[cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie

[nedlud]

Hi Everyone,

I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
understand yet.

My current problem is performance.

I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.

Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
load on the production machine.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
10, then bang! Hangtime!

The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
they are causing the problem.

I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of caching
issue? And how best can I debug this?

Any advice greatly welcome,

Lucien.
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Ricardo Russon]

Quick question : i know im going to get shot for this.
But as a developer, why is it my job to promote coldfusion? Isn't that
Adobe's job?
Don't they already pay people to do that?

I am a part time ColdFusion Developer, and I also run a small web shop where
we converted a lot of our ColdFusion code to PHP.

Because its what our clients had already "invested" in. And as mentioned
previously on this list, you do what makes good business sense. With PHP we
know that 99% of the time clients already have the infrastructure to support
it. That's simply not the case with ColdFusion. That's Adobe's job to fix.
Not mine. Until they can get their product into more hosting companies, and
on a level pricing structure with everyone else, there will always be
problems.

And I always get left with : Why? - "Why is it going to cost me me more per
year to host this application than to host something on a cheap PHP server"
- And the reason usually comes down to, "Because I can deliver it to you
faster" - That doesn't always cut it with clients.

I don't see what me going around and trying to convert all the "lost souls"
is going to do, or what direct benefit there is for me in promoting CF. As a
developer my job is to deliver solutions. If my clients don't care what's in
my tool box, then I would probably choose to use CF. If not, it shouldn't be
my job to sell them on CF.

... Maybe if i had a reseller account with them, that would be a different
story.

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[cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[Owen West]

Andrew,
 
I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would
simply expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out.
Actually, as you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta
release, not a rtm release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has
happened...
 
Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would
have a 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this
way? Is the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit
version? I could not imagine that being the case? I could understand
Apache, esp if a non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for
their PC or laptop, but on a server this would (to me anyway) be
something of a strange case... 
 
Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this
sort of thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector
to use, or at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file
indicating the situation, not just fail silently.
 
Cheers,
 
Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
Computer Programmer 
Applications Development Team
Information Technology & Telecommunications
Hunter New England Health
Ph: (02) 4921 4194
Fax: (02) 4921 4191
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


>>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>

Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does
the installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no
error what so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run
the CF Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that
you have to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even
browsing the beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse
Beta versions worked fine. Like I stated.
I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
get caught out on this like I did.

 
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au ( http://www.aegeon.com.au/ )
Phone: +613  9015 8628
Mobile: 0404 998 273
 
 

From:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Owen West
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)

 

It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of
64-bit and 32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper
web server connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connectors
when connecting to your web server, depending on whether you have 64 or
32 bit parts...it all seems a bit confusing really...

 

Then again, maybe this is just Vista being Vista?

 

Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
Computer Programmer 
Applications Development Team

Information Technology & Telecommunications
Hunter New England Health
Ph: (02) 4921 4194
Fax: (02) 4921 4191
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



>>> "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/04/2008 5:23 pm >>>

Ok
 
If anyone is interested this seems to be a bug in the installer. I have
Apache running on this machine and the only way to have it run was to
have the pools run in 32bit mode. So the support of 32 bit was enabled.
 
The installer seems to not know this and adjust accordingly, maybe
right maybe not.
 
So when I switched the connectors to use 32 bit for coldfusion bingo,
the cfm sites worked again. The moment I switched these pools to not
enabled 32 bit the sites no longer worked. Until I switched the 32 bit
upport for coldfusion connectors off.
 
Oh well 4 hours of frustration and installing, but why the hell it
seems to want to work this way in the release version was beyond me.
 
Problem solved, so if anyone else runs into this you'll have another KB
for you tools of how to for Vista 64bit and Coldfusion 8J
 
 
 
 
From:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 12:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

Well this maybe a "after the fact" tip, but in future i'd recommend you
install beta products on virtual machines. In the event an RTM/RTW
occurs you can swap out your code base on a fresh install.

 

Thus removing the headache your in now ;)

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

No it shouldn't but it does for some unknown reason...
 
 
 
From:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 12:02 PM 


To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

my humble apologies ;) i missed the beta context. It shouldn't make a
difference but... whom knows.

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Scott...
 
Did you miss the poin

[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Kay Smoljak]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Ricardo Russon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But as a developer, why is it my job to promote coldfusion?

Short answer: it's not.

Long answer: many people feel that if ColdFusion were more popular and
widespread, they'd have better job security/job prospects etc. We like
coding in ColdFusion so we would like this to happen. ColdFusion's
success is our success. So to help ColdFusion compete with .NET (which
has MS behind it, with far more resources than Adobe) and PHP/Ruby
(which have large proactive open source communities behind them), many
people in the CF community feel they that by helping Adobe, we are
helping ourselves.

-- 
Kay Smoljak
business: www.cleverstarfish.com
coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com
personal: goatlady.wordpress.com | heapsbad.com

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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[M@ Bourke]

It's been a long time since I've dabbed with fusebox 3, but see if it has a
production/development setting in the configurations like the fusebox 4+ etc

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[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[CyberAngel]

Because you did not read my post.

For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Owen West
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

Andrew,

 

I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually, as
you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a rtm
release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...

 

Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have a
32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way? Is
the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if a
non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop, but
on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case... 

