Re: CF hosting plus Joomla capability needed - any suggestions?
Stephen, We have totally relaunched our shared platform last week, which includes an all new control panel and billing system. Our shared CF plans (and others) have an application catalog with one click installs of popular apps. Joomla is one of the applications offered. We also totally revamped and relaunched our VPS offering. Feel free to contact me off list with any questions: ma...@hostmysite.com An excellent resource for questions like this is webhostingtalk.com -- Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Stephen Hait sh...@mindspring.com wrote: I need to obtain hosting with ColdFusion with SQL Server or MySQL. Also need to be able to easily install and use Joomla for part of the website. I have previously used Crystaltech, now called Newtek, but am looking for suggestions on other hosting companies that would be good for this. This is for a fairly straightforward Joomla website and we would be using ColdFusion for a relatively low traffic data entry application. I am also wondering if a VPS would be better than basic shared hosting and, if so, why a VPS would be better. Thanks in advance. I know the topic of which hosting company is best has been done to death but I haven't had to look for one lately so thought I'd ask for suggestions here. Regards, Stephen ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:352917 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF Hosting in Europe
Hi Dave, http://onlinebase.nl/ in the Netherlands also does CF-hosting, we're using Railo as our CFML-engine (but also do ACF is needed). For a quote please mail me at sebasti...@onlinebase.nl Greetings from the Netherlands, Sebastiaan Naafs - van Dijk = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:55:27 +0100 Subject: Re: CF Hosting in Europe From: andy.al...@gmail.com To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Centinated (Switzerland) http://www.centinated.ch/en/ Flint Hosts (UK) http://www.flinthosts.com And if you don't care whether they officially support CF or not, Rackspace UK http://www.rackspace.co.uk Andy On 15 June 2010 00:54, Dave Hatz daveh...@hatzventures.org wrote: We have a client that is looking to expand into Switzerland or Germany. Client wants to have his CF application hosted in Europe. Could I get some recommendations on CF Hosting across the pond? Thanks, Dave Hatz ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Hosting in Europe
Centinated (Switzerland) http://www.centinated.ch/en/ Flint Hosts (UK) http://www.flinthosts.com And if you don't care whether they officially support CF or not, Rackspace UK http://www.rackspace.co.uk Andy On 15 June 2010 00:54, Dave Hatz daveh...@hatzventures.org wrote: We have a client that is looking to expand into Switzerland or Germany. Client wants to have his CF application hosted in Europe. Could I get some recommendations on CF Hosting across the pond? Thanks, Dave Hatz ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Just Linux thankfully :-) On 2/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are all the VPS accounts at Viviotech on Linux? Are any on Windows? Rick -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. + 1 again for Viviotech. I've been very happy with my VPS bluedragon account. I'm not doing much on there right now but they are very helpfull. The control panel is great and when you want you can login through ssh and surf around the linux box, keep yourself up to date on the non-windows world. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270288 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
+ 1 again for Viviotech. I've been very happy with my VPS bluedragon account. I'm not doing much on there right now but they are very helpfull. The control panel is great and when you want you can login through ssh and surf around the linux box, keep yourself up to date on the non-windows world. On 2/19/07, Yves Arsenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with James I have a VPS package with Viviotech and I'm quite happy with it. Yves On 2/19/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just signed on with Viviotech and everything works well. For a lot of 3-5 page sites the smallest VPS will be fine, especially if you choose Bluedragon instead of CFMX (the resource footprint is smaller and it's cheaper). Vivio will do the DNS for you on their servers, so you don't have to run you own nameservers. Each site can get its own account on the box, with its own email etc. Finally, Jordan and the others are very helpful on the forums and via email. And no, I wasn't paid to post :-) On 2/20/07, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Che, Vivio Technologies offers VPS Accounts for $19.95 per month and CFMX7 is a $25 per month add-on. Total: $45 per month for all the domains you can squeeze on to your VPS Account. =) http://www.viviotech.net/hosting.cfm Best of luck to you in your search! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Che Vilnonis wrote: These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270166 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Hmmm... Thanks for all the responses. It seems I have some research to do... Che -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. + 1 again for Viviotech. I've been very happy with my VPS bluedragon account. I'm not doing much on there right now but they are very helpfull. The control panel is great and when you want you can login through ssh and surf around the linux box, keep yourself up to date on the non-windows world. On 2/19/07, Yves Arsenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with James I have a VPS package with Viviotech and I'm quite happy with it. Yves On 2/19/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just signed on with Viviotech and everything works well. For a lot of 3-5 page sites the smallest VPS will be fine, especially if you choose Bluedragon instead of CFMX (the resource footprint is smaller and it's cheaper). Vivio will do the DNS for you on their servers, so you don't have to run you own nameservers. Each site can get its own account on the box, with its own email etc. Finally, Jordan and the others are very helpful on the forums and via email. And no, I wasn't paid to post :-) On 2/20/07, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Che, Vivio Technologies offers VPS Accounts for $19.95 per month and CFMX7 is a $25 per month add-on. Total: $45 per month for all the domains you can squeeze on to your VPS Account. =) http://www.viviotech.net/hosting.cfm Best of luck to you in your search! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Che Vilnonis wrote: These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mp ick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Are all the VPS accounts at Viviotech on Linux? Are any on Windows? Rick -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. + 1 again for Viviotech. I've been very happy with my VPS bluedragon account. I'm not doing much on there right now but they are very helpfull. The control panel is great and when you want you can login through ssh and surf around the linux box, keep yourself up to date on the non-windows world. ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270179 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I can do that .. i dont charge extra per domain.; my cost factors are disk space and bandwidth everything else is unlimited (meaning have as many as you need, fitting inside the bandwidth and disk space limits). Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 2/20/07, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Thanks, Che ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I just registered with Gearhost. They allow 8 domains in the account level I'm at (level 3). http://www.gearhost.com/hosting/shared/ The highest account offers 20 domains. -Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Thanks, Che ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Where are your servers located? -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. I can do that .. i dont charge extra per domain.; my cost factors are disk space and bandwidth everything else is unlimited (meaning have as many as you need, fitting inside the bandwidth and disk space limits). Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 2/20/07, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Thanks, Che ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Andy, there's gotta be a CF host out there that only charges on bandwidth, not the number of domains. Anyone else know of any? ~Ché -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. I just registered with Gearhost. They allow 8 domains in the account level I'm at (level 3). http://www.gearhost.com/hosting/shared/ The highest account offers 20 domains. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270097 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
If you dont need to use createobject() / any other shared hosting banned stuff, then I would guess that godaddy are very hard to beat on pricing. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp (click on Compare Plans-Linux) Seems like you can have unlimited websites / 1000 GB transfer a month for about $9 USD a month (incl CF) Adrian ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Hmmm. I'll have to check them out. Thanks, Adrian. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. If you dont need to use createobject() / any other shared hosting banned stuff, then I would guess that godaddy are very hard to beat on pricing. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp (click on Compare Plans-Linux) Seems like you can have unlimited websites / 1000 GB transfer a month for about $9 USD a month (incl CF) Adrian ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Che, I should have mentioned: 1) I've not tried the godaddy hosting myself, so I dont know what the catch is (there always is one, isnt there) 2) Make sure you read the TC's http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?pageid=HOSTING%5FSA Especially the bit about website content. Adrian On 19/02/07, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I'll have to check them out. Thanks, Adrian. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. If you dont need to use createobject() / any other shared hosting banned stuff, then I would guess that godaddy are very hard to beat on pricing. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp (click on Compare Plans-Linux) Seems like you can have unlimited websites / 1000 GB transfer a month for about $9 USD a month (incl CF) Adrian ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I think I am safe. The theme is cars parts. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Che, I should have mentioned: 1) I've not tried the godaddy hosting myself, so I dont know what the catch is (there always is one, isnt there) 2) Make sure you read the TC's http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?pageid=HOSTING%5 FSA Especially the bit about website content. Adrian On 19/02/07, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. I'll have to check them out. Thanks, Adrian. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. If you dont need to use createobject() / any other shared hosting banned stuff, then I would guess that godaddy are very hard to beat on pricing. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp (click on Compare Plans-Linux) Seems like you can have unlimited websites / 1000 GB transfer a month for about $9 USD a month (incl CF) Adrian ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I just recently started using Godaddy for my personal website. You can have unlimited domains and sub-domains, restricted only by your disk allocation and bandwidth. You also get 1000 emails with a shared hosting account. I found their administration tools to be fairly straight forward and self-service, if a bit slow. If you check these and the Adobe forum's archives you will see quite a few complaints about Godaddy's CF technical support. I have only had to use it once to date. The first level support was clueless concerning my issue of creating a custom DSN pointing to a non-Godaddy database server. But after a few moments of confirmation that he did not have the answers to my questions - I asked for the next level and was immediately put through. This support person was knowledgeable and was able to converse with me and explain why Godaddy does not do this with their shared hosting accounts. Of course they would be happy to do it with a virtual dedicated server at ~$25 a month, but this was not important enough to me to compensate more then doubling my monthly expenses for this account. --- Hmmm. I'll have to check them out. Thanks, Adrian. -Original Message- From: Adrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. If you dont need to use createobject() / any other shared hosting banned stuff, then I would guess that godaddy are very hard to beat on pricing. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
-Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Well - you need to have your own CF license (or Blue Dragon or another CFML engine alternative) but CrystalTech still has the best prices I've seen for dedicated servers: $50/month for Linux and $80/month for Windows. I've used one of their cheapest windows servers for years and never had a problem. You get a lot of softwarein the kit and can add dedicated IPs at 4 for $4/month. Really a great deal considering some hosts are still charging $200 a month for virtual servers. Jim Davis ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270124 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpicker Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Thanks, Che ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270139 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpicker Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Thanks, Che ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpicker Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Hi Che, I would still contact hostingatoz as I doubt the costs would be much (based on past experiences with them). They seem to be very flexible. Cheers Mark These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270147 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
A dirty solution could be to use domain aliases, and then have your index.cfm do a lookup on the domain from a db and point to a sub directory :-) dirty but simple -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2007 21:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Che, I would still contact hostingatoz as I doubt the costs would be much (based on past experiences with them). They seem to be very flexible. Cheers Mark These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270148 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Try Viux VPS Extended Windows + CF http://hosting.viux.com/services/virtual/virtual-plans.asp Up to 30 domains, with CF, for $125/mo. Mik At 02:25 PM 2/19/2007, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. I recently purchased 25 related domains and I wish to create 25 simple 3-5 page CF web sites. Can anyone recommend a host that can do this with ONE ColdFusion account that doesn't cost a fortune? Aside from a SQL database, I don't need anything fancy since the sites will basically be monetized/affiliate pages. Also, I have no preference with regards to Linux/Windows. Well - you need to have your own CF license (or Blue Dragon or another CFML engine alternative) but CrystalTech still has the best prices I've seen for dedicated servers: $50/month for Linux and $80/month for Windows. I've used one of their cheapest windows servers for years and never had a problem. You get a lot of softwarein the kit and can add dedicated IPs at 4 for $4/month. Really a great deal considering some hosts are still charging $200 a month for virtual servers. Jim Davis ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
Hello Che, Vivio Technologies offers VPS Accounts for $19.95 per month and CFMX7 is a $25 per month add-on. Total: $45 per month for all the domains you can squeeze on to your VPS Account. =) http://www.viviotech.net/hosting.cfm Best of luck to you in your search! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Che Vilnonis wrote: These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I just signed on with Viviotech and everything works well. For a lot of 3-5 page sites the smallest VPS will be fine, especially if you choose Bluedragon instead of CFMX (the resource footprint is smaller and it's cheaper). Vivio will do the DNS for you on their servers, so you don't have to run you own nameservers. Each site can get its own account on the box, with its own email etc. Finally, Jordan and the others are very helpful on the forums and via email. And no, I wasn't paid to post :-) On 2/20/07, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Che, Vivio Technologies offers VPS Accounts for $19.95 per month and CFMX7 is a $25 per month add-on. Total: $45 per month for all the domains you can squeeze on to your VPS Account. =) http://www.viviotech.net/hosting.cfm Best of luck to you in your search! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Che Vilnonis wrote: These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account.
