Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-23 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Well the goal was sort of worthy"the squeaky wheel gets the oil" and all
that ;-)

I still think the program is worth the money even though nobody ever likes
to get less stuff for more money.  I'm sure it's just MM's way of trying to
stop everybody from using NFR software for development purposes.  It's a WAY
better method than say the Win XP registration/big brother approach ;-)

It all comes down to whether or not you can handle some poor communication
and lack of organization while the merger wrinkles get ironed out, and if
the money is worth the software/exposure/new licenses/credibility etc.

Merry Ho-Ho all

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Allaire Alliance Partner
www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> > Honestly my goal was not to get the software, my goal has been
> > met actually, got people talking about it.
>
> That goal seems unworthy of your time and effort. What consensus have we
all
> reached about the Partner program?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-23 Thread Dave Watts

> Honestly my goal was not to get the software, my goal has been 
> met actually, got people talking about it.

That goal seems unworthy of your time and effort. What consensus have we all
reached about the Partner program?

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Cary Gordon

Does this mean that I shouldn't have sold my fulfillment copy of Studio on 
Ebay? 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Dave Watts

> Under the new program? So the program that we signed up on 
> is no longer supported? Thought it was until it expired and 
> then it was either step up to the "new program" or talk a long 
> walk off a short pier. I guess with a merger, they can do what 
> they want to and not honor any previous agreements.

I suspect that if your old membership has not yet expired, you can ask them
for a copy of Studio. My main point was simply that, when I contacted them
about what I needed, they were more than happy to help me out, and they did
so very quickly. They seem a bit disorganized, which I think is to be
expected, but were still helpful.

Rather than continuing this conversation with me, which will get you
absolutely nowhere in your goal to get the stuff you want, you're probably
better off taking it up directly with the folks at the partner program. Good
luck, and let the list know about your success or failure with this.

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Keen

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...


1) The OLD program software was for demoing purposes only.  The NEW program
you can use it for development.

2) The listing on the site and the use of the MM logo on your site adds
credibility to you as a developer of CF a stuff

3) There are all kinds of marketing materials etc. that you can grab from
the partners only section which you can use to sell CF to your potential
clients.  There are PowerPoint presentations, white papers etc. that can
help convince them that CF rules the world ;-)

So you can pay $800 a year for a $5000 CF Server 5 Enterprise and get those
benefits or not...it's your choice.

Now...don't get me wrong..the merger pains suck right now.  There doesn't
seem to be any clear pattern to what's going on and communications have ben
vague at best.  I'd say given some time things should straighten themselves
out.  Personally I think the $300 price hike is a bit much, but time are
hard and I'm sure MM is grabbing a few extra bucks where ever they can.

All in all it's worth the money even if all you use is the copy of CF Server
5 you get.1 contract should make your ROI.  If not then you're doing
REALLY small projects or you should charge more ;-)

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Allaire Alliance Partner
www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> I have been reading this thread with some interest and would like to toss
> out a couple of questions.Concerning the use of the free software if
you
> can not use it for development purposes then what is it for?  What is the
> benefit to a small company to be a partner?  Other than having the company
> name on a list that someone might see and a logo for the company site what
> is the return on investment of the $800 it cost to be an Associate
Partner?
> Based on the threads I have seen about the program as a small business
owner
> I would wonder if my money is not better used for some other purpose as I
> have not seen any positive comments about the program on this list. I can
> see where there are benefits for Premier or Alliance partners but not for
an
> Associate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...
>
> IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all
the
> software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
> software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license
of
> the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
> included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
> makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate"
> it, there's a 30 day demo for that...
>
> If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
> full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF
enough
> to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and
therefore
> would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you
need
> it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
> are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing
anyone
> on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
> reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...
>
> I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to
demo
> capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit
> down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
> demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
> partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".
>
> Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may
> need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need
it?
> Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real
> scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?
>
> I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be
a
> bad thing".  Well, I'

Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Bryan Stevenson

1) The OLD program software was for demoing purposes only.  The NEW program
you can use it for development.

2) The listing on the site and the use of the MM logo on your site adds
credibility to you as a developer of CF a stuff

3) There are all kinds of marketing materials etc. that you can grab from
the partners only section which you can use to sell CF to your potential
clients.  There are PowerPoint presentations, white papers etc. that can
help convince them that CF rules the world ;-)

So you can pay $800 a year for a $5000 CF Server 5 Enterprise and get those
benefits or not...it's your choice.

Now...don't get me wrong..the merger pains suck right now.  There doesn't
seem to be any clear pattern to what's going on and communications have ben
vague at best.  I'd say given some time things should straighten themselves
out.  Personally I think the $300 price hike is a bit much, but time are
hard and I'm sure MM is grabbing a few extra bucks where ever they can.

All in all it's worth the money even if all you use is the copy of CF Server
5 you get.1 contract should make your ROI.  If not then you're doing
REALLY small projects or you should charge more ;-)

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Allaire Alliance Partner
www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Keen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> I have been reading this thread with some interest and would like to toss
> out a couple of questions.Concerning the use of the free software if
you
> can not use it for development purposes then what is it for?  What is the
> benefit to a small company to be a partner?  Other than having the company
> name on a list that someone might see and a logo for the company site what
> is the return on investment of the $800 it cost to be an Associate
Partner?
> Based on the threads I have seen about the program as a small business
owner
> I would wonder if my money is not better used for some other purpose as I
> have not seen any positive comments about the program on this list. I can
> see where there are benefits for Premier or Alliance partners but not for
an
> Associate.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...
>
> IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all
the
> software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
> software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license
of
> the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
> included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
> makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate"
> it, there's a 30 day demo for that...
>
> If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
> full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF
enough
> to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and
therefore
> would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you
need
> it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
> are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing
anyone
> on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
> reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...
>
> I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to
demo
> capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit
> down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
> demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
> partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".
>
> Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may
> need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need
it?
> Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real
> scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?
>
> I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be
a
> bad thing".  Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of
> Studio.  We have several client licenses for the product, and use those
for
> our development.  I have no need for a c

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Keen

I have been reading this thread with some interest and would like to toss
out a couple of questions.Concerning the use of the free software if you
can not use it for development purposes then what is it for?  What is the
benefit to a small company to be a partner?  Other than having the company
name on a list that someone might see and a logo for the company site what
is the return on investment of the $800 it cost to be an Associate Partner?
Based on the threads I have seen about the program as a small business owner
I would wonder if my money is not better used for some other purpose as I
have not seen any positive comments about the program on this list. I can
see where there are benefits for Premier or Alliance partners but not for an
Associate.

