:
0.001 --> 0.0001
5.3E-4 --> 0.00053
6.428E-5 --> 0.642
2.0E-6 --> 0.02

Don't ask how that RepeatString got in there.

Any ideas?



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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
We use a custom script which loops through and tots up the errors and error
messages etcthen outputs them via a simple alert of what is wrong with
the field for multiple fields.



-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 16:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


Ok that's interesting, but then won't the user get back an error message
saying:
Please fill in TextInput1?

If the name of the form field is fname20...I don't necessarily want the
user to see :Please fill in fname20. 
I'd prefer them to see :Please provide a name.

How would you do that...for say 5 fields?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire
block of code needed to reproduce your example template:

  




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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread webguy
Sorry I thought Everyone knew Dan G. Switzer, II  (creator of qForms!) :-)

WG

-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 22 July 2003 15:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


Tags??
CF Tags??
Really??

!_!
Who's Dan?
Do you have them?
Who's Dan?
How come they aren't on the Macromedia Exchange!
Who's Dan?

-Gel


-Original Message-
From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think someone on the qforms list built tags that use qforms without
need to do js

Email dan and find out !

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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
qForms allows some flexibility in this area...



- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Ok that's interesting, but then won't the user get back an error message
> saying:
> Please fill in TextInput1?
>
> If the name of the form field is fname20...I don't necessarily want the
> user to see :Please fill in fname20.
> I'd prefer them to see :Please provide a name.
>
> How would you do that...for say 5 fields?
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire
> block of code needed to reproduce your example template:
>
>   language="JavaScript"> 
> 
>
>
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Charlie,

> I know other people who subscribe to your 'one error at a time' theory.  I
> don't disagree with it...but I feel that if there are 10 (required)
> fields...and the user enters none...well what are the odds that the user
> isn't going to fill out a single field?  IMO, good design would dictate
> that
> you mark certain fields as required.  This would significantly cut down on
> the likelihood of the user having to deal with 10 javascript alerts, one
> at
> a time :)

Check out the sample code I just sent to you (and to the list.) qForms
handles trapping all the errors for you at one time, plus if the browser and
form field element supports it, it'll use CSS to highlight the field that's
causing the problem.

Required fields on a page definitely need to be clearly marked, but there
are times when requiring a field may depend on the value of something else
in your field. For example, maybe you have a select box w/a bunch of options
and then one marked "other". If the "other" option is highlighted, then a
text field value is required. qForms has a mechanism for handling this with
something called dependencies. To write that logic, all I need to do is type
one line of code:

oForm.otherText.createDependencyTo("selectOption", "other");

That line of code says that if the "selectOption" element is equal to other,
than the "otherText" field is now required. If it's any other value, the
field is optional.

> I advocate server side validation as well.  On the off chance that the

You absolutely need server-side validation. Server-side validation is the
only type of validation you have control over. There are too many ways to
bypass client-side validation.

However, this doesn't take away from the importance and value of client-side
validation. This is why I wrote qForms--to provide a powerful, flexible way
to write client-side validation that didn't take a lot of time to write.

Generally speaking, you should be able to add validation to a form in
minutes--and some even really complex validation at that. 

Also, it's important to remember that qForms is much more than just a
client-side validation library--it's main function is to be a full API to
allow you to add the RIA environment to the classic browser.

qForms has all the tools you need to build really complex RIA type
applications--without needing to learn other skillsets or leverage plug-ins.

-Dan

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Re: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
In particular, see here:  http://www.pengoworks.com/qforms/docs/faq.htm



- Original Message - 
From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Ok that's interesting, but then won't the user get back an error message
> saying:
> Please fill in TextInput1?
>
> If the name of the form field is fname20...I don't necessarily want the
> user to see :Please fill in fname20.
> I'd prefer them to see :Please provide a name.
>
> How would you do that...for say 5 fields?
>
> -Gel
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire
> block of code needed to reproduce your example template:
>
>   language="JavaScript"> 
> 
>
>
> 
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qForms (was Re: CFForm madness. 0_0)

2003-07-22 Thread Charlie Griefer
Hi Dan:

I think my 'reluctance' to look at qForms is because...well, frankly I enjoy
writing js.  I'm hesitant to give up that 'control' as it were.