 

Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this sort of
thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use, or
at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
situation, not just fail silently.

 

Cheers,

 

Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
Computer Programmer 
Applications Development Team

Information Technology & Telecommunications
Hunter New England Health
Ph: (02) 4921 4194
Fax: (02) 4921 4191
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



>>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>

Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!

If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does the
installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error what
so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you have
to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.

At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing the
beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
worked fine. Like I stated.

I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't get
caught out on this like I did.

 

Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au  
Phone: +613  9015 8628
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Owen West
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)

 

It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of 64-bit and
32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper web server
connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connectors when connecting
to your web server, depending on whether you have 64 or 32 bit parts...it
all seems a bit confusing really...

 

Then again, maybe this is just Vista being Vista?

 

Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
Computer Programmer 
Applications Development Team

Information Technology & Telecommunications
Hunter New England Health
Ph: (02) 4921 4194
Fax: (02) 4921 4191
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



>>> "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/04/2008 5:23 pm >>>

Ok

 

If anyone is interested this seems to be a bug in the installer. I have
Apache running on this machine and the only way to have it run was to have
the pools run in 32bit mode. So the support of 32 bit was enabled.

 

The installer seems to not know this and adjust accordingly, maybe right
maybe not.

 

So when I switched the connectors to use 32 bit for coldfusion bingo, the
cfm sites worked again. The moment I switched these pools to not enabled 32
bit the sites no longer worked. Until I switched the 32 bit upport for
coldfusion connectors off.

 

Oh well 4 hours of frustration and installing, but why the hell it seems to
want to work this way in the release version was beyond me.

 

Problem solved, so if anyone else runs into this you'll have another KB for
you tools of how to for Vista 64bit and Coldfusion 8J

 

 

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 12:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

Well this maybe a "after the fact" tip, but in future i'd recommend you
install beta products on virtual machines. In the event an RTM/RTW occurs
you can swap out your code base on a fresh install.

 

Thus removing the headache your in now ;)

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No it shouldn't but it does for some unknown reason...

 

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.

[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Geoff Bowers]

On Apr 9, 9:46 pm, "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Geoff, Mark and a few others are always doing presentations on
> Coldfusion related products.

In recent years I've been talking about:

Taming the Code (and other code management topics)
Taming the Client (and other client management topics)
Igniting Your Community (and other open source evangelism)
The future of the web (crazy, eh :)
(plus of course all things CF and FarCry)

I attend venues such as web standards group, webJam and others more
frequently than I do CFUGs. Regardless of the topic my code examples
are nearly always CF related -- and why not?  Just about any developer
can understand CF constructs.

(btw anyone wants me to turn up somewhere and talk I'll do my best to
oblige).

I do this because I'm interested in these sorts of things, and hope
that other people might be interested too.  It's certainly not because
I feel any overriding need to preach ColdFusion to people -- although
I do enjoy giving a good CF sermon whenever I get a chance :)

I love programming in ColdFusion -- it's just so powerful.  I rarely,
if ever, think of the demise of CF.  It always seems like a silly
topic to me.  If it ever happens we'll just move, albeit with much
regret, to something else.  But for now it's a most elegant solution,
which can be turned to just about any web project both big and small.
I use it because it continues to be the best choice for my company and
clients.

My advice?  Keep building great things.  Keep building them on time.
Keep exceeding expectations.

That may sound like a glib statement -- but its hard for management to
face down a team that enjoys their tools and continues to produce
working solutions.

All the best,

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/




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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[barry.b]

you may already know this but just in case:

I'm thinking it might be worthwhile turning on the debugging on the
server to specifically looking for

"Database Activity"
"Select this check box to show the database activity for the SQL Query
events and Stored Procedure events in the debugging output. "

to see if there's lots of little queries being called one after
another or duplication of queries that could be refactored.

and while you're there:

"Report Execution Times"
"Highlight templates taking longer than the following (ms) XXX"

to show (in the debugging output in red) the pages that take too long.
this may help pin-point where to look for problems.

this is under Debugging & Logging  -> Debugging Settings  in the
ColdFusion administrator

hope this helps. Let us know how you're coming alone with tracking it
down?

good luck






On Apr 14, 5:52 pm, "M@ Bourke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> It's been a long time since I've dabbed with fusebox 3, but see if it has a
> production/development setting in the configurations like the fusebox 4+ etc
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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Geoff Bowers]

On Apr 14, 5:11 pm, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
> every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
> session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
> they are causing the problem.

What version of ColdFusion are you running?  What operating system and
number of CPUs are on your machines?

This may simply be that you are experiencing poorly timed garbage
collection [1] on the box.  And a little bit of tuning [2] might go a
long way to alleviating your problems.

Perhaps you might try running your application under CF8 developer
edition and using the built in server monitor for better information
on the internals of ColdFusion [3].  Or even a trial version of
SeeFusion [4] or FusionReactor [5].