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...

IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all the
software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license of
the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate"
it, there's a 30 day demo for that...

If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF enough
to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and therefore
would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you need
it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing anyone
on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...

I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to demo
capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit
down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".

Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may
need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need it?
Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real
scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?

I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be a
bad thing".  Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of
Studio.  We have several client licenses for the product, and use those for
our development.  I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner
program.

So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are lacking?
Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually expect
something more from the program?  I mean lets face it, that's really why
many of us participate.  Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on
your home computer, put it on computers around the office...  Not legal, but
we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT...  Now they
are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of
interest left in the program?

Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the
"free stuff".  Again, not trying to bash anyone or accuse anyone of
anything, but if all we do is whine that the free stuff is gone, I seriously
doubt it's gonna change anything.

Questions:

Why do you need the "free stuff", and why doesn't the 30 day trial software
fill this need?

What, in addition to the items listed on the partner program overview do we
need/expect?
http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/NA_benefits.cfm

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
elliptIQ Inc.
p.770.460.1035.232
f.770.460.0963
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> -Original Message-
> From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> >> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no
> >> longer worth it to me or my company.
> >
> > Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though.
>
> Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a
> note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your
> needs? That wo

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Aaron Rouse

Actually my reason for being upset is getting told one thing and it never
happening on multiple occasions. Sure, we could have contacted them and
asked why they told us this was going to happen and it never did and THEN
it would happen.  Not like it was a huge expense to become a partner, but
when you pay for something, it seems only right that the vender hold up to
their end of the agreement, which they will if you take the effort to bug
them.   I see it like this, if you are a developer and you get paid up
front for a site to be made and you do no coding on it but tell the client
the site will be up, then the client asks where the site is and then you
code it and deploy it ... think the client would continue to use that
developer or think the developer just did not care?

Now, I will admit I think had we had CF5 Server for Linux in our hands on
a couple of occasions we could have shown some clients how some of the new
tags and speed improvements would have helped them and sold them on
upgrading to that.  However that too is not really a huge deal.  as far as
studio, I think our copy of 4.5 or whatever it is that came with the
partner package is still inside its original "seal".

Oh well, it is Friday, almost weekend time and that is a good thing.

Snipe - 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:

> CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...
> 
> IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all 
the
> software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
> software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license
 of
> the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
> included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
> makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate
"
> it, there's a 30 day demo for that...
> 
> If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
> full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF eno
ugh
> to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and therefo
re
> would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you ne
ed
> it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
> are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing any
one
> on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
> reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...
> 
> I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to d
emo
> capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you si
t
> down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
> demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
> partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".
> 
> Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners ma
y
> need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need 
it?
> Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear rea
l
> scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?
> 
> I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must b
e a
> bad thing".  Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of
> Studio.  We have several client licenses for the product, and use those f
or
> our development.  I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner
> program.
> 
> So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are lackin
g?
> Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually expe
ct
> something more from the program?  I mean lets face it, that's really why
> many of us participate.  Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on
> your home computer, put it on computers around the office...  Not legal, 
but
> we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT...  Now th
ey
> are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of
> interest left in the program?
> 
> Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the
> "free stuff".  Again, not trying to bash anyone or accuse anyone of
> anything, but if all we do is whine that the free stuff is gone, I seriou
sly
> doubt it's gonna change anything.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> Why do you need the "free stuff", and why doesn't the 30 day trial softwa
re
> fill this need?
> 
> What, in addition to the items listed on the partner program overview do 
we
> need/expect?
> http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/NA_benefits.cfm
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> ------------
> Cameron

Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Bryan Stevenson

I agree with Cameron excpet for 1 item he didn't mention (and yes I know
he's not bashing anyone).

The "free stuff" (bad description but we all know what it means) is gone in
the new MM partnership agreement although the new licensing agreement makes
it legal to use the software for development purposes.  So there is still a
bonus...if MM ever does a license audit of your company you won't get sued
;-)  It's also useful to appear as a  professional when you tell clients you
are a "MM partner for blah blah".  There is definately a certain level of
credibilty and professionalism added when you can do this (personally I
think the partnership program is too easy to get into and more of a cash
grab...but I digress...).

The one issue I have is the new price...it's now $795 USD a year up from the
old $500 USD (or around there).

Lets do the math
MM partnership = higher price.less software...better license
Allaire partnership = lower priceWAY more software...restricted license

I'd be a lot happier if the price had stayed the same...that way we get less
software but it can legally be used for development.

Cameron nailed it though...I think a lot of complaints are because people
can't get a "free" copy of Studio etc. that they weren't supposed to be
using for development in the first place.

Just buy Studio.  One contract should more than pay for it.

My 2 cents...flame away ;-)

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Allaire Alliance Partner
www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...
>
> IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all
the
> software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
> software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license
of
> the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
> included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
> makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate"
> it, there's a 30 day demo for that...
>
> If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
> full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF
enough
> to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and
therefore
> would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you
need
> it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
> are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing
anyone
> on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
> reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...
>
> I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to
demo
> capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit
> down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
> demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
> partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".
>
> Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may
> need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need
it?
> Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real
> scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?
>
> I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be
a
> bad thing".  Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of
> Studio.  We have several client licenses for the product, and use those
for
> our development.  I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner
> program.
>
> So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are
lacking?
> Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually
expect
> something more from the program?  I mean lets face it, that's really why
> many of us participate.  Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on
> your home computer, put it on computers around the office...  Not legal,
but
> we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT...  Now
they
> are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of
> interest left in the program?
>
> Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the
> "free st

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Cameron Childress

CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on this reply...