I will look at it tho...if for no other reason that simple curiosity.  I
think it's pretty amazing that, as I said below, I've never heard anything
but rave reviews of it.  I don't believe I've ever heard anybody say they
don't like it...or even anybody who says they could take it or leave it.
Everybody I know who's used it absolutely LOVES it.  So there's gotta be
something there :)

I appreciate your response.  I'm responding publically only because there
may be others who feel the same way I do ("if i can write js, why do i need
qForms"), who may find this interesting.

thanks :)
charlie

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan G. Switzer, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: CFForm madness. 0_0


> Charlie,
>
> > If you don't want to dive right into the Qforms API, i put a short
> > 'tutorial' online to show some js form field validation (a couple that I
> > don't believe can be accomplished thru cfform...but i could be wrong
> > there).
> >
> > It's at http://charlie.griefer.com/js_validation.html  (view source).
> >
> > As far as Qforms...I've not used it myself, but I have yet to hear
> > anything
> > but rave reviews from people who have.
>
> To give you an idea how easy qForms is to implement, here's the entire
block
> of code needed to reproduce your example template:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> Most of the code you can store in a snippet--since the odds are it doesn't
> change much (maybe the path to the qForms will from project to project,
but
> on a single site, you always point to the same location so that you get
the
> benefit of the code being cached.)
>
> Since qForms treats all forms alike--i.e. the getValue() method will
return
> the value for a radio, checkbox, select, text, hidden, textbox, etc
element,
> all you need to do is mark a field required and qForms handles the rest
for
> you.
>
> -Dan
>
> 
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RE: CFForm madness. 0_0

2003-07-22 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
> Ok that's interesting, but then won't the user get back an error message
> saying:
> Please fill in TextInput1?

Yes, but to change that, give it a useful description:

oForm.textInput1.description = "first name";

Now instead of saying "textInput1", it'll place "first name" into the error
message.

> If the name of the form field is fname20...I don't necessarily want the
> user to see :Please fill in fname20.
> I'd prefer them to see :Please provide a name.
> 
> How would you do that...for say 5 fields?

See above...

- Dan
 ... 
: Name:   Dan G. Switzer, II:
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RE: Posting data via SSL - help please

2003-07-22 Thread Brook Davies
Are you behind a firewall? Does it allow outgoing connections on port 
433/http?

Brook

At 11:03 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Bud,
>
>I've installed the JSSE (Java Secure Socket Extension) and am running the
>Java SDK 1.4.2, which I thought contained all the JSSE stuff in it. Before I
>was trying JRE 1.4x and was getting different errors.
>
>Here's my setup.
>CFMX Updater 3 running standalone WWW server. Local machine, COLDFUSION MX
>SERVER TRIAL EDITION
>
>Java -
>C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2
>C:\jsse1.0.3_02
>
>CFX Tags
>Tag Name - CFX_RawSocket
>Class Name - CFX_RawSocket
>CFX_RawSocket.class is located in C:\CFusionMX\CustomTags
>
>CFMX Admin Settings
>JVM - C:/CFusionMX/runtime/jre
>Class Path - C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2,C:\CFusionMX\CustomTags,
>
>
>#
># List of providers and their preference orders (see above):
>#
>security.provider.1=sun.security.provider.Sun
>security.provider.2=com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.Provider
>
>C:\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2\lib\security\cacerts is the only "cacerts"
>file on my system.
>
>In IIS I have Require SSL for authoring checked (Server Extensions tab in
>Deafult Web Site Properties)
>
>Attached are the files I'm working with
>
>BOW00715.csv is the file I'm trying to upload
>recievecsv.cfm is the CF file that does the upload.
>
>The URL to the vendor is https://www.interceptcorporation.com
>Username is IC TEST2
>Password is 60Q2302T
>(Both are testing values)
>
>What I just don't understand is why it works when using a regular html FORM
>and INPUT tags, but doesn't when using CFHTTP/CFHTTPPARAM or RawSocket.
>
>I really appreciate your help. Thank you,
>
>James
>
>I believe you have to have JRE 1.2 and the Secure Socket Extension
>installed to use SSL with cfx_rawsocket. I've used it with SSL with
>no problem. Same goes with CFHTTP. I use it to do SSL posts all the
>time. I'm not sure about uploading a file though. I'm pretty sure you
>can't specify the enctype in cfhttp.
>
>Do you have a test login you can share and a sample upload file?
>Can't promise anything but I can play around for a bit and see what
>happens. :)
>--
>
>Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations, Inc.
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DevNet Subscription Q's

2003-07-22 Thread Charlie Griefer
Hey all...