All the best,

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_collection_(computer_science)
[2]: http://www.petefreitag.com/item/139.cfm
[3]: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/monitoring_pt1.html
[4]: http://www.seefusion.com/
[5]: http://www.fusion-reactor.com/

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[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[MrBuzzy]

Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
etc.
cheers



On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because you did not read my post.
>
> For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually, as
> you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a rtm
> release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
>
>
>
> Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have a
> 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way? Is
> the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if a
> non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop, but
> on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this sort of
> thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use, or
> at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> situation, not just fail silently.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
>
> Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
>
> If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does the
> installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error what
> so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you have
> to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
>
> At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing the
> beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> worked fine. Like I stated.
>
> I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't get
> caught out on this like I did.
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au 
> Phone: +613  9015 8628
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
> needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)
>
>
>
> It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of 64-bit and
> 32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper web server
> connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connectors when connecting
> to your web server, depending on whether you have 64 or 32 bit parts...it
> all seems a bit confusing really...
>
>
>
> Then again, maybe this is just Vista being Vista?
>
>
>
> Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/04/2008 5:23 pm >>>
>
> Ok
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested this seems to be a bug in the installer. I have
> Apache running on this machine and the only way to have it run was to have
> the pools run in 32bit mode. So the support of 32 bit was enabled.
>
>
>
> The installer seems to not know this and adjust accordingly, maybe right
> maybe not.
>
>
>
> So when I switched the connectors to use 32 bit for coldfusion bingo, the
> cfm sites worked again. The moment I switched these pools to not enabled 32
> bit the sites no longer worked. Until I switched the 32 bit upport for
> coldfusion connectors off.
>
>
>
> Oh well 4 hours of frustration and installing, but why the hell it seems to
> want to work this way in the release version was beyond me.
>
>
>
> Problem solved, so if anyone else runs into this you'll have another KB for
> you tools of how to for Vista 64bit and Coldfusion 8J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 12:15 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: C

[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Mark Mandel]

That's the first email I've ever seen with footnotes...

Mark

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Apr 14, 5:11 pm, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
>  > every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
>  > session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
>  > they are causing the problem.
>
>  What version of ColdFusion are you running?  What operating system and
>  number of CPUs are on your machines?
>
>  This may simply be that you are experiencing poorly timed garbage
>  collection [1] on the box.  And a little bit of tuning [2] might go a
>  long way to alleviating your problems.
>
>  Perhaps you might try running your application under CF8 developer
>  edition and using the built in server monitor for better information
>  on the internals of ColdFusion [3].  Or even a trial version of
>  SeeFusion [4] or FusionReactor [5].
>
>  All the best,
>
>  -- geoff
>  http://www.daemon.com.au/
>
>  [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_collection_(computer_science)
>  [2]: http://www.petefreitag.com/item/139.cfm
>  [3]: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/monitoring_pt1.html
>  [4]: http://www.seefusion.com/
>  [5]: http://www.fusion-reactor.com/
>
>
>
>  >
>



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[cfaussie] CF8 .Net error

[CyberAngel]

Anyone seen this error before, and know what it means? Or more to the point
why it is happening?

 

java.io.IOException: Cannot run program
"d:\ColdFusion8\jnbridge\jnbproxy.exe": CreateProcess error=206, The
filename or extension is too long 

 


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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Kay Smoljak]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That's the first email I've ever seen with footnotes...

You've obviously never hung out on Usenet. Geoff is old-school :)

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[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[CyberAngel]

Excuse me for your total ignorance as well...

The release notes if I recall correctly state that it checks the status of
the bits, and ask you what to do for IIS.

How many times do I have to repeat myself before any of you idiots (sorry
but your pissing me off) read what I said.

1) I had apache installed, and the IIS setting was enabled to use 32bit
application pools.
2) Coldfusion installed without a problem.
3) Run a cfml page error 500.
4) Uninstalled the official release.
5) Reinstall beta release
6) Able to run cfml pages again.

MrFuzzy, like I stated the official release errors when running cfml for
some reason it doesn't do as what I read in the release notes. Secondly the
beta works, so what the fuck do you want me to do about it. Rewrite the
release notes to say that it doesn't do what the installer says it does?

Sorry I am pissed of that you expected me to have not read every known
issue, release note in public and beta forums on that issue? And there is
nothing to say that you have to manually do this, because it all states the
installer will do the figuring for you.

However if the installer did its job like the release notes says, it asks
you, it doesn't ask you.

So after all the reading I did, and came across this little tid bit you can
shove the release notes up where it fits Now if that hurts so be it.



-Original Message-
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MrBuzzy
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 6:46 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista


Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
etc.
cheers



On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because you did not read my post.
>
> For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually, as
> you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a
rtm
> release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
>
>
>
> Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have a
> 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way? Is
> the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if a
> non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop,
but
> on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this sort
of
> thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use,
or
> at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> situation, not just fail silently.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
>
> Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
>
> If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does the
> installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error what
> so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you have
> to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
>
> At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing
the
> beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> worked fine. Like I stated.
>
> I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
get
> caught out on this like I did.
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au 
> Phone: +613  9015 8628
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
> needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)
>
>
>
> It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of 64-bit
and
> 32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper web server
> connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connector

[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Gary Barber]

oh usenet I remember that...  fond memories.. :)

-- 
Gary Barber
Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect

Web: radharc.com.au
blog: manwithnoblog.com


Kay Smoljak wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  That's the first email I've ever seen with footnotes...
>> 
>
> You've obviously never hung out on Usenet. Geoff is old-school :)
>
>   


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[cfaussie] RE: CF8 .Net error

[CyberAngel]

Ok if anyone gets this error. Then it is a bug in the jnbridge proxy. it
assumes that all properties has a get / set method..

