FAQ creator

[David Mineer]

Can anyone reccomend a good FAQ creator package, preferably in cold fusion.

I want to create a FAQ for my website.  It would be nice if it was
easy to administer and kept track of number of clicks on each topic
etc...

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Re: FAQ?

[Tom Chiverton]

On Friday 14 July 2006 10:51, Mingo Hagen wrote:
> But, shouldn't you post that on the blog as a comment :)

:wiggles nose
*bing*
I have... :-)

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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Tom Chiverton wrote:
> On Friday 14 July 2006 09:46, James Holmes wrote:
>   
>> if you have an idea for a name, as "The CF Best Solutions App Thingy"
>> won't look good in a web design :-) Perhaps just something like "Rated
>> CF Solutions" or similar?
>> 
>
> cfSolutions ?
>
> Coldfusion Community Conclusion (or C3 for short) ?
>
>   
I like it: C3! It's got my vote...
But, shouldn't you post that on the blog as a comment :)

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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

Ooh, the second one is really catchy. It would go well hosted at
cffaq.com (e.g. "How do I get a text editor in my CF - {answer
here}... for the Coldfusion Community Conclusion on which ones to use,
click here"). Sounds good.

On 7/14/06, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 14 July 2006 09:46, James Holmes wrote:
> > if you have an idea for a name, as "The CF Best Solutions App Thingy"
> > won't look good in a web design :-) Perhaps just something like "Rated
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Re: FAQ?

[Tom Chiverton]

On Friday 14 July 2006 09:46, James Holmes wrote:
> if you have an idea for a name, as "The CF Best Solutions App Thingy"
> won't look good in a web design :-) Perhaps just something like "Rated
> CF Solutions" or similar?

cfSolutions ?

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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

And I forgot to mention I got the SES URLs working, so here is the
blog post on the Best Solutions app thing:

http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/index.cfm/2006/7/14/The-CF-Best-Solutions-Comparison-App

Comments now work too - the CAPTCHA was stuffing up because of file
permissions. If you have a requirement that you want to see in the
app, please post a comment in the blog entry. Also feel free to post
if you have an idea for a name, as "The CF Best Solutions App Thingy"
won't look good in a web design :-) Perhaps just something like "Rated
CF Solutions" or similar?

On 7/14/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I got BlogCFC working after a session of hacking:
>
> http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/?mode=entry&entry=6A682CE1-BD02-01ED-7032AD32BDC536CA
>
> On 7/13/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
> > hosting. I'll work it out later.
> >
> > However, we can use the test galleon forum I setup a while ago:
> >
> > http://www.bifrost.com.au/forums/threads.cfm?forumid=67D7CB0E-F900-0235-18BAD35904E56A06
> >
> > Post away.
> >
> > On 7/13/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > James Holmes wrote:
> > > > Sound good?
> > > Sounds good to me! see you on your blog (wherever that will be ;) )
> > > Mingo.
> > >
> > >
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

OK, I got BlogCFC working after a session of hacking:

http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/?mode=entry&entry=6A682CE1-BD02-01ED-7032AD32BDC536CA

On 7/13/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
> hosting. I'll work it out later.
>
> However, we can use the test galleon forum I setup a while ago:
>
> http://www.bifrost.com.au/forums/threads.cfm?forumid=67D7CB0E-F900-0235-18BAD35904E56A06
>
> Post away.
>
> On 7/13/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > James Holmes wrote:
> > > Sound good?
> > Sounds good to me! see you on your blog (wherever that will be ;) )
> > Mingo.
> >
> >
> > 

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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

Well, my site broke and I made no changes. For example:

http://www.bifrost.com.au/modelgluesamples/nameuppercaser/

The MG files are in the site root.

On 7/14/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If they have put a / mapping on the server then they will be getting a
> deluge of complaints as this will break a lot of other peoples sites too.
> Everyone that uses / to reference the root of their site in their cfincludes
> etc.
>
> Snake
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 July 2006 00:41
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FAQ?
>
> I'll rephrase:
>
> If I want the shared stuff (i.e. the entire org.* folder tree) in a single
> location on the site I need a mapping. Of course this can all be duplicated
> under the main app directory, which I just did.
>
> The alternative of putting these things in the web root only works if there
> is no "/" mapping on the server. HMS must mave just installed a "/" mapping
> on my server, because my old MG demo install and the first install of
> BlogCFC both broke. Reorganising the blog folders made that work so far.
>
> On 7/14/06, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 5 is the same. No mappings required. Most of my apps do not require
> > mappings, and as I upgrade them, I try to remove that dependancy.
> >
> > FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.
> >
> > On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I'm using BlogCFC on a shared host, it doesn't require a mapping.
> > > You just have to put the folders/files in the right spots (at least
> > > that's how v. 4 worked, I haven't upgraded to 5 yet).
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> > > >
> > > > OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on
> > > > shared hosting. I'll work it out later.
> > >
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RE: FAQ?

[Snake]

If they have put a / mapping on the server then they will be getting a
deluge of complaints as this will break a lot of other peoples sites too.
Everyone that uses / to reference the root of their site in their cfincludes
etc.

Snake 

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 14 July 2006 00:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

I'll rephrase:

If I want the shared stuff (i.e. the entire org.* folder tree) in a single
location on the site I need a mapping. Of course this can all be duplicated
under the main app directory, which I just did.

The alternative of putting these things in the web root only works if there
is no "/" mapping on the server. HMS must mave just installed a "/" mapping
on my server, because my old MG demo install and the first install of
BlogCFC both broke. Reorganising the blog folders made that work so far.

On 7/14/06, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 5 is the same. No mappings required. Most of my apps do not require 
> mappings, and as I upgrade them, I try to remove that dependancy.
>
> FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.
>
> On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm using BlogCFC on a shared host, it doesn't require a mapping.  
> > You just have to put the folders/files in the right spots (at least 
> > that's how v. 4 worked, I haven't upgraded to 5 yet).
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> > >
> > > OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on 
> > > shared hosting. I'll work it out later.
> >
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

I'll rephrase:

If I want the shared stuff (i.e. the entire org.* folder tree) in a
single location on the site I need a mapping. Of course this can all
be duplicated under the main app directory, which I just did.

The alternative of putting these things in the web root only works if
there is no "/" mapping on the server. HMS must mave just installed a
"/" mapping on my server, because my old MG demo install and the first
install of BlogCFC both broke. Reorganising the blog folders made that
work so far.

On 7/14/06, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 5 is the same. No mappings required. Most of my apps do not require
> mappings, and as I upgrade them, I try to remove that dependancy.
>
> FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.
>
> On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm using BlogCFC on a shared host, it doesn't require a mapping.  You
> > just have to put the folders/files in the right spots (at least that's
> > how v. 4 worked, I haven't upgraded to 5 yet).
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> > >
> > > OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
> > > hosting. I'll work it out later.
> >
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> >
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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Major update?! darn it, just installed the 5-0 version...
oh well, that way I have something to do over the weekend...

Mingo.

Munson, Jacob wrote:
>> From: Raymond Camden
>>
>> FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.
>> 
>
> Good to hear.  I'm planning on upgrading to 5.1 when it's released.
>
>
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RE: FAQ?

[Munson, Jacob]

> From: Raymond Camden
>
> FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.

Good to hear.  I'm planning on upgrading to 5.1 when it's released.




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Re: FAQ?

[Raymond Camden]

5 is the same. No mappings required. Most of my apps do not require
mappings, and as I upgrade them, I try to remove that dependancy.

FYI, a major new release of BlogCFC will be released this weekend.

On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using BlogCFC on a shared host, it doesn't require a mapping.  You
> just have to put the folders/files in the right spots (at least that's
> how v. 4 worked, I haven't upgraded to 5 yet).
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> >
> > OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
> > hosting. I'll work it out later.
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RE: FAQ?

[Munson, Jacob]

I'm using BlogCFC on a shared host, it doesn't require a mapping.  You
just have to put the folders/files in the right spots (at least that's
how v. 4 worked, I haven't upgraded to 5 yet).

> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> 
> OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
> hosting. I'll work it out later.

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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

OK, no blog for now since BlogCFC requires a mapping and I'm on shared
hosting. I'll work it out later.

However, we can use the test galleon forum I setup a while ago:

http://www.bifrost.com.au/forums/threads.cfm?forumid=67D7CB0E-F900-0235-18BAD35904E56A06

Post away.

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> James Holmes wrote:
> > Sound good?
> Sounds good to me! see you on your blog (wherever that will be ;) )
> Mingo.
>
>
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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

I considered working on it, but no one wants it built in CF 4.5!  :o)
I've got CF7 installed on XP and Apache, but haven't had time to
mess around with it...


Rick

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

Well, I'd be willing to have a crack at this, if no-one else is really keen.