IMHO - Alot of people used the partner program to get a free copy of all the
software and "try before you buy".  Some partners undoubtedly use the
software for development, which I don't think is permitted in the license of
the partner software packages.  Getting upset because CF Studio isn't
included in the partnership anymore is a little tricky because it really
makes me ask, why are these people upset?  You don't need it to "evaluate"
it, there's a 30 day demo for that...

If you are using CF Studio for development of sites, you should own legit
full licenses of Studio.  I would expect that any company who uses CF enough
to get a partnership should be using CF Studio daily already, and therefore
would own full legit licenses of the Studio product.  So why would you need
it in the partner package?  You already own a copy.  Unless of course you
are using the free partner software illegally.  No, I am not accusing anyone
on the list of anything...  It's just hard for me to think of any valid
reasons you'd actually need a NFR copy of Studio as a partner...

I suppose if you were a distribution/sales partner you might need it to demo
capabilities to a client, but how often does it really happen that you sit
down in front of a computer with a potential sale (person) and do a live
demo of Studio?  I'd say probably very rarely.  Most distribution/sales
partners just sell the product, no demo, just "how many you want?".

Having said that, ok I'll give in that the distribution/sales partners may
need Studio on some rare occasions...  But why would the rest of us need it?
Seriously, not trying to bash anyone here, I am truly curious to hear real
scenarios where a partner needed a "partner copy" of Studio?

I think many people have the belief that "if you get less stuff it must be a
bad thing".  Well, I'm not sure we have EVER used our partner copy of
Studio.  We have several client licenses for the product, and use those for
our development.  I have no need for a copy of Studio in the partner
program.

So then it must be the other parts of the partner program that are lacking?
Are we all partners just for "all the free stuff", of do we actually expect
something more from the program?  I mean lets face it, that's really why
many of us participate.  Get free stuff, put it on your laptop, put it on
your home computer, put it on computers around the office...  Not legal, but
we all know it happens, and not just a little, it happens ALOT...  Now they
are taking away the free stuff, and it turns out there's nothing else of
interest left in the program?

Lets all be realistic and come up with reasons that we actually NEED the
"free stuff".  Again, not trying to bash anyone or accuse anyone of
anything, but if all we do is whine that the free stuff is gone, I seriously
doubt it's gonna change anything.

Questions:

Why do you need the "free stuff", and why doesn't the 30 day trial software
fill this need?

What, in addition to the items listed on the partner program overview do we
need/expect?
http://spectra15.macromedia.com/overview/NA_benefits.cfm

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> -Original Message-
> From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> >> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no
> >> longer worth it to me or my company.
> >
> > Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though.
>
> Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a
> note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your
> needs? That would give them the feedback they'd need to tune things better
> in the future, thanks.
>
> The contact link is here:
> http://www.macromedia.com/partners/
>
> tx,
> jd
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Bryan Stevenson

yer rightold agreements are in place until they expire...but if it
hasn't expired already it must be soonthe merger was a while ago ;-)

For all you're MM partnership woes...contact Robin Craig

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www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Rouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> Under the new program?  So the program that we signed up on is no longer
> supported?  Thought it was until it expired and then it was either step up
> to the "new program" or talk a long walk off a short pier.  I guess with a
> merger, they can do what they want to and not honor any previous
> agreements.
>
> Again, in my opinion, it is more of not caring about the old and caring
> more about how to handle the new.
>
> Snipe - 
>
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> > > True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and
> > > ask if partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting
> > > CF 5 server in any other version besides Windows. That of course
> > > is what we did before in regards to other issues and yes they did
> > > take care of them. I just get the impression that they do not care
> > > about the Allaire partner program.
> >
> > Under the new program, I don't think you get Studio, or any other IDE
too
> ls.
> > You just get server products.
> >
> > As for non-Windows versions of CF, we didn't get shrinkwrap copies, but
t
> hey
> > were very helpful about getting serial numbers to me when I requested
the
> m.
> > I got them the same day I requested them, even though they had to bounce
> a
> > bunch of internal emails back and forth (which they cc'd me on).
> >
> > I didn't get the impression that they didn't care. I did get the
impressi
> on
> > that they're having the kind of issues you might expect as a result of a
> > merger. Remember that, for a while after the merger, a lot of this stuff
> was
> > still separated into the MM and Allaire portions. They're still merging
> > these things, and there are going to be issues that occur along the way.
> For
> > example, the training arms of both are just now merging into one, and
the
> re
> > have been minor issues, but overall, I think they're doing a good job -
a
> nd
> > the eventual result should be better than the previous state of affairs.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> >
> 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Duane Boudreau

the price hike and the decreased number of products did it for me

-Original Message-
From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


>> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no
>> longer worth it to me or my company.
>
> Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though.

Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a
note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your
needs? That would give them the feedback they'd need to tune things better
in the future, thanks.

The contact link is here:
http://www.macromedia.com/partners/

tx,
jd






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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread John Dowdell

>> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no
>> longer worth it to me or my company.
>
> Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though.

Sorry to hear that, but if you have a few minutes, then could you drop a
note to the Partners team and tell them how the service no longer met your
needs? That would give them the feedback they'd need to tune things better
in the future, thanks.

The contact link is here:
http://www.macromedia.com/partners/

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Aaron Rouse

Same here, guess it was nice while it lasted though.