 

Doh:-(

 

 

 

 

From: CyberAngel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 6:47 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: CF8 .Net error

 

Anyone seen this error before, and know what it means? Or more to the point
why it is happening?

 

java.io.IOException: Cannot run program
"d:\ColdFusion8\jnbridge\jnbproxy.exe": CreateProcess error=206, The
filename or extension is too long 

 


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[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[CyberAngel]

And you wonder why?

 

How does that help the Coldfusion 8 Update 1 release, under 64bit Vista?

 

Please tell me I would like to know..

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rae Buerckner
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 8:18 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

Thank you for being so aggressive... have you followed these
instructions

http://www.acidlabs.org/2005/03/07/acme-guide-11-released/

... btw... i was the initiating author on this... please don't follow the
patch instructions for CF7, just install the latest version of CF8, at some
point in the near future, I will upgrade docs to CF8.

Cheers,

Rae

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM, MrBuzzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
etc.
cheers




On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because you did not read my post.
>
> For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually, as
> you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a
rtm
> release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
>
>
>
> Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have a
> 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way? Is
> the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if a
> non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop,
but
> on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this sort
of
> thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use,
or
> at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> situation, not just fail silently.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
>
> Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
>
> If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does the
> installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error what
> so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you have
> to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
>
> At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing
the
> beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> worked fine. Like I stated.
>
> I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
get
> caught out on this like I did.
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.

> www.aegeon.com.au 

> Phone: +613  9015 8628
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
> needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)
>
>
>
> It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of 64-bit
and
> 32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper web server
> connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connectors when
connecting
> to your web server, depending on whether you have 64 or 32 bit parts...it
> all seems a bit confusing really...
>
>
>
> Then again, maybe this is just Vista being Vista?
>
>
>
> Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/04/2008 5:23 pm >>>
>
> Ok
>
>
>
> If anyone is interested this seems to be a bug in the installer. I have
> Apache running on this machine and the only way to have it run was to have
> the pools run in 32bit mode. So the support of 32 bit was enabled.
>
>
>
> The installer seems to not know this and adjust accordingly,

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[MrBuzzy]

I knew it likely wouldn't help, just wanted to see how much of a  you
would be.

It seems to me, no matter how much effort any of us put in to helping (with
what I'm not sure), you probably won't be satisfied anyway.

Why does Natalie Bastingweight yell all the time? Oww my freakin' ears.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:06 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Excuse me for your total ignorance as well...
>
> The release notes if I recall correctly state that it checks the status of
> the bits, and ask you what to do for IIS.
>
> How many times do I have to repeat myself before any of you idiots (sorry
> but your pissing me off) read what I said.
>
> 1) I had apache installed, and the IIS setting was enabled to use 32bit
> application pools.
> 2) Coldfusion installed without a problem.
> 3) Run a cfml page error 500.
> 4) Uninstalled the official release.
> 5) Reinstall beta release
> 6) Able to run cfml pages again.
>
> MrFuzzy, like I stated the official release errors when running cfml for
> some reason it doesn't do as what I read in the release notes. Secondly
> the
> beta works, so what the fuck do you want me to do about it. Rewrite the
> release notes to say that it doesn't do what the installer says it does?
>
> Sorry I am pissed of that you expected me to have not read every known
> issue, release note in public and beta forums on that issue? And there is
> nothing to say that you have to manually do this, because it all states
> the
> installer will do the figuring for you.
>
> However if the installer did its job like the release notes says, it asks
> you, it doesn't ask you.
>
> So after all the reading I did, and came across this little tid bit you
> can
> shove the release notes up where it fits Now if that hurts so be it.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> Of MrBuzzy
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 6:46 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
> Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
> notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
> etc.
> cheers
>
>
>
> On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Because you did not read my post.
> >
> > For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> > 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Owen West
> > Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> >
> >
> > I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> > expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually,
> as
> > you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a
> rtm
> > release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
> >
> >
> >
> > Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have
> a
> > 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way?
> Is
> > the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> > could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if
> a
> > non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop,
> but
> > on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
> >
> >
> >
> > Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this
> sort
> of
> > thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use,
> or
> > at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> > situation, not just fail silently.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> > Computer Programmer
> > Applications Development Team
> >
> > Information Technology & Telecommunications
> > Hunter New England Health
> > Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> > Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
> >
> > Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
> >
> > If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does
> the
> > installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error
> what
> > so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> > Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you
> have
> > to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
> >
> > At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing
> the
> > beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> > worked fine. Like I stated.
> >
> > I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
> get
> > caught out on this like I did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew Scott
> > Senior Coldfusion Developer
> > Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> > www.aegeon.com.au

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[Rae Buerckner]

Thank you for being so aggressive... have you followed these
instructions

http://www.acidlabs.org/2005/03/07/acme-guide-11-released/

... btw... i was the initiating author on this... please don't follow the
patch instructions for CF7, just install the latest version of CF8, at some
point in the near future, I will upgrade docs to CF8.

