RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Micha Schopman]

Sean,

Do you happen to know if there are any articles planned about this
subject on the developers part of the Macromedia website :)

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-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 8:02
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is
released)

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:46:33 -0400, Ryan Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version
of CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which
has Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling out for
CFMX software for the server?

When you package up an application with the CF runtime, you can enter
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WAR file will be a developer edition.
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Simon Horwith]

I don't know what's going on the Macromedia site for sure, but I know 
we're running several articles about this in CFDJ.  I'm also pretty 
confident that Macromedia is planning to run an article(s) about it on 
DevNet as well.

~Simon

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Micha Schopman wrote:

>Sean,
>
>Do you happen to know if there are any articles planned about this
>subject on the developers part of the Macromedia website :)
>
>Micha Schopman
>Software Engineer
>
>Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort
>Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
>KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
>
>
>
>-
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>de interactie met uw doelgroep. 
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>
>
>-
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 8:02
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is
>released)
>
>On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:46:33 -0400, Ryan Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version
>>
>>
>of CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which
>has Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling out for
>CFMX software for the server?
>
>When you package up an application with the CF runtime, you can enter
>a serial number. If you do not enter a serial number, the resulting
>WAR file will be a developer edition.
>  
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:01:48 +0100, Micha Schopman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you happen to know if there are any articles planned about this
> subject on the developers part of the Macromedia website :)

No idea - but anyone is welcome to submit articles for the Developer Center!
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RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

i dont see how u can type more code (php) in same amount of time? 

 the thing i find with most php users is that they are really misinformed (or i 
could be)

 for example (this happenes so often that its almost comical)
 this weeks project im building a fashion site that will be flash w/remoting 
and too speed it up we decided to maybe hire a graphic desiner to help out.
 but of course he wants to build it "dynamically" meaning pulling swf's in and 
so i laugh :) anyways he says, well maybe with php i can do this and u dont 
need him (me) which wasnt a good move but anyway, so i say well it will be 
"dynamic" with coldfusion & flash remoting and he comes back with "how can she 
afford all thats, its so expensive?"
 umm, thats be lets see a shared host with cfm, remoting $11.13 month, so after 
explaining it all to him (and since most php dev'rs seem to think they gotta 
pay for cfm to dev on) and he says well in art school they tell u that 
coldfusion is really expensive.
 maybe MM should work on that area:)

 and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building enterprise apps 
and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use coldfusion, they just 
dont know its just as free in that case.
 and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to work with 
remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be clear, they are 
using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern.

 some of u forget that not everyone is building enterprise apps, personally, 
i'll take the small ones, in & out in a few days and make more cash without 
getting burned out


From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:42 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown 

He made a well argumented comment, don't shoot him immediately for it.
Management here said exactly the same as he did :)

What he meant is that competition in that part of the market is so high,
it is virtually impossible to compete. Besides the .NET shares, the PHP
share in the lower end market is really high. PHP started as a simple
language, but evolved into a stable and robust language with the same
capabilities as it's competitors. 

And once you have worked with PHP the unique selling point of ColdFusion
"development speed" doesn't matter, because you can develop as fast in
PHP as in ColdFusion :) What will matter, is the level of functionality
you can give developers to compete with. Featuresets of competitors are
pretty huge these days, and ColdFusion has some things others don't
have, but the same thing counts for those competitors.

You might ask yourself the question, what am I going to respond to a
customer saying "Why would I pay for ColdFusion if I can get A, B, or C
for free?". Only in specific cases you can throw it on ColdFusion
specific functionality, but even then boxing up against free publicity
marketed languages is very hard for an Account Manager.

Just to clear things up :) I know this issue pops up regularly, but it
isn't something you have to put away beneath the soil. I think it needs
attention, but that attention is expensive, and requires strong product
strategy. :)

Micha Schopman
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 18:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

Matt Wisdom wrote:
> 
>
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editio
ns/
> 
> It's quite clear from the breakdown of features that MM has written
off the
> "standard" edition market. 

I think you should read EVERYTHING on that page, particular the 
paragraph about Standard before making a ridiculous statement like that:

"ColdFusion MX 7 Standard is the solution for delivering a powerful 
website or application on a single server. It features all the RAD 
development capabilities of ColdFusion, powerful new features such as 
PDF and FlashPaper document generation, rich flash forms, structured 
business reporting, and more-all in an easy-to-manage configuration that

is ideal for small to medium-sized businesses."

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Session is Invalid

[Stavros Tekes]

Hi all,
I have read the msgs on this forums regarding session invalid errors on CF. 

I also have done what MM proposes on the issue (at 
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19109) but I 
keep getting this message. I have set the J2EE session timeout to be 60 minutes 
and the CF session variables to 30. Despite that, the error keeps appearing. 

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Micha Schopman]

Sean,

Where should we apply ;), ... I'd personally have some ideas about
articles. It used to be Amy Wong.

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-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 9:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is
released)

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:01:48 +0100, Micha Schopman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you happen to know if there are any articles planned about this
> subject on the developers part of the Macromedia website :)

No idea - but anyone is welcome to submit articles for the Developer
Center!
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Dick Applebaum]

On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:46:33 -0400, Ryan Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version 
>> of CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server 
>> which has Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling 
>> out for CFMX software for the server?
>
> When you package up an application with the CF runtime, you can enter
> a serial number. If you do not enter a serial number, the resulting
> WAR file will be a developer edition.
>

Sean

Are you sure about this?

I have been told, maybe lead to believe is more like it, that you can't 
redistro CFMX without a license agreement (fee implied).

If what you say is true, than one can package & redistro a 
single-user-plus 2, full-feature,  Enterprise, CF Runtime (j2ee 
version).

That is exactly what we do with CFEverywhere apps-- redistro a CF 
runtime (BDJ2ee in our case) with Jetty and Derby.

CFMX7 runs fine in this environment, with the exception that it won't 
run from CD (CFMX7 does a write of the license.properties file at 
startup).

Also, your earlier posts indicate that the deployment can include CFML 
source and/or the user can add CFML source of his own.

I'd like clarification on these 2 points (redisrto andsource), as it 
could give developers another option when creating CFEverywhere apps,

Anyone?

TIA

Dick


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Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Dick Applebaum]

On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote:

>  and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building 
> enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use 
> coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case.
>  and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to 
> work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be 
> clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern.


Whoa!

1) Most of them use shared hosting!

2) If they are using shared hosting, the "free" advantage of LAMP goes 
away (except to the provider)!

3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site 
using CF!

4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ 
savings of CF.

5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free.

Point made, End of discussion!

I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together!

I have recently participated in a "Programming Languages" discussion on 
the Apple OS X web forums.  Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. 
  I proposed CFML as an alternative.  Several people agreed with me, but 
the majority tried to shout us down.  The reasons usually included: 
functional capability, performance and cost.

I would counter that the "cost" of CF is negligible compared to the 
other costs, and leave it at that.

But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has 
to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is "CF 
is too expensive", end of discussion.

I need to listen better.

Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs 
(Programming Language Pissing Contests).  And to the CF community in 
general:  we need to get the message out that:  It cost the same 
(prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.

Dick

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CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Dick Applebaum]

I am reposting this to change the subject line.

On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote:

>  and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building 
> enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use 
> coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case.
>  and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to 
> work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be 
> clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern.


Whoa!

1) Most of them use shared hosting!

2) If they are using shared hosting, the "free" advantage of LAMP goes 
away (except to the provider)!

3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site 
using CF!

4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ 
savings of CF.

5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free.

Point made, End of discussion!

I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together!

I have recently participated in a "Programming Languages" discussion on 
the Apple OS X web forums.  Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. 
  I proposed CFML as an alternative.  Several people agreed with me, but 
the majority tried to shout us down.  The reasons usually included: 
functional capability, performance and cost.

I would counter that the "cost" of CF is negligible compared to the 
other costs, and leave it at that.

But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has 
to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is "CF 
is too expensive", end of discussion.

I need to listen better.

Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs 
(Programming Language Pissing Contests).  And to the CF community in 
general:  we need to get the message out that:  It cost the same 
(prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.