On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think this is a very good idea for a new community resource someone 
> should build.  I think the idea of allowing people to rate stuff would 
> help take care of the 'mess' you mentioned.  Similar to Amazon.com, 
> you could look at the frameworks section, for example, and see a star 
> rating for each item.  You could also see user comments sorted by 
> highest rating (people could rate the comments).  If the site had a 
> blog attached to it, the maintainer could keep people informed about 
> the site, which would also help keep it current and accurate.  
> Especially if the blog is aggregated by feed-squirrel, mxna, and
fullasagoog.
>
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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

Ok...the "incoming" aspect was not really important...I should have just
said "new" mail.  I just want to figure out how to make use the content
that comes in email for my purposes, without just having it filtered into
other email boxes.  But I want it done automatically.

I'll check into CFPOP...

Thanks, Neil.

Rick


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Subject: Re: FAQ?

Yeah, but it would technically not be incoming per se, the email would have
already arrived and you would be parsing it's content via CFPOP after your
SMTP server has reveived it.



 






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Is it possible for CF to parse incoming email by content in the email?

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Subject: Re: FAQ?

No, Rick, I do think that a site of some kind is a great idea for this. 
But the initial post brought up how great it would be if all of these emails
could do this and that, and I've been doing it for years. Yes, I can search
in the way you mentioned, and sure, I've hand parsed through a lot of it
over the years, tossing the trash and off-kilter OT. But the filters for the
site could be constructed in a similar manner (and allow cross-referencing),
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the final filter for pertinent content.

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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

James Holmes wrote:
> Sound good?
Sounds good to me! see you on your blog (wherever that will be ;) )
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

The first thing to do is for people to say what they need (i.e. gather
requirements for specifications). I was going to blog it but it
appears my blog evaporated into the "this domain name has expired"
black hole... (hopefully I can use search engine caches to get my old
articles)

Time to bite the bullet and put BlogCFC on my site, I guess. Once
that's done I'll blog it and people can comment there to suggest
specs. Sound good?

On 7/13/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Holmes wrote:
> > Well, I'd be willing to have a crack at this, if no-one else is really keen.
> >
> >
> That's great! We could of course make it a community project, open
> source and all... What would be a good place to start? a forum, a blog,
> a custom design?
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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

James Holmes wrote:
> Well, I'd be willing to have a crack at this, if no-one else is really keen.
>
>   
That's great! We could of course make it a community project, open 
source and all... What would be a good place to start? a forum, a blog, 
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

Well, I'd be willing to have a crack at this, if no-one else is really keen.

On 7/13/06, Munson, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think this is a very good idea for a new community resource someone
> should build.  I think the idea of allowing people to rate stuff would
> help take care of the 'mess' you mentioned.  Similar to Amazon.com, you
> could look at the frameworks section, for example, and see a star rating
> for each item.  You could also see user comments sorted by highest
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

This is obviously a use of the word "fun" of which I was not
previously aware :-)

On 7/13/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would also limit the amount of times the same discussion occurs (or
> is it recurs), although it is fun to watch the frameworkswar.

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Re: FAQ?

[Tom Chiverton]

On Wednesday 12 July 2006 23:51, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Is it possible for CF to parse incoming email by content in the email?

It's got POP and IMAP tags, so, umm, yes ?

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Re: FAQ?

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Yeah, but it would technically not be incoming per se, the email would have
already arrived and you would be parsing it's content via CFPOP after your
SMTP server has reveived it.



 






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To: CF-Talk 
Sent: Wed Jul 12 23:51:43 2006
Subject: RE: FAQ?

Is it possible for CF to parse incoming email by content in the email?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

No, Rick, I do think that a site of some kind is a great idea for this. 
But the initial post brought up how great it would be if all of these emails
could do this and that, and I've been doing it for years. Yes, I can search
in the way you mentioned, and sure, I've hand parsed through a lot of it
over the years, tossing the trash and off-kilter OT. But the filters for the
site could be constructed in a similar manner (and allow cross-referencing),
covering a large portion of the work. Someone's eyes might still have to do
the final filter for pertinent content.

Cutter
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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

Is it possible for CF to parse incoming email by content in the email?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

No, Rick, I do think that a site of some kind is a great idea for this. 
But the initial post brought up how great it would be if all of these emails
could do this and that, and I've been doing it for years. Yes, I can search
in the way you mentioned, and sure, I've hand parsed through a lot of it
over the years, tossing the trash and off-kilter OT. But the filters for the
site could be constructed in a similar manner (and allow cross-referencing),
covering a large portion of the work. Someone's eyes might still have to do
the final filter for pertinent content.

Cutter
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Re: FAQ?

[Cutter (CFRelated)]

No, Rick, I do think that a site of some kind is a great idea for this. 
But the initial post brought up how great it would be if all of these 
emails could do this and that, and I've been doing it for years. Yes, I 
can search in the way you mentioned, and sure, I've hand parsed through 
a lot of it over the years, tossing the trash and off-kilter OT. But the 
filters for the site could be constructed in a similar manner (and allow 
cross-referencing), covering a large portion of the work. Someone's eyes 
might still have to do the final filter for pertinent content.

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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

I'm sure I can set up filters to do the same thing in Outlook 2007, but I'm
talking
about something that is more standardized in content (e.g. fields that match
database fields)
and not just stored in the original email.

I would like to parse the email content and create a data store that I can
manipulate as I please.

You're just saving email into various folders, right?  Can you search the
email that you save
for various keywords and have it return subject lines that you can then
click and recall the
email?  I would guess if you can that you'd still have to parse through a
lot of email before
finding what you're looking for, especially since you're not manually
parsing the information
which would allow you to throw out anything not useful.

Am I missing some important benefits to how you're doing it or do you think
it could be
done better than with email filters?


Rick

-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

Wow, that sounds like exactly what my custom filters do for me now. I've had
them set up for years, adding and adjusting as I go, and have a few years
worth of email saved off from CF-Talk, CFCDev, FlashCoders, etc., all in
neat folders by category. I've had to switch boxes a few times, but I've
just copied over the profile from my Application Data folder, put it on my
new system, and voila, there they all were.

But you can do those kind of things pretty easily with a real email program,
like Thunderbird;)

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Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I'm using the Office 2007 Beta 2 and it's got RSS folders built right 
> into Outlook.
> The RSS folders are still just one more place I have to plow through 
> to get info.
> I'd rather it come to my inbox.
> 
> I wish there was some way to receive an email which was formatted in a 
> certain way with information concerning, say, CF, was I had a reader 
> that would take the Title, Summary, Details, Category, Code, CF 
> Version and whatever else would be helpful and pull it into a database 
> about CF for me.
> 
> That way, all the sources of information that I subscribe to would 
> simply be parsed and loaded into my CF knowledgebase according to my 
> needs.
> 
> Perhaps a standard could be developed for content for such emails and 
> we could all use the repository code on our systems and developers 
> could send out coding tips, examples, working code, etc.
> 
> Then we all just automatically start building a personal knowledgebase 
> to draw up and customize according to our coding style, version, etc.
> 
> There's got to be a better way to share info, besides asking questions 
> over and over, searching Google, searching the various CF sites, or 
> the House of Fusion archives.
> 
> It's just short of ridiculous that we who build content management 
> systems for others, haven't (or can't?) up with a standardized CMS 
> system for our community.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FAQ?
> 
> I don't know what Email client you use, but I know that Thunderbird 
> will check RSS feeds.  Then you /could/ have the new items come to 
> your inbox, so to speak.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FAQ?

[Cutter (CFRelated)]

Wow, that sounds like exactly what my custom filters do for me now. I've 
had them set up for years, adding and adjusting as I go, and have a few 
years worth of email saved off from CF-Talk, CFCDev, FlashCoders, etc., 
all in neat folders by category. I've had to switch boxes a few times, 
but I've just copied over the profile from my Application Data folder, 
put it on my new system, and voila, there they all were.

But you can do those kind of things pretty easily with a real email 
program, like Thunderbird;)

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Rick Faircloth wrote:
> I'm using the Office 2007 Beta 2 and it's got RSS folders built right into
> Outlook.
> The RSS folders are still just one more place I have to plow through to get
> info.
> I'd rather it come to my inbox.
> 
> I wish there was some way to receive an email which was formatted in a
> certain
> way with information concerning, say, CF, was I had a reader that would
> take the Title, Summary, Details, Category, Code, CF Version and whatever
> else would be helpful
> and pull it into a database about CF for me.
> 
> That way, all the sources of information that I subscribe to would simply be
> parsed
> and loaded into my CF knowledgebase according to my needs.
> 
> Perhaps a standard could be developed for content for such emails and we
> could
> all use the repository code on our systems and developers could send out
> coding tips,
> examples, working code, etc.
> 
> Then we all just automatically start building a personal knowledgebase to
> draw up and
> customize according to our coding style, version, etc.
> 
> There's got to be a better way to share info, besides asking questions over
> and over,
> searching Google, searching the various CF sites, or the House of Fusion
> archives.
> 
> It's just short of ridiculous that we who build content management systems
> for others,
> haven't (or can't?) up with a standardized CMS system for our community.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FAQ?
> 
> I don't know what Email client you use, but I know that Thunderbird will
> check RSS feeds.  Then you /could/ have the new items come to your inbox, so
> to speak.  :) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: FAQ?

[Mark Drew]

Without trying to harp on about it, if the "Add to FAQ" link worked  
in the way you described with CF version, Category, summary, etc as  
extra fields it would do the same job.

