Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
vista runs but not with any of the fancy Aero theme On 7/14/06, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man, I just wish there was a way to convert an existing MS OS installed on a > server into an image...I've got a couple of servers running legacy apps that > I'd love to free up and put to better use. > > Pete > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I believe the VMotion software only drops one ping request while it moves it over, We are about to release in production a large Virtual Farm, from what the IT Guys have told me is that VMotion keeps a history of each machines usage and say it loses some physical resources, and it need 512mb min memory to keep a machine running it would look at say two other vm's and say well you only need 512 and you have 768 I'll take 256 from you and another 256 from another until it gets all its resources back. If it can't find the resources it will shut down a less priority machine to give the resources to high priority apps. All sounds good in theory but I don't think we will be placing too many high profile apps on it till it's a least been running for a year or so. Cheers BK ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246664 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>Man, I just wish there was a way to convert an existing MS OS installed on a >server into an image...I've got a couple of servers running legacy apps that >I'd love to free up and put to better use. > >Pete There is an app that I believe is part of VMWare ESX that allows you to take a snapshot of a box. Works like ghost you put a disk in reboot and then boot to the disk take a snapshot of the server and volia VMware instance. I will get you somemore info. I think they have a trial :) ~Eric -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? Man, I just wish there was a way to convert an existing MS OS installed on a server into an image...I've got a couple of servers running legacy apps that I'd love to free up and put to better use. Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Man, I just wish there was a way to convert an existing MS OS installed on a server into an image...I've got a couple of servers running legacy apps that I'd love to free up and put to better use. Pete ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> Wonder if you can run Vista on it... You can run Vista on VMware Workstation and Server, so I would imagine so. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246636 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>It would have that...I run my own network here...webserver, mail server, >ftp server... >I've just never tried to separate the web server and the databases it >accesses. > >Rick We are completely distributed here. One of our guys went to the VMware conference they put on and the room was filled with people from Hospitals and Government organizations. One of the biggest things is disaster recovery once we are completely virtualized we could literally spin up our Datacenter in Tampa in Boston in a matter of minutes via the network if there was a problem. Also think of the speed if you have your File Server in an instance and a High Volume Web App in another instance on the same server. The traffic would never hit the network they would just talk to one another. This all based on having the hardware to do this. I think we are using Quad Zeon boxes with 28GB of ram :) I wish I had one at home! Great stuff I can remember when VMware first came out. It allowed us to run Linux on windows and cost me $49.00 I want to say in 2000 LOL I am going to duck out of this topic online to clear the list so if anyone wants to chat more shoot me an email ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
It would have that...I run my own network here...webserver, mail server, ftp server... I've just never tried to separate the web server and the databases it accesses. Rick -Original Message- From: Eric A. Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Hmmm...looks like I need to learn about subnets... > >Rick Oops I guess I should have said access to the network it was originally on. Busy day here so I am not proof reading my posts :) ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>Hmmm...looks like I need to learn about subnets... > >Rick Oops I guess I should have said access to the network it was originally on. Busy day here so I am not proof reading my posts :) ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Hmmm...looks like I need to learn about subnets... Rick -Original Message- From: Eric A. Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Now that brings me back to a question I asked earlier...does complete >portability of images include all installed software, files, and data >/databases on a virtual machine? > >Can a virtual machine do the work of cloning software, say, Norton Ghost? > >Rick Just think of the image as a portable server. Once you fire up the image you have a Server. As long as the server you place that image on has access to the subnet where your other things are(file server,database,San) they will work. I looked at a solution for a client's test environment. They wanted a fluid test environment that different departments could beat up and roll back. The original plan was using Ghost but I wanted something quicker and that's why we went with VM but ran into a snag as they still had some RMX servers LOL ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Wonder if you can run Vista on it... "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri Jul 14 19:41:42 2006 Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? Rick, go download the VM Player and then download a bunch of the free appliances. Then you'll really start to get a good picture of what it's all about. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Rick Faircloth wrote: >> complete portability of images >> > > Now that brings me back to a question I asked earlier...does complete > portability of images > include all installed software, files, and data /databases on a virtual > machine? > > Can a virtual machine do the work of cloning software, say, Norton Ghost? > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > it's a case of installing VIrtual PC/Server - creating a virtual machine, it > setting max ram, disk sizes etc - turning the machine on and watching it > POST then capture the physical CD drive and press any key to boot the CD > then just treat it like a normal computer. > > As for using virtual machines in production i know several LARGE uk corps > use virtualisation - complete portability of images independent of physical > hardware is worth it to them! > > jb > > On 7/14/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, >> >> What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? >> >> N >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, >> Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed >> Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains >> information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is >> for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not >> the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, >> copying or use of this communication or the information in it is >> strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >> communication in error please return it to the sender or call our >> switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this >> > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > >> Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eric A. Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: CF-Talk >> Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:26:15 2006 >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> >>> Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >>> and, if so, for how much? >>> >>> Rick >>> >> VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers >> if you power them down first. >> >> Eric >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >> and, if so, for how much? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Most of the time you will run vmware on a virtual drive (which is just a file, or a series of files). I believe you can also let it use a hard drive directly, but not sure of the overhead and you probably won't be able to move it to another machine easily. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:11 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Ok...that makes sense...and it won't be an issue for servers, which > don't need high-powered graphics cards anyway... > > What about hard drives? Will VM's recognize various types and speeds > of hard drives? > > I'll bet none of the venders of VM software has published a list of the > limitations of using their products... > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:43 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > VMware will provide it's own virtual device for everything, something that > will likely only support the most basic functions (I doubt you can run any > games in VMWare, but I could be wrong). The OS that you install inside > vmware will only see the virtual device, and not the actual hardware that > the vmware is running on. > > Russ > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:37 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > > > So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and > > > the > > hardware seen by the VM is identical. > > > > Having a hard time understanding... > > > > So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics card, and > > the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup with a Radeon > > graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as the same? > > > > If so, which one? Surely I'm missing something... > > > > Rick > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:23 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > > > Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > > > software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the > > > hardware it's running on and the software running on it? > > > > In the case of virtualization, the "hardware" seen by the guest OS is > > virtual - it doesn't correspond directly to the real physical hardware > > available to the host OS. So, you can take a VM and move it from one > > machine to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. The > > VM is really just a big file, usually. I could build a VM, burn it to > > DVD, send it to you, and you could start it up. This is the idea > > behind the free VMware Player product - it lets you run VMs that you > > didn't build yourself. > > > > At last year's MAX conference, the hands-on sessions were handled > > through virtualization, using MS Virtual PC. The vast majority of > > people attending had no idea - their computers just seemed like normal > > PCs, but they were actually running a guest OS that the MM folks could > > just restart after every session. > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>Now that brings me back to a question I asked earlier...does complete >portability of images >include all installed software, files, and data /databases on a virtual >machine? > >Can a virtual machine do the work of cloning software, say, Norton Ghost? > >Rick Just think of the image as a portable server. Once you fire up the image you have a Server. As long as the server you place that image on has access to the subnet where your other things are(file server,database,San) they will work. I looked at a solution for a client's test environment. They wanted a fluid test environment that different departments could beat up and roll back. The original plan was using Ghost but I wanted something quicker and that's why we went with VM but ran into a snag as they still had some RMX servers LOL ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246619 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Rick, go download the VM Player and then download a bunch of the free appliances. Then you'll really start to get a good picture of what it's all about. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Rick Faircloth wrote: >> complete portability of images >> > > Now that brings me back to a question I asked earlier...does complete > portability of images > include all installed software, files, and data /databases on a virtual > machine? > > Can a virtual machine do the work of cloning software, say, Norton Ghost? > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > it's a case of installing VIrtual PC/Server - creating a virtual machine, it > setting max ram, disk sizes etc - turning the machine on and watching it > POST then capture the physical CD drive and press any key to boot the CD > then just treat it like a normal computer. > > As for using virtual machines in production i know several LARGE uk corps > use virtualisation - complete portability of images independent of physical > hardware is worth it to them! > > jb > > On 7/14/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, >> >> What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? >> >> N >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, >> Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed >> Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains >> information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is >> for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not >> the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, >> copying or use of this communication or the information in it is >> strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this >> communication in error please return it to the sender or call our >> switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this >> > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > >> Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eric A. Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: CF-Talk >> Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:26:15 2006 >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> >>> Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >>> and, if so, for how much? >>> >>> Rick >>> >> VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers >> if you power them down first. >> >> Eric >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >> and, if so, for how much? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246618 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> complete portability of images Now that brings me back to a question I asked earlier...does complete portability of images include all installed software, files, and data /databases on a virtual machine? Can a virtual machine do the work of cloning software, say, Norton Ghost? Rick -Original Message- From: John Beynon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? it's a case of installing VIrtual PC/Server - creating a virtual machine, it setting max ram, disk sizes etc - turning the machine on and watching it POST then capture the physical CD drive and press any key to boot the CD then just treat it like a normal computer. As for using virtual machines in production i know several LARGE uk corps use virtualisation - complete portability of images independent of physical hardware is worth it to them! jb On 7/14/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, > > What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? > > N > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed > Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains > information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is > for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not > the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, > copying or use of this communication or the information in it is > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error please return it to the sender or call our > switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Eric A. Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:26:15 2006 > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > >Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, > >and, if so, for how much? > > > >Rick > > VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers > if you power them down first. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, > and, if so, for how much? > > Rick > > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Ok...that makes sense...and it won't be an issue for servers, which don't need high-powered graphics cards anyway... What about hard drives? Will VM's recognize various types and speeds of hard drives? I'll bet none of the venders of VM software has published a list of the limitations of using their products... Rick -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? VMware will provide it's own virtual device for everything, something that will likely only support the most basic functions (I doubt you can run any games in VMWare, but I could be wrong). The OS that you install inside vmware will only see the virtual device, and not the actual hardware that the vmware is running on. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:37 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and > > the > hardware seen by the VM is identical. > > Having a hard time understanding... > > So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics card, and > the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup with a Radeon > graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as the same? > > If so, which one? Surely I'm missing something... > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:23 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > > software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the > > hardware it's running on and the software running on it? > > In the case of virtualization, the "hardware" seen by the guest OS is > virtual - it doesn't correspond directly to the real physical hardware > available to the host OS. So, you can take a VM and move it from one > machine to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. The > VM is really just a big file, usually. I could build a VM, burn it to > DVD, send it to you, and you could start it up. This is the idea > behind the free VMware Player product - it lets you run VMs that you > didn't build yourself. > > At last year's MAX conference, the hands-on sessions were handled > through virtualization, using MS Virtual PC. The vast majority of > people attending had no idea - their computers just seemed like normal > PCs, but they were actually running a guest OS that the MM folks could > just restart after every session. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