Dick


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re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[dave]

no prob dick :)

 man im always in those "discussions" haha, so i stand up 4 what i believe in, 
nothing wrong with that.
 this same discussion is why dave watts got so mad at me (on the figleaf flash 
list), sorry bout that dave!
 but they were trying to get all the newbies onto php and using amfphp which 
was dead at the time and they are trying to get all these hacks to work and im 
like damn just use coldfusion and not worry bout it and they go off bout how MM 
really is gunna get u too use it then slap u with this huge bill! not to 
mention i asked my host if they have amfphp on their servers and i got a 
resounding "there is no chance in hell that crap is going on our servers"
 if MM were to at the top of the coldfusion pages put a big FREE sign, they 
would go lol, i guess they are too busy writing all that extra php code too 
actually read down to were it actually says that the dev version is free and i 
guess they cant figure out that the host carries the cost not them. 

 i understand a lot of you, if not a majority work at shops that run their own 
servers but i dont and some of u think im stupid i know but hey at least i 
checked it out enough to make an educated guess or i'd be another php hacker. 
This is were i personally think MM drops the ball(not getting these ppl the 
message) but i also understand the chance at revenue is smaller. However, those 
ppl carry weight and things happen and word gets around and suddenly there is 
revenue, a lot of small voices can create quite a racket!

 bottom line is that these ppl just dont know!
 even .net will is pushing cfm over .net in his school and thats were it should 
be as well. One class puts what 20-30 ppl into the world, even if they are in 
graphics they learn something, usually php. A lot of these graphics ppl then 
work with flash and if they only knew how to make a simple cfc, think what they 
could suddenly do
 the balls rolling, getting bigger.. isnt that basically how php got so 
popular? just like that graphics guy i referenced in last post, i bet i could 
sit him down and show him a cfc and the remoting connections, he learned flash 
and as. in school so know he can remote.

 MM hire me and i will crusade!! haha

 some of them even say the hosting cost is outrages
 i got a great host (host my site) and i think most all my clients end up 
paying around $11 a month for cfmx on LINUX of course ;) , i would say that 
isnt to bad at all!

 the other thing is that most of those ppl dont realize the benefits of the 
underlying java code of cfml now, funny thing is they still spew that cfm is 
nuthing more than a tag runner, i dont know what the hell they think php is?

 ~ we need to get the message out that: It cost the same 
 (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.~
 EXACTLY!!

 plus as mossimo used to say "coldfusion just sounds sexier" :)


From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:30 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature 
breakdown 

I am reposting this to change the subject line.

On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote:

> and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building 
> enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use 
> coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case.
> and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to 
> work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be 
> clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern.

Whoa!

1) Most of them use shared hosting!

2) If they are using shared hosting, the "free" advantage of LAMP goes 
away (except to the provider)!

3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site 
using CF!

4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ 
savings of CF.

5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free.

Point made, End of discussion!

I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together!

I have recently participated in a "Programming Languages" discussion on 
the Apple OS X web forums. Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. 
 I proposed CFML as an alternative. Several people agreed with me, but 
the majority tried to shout us down. The reasons usually included: 
functional capability, performance and cost.

I would counter that the "cost" of CF is negligible compared to the 
other costs, and leave it at that.

But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has 
to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is "CF 
is too expensive", end of discussion.

I need to listen better.

Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs 
(Programming Language Pissing Contests). And to the CF community in 
general: we need to get the message out that: It cost the same 
(prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.

Dick

RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Micha Schopman]

You're messages are really difficult to read :P

The reason why PHP became so popular is a combination of reasons, like 
freeware, C like syntax, MySQL combination, high performance, and the ease of 
use.

Btw, have you ever developed large applications in PHP. There really is no big 
difference in development time. The most time spend in applications isn't at 
code level.

Micha Schopman
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 11:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature 
breakdown

no prob dick :)

 man im always in those "discussions" haha, so i stand up 4 what i believe in, 
nothing wrong with that.
 this same discussion is why dave watts got so mad at me (on the figleaf flash 
list), sorry bout that dave!
 but they were trying to get all the newbies onto php and using amfphp which 
was dead at the time and they are trying to get all these hacks to work and im 
like damn just use coldfusion and not worry bout it and they go off bout how MM 
really is gunna get u too use it then slap u with this huge bill! not to 
mention i asked my host if they have amfphp on their servers and i got a 
resounding "there is no chance in hell that crap is going on our servers"
 if MM were to at the top of the coldfusion pages put a big FREE sign, they 
would go lol, i guess they are too busy writing all that extra php code too 
actually read down to were it actually says that the dev version is free and i 
guess they cant figure out that the host carries the cost not them. 

 i understand a lot of you, if not a majority work at shops that run their own 
servers but i dont and some of u think im stupid i know but hey at least i 
checked it out enough to make an educated guess or i'd be another php hacker. 
This is were i personally think MM drops the ball(not getting these ppl the 
message) but i also understand the chance at revenue is smaller. However, those 
ppl carry weight and things happen and word gets around and suddenly there is 
revenue, a lot of small voices can create quite a racket!

 bottom line is that these ppl just dont know!
 even .net will is pushing cfm over .net in his school and thats were it should 
be as well. One class puts what 20-30 ppl into the world, even if they are in 
graphics they learn something, usually php. A lot of these graphics ppl then 
work with flash and if they only knew how to make a simple cfc, think what they 
could suddenly do
 the balls rolling, getting bigger.. isnt that basically how php got so 
popular? just like that graphics guy i referenced in last post, i bet i could 
sit him down and show him a cfc and the remoting connections, he learned flash 
and as. in school so know he can remote.

 MM hire me and i will crusade!! haha

 some of them even say the hosting cost is outrages
 i got a great host (host my site) and i think most all my clients end up 
paying around $11 a month for cfmx on LINUX of course ;) , i would say that 
isnt to bad at all!

 the other thing is that most of those ppl dont realize the benefits of the 
underlying java code of cfml now, funny thing is they still spew that cfm is 
nuthing more than a tag runner, i dont know what the hell they think php is?

 ~ we need to get the message out that: It cost the same 
 (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.~
 EXACTLY!!

 plus as mossimo used to say "coldfusion just sounds sexier" :)


From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:30 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature 
breakdown 

I am reposting this to change the subject line.

On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote:

> and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building 
> enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use 
> coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case.
> and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to 
> work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be 
> clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern.

Whoa!

1) Most of them use shared hosting!

2) If they are using shared hosting, the "free" advantage of LAMP goes 
away (except to the provider)!

3) A

Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Will Tomlinson]

 
> even .net will is pushing cfm over .net in his school and thats were 
> it should be as well. One class puts what 20-30 ppl into the world, 
> even if they are in graphics they learn something, usually php. 

Exactly! And I'll be giving another lecture on shopping carts and how they 
work. What will I use for my examples? CF! Every damn time cause there ain't 
nuthin easier to illustrate how a website works, simply and efficiently! 

Could you imagine running these students through php, or .net code for your 
examples? 

LOL  Their brains would fry! 

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Ben, I need new CF books!

[Will Tomlinson]

I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves. Yeah 
I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I enjoy 
reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the throne 
early in the morn. 

When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!! (HA HA!)

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RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Calvin Ward]

Yea, my eyes have problems with the lack of capitalization, and I feel like
I'm reading the lyrics from an 80's Prince album...

Sorry for the interjection :P

- Calvin

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From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature
breakdown

You're messages are really difficult to read :P

The reason why PHP became so popular is a combination of reasons, like
freeware, C like syntax, MySQL combination, high performance, and the ease
of use.

Btw, have you ever developed large applications in PHP. There really is no
big difference in development time. The most time spend in applications
isn't at code level.