I agree with James I have a VPS package with Viviotech and I'm quite happy with it. Yves On 2/19/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just signed on with Viviotech and everything works well. For a lot of 3-5 page sites the smallest VPS will be fine, especially if you choose Bluedragon instead of CFMX (the resource footprint is smaller and it's cheaper). Vivio will do the DNS for you on their servers, so you don't have to run you own nameservers. Each site can get its own account on the box, with its own email etc. Finally, Jordan and the others are very helpful on the forums and via email. And no, I wasn't paid to post :-) On 2/20/07, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Che, Vivio Technologies offers VPS Accounts for $19.95 per month and CFMX7 is a $25 per month add-on. Total: $45 per month for all the domains you can squeeze on to your VPS Account. =) http://www.viviotech.net/hosting.cfm Best of luck to you in your search! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Che Vilnonis wrote: These are 25+ unique domains. I can find a PHP/Linux solution... but I would rather use CF since CF is what I am more familiar with. It seems kind of absurd that most CF web hosts won't offer unlimited domains since bandwidth is the main thing your are paying for. Che -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Hi Andy, Sorry about that, I think your right. I clearly didn't think about that point, I'm so use to just pointing other domains at the same content. (Although I suppose using the header info, you could still use domain aliases and just change content based on domain name). One thing I should have said before is, as good as the service is with hostingatoz, I would be a bit hesitant to host an online business that relies heavily on email. Their email issues from a couple of months ago (taking days to be delivered, or getting bounced back on regular basis) do seem to be fixed, but I would still try it for a little while before relying on it. Cheers Mark Is Che asking for aliases though? It sounds more like he's got 25 individual domains. -Original Message- From: Mark Picker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Question... 25+ domains with one account. Have you looked at hostingatoz.com? I don't know how many domain alias's your allowed but I recently asked for 4 additional ones and they didn't bat an eyelid, didn't cost any extra. Found their support to be really quick (a few minutes sometimes). I did have problems with their email service for a while, but after an upgrade that seems to have been resolved. No problems pointing .au domains at them. (Just so we are clear, this link is an affiliates link to the starting plan) $8 US a year (50Mb disk space, 1Gb traffic etc. They charge a onetime $5 US to add ColdFusion7 Enterprise to the account) https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1648282referrer=mpick er Once you go up to the SIII account and higher, it includes MX7 in the price ($20 US per year) Or where you looking for an Australian based company? Cheers Mark ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:270157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
I'm a big fan of Dantor.com. I know for a fact you have access above your web root. as for the space and bandwidth, they have different packages, most of them below the $27 you're spending now. I've been using them for projects for about 6 years...stable, responsive, nicely priced. And as contradictory as it may sound, i'm not affiliated with them in any way other than as a customer. ;) Doug :0) I'm currently a CrystalTech customer. For $27/month I get 1GB of disk space and 100GB of bandwidth to name a few. The only thing thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site for security. This way I can retrieve them with cfcontent and keep the docs from url access. Does anyone know of a CFhost provider that has access to folder above the clients webroot and offer cfdirectory and cffile along with high storage and bandwidth? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
Oh, and they've always proven themselves to be very good about keeping up with version updates. They are using MX7 and sql 2005. I'm a big fan of Dantor.com. I know for a fact you have access above your web root. as for the space and bandwidth, they have different packages, most of them below the $27 you're spending now. I've been using them for projects for about 6 years...stable, responsive, nicely priced. And as contradictory as it may sound, i'm not affiliated with them in any way other than as a customer. ;) Doug :0) I'm currently a CrystalTech customer. For $27/month I get 1GB of disk space and 100GB of bandwidth to name a few. The only thing thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site for security. This way I can retrieve them with cfcontent and keep the docs from url access. Does anyone know of a CFhost provider that has access to folder above the clients webroot and offer cfdirectory and cffile along with high storage and bandwidth? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236258 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
Does anyone know of a CFhost provider that has access to folder above the clients webroot and offer cfdirectory and cffile along with high storage and bandwidth? I have a site with CFDynamics and they have all you request, with their 49.95/month plan. Their less expensive plans do restrict cffile and cfdirectory. But you can get 15% off by paying for a year. http://www.cfdynamics.com/sharedhosting/sharedhosting_comparison.cfm -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236259 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
I can do that for you. My standard packages dont cater for that big a site but that doesnt mean i couldnt do it. I can configure a package for you however you like . And I think its almost essential ot have access to a level above the web root, for teh very purpose you're talking about. And we have full sandbox security so you can have cffile and cfdirectory turned on. (they're off by default but I turn them on for most of my own sites) Have a look at my packages at http://afpwebworks.com but ignore the disk space, bandwidth and pricing - if you're interested we'll work out something specific for you that meets your needs. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 3/28/06, j s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently a CrystalTech customer. For $27/month I get 1GB of disk space and 100GB of bandwidth to name a few. The only thing thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site for security. This way I can retrieve them with cfcontent and keep the docs from url access. Does anyone know of a CFhost provider that has access to folder above the clients webroot and offer cfdirectory and cffile along with high storage and bandwidth? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236261 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
The only thing thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site for security. The is a way to get around this problem: - store your docs in a special directory, but change the name to whatever.cfm - save the true name and type in your database. - put a file Application.cfm in the same directory that just contain CFABORT - make a tamplate to download the document with something like: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#trueFileName# CFCONTENT TYPE=application/octet-stream FILE=#pathDoc##localName# where trueFileName is the original file name of the document, pathDoc is the path where documents are stored as CFM files, and localName is the actual name of the file. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236270 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
Claude has a good solution there, but you could also have them create a secure directory that only you and the CF user has access to. Throw in an .htaccess file (or it's equivalent in the windows world if that's what you're on), so spiders don't try to index it. -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder The only thing thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site for security. The is a way to get around this problem: - store your docs in a special directory, but change the name to whatever.cfm - save the true name and type in your database. - put a file Application.cfm in the same directory that just contain CFABORT - make a tamplate to download the document with something like: cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=#trueFileName# CFCONTENT TYPE=application/octet-stream FILE=#pathDoc##localName# where trueFileName is the original file name of the document, pathDoc is the path where documents are stored as CFM files, and localName is the actual name of the file. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236273 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
You're serious about this? are you sure you didn't just setup your default
dreamweaver site to show from www/
I took a look at the hosting plan and of course there is nothing there about
this except the following. They allow you to host unlimited Microsoft Access
Databases on your site. Are they really saying you need to host those in
your www directory? javascript:BringUpWindow('popups/access.htm')
You've got to be missing something... I went though a period where I was
changing hosting companies like socks and I've never seen that. Especially
since I've seen people post crystaltech from time to time.
On 3/27/06, j s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently a CrystalTech customer. For $27/month I get 1GB of disk
space and 100GB of bandwidth to name a few. The only thing thats missing is
access to a folder above my webroot so I can store docs outside of my site
for security. This way I can retrieve them with cfcontent and keep the docs
from url access.
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I have been around and around fighting for a potential client on this
Issue and they are dead set there is no directory access outside the
root web folder.
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You're serious about this? are you sure you didn't just setup your default
dreamweaver site to show from www/ I took a look at the hosting plan and of
course there is nothing there about this except the following. They allow
you to host unlimited Microsoft Access Databases on your site. Are they
really saying you need to host those in your www directory?
javascript:BringUpWindow('popups/access.htm')
You've got to be missing something... I went though a period where I was
changing hosting companies like socks and I've never seen that. Especially
since I've seen people post crystaltech from time to time.
On 3/27/06, j s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently a CrystalTech customer. For $27/month I get 1GB of
disk space and 100GB of bandwidth to name a few. The only thing
thats missing is access to a folder above my webroot so I can store
docs outside of my site for security. This way I can retrieve them
with cfcontent and keep the docs from url access.