I dont know what Michael thinks about this (its his system after  
all :)) but I think that should be fairly easily implementable. Maybe  
some good karma points for the users that add more to the FAQ and get  
lots of "nudges" (we cant call them diggs, so nudges or HoFs?... hold  
on.. I dont want to be giving the David Hoff to anything!!!)


Just another jet-lagged idea brought to you by

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On 12 Jul 2006, at 19:42, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> I'm using the Office 2007 Beta 2 and it's got RSS folders built  
> right into
> Outlook.
> The RSS folders are still just one more place I have to plow  
> through to get
> info.
> I'd rather it come to my inbox.
>
> I wish there was some way to receive an email which was formatted in a
> certain
> way with information concerning, say, CF, was I had a reader that  
> would
> take the Title, Summary, Details, Category, Code, CF Version and  
> whatever
> else would be helpful
> and pull it into a database about CF for me.
>
> That way, all the sources of information that I subscribe to would  
> simply be
> parsed
> and loaded into my CF knowledgebase according to my needs.
>
> Perhaps a standard could be developed for content for such emails  
> and we
> could
> all use the repository code on our systems and developers could  
> send out
> coding tips,
> examples, working code, etc.
>
> Then we all just automatically start building a personal  
> knowledgebase to
> draw up and
> customize according to our coding style, version, etc.
>
> There's got to be a better way to share info, besides asking  
> questions over
> and over,
> searching Google, searching the various CF sites, or the House of  
> Fusion
> archives.
>
> It's just short of ridiculous that we who build content management  
> systems
> for others,
> haven't (or can't?) up with a standardized CMS system for our  
> community.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FAQ?
>
> I don't know what Email client you use, but I know that Thunderbird  
> will
> check RSS feeds.  Then you /could/ have the new items come to your  
> inbox, so
> to speak.  :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: FAQ?

[Richard Kroll]

I know I'd sign up for notification for when new tips are added.  I know
I don't check back that often, only when a need arises and I'm looking
for a solution.

My 2 cents,
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

I've considered a Subscribe mode for people who want to get informed
on each entry. Since the site has an RSS feed I figured it wasn't
quite as critical. But it would be nice to add email notification.

On 7/12/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I try all the time to convince my clients that while being on the
Internet
> on a website is a must, it's more important for marketing to be in
people's
> inboxes.
>
> Why not set up a "Tip of the Day" (or "Tip of the Week") and deliver
it to
> subscriber's inboxes, where they can then save the tips to
> archives...searchable
> on their own systems.
>
> Also, when new tips are added, automatic email notice goes out to all
> subscribers
> with information about the tip.
>
> Why wait for them to go to the site?  Take the material to
them...you're
> traffic will
> pick up a lot, I'll wager, too...
>
> Rick

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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

I'm using the Office 2007 Beta 2 and it's got RSS folders built right into
Outlook.
The RSS folders are still just one more place I have to plow through to get
info.
I'd rather it come to my inbox.

I wish there was some way to receive an email which was formatted in a
certain
way with information concerning, say, CF, was I had a reader that would
take the Title, Summary, Details, Category, Code, CF Version and whatever
else would be helpful
and pull it into a database about CF for me.

That way, all the sources of information that I subscribe to would simply be
parsed
and loaded into my CF knowledgebase according to my needs.

Perhaps a standard could be developed for content for such emails and we
could
all use the repository code on our systems and developers could send out
coding tips,
examples, working code, etc.

Then we all just automatically start building a personal knowledgebase to
draw up and
customize according to our coding style, version, etc.

There's got to be a better way to share info, besides asking questions over
and over,
searching Google, searching the various CF sites, or the House of Fusion
archives.

It's just short of ridiculous that we who build content management systems
for others,
haven't (or can't?) up with a standardized CMS system for our community.

Rick



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Subject: RE: FAQ?

I don't know what Email client you use, but I know that Thunderbird will
check RSS feeds.  Then you /could/ have the new items come to your inbox, so
to speak.  :) 






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Re: FAQ?

[Robyn]

Have you considered using a group-wide wiki for this?  The CSS list that 
I read has a great wiki site that allows users to compile frequently 
used formats, different hacks, etc.  Check it out for ideas:
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

Mingo Hagen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a place to get stuff settled (and don't say the cf-talk search 
> function), stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea, 
> TinyMCE, etc.), what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), what 
> mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled 
> issues? And all that geared towards coldfusion. Perhaps a place were 
> users can vote, and add explanations as to why they choose A over B.
> 
> If there's not such a place, is there any interest in it?
> 
> 
> Mingo.
> 
> 
> 

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RE: FAQ?

[Michael E. Carluen]

What I find most helpful when buying consumer electronics has always been to
dig up a copy Consumer Reports. They always have a table that lists the
competing products with a side by side comparison feature sets or even when
the feature I need even exists or not.

Similarly when choosing with CF tool to use (ie CFAJAX, AJAXCFC, JSMX
etc...)., I often use the same approach- but doing the side by side list on
my own. After that, my first criteria in the decision process has always
been to jump into the HoF archives, and know who is using what (ie what most
CF gods use, and you know who you are  ;-)) and what the general consensus
and bias are from the CF Community at large.  Consensus does weigh-in quite
a bit.  I expect no "best" at something, but rather what has already been
proven in a given real world scenario.

Once I have narrowed into the tool that ranks high on my list, only then
does FAQs, implementation How-to's, and Cookbooks become a big part of the
decision process.

It would definitely be helpful if there is a place for that side-by-side
list.

My 2 cents.

Michael



> -Original Message-
> From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:25 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FAQ?
> 
> Your site addresses the 'how do i do this or that' question. What I want
> is a place where I can go to answer the 'what tools are there for my
> problem'.
> In order to find out what the _right_ tools are for a certain job, you
> need to at least know _which_ tools there are and to help you find out
> if they fit your job it helps to read about what other coldfusion
> programmers' experience has been with them.
> Is that a possible extension to the cfcookbook project, a library of
> cf-related tools with user experiences?
> 
> Mingo.
> ps. I'm promoting your site to my (not too many) coworkers.
> 
> 
> 


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RE: FAQ?

[Ken Ketsdever]

I love HOF, and am thankful to the Dinowitz's and all those who
contribute. However, I have never found the search functionality of the
site to be very helpful.  I think this idea would make the site much
friendlier for finding the answer to whatever it is you are looking for.



>>
I still think the ability to mark a thread as a good solution to
something
and add a title (like digg) would help.

Something along the lines of clicking on the signature of one post,
adding
the title "Which WYSIWYG editors should I use?" and posting it to the
FAQ,
it would would check to see if that thread is in the FAQ already, warn
you,
let you know what title it went under (so that if the thread solves
multiple
problems it can have another title) and allow you to add a new title or
cancel.

The FAQ entries can then just have something like digg uses which people
that have used the FAQ can vote by saying if it was useful and answered
the
question.

Not hard to set up I would guess, but I know Michael has the time, but
this
would be a useful feature and limit the number of "search for it bozo"
and
replace it with "look in the FAQ bozo" remarks. (ok, you dont need to
add
bozo, you could add whatever remark you want)

MD

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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Nice analogy ;)
It would also limit the amount of times the same discussion occurs (or 
is it recurs), although it is fun to watch the frameworkswar.


Munson, Jacob wrote:
> Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.  Especially if this new FAQ were
> publicly available, so that people that don't want to drink from the
> firehose (i.e., subscribe to cf-talk) can still access it.  :)
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RE: FAQ?

[Munson, Jacob]

Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.  Especially if this new FAQ were
publicly available, so that people that don't want to drink from the
firehose (i.e., subscribe to cf-talk) can still access it.  :)

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:46 AM
> 
> I still think the ability to mark a thread as a good solution 
> to something
> and add a title (like digg) would help.
> 
> Something along the lines of clicking on the signature of one 
> post, adding
> the title "Which WYSIWYG editors should I use?" and posting 
> it to the FAQ,
> it would would check to see if that thread is in the FAQ 
> already, warn you,
> let you know what title it went under (so that if the thread 
> solves multiple
> problems it can have another title) and allow you to add a 
> new title or
> cancel.
> 
> The FAQ entries can then just have something like digg uses 
> which people
> that have used the FAQ can vote by saying if it was useful 
> and answered the
> question.
> 
> Not hard to set up I would guess, but I know Michael has the 
> time, but this
> would be a useful feature and limit the number of "search for 
> it bozo"  and
> replace it with "look in the FAQ bozo" remarks. (ok, you dont 
> need to add
> bozo, you could add whatever remark you want)

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Re: FAQ?

[Mark Drew]

I still think the ability to mark a thread as a good solution to something
and add a title (like digg) would help.

Something along the lines of clicking on the signature of one post, adding
the title "Which WYSIWYG editors should I use?" and posting it to the FAQ,
it would would check to see if that thread is in the FAQ already, warn you,
let you know what title it went under (so that if the thread solves multiple
problems it can have another title) and allow you to add a new title or
cancel.

The FAQ entries can then just have something like digg uses which people
that have used the FAQ can vote by saying if it was useful and answered the
question.