The other thing, I'm guessing, is that since VMware Server can run on Linux, you can get a super-duper, stripped-down, double throwdown-lightning-fast distro on which to run it. That's got to be better resource-utilization-wise than running MS VirtualPC on a Windows host OS. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Dave Watts wrote: >> I see that only the "Starter" edition is free...how does that >> compare to MS's free (full?) version? >> > > VMware Server is roughly equivalent to MS Virtual Server. Both run on an > existing OS, but VMware Server is available for Linux, and probably provides > better support for non-Windows guest OSs. > > One other interesting feature with VMware Server is the availability of > "appliances" - pre-built VMs for various uses. For example, let's say you > want a dedicated spam filter VM. You just download it, and start it up. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
it's a case of installing VIrtual PC/Server - creating a virtual machine, it setting max ram, disk sizes etc - turning the machine on and watching it POST then capture the physical CD drive and press any key to boot the CD then just treat it like a normal computer. As for using virtual machines in production i know several LARGE uk corps use virtualisation - complete portability of images independent of physical hardware is worth it to them! jb On 7/14/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, > > What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? > > N > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -Original Message- > From: Eric A. Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:26:15 2006 > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > >Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, > >and, if so, for how much? > > > >Rick > > VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers if > you power them down first. > > Eric > > -----Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, > and, if so, for how much? > > Rick > > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246610 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I have used em all the time, but have never set one up, will have to give it a go. "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:52:53 2006 Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? Typically, you install VMware, tell it you want to create a new virtual machine, tell it the OS it'll be and how much RAM and disk space will be required, then it boots to a virtual BIOS screen and you install the guest OS. It's just like installing an OS on regular hardware, except it's in a window on your screen. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Windows Enterprise 2003 r2 lets you install one base OS and then host 4 virtual servers under the same license. john. On 7/14/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having a hard time understanding... > > > > So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics > > card, and the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup > > with a Radeon graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as the same? > > In the case of VMware, the guest OS will see a generic VGA card, until you > install VMware Tools within the guest OS. That will upgrade your virtual > video card to SVGA. It doesn't matter one bit what video card you actually > have installed on the host OS. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> Having a hard time understanding... > > So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics > card, and the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup > with a Radeon graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as the same? In the case of VMware, the guest OS will see a generic VGA card, until you install VMware Tools within the guest OS. That will upgrade your virtual video card to SVGA. It doesn't matter one bit what video card you actually have installed on the host OS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? Typically, you install VMware, tell it you want to create a new virtual machine, tell it the OS it'll be and how much RAM and disk space will be required, then it boots to a virtual BIOS screen and you install the guest OS. It's just like installing an OS on regular hardware, except it's in a window on your screen. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246606 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>> So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and the >hardware seen by the VM is identical. > >Having a hard time understanding... > >So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics >card, and the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup >with a Radeon graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as >the same? > >If so, which one? Surely I'm missing something... > >Rick Don't expect the virtualized hardware to see a good graphics card. It emulates a graphics card, will most likely emulate something small, like a 4mb or 8mb standard svga graphics card. So the graphics card in the server itself doesn't matter. You could have the greatest video card or the crappiest. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
VMware will provide it's own virtual device for everything, something that will likely only support the most basic functions (I doubt you can run any games in VMWare, but I could be wrong). The OS that you install inside vmware will only see the virtual device, and not the actual hardware that the vmware is running on. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:37 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and the > hardware seen by the VM is identical. > > Having a hard time understanding... > > So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics > card, and the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup > with a Radeon graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as > the same? > > If so, which one? Surely I'm missing something... > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:23 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > > Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > > software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware > > it's running on and the software running on it? > > In the case of virtualization, the "hardware" seen by the guest OS is > virtual - it doesn't correspond directly to the real physical hardware > available to the host OS. So, you can take a VM and move it from one > machine > to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. The VM is really > just a big file, usually. I could build a VM, burn it to DVD, send it to > you, and you could start it up. This is the idea behind the free VMware > Player product - it lets you run VMs that you didn't build yourself. > > At last year's MAX conference, the hands-on sessions were handled through > virtualization, using MS Virtual PC. The vast majority of people attending > had no idea - their computers just seemed like normal PCs, but they were > actually running a guest OS that the MM folks could just restart after > every > session. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction > at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, > Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. Having a hard time understanding... So...if one the first hardware has a GeForce 5900 Graphics card, and the Virtual OS is moved to a second hardware setup with a Radeon graphics card, the Virtual OS will see them as the same? If so, which one? Surely I'm missing something... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware > it's running on and the software running on it? In the case of virtualization, the "hardware" seen by the guest OS is virtual - it doesn't correspond directly to the real physical hardware available to the host OS. So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. The VM is really just a big file, usually. I could build a VM, burn it to DVD, send it to you, and you could start it up. This is the idea behind the free VMware Player product - it lets you run VMs that you didn't build yourself. At last year's MAX conference, the hands-on sessions were handled through virtualization, using MS Virtual PC. The vast majority of people attending had no idea - their computers just seemed like normal PCs, but they were actually running a guest OS that the MM folks could just restart after every session. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246602 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