Snipe - 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Duane Boudreau wrote:

> That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no longer worth
 it
> to me or my company.
> 
> Duane
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:52 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> 
> Under the new program?  So the program that we signed up on is no longer
> supported?  Thought it was until it expired and then it was either step u
p
> to the "new program" or talk a long walk off a short pier.  I guess with 
a
> merger, they can do what they want to and not honor any previous
> agreements.
> 
> Again, in my opinion, it is more of not caring about the old and caring
> more about how to handle the new.
> 
> Snipe - 
> 
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dave Watts wrote:
> 
> > > True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and
> > > ask if partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting
> > > CF 5 server in any other version besides Windows. That of course
> > > is what we did before in regards to other issues and yes they did
> > > take care of them. I just get the impression that they do not care
> > > about the Allaire partner program.
> >
> > Under the new program, I don't think you get Studio, or any other IDE t
oo
> ls.
> > You just get server products.
> >
> > As for non-Windows versions of CF, we didn't get shrinkwrap copies, but
 t
> hey
> > were very helpful about getting serial numbers to me when I requested t
he
> m.
> > I got them the same day I requested them, even though they had to bounc
e
> a
> > bunch of internal emails back and forth (which they cc'd me on).
> >
> > I didn't get the impression that they didn't care. I did get the impres
si
> on
> > that they're having the kind of issues you might expect as a result of 
a
> > merger. Remember that, for a while after the merger, a lot of this stuf
f
> was
> > still separated into the MM and Allaire portions. They're still merging
> > these things, and there are going to be issues that occur along the way
.
> For
> > example, the training arms of both are just now merging into one, and t
he
> re
> > have been minor issues, but overall, I think they're doing a good job -
 a
> nd
> > the eventual result should be better than the previous state of affairs
.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> >
> 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Duane Boudreau

That's why I'm not renewing my partnership this year. Its no longer worth it
to me or my company.

Duane

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

Under the new program?  So the program that we signed up on is no longer
supported?  Thought it was until it expired and then it was either step up
to the "new program" or talk a long walk off a short pier.  I guess with a
merger, they can do what they want to and not honor any previous
agreements.

Again, in my opinion, it is more of not caring about the old and caring
more about how to handle the new.

Snipe - 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dave Watts wrote:

> > True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and
> > ask if partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting
> > CF 5 server in any other version besides Windows. That of course
> > is what we did before in regards to other issues and yes they did
> > take care of them. I just get the impression that they do not care
> > about the Allaire partner program.
>
> Under the new program, I don't think you get Studio, or any other IDE too
ls.
> You just get server products.
>
> As for non-Windows versions of CF, we didn't get shrinkwrap copies, but t
hey
> were very helpful about getting serial numbers to me when I requested the
m.
> I got them the same day I requested them, even though they had to bounce
a
> bunch of internal emails back and forth (which they cc'd me on).
>
> I didn't get the impression that they didn't care. I did get the impressi
on
> that they're having the kind of issues you might expect as a result of a
> merger. Remember that, for a while after the merger, a lot of this stuff
was
> still separated into the MM and Allaire portions. They're still merging
> these things, and there are going to be issues that occur along the way.
For
> example, the training arms of both are just now merging into one, and the
re
> have been minor issues, but overall, I think they're doing a good job - a
nd
> the eventual result should be better than the previous state of affairs.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Aaron Rouse

Under the new program?  So the program that we signed up on is no longer
supported?  Thought it was until it expired and then it was either step up
to the "new program" or talk a long walk off a short pier.  I guess with a
merger, they can do what they want to and not honor any previous
agreements.

Again, in my opinion, it is more of not caring about the old and caring
more about how to handle the new.

Snipe - 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dave Watts wrote:

> > True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and 
> > ask if partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting 
> > CF 5 server in any other version besides Windows. That of course 
> > is what we did before in regards to other issues and yes they did 
> > take care of them. I just get the impression that they do not care 
> > about the Allaire partner program.
> 
> Under the new program, I don't think you get Studio, or any other IDE too
ls.
> You just get server products.
> 
> As for non-Windows versions of CF, we didn't get shrinkwrap copies, but t
hey
> were very helpful about getting serial numbers to me when I requested the
m.
> I got them the same day I requested them, even though they had to bounce 
a
> bunch of internal emails back and forth (which they cc'd me on).
> 
> I didn't get the impression that they didn't care. I did get the impressi
on
> that they're having the kind of issues you might expect as a result of a
> merger. Remember that, for a while after the merger, a lot of this stuff 
was
> still separated into the MM and Allaire portions. They're still merging
> these things, and there are going to be issues that occur along the way. 
For
> example, the training arms of both are just now merging into one, and the
re
> have been minor issues, but overall, I think they're doing a good job - a
nd
> the eventual result should be better than the previous state of affairs.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Dave Watts

> True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and 
> ask if partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting 
> CF 5 server in any other version besides Windows. That of course 
> is what we did before in regards to other issues and yes they did 
> take care of them. I just get the impression that they do not care 
> about the Allaire partner program.

Under the new program, I don't think you get Studio, or any other IDE tools.
You just get server products.

As for non-Windows versions of CF, we didn't get shrinkwrap copies, but they
were very helpful about getting serial numbers to me when I requested them.
I got them the same day I requested them, even though they had to bounce a
bunch of internal emails back and forth (which they cc'd me on).

I didn't get the impression that they didn't care. I did get the impression
that they're having the kind of issues you might expect as a result of a
merger. Remember that, for a while after the merger, a lot of this stuff was
still separated into the MM and Allaire portions. They're still merging
these things, and there are going to be issues that occur along the way. For
example, the training arms of both are just now merging into one, and there
have been minor issues, but overall, I think they're doing a good job - and
the eventual result should be better than the previous state of affairs.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Aaron Rouse

True, suppose we could contact those people directly again and ask if
partners are getting Studio 5 and if partners are getting CF 5 server in
any other version besides Windows.  That of course is what we did before
in regards to other issues and yes they did take care of them.  I just get
the impression that they do not care about the Allaire partner program.