Not hard to set up I would guess, but I know Michael has the time, but this
would be a useful feature and limit the number of "search for it bozo"  and
replace it with "look in the FAQ bozo" remarks. (ok, you dont need to add
bozo, you could add whatever remark you want)

MD

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> > There are MANY resources for CF out there, but I think you'll
> > have a hard time
> > finding any such repository.
> >
> > I say this because all of your items require opinions for answers.
> >
> > If folks could post "why", then you just end up with a mess
> > instead of what you
> > seem to be aiming for..."in this situation use this"
>
>
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RE: FAQ?

[Munson, Jacob]

> There are MANY resources for CF out there, but I think you'll 
> have a hard time 
> finding any such repository.
> 
> I say this because all of your items require opinions for answers.
> 
> If folks could post "why", then you just end up with a mess 
> instead of what you 
> seem to be aiming for..."in this situation use this"

I think this is a very good idea for a new community resource someone
should build.  I think the idea of allowing people to rate stuff would
help take care of the 'mess' you mentioned.  Similar to Amazon.com, you
could look at the frameworks section, for example, and see a star rating
for each item.  You could also see user comments sorted by highest
rating (people could rate the comments).  If the site had a blog
attached to it, the maintainer could keep people informed about the
site, which would also help keep it current and accurate.  Especially if
the blog is aggregated by feed-squirrel, mxna, and fullasagoog.


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RE: FAQ?

[Munson, Jacob]

I don't know what Email client you use, but I know that Thunderbird will
check RSS feeds.  Then you /could/ have the new items come to your
inbox, so to speak.  :) 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:26 AM
> 
> RSS is fine...but I find that I don't use them that much even 
> when I've
> subscribed...it's just something else I have to check.  I 
> prefer all the
> information
> I need to consolidate 
> in my inbox...

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Re: FAQ?

[Bryan Stevenson]

There are MANY resources for CF out there, but I think you'll have a hard time 
finding any such repository.

I say this because all of your items require opinions for answers.

If folks could post "why", then you just end up with a mess instead of what you 
seem to be aiming for..."in this situation use this"

my 2 cents

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Re: FAQ?

[Jeff Small]

cfjedimaster wrote:
> (of course only CFE makes sense)

*ducks behind the bar*


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Re: FAQ?

[Raymond Camden]

Such a document/site could be useful. Certainly there are many choices
for IDEs for example (of course only CFE makes sense), and someone
could compare/contract them. The same applies for database editors and
source control management programs.

As for where and what that resource would be - I'm not sure. It could
be useful blog entries obviously. You also have the ACME guide by
Stephen Collins. It doesn't offer alternatives, but does cover the
entire gamut of stuff you would need for CF development. I can't
recommend it enough: http://www.stephencollins.org/acme/

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> Your site addresses the 'how do i do this or that' question. What I want
> is a place where I can go to answer the 'what tools are there for my
> problem'.
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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

RSS is fine...but I find that I don't use them that much even when I've
subscribed...it's just something else I have to check.  I prefer all the
information
I need to consolidate 
in my inbox...

Rick

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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

I've considered a Subscribe mode for people who want to get informed on each
entry. Since the site has an RSS feed I figured it wasn't quite as critical.
But it would be nice to add email notification.

On 7/12/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I try all the time to convince my clients that while being on the 
> Internet on a website is a must, it's more important for marketing to 
> be in people's inboxes.
>
> Why not set up a "Tip of the Day" (or "Tip of the Week") and deliver 
> it to subscriber's inboxes, where they can then save the tips to 
> archives...searchable on their own systems.
>
> Also, when new tips are added, automatic email notice goes out to all 
> subscribers with information about the tip.
>
> Why wait for them to go to the site?  Take the material to 
> them...you're traffic will pick up a lot, I'll wager, too...
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FAQ?
>
> Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy 
> behind the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that 
> sounds egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish 
> what we consider best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no 
> brainiac.What I'm trying to get through is that what you see on the 
> cookbook site would be considered best practice, at least by myself, 
> Jeremy, and the other authors. (And again, I know the sites aren't
> perfect.)
>
> The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100 
> entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the 
> traffic is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive 
> some traffic to the site. :)
>
> On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and 
> > > www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
> > >
> > Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google 
> > better) I do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, 
> > more geared towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps 
> > you could add a function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 
> > 'this tip was useful to
> me'.
> >
> > Mingo.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Your site addresses the 'how do i do this or that' question. What I want 
is a place where I can go to answer the 'what tools are there for my 
problem'.
In order to find out what the _right_ tools are for a certain job, you 
need to at least know _which_ tools there are and to help you find out 
if they fit your job it helps to read about what other coldfusion 
programmers' experience has been with them.
Is that a possible extension to the cfcookbook project, a library of 
cf-related tools with user experiences?

Mingo.
ps. I'm promoting your site to my (not too many) coworkers.




Raymond Camden wrote:
> Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy
> behind the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that
> sounds egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish
> what we consider best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no
> brainiac.What I'm trying to get through is that what you see on the
> cookbook site would be considered best practice, at least by myself,
> Jeremy, and the other authors. (And again, I know the sites aren't
> perfect.)
>
> The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100
> entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the
> traffic is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive
> some traffic to the site. :)
>
> On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Raymond Camden wrote:
>> 
>>> While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and
>>> www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
>>>
>>>   
>> Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better) I
>> do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared
>> towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a
>> function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful to me'.
>>
>> Mingo.


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Re: FAQ?

[Raymond Camden]

I've considered a Subscribe mode for people who want to get informed
on each entry. Since the site has an RSS feed I figured it wasn't
quite as critical. But it would be nice to add email notification.

On 7/12/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I try all the time to convince my clients that while being on the Internet
> on a website is a must, it's more important for marketing to be in people's
> inboxes.
>
> Why not set up a "Tip of the Day" (or "Tip of the Week") and deliver it to
> subscriber's inboxes, where they can then save the tips to
> archives...searchable
> on their own systems.
>
> Also, when new tips are added, automatic email notice goes out to all
> subscribers
> with information about the tip.
>
> Why wait for them to go to the site?  Take the material to them...you're
> traffic will
> pick up a lot, I'll wager, too...
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FAQ?
>
> Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy behind
> the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that sounds
> egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish what we consider
> best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no brainiac.What I'm trying to
> get through is that what you see on the cookbook site would be considered
> best practice, at least by myself, Jeremy, and the other authors. (And
> again, I know the sites aren't
> perfect.)
>
> The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100
> entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the traffic
> is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive some traffic to
> the site. :)
>
> On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and
> > > www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
> > >
> > Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better)
> > I do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared
> > towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a
> > function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful to
> me'.
> >
> > Mingo.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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RE: FAQ?

[Ryan, Terrence]

I think another cool thing to point out about the ColdFusion Cookbook is
that you don't have to wait for Ray or Jeremy to speak Ex Cathedra about
the best practices.  Anyone can submit a page for consideration.  

Which is really cool, in my opinion, yours may vary.

Thanks for it, Ray. 

Terrence Ryan 
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-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy
behind the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that
sounds egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish what
we consider best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no
brainiac.What I'm trying to get through is that what you see on the
cookbook site would be considered best practice, at least by myself,
Jeremy, and the other authors. (And again, I know the sites aren't
perfect.)

The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100
entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the
traffic is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive some
traffic to the site. :)

On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raymond Camden wrote:
> > While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and 
> > www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
> >
> Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better) 
> I do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared 
> towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a

> function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful
to me'.
>
> Mingo.
>
>
> 



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RE: FAQ?

[Rick Faircloth]

I try all the time to convince my clients that while being on the Internet
on a website is a must, it's more important for marketing to be in people's
inboxes.

Why not set up a "Tip of the Day" (or "Tip of the Week") and deliver it to
subscriber's inboxes, where they can then save the tips to
archives...searchable
on their own systems.

Also, when new tips are added, automatic email notice goes out to all
subscribers
with information about the tip.

Why wait for them to go to the site?  Take the material to them...you're
traffic will
pick up a lot, I'll wager, too...

Rick



-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ?

Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy behind
the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that sounds
egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish what we consider
best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no brainiac.What I'm trying to
get through is that what you see on the cookbook site would be considered
best practice, at least by myself, Jeremy, and the other authors. (And
again, I know the sites aren't
perfect.)

The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100
entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the traffic
is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive some traffic to
the site. :)

On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raymond Camden wrote:
> > While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and 
> > www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
> >
> Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better) 
> I do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared 
> towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a 
> function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful to
me'.
>
> Mingo.
>
>
> 



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Re: FAQ?

[Raymond Camden]

Speaking just for myself (www.coldfusioncookbook.com), my philosophy
behind the site is that every answer is the best. Now - I know that
sounds egotistical. What I meant is, like CFLib, we try to publish
what we consider best practice 100% of the time. Obviously I'm no
brainiac.What I'm trying to get through is that what you see on the
cookbook site would be considered best practice, at least by myself,
Jeremy, and the other authors. (And again, I know the sites aren't
perfect.)