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Re: CF Hosting w/access above root folder
HostMySite provides access to the account root, serving web content from a folder under that. For your $27.95 you could get 4GB of space and 60GB of bandwidth. http://www.hostmysite.com/hosting/builder/ On 3/28/06, Coldfusion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been around and around fighting for a potential client on this Issue and they are dead set there is no directory access outside the root web folder. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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http://www.fusionlink.com/ ck'em out On 3/27/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HostMySite provides access to the account root, serving web content from a folder under that. For your $27.95 you could get 4GB of space and 60GB of bandwidth. http://www.hostmysite.com/hosting/builder/ On 3/28/06, Coldfusion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been around and around fighting for a potential client on this Issue and they are dead set there is no directory access outside the root web folder. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Hosting
Ok, I'll keep that in mind. Right now I am happy with Xtreme Hosting, but if they go belly up (or if my needs outgrow them), I'll check out HMS. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting They have non advertised' prices if you call them, none of my clients pay anymore than $14.95 a month on linux or winblows - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225396 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I am talking about CF hosting on Linux. Their cheapest package for that is $20/mo, which I agree is a decent price. But I currently am paying $3.50/mo for CF on Linux @ xtreme-host.com. I am a cheapskate, what can I say! :) -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting 2gb of space, their award winning 24x7 365 support, free domain name 2 free months with yearly payment for $14.95 a month is too steep for you?? ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:48 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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They have non advertised' prices if you call them, none of my clients pay anymore than $14.95 a month on linux or winblows ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:39 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CF Hosting I am talking about CF hosting on Linux. Their cheapest package for that is $20/mo, which I agree is a decent price. But I currently am paying $3.50/mo for CF on Linux @ xtreme-host.com. I am a cheapskate, what can I say! :) -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting 2gb of space, their award winning 24x7 365 support, free domain name 2 free months with yearly payment for $14.95 a month is too steep for you?? ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Munson, Jacob Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well just because windows tells you something, doesn't mean you have to trust it. I know that patches are probably not 100% installed if you don't reboot, but a lot of times microsoft likes you to reboot for no good reason. Simply because they don't 'trust' most windows users to follow directions properly. For example, if a patch updates something in IIS, it might be enough to just restart the WWW Publishing service, but the patch won't do that for you, and will instead ask you to reboot. Well, actually, no - when a patch requires a reboot, it's almost always for a very specific reason. It's because files are locked by the OS, and can't be replaced until the system reboots. There's a nifty utility on sysinternals.com that will show you when files are marked for rewriting after a reboot. Microsoft doesn't like you to do anything - they've received enough complaints from sysadmins that they've gone to pretty decent lengths to avoid reboots after patches when they can. If Apache needed to be updated, whether linux or windows, all that would be needed is to restart the apache service. Unlike IIS, Apache is completely separate from the OS. IIS is integrated pretty tightly into the OS, especially in Windows Server 2003. I know there are automated patching solutions, including the one straight from microsoft which lets you automatically install patches and reboot the pc at a certain time every night (if patches are available). I'm just not to a point where I trust microsoft enough not to mess up to enable that on my server. Good for you! Neither am I. However, again, I don't care for automatic installation of patches anyway, since I'd rather not install patches I don't need. Again, with proper initial configuration, you can often avoid installing Windows patches, because they patch things you've already disabled or removed. I'm not an expert to the point where I know exactly which services are needed and which ones are not. Perhaps it's because I never found a good reference for that. Perhaps, but you claimed to be an experienced Windows sysadmin. Knowing what services do, and which you need and don't need, is part of being a competent Windows sysadmin. But windows, by design, does not encourage good security practices. I think you're right, there, but it's not that difficult to adopt good security practices for Windows if you care to. You have to study security in some fashion to even know that the way services are installed on windows by default is not secure. You have to know that you need to create a user account for a program and then have that program's service set up to run under that account instead of local system. On linux, this is part of the core OS. There is no such thing as local system, and every program runs as some user. And most people know that you shouldn't run services as root, and instead create user accounts for it. So even if you're just poking around for the first time, it's more likely that you will set up a program more securely on linux then you would on windows. All of this is common knowledge to any competent sysadmin. If you're just poking around for the first time, you probably shouldn't be configuring servers for an untrusted network. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225224 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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2gb of space, their award winning 24x7 365 support, free domain name 2 free months with yearly payment for $14.95 a month is too steep for you?? ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:48 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225165 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. but a lot less applications running on it :-( -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225179 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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And just as a side note. We had a bunch of servers hacked a few months back, clients who thought they don't need a firewall :-) Of course once one went, it attacked all the others outside the firewall. Guess which servers were the ones most affected. Linux. -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 15:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. . but a lot less applications running on it :-( -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225182 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That is ridiculous... the GUI is always loaded, and while it might not be active 100% of the time while you're not logged in, it gets loaded when windows boots up and stays loaded taking up memory and some cpu cycles. The truth is somewhere between what you and Snake said. Part of the GUI is always loaded, but it's a very small part, actually. The Windows Explorer shell isn't loaded if no one is logged in. You can easily confirm this by connecting to a Windows server and running pslist. Someone on this list even reported that they found out only much later that their server had a 3d screensaver on, which was taking up 100% cpu when nobody was logged in, and they never knew, because they never physically logged in to the machine. That is certainly not a default setting. Someone had to choose to run that screensaver instead of the default logon.scr screensaver. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225187 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Thedesktop is only loaded if the machine is logged in at the desktop or via a terminal services session. A screensaver cannot run if no-one is logged in. Here is a very simple test for you. Logout of your machine and login again. The desktop is not instantly there, it has to load everything again and thus takes a few seconds to come up. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 05:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting That is ridiculous... the GUI is always loaded, and while it might not be active 100% of the time while you're not logged in, it gets loaded when windows boots up and stays loaded taking up memory and some cpu cycles. Someone on this list even reported that they found out only much later that their server had a 3d screensaver on, which was taking up 100% cpu when nobody was logged in, and they never knew, because they never physically logged in to the machine. The point is the GUI is always loaded, and takes up at least some (if minimal) resources. Linux doesn't need to have a GUI, the GUI is 100% optional, and thus it provides a much leaner OS. Not to mention that they don't need to come out with 10 patches every month that if you don't install will likely mean a virus... Linux has autoupdating that doesn't require rebooting the server like windows does... Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The GUI is only loaded when you login to windows. If your not logged in, it isn't loaded. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 18:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The bandwidth consumption doesn't matter. As has been said many times, any pc, with any os can pretty much saturate the bandwidth serving static content. Now, when hosting CF sites, I would guess Linux to be better, because linux overall uses resources better (CPU, RAM, etc). Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. Windows has a lot of overhead because of well windows... while linux can be run in pure text mode (without running X-Windows), which is perfect for servers, windows requires the GUI system to be loaded at all times, which cause windows to consume a lot more CPU and RAM, thus cutting down on performance. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225193 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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It's true that explorer is only loaded when somebody is logged in. However, the GUI and a bunch of other (some very unnessesary services for a server) are always running. Now, you mentioned in your previous post that some linux servers got hacked. Now, a poorly configured server, be it windows or linux will eventually get hacked. No software is perfect, and eventually a bug will be discovered on some software on your server that can lead to a compromise of that service. If you have configured the server properly, however, even though an attacker will be able to get into the server, he will not be able to do much. For example, if you do a default install of ColdFusion, it will run as as Local System on windows, an account which has full permissions to anything on the server. If ColdFusion happens to have some sort of bug (or an attacker is able to execute some cf code on your system, and you have CFEXECUTE enabled, for example), the attacker will be able to read any file on your system, and probably create admin accounts and eventually log into the system through remote desktop, should you have that enabled, and do whatever he pleases. If you install ColdFusion on linux, to my recollection it asks you what account you want to run under, and so you are forced to create a linux account fo r it. Unless you are stupid and put in root as the user coldfusion runs under, the only thing the attacker will be able to do once he logs in is mess with whatever files the coldfusion user has access to. Now recently there was a bug found in a popular php message board program. Those who ran apache and therefore php as root, were hacked and their machines rooted. Those who didn't, might've gotten hacked, but did not lose the whole machine, and were probably able to patch and restore from backup if necessary. As far as whether a firewall is needed, you don't need an external firewall with linux. It has a very robust firewall built in, either iptables, or on older version ipchains. You can do anything with those firewalls that you can do with hardware firewalls (In fact most hardware firewalls run some version of linux). Linux is just inherently more secure, has a lot of tools for security as well. There are things you can do with linux that you can only dream of doing on windows. Some of those things have been made possible by porting the linux tools to windows, but they are never the same. The problem with linux is that it is a lot more difficult to manage. There are no pretty GUI's to guide you, and a lot of stuff has to get done through command line or configuration files. However, most of the time, once you've configured something, you don't have to worry about it, until you need to make changes. With windows, things always tend to go wrong, although it's gotten a lot better with Windows 2003. Too bad MS SQL doesn't run on linux. I still haven't found anything that comes close in each of managibilty. Now with the coming out of MS SQL 2005 express, it's going to be hard to beat. Especially with Oracle buying the company that owns the InnoDB engine (that is one of the core engines that powers MySQL). Perhaps I'll set up some servers on linux running CF and one server running MS SQL. This way I can have the best of both worlds. Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Thedesktop is only loaded if the machine is logged in at the desktop or via a terminal services session. A screensaver cannot run if no-one is logged in. Here is a very simple test for you. Logout of your machine and login again. The desktop is not instantly there, it has to load everything again and thus takes a few seconds to come up. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 05:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting That is ridiculous... the GUI is always loaded, and while it might not be active 100% of the time while you're not logged in, it gets loaded when windows boots up and stays loaded taking up memory and some cpu cycles. Someone on this list even reported that they found out only much later that their server had a 3d screensaver on, which was taking up 100% cpu when nobody was logged in, and they never knew, because they never physically logged in to the machine. The point is the GUI is always loaded, and takes up at least some (if minimal) resources. Linux doesn't need to have a GUI, the GUI is 100% optional, and thus it provides a much leaner OS. Not to mention that they don't need to come out with 10 patches every month that if you don't install will likely mean a virus... Linux has autoupdating that doesn't require rebooting the server like windows does... Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The GUI is only loaded when