Snipe - 

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Dave Watts wrote:

> > > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing... Personally 
> > > I think MM could care less about the Allaire Partners
> > 
> > I'm sorry that something isn't smooth for you, and sorrier 
> > still that I don't know those details myself. But have you 
> > considered contacting the partner program directly? That'd 
> > be the fastest way to get set up like other folks, thanks.
> 
> I'd like to second this. Fig Leaf has been a partner with Allaire and
> Macromedia, and we ran into some of the same issues such as waiting for
> software. We simply contacted the people running the partner program, and
> they handled our requests personally.
> 
> It's not a matter of "care", but rather the natural result of the
> amalgamation of the two companies. There have been, and are going to be, 
a
> few things like this, but in my experience, if you just contact the
> appropriate people, they'll do their best to resolve your problems.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-21 Thread Dave Watts

> > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing... Personally 
> > I think MM could care less about the Allaire Partners
> 
> I'm sorry that something isn't smooth for you, and sorrier 
> still that I don't know those details myself. But have you 
> considered contacting the partner program directly? That'd 
> be the fastest way to get set up like other folks, thanks.

I'd like to second this. Fig Leaf has been a partner with Allaire and
Macromedia, and we ran into some of the same issues such as waiting for
software. We simply contacted the people running the partner program, and
they handled our requests personally.

It's not a matter of "care", but rather the natural result of the
amalgamation of the two companies. There have been, and are going to be, a
few things like this, but in my experience, if you just contact the
appropriate people, they'll do their best to resolve your problems.

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread John Dowdell

At 6:23 AM 12/20/1, Aaron Rouse wrote:
> At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing... Personally I
> think MM could care less about the Allaire Partners

I'm sorry that something isn't smooth for you, and sorrier still that I
don't know those details myself. But have you considered contacting the
partner program directly? That'd be the fastest way to get set up like
other folks, thanks.

jd





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Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread Bryan Stevenson

yup...we got it too..no problem...but I would love to get Studio 5 ;-)

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- Original Message -
From: "C. Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:03 AM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on our side.
>
> Hatton
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to basically
> > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship out
> > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM could care
less
> > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whatever
> > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> >
> > Snipe - 
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> >
> > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > shipped.  Prior
> > > to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
> > >
> > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > still part of
> > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included
the
> > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > is a little
> > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > >
> > > -Cameron
> > >
> > > 
> > > Cameron Childress
> > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > f.770.460.0963
> > > --
> > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > > > our upgrade
> > > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > > later we got a
> > > > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > > > 5, based on
> > > > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > > > studio 5, and
> > > > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they
> > expire) should be
> > > > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > > > told "soon",
> > > > but got no firm date a while back.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Langevin
> > > > Web Guy In Charge
> > > > UsWebGuys
> > > > 954-327-5780
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to
> > loop over your
> > > > data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> > > > wrapped into a
> > > > single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
> > > >
> > > > You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> > > > simply put them
> > > > in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
> > > >
> &g

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread Shawn Grover

I'm not a partner, but I think I remember something about a Linux version of
CF5 not being available when it was first shipped.  The Linux version was
released a short time later...  

Of course, I could be way off on this... trying to remember back 6 months is
always a crap shoot for me.

Shawn Grover

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


I don't honestly know... the company that I work for has had a partnership
for a very long time... longer than I've worked here.

We don't run Linux machines, so to be honest it doesn't matter in our
situation.

Hatton


> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> Should the partners have not also got a Linux version?  When we first
> became a Partner we got all of the Allaire products for all of the
> different OS's.
>
> Snipe - 
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > It was an upgrade for Windows.
> >
> > Hatton
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:36 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > >
> > >
> > > Was it just for Windows or did you get the Linux version as well?  We
> > > recieved an email saying they were bing chipped out, it was a general
> > > email to all partners.  Months later, still no packages and
> after a cou
> ple
> > > of emails(prodding) we finally got a upgrade copy of CF 5 Server for
> > > windows, actually it might be a full copy come to think of it.
> > >
> > > Snipe - 
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> > >
> > > > We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on
> > > our side.
> > > >
> > > > Hatton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to
> > > basically
> > > > > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they
> even ship
> out
> > > > > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM
> > > could care le
> > > ss
> > > > > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in
> going to whate
> ver
> > > > > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> > > > >
> > > > > Snipe - 
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > > > > shipped.  Prior
> > > > > > to that I got one with a download link and login to
> grab it via w
> eb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > > > > still part of
> > > > > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only
> > > included t
> > > he
> > > > > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > > > > is a little
> > > > > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Cameron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cameron Childress
> > > > > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > > > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > > > > f.770.460.0963
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > > > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey

I don't honestly know... the company that I work for has had a partnership
for a very long time... longer than I've worked here.

We don't run Linux machines, so to be honest it doesn't matter in our
situation.

Hatton


> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> Should the partners have not also got a Linux version?  When we first
> became a Partner we got all of the Allaire products for all of the
> different OS's.
>
> Snipe - 
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > It was an upgrade for Windows.
> >
> > Hatton
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:36 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > >
> > >
> > > Was it just for Windows or did you get the Linux version as well?  We
> > > recieved an email saying they were bing chipped out, it was a general
> > > email to all partners.  Months later, still no packages and
> after a cou
> ple
> > > of emails(prodding) we finally got a upgrade copy of CF 5 Server for
> > > windows, actually it might be a full copy come to think of it.
> > >
> > > Snipe - 
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> > >
> > > > We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on
> > > our side.
> > > >
> > > > Hatton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to
> > > basically
> > > > > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they
> even ship
> out
> > > > > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM
> > > could care le
> > > ss
> > > > > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in
> going to whate
> ver
> > > > > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> > > > >
> > > > > Snipe - 
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > > > > shipped.  Prior
> > > > > > to that I got one with a download link and login to
> grab it via w
> eb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > > > > still part of
> > > > > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only
> > > included t
> > > he
> > > > > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > > > > is a little
> > > > > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Cameron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cameron Childress
> > > > > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > > > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > > > > f.770.460.0963
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > > > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and
> inquired about
> > > > > > > our upgrade
> > > > > > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > > > > > later we go

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread Aaron Rouse

Should the partners have not also got a Linux version?  When we first
became a Partner we got all of the Allaire products for all of the
different OS's.