Cheers,

Rae

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:45 PM, MrBuzzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
> notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
> etc.
> cheers
>
>
>
> On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Because you did not read my post.
> >
> > For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> > 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Owen West
> > Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> >
> >
> > I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> > expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually,
> as
> > you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a
> rtm
> > release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
> >
> >
> >
> > Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have
> a
> > 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way?
> Is
> > the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> > could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if
> a
> > non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop,
> but
> > on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
> >
> >
> >
> > Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this
> sort of
> > thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use,
> or
> > at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> > situation, not just fail silently.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> > Computer Programmer
> > Applications Development Team
> >
> > Information Technology & Telecommunications
> > Hunter New England Health
> > Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> > Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
> >
> > Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
> >
> > If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does
> the
> > installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error
> what
> > so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> > Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you
> have
> > to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
> >
> > At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing
> the
> > beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> > worked fine. Like I stated.
> >
> > I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
> get
> > caught out on this like I did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew Scott
> > Senior Coldfusion Developer
> > Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> > www.aegeon.com.au 
> > Phone: +613  9015 8628
> > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Owen West
> > Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 3:26 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been reading the release notes and install guides (I know, but I
> > needed to get some sleep and that seemed like the best way)  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > It does mention that there are about 77 different combinations of 64-bit
> and
> > 32-bit CF and IIS and Apache...you need to install the proper web server
> > connectors, and also make sure you use the proper connectors when
> connecting
> > to your web server, depending on whether you have 64 or 32 bit
> parts...it
> > all seems a bit confusing really...
> >
> >
> >
> > Then again, maybe this is just Vista being Vista?
> >
> >
> >
> > Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
> > Computer Programmer
> > Applications Development Team
> >
> > Information Technology & Telecommunications
> > Hunter New England Health
> > Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> > Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/04/2008 5:23 pm >>>
> >
> > Ok
> >
> >
> >
> > If anyone is interested this seems to be a bug in the installer. I have
> > Apache running on this machine and the only way to have it run was to
> have
> > the pools run in 32bit mode. So the support of 32 bit was enabled.
> >
> >
> >
> > The installer seems to not know this and adjust accordingly, maybe right
> > mayb

[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

[CyberAngel]

You know there are times when someone makes a post, and trying to be a
smartass gets a smartass comment back.

 

You did open yourself up for an attack, that's all I will say.

 

 

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MrBuzzy
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 8:07 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista

 

I knew it likely wouldn't help, just wanted to see how much of a  you
would be.

It seems to me, no matter how much effort any of us put in to helping (with
what I'm not sure), you probably won't be satisfied anyway.

Why does Natalie Bastingweight yell all the time? Oww my freakin' ears.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:06 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Excuse me for your total ignorance as well...

The release notes if I recall correctly state that it checks the status of
the bits, and ask you what to do for IIS.

How many times do I have to repeat myself before any of you idiots (sorry
but your pissing me off) read what I said.

1) I had apache installed, and the IIS setting was enabled to use 32bit
application pools.
2) Coldfusion installed without a problem.
3) Run a cfml page error 500.
4) Uninstalled the official release.
5) Reinstall beta release
6) Able to run cfml pages again.

MrFuzzy, like I stated the official release errors when running cfml for
some reason it doesn't do as what I read in the release notes. Secondly the
beta works, so what the fuck do you want me to do about it. Rewrite the
release notes to say that it doesn't do what the installer says it does?

Sorry I am pissed of that you expected me to have not read every known
issue, release note in public and beta forums on that issue? And there is
nothing to say that you have to manually do this, because it all states the
installer will do the figuring for you.

However if the installer did its job like the release notes says, it asks
you, it doesn't ask you.

So after all the reading I did, and came across this little tid bit you can
shove the release notes up where it fits Now if that hurts so be it.




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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Of MrBuzzy
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 6:46 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista


Please forgive my simpleton response.. Did you read the 801 release
notes? It seems to cover the caveats of 64 bit, especially connectors
etc.
cheers



On 4/14/08, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because you did not read my post.
>
> For apache to run under Vista 64bit, the application pools need to be in
> 32bit mode enabled. Or did you miss that?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Owen West
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 5:31 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8U1 and Vista
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I would certainly agree that in shrinkwrap code release you would simply
> expect an installer routine to figure this sort of thing out. Actually, as
> you mentioned, you'd expect to have problems with a beta release, not a
rtm
> release! Kind of the opposite of what actually has happened...
>
>
>
> Although, for the life of me I cannot figure out why somebody would have a
> 32-bit IIS on a 64-bit Windows OS? How would one even end up this way? Is
> the IIS packaged with Windows 2003 x64 or IA64 only a 32-bit version? I
> could not imagine that being the case? I could understand Apache, esp if a
> non-tech user had downloaded the 32-bit version for their PC or laptop,
but
> on a server this would (to me anyway) be something of a strange case...
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, Andrew you are absolutely right - we would expect this sort
of
> thing to "just work". It should auto-detect the proper connector to use,
or
> at least throw a warning on screen AND in a log file indicating the
> situation, not just fail silently.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Owen West  M.SysDev (C.Sturt) MCP MCAD MCSD
> Computer Programmer
> Applications Development Team
>
> Information Technology & Telecommunications
> Hunter New England Health
> Ph: (02) 4921 4194
> Fax: (02) 4921 4191
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> >>> Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 14/04/2008 4:05 pm >>>
>
> Yes, but you expect the installer to do its job foremost!!!
>
> If like me you had forgotten that IIS was also in 32bit, then why does the
> installer not pick this up? Like I said first post, there is no error what
> so ever until you try to run a cfm template. And to then run the CF
> Connector generates all kinds of errors, and unless you know that you have
> to run it as administrator can be a gotcha as well.
>
> At the end of the day, I came across this by accident. Not even browsing
the
> beta forums was of any help on this. And to make it worse Beta versions
> worked fine. Like I stated.
>
> I think more checking in the installer needs to be done, so users don't
get
> caught out on this l