The cookbook site seems to almost be in stealth mode.We have over 100
entries, all available via PDF, so the content is growing, but the
traffic is still a bit light. Hopefully these posts will help drive
some traffic to the site. :)

On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raymond Camden wrote:
> > While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and
> > www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
> >
> Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better) I
> do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared
> towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a
> function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful to me'.
>
> Mingo.
>
>
> 

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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Raymond Camden wrote:
> While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and
> www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.
>   
Well... this is almost exactly what i meant (I need to google better) I 
do miss some stuff like I mentioned in my other mails, more geared 
towards different solutions to one problem and perhaps you could add a 
function (like on imdb.com) where users can say 'this tip was useful to me'.

Mingo.


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Re: FAQ?

[Raymond Camden]

While they don't say "best", there is cffaq.com from Ben Forta and
www.coldfusioncookbook.com from myself and Jeremy Petersen.

On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a place to get stuff settled (and don't say the cf-talk search
> function), stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea,
> TinyMCE, etc.), what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), what
> mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled
> issues? And all that geared towards coldfusion. Perhaps a place were
> users can vote, and add explanations as to why they choose A over B.
>
> If there's not such a place, is there any interest in it?
>
>
> Mingo.
>
>
> 

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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Hi Mark (and Tom),
> Not being stupid but coulnt HoF add a link to the signature of an email that
> when something is an answer or a good FAQ, it can be clicked and it then
> adds it to a page with FAQ's? All you would need to add is the Question and
> a link to the conversation?
That would have my preference as well.
And in response to Tom, I know there is no such thing as _the_ best, and 
that a lot has to do with your needs and skills, but I would at least 
like to see how many people back one solution and it might settle some 
of the recurring issues on this mailing list (like the framework 
question and the ajaxcfc vs cfajax vs the rest.)
It won't take away the question of which is best, but this way you can 
at least see what's used most. And for the less used options a comment 
like structure could be used where users can post there good or bad 
experiences with it.


Some ideas:

Frameworks:
- Fusebox (1,2,3,4,5)
- Mach II
- ModelGlue
- Roll-your-own
- More?

Editors:
- CFStudio
- Homesite+
- Dreamweaver
- CFEclipse
- Vi
- etc.

HTML Editors:
- FCKEditor
- HTMLArea
- TinyMCE
- Ektron
- More?

Ajax Frameworks
- AjaxCFC
- CFAjax
- JSMX
- Spry
- Roll-your-own
- more

Other unsettled issues (probably a lot)? Please post yours.


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Re: FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Hi Tom,
> But, I take your point, that somewhere where 'How do I use gpg' or 'what HTML 
> WYSIWYG editors work well with CF' would be useful.
I wasn't looking for a how-to-implement-site, but more a 
what-is-the-general-consensus site.
A place where all the options are laid out for you given a certain 
problem, with stats next to it as to who uses what the most.

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Re: FAQ?

[Tom Chiverton]

On Wednesday 12 July 2006 09:48, Mingo Hagen wrote:
> stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea,
> TinyMCE, etc.), 

There is no such thing as 'best'. There is 'most suited to whatever your needs 
are'.

> what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), 

Technically, those are both programs with implement a particular standard of a 
particular type of encryption (the OpenPGP standard for public-key 
encryption) :-}

> mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled 

Again, your best is not my best.
I still swear by Sendmail, though almost everyone else is I know is on 
Postfix, for instance.

But, I take your point, that somewhere where 'How do I use gpg' or 'what HTML 
WYSIWYG editors work well with CF' would be useful.

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Re: FAQ?

[Mark Drew]

Not being stupid but coulnt HoF add a link to the signature of an email that
when something is an answer or a good FAQ, it can be clicked and it then
adds it to a page with FAQ's? All you would need to add is the Question and
a link to the conversation?

MD

On 7/12/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't know of anything yet, but I'd be interested in it.
>
> On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there a place to get stuff settled (and don't say the cf-talk search
> > function), stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea,
> > TinyMCE, etc.), what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), what
> > mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled
> > issues? And all that geared towards coldfusion. Perhaps a place were
> > users can vote, and add explanations as to why they choose A over B.
> >
> > If there's not such a place, is there any interest in it?
>
> --
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> http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/
>
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Re: FAQ?

[James Holmes]

I don't know of anything yet, but I'd be interested in it.

On 7/12/06, Mingo Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a place to get stuff settled (and don't say the cf-talk search
> function), stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea,
> TinyMCE, etc.), what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), what
> mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled
> issues? And all that geared towards coldfusion. Perhaps a place were
> users can vote, and add explanations as to why they choose A over B.
>
> If there's not such a place, is there any interest in it?

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FAQ?

[Mingo Hagen]

Hi all,

Is there a place to get stuff settled (and don't say the cf-talk search 
function), stuff like what is the best wysiwyg editor (FCK, HTMLArea, 
TinyMCE, etc.), what kind of encryption to use (PGP, GPG), what 
mailserver works best with CF, what FTP server, any other unsettled 
issues? And all that geared towards coldfusion. Perhaps a place were 
users can vote, and add explanations as to why they choose A over B.

If there's not such a place, is there any interest in it?


Mingo.


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Re: FAQ: Client vs Session (vs Cookie) variables?

[Rick Root]

Damien McKenna wrote:
>  
> - What are the differences between Session and Client variables?

Session variables are stored in memory on the server.  If you have a 
very busy web site with many active sessions, and you make heavy use of 
session variables, you can use a LOT of memory.  Session variables are 
maintained only as long as the session is maintained.  By default, 
session variables are lost after 20 minutes of inactivity.

Client variables are stored in the system registry (or optionally in a 
database of your choosing).  They are associated with a specific client, 
and persist beyond the browser session.

Never in my 7 years of CF programming have I used Client variables.  So 
I can't really speak much to their use.

Session variables can store just about anything - including complex 
variables, objects, queries, etc.

Client variables can only store simple variables.

There's a lot of good information in the manual "Developing Coldfusion 
MX Applications With CFML"

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FAQ: Client vs Session (vs Cookie) variables?

[Damien McKenna]

Could someone please enlighten me to the differences between client and
session variables?  I thought I understood them but apparently am
missing something with regards to ColdFusion's handling of them.
Specifically:
 
- What are the differences between Session and Client variables?
 
I hadn't realized that there were client variables as well as session
and cookie variables, I always considered client variables to be
analogous to cookies.
 
I guess my question comes down to this: if we have session variables why
do we need the client variables?  If I only use session variables in my
code can I completely disable client variables?
 
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CF Help System and/or FAQ system

[Jake]

Does anyone know of any good (hopefully free) CF applications or tags
for handling a Web site's help functions? Could be as simple as a FAQ
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New ColdFusion MX FAQ available for using the CFMX Connector

[Steven Erat]

Hello,
 
Just wanted to inform everyone that there is a new FAQ available for using the CFMX 
Connector (aka wsconfig).
 
 FAQ for ColdFusion MX connector configuration 
 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/connector_install_faq.htm 
<http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/connector_install_faq.htm> 
 

Please also review the CFMX Updater 3 release notes for information on important bug 
fixes regarding stability, performance, and other  issues, if you haven't done so 
already.
 
 CFMX Updater3 Release Notes 
 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx_updater.html
 
<http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx_updater.html>
 
 
     CFMX Updater 3 FAQ
 http://www.macromedia.com <http://www.macromedia.com> 
 

For those on Linux and Unix, don't forget to review the ColdFusion MX on Linux 
Technote, renamed to:
 
 ColdFusion MX support on Linux and Unix with Apache 
 http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn18340.htm 
<http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn18340.htm> 
 

Thank you,
 
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Uncle Ben's FAQ

[Erika L. Walker-Arnold]

FYI:

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RE: Cold Fusion Marking Information (CF-Talk FAQ)

[Chris Lofback]

D'oh!  I've used that FAQ many times in the past but never knew it was the
"official" CF-Talk FAQ.

Well, if that's the CF-Talk FAQ, why not just refer people to it when they
post such questions?  (Although, according to the date, it *is* a year out
of date...)

Chris Lofback
Sr. Web Developer

TRX Integration
28051 US 19 N., Ste. C
Clearwater, FL  33761
www.trxi.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Marking Information


Look down. Way down. Down at the bottom of every post. Tell me what you see.
:)


> We *really* need a CF-Talk FAQ for questions like this (and many others
like
> it).  Is there one?  Or has there ever been one?
> 
> Chris Lofback
> Sr. Web Developer
> 
> TRX Integration
> 28051 US 19 N., Ste. C
> Clearwater, FL  33761
> www.trxi.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:52 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Marking Information
> 
> 
> www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists
> You might want to check the archives as this has been asked, discussed and
> beaten to death many times before. 
> 
> 
> > Does anyone know where I could get a bunch of information about cold
> fusion,
> > why it is great, the benefits, number of developers and the whole story.
> > 
> > CF vs. ASP
> > CF vs. .net
> > CF Vs PHP
> > etc
> > 
> > I need to make a case for a potential client why to develop in CF.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Matthew Friedman
> > GTF Systems, LLC
> > 15 Cherry Street
> > Danvers, MA 01923
> > Telephone (978) 739-9440, ext.22
> > www.gtfsystems.com <http://www.gtfsystems.com>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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FW: CF-Linux FAQ

[Jesse Noller]

Jesse Noller
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Hey all-


I'm once again asking for your help, I'm compiling a list of common
questions that face cf-linux users. Please forward me those questions you
feel should be in an easy to find FAQ, and I'll include them. 