Snipe - 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:

> It was an upgrade for Windows.
> 
> Hatton
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:36 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > Was it just for Windows or did you get the Linux version as well?  We
> > recieved an email saying they were bing chipped out, it was a general
> > email to all partners.  Months later, still no packages and after a cou
ple
> > of emails(prodding) we finally got a upgrade copy of CF 5 Server for
> > windows, actually it might be a full copy come to think of it.
> >
> > Snipe - 
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
> >
> > > We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on
> > our side.
> > >
> > > Hatton
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-
> > > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to
> > basically
> > > > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship 
out
> > > > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM
> > could care le
> > ss
> > > > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whate
ver
> > > > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> > > >
> > > > Snipe - 
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > > > shipped.  Prior
> > > > > to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via w
eb.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > > > still part of
> > > > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only
> > included t
> > he
> > > > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > > > is a little
> > > > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > > > >
> > > > > -Cameron
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cameron Childress
> > > > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > > > f.770.460.0963
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > > > > > our upgrade
> > > > > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > > > > later we got a
> > > > > > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > > > > > 5, based on
> > > > > > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > > > > > studio 5, and
> > > > > > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they
> > > > expire) should be
> > > > &g

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey

It was an upgrade for Windows.

Hatton


> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> Was it just for Windows or did you get the Linux version as well?  We
> recieved an email saying they were bing chipped out, it was a general
> email to all partners.  Months later, still no packages and after a couple
> of emails(prodding) we finally got a upgrade copy of CF 5 Server for
> windows, actually it might be a full copy come to think of it.
>
> Snipe - 
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on
> our side.
> >
> > Hatton
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > >
> > >
> > > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to
> basically
> > > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship out
> > > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM
> could care le
> ss
> > > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whatever
> > > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> > >
> > > Snipe - 
> > >
> > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> > >
> > > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > > shipped.  Prior
> > > > to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
> > > >
> > > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > > still part of
> > > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only
> included t
> he
> > > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > > is a little
> > > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > > >
> > > > -Cameron
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Cameron Childress
> > > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > > f.770.460.0963
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > > > > our upgrade
> > > > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > > > later we got a
> > > > > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > > > > 5, based on
> > > > > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > > > > studio 5, and
> > > > > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they
> > > expire) should be
> > > > > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > > > > told "soon",
> > > > > but got no firm date a while back.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Langevin
> > > > > Web Guy In Charge
> > > > > UsWebGuys
> > > > > 954-327-5780
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > &g

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread Aaron Rouse

Was it just for Windows or did you get the Linux version as well?  We
recieved an email saying they were bing chipped out, it was a general
email to all partners.  Months later, still no packages and after a couple
of emails(prodding) we finally got a upgrade copy of CF 5 Server for
windows, actually it might be a full copy come to think of it.

Snipe - 

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:

> We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on our side.
> 
> Hatton
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to basically
> > fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship out
> > other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM could care le
ss
> > about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whatever
> > that new program is called once our current one expires.
> >
> > Snipe - 
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
> >
> > > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> > shipped.  Prior
> > > to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
> > >
> > > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> > still part of
> > > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included t
he
> > > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> > is a little
> > > less generous than Allaire was...
> > >
> > > -Cameron
> > >
> > > 
> > > Cameron Childress
> > > elliptIQ Inc.
> > > p.770.460.1035.232
> > > f.770.460.0963
> > > --
> > > http://www.neighborware.com
> > > America's Leading Community Network Software
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > > > our upgrade
> > > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > > later we got a
> > > > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > > > 5, based on
> > > > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > > > studio 5, and
> > > > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they
> > expire) should be
> > > > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > > > told "soon",
> > > > but got no firm date a while back.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Langevin
> > > > Web Guy In Charge
> > > > UsWebGuys
> > > > 954-327-5780
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to
> > loop over your
> > > > data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> > > > wrapped into a
> > > > single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
> > > >
> > > > You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> > > > simply put them
> > > > in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Billy Cravens
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> >

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey

We received our upgrade copy of CF 5 Server with no prodding on our side.

Hatton


> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to basically
> fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship out
> other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM could care less
> about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whatever
> that new program is called once our current one expires.
>
> Snipe - 
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> > I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had
> shipped.  Prior
> > to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
> >
> > Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are
> still part of
> > the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included the
> > server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM
> is a little
> > less generous than Allaire was...
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> > 
> > Cameron Childress
> > elliptIQ Inc.
> > p.770.460.1035.232
> > f.770.460.0963
> > --
> > http://www.neighborware.com
> > America's Leading Community Network Software
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > >
> > >
> > > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > > our upgrade
> > > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > > later we got a
> > > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > > 5, based on
> > > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > > studio 5, and
> > > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> > >
> > >
> > > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they
> expire) should be
> > > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > > told "soon",
> > > but got no firm date a while back.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin Langevin
> > > Web Guy In Charge
> > > UsWebGuys
> > > 954-327-5780
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to
> loop over your
> > > data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> > > wrapped into a
> > > single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
> > >
> > > You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> > > simply put them
> > > in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
> > >
> > > Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Billy Cravens
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > > > interpreter,
> > > in
> > > > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > > > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> > > >
> > > > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > > > with
> > > ASP
> > > > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > > > in
> > > this
> > > > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> &

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-20 Thread Aaron Rouse

At least you got a link, we have recieved nothing.  We had to basically
fight to get the Windows version of CF5 Server, did they even ship out
other versions of CF5 to partners?  Personally I think MM could care less
about the Allaire Partners, honestly see no point in going to whatever
that new program is called once our current one expires.

Snipe - 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Cameron Childress wrote:

> I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had shipped.  Prior
> to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
> 
> Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are still part of
> the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included the
> server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM is a little
> less generous than Allaire was...
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> 
> Cameron Childress
> elliptIQ Inc.
> p.770.460.1035.232
> f.770.460.0963
> --
> http://www.neighborware.com
> America's Leading Community Network Software
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > our upgrade
> > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > later we got a
> > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > 5, based on
> > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > studio 5, and
> > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should be
> > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > told "soon",
> > but got no firm date a while back.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Langevin
> > Web Guy In Charge
> > UsWebGuys
> > 954-327-5780
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over your
> > data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> > wrapped into a
> > single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
> >
> > You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> > simply put them
> > in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
> >
> > Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
> >
> > ---
> > Billy Cravens
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > > interpreter,
> > in
> > > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> > >
> > > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > > with
> > ASP
> > > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > > in
> > this
> > > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> > > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> > >
> > > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that
> > > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> > >
> > > jon
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you want
> > > > to
> > > see
> > > > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object
> > &

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael T.