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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 11:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature
breakdown

no prob dick :)

 man im always in those "discussions" haha, so i stand up 4 what i believe
in, nothing wrong with that.
 this same discussion is why dave watts got so mad at me (on the figleaf
flash list), sorry bout that dave!
 but they were trying to get all the newbies onto php and using amfphp which
was dead at the time and they are trying to get all these hacks to work and
im like damn just use coldfusion and not worry bout it and they go off bout
how MM really is gunna get u too use it then slap u with this huge bill! not
to mention i asked my host if they have amfphp on their servers and i got a
resounding "there is no chance in hell that crap is going on our servers"
 if MM were to at the top of the coldfusion pages put a big FREE sign, they
would go lol, i guess they are too busy writing all that extra php code too
actually read down to were it actually says that the dev version is free and
i guess they cant figure out that the host carries the cost not them. 

 i understand a lot of you, if not a majority work at shops that run their
own servers but i dont and some of u think im stupid i know but hey at least
i checked it out enough to make an educated guess or i'd be another php
hacker. This is were i personally think MM drops the ball(not getting these
ppl the message) but i also understand the chance at revenue is smaller.
However, those ppl carry weight and things happen and word gets around and
suddenly there is revenue, a lot of small voices can create quite a racket!

 bottom line is that these ppl just dont know!
 even .net will is pushing cfm over .net in his school and thats were it
should be as well. One class puts what 20-30 ppl into the world, even if
they are in graphics they learn something, usually php. A lot of these
graphics ppl then work with flash and if they only knew how to make a simple
cfc, think what they could suddenly do
 the balls rolling, getting bigger.. isnt that basically how php got so
popular? just like that graphics guy i referenced in last post, i bet i
could sit him down and show him a cfc and the remoting connections, he
learned flash and as. in school so know he can remote.

 MM hire me and i will crusade!! haha

 some of them even say the hosting cost is outrages
 i got a great host (host my site) and i think most all my clients end up
paying around $11 a month for cfmx on LINUX of course ;) , i would say that
isnt to bad at all!

 the other thing is that most of those ppl dont realize the benefits of the
underlying java code of cfml now, funny thing is they still spew that cfm is
nuthing more than a tag runner, i dont know what the hell they think php is?

 ~ we need to get the message out that: It cost the same 
 (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF.~
 EXACTLY!!

 plus as mossimo used to say "coldfusion just sounds sexier" :)


From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:30 AM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature
breakdown 

I am reposting this to change the subject line.

On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote:

> and just to be clear, i'd say a most  php users arent building 
> enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use 
> coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case.
> and its

Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Will Tomlinson]

It was tough for me to read as well, but you get used to it after a 
while...maybe a few years

:)

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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Calvin Ward]

Although that's a bit overkill!

I wish RDS could integrate into user security (LDAP, database, etc.) in some
fashion.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

> > > Does MX 7 fix the RDS security issue, whereby RDS users on MX
> > > 6 servers could not be sandboxed?
> > 
> > No, I don't think so.
> 
> Rats.
> 
> Thank you, though.

You can, of course, run multiple instances of CFMX 7 on J2EE and each
instance will have its own RDS.

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Calvin Ward]

One thing to note is that CF Developer edition has watermarked reports and
possibly cfdocument files. This of course removes some features from the
below scenario.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:46:33 -0400, Ryan Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version 
>> of CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server 
>> which has Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling 
>> out for CFMX software for the server?
>
> When you package up an application with the CF runtime, you can enter
> a serial number. If you do not enter a serial number, the resulting
> WAR file will be a developer edition.
>

Sean

Are you sure about this?

I have been told, maybe lead to believe is more like it, that you can't 
redistro CFMX without a license agreement (fee implied).

If what you say is true, than one can package & redistro a 
single-user-plus 2, full-feature,  Enterprise, CF Runtime (j2ee 
version).

That is exactly what we do with CFEverywhere apps-- redistro a CF 
runtime (BDJ2ee in our case) with Jetty and Derby.

CFMX7 runs fine in this environment, with the exception that it won't 
run from CD (CFMX7 does a write of the license.properties file at 
startup).

Also, your earlier posts indicate that the deployment can include CFML 
source and/or the user can add CFML source of his own.

I'd like clarification on these 2 points (redisrto andsource), as it 
could give developers another option when creating CFEverywhere apps,

Anyone?

TIA

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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[James Holmes]

That depends on who one is sandboxing from whom. A new instance means that:
Admin changes that require a restart don't drop everyone's server; code that
takes out the JVM or crashes CF only does it for one instance; CF Admin can
be devolved to different people for each instance; RDS can be given to one
group of people, exposing only the datasources in that instance, etc etc.

The security model in CF5 did tie in with LDAP and other mechanisms - people
found it too difficult to manage.

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 7:43 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

Although that's a bit overkill!

I wish RDS could integrate into user security (LDAP, database, etc.) in some
fashion.

- Calvin

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RE: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances

[Michael T. Tangorre]

I would but what is the default username and password for the JMC?
I tried using the cf admin and rds password asked for during the
installation... I was never asked for JMC username nor password.

Mike


> From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances
> 
> Use the JMC (admin server) to set the document root for the Macromedia
> ColdFusion MX web application to the desired path.
> 
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:48:56 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I installed the final release of CFMX 7 using the "Multiserver
> > Configuration". This is what we will be doing at work once 
> we upgrade so I
> > need to familiarize myself with how it all works. Anway, 
> the install went
> > very smoothly. I have 3 instances running that correspond 
> to sites I have on
> > my dev box: siteA, siteB, siteC. Now, if the webroot for my 
> default IIS
> > website is G:\ which is where all my apps are stored and I 
> created the
> > instances of the CF servers under C:\JRun4\servers, how do 
> I point the
> > server to look at an app on G:\?
> > 
> > For instance:
> > 
> > C:\JRun4\servers\cfcoder
> > G:\cfcoder
> >
> 
> 

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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Calvin Ward]

I found CF 5 sandbox security difficult to manage, however that doesn't mean
the user interaction couldn't be made more accessible without eliminating a
very useful feature.

Something about baby and bathwater comes to mind.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

That depends on who one is sandboxing from whom. A new instance means that:
Admin changes that require a restart don't drop everyone's server; code that
takes out the JVM or crashes CF only does it for one instance; CF Admin can
be devolved to different people for each instance; RDS can be given to one
group of people, exposing only the datasources in that instance, etc etc.

The security model in CF5 did tie in with LDAP and other mechanisms - people
found it too difficult to manage.

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 7:43 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

Although that's a bit overkill!

I wish RDS could integrate into user security (LDAP, database, etc.) in some
fashion.

- Calvin



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Re: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances

[Andy Allan]

If i remember correctly it's

u: admin
p: CFAdmin password

Andy


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:50:07 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would but what is the default username and password for the JMC?
> I tried using the cf admin and rds password asked for during the
> installation... I was never asked for JMC username nor password.
> 
> Mike
> 
> > From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:05 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances
> >
> > Use the JMC (admin server) to set the document root for the Macromedia
> > ColdFusion MX web application to the desired path.
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:48:56 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I installed the final release of CFMX 7 using the "Multiserver
> > > Configuration". This is what we will be doing at work once
> > we upgrade so I
> > > need to familiarize myself with how it all works. Anway,
> > the install went
> > > very smoothly. I have 3 instances running that correspond
> > to sites I have on
> > > my dev box: siteA, siteB, siteC. Now, if the webroot for my
> > default IIS
> > > website is G:\ which is where all my apps are stored and I
> > created the
> > > instances of the CF servers under C:\JRun4\servers, how do
> > I point the
> > > server to look at an app on G:\?
> > >
> > > For instance:
> > >
> > > C:\JRun4\servers\cfcoder
> > > G:\cfcoder
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances

[Michael T. Tangorre]

No dice. I was searching through the docs and such and there is no mention
of it... weird.
 

> From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> If i remember correctly it's
> u: admin
> p: CFAdmin password

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would but what is the default username and password for the JMC?
> > I tried using the cf admin and rds password asked for during the
> > installation... I was never asked for JMC username nor password.



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RE: CFMX 7 - Multiple Instances

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Turns out the username is admin and the password is the same as the CFMX 7
administrator password.

> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> No dice. I was searching through the docs and such and there 
> is no mention
> of it... weird.
>  
> > From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > If i remember correctly it's
> > u: admin
> > p: CFAdmin password
> 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I would but what is the default username and password for the JMC?
> > > I tried using the cf admin and rds password asked for during the
> > > installation... I was never asked for JMC username nor password.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Dick Applebaum]

On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:25 AM, Will Tomlinson wrote:

>
> Exactly! And I'll be giving another lecture on shopping carts and how 
> they work. What will I use for my examples? CF! Every damn time cause 
> there ain't nuthin easier to illustrate how a website works, simply 
> and efficiently!
>
> Could you imagine running these students through php, or .net code for 
> your examples?
>
> LOL  Their brains would fry!
>
>

Oh... You mean there is an advantage to doing a preso or writing a 
program where others can read and understand the code without a lot of 
comments or explanation?