So, What are the steps to setup a VM image/session? N "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Eric A. Haskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Fri Jul 14 18:26:15 2006 Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >and, if so, for how much? > >Rick VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers if you power them down first. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, and, if so, for how much? Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246601 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM > servers for production use? I've heard of people buying one > top of the line piece of hardware and run multiple production > servers on it using VM. This just scares me because it seems > like one more point of possible failure, possible performance > losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a new thing or is this > really not a good practice for production? I can definitely > see the value in development environments but I'm not sure > about production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are > there security and/or performance concerns that need to be > taken into consideration? VMware ESX is all about production. It lets you consolidate a bunch of (generally less reliable) little dedicated server boxes with a few high-availability big boxes. This approach is used in a lot of enterprise environments nowadays, to the point where I have to ask clients whether I'm working in a VM or an actual server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, >and, if so, for how much? > >Rick VMotion is an ESX only product. Standard can move VMs between servers if you power them down first. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, and, if so, for how much? Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246597 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the > hardware it's running on and the software running on it? In the case of virtualization, the "hardware" seen by the guest OS is virtual - it doesn't correspond directly to the real physical hardware available to the host OS. So, you can take a VM and move it from one machine to another, and the hardware seen by the VM is identical. The VM is really just a big file, usually. I could build a VM, burn it to DVD, send it to you, and you could start it up. This is the idea behind the free VMware Player product - it lets you run VMs that you didn't build yourself. At last year's MAX conference, the hands-on sessions were handled through virtualization, using MS Virtual PC. The vast majority of people attending had no idea - their computers just seemed like normal PCs, but they were actually running a guest OS that the MM folks could just restart after every session. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> I see that only the "Starter" edition is free...how does that > compare to MS's free (full?) version? VMware Server is roughly equivalent to MS Virtual Server. Both run on an existing OS, but VMware Server is available for Linux, and probably provides better support for non-Windows guest OSs. One other interesting feature with VMware Server is the availability of "appliances" - pre-built VMs for various uses. For example, let's say you want a dedicated spam filter VM. You just download it, and start it up. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246594 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard > Edition, and, if so, for how much? VMotion requires ESX, to the best of my knowledge. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246593 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Wellmaybe, maybe not...Virtual Server 2005 R2 only supports Windows Server OS's and Windows Server System applications... But...the MS site does say that MS supports *only* Win Server OS's and applications...it doesn't say it won't run Linux, Apache, etc... Anyone have any experience with this? I wouldn't mind setting up a couple of clustered Windows Virtual Servers, and a Linux/Apache setup on a server... Rick -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? What about licensing? Are OS licenses based solely on physical processors and such or would you need a separate license for each instance of the OS that you have installed on the server? John -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and >software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware >it's running on and the >software >running on it? > >Rick VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind of machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you need to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running VMWare or Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues with drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware will have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of virtulization. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246591 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I guess, since I started this thread, I'll throw out another consideration... I just found out that MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 is free. It's my understanding that two identical setups can be run with Virtual Server and it will provide clustering support for Virtual Servers. That would be of much more interest than just Virtual PC for CF production servers. Rick -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? What about licensing? Are OS licenses based solely on physical processors and such or would you need a separate license for each instance of the OS that you have installed on the server? John -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and >software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware >it's running on and the >software >running on it? > >Rick VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind of machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you need to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running VMWare or Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues with drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware will have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of virtulization. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246592 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> I hear VMWare is very fast because they have a very slim > version of Linux running. It's fast not because it's Linux, > but because they took out every bell and whistle that they > could and make it so it only ran what was needed to run > virtualization. Microsoft on the other hand has the full > bloat of running Windows Server. YMMV. VMware ESX provides its own OS, which is a streamlined, customized Linux. VMware Server, previously called VMware GSX, can be installed on Windows or Linux, but typically has a 30% increase in overhead compared to ESX. On the other hand, ESX is relatively expensive, and VMware Server and MS Virtual Server are free. The big advantages of ESX aren't just that it runs faster, but that it supports the VMware Infrastructure functionality - you can run ESX guests from SANs, you can move them from one ESX server to another without any downtime, etc. This kind of functionality is unparalleled by any other virtualization solution on the market today. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246590 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> What about licensing? Are OS licenses based solely on > physical processors and such or would you need a separate > license for each instance of the OS that you have installed > on the server? For MS Virtual Server, Windows guest OS licensing has recently been changed so that you don't need one license per VM. I don't know the details, but read it briefly in this month's Windows IT Pro magazine, so you should be able to find out pretty easily. For other virtualization products like VMware, I doubt that MS gives you a break. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246589 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I believe you need a separate license for each OS (although most linux version are free). CF seems to be based on physical processors, so you can run as many of them as you want on one physical machine, no matter how many virtual processors you have. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:51 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > What about licensing? Are OS licenses based solely on physical > processors and such or would you need a separate license for each > instance of the OS that you have installed on the server? > > John > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > >Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > >software"...wouldn't > >each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware it's running on and > the > >software > >running on it? > > > >Rick > > VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind > of machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you > need to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running > VMWare or Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues > with drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware > will have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of > virtulization. > > > > Bob > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246588 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
What about licensing? Are OS licenses based solely on physical processors and such or would you need a separate license for each instance of the OS that you have installed on the server? John -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and >software"...wouldn't >each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware it's running on and the >software >running on it? > >Rick VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind of machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you need to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running VMWare or Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues with drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware will have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of virtulization. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246586 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I think you're talking about VMware ESX which is the non-free version of their server, and yes it would be faster then running VMware or Virtual PC on top of windows. But it's still slower then running Xen or Virtuozzo, I believe, but it will support Windows as well as Linux. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:09 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > I hear VMWare is very fast because they have a very slim version of Linux > running. It's fast not because it's Linux, but because they took out every > bell and whistle that they could and make it so it only ran what was > needed to run virtualization. Microsoft on the other hand has the full > bloat of running Windows Server. YMMV. > > > > Bob > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246584 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I hear VMWare is very fast because they have a very slim version of Linux running. It's fast not because it's Linux, but because they took out every bell and whistle that they could and make it so it only ran what was needed to run virtualization. Microsoft on the other hand has the full bloat of running Windows Server. YMMV. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246581 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Any idea if VMotion can be added to the free VMWare Standard Edition, and, if so, for how much? Rick -Original Message- From: Eric A. Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? I do know we are looking at doing this very soon. One great point is the fact you can have snapshots of servers when you make a change or upgrade a VM instance you can easily go back to a copy of the old instance. Not to mention with Vmotion you can fail over to another VM or even Motion an instance to another server if the server has problems. A great tool!! Cant wait to have it up and running!! Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? I could see people using VM Servers in a production enviroment, mostly because you now have a hardware agnostic OS and software install. So while you see 1 point of failure, someone else sees a way to easily move their production server to new hardware if their old hardware fails. Even if you only run one server on the VM server you could still get the benefit of the hardware agnostic OS. Each VM or Microsoft Virtual Server run as though it were a machine on the OS. So you wouldn't need to cluster the VM, you can run clustering as though they were different machines. I don't know if there is a clustering options for the VMWare or Microsoft, not sure if it's even needed. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246580 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
One thing that sucks at least I guess without the proper hardware is that it's slow. I know with Xeon's or some higher end processors you're supposed to get some improvements, but on a regular P4, it's pretty slow... There are other free virtualization options that are supposed to be better, such as Xen, and Virtuozzo, and although I believe they are strictly for Linux, they're supposed to provide minimal overhead. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > >Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and > >software"...wouldn't > >each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware it's running on and the > >software > >running on it? > > > >Rick > > VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind of > machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you need > to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running VMWare or > Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues with > drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware will > have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of > virtulization. > > > > Bob > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I do know we are looking at doing this very soon. One great point is the fact you can have snapshots of servers when you make a change or upgrade a VM instance you can easily go back to a copy of the old instance. Not to mention with Vmotion you can fail over to another VM or even Motion an instance to another server if the server has problems. A great tool!! Cant wait to have it up and running!! Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? I could see people using VM Servers in a production enviroment, mostly because you now have a hardware agnostic OS and software install. So while you see 1 point of failure, someone else sees a way to easily move their production server to new hardware if their old hardware fails. Even if you only run one server on the VM server you could still get the benefit of the hardware agnostic OS. Each VM or Microsoft Virtual Server run as though it were a machine on the OS. So you wouldn't need to cluster the VM, you can run clustering as though they were different machines. I don't know if there is a clustering options for the VMWare or Microsoft, not sure if it's even needed. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