Yeah no kidding, we hit the floor laughing

-Original Message-
From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...


So UD is considered an upgrade to CF Studio?  hahahahahahaha

I thought it was the other way around.

---
Billy Cravens


- Original Message -
From: "Tangorre, Michael T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about our
upgrade
> to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month later we 
> got
a
> CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio 5, 
> based
on
> the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to studio 
> 5,
and
> we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) 
> should be recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had 
> been told
"soon",
> but got no firm date a while back.
>
>
> Kevin Langevin
> Web Guy In Charge
> UsWebGuys
> 954-327-5780
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over 
> your data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily 
> wrapped into
a
> single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
>
> You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now - simply 
> put
them
> in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
>
> Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
>
> ---
> Billy Cravens
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the 
> > interpreter,
> in
> > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by 
> > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> >
> > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy 
> > with
> ASP
> > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited 
> > in
> this
> > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally 
> > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> >
> > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that 
> > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> >
> > jon
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you 
> > > want to
> > see
> > > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object 
> > > that
> > makes
> > > the ADO calls and gets the results.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, why are you using ADO instead of CFQuery?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Billy Cravens
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:15 AM
> > > Subject: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am writing a script that uses ado to update a table, and in 
> > > > the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > debugging it I have run into a snag. My app doesn't need to get 
> > > > a
> > > recordset,
> > > > but while I am writing this template it would be nice to be able 
> > > > to
> see
> > > the
> > > > data I am working with.
> > > > I have a decimal datatype field in my recordset with a scale of 
> > > > 2 (if
> > that
> > > > makes a difference...). When I use recordset.GetRows() to 
> > > > convert the
> > ADO
> > > > recordset into an array, it bombs out with the error "Error 
> > > > attempting
> > to
> > > > convert between object and ColdFusion datatypes."
> > > > If I remove the decimal column everything works fine. Is this 
> > > > just a limitation of CFObject, or is their another way around 
> > > > this?
> > > >
> > > > RDBMS == SQL Server...
> > > >
> > > > jon
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread Kevin Langevin

Well, I was told that Macromedia was going to honor Allaire partnerships
through the end of the year's subscription, so whenever your current year
subscription ends, you'd have to renew as a Macromedia partner, but until
that year is up, all Allaire products that fell under the developmen`t
program (Homesite, CF Server, Studio, JRun, etc) should be upgraded for you
as part of agreement you made with Allaire.  I'll try to dig up the e-mail
stating this from Macromedia and forward it if you like.




Kevin Langevin
Web Guy In Charge
UsWebGuys
954-327-5780


-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had shipped.  Prior
to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.

Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are still part of
the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included the
server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM is a little
less generous than Allaire was...

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
elliptIQ Inc.
p.770.460.1035.232
f.770.460.0963
--
http://www.neighborware.com
America's Leading Community Network Software





> -Original Message-
> From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> our upgrade
> to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> later we got a
> CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> 5, based on
> the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> studio 5, and
> we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should be
> recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> told "soon",
> but got no firm date a while back.
>
>
> Kevin Langevin
> Web Guy In Charge
> UsWebGuys
> 954-327-5780
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over your
> data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> wrapped into a
> single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
>
> You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> simply put them
> in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
>
> Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
>
> ---
> Billy Cravens
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > interpreter,
> in
> > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> >
> > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > with
> ASP
> > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > in
> this
> > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> >
> > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that
> > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> >
> > jon
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you want
> > > to
> > see
> > > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object
> > > that
> > makes
> > > the ADO calls and gets the results.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, why are you using ADO instead of CFQuery?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Billy Cravens
> > >
> > &

Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread BILLY CRAVENS

So UD is considered an upgrade to CF Studio?  hahahahahahaha

I thought it was the other way around.

---
Billy Cravens


- Original Message -
From: "Tangorre, Michael T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about our
upgrade
> to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month later we got
a
> CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio 5, based
on
> the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to studio 5,
and
> we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should be
> recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been told
"soon",
> but got no firm date a while back.
>
>
> Kevin Langevin
> Web Guy In Charge
> UsWebGuys
> 954-327-5780
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over your
> data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily wrapped into
a
> single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
>
> You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now - simply put
them
> in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
>
> Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
>
> ---
> Billy Cravens
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > interpreter,
> in
> > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> >
> > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > with
> ASP
> > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > in
> this
> > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> >
> > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that
> > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> >
> > jon
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you want
> > > to
> > see
> > > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object
> > > that
> > makes
> > > the ADO calls and gets the results.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, why are you using ADO instead of CFQuery?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Billy Cravens
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:15 AM
> > > Subject: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am writing a script that uses ado to update a table, and in the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > debugging it I have run into a snag. My app doesn't need to get a
> > > recordset,
> > > > but while I am writing this template it would be nice to be able
> > > > to
> see
> > > the
> > > > data I am working with.
> > > > I have a decimal datatype field in my recordset with a scale of 2
> > > > (if
> > that
> > > > makes a difference...). When I use recordset.GetRows() to convert
> > > > the
> > ADO
> > > > recordset into an array, it bombs out with the error "Error
> > > > attempting
> > to
> > > > convert between object and ColdFusion datatypes."
> > > > If I remove the decimal column everything works fine. Is this just
> > > > a limitation of CFObject, or is their another way around this?
> > > >
> > > > RDBMS == SQL Server...
> > > >
> > > > jon
> >
> >
>
>
> 
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Re: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread Bryan Stevenson

An excerpt from a recent e-mail from an MM person about the higher partner
price for less software (i.e. no tools)...