Seriously, "CF for presos" is another great argument!

Over the years (lotsa' years) I have written many 
papers/proposals/articles/documentation where I need to supply an 
example code snippet.  Never thought much about it, but it is a lot 
easier to illustrate and discuss the code when it is written in CF!  
(Now, APL... There was a real-man's programming language.  You could 
write an entire application in one long (very long) line of code. (At 
least that was the implied Challenge).  Only problem is that it used 
RPN, so you had to think backwards or inside-out.  And, by the time you 
got to the end of the line you forgot what you were doing :)

Another CF strong point is this:  It is very easy to slap together a 
prototype or a demo with CF.. Including creating/populating a database 
from a text file, an excel ss, or the customer's MS-Access db.  I've 
done this many times-- takes a few hours or days, but you show the 
customer his app using his data -- it is meaningful to him,  When you 
win the contract, you can often go back and flesh-out the prototype to 
implement the production solution.

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Re: How can I get the size in bytes/bits of something?

[Adam Haskell]

function sizeOf(var1){
return len(var1.getbytes());
}



That should do the trick... getbytes returns a byte array so the len
of it I think should give you the bytes in your string.

Adam H 

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:49:12 -0500, Jim Davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bettina Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 9:33 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: How can I get the size in bytes/bits of something?
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You're probably looking for the LEN() function, i.e. bytes=LEN(x)...
> 
> That's close... but in Java (and thus CFMX+) I believe that you should
> double that for "byte size" as Unicode character sets use two bytes per
> character.
> 
> Jim Davis
> 
> 
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RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown

[Micha Schopman]

" Could you imagine running these students through php, or .net code for

> your examples?"

Yes, ... with ease. I teach a varity of web languages. It really doesn't
make a big difference which language I choose, people get the basics of
all languages in almost the same amount of time.

I find a < b better to read than a GT b. As well as if(){}else
if(){}else{} than . 

It is just a matter of personal experience, and feeling with the syntax
of the language. It is not so strange a lot of CF folks like CFSCRIPT.
It is because the syntax is more C like.

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-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 13:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7
feature breakdown

On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:25 AM, Will Tomlinson wrote:

>
> Exactly! And I'll be giving another lecture on shopping carts and how 
> they work. What will I use for my examples? CF! Every damn time cause 
> there ain't nuthin easier to illustrate how a website works, simply 
> and efficiently!
>
> Could you imagine running these students through php, or .net code for

> your examples?
>
> LOL  Their brains would fry!
>
>

Oh... You mean there is an advantage to doing a preso or writing a 
program where others can read and understand the code without a lot of 
comments or explanation?

Seriously, "CF for presos" is another great argument!

Over the years (lotsa' years) I have written many 
papers/proposals/articles/documentation where I need to supply an 
example code snippet.  Never thought much about it, but it is a lot 
easier to illustrate and discuss the code when it is written in CF!  
(Now, APL... There was a real-man's programming language.  You could 
write an entire application in one long (very long) line of code. (At 
least that was the implied Challenge).  Only problem is that it used 
RPN, so you had to think backwards or inside-out.  And, by the time you 
got to the end of the line you forgot what you were doing :)

Another CF strong point is this:  It is very easy to slap together a 
prototype or a demo with CF.. Including creating/populating a database 
from a text file, an excel ss, or the customer's MS-Access db.  I've 
done this many times-- takes a few hours or days, but you show the 
customer his app using his data -- it is meaningful to him,  When you 
win the contract, you can often go back and flesh-out the prototype to 
implement the production solution.

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Ben Forta]

Not exactly, you can indeed develop on the no-cost developer edition and
build a deployment package. But you'll need a serial number on that deployed
version (or it'll time out after 30 days). Packaging changed, licensing has
not.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

>You can create a WAR or EAR file that contains your CF application and 
>everything necessary to run it and then just deploy the WAR/EAR to a 
>clean install of JRun, WebLogic, WebSphere, Tomcat etc that has never 
>seen ColdFusion.

Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version of
CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which has
Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling out for CFMX
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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Ben Forta]

Gee, thanks for the visuals! :-)

CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ben, I need new CF books! 

I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves.
Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the
throne early in the morn. 

When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!! (HA
HA!)

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Re: More on FCKEditor... Not good

[Rick Root]

Matt Robertson wrote:
> You've got something funky going on in-house.  It shouldn't do that.
> 

No doubt.  FCKeditor is just HTML and javascript, it can't do anything 
to the server, except make a lot of http requests (ie, when the editor 
loads, a it loads a bunch of image icons, javascripts, etc...

You've definately got something else going on.  Maybe it has something 
to do with your configuration, or your mapping.  I use fckEditor in just 
about every app I build, and it works great.

  - rick


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CF/JRun and PerfMon

[Martin Parry]

Gah  - Installed CF7 in a JRun configuration but I can't seem to find
how to enable performance monitoring via PERFMON or even CFSTAT

 

Help please !!

 

Martin Parry

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:$ )

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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Martin Parry]

Incidentally Ben I've found some typos while (as Will says - sat in bed
reading) going through Advanced MX development. Shall I post them to you
off list ?

Martin Parry
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 February 2005 13:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Gee, thanks for the visuals! :-)

CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ben, I need new CF books! 

I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the
shelves.
Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on
the
throne early in the morn. 

When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!!
(HA
HA!)

.net will





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Outsourced support to India?

[Rick Root]

I've heard that as of CF7, Macromedia has outsourced all support and 
engineering to India.

Any truth to this rumor?

  - Rick

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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Ben Forta]

Please do, thanks.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Incidentally Ben I've found some typos while (as Will says - sat in bed
reading) going through Advanced MX development. Shall I post them to you off
list ?

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 February 2005 13:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Gee, thanks for the visuals! :-)

CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ben, I need new CF books! 

I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves.
Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the
throne early in the morn. 

When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!!
(HA
HA!)

..net will







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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Calvin Ward]

Share them with all of us!

Just kidding :)

- Calvin

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From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Incidentally Ben I've found some typos while (as Will says - sat in bed
reading) going through Advanced MX development. Shall I post them to you
off list ?

Martin Parry
Macromedia Certified Developer
http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 February 2005 13:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Gee, thanks for the visuals! :-)

CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ben, I need new CF books! 

I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the
shelves.
Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on
the
throne early in the morn. 

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(HA
HA!)

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RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

[Calvin Ward]

It doesn't exist in that configuration, you'll want to use JRun logging to
get the information you need (see http://www.bpurcell.org/), and also
SeeFusion (http://www.seefusion.com/) is looking really sharp.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF/JRun and PerfMon

Gah  - Installed CF7 in a JRun configuration but I can't seem to find
how to enable performance monitoring via PERFMON or even CFSTAT

 

Help please !!

 

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:$ )

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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Martin Parry]

Oooh, you swine :p

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-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 February 2005 13:58
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Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

Share them with all of us!

Just kidding :)

- Calvin


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RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

[Martin Parry]

I bought a copy of SeeFusion the other week.. I just like having a
Perfmon for CF on my server desktop (pretty graphs 'n all).. Guess I'll
reinstall SeeFusion as I did a clean install of 7.

Cheers Calvin.

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Sent: 08 February 2005 13:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

It doesn't exist in that configuration, you'll want to use JRun logging
to
get the information you need (see http://www.bpurcell.org/), and also
SeeFusion (http://www.seefusion.com/) is looking really sharp.

- Calvin


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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Martin Parry]

I'll need to re-read the sections first.. Could take me some time :)

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Sent: 08 February 2005 13:57
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Please do, thanks.