There's a pricing pdf here: http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html#_tabbuy Infrastructure 3 Enterprise, which is $5,750 includes VMotion Other than that, I don't know how much it costs to add it to standard or starter * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Rick Faircloth wrote: > Apparently, VMotion is not free, even with the "Starter" edition of VMWare. > > I couldn't find a price for VMotion as an add-on to the "Starter" edition of > VMWare... > any idea how much it is? > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:10 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > With VMWare's VMotion, you can move an instance of a Windows server from one > physical machine to another without anybody having any clue that you did it! > That is the definition of cool. > http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html > > * > Ken Ferguson > 214.636.6126 > * > > > > > > > Burns, John D wrote: > >> I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM servers >> for production use? I've heard of people buying one top of the line >> piece of hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. >> This just scares me because it seems like one more point of possible >> failure, possible performance losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a >> new thing or is this really not a good practice for production? I can >> definitely see the value in development environments but I'm not sure >> about production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are there >> security and/or performance concerns that need to be taken into >> > consideration? > >> Obviously there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing >> with the hardware but if proper precautions are taken for redundancy >> and such is it really a viable solution? Also, how would all of this >> work when you get into clustering and such? Would you cluster each VM >> to the other VMs and then leave the base OS that all the VMs are >> running on alone and not cluster/replicate them? Any experience or >> knowledge you can lend would be awesome. >> >> John Burns >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:14 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, >> so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... >> >> Rick >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> "...free version of VMWare." >> >> Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare >> player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' >> cool!!! >> >> http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html >> >> * >> Ken Ferguson >> 214.636.6126 >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bobby Hartsfield wrote: >> >> >>> I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with >>> a >>> >>> >> >> >>> free version of vmware. >>> >>> They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try >>> things without causing any damage to your main installation though. >>> >>> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. >>> Bobby Hartsfield >>> http://acoderslife.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM >>> To: CF-Talk >>> Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >>> >>> So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. >>> >>> Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any >>> of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? >>> >>> Other ways? Should I bother? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
>Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and >software"...wouldn't >each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware it's running on and the >software >running on it? > >Rick VMWare and Microsoft emulate hardware to the OS. So no matter what kind of machine you're on, to the OS it's the exact same machine. So if you need to move your server instance to a beefer server that is running VMWare or Microsoft, then nothing will change. You wouldn't have issues with drivers, none of your software you installed that rely on hardware will have issues. It will just work. That's one of the beauties of virtulization. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
On Friday 14 July 2006 16:20, Rick Faircloth wrote: > I see that only the "Starter" edition is free...how does that compare It lets you run any number of virtual servers on a box. That's good enough for me ! You can back up by shutting down the VM, and copy the disk image, for instance. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246567 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I see that only the "Starter" edition is free...how does that compare to MS's free (full?) version? Rick -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? On Friday 14 July 2006 15:42, Rick Faircloth wrote: > It's good to verify what MS says on their site by someone with some > "field experience", rather than just relying on what the "tin" > states, right Snake? Pft, we use VMWare here :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
This sounds like the ultimate system cloning tool! It clones a system and all settings, state, etc, without any downtime. I see a migration can be scheduled and executed unattended, too...that's great. Does the original OS on the original hardware remain intact and operating as a migration takes place? I could see running a migration to an identical server each night or even multiple times per day as a backup system for an entire server. Is the entire OS, all files and databases, migrated as well or would they have to point to a third server which remains intact for data access? Rick -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? With VMWare's VMotion, you can move an instance of a Windows server from one physical machine to another without anybody having any clue that you did it! That is the definition of cool. http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Burns, John D wrote: > I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM servers > for production use? I've heard of people buying one top of the line > piece of hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. > This just scares me because it seems like one more point of possible > failure, possible performance losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a > new thing or is this really not a good practice for production? I can > definitely see the value in development environments but I'm not sure > about production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are there > security and/or performance concerns that need to be taken into consideration? > Obviously there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing > with the hardware but if proper precautions are taken for redundancy > and such is it really a viable solution? Also, how would all of this > work when you get into clustering and such? Would you cluster each VM > to the other VMs and then leave the base OS that all the VMs are > running on alone and not cluster/replicate them? Any experience or > knowledge you can lend would be awesome. > > John Burns > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:14 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, > so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... > > Rick > > > -Original Message----- > From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > "...free version of VMWare." > > Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare > player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' > cool!!! > > http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html > > * > Ken Ferguson > 214.636.6126 > * > > > > > > > Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > >> I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with >> a >> > > >> free version of vmware. >> >> They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try >> things without causing any damage to your main installation though. >> >> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. >> Bobby Hartsfield >> http://acoderslife.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. >> >> Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any >> of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? >> >> Other ways? Should I bother? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Apparently, VMotion is not free, even with the "Starter" edition of VMWare. I couldn't find a price for VMotion as an add-on to the "Starter" edition of VMWare... any idea how much it is? Rick -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? With VMWare's VMotion, you can move an instance of a Windows server from one physical machine to another without anybody having any clue that you did it! That is the definition of cool. http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Burns, John D wrote: > I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM servers > for production use? I've heard of people buying one top of the line > piece of hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. > This just scares me because it seems like one more point of possible > failure, possible performance losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a > new thing or is this really not a good practice for production? I can > definitely see the value in development environments but I'm not sure > about production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are there > security and/or performance concerns that need to be taken into consideration? > Obviously there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing > with the hardware but if proper precautions are taken for redundancy > and such is it really a viable solution? Also, how would all of this > work when you get into clustering and such? Would you cluster each VM > to the other VMs and then leave the base OS that all the VMs are > running on alone and not cluster/replicate them? Any experience or > knowledge you can lend would be awesome. > > John Burns > > -Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:14 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, > so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... > > Rick > > > -----Original Message- > From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > "...free version of VMWare." > > Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare > player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' > cool!!! > > http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html > > * > Ken Ferguson > 214.636.6126 > * > > > > > > > Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > >> I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with >> a >> > > >> free version of vmware. >> >> They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try >> things without causing any damage to your main installation though. >> >> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. >> Bobby Hartsfield >> http://acoderslife.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. >> >> Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any >> of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? >> >> Other ways? Should I bother? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