[cfaussie] Vista and Coldfusion update 1 64bit

[CyberAngel]

This I am posting because I don't believe people are clear of the problems
that I have discovered.

 

First of all the release not clearly state that by default it installs in 32
bit mode, and under vista (I can't confirm this under XP) that you will need
to set the appPool to enable 32 bit and gives you instructions on how to do
this.

 

What the release notes do not say is this.

 

If you have already enabled this 32bit compatibility mode, and install
Coldfusion it actually installs the 64bit connector. And if you disable the
32bit compatibility mode in IIS, it actually works. Or if you go to swconfig
and enable the 32bit mode, it also works.

 

To me this seems reversed, and it maybe just be my system. Who knows.

 

But the trick is this.

 

If you have 32bit compatibility mode switched on, you need to run the
wsconfig and manually enable the 32bit connector.

 

If you are not in the 32bit mode, guess what it installs fine.

 

And whether I read the release notes or not, nothing prepared me for the
problems.

 

Was I not that clear when I posted my results? Please tell me?

 


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

We luv Geoff.. he's been the rock for CF Community for a decade (who here
feels old at the decade remark). I think all should give it up for Geoff
Bowers, as CF-life-time achievement award (seriously, he deserves a trophy
or something) :)
I'm fed-exing you a hug Geoff :)
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Apr 9, 9:46 pm, "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think that Geoff, Mark and a few others are always doing presentations
> on
> > Coldfusion related products.
>
> In recent years I've been talking about:
>
> Taming the Code (and other code management topics)
> Taming the Client (and other client management topics)
> Igniting Your Community (and other open source evangelism)
> The future of the web (crazy, eh :)
> (plus of course all things CF and FarCry)
>
> I attend venues such as web standards group, webJam and others more
> frequently than I do CFUGs. Regardless of the topic my code examples
> are nearly always CF related -- and why not?  Just about any developer
> can understand CF constructs.
>
> (btw anyone wants me to turn up somewhere and talk I'll do my best to
> oblige).
>
> I do this because I'm interested in these sorts of things, and hope
> that other people might be interested too.  It's certainly not because
> I feel any overriding need to preach ColdFusion to people -- although
> I do enjoy giving a good CF sermon whenever I get a chance :)
>
> I love programming in ColdFusion -- it's just so powerful.  I rarely,
> if ever, think of the demise of CF.  It always seems like a silly
> topic to me.  If it ever happens we'll just move, albeit with much
> regret, to something else.  But for now it's a most elegant solution,
> which can be turned to just about any web project both big and small.
> I use it because it continues to be the best choice for my company and
> clients.
>
> My advice?  Keep building great things.  Keep building them on time.
> Keep exceeding expectations.
>
> That may sound like a glib statement -- but its hard for management to
> face down a team that enjoys their tools and continues to produce
> working solutions.
>
> All the best,
>
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
>
>
>
>
> >
>


-- 
Regards,
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

>
> *RE: Kay;s comment - compete with .NET (which has MS behind it, with far
> more resources than Adobe) *
>

Actually a lot of the compete concern doesn't derive from Microsoft itself,
your actual real competitors are the partners / customers of .NET
technology. Microsoft market .NET in a plethora of ways, we specifically
don't actively compete with Coldfusion all that much. In that in the end,
folks here also are customers of ours whom buy SQL, Windows Servers etc and
I state this as it's easy to demonise us as the bad guys, when in fact we
have investment in the success and failures of Coldfusion (both obviously).
We've also recently via Expression Web opened our tool(s) offering to
support PHP, so in the end it's not a clear cut and dry - us or them,
mentality.

Like I stated, you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the boys from the US at WebDU, put
together your draft plan on how to change the world, one CF step at a time
and approach them. Tim is by far the most approachable Adobe Staffer I know,
and if you calmly state your case(s) on how you could change the "perception
of community decomposition" with an action plan, I'd wager he'd look into
ways of supporting it.

I wouldn't recommend doing this alone, you will fail.

Scott.
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Ricardo Russon
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But as a developer, why is it my job to promote coldfusion?
>
> Short answer: it's not.
>
> Long answer: many people feel that if ColdFusion were more popular and
> widespread, they'd have better job security/job prospects etc. We like
> coding in ColdFusion so we would like this to happen. ColdFusion's
> success is our success. So to help ColdFusion compete with .NET (which
> has MS behind it, with far more resources than Adobe) and PHP/Ruby
> (which have large proactive open source communities behind them), many
> people in the CF community feel they that by helping Adobe, we are
> helping ourselves.
>
> --
> Kay Smoljak
> business: www.cleverstarfish.com
> coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com
> personal: goatlady.wordpress.com | heapsbad.com
>
> >
>


-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[CyberAngel]

Scott.