--- Ben
 


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Embedded Cursors

[Ryan Scott]

I am trying to use a query that contains an embedded cursor and I am
getting the following
error

coldfusion.server.j2ee.sql.JRunCallableStatement.registerOutParameter(Ljava/lang/String;I)V

I am using the datadirect jdbc drivers.


dsService = CreateObject("java",
"coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory").DataSourceService;
 dsManager = dsService.getDman();
 l_datasource = dsManager.getDataSource('');
 conn = l_datasource.getConnection();
 OracleTypes = CreateObject("java", "oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleTypes");
String query  = "begin "&
"open ? for "&
"'select dname, CURSOR(select ename "&
"from emp "&
   "where emp.deptno=dept.deptno) "&
   "from dept'; "&
"end;";
cstmt = conn.prepareCall(query);
cstmt.registerOutParameter(1,OracleTypes.CURSOR);
cstmt.execute();
rset= cstmt.getObject(1);


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RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

[Calvin Ward]

I'd definitely let the SeeFusion folks know what you're looking for, not
sure if that's in their product path plan or not, but I do know they're
looking at doing more.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: Martin Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

I bought a copy of SeeFusion the other week.. I just like having a
Perfmon for CF on my server desktop (pretty graphs 'n all).. Guess I'll
reinstall SeeFusion as I did a clean install of 7.

Cheers Calvin.

Martin Parry
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From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 February 2005 13:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

It doesn't exist in that configuration, you'll want to use JRun logging
to
get the information you need (see http://www.bpurcell.org/), and also
SeeFusion (http://www.seefusion.com/) is looking really sharp.

- Calvin




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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Deanna Schneider]

And, um, where's the nice, neat, little printed Language Reference. :) Not 
to be a ludite, but I want the book, man!

>
> CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
> Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.
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Re: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Douglas Knudsen]

This doesn't segregate the RDS users though, eh?  If I have two
instances A and B, RDS users connecting to A still can access
everything on the server including instance B.

Dave, are you thinking instance A and B will run under two different
users?  In this case I suppose ACLs can be set to make this work.

Doug


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> > > > Does MX 7 fix the RDS security issue, whereby RDS users on MX
> > > > 6 servers could not be sandboxed?
> > >
> > > No, I don't think so.
> >
> > Rats.
> >
> > Thank you, though.
> 
> You can, of course, run multiple instances of CFMX 7 on J2EE and each
> instance will have its own RDS.
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Dave Carabetta]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:28:13 -0500, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not exactly, you can indeed develop on the no-cost developer edition and
> build a deployment package. But you'll need a serial number on that deployed
> version (or it'll time out after 30 days). Packaging changed, licensing has
> not.
> 

Actually, to further expound upon that, you need an *Enterprise
Edition* license on the box that you will deploy the EAR/WAR file to
(because EAR/WAR deployment only works on full J2EE servers -- this is
not a CF-only restriction, by the way). You can *create* the EAR/WAR
file using any version of MX though, including the Developer version.

Also, if no serial number is entered at compile or deployment time, it
is a full functional 30-day trial that then reverts to the Developer
version thereafter, not an explicit timeout where you can't even run
the application.

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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[James Holmes]

My understanding is that instances are completely separate. They are
essentially separate CF servers, as they run in separate JVMs, with separate
datasources, separate code etc.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. 

-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 10:53 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

This doesn't segregate the RDS users though, eh?  If I have two instances A
and B, RDS users connecting to A still can access everything on the server
including instance B.

Dave, are you thinking instance A and B will run under two different users?
In this case I suppose ACLs can be set to make this work.

Doug

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Coldfusion and XML

[Ian Vaughan]

I am outputting an XML document via Coldfusion, at present I have the
data from this file returning on the browser.

However I can I get this data to write to a text file comma seperated
..CSV file that the user can save ??

Any ideas, and is it achieveable in Coldfusion or would I have to write
a separate XSL stylesheet such as


--- XSL SNIPPET---



,
,
-

My current COLDFUSION code is below




TEST XML













#mydoc.BuildingRecordset.SchemeName[1].XMLText# - Building
Control

Local Authority Code -
#mydoc.BuildingRecordset.LocalAuthorityCode[1].XMLText#

Name =
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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[jonese]

I want a POSTER!!

jonese


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:42:46 -0600, Deanna Schneider
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And, um, where's the nice, neat, little printed Language Reference. :) Not
> to be a ludite, but I want the book, man!
> 
> >
> > CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
> > Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.
> >
> >
> 
> 

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XML from CF

[Shahzad.Butt]

I got .cfm file with some CF code (query and output) in it. A third
party application needs to read the XML file (containing same code but
in XML format). How can get that coldfusion file to output in XML?

 

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Re: Embedded Cursors

[Adrocknaphobia]

I may be way off on this one, but I'm pretty sure the dataDirect
drives will not convert an embedded cursor to an embedded cfquery.
You're better off just rewriting your query as follows.

SELECT dept.dname, emp.ename
FROM dept INNER JOIN emp ON dept.deptno = emp.deptno

That extra column of data shouldn't be too much needless overhead. As
far as I can tell CF has no support at all for Oracles OO side.

-Adam


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:17:42 -0500, Ryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to use a query that contains an embedded cursor and I am
> getting the following
> error
> 
> coldfusion.server.j2ee.sql.JRunCallableStatement.registerOutParameter(Ljava/lang/String;I)V
> 
> I am using the datadirect jdbc drivers.
> 
> 
>dsService = CreateObject("java",
> "coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory").DataSourceService;
> dsManager = dsService.getDman();
> l_datasource = dsManager.getDataSource('');
> conn = l_datasource.getConnection();
> OracleTypes = CreateObject("java", "oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleTypes");
>String query  = "begin "&
>"open ? for "&
>"'select dname, CURSOR(select ename "&
>"from emp "&
>   "where emp.deptno=dept.deptno) 
> "&
>   "from dept'; "&
>"end;";
>cstmt = conn.prepareCall(query);
>cstmt.registerOutParameter(1,OracleTypes.CURSOR);
>cstmt.execute();
>rset= cstmt.getObject(1);
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Ryan
> 
> 

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RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

[Martin Parry]

I'll bear that in mind..

Martin Parry
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-Original Message-
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Sent: 08 February 2005 14:22
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF/JRun and PerfMon

I'd definitely let the SeeFusion folks know what you're looking for, not
sure if that's in their product path plan or not, but I do know they're
looking at doing more.

- Calvin


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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Calvin Ward]

The datasources would be segregated, but by default I don't think the file
structure would be.

Also I believe in the default usage of instances, the jvm settings are
shared.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

My understanding is that instances are completely separate. They are
essentially separate CF servers, as they run in separate JVMs, with separate
datasources, separate code etc.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. 

-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 10:53 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

This doesn't segregate the RDS users though, eh?  If I have two instances A
and B, RDS users connecting to A still can access everything on the server
including instance B.

Dave, are you thinking instance A and B will run under two different users?
In this case I suppose ACLs can be set to make this work.

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Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Troy Simpson]

I have the letter O ascii 79.  I want to print the Hex value of this. 
Is there a ColdFusion function to do this?

For example:

#hex(str)#

 should print out the hex value of 4F.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Calvin Ward]

Good thought, will there be updated CFMX 7 syntax posters?

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

I want a POSTER!!

jonese


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:42:46 -0600, Deanna Schneider
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And, um, where's the nice, neat, little printed Language Reference. :) Not
> to be a ludite, but I want the book, man!
> 
> >
> > CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
> > Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.
> >
> >
> 
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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[James Holmes]

Agreed, RDS would still expose the whole filesystem to everyone. This is one
of the reasons we don't use it except on personal dev boxes.

-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 11:03 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

The datasources would be segregated, but by default I don't think the file
structure would be.

Also I believe in the default usage of instances, the jvm settings are
shared.

- Calvin

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

My understanding is that instances are completely separate. They are
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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Ben Rogers]

I'm still a little fuzzy on this. If we develop an application on ColdFusion
Enterprise and package it, do we include the license from the server we
developed the application on, or must we purchase a new, separate license of
ColdFusion Enterprise just for that EAR or WAR file? If that latter, is that
license then tied to the file or to a particular copy of the file installed
on a J2EE server?

Ben Rogers
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:28 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
> 
> Not exactly, you can indeed develop on the no-cost developer edition and
> build a deployment package. But you'll need a serial number on that
> deployed
> version (or it'll time out after 30 days). Packaging changed, licensing
> has
> not.
> 
> --- Ben
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
> 
> >You can create a WAR or EAR file that contains your CF application and
> >everything necessary to run it and then just deploy the WAR/EAR to a
> >clean install of JRun, WebLogic, WebSphere, Tomcat etc that has never
> >seen ColdFusion.
> 
> Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version of
> CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which has
> Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling out for CFMX
> software for the server?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[dcooper]

100% FALSE (I'm sitting in Massachusetts right now and my access card still 
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Re: Embedded Cursors

[Ryan Scott]

Yeah I was trying to get around the lack of support of Oracles OO side
by just using jdbc from within cfscript.