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Well the reason these servers got hacked is cozz the sysadmins thought linux is hackproof and virus proof and doesn't need a firewall or antivirus software. As indeed do most linux sysamdins that every startup a windows vs linux discussion on a list. I just found it very entertaining that those servers got infected with worms and trojans, and most of the windows server, which really were not secure and not run by people that knew what they were doing and were not even patched, escaped. Personally I use windows simply because I like the GUI environment. I really couldn't give a hoot about linux or what it can or can't do, I simply choose not to use it. So I have nothing against it what so ever. It's just the people that use it and insist it is the best thing since god created man that irritates me. -- snake -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 21:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It's true that explorer is only loaded when somebody is logged in. However, the GUI and a bunch of other (some very unnessesary services for a server) are always running. Now, you mentioned in your previous post that some linux servers got hacked. Now, a poorly configured server, be it windows or linux will eventually get hacked. No software is perfect, and eventually a bug will be discovered on some software on your server that can lead to a compromise of that service. If you have configured the server properly, however, even though an attacker will be able to get into the server, he will not be able to do much. For example, if you do a default install of ColdFusion, it will run as as Local System on windows, an account which has full permissions to anything on the server. If ColdFusion happens to have some sort of bug (or an attacker is able to execute some cf code on your system, and you have CFEXECUTE enabled, for example), the attacker will be able to read any file on your system, and probably create admin accounts and eventually log into the system through remote desktop, should you have that enabled, and do whatever he pleases. If you install ColdFusion on linux, to my recollection it asks you what account you want to run under, and so you are forced to create a linux account fo r it. Unless you are stupid and put in root as the user coldfusion runs under, the only thing the attacker will be able to do once he logs in is mess with whatever files the coldfusion user has access to. Now recently there was a bug found in a popular php message board program. Those who ran apache and therefore php as root, were hacked and their machines rooted. Those who didn't, might've gotten hacked, but did not lose the whole machine, and were probably able to patch and restore from backup if necessary. As far as whether a firewall is needed, you don't need an external firewall with linux. It has a very robust firewall built in, either iptables, or on older version ipchains. You can do anything with those firewalls that you can do with hardware firewalls (In fact most hardware firewalls run some version of linux). Linux is just inherently more secure, has a lot of tools for security as well. There are things you can do with linux that you can only dream of doing on windows. Some of those things have been made possible by porting the linux tools to windows, but they are never the same. The problem with linux is that it is a lot more difficult to manage. There are no pretty GUI's to guide you, and a lot of stuff has to get done through command line or configuration files. However, most of the time, once you've configured something, you don't have to worry about it, until you need to make changes. With windows, things always tend to go wrong, although it's gotten a lot better with Windows 2003. Too bad MS SQL doesn't run on linux. I still haven't found anything that comes close in each of managibilty. Now with the coming out of MS SQL 2005 express, it's going to be hard to beat. Especially with Oracle buying the company that owns the InnoDB engine (that is one of the core engines that powers MySQL). Perhaps I'll set up some servers on linux running CF and one server running MS SQL. This way I can have the best of both worlds. Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Thedesktop is only loaded if the machine is logged in at the desktop or via a terminal services session. A screensaver cannot run if no-one is logged in. Here is a very simple test for you. Logout of your machine and login again. The desktop is not instantly there, it has to load everything again and thus takes a few seconds to come up. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 05:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting That is ridiculous... the GUI is always loaded, and while it might not be active 100% of the time while
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It's true that explorer is only loaded when somebody is logged in. However, the GUI and a bunch of other (some very unnessesary services for a server) are always running. Now, you mentioned in your previous post that some linux servers got hacked. Now, a poorly configured server, be it windows or linux will eventually get hacked. No software is perfect, and eventually a bug will be discovered on some software on your server that can lead to a compromise of that service. If you have configured the server properly, however, even though an attacker will be able to get into the server, he will not be able to do much. For example, if you do a default install of ColdFusion, it will run as as Local System on windows, an account which has full permissions to anything on the server. If ColdFusion happens to have some sort of bug (or an attacker is able to execute some cf code on your system, and you have CFEXECUTE enabled, for example), the attacker will be able to read any file on your system, and probably create admin accounts and eventually log into the system through remote desktop, should you have that enabled, and do whatever he pleases. If you install ColdFusion on linux, to my recollection it asks you what account you want to run under, and so you are forced to create a linux account fo r it. Unless you are stupid and put in root as the user coldfusion runs under, the only thing the attacker will be able to do once he logs in is mess with whatever files the coldfusion user has access to. Now recently there was a bug found in a popular php message board program. Those who ran apache and therefore php as root, were hacked and their machines rooted. Those who didn't, might've gotten hacked, but did not lose the whole machine, and were probably able to patch and restore from backup if necessary. As far as whether a firewall is needed, you don't need an external firewall with linux. It has a very robust firewall built in, either iptables, or on older version ipchains. You can do anything with those firewalls that you can do with hardware firewalls (In fact most hardware firewalls run some version of linux). Linux is just inherently more secure, has a lot of tools for security as well. There are things you can do with linux that you can only dream of doing on windows. Some of those things have been made possible by porting the linux tools to windows, but they are never the same. The problem with linux is that it is a lot more difficult to manage. There are no pretty GUI's to guide you, and a lot of stuff has to get done through command line or configuration files. However, most of the time, once you've configured something, you don't have to worry about it, until you need to make changes. With windows, things always tend to go wrong, although it's gotten a lot better with Windows 2003. Too bad MS SQL doesn't run on linux. I still haven't found anything that comes close in each of managibilty. Now with the coming out of MS SQL 2005 express, it's going to be hard to beat. Especially with Oracle buying the company that owns the InnoDB engine (that is one of the core engines that powers MySQL). Perhaps I'll set up some servers on linux running CF and one server running MS SQL. This way I can have the best of both worlds. Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Thedesktop is only loaded if the machine is logged in at the desktop or via a terminal services session. A screensaver cannot run if no-one is logged in. Here is a very simple test for you. Logout of your machine and login again. The desktop is not instantly there, it has to load everything again and thus takes a few seconds to come up. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225204 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well like I said, a poorly configured server, is a poorly configured server. Just because there happened to be a worm that affects linux systems going around and those machines got affected, it doesn't mean that the next time there is a windows worm (which is far more likely), the windows machines wont' get taken down. No server is hackerproof, and anybody who thinks so, should go and take an introductory course on computer security. But a well configured linux server that is properly updated will stand up to 99% of whats out there. And the fact that linux doesn't require you to reboot everytime that you do updates (and updates can be done totally automatically through up2date, for most software), will keep linux servers better patched then windows. We have several servers that have had windows updates installed, but haven't been rebooted because we can't take down production systems, and nobody is willing to wake up @ 3am to reboot them. Now that's probably a ticking timebomb, as I'm not sure how patched a server really is if you don't reboot it after windows updates. But I guess we've been lucky so far... Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Well the reason these servers got hacked is cozz the sysadmins thought linux is hackproof and virus proof and doesn't need a firewall or antivirus software. As indeed do most linux sysamdins that every startup a windows vs linux discussion on a list. I just found it very entertaining that those servers got infected with worms and trojans, and most of the windows server, which really were not secure and not run by people that knew what they were doing and were not even patched, escaped. Personally I use windows simply because I like the GUI environment. I really couldn't give a hoot about linux or what it can or can't do, I simply choose not to use it. So I have nothing against it what so ever. It's just the people that use it and insist it is the best thing since god created man that irritates me. -- snake -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 21:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It's true that explorer is only loaded when somebody is logged in. However, the GUI and a bunch of other (some very unnessesary services for a server) are always running. Now, you mentioned in your previous post that some linux servers got hacked. Now, a poorly configured server, be it windows or linux will eventually get hacked. No software is perfect, and eventually a bug will be discovered on some software on your server that can lead to a compromise of that service. If you have configured the server properly, however, even though an attacker will be able to get into the server, he will not be able to do much. For example, if you do a default install of ColdFusion, it will run as as Local System on windows, an account which has full permissions to anything on the server. If ColdFusion happens to have some sort of bug (or an attacker is able to execute some cf code on your system, and you have CFEXECUTE enabled, for example), the attacker will be able to read any file on your system, and probably create admin accounts and eventually log into the system through remote desktop, should you have that enabled, and do whatever he pleases. If you install ColdFusion on linux, to my recollection it asks you what account you want to run under, and so you are forced to create a linux account fo r it. Unless you are stupid and put in root as the user coldfusion runs under, the only thing the attacker will be able to do once he logs in is mess with whatever files the coldfusion user has access to. Now recently there was a bug found in a popular php message board program. Those who ran apache and therefore php as root, were hacked and their machines rooted. Those who didn't, might've gotten hacked, but did not lose the whole machine, and were probably able to patch and restore from backup if necessary. As far as whether a firewall is needed, you don't need an external firewall with linux. It has a very robust firewall built in, either iptables, or on older version ipchains. You can do anything with those firewalls that you can do with hardware firewalls (In fact most hardware firewalls run some version of linux). Linux is just inherently more secure, has a lot of tools for security as well. There are things you can do with linux that you can only dream of doing on windows. Some of those things have been made possible by porting the linux tools to windows, but they are never the same. The problem with linux is that it is a lot more difficult to manage. There are no pretty GUI's to guide you, and a lot of stuff has to get done through command line or configuration files. However, most of the time, once you've configured something, you don't have to worry about it, until you need to make
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It's true that explorer is only loaded when somebody is logged in. However, the GUI and a bunch of other (some very unnessesary services for a server) are always running. Windows Explorer IS the GUI. As for unnecessary services, you can turn all but nine of them off on Windows 2000. Again, you can easily confirm this by connecting to a Windows box through a command prompt, and using pslist to see what's running. If you have configured the server properly, however, even though an attacker will be able to get into the server, he will not be able to do much. For example, if you do a default install of ColdFusion, it will run as as Local System on windows, an account which has full permissions to anything on the server. If you do a default install of practically anything, it will be less secure than it should be. If you do a default install of practically anything, you have not configured the server properly. It is very easy to run CFMX with a non-privileged account in Windows. It typically can be set up in a matter of minutes. As far as whether a firewall is needed, you don't need an external firewall with linux. It has a very robust firewall built in, either iptables, or on older version ipchains. You can do anything with those firewalls that you can do with hardware firewalls (In fact most hardware firewalls run some version of linux). You can easily set up simple packet-filtering rulesets on Windows using IP security policies. But in any case, most security problems with web/application servers come from the web and application services and the applications they run, not from other things. Firewalls don't generally help too much with that. Linux is just inherently more secure, has a lot of tools for security as well. I would agree that, historically at least, Linux has been more secure by default. However, very few OSs are secure enough by default, and they therefore need to be configured by knowledgeable people to be secure enough for use on an untrusted network. So, as a general guide, you should probably work with the system you know best. Personally, I would rather be responsible for securing a Windows server than a Linux server, since I'm more familiar with Windows and how to secure it. There are things you can do with linux that you can only dream of doing on windows. The reverse is also true, for what that's worth. I can think of five or six things offhand that I can do with Windows that are very important to me - and I can't do them with Linux (or OS X, which I'd probably use if it weren't for those things). The problem with linux is that it is a lot more difficult to manage. There are no pretty GUI's to guide you, and a lot of stuff has to get done through command line or configuration files. However, most of the time, once you've configured something, you don't have to worry about it, until you need to make changes. With windows, things always tend to go wrong, although it's gotten a lot better with Windows 2003. No, the problem with Linux is that it's a lot more difficult to manage, if you're not already knowledgeable about it. Windows is a lot easier to stumble around in. They both require significant amounts of knowledge to manage. Once you have that knowledge, though, things don't always tend to go wrong. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225209 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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But a well configured linux server that is properly updated will stand up to 99% of whats out there. So will a well-configured Windows server. And the fact that linux doesn't require you to reboot everytime that you do updates (and updates can be done totally automatically through up2date, for most software), will keep linux servers better patched then windows. We have several servers that have had windows updates installed, but haven't been rebooted because we can't take down production systems, and nobody is willing to wake up @ 3am to reboot them. Now that's probably a ticking timebomb, as I'm not sure how patched a server really is if you don't reboot it after windows updates. But I guess we've been lucky so far... First, most Windows updates don't require a reboot. Second, there are all sorts of automated patching solutions in the Windows world, if you're interested in using them. I'm not a big fan of automated patching of production servers - a properly-configured server will not need the vast majority of patches available, since you will have disabled or removed the thing being patched in most cases. Oh, and Windows has a task scheduler, so if you want to reboot servers during off-hours, you can do that pretty easily. And no, if a patch requires a reboot and you don't reboot the server, the patch is not yet applied. Finally, based on the above paragraph, I would recommend that you hire an experienced Windows sysadmin. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225210 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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We do have an experienced windows sysadmin... Namely me... I know that you can set up a scheduled task to reboot the server, but I don't want to take the risk of the servers not coming back up properly (as often is the case with windows). For example, recently crystal tech was performing maintanence on our servers (basically moving them from one segment to another, or something to that extent). They turned off the server, moved it to it's new home, and then turned it back on. They however, forgot to make sure that the network was up and running (or forgot to plug in the ethernet cable right away). So guess what we discovered the following morning? We couldn't access any of the sites because the DNS Server service decided not to start as there was no network connection. The SmarterMail service also decided not to work properly, as there was not network address to bind to. Now, I'm not sure if Linux would've handled this better (my guess is that it would), but this is just an example of what can happen when windows is rebooted. The point is that Linux doesn't require a reboot when it gets updates, only windows does. This is due to the fact that windows updates patch core windows components, things that shouldn't have problems in the first place. Windows inherently has problems. Linux might have problems too, but Linux has a smaller userbase, and therefore less people interested in writing worms for it. When a real hacker writes a worm, it's not just to take systems down, or get famous. Most of the time they're doing it to infect the host computers and either turn them into warez servers or turn them into soldiers in their robot army used for DDOS attacks. Even a well configured Windows system can be taken down, due to the fact that a lot of problems exist in the core windows components, things that cannot be disabled. Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting But a well configured linux server that is properly updated will stand up to 99% of whats out there. So will a well-configured Windows server. And the fact that linux doesn't require you to reboot everytime that you do updates (and updates can be done totally automatically through up2date, for most software), will keep linux servers better patched then windows. We have several servers that have had windows updates installed, but haven't been rebooted because we can't take down production systems, and nobody is willing to wake up @ 3am to reboot them. Now that's probably a ticking timebomb, as I'm not sure how patched a server really is if you don't reboot it after windows updates. But I guess we've been lucky so far... First, most Windows updates don't require a reboot. Second, there are all sorts of automated patching solutions in the Windows world, if you're interested in using them. I'm not a big fan of automated patching of production servers - a properly-configured server will not need the vast majority of patches available, since you will have disabled or removed the thing being patched in most cases. Oh, and Windows has a task scheduler, so if you want to reboot servers during off-hours, you can do that pretty easily. And no, if a patch requires a reboot and you don't reboot the server, the patch is not yet applied. Finally, based on the above paragraph, I would recommend that you hire an experienced Windows sysadmin. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225212 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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We do have an experienced windows sysadmin... Namely me... OK. Don't take this personally, but you're the same person who said you didn't know whether patches were applied, right? You don't know about automated patching solutions? You don't know what services can or can't be turned off on a production Windows web application server? The point is that Linux doesn't require a reboot when it gets updates, only windows does. This is due to the fact that windows updates patch core windows components, things that shouldn't have problems in the first place. Windows inherently has problems. Every complex system inherently has problems. Again, most Windows patches do not require reboots. Windows patches sometimes affect core OS components, as do Linux patches. Of course, what's a core OS component anyway? On Windows, IIS is considered a core OS component and of course if you're using it, you'll be concerned that it's adequately secure. But many, many Windows patches affect end-user applications like IE. Are you using IE from your server console to browse the internet? Again, proper system configuration beforehand can help you avoid most of these problems. Most available Windows patches are not needed in a properly configured production web application server environment. Even a well configured Windows system can be taken down, due to the fact that a lot of problems exist in the core windows components, things that cannot be disabled. A well-configured system, running any mainstream OS, on an untrusted network, can be taken down if it does anything useful on that network. But any competent Windows system administrator can reduce the probability of being vulnerable to automated attacks to near zero. Although it's a little dated, you might find the O'Reilly book Securing Windows NT/2000 Servers for the Internet (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/securwinserv/) useful. Again, I don't want you to take this as a personal attack, because it's not. But I'm a bit irked when people say over and over again that Windows servers can't be adequately secured, because they can. And it's just not that difficult to do, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225213 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well just because windows tells you something, doesn't mean you have to trust it. I know that patches are probably not 100% installed if you don't reboot, but a lot of times microsoft likes you to reboot for no good reason. Simply because they don't 'trust' most windows users to follow directions properly. For example, if a patch updates something in IIS, it might be enough to just restart the WWW Publishing service, but the patch won't do that for you, and will instead ask you to reboot. If Apache needed to be updated, whether linux or windows, all that would be needed is to restart the apache service. I know there are automated patching solutions, including the one straight from microsoft which lets you automatically install patches and reboot the pc at a certain time every night (if patches are available). I'm just not to a point where I trust microsoft enough not to mess up to enable that on my server. I'm not an expert to the point where I know exactly which services are needed and which ones are not. Perhaps it's because I never found a good reference for that. I have used the NSA templates in the past to lock down the servers, but so far I've found them to be a bit problematic from a compatibility standpoint. And since server management is only a small part of my current job, I don't have time to troubleshoot the problems it will cause. I would appreciate a good reference though to what services can be disabled while not affecting the accessibility of a web server machine. I'm not saying that windows cannot be adequatelly secure. But windows, by design, does not encourage good security practices. You have to study security in some fashion to even know that the way services are installed on windows by default is not secure. You have to know that you need to create a user account for a program and then have that program's service set up to run under that account instead of local system. On linux, this is part of the core OS. There is no such thing as local system, and every program runs as some user. And most people know that you shouldn't run services as root, and instead create user accounts for it. So even if you're just poking around for the first time, it's more likely that you will set up a program more securely on linux then you would on windows. Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting We do have an experienced windows sysadmin... Namely me... OK. Don't take this personally, but you're the same person who said you didn't know whether patches were applied, right? You don't know about automated patching solutions? You don't know what services can or can't be turned off on a production Windows web application server? The point is that Linux doesn't require a reboot when it gets updates, only windows does. This is due to the fact that windows updates patch core windows components, things that shouldn't have problems in the first place. Windows inherently has problems. Every complex system inherently has problems. Again, most Windows patches do not require reboots. Windows patches sometimes affect core OS components, as do Linux patches. Of course, what's a core OS component anyway? On Windows, IIS is considered a core OS component and of course if you're using it, you'll be concerned that it's adequately secure. But many, many Windows patches affect end-user applications like IE. Are you using IE from your server console to browse the internet? Again, proper system configuration beforehand can help you avoid most of these problems. Most available Windows patches are not needed in a properly configured production web application server environment. Even a well configured Windows system can be taken down, due to the fact that a lot of problems exist in the core windows components, things that cannot be disabled. A well-configured system, running any mainstream OS, on an untrusted network, can be taken down if it does anything useful on that network. But any competent Windows system administrator can reduce the probability of being vulnerable to automated attacks to near zero. Although it's a little dated, you might find the O'Reilly book Securing Windows NT/2000 Servers for the Internet (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/securwinserv/) useful. Again, I don't want you to take this as a personal attack, because it's not. But I'm a bit irked when people say over and over again that Windows servers can't be adequately secured, because they can. And it's just not that difficult to do, either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information
RE: CF Hosting
I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting host my site goes above and beyond any host i have ever used, I will never use anyone else again, period! Getting my own dedicated server there in a month or so :) and a big hehe at winblows Rock on bill! ( u shmuck!!) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CF Hosting I add a voice for HMS (Smarterlinux). When I looked for hosts, Linux was one of my criteria, even though my desktop is Windblows. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225069 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Gordon Bennet! I see what you mean - $3.50 per month for a basic Linux plan with CF. That does take some beating... On 11/23/05, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225077 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting host my site goes above and beyond any host i have ever used, I will never use anyone else again, period! Getting my own dedicated server there in a month or so :) and a big hehe at winblows Rock on bill! ( u shmuck!!) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CF Hosting I add a voice for HMS (Smarterlinux). When I looked for hosts, Linux was one of my criteria, even though my desktop is Windblows. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225099 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225103 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The bandwidth consumption doesn't matter. As has been said many times, any pc, with any os can pretty much saturate the bandwidth serving static content. Now, when hosting CF sites, I would guess Linux to be better, because linux overall uses resources better (CPU, RAM, etc). Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. Windows has a lot of overhead because of well windows... while linux can be run in pure text mode (without running X-Windows), which is perfect for servers, windows requires the GUI system to be loaded at all times, which cause windows to consume a lot more CPU and RAM, thus cutting down on performance. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225105 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Hosting Linux vs. Windows
The bandwidth consumption doesn't matter. As has been said many times, any pc, with any os can pretty much saturate the bandwidth serving static content. Now, when hosting CF sites, I would guess Linux to be better, because linux overall uses resources better (CPU, RAM, etc). Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. Windows has a lot of overhead because of well windows... while linux can be run in pure text mode (without running X-Windows), which is perfect for servers, windows requires the GUI system to be loaded at all times, which cause windows to consume a lot more CPU and RAM, thus cutting down on performance. That was my understanding as well. If you want to make a lot more money in hosting, you can use Linux servers and put more people on one box, thus saving money in more ways than one (hard ware cost/maintenance, space, power, etc.) - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225107 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Not personally, but I have read a fair amount of arguments on windows vs linux, and I haven't read and linux claims that are not possible on windows now. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 18:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225152 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Hosting