On Friday 14 July 2006 15:42, Rick Faircloth wrote: > It's good to verify what MS says on their site by someone with > some "field experience", rather than just relying on what the "tin" > states, right Snake? Pft, we use VMWare here :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246560 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
With VMWare's VMotion, you can move an instance of a Windows server from one physical machine to another without anybody having any clue that you did it! That is the definition of cool. http://www.vmware.com/products/vi/vc/vmotion.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Burns, John D wrote: > I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM servers for > production use? I've heard of people buying one top of the line piece of > hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. This just > scares me because it seems like one more point of possible failure, > possible performance losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a new thing > or is this really not a good practice for production? I can definitely > see the value in development environments but I'm not sure about > production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are there security > and/or performance concerns that need to be taken into consideration? > Obviously there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing with > the hardware but if proper precautions are taken for redundancy and such > is it really a viable solution? Also, how would all of this work when > you get into clustering and such? Would you cluster each VM to the other > VMs and then leave the base OS that all the VMs are running on alone and > not cluster/replicate them? Any experience or knowledge you can lend > would be awesome. > > John Burns > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:14 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, > so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > "...free version of VMWare." > > Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare > player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' > cool!!! > > http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html > > * > Ken Ferguson > 214.636.6126 > * > > > > > > > Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > >> I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a >> > > >> free version of vmware. >> >> They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try >> things without causing any damage to your main installation though. >> >> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. >> Bobby Hartsfield >> http://acoderslife.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. >> >> Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any >> of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? >> >> Other ways? Should I bother? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246559 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I have only used VirtualPC for mac, to run Windows on my mac at home. I hate to do it, but that aside, it works very well indeed and sometimes you still just have to run Windows. * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Rick Faircloth wrote: > Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, > so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > "...free version of VMWare." > > Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare > player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' cool!!! > > http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html > > * > Ken Ferguson > 214.636.6126 > * > > > > > > > Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > >> I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a >> free version of vmware. >> >> They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try >> things without causing any damage to your main installation though. >> >> ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. >> Bobby Hartsfield >> http://acoderslife.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? >> >> So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. >> >> Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any >> of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? >> >> Other ways? Should I bother? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Not quite sure what you mean by "hardware agnostic OS and software"...wouldn't each OS have to be just as aware of the hardware it's running on and the software running on it? Rick -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? I could see people using VM Servers in a production enviroment, mostly because you now have a hardware agnostic OS and software install. So while you see 1 point of failure, someone else sees a way to easily move their production server to new hardware if their old hardware fails. Even if you only run one server on the VM server you could still get the benefit of the hardware agnostic OS. Each VM or Microsoft Virtual Server run as though it were a machine on the OS. So you wouldn't need to cluster the VM, you can run clustering as though they were different machines. I don't know if there is a clustering options for the VMWare or Microsoft, not sure if it's even needed. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246557 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
On Friday 14 July 2006 15:35, Burns, John D wrote: > hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. This just > scares me because it seems like one more point of possible failure, It's a valid point. I think of it this way: If I was running X servers, I'd need 2*X bits of hardware to be redundant. With VM, I need 2 (beefy) servers. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246556 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Thanks, Tom! It's good to verify what MS says on their site by someone with some "field experience", rather than just relying on what the "tin" states, right Snake? Rick -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? On Friday 14 July 2006 15:19, Rick Faircloth wrote: > It's my understanding that the Windows would be always working as the > host OS and then I would need to allow for extra memory, etc, for a > Virtual OS that I might initialize. > > Sound right? Yup. You need whatever resources your host O/S and applications need, plus whatever the guest (virtual) O/S needs. So, in todays terms, at least a gig of ram (512 each) (more better) and as much disk and Ghz as you can afford. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246555 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I could see people using VM Servers in a production enviroment, mostly because you now have a hardware agnostic OS and software install. So while you see 1 point of failure, someone else sees a way to easily move their production server to new hardware if their old hardware fails. Even if you only run one server on the VM server you could still get the benefit of the hardware agnostic OS. Each VM or Microsoft Virtual Server run as though it were a machine on the OS. So you wouldn't need to cluster the VM, you can run clustering as though they were different machines. I don't know if there is a clustering options for the VMWare or Microsoft, not sure if it's even needed. Bob ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I have kind of a stupid question. Are people using these VM servers for production use? I've heard of people buying one top of the line piece of hardware and run multiple production servers on it using VM. This just scares me because it seems like one more point of possible failure, possible performance losses, etc. Am I just being antsy of a new thing or is this really not a good practice for production? I can definitely see the value in development environments but I'm not sure about production. Do the VMs have much overhead to them? Are there security and/or performance concerns that need to be taken into consideration? Obviously there's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing with the hardware but if proper precautions are taken for redundancy and such is it really a viable solution? Also, how would all of this work when you get into clustering and such? Would you cluster each VM to the other VMs and then leave the base OS that all the VMs are running on alone and not cluster/replicate them? Any experience or knowledge you can lend would be awesome. John Burns -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... Rick -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? "...free version of VMWare." Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' cool!!! http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a > free version of vmware. > > They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try > things without causing any damage to your main installation though. > > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. > > Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any > of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? > > Other ways? Should I bother? > > Rick > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246552 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
On Friday 14 July 2006 15:19, Rick Faircloth wrote: > It's my understanding that the Windows would be always working as > the host OS and then I would need to allow for extra memory, etc, for > a Virtual OS that I might initialize. > > Sound right? Yup. You need whatever resources your host O/S and applications need, plus whatever the guest (virtual) O/S needs. So, in todays terms, at least a gig of ram (512 each) (more better) and as much disk and Ghz as you can afford. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
So...how much hardware, especially CPU and memory to run all the OS's at once? Are the system resources just taken up by Windows as the host and one other OS at a time for a Virtual OS? It's my understanding that the Windows would be always working as the host OS and then I would need to allow for extra memory, etc, for a Virtual OS that I might initialize. Sound right? -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. > > Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any > of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? Yup... both server and standard. My home development box is a VPC Server host: one big box, lots of little (virtual) servers. Until I got him a dedicated box I also used VPC in a lifesaving application: to run a dedicated Windows 98 instance to install all the crappy games that my toddler son demanded. It saved my ass when "Thomas and the Magic Annoying Choo-Choo" decided it NEEDED to run at 256 colors at 640x480 and uninstalled DirectX to do it. For business use I've got a large collection of VPCs: all versions of Windows, several Linux distros and some oddballs (BeOS... just for kicks). I've also got a VPC with a second Windows XP license just to install my work software and keep it from infecting my actual PC (Lotus Notes, DB2 Client, etc). VPCs are good network citizens and I can happily VPN to the office from with in the VPC. All that said I've found no significant differences between VPC and VMWare: they both do exactly what they say they're going to do and both do it exceedingly well. What I really want is for one of them to allow OS X as a guest OS... Jim Davis ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246548 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
Ken, have you used MS's Virtual PC? I have no experience with either, so would be interested in how they compare for ease-of-use... Rick -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? "...free version of VMWare." Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' cool!!! http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a > free version of vmware. > > They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try > things without causing any damage to your main installation though. > > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. > > Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any > of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? > > Other ways? Should I bother? > > Rick > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246545 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I guess what you're saying as far as software updates/patches is to perhaps setup two virtual OS's of the same OS and run updates/patches on one first, and, if they work well, then bring up the other and apply...if not, roll back? Rick -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a free version of vmware. They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try things without causing any damage to your main installation though. ...:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? Other ways? Should I bother? Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246543 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
> -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. > > Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are > any of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? Yup... both server and standard. My home development box is a VPC Server host: one big box, lots of little (virtual) servers. Until I got him a dedicated box I also used VPC in a lifesaving application: to run a dedicated Windows 98 instance to install all the crappy games that my toddler son demanded. It saved my ass when "Thomas and the Magic Annoying Choo-Choo" decided it NEEDED to run at 256 colors at 640x480 and uninstalled DirectX to do it. For business use I've got a large collection of VPCs: all versions of Windows, several Linux distros and some oddballs (BeOS... just for kicks). I've also got a VPC with a second Windows XP license just to install my work software and keep it from infecting my actual PC (Lotus Notes, DB2 Client, etc). VPCs are good network citizens and I can happily VPN to the office from with in the VPC. All that said I've found no significant differences between VPC and VMWare: they both do exactly what they say they're going to do and both do it exceedingly well. What I really want is for one of them to allow OS X as a guest OS... Jim Davis ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
"...free version of VMWare." Which is absolutely incredible. I've been playing with the free VMWare player and server for the last few days and, DAMN! That is freakin' cool!!! http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html * Ken Ferguson 214.636.6126 * Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a free > version of vmware. > > They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try things > without causing any damage to your main installation though. > > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? > > So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. > > Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are > any of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? > > Other ways? Should I bother? > > Rick > > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246530 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
On Friday 14 July 2006 13:45, Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a free > version of vmware. anti-trust -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246528 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
I'm sure Microsoft's recent change of heart has something to do with a free version of vmware. They are great ways to test the impact of software updates and try things without causing any damage to your main installation though. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? Other ways? Should I bother? Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not?
It does what it says on the tin. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 July 2006 12:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Microsoft Virtual PC / Should I be interested, or not? So I get this email that MS has released Virtual PC for free. Not having used Virtual PC or anything like it, I have to ask.are any of you using Virtual PC or something similar in you CF work? Other ways? Should I bother? Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/message.cfm/forumid:4/messageid:246519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