Heh, and if you have the answers, send those to me too!


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RE: FAQ link is dead

[Brian Fox]

Oops.  I think whatever processes the list messed up my original message. Is
there a mirror for the faq listed (hopefully) below?

Thanks.

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> Subject: FAQ link is dead
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> >
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Re: FAQ link is dead

[Howie Hamlin]

It works from here...

Howie

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[Brian Fox]

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ColdFusion FAQ updated

[Aidan Whitehall]

Yes folks, the ColdFusion FAQ at
http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq/
has had a sizable update.

And all existing users can upgrade for free!



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RE: OT (was Re: Filtering FAQ)

[Erika L Walker]

>>-Original Message-
>>From: Michael Dinowitz
>>My opinion is that we should move to the CF-Community list if we're going
to be doing more
>>lightening up today (or any day). Of course, they're all very light there
any day. Dancing horses,
>>bad jokes, and every other OT thing you can imagine. The community is very
strong and weirder
>>than you can imagine.

Hmm

** nods head solemnly **

Yes pretty kiddies, come on over to CF-Communitywhere even the aliens
like to hang out and play...it everything your mother warned you about
and more! 

Erika
(with a *K*)

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power, and magic in it." - Goethe


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Filtering FAQ)

My opinion is that we should move to the CF-Community list if we're going to
be doing more lightening up today (or any day). Of course, they're all very
light there any day. Dancing horses, bad jokes, and every other OT thing you
can imagine. The community is very strong and weirder than you can imagine.
>
> :)
>
> Just trying to lighten it up on a Monday, folks
>
>
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RE: OT (was Re: Filtering FAQ)

[Dave Watts]

> Even after his needlessly contrarian - and ultimately 
> incorrect - stance on the Hosting Edition?
> 
> :)
> 
> Just trying to lighten it up on a Monday, folks

While remaining in this lighter vein, I'd argue that my stance wasn't
necessarily incorrect. Just because MM changed their minds doesn't mean that
they should have, although, from the perspective of my own greedy
self-interest, I'm glad they did.

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Re: OT (was Re: Filtering FAQ)

[Michael Dinowitz]

*** Team Allaire ***
> > 5. In the future, the best posters may also get a banner with something
like
> > Team ColdFusion or the like. Dave (CFPoster supreme) Watts is at the top
of
> > that list.
>
> Even after his needlessly contrarian - and ultimately incorrect - stance
on the Hosting Edition?
Everyone deserver an opinion or two. My opinion is that we should move to
the CF-Community list if we're going to be doing more lightening up today
(or any day). Of course, they're all very light there any day. Dancing
horses, bad jokes, and every other OT thing you can imagine. The community
is very strong and weirder than you can imagine.
>
> :)
>
> Just trying to lighten it up on a Monday, folks
>
>
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OT (was Re: Filtering FAQ)

[Chris Colón]

> 5. In the future, the best posters may also get a banner with something like
> Team ColdFusion or the like. Dave (CFPoster supreme) Watts is at the top of
> that list.

Even after his needlessly contrarian - and ultimately incorrect - stance on the 
Hosting Edition?

:)

Just trying to lighten it up on a Monday, folks


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Filtering FAQ

[Michael Dinowitz]

*** Team Allaire ***
1. All mail to the House of Fusion lists is filtered to remove HTML
formatting, attachments and other non-needed and/or potentially dangerous
material.
2. All posts have the list that it was posted to in the TO header. For
example, all posts to CF-Talk will have a TO field of
 CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Macromedia employees who post from a macromedia.com address will have a
'banner' at the top of the post saying that they are representatives of
Macromedia. Ben posting from his own site will have to be recognized on name
value alone. ;)
4. Team Allaire members will have a banner saying that they are Team Allaire
members.
5. In the future, the best posters may also get a banner with something like
Team ColdFusion or the like. Dave (CFPoster supreme) Watts is at the top of
that list.
6. We've tried to have a subject prefix of [cf-talk] and the like in the
past and it was rejected by the community. It will not be tried again.
Filtering on the TO field works for all mail readers (even if you've rolled
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Re: Where is the link to the FAQ???

[Jeffry Houser]

http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html

I didn't notice it before, but..  I wonder why it was put on Allaire's 
web site as opposed to Macromedia's?

At 10:14 AM 04/29/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>I searched the CFTalk email, Allaire's web site, and Macromedia's web
>site for the CF5 Hosting License FAQ that everyone is referring to.
>Where is it  Where are the original pre-announcements (the
>source)???  All I see are quotes and responses on CFTalk.
>
>Thanks.
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Where is the link to the FAQ???

[Eric Root]

I searched the CFTalk email, Allaire's web site, and Macromedia's web
site for the CF5 Hosting License FAQ that everyone is referring to.
Where is it  Where are the original pre-announcements (the
source)???  All I see are quotes and responses on CFTalk.

Thanks.
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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Dave Watts]

> it's expensive. it's in the same realm as weblogic. dynamo is 
> a VERY high-end application server. like most of these kinds of 
> products, you have to call someone to get pricing.

 and if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Howie Hamlin]

Thanks - that's what I figured.  There's always Orion which, I think, has a
similar feature set...

Regards,

Howie

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> it's expensive. it's in the same realm as weblogic. dynamo is a VERY
> high-end application server. like most of these kinds of products, you
have
> to call someone to get pricing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> How much does this cost?  I coldn't find it on their web site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
> On-Line Data Solutions, Inc.
> www.CoolFusion.com
> 631-737-4668 x101
> inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Intelligent Mail Server
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dylan Bromby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:05 PM
> Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> > also check out dynamo at www.atg.com.
> >
>
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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Dylan Bromby]

it's expensive. it's in the same realm as weblogic. dynamo is a VERY
high-end application server. like most of these kinds of products, you have
to call someone to get pricing.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


How much does this cost?  I coldn't find it on their web site.

Thanks,

Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
On-Line Data Solutions, Inc.
www.CoolFusion.com
631-737-4668 x101
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Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> also check out dynamo at www.atg.com.
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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Howie Hamlin]

How much does this cost?  I coldn't find it on their web site.

Thanks,

Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
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Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> also check out dynamo at www.atg.com.
> 


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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Jim McAtee]

> As a consumer, yes, I'd be willing to pay $5 or $10 more per month in
order
> NOT to have to tie up my hosting provider's tech support lines with "It's
> down again".  I just went through a very frustrating situation with a CF
> Host where they were trying their hardest to fix the problem and the
server
> didn't want to act nice.

Unfortunately for Macromedia, this is NOT the right time to introduce a
substantial price hike for hosting providers.  Many are totally fed up with
the problems they've had with CF.  Even those that haven't had problems
cross their fingers and wonder what they've done right.  Trying to convince
these providers that CF will magically become faster and more stable, while
at the same time asking them to bend over and take it, is going to be
marketing feat that I'd like see MM pull off.

I'd be very wary of how your hosting company is going receive this wonderful
news.  My guess it that they'll be:

1. Staying at CF 4.5 and fading out CF services.  After CF 5 has been out
for a few months, certainly once CF 5.5 or CF 6 comes out, advertising CF
4.5 hosting would be suicidal, like advertising that your servers run NT
3.5.

2. Raising hosting prices AND packing more sites onto shared servers.  This
is good news for consumers?


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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Ken Wilson]

> also check out dynamo at www.atg.com.



While I've not been involved in a project with Dynamo, I would have to ask
whether it and CF are actually aimed at the same market as Seva was implying
with the others. ATG, BEA and IBM solutions all have an excellent
reputations and are very capable (more appropriate for some projects than
CF) but the characterization that was being portrayed of Macromedias
position in the marketplace and what they are doing struck me as driven more
by anger/dissapointment over pricing changes than reality of the
marketplace.

Ken



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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Dylan Bromby]

also check out dynamo at www.atg.com.

-Original Message-
From: Seva Petrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> Can you provide a few concrete examples of these alternative
> solutions that are more widely distributed, recognized and
> reputable?

Sure:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/
http://www.bea.com/products/weblogic/server/index.shtml
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/features/application.asp

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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Ken Wilson]

> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/
> http://www.bea.com/products/weblogic/server/index.shtml
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/features/application.asp



That explains your outlook a bit. Based on Macromedia/Allaire statements
since the merger, MS is the only one from that list that targets the same
market that CF is aimed at. Functionality, of course, is similar amongst
them all with each having it's own strength. BEA and IBM solutions both
carry higher price tags just to get in the door without even considering the
cost/time to actually deliver a completed solution. Vendor support in each
case varies widely. And I can't remember the last time I saw a hosting
provider that offered shared hosting services with BEA or WebSphere...there
must be a few somewhere. I would also question the "more widely deployed"
and "more experienced" aspects of your concerns when comparing CF to each of
these. (ASP being more widely deployed since you get it with NT whether you
want it or not, of course).