The GUI is only loaded when you login to windows. If your not logged in, it isn't loaded. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 18:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The bandwidth consumption doesn't matter. As has been said many times, any pc, with any os can pretty much saturate the bandwidth serving static content. Now, when hosting CF sites, I would guess Linux to be better, because linux overall uses resources better (CPU, RAM, etc). Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. Windows has a lot of overhead because of well windows... while linux can be run in pure text mode (without running X-Windows), which is perfect for servers, windows requires the GUI system to be loaded at all times, which cause windows to consume a lot more CPU and RAM, thus cutting down on performance. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225153 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That is ridiculous... the GUI is always loaded, and while it might not be active 100% of the time while you're not logged in, it gets loaded when windows boots up and stays loaded taking up memory and some cpu cycles. Someone on this list even reported that they found out only much later that their server had a 3d screensaver on, which was taking up 100% cpu when nobody was logged in, and they never knew, because they never physically logged in to the machine. The point is the GUI is always loaded, and takes up at least some (if minimal) resources. Linux doesn't need to have a GUI, the GUI is 100% optional, and thus it provides a much leaner OS. Not to mention that they don't need to come out with 10 patches every month that if you don't install will likely mean a virus... Linux has autoupdating that doesn't require rebooting the server like windows does... Russ -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The GUI is only loaded when you login to windows. If your not logged in, it isn't loaded. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 18:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The bandwidth consumption doesn't matter. As has been said many times, any pc, with any os can pretty much saturate the bandwidth serving static content. Now, when hosting CF sites, I would guess Linux to be better, because linux overall uses resources better (CPU, RAM, etc). Linux is just a lighter OS, that's a lot more stable then windows, with a lot more features. Windows has a lot of overhead because of well windows... while linux can be run in pure text mode (without running X-Windows), which is perfect for servers, windows requires the GUI system to be loaded at all times, which cause windows to consume a lot more CPU and RAM, thus cutting down on performance. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Have you done comparisons with Linux? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting It was true in the past, but with win2k3 it's not. For an example, on cfdeveloper I have hosted 2000 coldfusion sites on a single low spec win2k box with only 512mb ram. Granted these are all developer sites and thus not very active, but a decent spec server with lots of ram should be able to do similar. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 14:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting I looked at HMS, and their prices are a bit steep for me. I'm sure they are well worth it, but I just wish they had a lower end product with CF (like my current host). I have heard from people that run hosting services that you can put more shared hosts on a Linux server than you can on a Windows server. Has anybody found that to be true? I would figure that Win2k3 would be able to at least match a Linux server in bandwidth throughput, but I've got no experience in the area. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225162 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Most of the web may be run of flinux server, but to date we have NEVER, NOT ONCE, had someone ask if we do Linux CF hosting. Every single customer/developer we have has developed on windows, and I can't imagine many cf developers running linux as their desktop OS. Russ -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 15:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. I'll grant that most CF users use Windows, and even that most people use Windows. But in web servers it is a slim margin. Netcraft reports that ~71% of web servers run apache: http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200511/byserver/index.html I found an article that stated that 50% of Apache is on Linux: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6065/1/ IIS has ~20% of the web server market share (Netcraft). If you do the math, putting the Apache Windows installs together with the IIS installs, it adds up to 55% of the web servers in total. So, somewhere between 40-45% of the web is not on Windows (who knows what OS all the 'other' web servers are on?). The majority of the web is on Windows, but choosing to be a windows house, you are cutting out 40-45% of your potential market. If you had 10 customers come up to you tomorrow and ask for hosting, you'd have to turn away 4 or 5 of them because you don't offer Linux. From my experience, most of the hosts out there give their customers an option between Windows or Linux. Again, I realize that the large majority of CF sites are on Windows, so if you are focusing on CF hosting, then Windows is a good bet. :) - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224948 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well there's one reason why I don't have any interest in doing Linux hosting, cozz your all snobs :-) But really, more hassle, more obnoxious customers, more support, for what? Less customers than will pay the salary of a Linux expert. As I said, we have had no customers ask for Linux, and as we only do CF, not PHP, then why bother. Russ -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 16:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Very good points, Ken. However, for a hosting business, it is not hard to find a few Linux experts and open your doors to Linux hosters. In a one man shop, it is very smart to focus on your area of expertise. But businesses can take their revenues and expand into new areas if they chose to. As long as they keep the Linux guys separated from the Windows guys! ;) Personally, I have found at least 3 CF hosts that offered Linux. And those are the ones what are competing for my business (and others like me). The Windows only crowds will never get my business because I am a Linux snob (on the server side, I do use Windows for my desktop). If a Windows only host were to expand into Linux, they could try to undercut the current hosts with features and/or price and capture some of their market. Microsoft does this all the time. Take a look at Internet Explorer and the Xbox. Was the web browser and the gaming market an expertise for MS? No, but they wanted to make more money, so they decided to jump in. Currently IE has 85% of the web's market share. Xbox is in 2nd place in the console market (behind Sony), and I believe that the Xbox 360 will put them into first place (even though I am a Nintendo fan). I think it was well worth it for Microsoft expand their horizons. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Still, sometimes it's more economically efficient to turn customers away than it is to offer something you won't be able to support as well. Sometimes it's very well worth it to concentrate on your areas of efficiency. If 10 potential customers approach me to build them an ecommerce app tomorrow, I'll have to turn several of them away because they'll want PHP or ASP. I'm sure I could deliver what they want in those languages, but it's not what I do and it's not what I want to do. It's not my area of maximum efficiency. It's therefore more prudent for me to turn away the non CF customers than to offer a choice of languages. Same thing as offering only Windows or only Linux... A lot of businesses have failed for trying to do things outside of their areas of efficiency--trying to do more than what they can do best. --Ferg [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224949 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Most of the web may be run of flinux server, but to date we have NEVER, NOT ONCE, had someone ask if we do Linux CF hosting. There is a very good reason for that. You have a website. And from your website it is obvious you don't do Linux. I heard about you guys from someone a couple of weeks ago and went and checked your site. When I didn't see Linux, I went away. So very literally you lost me as a customer. I'm sure you guys are all very cool guys, and I'm sure your service is top notch, etc. But I don't do Windows web hosting, and there are millions of others like me according to the surveys/stats I've seen. But it's your choice, if you don't want to offer Linux hosting, that's fine. You'll still have a successful business, and people like me will be just as happy with our Linux hosts. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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It's true... even though our servers are running windows, the only reason is that our apps need sql server. If I were to start fresh, I would design something that's linux compatible. We have several servers with crystaltech, and when we decided to add capacity and load balancing, they lost us, because a. they didn't support linux which we used for our dedicated mail server and b. they didn't support hardware load balancing which HMS threw in for free. I had asked crystaltech whether they do linux hosting, but only because I was already a customer and didn't want to leave if possible. If I was a new customer, I would've just looked at the website, seen that they don't offer linux hosting and let my fingers do the walking... Russ -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Most of the web may be run of flinux server, but to date we have NEVER, NOT ONCE, had someone ask if we do Linux CF hosting. There is a very good reason for that. You have a website. And from your website it is obvious you don't do Linux. I heard about you guys from someone a couple of weeks ago and went and checked your site. When I didn't see Linux, I went away. So very literally you lost me as a customer. I'm sure you guys are all very cool guys, and I'm sure your service is top notch, etc. But I don't do Windows web hosting, and there are millions of others like me according to the surveys/stats I've seen. But it's your choice, if you don't want to offer Linux hosting, that's fine. You'll still have a successful business, and people like me will be just as happy with our Linux hosts. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224959 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I add a voice for HMS (Smarterlinux). When I looked for hosts, Linux was one of my criteria, even though my desktop is Windblows. On 11/22/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's true... even though our servers are running windows, the only reason is that our apps need sql server. If I were to start fresh, I would design something that's linux compatible. We have several servers with crystaltech, and when we decided to add capacity and load balancing, they lost us, because a. they didn't support linux which we used for our dedicated mail server and b. they didn't support hardware load balancing which HMS threw in for free. I had asked crystaltech whether they do linux hosting, but only because I was already a customer and didn't want to leave if possible. If I was a new customer, I would've just looked at the website, seen that they don't offer linux hosting and let my fingers do the walking... -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225037 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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host my site goes above and beyond any host i have ever used, I will never use anyone else again, period! Getting my own dedicated server there in a month or so :) and a big hehe at winblows Rock on bill! ( u shmuck!!) ~Dave the disruptor~ good sites - make money getting rid of ie :) http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:46 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CF Hosting I add a voice for HMS (Smarterlinux). When I looked for hosts, Linux was one of my criteria, even though my desktop is Windblows. On 11/22/05, Russ wrote: It's true... even though our servers are running windows, the only reason is that our apps need sql server. If I were to start fresh, I would design something that's linux compatible. We have several servers with crystaltech, and when we decided to add capacity and load balancing, they lost us, because a. they didn't support linux which we used for our dedicated mail server and b. they didn't support hardware load balancing which HMS threw in for free. I had asked crystaltech whether they do linux hosting, but only because I was already a customer and didn't want to leave if possible. If I was a new customer, I would've just looked at the website, seen that they don't offer linux hosting and let my fingers do the walking... -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225039 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. I'll grant that most CF users use Windows, and even that most people use Windows. But in web servers it is a slim margin. Netcraft reports that ~71% of web servers run apache: http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200511/byserver/index.html I found an article that stated that 50% of Apache is on Linux: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6065/1/ IIS has ~20% of the web server market share (Netcraft). If you do the math, putting the Apache Windows installs together with the IIS installs, it adds up to 55% of the web servers in total. So, somewhere between 40-45% of the web is not on Windows (who knows what OS all the 'other' web servers are on?). The majority of the web is on Windows, but choosing to be a windows house, you are cutting out 40-45% of your potential market. If you had 10 customers come up to you tomorrow and ask for hosting, you'd have to turn away 4 or 5 of them because you don't offer Linux. From my experience, most of the hosts out there give their customers an option between Windows or Linux. Again, I realize that the large majority of CF sites are on Windows, so if you are focusing on CF hosting, then Windows is a good bet. :) - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224799 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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How on earth could they come back with that? There is not founding to this. Did they sample EVERY webserver on the planet? No, not likely, so it is more a case of 71% of the sample webservers run Apache - which isn't the same as stating 715 of webservers run Apache. How big was the sample? -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 15:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. I'll grant that most CF users use Windows, and even that most people use Windows. But in web servers it is a slim margin. Netcraft reports that ~71% of web servers run apache: http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200511/byserver/index.html I found an article that stated that 50% of Apache is on Linux: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6065/1/ IIS has ~20% of the web server market share (Netcraft). If you do the math, putting the Apache Windows installs together with the IIS installs, it adds up to 55% of the web servers in total. So, somewhere between 40-45% of the web is not on Windows (who knows what OS all the 'other' web servers are on?). The majority of the web is on Windows, but choosing to be a windows house, you are cutting out 40-45% of your potential market. If you had 10 customers come up to you tomorrow and ask for hosting, you'd have to turn away 4 or 5 of them because you don't offer Linux. From my experience, most of the hosts out there give their customers an option between Windows or Linux. Again, I realize that the large majority of CF sites are on Windows, so if you are focusing on CF hosting, then Windows is a good bet. :) - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224801 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The survey sample for November was 74,291,241. And yes, Netcraft tries to sample EVERY web server on the planet. They run a global web spider once a month, similar to google/yahoo. If you follow the survey, you will notice that the sample increases every month, because they continually find more and more web servers (except during the dot-bomb bust, when their sample was decreasing for a few months because of all the bankruptcies, etc.). Netcraft is an industry recognized data mining expert, and their monthly web server survey is quoted in a LOT of respected trade publications. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting How on earth could they come back with that? There is not founding to this. Did they sample EVERY webserver on the planet? No, not likely, so it is more a case of 71% of the sample webservers run Apache - which isn't the same as stating 715 of webservers run Apache. How big was the sample? --- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224802 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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So it can only sample external facing web servers? What about servers whom do not broadcast their underlying architechture? I see what you are saying, but it is a sample which I cannot believe..its marketing bollox for sure..and they love it ;-) -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The survey sample for November was 74,291,241. And yes, Netcraft tries to sample EVERY web server on the planet. They run a global web spider once a month, similar to google/yahoo. If you follow the survey, you will notice that the sample increases every month, because they continually find more and more web servers (except during the dot-bomb bust, when their sample was decreasing for a few months because of all the bankruptcies, etc.). Netcraft is an industry recognized data mining expert, and their monthly web server survey is quoted in a LOT of respected trade publications. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting How on earth could they come back with that? There is not founding to this. Did they sample EVERY webserver on the planet? No, not likely, so it is more a case of 71% of the sample webservers run Apache - which isn't the same as stating 715 of webservers run Apache. How big was the sample? --- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224803 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Still, sometimes it's more economically efficient to turn customers away than it is to offer something you won't be able to support as well. Sometimes it's very well worth it to concentrate on your areas of efficiency. If 10 potential customers approach me to build them an ecommerce app tomorrow, I'll have to turn several of them away because they'll want PHP or ASP. I'm sure I could deliver what they want in those languages, but it's not what I do and it's not what I want to do. It's not my area of maximum efficiency. It's therefore more prudent for me to turn away the non CF customers than to offer a choice of languages. Same thing as offering only Windows or only Linux... A lot of businesses have failed for trying to do things outside of their areas of efficiency--trying to do more than what they can do best. --Ferg Munson, Jacob wrote: Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. I'll grant that most CF users use Windows, and even that most people use Windows. But in web servers it is a slim margin. Netcraft reports that ~71% of web servers run apache: http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200511/byserver/index.html I found an article that stated that 50% of Apache is on Linux: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6065/1/ IIS has ~20% of the web server market share (Netcraft). If you do the math, putting the Apache Windows installs together with the IIS installs, it adds up to 55% of the web servers in total. So, somewhere between 40-45% of the web is not on Windows (who knows what OS all the 'other' web servers are on?). The majority of the web is on Windows, but choosing to be a windows house, you are cutting out 40-45% of your potential market. If you had 10 customers come up to you tomorrow and ask for hosting, you'd have to turn away 4 or 5 of them because you don't offer Linux. From my experience, most of the hosts out there give their customers an option between Windows or Linux. Again, I realize that the large majority of CF sites are on Windows, so if you are focusing on CF hosting, then Windows is a good bet. :) - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224804 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Of course the surveys only capture external facing web servers (they aren't hacking into anybody's network). I have read that the large majority of Intranet web servers are on Windows, but we are currently talking about public hosting. All statistics have their problems (that is why they state a margin of error), but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. A scientifically valid survey will sample a good portion of the total population. For example, in US presidential elections, surveys typically get a sample of 1000. And they report a 3-5% margin of error. If you look back at past elections, you will find that the published surveys were very close to the actual election results, even though they only surveyed 1000 US citizens. Netcraft has the luxury of dealing with computers, so they can get a MUCH larger sample than most statisticians are capable of capturing. If I remember my stats classes right, A larger sample means a more accurate prediction. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting So it can only sample external facing web servers? What about servers whom do not broadcast their underlying architechture? I see what you are saying, but it is a sample which I cannot believe..its marketing bollox for sure..and they love it ;-) -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The survey sample for November was 74,291,241. And yes, Netcraft tries to sample EVERY web server on the planet. They run a global web spider once a month, similar to google/yahoo. If you follow the survey, you will notice that the sample increases every month, because they continually find more and more web servers (except during the dot-bomb bust, when their sample was decreasing for a few months because of all the bankruptcies, etc.). Netcraft is an industry recognized data mining expert, and their monthly web server survey is quoted in a LOT of respected trade publications. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting How on earth could they come back with that? There is not founding to this. Did they sample EVERY webserver on the planet? No, not likely, so it is more a case of 71% of the sample webservers run Apache - which isn't the same as stating 715 of webservers run Apache. How big was the sample? --- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224807 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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94.35535% of stats are made up on the spot ;-) -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 16:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Of course the surveys only capture external facing web servers (they aren't hacking into anybody's network). I have read that the large majority of Intranet web servers are on Windows, but we are currently talking about public hosting. All statistics have their problems (that is why they state a margin of error), but you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. A scientifically valid survey will sample a good portion of the total population. For example, in US presidential elections, surveys typically get a sample of 1000. And they report a 3-5% margin of error. If you look back at past elections, you will find that the published surveys were very close to the actual election results, even though they only surveyed 1000 US citizens. Netcraft has the luxury of dealing with computers, so they can get a MUCH larger sample than most statisticians are capable of capturing. If I remember my stats classes right, A larger sample means a more accurate prediction. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting So it can only sample external facing web servers? What about servers whom do not broadcast their underlying architechture? I see what you are saying, but it is a sample which I cannot believe..its marketing bollox for sure..and they love it ;-) -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 November 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting The survey sample for November was 74,291,241. And yes, Netcraft tries to sample EVERY web server on the planet. They run a global web spider once a month, similar to google/yahoo. If you follow the survey, you will notice that the sample increases every month, because they continually find more and more web servers (except during the dot-bomb bust, when their sample was decreasing for a few months because of all the bankruptcies, etc.). Netcraft is an industry recognized data mining expert, and their monthly web server survey is quoted in a LOT of respected trade publications. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting How on earth could they come back with that? There is not founding to this. Did they sample EVERY webserver on the planet? No, not likely, so it is more a case of 71% of the sample webservers run Apache - which isn't the same as stating 715 of webservers run Apache. How big was the sample? --- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224810 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Very good points, Ken. However, for a hosting business, it is not hard to find a few Linux experts and open your doors to Linux hosters. In a one man shop, it is very smart to focus on your area of expertise. But businesses can take their revenues and expand into new areas if they chose to. As long as they keep the Linux guys separated from the Windows guys! ;) Personally, I have found at least 3 CF hosts that offered Linux. And those are the ones what are competing for my business (and others like me). The Windows only crowds will never get my business because I am a Linux snob (on the server side, I do use Windows for my desktop). If a Windows only host were to expand into Linux, they could try to undercut the current hosts with features and/or price and capture some of their market. Microsoft does this all the time. Take a look at Internet Explorer and the Xbox. Was the web browser and the gaming market an expertise for MS? No, but they wanted to make more money, so they decided to jump in. Currently IE has 85% of the web's market share. Xbox is in 2nd place in the console market (behind Sony), and I believe that the Xbox 360 will put them into first place (even though I am a Nintendo fan). I think it was well worth it for Microsoft expand their horizons. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Still, sometimes it's more economically efficient to turn customers away than it is to offer something you won't be able to support as well. Sometimes it's very well worth it to concentrate on your areas of efficiency. If 10 potential customers approach me to build them an ecommerce app tomorrow, I'll have to turn several of them away because they'll want PHP or ASP. I'm sure I could deliver what they want in those languages, but it's not what I do and it's not what I want to do. It's not my area of maximum efficiency. It's therefore more prudent for me to turn away the non CF customers than to offer a choice of languages. Same thing as offering only Windows or only Linux... A lot of businesses have failed for trying to do things outside of their areas of efficiency--trying to do more than what they can do best. --Ferg [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224813 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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There is, obviously, a point in the life of a business where it has the ability to branch out and explore other options. However, the problem comes when they try to do this before they're ready. Sometimes people try to move beyond their efficiencies before they've got a strong enough financial position or before they've got the infrastructure to handle it. I think it's far smarter for someone to build a business around their efficiencies with the goal of reachine the point where they're capable of taking on new enterprises. He who can recognize and admit that he's not yet at this point and resist premature expansion will likely be thankful in the long run. --Ferg Munson, Jacob wrote: Very good points, Ken. However, for a hosting business, it is not hard to find a few Linux experts and open your doors to Linux hosters. In a one man shop, it is very smart to focus on your area of expertise. But businesses can take their revenues and expand into new areas if they chose to. As long as they keep the Linux guys separated from the Windows guys! ;) Personally, I have found at least 3 CF hosts that offered Linux. And those are the ones what are competing for my business (and others like me). The Windows only crowds will never get my business because I am a Linux snob (on the server side, I do use Windows for my desktop). If a Windows only host were to expand into Linux, they could try to undercut the current hosts with features and/or price and capture some of their market. Microsoft does this all the time. Take a look at Internet Explorer and the Xbox. Was the web browser and the gaming market an expertise for MS? No, but they wanted to make more money, so they decided to jump in. Currently IE has 85% of the web's market share. Xbox is in 2nd place in the console market (behind Sony), and I believe that the Xbox 360 will put them into first place (even though I am a Nintendo fan). I think it was well worth it for Microsoft expand their horizons. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224821 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Feel free to turn them towards me. =] Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 21, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Still, sometimes it's more economically efficient to turn customers away than it is to offer something you won't be able to support as well. Sometimes it's very well worth it to concentrate on your areas of efficiency. If 10 potential customers approach me to build them an ecommerce app tomorrow, I'll have to turn several of them away because they'll want PHP or ASP. I'm sure I could deliver what they want in those languages, but it's not what I do and it's not what I want to do. It's not my area of maximum efficiency. It's therefore more prudent for me to turn away the non CF customers than to offer a choice of languages. Same thing as offering only Windows or only Linux... A lot of businesses have failed for trying to do things outside of their areas of efficiency--trying to do more than what they can do best. --Ferg Munson, Jacob wrote: Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. I'll grant that most CF users use Windows, and even that most people use Windows. But in web servers it is a slim margin. Netcraft reports that ~71% of web servers run apache: http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200511/byserver/index.html I found an article that stated that 50% of Apache is on Linux: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6065/1/ IIS has ~20% of the web server market share (Netcraft). If you do the math, putting the Apache Windows installs together with the IIS installs, it adds up to 55% of the web servers in total. So, somewhere between 40-45% of the web is not on Windows (who knows what OS all the 'other' web servers are on?). The majority of the web is on Windows, but choosing to be a windows house, you are cutting out 40-45% of your potential market. If you had 10 customers come up to you tomorrow and ask for hosting, you'd have to turn away 4 or 5 of them because you don't offer Linux. From my experience, most of the hosts out there give their customers an option between Windows or Linux. Again, I realize that the large majority of CF sites are on Windows, so if you are focusing on CF hosting, then Windows is a good bet. :) - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224823 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I agree with you, Ken. But there are a lot of companies that say, We are a windows shop, and say that they will never expand into other markets. Where would Microsoft be today if they said, We are an operating system shop, and never expanded into other markets? Their original proficiency was with operating systems, but today Office alone accounts for a large percentage of their annual revenues. Do you think it was daunting to look at Word Perfect and Lotus, and contemplate taking them on? I'm sure it was, but look at those products today when compared to MS Office. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting There is, obviously, a point in the life of a business where it has the ability to branch out and explore other options. However, the problem comes when they try to do this before they're ready. Sometimes people try to move beyond their efficiencies before they've got a strong enough financial position or before they've got the infrastructure to handle it. I think it's far smarter for someone to build a business around their efficiencies with the goal of reachine the point where they're capable of taking on new enterprises. He who can recognize and admit that he's not yet at this point and resist premature expansion will likely be thankful in the long run. --Ferg Munson, Jacob wrote: Very good points, Ken. However, for a hosting business, it is not hard to find a few Linux experts and open your doors to Linux hosters. In a one man shop, it is very smart to focus on your area of expertise. But businesses can take their revenues and expand into new areas if they chose to. As long as they keep the Linux guys separated from the Windows guys! ;) Personally, I have found at least 3 CF hosts that offered Linux. And those are the ones what are competing for my business (and others like me). The Windows only crowds will never get my business because I am a Linux snob (on the server side, I do use Windows for my desktop). If a Windows only host were to expand into Linux, they could try to undercut the current hosts with features and/or price and capture some of their market. Microsoft does this all the time. Take a look at Internet Explorer and the Xbox. Was the web browser and the gaming market an expertise for MS? No, but they wanted to make more money, so they decided to jump in. Currently IE has 85% of the web's market share. Xbox is in 2nd place in the console market (behind Sony), and I believe that the Xbox 360 will put them into first place (even though I am a Nintendo fan). I think it was well worth it for Microsoft expand their horizons. -- This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224824 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Never, we don't do linux as we are a windows house. The majority of people use windows anyway, especially for CF. -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2005 21:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Ok, but when are you going to have CF/Linux hosting? ;-) -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting True, but u can contact those people and check if they are legit reviews. Not wanting to blow my own trumpet or anything, but we ask customers if they are happy to be contacted and have their email on the site, so all our customer reviews can be validated. - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Or bugger that and contact Mike Kear at AFPWebworks. Have been using him for years and quite satisfied considering we are both in Australia and the servers are in the USofA. Email him a [EMAIL PROTECTED] and discuss your requirements as I am sure he will be able to assist. Regards, PT Manager ACTCFUG www.actcfug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224713 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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couple of quirks here and there (I.E., I don't think they have robust error messages enabled in the CF servers), but you can't beat the price. I remember Ben saying robust error messages shouldn't be enabled on a production server anyway. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224732 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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True, but u can contact those people and check if they are legit reviews. Not wanting to blow my own trumpet or anything, but we ask customers if they are happy to be contacted and have their email on the site, so all our customer reviews can be validated. Russ -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2005 23:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting Why on earth would I do that, when I can just ask here? :P Seriously though, yeah thanks for the tip. His initial link to CF ISP's though, returns a broken link. After that, he has a pretty extensive list of over 600 companies, I don't know how up to date it is. A couple of the companies listed returned dead links. But that's not really too bad, out of the hundreds he has listed on there. Something else, and this is not Ben's problem, but anybody can go in there and review a host. So Crystal Tech could tell all of their employees to go in and give a stellar review of their hosting. But like I said, this is a problem with ALL review sites. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224689 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ok, but when are you going to have CF/Linux hosting? ;-) -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting True, but u can contact those people and check if they are legit reviews. Not wanting to blow my own trumpet or anything, but we ask customers if they are happy to be contacted and have their email on the site, so all our customer reviews can be validated. - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224692 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That's true of course, as you said. But that's why I look out for the one or 2 bad reviews. If they're just one liners I ignore them. But if the one bad review covers almost a page, then I pay attention and if there are like 50 1-liner good reviews after that saying this hosting site rocks, then you can tell it's employees or sycophants. Either way, it's a great service Ben's providing, since I don't think anyone else has such an exhaustive list. Ali Why on earth would I do that, when I can just ask here? :P Seriously though, yeah thanks for the tip. His initial link to CF ISP's though, returns a broken link. After that, he has a pretty extensive list of over 600 companies, I don't know how up to date it is. A couple of the companies listed returned dead links. But that's not really too bad, out of the hundreds he has listed on there. Something else, and this is not Ben's problem, but anybody can go in there and review a host. So Crystal Tech could tell all of their employees to go in and give a stellar review of their hosting. But like I said, this is a problem with ALL review sites. - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224509 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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400MB disk space is plenty good, how much you want? You get what you pay for. If you expect huge amount of disk space, bandwidth and everything else for like $10 per month, don't expect the service to be any good. Technical support staff and engineers cost money, they don't work for free. snake -Original Message- From: Ali Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2005 23:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Hosting After reading a couple of posts lately on CF Hosting, I thought I'd pose a question to the list. I've been trying to find a good, affordable CF Hosting company, and I came across this site: http://www.xtreme-host.com/heavy-lite-win.html Has anyone on this list ever used their services? Any recommendations? Horror stories? Seems to be a pretty good deal,MX 7 and with unlimited MS SQL Server access. I guess the catch is the disk space 400MB. But that seems pretty good, for a personal site I guess. Anyway, just thought I'd ask for some testimonials about these guys. Cheers, Ali ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224301 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Thanks Jacob, Do you know if they disable any CF MX 7 features? Like certain tags, or other features? Otherwise, this sounds like a great affordable way to get my site going. Thanks, Ali I use Xtreme Hosting (Linux), and I have been happy so far. There are a couple of quirks here and there (I.E., I don't think they have robust error messages enabled in the CF servers), but you can't beat the price. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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For one, you don't have access to the CF Admin, but I didn't expect that. Also, they may or may not make mappings for you. Their support article says no mappings, but in the forums an admin said to just email him if you need a mapping created. I haven't needed a mapping yet, so I'm not sure. Also, I have /heard/ that the Windows hosting has outages, but like I said, I use Linux and I haven't had any outages yet. I haven't found any tags/functions that wouldn't work, but my needs are fairly simple. CFXs seem to work fine. Your mileage may vary. Here is a list of CF issues people run into on their servers: http://www.xtreme-host.com/faq/index.php?catid=9 -Original Message- From: Ali Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Thanks Jacob, Do you know if they disable any CF MX 7 features? Like certain tags, or other features? Otherwise, this sounds like a great affordable way to get my site going. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Michael At 01:08 PM 11/16/2005, Munson, Jacob wrote: For one, you don't have access to the CF Admin, but I didn't expect that. Also, they may or may not make mappings for you. Their support article says no mappings, but in the forums an admin said to just email him if you need a mapping created. I haven't needed a mapping yet, so I'm not sure. Also, I have /heard/ that the Windows hosting has outages, but like I said, I use Linux and I haven't had any outages yet. I haven't found any tags/functions that wouldn't work, but my needs are fairly simple. CFXs seem to work fine. Your mileage may vary. Here is a list of CF issues people run into on their servers: http://www.xtreme-host.com/faq/index.php?catid=9 -Original Message- From: Ali Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Thanks Jacob, Do you know if they disable any CF MX 7 features? Like certain tags, or other features? Otherwise, this sounds like a great affordable way to get my site going. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Once again, thanks Jason. That link really answers my question(s). I didn't expect access to the CF Admin either. I just wanted to make sure that there was access to all of the CFTags and functions. Cheers, Ali For one, you don't have access to the CF Admin, but I didn't expect that. Also, they may or may not make mappings for you. Their support article says no mappings, but in the forums an admin said to just email him if you need a mapping created. I haven't needed a mapping yet, so I'm not sure. Also, I have /heard/ that the Windows hosting has outages, but like I said, I use Linux and I haven't had any outages yet. I haven't found any tags/functions that wouldn't work, but my needs are fairly simple. CFXs seem to work fine. Your mileage may vary. Here is a list of CF issues people run into on their servers: http://www.xtreme-host.com/faq/index.php?catid=9 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224359 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Mike, Viux was also one of the hosting companies I was researching. They seem to have a good pricing plan too. A reason that Xtreme hosting sounded good to me was the unlimited SQL Server Databases. Thanks for the info though. I'd rather get my own server and play around with it, but then I don't have the $$ or time :( Cheers, Ali I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Michael At 01:08 PM 11/16/2005, Munson, Jacob wrote: ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Mik Muller wrote: I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Michael That sounds like something a bit more on the expensive side. You could get a managed, CFMX 7 server from Vivio and save over $100 a month. It would also include mirrored SATA hard drives and unmetered 1.5 Mbps bandwidth (T1 speed). It sounds like you're pretty happy with your current provider, but you could be getting something better for a lot less money. The savings could really add up. Perhaps you could talk your current provider into doing price matching against us? That could help. Anyway, something to think about. -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224362 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'm moving off them at this time since I've partnered up with some folks and we're ramping up my software. We chose Savvis and got a cranking box. My main problem now is trying to upload very large files and I'm not finding any solutions except FTP, which I'd really preder not to do. There has to be a way to upload 2 GB files via http. Michael At 12:55 PM 11/16/2005, you wrote: Mike, Viux was also one of the hosting companies I was researching. They seem to have a good pricing plan too. A reason that Xtreme hosting sounded good to me was the unlimited SQL Server Databases. Thanks for the info though. I'd rather get my own server and play around with it, but then I don't have the $$ or time :( Cheers, Ali I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Michael At 01:08 PM 11/16/2005, Munson, Jacob wrote: ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224364 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Jordan, At the moment I'm slowly moving my sites off to my new situation. So Viux will be gone soon. And I get to keep the box. It'll get mailed to me once everything's off. Mik At 02:05 PM 11/16/2005, Jordan Michaels wrote: Mik Muller wrote: I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Mik That sounds like something a bit more on the expensive side. You could get a managed, CFMX 7 server from Vivio and save over $100 a month. It would also include mirrored SATA hard drives and unmetered 1.5 Mbps bandwidth (T1 speed). It sounds like you're pretty happy with your current provider, but you could be getting something better for a lot less money. The savings could really add up. Perhaps you could talk your current provider into doing price matching against us? That could help. Anyway, something to think about. -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224369 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). Another Windows only host. Not my cup of tea. -- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224371 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Why not have a look at www.forta.com for the reviews of hosts. We do quite well on here, CFMx Hosting doesn't have a single bad review :-) -Original Message- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2005 18:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting For one, you don't have access to the CF Admin, but I didn't expect that. Also, they may or may not make mappings for you. Their support article says no mappings, but in the forums an admin said to just email him if you need a mapping created. I haven't needed a mapping yet, so I'm not sure. Also, I have /heard/ that the Windows hosting has outages, but like I said, I use Linux and I haven't had any outages yet. I haven't found any tags/functions that wouldn't work, but my needs are fairly simple. CFXs seem to work fine. Your mileage may vary. Here is a list of CF issues people run into on their servers: http://www.xtreme-host.com/faq/index.php?catid=9 -Original Message- From: Ali Awan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting Thanks Jacob, Do you know if they disable any CF MX 7 features? Like certain tags, or other features? Otherwise, this sounds like a great affordable way to get my site going. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224374 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Why would you prefer not to use ftp? And is this a linux or a windows box? -Original Message- From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Hosting I'm moving off them at this time since I've partnered up with some folks and we're ramping up my software. We chose Savvis and got a cranking box. My main problem now is trying to upload very large files and I'm not finding any solutions except FTP, which I'd really preder not to do. There has to be a way to upload 2 GB files via http. Michael At 12:55 PM 11/16/2005, you wrote: Mike, Viux was also one of the hosting companies I was researching. They seem to have a good pricing plan too. A reason that Xtreme hosting sounded good to me was the unlimited SQL Server Databases. Thanks for the info though. I'd rather get my own server and play around with it, but then I don't have the $$ or time :( Cheers, Ali I had used Viux for a couple of years under their shared hosting plan (up to 20 sites for a flat-rate of $75/mo) when I found a client who paid me enough in maintenance that I could afford a co-located solution and got my own box. Not the most robust of servers, it was still mine alone and cost only $400 / mo. I could have splurged for a better box but I figured I wouldn't have more than 100 sites on it so it would be fine. I had remote desktop access to the box with full admin access. I also had unlimited access to their shared mail server (although they are frequently blackballed by SpamCop). With their shared hosting plan I did have access to cffile etc but had to ask for it. No access to the admin. Michael At 01:08 PM 11/16/2005, Munson, Jacob wrote: ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224375 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Why not have a look at www.forta.com for the reviews of hosts. We do quite well on here, CFMx Hosting doesn't have a single bad review :-) Good idea. Last I tried Ben's app it didn't work on Firefox/Linux. But today I'm on windows, and it works. I can't remember, are you with CrystalTech? It looks like HostMySite has a better review, but it might not matter that much in the end. Plus, CrystalTech is Windows only, from what I understand. However, HostMySite is kind of spendy...it doesn't look like they offer any lower end products on the Linux side (if you want CF). - This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:224379 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