 

So glad that was with a lot of smilesJ

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 11:12 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?

 

We luv Geoff.. he's been the rock for CF Community for a decade (who here
feels old at the decade remark). I think all should give it up for Geoff
Bowers, as CF-life-time achievement award (seriously, he deserves a trophy
or something) :)

I'm fed-exing you a hug Geoff :)

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Apr 9, 9:46 pm, "CyberAngel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Geoff, Mark and a few others are always doing presentations
on
> Coldfusion related products.

In recent years I've been talking about:

Taming the Code (and other code management topics)
Taming the Client (and other client management topics)
Igniting Your Community (and other open source evangelism)
The future of the web (crazy, eh :)
(plus of course all things CF and FarCry)

I attend venues such as web standards group, webJam and others more
frequently than I do CFUGs. Regardless of the topic my code examples
are nearly always CF related -- and why not?  Just about any developer
can understand CF constructs.

(btw anyone wants me to turn up somewhere and talk I'll do my best to
oblige).

I do this because I'm interested in these sorts of things, and hope
that other people might be interested too.  It's certainly not because
I feel any overriding need to preach ColdFusion to people -- although
I do enjoy giving a good CF sermon whenever I get a chance :)

I love programming in ColdFusion -- it's just so powerful.  I rarely,
if ever, think of the demise of CF.  It always seems like a silly
topic to me.  If it ever happens we'll just move, albeit with much
regret, to something else.  But for now it's a most elegant solution,
which can be turned to just about any web project both big and small.
I use it because it continues to be the best choice for my company and
clients.

My advice?  Keep building great things.  Keep building them on time.
Keep exceeding expectations.

That may sound like a glib statement -- but its hard for management to
face down a team that enjoys their tools and continues to produce
working solutions.

All the best,

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/




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[cfaussie] Re: VPS recommendations?

[charlie arehart]

Michael, besides some of the other CF-oriented hosts people have mentioned,
I'll point out as well that hosting alternatives is one the categories in my
list of 400+ tools and resources of interest to CFers:

http://www.carehart.org/resourcelists/tools_to_consider/index.cfm#cfhost

I didn't mention it at first since I sensed you wanted to hear from those
who'd actually used one they'd recommend, and you gave some specific
requirements. I've not used these all, but since you're open to any
suggestions I thought I'd pass it along.

/charlie


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Of michael sharman
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:53 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] VPS recommendations?


Hi guys,

I'm in the market for a VPS provider. Can anyone recommend a mid-level
package that they've had good experience with?

Basic requirements
---

OS: Can be either Windows (I'll be using Apache anyway) or Linux
Location: Sydney is ideal but price *is* an issue so happy and willing
to go overseas
RAM: 1GB+
Disk space: 40GB+
Bandwidth: 100GB+

Basically I'll be running ColdFusion (possibly multi instance), MySQL
and a mail server, but the machine won't be sending a tonne of email.

I've found a lot of plans which offer a whopping 256MB RAM for $100
per month! Wow thanks, can I operate a browser with that too? Man I'm
going into the hosting biz :)



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[cfaussie] Re: rocketunit, and the cfmeetup (was RE: [cfaussie] cfpdf action="merge" - CF 8 Update 1)

[charlie arehart]

That's great, Robin. Thanks. You can pick the date/time you prefer. We meet
on Thursdays, and as I said I'm open to moving the meeting time around the
clock to make things easier for folks around the world. Next week is taken
but after that is open. If you wanted to pick a date and time, recall my
proposal to have times of 7a, 12p, 6p, and 11p EDT, changing each week of
the month (which you can compare to where you may be via
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html). If you're flexible on
the date, pick a time and we can work you into that rotation. If 7a works
for you, we could have you be the first of the new times, perhaps even
starting May 1.

 

BTW, I'm having this conversation via the list rather than one on one to
perhaps catch anyone else who may be interested in presenting. Any CF topic
is welcome, beginner to expert. No previous presenting experience necessary.
:-)

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:06 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: rocketunit, and the cfmeetup (was RE: [cfaussie]
cfpdf action="merge" - CF 8 Update 1)

 

So Robin, would you be interested in offering a talk on it at a meeting of
the Online ColdFusion Meetup (coldfusionmeetup.com)? I'd welcome having you.
We've had talks recently on MXUnit and CFCUnit. Given your assertion of how
much easier it is, it may be greatly appreciated by many.

 

Love to, let me know when.  Anything we can do to promote test driven
development is a good thing - that's why I wrote it in the first place.

 

Robin

 


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[charlie arehart]

Again, not trying to pick a fight (or let me put it more plainly: please
don't jump on me about this Scott), but I do want to offer another
clarification. Scott writes, "you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the boys from the 
US at
WebDU, put together your draft plan on how to change the world, one CF step
at a time and approach them".

 

In case it helps anyone seeking to approach the team at WebDU, first know
that Tim is no longer on the CF team, having moved to Flex. Maybe, indeed
Scott knew that, but he mentioned it in the context of CF, so I'm offering
this to help, not to chide. Tim was indeed the CF product manager for a few
years, but that he left that role in 2006 and Jason Delmore took it. Tim
then returned later that year to become CF Product Marketing manager, but he
left last year for the Flex team, and Kristen Schofield took his role, which
also means it's no longer just "the boys". :-) 

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:09 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?