Ken




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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Seva Petrov]

> Can you provide a few concrete examples of these alternative 
> solutions that are more widely distributed, recognized and 
> reputable?

Sure:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/appserv/
http://www.bea.com/products/weblogic/server/index.shtml
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/features/application.asp

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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Ken Wilson]

> What Macromedia appears to be doing with
> ColdFusion is position the product as an alternative to widely recognized,
> widely deployed solutions by other, larger, more successful, reputable and
> experienced vendors.




Can you provide a few concrete examples of these alternative solutions that
are more widely distributed, recognized and reputable?

Ken


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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Seva Petrov]

> > That's why you might not want to be locked into a solution from a
> > small-time, unpredictable vendor who tries to compete with some of the
> > bigger players in an industry where it has no respect, no brand-name
> > recognition and very little developer support.
>
> Is this how you describe Macromedia/Allaire? If so, I have to
> question what planet you're from. While PHP would fall into the
> category if there were actually a "vendor", Macromedia/Allaire/CF
> can't accurately be  described in that manner.

While it is true that "enterprise" acceptance of PHP remains limited
compared to ASP or Java, the technology is not being distributed with a
single target market in mind. What Macromedia appears to be doing with
ColdFusion is position the product as an alternative to widely recognized,
widely deployed solutions by other, larger, more successful, reputable and
experienced vendors. In that market, they are small-time and unpredictable -
not the least because of Allaire's history of releasing poorly tested
software while not providing the kind of support that is expected from an
"enterprise" vendor. Combine this with the uncertainty and personnel
problems inevitably associated with any merger/acquisition, and chances are
CF5 will be pushed to market with enough bugs to bring back the grand old
4.0 and 4.5 days.

It would not be in Macromedia's best interest to price itself out of the
lower half of the market, while never gaining acceptance in the upper half.
They have neither the goodwill nor sufficiently unique technology to take
that risk.

Cheers,
Seva Petrov


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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Ken Wilson]

> That's why you might not want to be locked into a solution from a
> small-time, unpredictable vendor who tries to compete with some of the
> bigger players in an industry where it has no respect, no brand-name
> recognition and very little developer support.



Is this how you describe Macromedia/Allaire? If so, I have to question what
planet you're from. While PHP would fall into the category if there were
actually a "vendor", Macromedia/Allaire/CF can't accurately be described in
that manner.

Ken




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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Seva Petrov]

> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> On all 4 servers I've seen one similariaty:  If you load the
> server down too badly, or if there is a case where one of the
> 150-200 other sites hosting in a shared environment "blows up".
> If there's something that's going to reduce the hair-loss
> progression of a server admin, then I'm personally all for it.

Given Allaire's past performance and Macromedia's lacking record in the
application server market, I doubt the first release of CF5 will have
anywhere near "enterprise" stability. Nothing but an informed opinion, of
course, but with the snafus surrounding 4.5 (that's a .5 release, not a new
version!) and Allaire's inability/unwillingness to issue timely patches, I
will not rush to recommend shelling out a minimum of 6k per box on an
unproven product from a vendor that's been proven deficient many times.

How many sites can one host on a dual proc CF5 box? How many more sites can
one host on a similar Apache/PHP or IIS/ASP box? PHP4 and ASP are tested,
trusted and well-supported technologies. CF5 is not. Macromedia's arrogance
in assuming that they can shove their new pricing structure down the throats
of those they think are locked into their product is unwarranted and
short-sighted.

> advertising costs money.  It's all relative to the importance of
> what you're offering to the customer and where you want to position
> yourself in the market.

True. That's why you might not want to be locked into a solution from a
small-time, unpredictable vendor who tries to compete with some of the
bigger players in an industry where it has no respect, no brand-name
recognition and very little developer support. The next 12-18 months will
show if Macromedia stays commited to ColdFusion and manages to stay in
business. Alienating the small-business market that drives (from what I've
seen) a lot of their sales is not a smart move when most of the "enterprise"
market would not even consider ColdFusion as a viable alternative to
competing technologies.

> As a consumer, yes, I'd be willing to pay $5 or $10 more per
> month in order NOT to have to tie up my hosting provider's tech
> support lines with "It's down again".

I would not. I'd rather host cheaply with a UNIX host offering PHP with once
in a blue moon maintenance reboots or a serious W2k provider running
technologies native to the platform.

> To look at this in another light, how many people have you heard say, "I'm
> not upgrading to (Insert ANY Windows Release here) when it comes out, they
> want too much money for it."  A year later they're boasting the
> latest box!

The difference being, of course, that Windows is the dominant platform in
many markets and new versions offer tangible benefits (I'm not talking about
consumer Windows). On the other hand, when deciding to select a platform for
a fresh deployment, Windows loses a lot of its appeal given currently
available alternatives. And so does ColdFusion.

Cheers,
Seva Petrov


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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[C. Hatton Humphrey]

> Improving reliability out of the box...jesus, even the damn phrase is
> getting me pissed off. It's an arrogant cocky ignorant thing to say to a
> server admin who gets up at 3am to check why the smtp server all of the
> sudden stopped responding for 3 minutes. Only to find out it
> fixed itself by
> the time I bump myself to the computer.

Jon, you misunderstood what I was saying.  I've only had to deal with three
CF web hosting services and one dedicated CF Server in the last year an a
half: one for myself (shared), two "Big Boy" operated shared hosts (I refuse
to post names to the list, if someone wants to know which two they are I can
respond off-list) and the dedicated server where I work now.

On all 4 servers I've seen one similariaty:  If you load the server down too
badly, or if there is a case where one of the 150-200 other sites hosting in
a shared environment "blows up".  If there's something that's going to
reduce the hair-loss progression of a server admin, then I'm personally all
for it.

Fiscally, yes, upgrading costs money.  It costs money to provide your
customers with quad-processor boxes and the latest version of Windows 2000
and SQL Server 2000.  Bandwidth costs money, rackspace costs money and even
advertising costs money.  It's all relative to the importance of what you're
offering to the customer and where you want to position yourself in the
market.  (Geez, I sound worse than my business professor from a few years
back... maybe I need to switch to decaf!)

As a consumer, yes, I'd be willing to pay $5 or $10 more per month in order
NOT to have to tie up my hosting provider's tech support lines with "It's
down again".  I just went through a very frustrating situation with a CF
Host where they were trying their hardest to fix the problem and the server
didn't want to act nice.  It turned out they hadn't installed SP 2 and there
was something one of the 175 sites that was hosted on that machine had done
that was causing the "Unknown Parser Error", and it was reappearing every
day for 30 days straight.  Thanks to this list and some off-list contacts we
were able to resolve the problem, but it was a frustrating experience for
them as well as for me.

To look at this in another light, how many people have you heard say, "I'm
not upgrading to (Insert ANY Windows Release here) when it comes out, they
want too much money for it."  A year later they're boasting the latest box!
Things are relative.

With that, I'm going to end my additions to this thread.  I aplologise for
any toes my expression of opinion may have stepped on... any replies I post
to this thread from now out will go to personal e-mails, not back to the
list.

Hatton Humphrey


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Re: CF5 Hosting License FAQ

[Bud]

On 4/27/01, Chris Colón penned:
>"Shared server hosting services" refers to the practice of hosting 
>multiple applications, each created by a different third party, on a 
>single server.
>Shared server hosting is different from dedicated hosting services, in
>that a single server hosts one or more applications created by a 
>single third party.

OK, so I have a web server and basically all the CF apps on it were 
created by me although some of them were tied into websites that were 
already built. So what is considered the application? The CF app 
itself or the overall website? I have a couple sites with 
applications that were built then moved to my server. However before 
anything goes live on my server I go in, go through the application 
and make any necessary changes to make it run safely on my server. 
Does that mean I "helped" to build it and thus it falls under the 
definition of built by a single party? Suppose I don't want or can't 
afford all the functionality of CF Enterprise? Which I don't and 
can't. That's why I bought Pro and not Enterprise. Why WON'T they 
offer a hosting license for the Pro version for maybe 1,500 or 2,000?

6k is way too much. I licensed unlimited client access to SQL 
2000 for 4,100, albeit that is per processor so I had to resort to 
buying a single processor box for it. I could have licensed SQL 
Enterprise for 28k. At least MS gave me a choice.

Once I got to 50 or 60 CF sites on my server I was planning on buying 
a new box and buying another copy of CF. I guess I'll either have to:

a) Buy a copy or 2 of 4.5 now and HOPE I need them someday.
  b) Go back to reselling services on an overloaded CF host's server, 
which is why I bought my own server in the first place, to get away 
from overloaded server's like many CF hosts put you on.
c) Learn another language.
-- 

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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Jon Hall]

I meant 5 hours downtime...doh!

jon
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License



> As a smaller hoster whos web servers have excellent uptime, 5 hours total
in
> 2000! We get calls all the time from people talking about the
unreliability



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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[ibtoad]

This is very disturbing, as a new CF developer who was very excited about
its future, I am now reevaluating the languange I will specialize in.