I'm currently researching the pros/cons of the DevNet (Professional)
subscriptions.

Wondered if any current subscribers can offer some feedback.

I'm looking on MM's site at the comparison matrix...and the 'cost savings'
table.

MM shows the cost of items purchased individually, versus the total cost of
the DevNet subscription
(http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/value.html).

Question #1:  $479 for Development-Only Server Software? Where does $479
come in?  I don't really see any value in including the server software as
part of DevNet.  Aren't developers versions free?  Limited to one external
IP and all that...but still...free?

Question #2:  DevNet Professional ofers 'two complimentary incidents per
subscription term and access to an exclusive subscriber hotline providing
priority access to Technical Support'.
(http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/levelsfeatures.html#professi
onal)

Now, according to http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/bronze.html,
the Bronze support package (which we were considering purchasing for CF
Server support) would cost $2000 for 5 tech support incidents.  If we
purchase 3 DevNet Professional subscriptions @ $599 each (upgrades from our
current Studio MX licenses)...well, that gives us the DevNet content and 6
incidents...which pretty much makes it a no-brainer.  Am I misunderstanding
something...or is this in fact the same level of tech support/incidents
offered in the various support packages?

I'll be e-mailing MM directly asking them the same questions...but I thought
getting some feedback from the community (and certainly from current
subscribers) would be more valuable.  I need to present my boss with a
breakdown of advantages/disadvantages of DevNet Pro subscriptions, so I'd
appreciate any feedback you're willing to throw my way.

Thanks!
charlie

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RE: qForms (was Re: CFForm madness. 0_0)

2003-07-22 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Charlie,

> I think my 'reluctance' to look at qForms is because...well, frankly I
> enjoy
> writing js.  I'm hesitant to give up that 'control' as it were.

I don't look at it is giving up control--I think that's the cool part about
it. The way I view it, is it gives a solid footprint in which to build off
of.

While for most people, qForms probably does everything they need it to
do--but obviously there are times when you want to do more. That's when
customizing the API (overriding default methods or simply adding new
methods) comes in handy.

Since you enjoy writing JS, you'll know doubt know that there are
frustrations with it to. For example, a client decided they want a select
element to handle certain functionality, so you wrote your JS around
interacting w/a select box. 

Well, now they call you up and want it changed to a series of radio buttons.
Instead of this taking you like a minute to do, you've got to re-write your
JS to handling dealing w/radio buttons. Even if you already have code in
place to handle radio buttons, you're probably still going to have to make
changes.

However, w/qForms the odds are you don't have to make changes to your code
at all! You just need to change the elements. If you've stuck to using the
getValue() and setValue() methods for any of the custom hooks you've
written, your functions don't have to change. You use the same code.

I see this as a huge gain. 

> I will look at it tho...if for no other reason that simple curiosity.  I
> think it's pretty amazing that, as I said below, I've never heard anything
> but rave reviews of it.  I don't believe I've ever heard anybody say they
> don't like it...or even anybody who says they could take it or leave it.
> Everybody I know who's used it absolutely LOVES it.  So there's gotta be
> something there :)

Glad to hear the word on the street is a good one. :) I'm actually working
on v2--which will be much more flexible and expandable.

> I appreciate your response.  I'm responding publically only because there
> may be others who feel the same way I do ("if i can write js, why do i
> need
> qForms"), who may find this interesting.

I you'll find qForms doesn't diminish what you're doing w/JS, it just makes
what you're trying to do easier. I still write a ton of custom JS hooks into
my application, but the amount of code I write is considerable less now. 

I can now focus on defining behavior and improving the UI, instead of
spending time re-creating code/procedures I've done in the past.

-Dan

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Re: cffile (action=read)

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
Searched MM CF exchange and cflib, no dice on either. Anyone have anything
in mind?