I was wondering how to call registerOutParameter(1,OracleTypes.CURSOR)
from within cfscript.

Thanks
Ryan


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:46 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I may be way off on this one, but I'm pretty sure the dataDirect
> drives will not convert an embedded cursor to an embedded cfquery.
> You're better off just rewriting your query as follows.
> 
> SELECT dept.dname, emp.ename
> FROM dept INNER JOIN emp ON dept.deptno = emp.deptno
> 
> That extra column of data shouldn't be too much needless overhead. As
> far as I can tell CF has no support at all for Oracles OO side.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:17:42 -0500, Ryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am trying to use a query that contains an embedded cursor and I am
> > getting the following
> > error
> >
> > coldfusion.server.j2ee.sql.JRunCallableStatement.registerOutParameter(Ljava/lang/String;I)V
> >
> > I am using the datadirect jdbc drivers.
> >
> > 
> >dsService = CreateObject("java",
> > "coldfusion.server.ServiceFactory").DataSourceService;
> > dsManager = dsService.getDman();
> > l_datasource = dsManager.getDataSource('');
> > conn = l_datasource.getConnection();
> > OracleTypes = CreateObject("java", "oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleTypes");
> >String query  = "begin "&
> >"open ? for "&
> >"'select dname, CURSOR(select ename "&
> >"from emp "&
> >   "where 
> > emp.deptno=dept.deptno) "&
> >   "from dept'; "&
> >"end;";
> >cstmt = conn.prepareCall(query);
> >cstmt.registerOutParameter(1,OracleTypes.CURSOR);
> >cstmt.execute();
> >rset= cstmt.getObject(1);
> > 
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Michael T. Tangorre]

http://cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=344

> From: Troy Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> #hex(str)#




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Re: CFMX7: Application.cfc and FuseBox/MachII

[dcooper]

You want to take a good hard read of the OnRequest (not OnRequestStart/Stop) 
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RE: Outsourced support to India?

[Calvin Ward]

Besides, it was R&D that went to India

http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/hr/india/

- Calvin

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Calvin Ward]

It's a separate license that you'll want to purchase, your license is
limited to 1 machine 2 CPUs (which in the example below is the machine you
packaged it from).

- Calvin

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From: Ben Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

I'm still a little fuzzy on this. If we develop an application on ColdFusion
Enterprise and package it, do we include the license from the server we
developed the application on, or must we purchase a new, separate license of
ColdFusion Enterprise just for that EAR or WAR file? If that latter, is that
license then tied to the file or to a particular copy of the file installed
on a J2EE server?

Ben Rogers
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:28 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
> 
> Not exactly, you can indeed develop on the no-cost developer edition and
> build a deployment package. But you'll need a serial number on that
> deployed
> version (or it'll time out after 30 days). Packaging changed, licensing
> has
> not.
> 
> --- Ben
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
> 
> >You can create a WAR or EAR file that contains your CF application and
> >everything necessary to run it and then just deploy the WAR/EAR to a
> >clean install of JRun, WebLogic, WebSphere, Tomcat etc that has never
> >seen ColdFusion.
> 
> Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version of
> CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which has
> Tomcat running and they will work?  All without shelling out for CFMX
> software for the server?
> 
> 
> 
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RE: CFMX7: Application.cfc and FuseBox/MachII

[Calvin Ward]

Damon,

Can you point us to that?

Thanks,
Calvin

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You want to take a good hard read of the OnRequest (not OnRequestStart/Stop)
doc...

I suspect this may be of great interest to framework developers.




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Re: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Troy Simpson]

What this library written in C/C++ or JAVA?

Troy

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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[dcooper]

FYI, the full CFMX 7 Documentation Set (including the very updated 1000-page 
plus "CFMX 7 Developing Guide") is now available for sale online here:

(forgive the ugly URL):

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/store/index.cfm#loc=en_us&view=ols_prod&store=OLS-US&categoryOID=1141619&distributionOID=48192


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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Ben Forta]

I wish. That particular title never did well enough for the publisher to
justify updating it. 

--- Ben
 

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Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books! 

And, um, where's the nice, neat, little printed Language Reference. :) Not
to be a ludite, but I want the book, man!

>
> CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to done.
> Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.
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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Dave Carabetta]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:18:38 -0500, Ben Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm still a little fuzzy on this. If we develop an application on ColdFusion
> Enterprise and package it, do we include the license from the server we
> developed the application on, or must we purchase a new, separate license of
> ColdFusion Enterprise just for that EAR or WAR file? If that latter, is that
> license then tied to the file or to a particular copy of the file installed
> on a J2EE server?
> 

Regarding serial numbers, it's your choice as to whether or not you
include it when you compile the application. If you're selling a
product to another company/customer, you would not include the serial
number, as they would need their own serial number for their own
servers. However, if you're simply moving the EAR/WAR file from one
server in your setup to another, and you already have the serial
number needed on the target server (the server you will be deploying
the EAR/WAR file on), then you can plug it in up front so that you
don't have to include the CF Administrator (or use the Admin API CFCs
to programmatically set it).

As for the license, it only applies to the server to which the EAR/WAR
file is being deployed to -- it has nothing to do with your files. So
if the server you're moving to is a 2-CPU server, you'll need to
purchase a CFMX Enterprise license for a 2-CPU server to be in license
compliance. Further, since the license is for the physical server (and
the CPU licensing is for each *physical* CPU, not virtual CPUs, by the
way), you can deploy any number of instances/applications on that
server; you are not restricted in any way on that front.

Does that make sense?

Regards,
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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[dcooper]

Macromdeia has an R&D office there, correct.  

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RE: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Craig Dudley]

Coldfusion, it's a udf, source is viewable.

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Subject: Re: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

What this library written in C/C++ or JAVA?

Troy

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Re: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Troy Simpson]

This appears to be a ColdFusion 5 library.  Will this work with
ColdFusion 6.1 MX?  How much does this library cost?

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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:55:27 +0100, Micha Schopman
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> Where should we apply ;), ... I'd personally have some ideas about
> articles. It used to be Amy Wong.

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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[Charlie Griefer]

Damon:

Aren't you considered Engineering?  are there any support people whose
access cards got them onto your side of the door? ;)


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> works :)
> 
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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Dave Watts]

> Agreed, RDS would still expose the whole filesystem to 
> everyone. This is one of the reasons we don't use it except 
> on personal dev boxes.

If you run each instance with more limited permissions, those permissions
will also apply to RDS access.

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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Ben Rogers]

> It's a separate license that you'll want to purchase, your license is
> limited to 1 machine 2 CPUs (which in the example below is the machine you
> packaged it from).

Then I guess I don't understand what the purpose of the EAR/WAR file is? I'm
sure I'm missing something, but why would I deploy as an EAR/WAR file when I
have a full copy of ColdFusion Enterprise sitting on the shelf? Why wouldn't
I install that and then install the application (either with or without
source).

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RE: Can I get Hex value for something in ColdFusion?

[Michael T. Tangorre]

> From: Troy Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> What this library written in C/C++ or JAVA?

Neither. It's a User Defined Function (UDF). It works fine in MX.




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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 02:00:59 -0800, Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been told, maybe lead to believe is more like it, that you can't
> redistro CFMX without a license agreement (fee implied).

See comments from Ben and Dave in this thread for more on licensing.

> Also, your earlier posts indicate that the deployment can include CFML
> source and/or the user can add CFML source of his own.

When you create the packaged WAR/EAR file, you have the option to
include source or not. If you choose not to include the source, CFMX7
will compile your source files to bytecode and the WAR/EAR file will
contain only the compiled code.

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Re: CFMX7: Application.cfc and FuseBox/MachII

[Dave Carabetta]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:32:34 -0400, dcooper @ macromedia. com dcooper
@ macromedia. com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You want to take a good hard read of the OnRequest (not OnRequestStart/Stop) 
> doc...
> 
> I suspect this may be of great interest to framework developers.
> 

It's of great interest, yes. However, for backwards compatibility
reasons, I'd be suprised to see the Application.cfc stuff make it into
a MX-based framework for the time being. Having to maintain two code
branches doesn't seem very efficient.