:-<
Rich

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License



- Original Message -
From: "Steve Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:50 AM
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> The Server Hosting license is a 20% price increase for hosting. If you are
> unlucky enough to host on a quad processor Compaq box, the cost for a
> license just went up a whopping 140%. This is not what we needed.
>
>  - Steve

It is very bad news and a remarkabley stupid move on their part, I really
don't think the British hosting companies are going to go for that sort of
price hike so - it may be time for me to leave CF...

> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
> Provider edition available at:
> http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
> posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
> here.
>
> I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read
like
> an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
> reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big
plus.
> I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections
department
> and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the
server
> hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
> stabilize things a bit.
>
> (*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)
>
> Enjoy the weekend!
> Hatton Humphrey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
> enough for the weekend.
>
>
> > > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> > this.
> > > Stay tuned.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning
our
> > alternatives?  :)
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Wayne Putterill]

- Original Message -
From: "Steve Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:50 AM
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> The Server Hosting license is a 20% price increase for hosting. If you are
> unlucky enough to host on a quad processor Compaq box, the cost for a
> license just went up a whopping 140%. This is not what we needed.
>
>  - Steve

It is very bad news and a remarkabley stupid move on their part, I really
don't think the British hosting companies are going to go for that sort of
price hike so - it may be time for me to leave CF...

> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
> Provider edition available at:
> http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
> posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
> here.
>
> I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read
like
> an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
> reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big
plus.
> I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections
department
> and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the
server
> hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
> stabilize things a bit.
>
> (*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)
>
> Enjoy the weekend!
> Hatton Humphrey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
> enough for the weekend.
>
>
> > > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> > this.
> > > Stay tuned.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning
our
> > alternatives?  :)
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Joseph Thompson]

lol

ok, maybe to the list then.

Still... the stretch from a very small business (like mine) to a web host is
a step that is no longer an option.

Very disappointed



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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Joseph Thompson]

I didn't have the balls to post this to the list.  (still don't) but I think
you just nailed it.

I ws actually saving up to buy an actual license and server this fall but...


>
> I wonder how many CF'rs will now be consulting with Ivanapulo? :-)
>



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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Stephen M Aylor]

Let's just say I'm no longer LONG on my MACR stock position.

I thought only Adobe could fornicate a wet dream this bad (acrobat),
Macrallaire has just taken white board marketing genius to a new level.

Phhttt!

I wonder how many CF'rs will now be consulting with Ivanapulo? :-)

Steve


- Original Message -
From: "Steve Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> Worse news. If I understand the fact correctly and remember current
pricing,
> if you are hosting company using 4.5 PRO, your costs just went up 300% if
> you want to move to 5.0. No volume pricing in the world is going to make
up
> for a 300% price increase.
>
> No matter how you slice it, hosting prices just went up when the price for
> the server license really needed to go down.
>
> If increasing the price of licenses for server hosting is really going to
> improve the revenue stream, market share, and profitability for
Macromedia,
> the market price of MACR stock should take an up tick next week. So by the
> middle of next week, we should see what the folks on Wall Street think
about
> this price increase. I am guessing that most hosting companies are going
to
> hate the idea.
>
> 'night
>
>  - Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> The Server Hosting license is a 20% price increase for hosting. If you are
> unlucky enough to host on a quad processor Compaq box, the cost for a
> license just went up a whopping 140%. This is not what we needed.
>
>  - Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
> Provider edition available at:
> http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
> posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
> here.
>
> I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read
like
> an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
> reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big
plus.
> I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections
department
> and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the
server
> hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
> stabilize things a bit.
>
> (*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)
>
> Enjoy the weekend!
> Hatton Humphrey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
> enough for the weekend.
>
>
> > > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> > this.
> > > Stay tuned.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning
our
> > alternatives?  :)
> >
> >
> >
>
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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Steve Pierce]

Worse news. If I understand the fact correctly and remember current pricing,
if you are hosting company using 4.5 PRO, your costs just went up 300% if
you want to move to 5.0. No volume pricing in the world is going to make up
for a 300% price increase.

No matter how you slice it, hosting prices just went up when the price for
the server license really needed to go down.

If increasing the price of licenses for server hosting is really going to
improve the revenue stream, market share, and profitability for Macromedia,
the market price of MACR stock should take an up tick next week. So by the
middle of next week, we should see what the folks on Wall Street think about
this price increase. I am guessing that most hosting companies are going to
hate the idea.

'night

 - Steve



-Original Message-
From: Steve Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


The Server Hosting license is a 20% price increase for hosting. If you are
unlucky enough to host on a quad processor Compaq box, the cost for a
license just went up a whopping 140%. This is not what we needed.

 - Steve



-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
Provider edition available at:
http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
here.

I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read like
an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big plus.
I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections department
and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the server
hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
stabilize things a bit.

(*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)

Enjoy the weekend!
Hatton Humphrey

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
enough for the weekend.


> > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> this.
> > Stay tuned.
>
>
>
> Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning our
> alternatives?  :)
>
>
>
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RE: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Steve Pierce]

The Server Hosting license is a 20% price increase for hosting. If you are
unlucky enough to host on a quad processor Compaq box, the cost for a
license just went up a whopping 140%. This is not what we needed.

 - Steve



-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
Provider edition available at:
http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
here.

I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read like
an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big plus.
I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections department
and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the server
hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
stabilize things a bit.

(*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)

Enjoy the weekend!
Hatton Humphrey

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
enough for the weekend.


> > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> this.
> > Stay tuned.
>
>
>
> Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning our
> alternatives?  :)
>
>
>
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Re: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Jon Hall]

Ok, to raise the reliability of hosting providers you think that raising the
price will help? . So theorhetically now hosters with smaller budgets who
have less expensive / reliable servers wont offer CF Hosting and all of the
sudden CF Servers dont crash?
As a smaller hoster whos web servers have excellent uptime, 5 hours total in
2000! We get calls all the time from people talking about the unreliability
of some of the larger hosters servers. Got two seperate calls in the last
two days about a certain CF host who advertises in CFDev Journal as a matter
of fact...I bet they are gonna offer CF5 shared hosting too. We wont.

Macromedia pricing out the little guys does nothing to increase the
reliability of hosting, it only decreases competition, which lowers overall
quality in the long run.

Improving reliability out of the box...jesus, even the damn phrase is
getting me pissed off. It's an arrogant cocky ignorant thing to say to a
server admin who gets up at 3am to check why the smtp server all of the
sudden stopped responding for 3 minutes. Only to find out it fixed itself by
the time I bump myself to the computer.

Woohoo! Macromedia raised their prices, my servers wont talk to me anymore
like in those MS commercials! What a load of bs.

jon
- Original Message -
From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
> Provider edition available at:
> http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
> posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
> here.
>
> I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read
like
> an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
> reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big
plus.
> I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections
department
> and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the
server
> hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
> stabilize things a bit.
>
> (*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)
>
> Enjoy the weekend!
> Hatton Humphrey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
> enough for the weekend.
>
>
> > > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> > this.
> > > Stay tuned.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning
our
> > alternatives?  :)
> >
> >
> >
>
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FAQ POSTED: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[C. Hatton Humphrey]

There is now an official definition of the Cold Fusion 5.0 Hosting Service
Provider edition available at:
http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html.  It was
posted on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm suprised it didn't make it
here.

I'm glad I waited to chime in... this is actually looking to me to read like
an improvement rather than a money grab.  Anything to improve the
reliability "out of the box" for any of the hosting providers is a big plus.
I've dealt with two, one that didn't care beyond the collections department
and another that bent over backwards to help.  In both instances the server
hit periods of problematic operation.  Now I'm hoping this version will
stabilize things a bit.

(*resubmits his purchase request for the CF Developers Cert Study Guide*)

Enjoy the weekend!
Hatton Humphrey

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


A/MM just posted to the list a nice rundown on what's happening. Close
enough for the weekend.


> > Don't panic yet. I believe a FAQ is in the works that will explain all
> this.
> > Stay tuned.
>
>
>
> Ahh, but will the FAQ arrive before we all spend the weekend planning our
> alternatives?  :)
>
>
>
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CF5 Hosting License FAQ

[Chris Colón]

As promised, I just got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] apologizing for the 
confusion and pointing to this
FAQ.  Looks like the price is being bumped up to $6k, or more (with more CPUs):
http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html

It still looks like the Hosting and Enterprise versions will be identical, 
feature-wise.  Unfortunately, it doesn't
really answer, in unambiguous terms, who exactly it applies to:

What is a "shared server hosting service"?

"Shared server hosting services" refers to the practice of hosting multiple 
applications, each created by a
different third party, on a single server. Shared server hosting is different from 
dedicated hosting services, in
that a single server hosts one or more applications created by a single third party. 
Shared server hosting is also
different from the Application Service Provider (ASP) model in that an ASP rents 
access to an application created
by the ASP to third parties who use it. The Hosting Service Provider Edition license 
applies specifically to shared
server hosting services as defined above.


What about a single company who builds multiple sites for different customers?  All of 
the applications are being
built BY the same 3rd party, just not FOR the same 3rd party..

The most disturbing part is that hosting providers who purchased a subscription, under 
the assumption that their
subscription would allow them to continue to substantially conduct business with the 
new CF5, are now forced to
upgrade. Ouch.


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