Thanks,

Mike


- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: cffile (action=read)


> I reckon those are word control characters, I may have seen a tag to
> strip all those out somewhere or even a regex that removes everything
> other than std ascii might be a possibility.
>
> Bear in mind that you can't totally remove all those chars if you want
> the document to keeps its formatting etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 July 2003 15:45
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: cffile (action=read)
>
>
> Hello.
>
> I am uploading a file to the server and then reading its contents into a
> variable called docText. The file uploaded is a Word file but could be a
> text or html document as well. Anyways, if I do
>
> Len(docText) I get about 90,000 or so for this particular document. When
> I output docText
>
> #docText#
>
> I get a few strange characters:  ÐÏࡱá
>
> Is there anyway to output this text so that it is readable? I do not
> need to display it actually, I need to be able to parse it which seems
> to work just fine on MX, but I am on CF 5 and it does not. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> 
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RE: DevNet Subscription Q's

2003-07-22 Thread Dave Watts
> Question #1:  $479 for Development-Only Server Software? 
> Where does $479 come in? I don't really see any value in 
> including the server software as part of DevNet. Aren't 
> developers versions free? Limited to one external IP and 
> all that...but still...free? 

The single-user developer version is fine, if you're the only developer. For
most projects nowadays, you'll need to have multiple developers working from
a single server, and DevNet takes care of that very inexpensively.

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CFMX Exam

2003-07-22 Thread Rodney Stanford
I can't remember where I got this idea, but I think the exam is actually different 
each time you take it anyway.  If that is actually true, that there is a pool of 
questions from which each specuific exam is constructed, I wouldn't think it would be 
too difficult for the exam to be updated if there are things that change.
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Re: CFMX Exam

2003-07-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
I posted the original question and since then have found at that in fact the
exam does not change in terms of changing to reflect any changes in the CFMX
functionality (i.e. Red Sky) if functionality was to change.

You are correct however in that the exam questions are different from exam
to exam; which only makes sense :-)

Mike


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From: "Rodney Stanford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: CFMX Exam


> I can't remember where I got this idea, but I think the exam is actually
different each time you take it anyway.  If that is actually true, that
there is a pool of questions from which each specuific exam is constructed,
I wouldn't think it would be too difficult for the exam to be updated if
there are things that change.
> 
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Re: qForms (was Re: CFForm madness. 0_0)

2003-07-22 Thread jon hall
This describes my attitude as well, and to segue a bit, how do you
feel about Flash/Actionscript?
On the surface...I keep thinking to myself that I should love
Actionscript, it's really all that Javascript wants to be, but I keep
getting frustrated with it.

I think it comes down to two problems as I see it.
- The Flash Object Modelwtf is it? Try searching Google for "flash
object model"...it doesn't exist, or if it does, it's very hidden. The
glimpses that one can glean from the Flash editor don't seem to
indicate there is a coherent object model. I could be way off though,
as I haven't had a chance to get past the first couple chapters in my
flash books yet. The lack of documentation anywhere is not encouraging though.

- It's extremely difficult to debug...the Flash debugger is very hard
to understand. I don't even know where to start. How about a line
number where the problem is? A visual notification that there is a
problem with the Actionscript would be nice...There is nothing near
like Venkman, Mozilla's js debugger. Not to mention the DOM inspector.

I don't mean this to be a negative commentary (there are a lot of good
things about flash too) on Flash...I'm sincerely interested in what
people think. Especially people who like javascript already.

Back on topic...imo qForms, like Fusebox, makes more sense in a team
environment. One guy hacking it, is probably going to be more efficient
with his own stuff.

-- 
 jon
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Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 11:18:29 AM, you wrote:
CG> Hi Dan:

CG> I think my 'reluctance' to look at qForms is because...well, frankly I enjoy
CG> writing js.  I'm hesitant to give up that 'control' as it were.


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ot: dba sql question

2003-07-22 Thread Tony Weeg
whats the general feeling that most dba's have on this question/practice

I have a mature db, one with 15 million + rows.  we have to add a
column, is
that a bad idea? is that something that can cause data in pages to be
more
scattered?  how does that adding of a column adversely affect it?  does
it
adversely affect it? just wondering because we are debating wether or
not
to use 1 column with a binary string for holding bit flags, or a series
of columns
that are tinyInt that are 1 or 0.  we know the database may change
(Adding columns
in the future) and are just trying to prepare.

thanks!

tony

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cffile delete problem

2003-07-22 Thread Tim Do
Hello All,
 
I have an exe that I'm executing through a stored procedure... what it
basically does is runs winzip and explodes two data files.  After the exe is
run, I do my processing and then I want to delete the data files.  Whats
happening is that its taking a while for winzip to exit or something because
when I try to delete it using cffile it errors for about a minute then It
will delete it (file path is invalid or access is denied).  Any ideas on how
to delete the files right after my processing?
 
Thanks!
Tim
 
 
 

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