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RE: RDS Sandboxing on MX 7?

[Dave Watts]

> This doesn't segregate the RDS users though, eh?  If I have 
> two instances A and B, RDS users connecting to A still can 
> access everything on the server including instance B.
> 
> Dave, are you thinking instance A and B will run under two 
> different users?  In this case I suppose ACLs can be set to 
> make this work.

>From a security perspective, being able to run each instance with a separate
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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Ben Rogers]

> Regarding serial numbers, it's your choice as to whether or not you
> include it when you compile the application. If you're selling a
> product to another company/customer, you would not include the serial
> number, as they would need their own serial number for their own
> servers. However, if you're simply moving the EAR/WAR file from one
> server in your setup to another, and you already have the serial
> number needed on the target server (the server you will be deploying
> the EAR/WAR file on), then you can plug it in up front so that you
> don't have to include the CF Administrator (or use the Admin API CFCs
> to programmatically set it).

This all makes sense, except, why would the customer, having purchased a
full copy of ColdFusion Enterpirse, want a crippled installation of
ColdFusion Enterprise (i.e. sans the ColdFusion Administrator)?

> As for the license, it only applies to the server to which the EAR/WAR
> file is being deployed to -- it has nothing to do with your files. So
> if the server you're moving to is a 2-CPU server, you'll need to
> purchase a CFMX Enterprise license for a 2-CPU server to be in license
> compliance. Further, since the license is for the physical server (and
> the CPU licensing is for each *physical* CPU, not virtual CPUs, by the
> way), you can deploy any number of instances/applications on that
> server; you are not restricted in any way on that front.

I'm still having trouble seeing a use for EAR/WAR file deployment. Can you
package your application up as an EAR/WAR file without ColdFusion (i.e for
deployment on a running instance of ColdFusion)? Or, is ColdFusion always
included in EAR/WAR file?

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Re: CFMX7: Application.cfc and FuseBox/MachII

[dcooper]

Sure (BTW all-new CFMX 7 LiveDocs are also live and online):

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1120.htm

and (reference)

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/0698.htm


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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[dcooper]

Yes, I'm director of engineering for CF (development staff, QA staff, program 
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Bangalore office is no different...we have various positions in all the offices 
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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Rick Faircloth]

Ben...

Concerning your books:

Is there a compelling reason to go the traditional book publishing
method as opposed to publishing your content to the Internet,
say a chapter at a time as you complete it?  I would gladly pay
$5.00 per chapter to purchase your chapters online rather than
wait 6 months or more for the traditional publishing process to make
your work available...

Is there a reason why you wouldn't want to go that route?  Seems
to me you'd make more money...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Ben, I need new CF books!


I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves.
Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the
throne early in the morn.

When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!! (HA
HA!)

net will



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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Micha Schopman]

What is his address? .. I think he likes pizza..

Micha Schopman
Software Engineer

Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL  Amersfoort
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 16:40
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben, I need new CF books! 

I wish. That particular title never did well enough for the publisher to
justify updating it. 

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books! 

And, um, where's the nice, neat, little printed Language Reference. :)
Not
to be a ludite, but I want the book, man!

>
> CFWACK is done, and is being prepared for print. CFADV is close to
done.
> Study Guide is still a few weeks from done. We're getting there.
>
> 






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RE: Outsourced support to India?

[Micha Schopman]

Cough... were talent is cheap .. 

We outsource too, but in Romania. We found it better than India

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: dinsdag 8 februari 2005 16:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Outsourced support to India?

Yes, I'm director of engineering for CF (development staff, QA staff,
program management and engineering management).  Like the Newton & SF
offices, the Bangalore office is no different...we have various
positions in all the offices on various teams.  It's all good...we have
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232

[Robert Orlini]

Hello,

What does this mean in my CF Server log:

"Error","2136","02/08/05","01:33:23",,"Error number 232 occurred attempting to 
close connection to web server."
"Error","2136","02/08/05","01:33:23",,"Windows NT error number 232 occurred."

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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Adrocknaphobia]

Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
However they do believe the printed word.

-Adam


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben...
> 
> Concerning your books:
> 
> Is there a compelling reason to go the traditional book publishing
> method as opposed to publishing your content to the Internet,
> say a chapter at a time as you complete it?  I would gladly pay
> $5.00 per chapter to purchase your chapters online rather than
> wait 6 months or more for the traditional publishing process to make
> your work available...
> 
> Is there a reason why you wouldn't want to go that route?  Seems
> to me you'd make more money...
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Ben, I need new CF books!
> 
> I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves.
> Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
> enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the
> throne early in the morn.
> 
> When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!! (HA
> HA!)
> 
> net will
> 
> 

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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[Aaron Rouse]

Then why no office here in town?  :(

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:01:01 -0400, dcooper @ macromedia. com dcooper
@ macromedia. com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   It's all good...we have offices where the some of the world's best talent 
> is at.
> 
> Damon
> 
>

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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Aaron Rouse]

I really prefer to read things from a book over reading them on a monitor.


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
> However they do believe the printed word.
> 
> -Adam

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Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Charlie Griefer]

i find that hard to believe...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
> However they do believe the printed word.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ben...
> >
> > Concerning your books:
> >
> > Is there a compelling reason to go the traditional book publishing
> > method as opposed to publishing your content to the Internet,
> > say a chapter at a time as you complete it?  I would gladly pay
> > $5.00 per chapter to purchase your chapters online rather than
> > wait 6 months or more for the traditional publishing process to make
> > your work available...
> >
> > Is there a reason why you wouldn't want to go that route?  Seems
> > to me you'd make more money...
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Ben, I need new CF books!
> >
> > I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the shelves.
> > Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
> > enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on the
> > throne early in the morn.
> >
> > When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!! (HA
> > HA!)
> >
> > net will
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[dcooper]

hmmm...where are you located?  :)

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RE: 232

[Paul Vernon]

On CF 5 and below, 232 errors are generally to do with timeouts or clients
hitting their stop button in the browser...

You may want to turn on logging for long running pages and if you have a DB
capable of it, turn on your profiler and look for slow execution times

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Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Dave Carabetta]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:54:25 -0500, Ben Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Regarding serial numbers, it's your choice as to whether or not you
> > include it when you compile the application. If you're selling a
> > product to another company/customer, you would not include the serial
> > number, as they would need their own serial number for their own
> > servers. However, if you're simply moving the EAR/WAR file from one
> > server in your setup to another, and you already have the serial
> > number needed on the target server (the server you will be deploying
> > the EAR/WAR file on), then you can plug it in up front so that you
> > don't have to include the CF Administrator (or use the Admin API CFCs
> > to programmatically set it).
> 
> This all makes sense, except, why would the customer, having purchased a
> full copy of ColdFusion Enterpirse, want a crippled installation of
> ColdFusion Enterprise (i.e. sans the ColdFusion Administrator)?

OK, here's a use case. One of the reasons that ColdFusion hasn't been
adopted at some shops is that they run a pure J2EE environment.
ColdFusion MX's past deployment experience has not followed this
pattern, even though it is a valid J2EE application. You used to have
to buy the CF server, install it separately into a J2EE instance, and
then deploy your CFML code separately on top of that. That was an
awkward experience for J2EE sys admins who wanted to have one neat
EAR/WAR file that they could drop in and deploy which contained all of
CFMX plus the CFML application. Now, to you and me as CF-ers, it's
probably not that big of a deal because it's what we're used to, but
for these pure J2EE shops, it was a hassle they didn't want to deal
with so they stuck with technologies such as JSP. For a real-world
example of this, I believe Mario Ciliotta who just posted to the list
yesterday that his sys admins at Credit Suisse First Boston only
wanted a EAR/WAR file to deploy if they were going to use CFMX 7.

Keeping that use case in mind, CFMX 7 has the EAR/WAR packaging
feature to satisfy this awkwardness for pure J2EE shops. If you think
about it, in these big shops, they are theoretically not going to need
to access the CFMX Administrator after the initial deployment, and any
tweaking that does need to be done can now be done programmatically
via the Admin API included (see LiveDocs for more on this).