"the price was raised for several reasons, if you would like to speak with
someone about it directly, you may contact me, Robin Craig at 617 219 2179"

Phone away folks..I haven't had the time yet

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Allaire Alliance Partner
www.allaire.com

- Original Message -
From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...


> I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had shipped.
Prior
> to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.
>
> Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are still part
of
> the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included the
> server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM is a little
> less generous than Allaire was...
>
> -Cameron
>
> 
> Cameron Childress
> elliptIQ Inc.
> p.770.460.1035.232
> f.770.460.0963
> --
> http://www.neighborware.com
> America's Leading Community Network Software
>
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> > our upgrade
> > to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> > later we got a
> > CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> > 5, based on
> > the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> > studio 5, and
> > we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
> >
> >
> > ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should
be
> > recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> > told "soon",
> > but got no firm date a while back.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Langevin
> > Web Guy In Charge
> > UsWebGuys
> > 954-327-5780
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over
your
> > data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> > wrapped into a
> > single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
> >
> > You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> > simply put them
> > in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
> >
> > Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
> >
> > ---
> > Billy Cravens
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > > interpreter,
> > in
> > > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> > >
> > > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > > with
> > ASP
> > > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > > in
> > this
> > > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> > > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> > >
> > > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that
> > > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> > >
> > > jon
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tu

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread Cameron Childress

I received an email today stating that our subscriptions had shipped.  Prior
to that I got one with a download link and login to grab it via web.

Dunno about Partners...  Has MM confirmed that the "tools" are still part of
the Partner program?  I wouldn't be surprised if they only included the
server side programs in the Partner programs now-a-days...  MM is a little
less generous than Allaire was...

-Cameron


Cameron Childress
elliptIQ Inc.
p.770.460.1035.232
f.770.460.0963
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> -Original Message-
> From: Tangorre, Michael T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about
> our upgrade
> to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month
> later we got a
> CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio
> 5, based on
> the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to
> studio 5, and
> we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...
>
>
> ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should be
> recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been
> told "soon",
> but got no firm date a while back.
>
>
> Kevin Langevin
> Web Guy In Charge
> UsWebGuys
> 954-327-5780
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over your
> data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily
> wrapped into a
> single CFQuery or a stored procedure).
>
> You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now -
> simply put them
> in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.
>
> Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?
>
> ---
> Billy Cravens
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> > GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the
> > interpreter,
> in
> > this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by
> > VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
> >
> > Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy
> > with
> ASP
> > or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited
> > in
> this
> > manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally
> > might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
> >
> > I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that
> > takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
> >
> > jon
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you want
> > > to
> > see
> > > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object
> > > that
> > makes
> > > the ADO calls and gets the results.
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, why are you using ADO instead of CFQuery?
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Billy Cravens
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:15 AM
> > > Subject: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am writing a script that uses ado to update a table, and in the
> > process
> > > of
> > > > debugging it I have run into a snag. My app doesn't need to get a
> > > recordset,
> > > > but while I am writing this template it would be nice to be able
> > > > to
> see
> > > the
> > > > data I am working with.
>

RE: Allaire Partner upgrades...

2001-12-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael T.

We called MM form school (Alfred University) and inquired about our upgrade
to CF Studio 5, and they said its on its way.. Well, 1 month later we got a
CD but it was ULTRADEV!!  We are still trying to get studio 5, based on
the agreement we have with MM, our subscription entitles us to studio 5, and
we would like to see MM honor their agreements on this.


-Original Message-
From: Kevin Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Allaire Partner upgrades...


ANybody know when Allaire Alliance Partners (before they expire) should be
recieving the upgrade to CF Studio5 and Homesite 5?  I had been told "soon",
but got no firm date a while back.


Kevin Langevin
Web Guy In Charge
UsWebGuys
954-327-5780


-Original Message-
From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype


It could be done with CFQuery, but it would require you to loop over your
data and do an insert each time (thought this could be easily wrapped into a
single CFQuery or a stored procedure).

You can take advantage of Java's or ADO's capabilities now - simply put them
in a bean, COM object, or CFX custom tag.

Have you tried casting the column's datatype in your SQL?

---
Billy Cravens

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype


> GetRows() converts to a native array which is handled by the 
> interpreter,
in
> this case CF. It only converts to a VBScript array, if called by 
> VBScript. ADO is theorhetically platform independant.
>
> Basically I am trying to do an array update with ADO. This is easy 
> with
ASP
> or WSH, but  with cfquery, although nice  easy, is extremely limited 
> in
this
> manner. In my app I have one page (it's a grid...) that literally 
> might update hundreds of rows in a normalized table.
>
> I am hoping that in Neo, I will be able to build a component that 
> takes advantage of java.sql's batch updates, but until then...
>
> jon
> - Original Message -
> From: "BILLY CRAVENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
>
>
> > GetRows() converts to a VBScript array; not a CF array.  If you want 
> > to
> see
> > the contents of the array, you'll need to write a wrapper object 
> > that
> makes
> > the ADO calls and gets the results.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, why are you using ADO instead of CFQuery?
> >
> > ---
> > Billy Cravens
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jon Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:15 AM
> > Subject: CFObject ADO & the decimal datatype
> >
> >
> > > I am writing a script that uses ado to update a table, and in the
> process
> > of
> > > debugging it I have run into a snag. My app doesn't need to get a
> > recordset,
> > > but while I am writing this template it would be nice to be able 
> > > to
see
> > the
> > > data I am working with.
> > > I have a decimal datatype field in my recordset with a scale of 2 
> > > (if
> that
> > > makes a difference...). When I use recordset.GetRows() to convert 
> > > the
> ADO
> > > recordset into an array, it bombs out with the error "Error 
> > > attempting
> to
> > > convert between object and ColdFusion datatypes."
> > > If I remove the decimal column everything works fine. Is this just 
> > > a limitation of CFObject, or is their another way around this?
> > >
> > > RDBMS == SQL Server...
> > >
> > > jon
>
>


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