> 
> > As for the license, it only applies to the server to which the EAR/WAR
> > file is being deployed to -- it has nothing to do with your files. So
> > if the server you're moving to is a 2-CPU server, you'll need to
> > purchase a CFMX Enterprise license for a 2-CPU server to be in license
> > compliance. Further, since the license is for the physical server (and
> > the CPU licensing is for each *physical* CPU, not virtual CPUs, by the
> > way), you can deploy any number of instances/applications on that
> > server; you are not restricted in any way on that front.
> 
> I'm still having trouble seeing a use for EAR/WAR file deployment. Can you
> package your application up as an EAR/WAR file without ColdFusion (i.e for
> deployment on a running instance of ColdFusion)? Or, is ColdFusion always
> included in EAR/WAR file?

No, and this is really more because of the nature of how EAR/WAR files
are used in the J2EE world. They are intended to be full standalone
applications that you can literally just drop in and deploy without
dependencies. If you already have CF installed into the instance
you're deploying to, the combination of WinZip and sourceless
deployment via the included cfcompile utility achieves the same goal.

Hope this helps?

Regards,
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Detailed CFMX 7 Release Notes (with comprehensive New Fetaures List)

[dcooper]

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/coldfusion/mx7/releasenotes.html

(I think it's 22 pages printed, and nearly all new features...)

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RE: Outsourced support to India?

[Michael T. Tangorre]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Yes, I'm director of engineering for CF (development staff, 
> QA staff, program management and engineering management).  
> Like the Newton & SF offices, the Bangalore office is no 
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> various teams.  It's all good...we have offices where the 
> some of the world's best talent is at.

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Re: 232

[Ray Champagne]

No idea if this will help you, but look about halfway down the page (the 
red text):

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q109787/

Ray

At 11:12 AM 2/8/2005, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>What does this mean in my CF Server log:
>
>"Error","2136","02/08/05","01:33:23",,"Error number 232 occurred 
>attempting to close connection to web server."
>"Error","2136","02/08/05","01:33:23",,"Windows NT error number 232 occurred."
>
>Robert O.
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RE: 232

[Robert Orlini]

Thanks all...

-Original Message-
From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 232


On CF 5 and below, 232 errors are generally to do with timeouts or clients
hitting their stop button in the browser...

You may want to turn on logging for long running pages and if you have a DB
capable of it, turn on your profiler and look for slow execution times

Paul





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Re: Outsourced support to India?

[Aaron Rouse]

haha ... houston, tx


On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:21:10 -0400, dcooper @ macromedia. com dcooper
@ macromedia. com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hmmm...where are you located?  :)
>

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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Rick Faircloth]

Use you printer...make a binder as you download
and print he book.

I, too, like reading and using info that is printed or that I've printed,
but making the resources available over the Internet seems to make
more sense these days...

I've never had a book published (or unpublished for that matter)
so I'm sure there are issues I'm unaware of...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books!


I really prefer to read things from a book over reading them on a monitor.


On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
> However they do believe the printed word.
>
> -Adam



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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Rick Faircloth]

Find what hard to believe?

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books!


i find that hard to believe...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
> However they do believe the printed word.
>
> -Adam
>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:41:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ben...
> >
> > Concerning your books:
> >
> > Is there a compelling reason to go the traditional book publishing
> > method as opposed to publishing your content to the Internet,
> > say a chapter at a time as you complete it?  I would gladly pay
> > $5.00 per chapter to purchase your chapters online rather than
> > wait 6 months or more for the traditional publishing process to make
> > your work available...
> >
> > Is there a reason why you wouldn't want to go that route?  Seems
> > to me you'd make more money...
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:35 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Ben, I need new CF books!
> >
> > I think we'd all like to see those Forta cfmx7 books roll off the
shelves.
> > Yeah I'm using the help documents, and reading online what I can, but I
> > enjoy reading my Forta bestsellers in bed, late into the night, and on
the
> > throne early in the morn.
> >
> > When shall they flow out Ben? It's not like you're bsuy or anything!!
(HA
> > HA!)
> >
> > net will
> >
> >
>
>



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RE: Ben, I need new CF books!

[Paul]

Haha!  Clever!

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Ben, I need new CF books!

i find that hard to believe...

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:15:15 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because some people don't belive everything they read on the internet.
> However they do believe the printed word.
> 
> -Adam
> 


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RE: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)

[Ben Rogers]

Yes, this helps a lot. Thanks for the detailed response. Unfortunately, it
doesn't appear that this feature will be of much use to us. When we install
apps in corporate environments, we're usually provided with servers and
perform the installations ourselves. Besides those apps, most of the stuff
we write has to run in shared hosting environments (though they might not
necessarily be deployed to shared hosting environments). We simply don't see
a lot in between.

Ben Rogers
http://www.c4.net
v.508.240.0051
f.508.240.0057

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
> 
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:54:25 -0500, Ben Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Regarding serial numbers, it's your choice as to whether or not you
> > > include it when you compile the application. If you're selling a
> > > product to another company/customer, you would not include the serial
> > > number, as they would need their own serial number for their own
> > > servers. However, if you're simply moving the EAR/WAR file from one
> > > server in your setup to another, and you already have the serial
> > > number needed on the target server (the server you will be deploying
> > > the EAR/WAR file on), then you can plug it in up front so that you
> > > don't have to include the CF Administrator (or use the Admin API CFCs
> > > to programmatically set it).
> >
> > This all makes sense, except, why would the customer, having purchased a
> > full copy of ColdFusion Enterpirse, want a crippled installation of
> > ColdFusion Enterprise (i.e. sans the ColdFusion Administrator)?
> 
> OK, here's a use case. One of the reasons that ColdFusion hasn't been
> adopted at some shops is that they run a pure J2EE environment.
> ColdFusion MX's past deployment experience has not followed this
> pattern, even though it is a valid J2EE application. You used to have
> to buy the CF server, install it separately into a J2EE instance, and
> then deploy your CFML code separately on top of that. That was an
> awkward experience for J2EE sys admins who wanted to have one neat
> EAR/WAR file that they could drop in and deploy which contained all of
> CFMX plus the CFML application. Now, to you and me as CF-ers, it's
> probably not that big of a deal because it's what we're used to, but
> for these pure J2EE shops, it was a hassle they didn't want to deal
> with so they stuck with technologies such as JSP. For a real-world
> example of this, I believe Mario Ciliotta who just posted to the list
> yesterday that his sys admins at Credit Suisse First Boston only
> wanted a EAR/WAR file to deploy if they were going to use CFMX 7.
> 
> Keeping that use case in mind, CFMX 7 has the EAR/WAR packaging
> feature to satisfy this awkwardness for pure J2EE shops. If you think
> about it, in these big shops, they are theoretically not going to need
> to access the CFMX Administrator after the initial deployment, and any
> tweaking that does need to be done can now be done programmatically
> via the Admin API included (see LiveDocs for more on this).
> 
> >
> > > As for the license, it only applies to the server to which the EAR/WAR
> > > file is being deployed to -- it has nothing to do with your files. So
> > > if the server you're moving to is a 2-CPU server, you'll need to
> > > purchase a CFMX Enterprise license for a 2-CPU server to be in license
> > > compliance. Further, since the license is for the physical server (and
> > > the CPU licensing is for each *physical* CPU, not virtual CPUs, by the
> > > way), you can deploy any number of instances/applications on that
> > > server; you are not restricted in any way on that front.
> >
> > I'm still having trouble seeing a use for EAR/WAR file deployment. Can
> you
> > package your application up as an EAR/WAR file without ColdFusion (i.e
> for
> > deployment on a running instance of ColdFusion)? Or, is ColdFusion
> always
> > included in EAR/WAR file?
> 
> No, and this is really more because of the nature of how EAR/WAR files
> are used in the J2EE world. They are intended to be full standalone
> applications that you can literally just drop in and deploy without
> dependencies. If you already have CF installed into the instance
> you're deploying to, the combination of WinZip and sourceless
> deployment via the included cfcompile utility achieves the same goal.
> 
> Hope this helps?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave.
> 
> 

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Re: 232

[Bryan Stevenson]

Not sure...did you try M$ for  "Windows NT error 232" ;-)

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