 

RE: Kay;s comment - compete with .NET (which has MS behind it, with far more
resources than Adobe) 

 

Actually a lot of the compete concern doesn't derive from Microsoft itself,
your actual real competitors are the partners / customers of .NET
technology. Microsoft market .NET in a plethora of ways, we specifically
don't actively compete with Coldfusion all that much. In that in the end,
folks here also are customers of ours whom buy SQL, Windows Servers etc and
I state this as it's easy to demonise us as the bad guys, when in fact we
have investment in the success and failures of Coldfusion (both obviously).
We've also recently via Expression Web opened our tool(s) offering to
support PHP, so in the end it's not a clear cut and dry - us or them,
mentality.

 

Like I stated, you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the boys from the US at WebDU, put
together your draft plan on how to change the world, one CF step at a time
and approach them. Tim is by far the most approachable Adobe Staffer I know,
and if you calmly state your case(s) on how you could change the "perception
of community decomposition" with an action plan, I'd wager he'd look into
ways of supporting it.

 

I wouldn't recommend doing this alone, you will fail. 


Scott.


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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[charlie arehart]

Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or above, take
a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting at
the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if your
problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd propose
that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's
worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
value.

Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on CF8
Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let you
generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running in a
page that seems stuck.

/charlie

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie


Hi Everyone,

I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
understand yet.

My current problem is performance.

I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.

Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
load on the production machine.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
10, then bang! Hangtime!

The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
they are causing the problem.

I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of caching
issue? And how best can I debug this?

Any advice greatly welcome,

Lucien.



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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[CyberAngel]

Charlie.

I was under the impression that the monitor was also in the standard
edition? 




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Of charlie arehart
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 7:22 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie


Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or above, take
a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting at
the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if your
problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd propose
that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's
worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
value.

Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on CF8
Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let you
generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running in a
page that seems stuck.

/charlie

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie


Hi Everyone,

I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
understand yet.

My current problem is performance.

I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.

Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
load on the production machine.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
10, then bang! Hangtime!

The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
they are causing the problem.

I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of caching
issue? And how best can I debug this?

Any advice greatly welcome,

Lucien.





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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[CyberAngel]

Let me take that back, I forgot I am in developer mode :-)



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Charlie.

I was under the impression that the monitor was also in the standard
edition? 




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Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 7:22 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie


Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or above, take
a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting at
the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if your
problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd propose
that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's
worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
value.

Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on CF8
Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let you
generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running in a
page that seems stuck.

/charlie

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie


Hi Everyone,

I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
understand yet.

My current problem is performance.

I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.

Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
load on the production machine.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
10, then bang! Hangtime!

The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
they are causing the problem.

I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of caching
issue? And how best can I debug this?

Any advice greatly welcome,

Lucien.





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[cfaussie] Re: VPS recommendations?

[KC Kuok]

That is one awesome list charlie... there should be a permalink to
that on the boards i reckon...

On Apr 15, 6:57 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Michael, besides some of the other CF-oriented hosts people have mentioned,
> I'll point out as well that hosting alternatives is one the categories in my
> list of 400+ tools and resources of interest to CFers:
>
> http://www.carehart.org/resourcelists/tools_to_consider/index.cfm#cfhost
>
> I didn't mention it at first since I sensed you wanted to hear from those
> who'd actually used one they'd recommend, and you gave some specific
> requirements. I've not used these all, but since you're open to any
> suggestions I thought I'd pass it along.
>
> /charlie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> Of michael sharman
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:53 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] VPS recommendations?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm in the market for a VPS provider. Can anyone recommend a mid-level
> package that they've had good experience with?
>
> Basic requirements
> ---
>
> OS: Can be either Windows (I'll be using Apache anyway) or Linux
> Location: Sydney is ideal but price *is* an issue so happy and willing
> to go overseas
> RAM: 1GB+
> Disk space: 40GB+
> Bandwidth: 100GB+
>
> Basically I'll be running ColdFusion (possibly multi instance), MySQL
> and a mail server, but the machine won't be sending a tonne of email.
>
> I've found a lot of plans which offer a whopping 256MB RAM for $100
> per month! Wow thanks, can I operate a browser with that too? Man I'm
> going into the hosting biz :)
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

Anyway, allow me to retort:

Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You could
furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting.

Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.





On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:07 AM, charlie arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Again, not trying to pick a fight (or let me put it more plainly: please
> don't jump on me about this Scott), but I do want to offer another
> clarification. Scott writes, "you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the boys from 
> the US
> at WebDU, put together your draft plan on how to change the world, one CF
> step at a time and approach them".
>
>
>
> In case it helps anyone seeking to approach the team at WebDU, first know
> that Tim is no longer on the CF team, having moved to Flex. Maybe, indeed
> Scott knew that, but he mentioned it in the context of CF, so I'm offering
> this to help, not to chide. Tim was indeed the CF product manager for a few
> years, but that he left that role in 2006 and Jason Delmore took it. Tim
> then returned later that year to become CF Product Marketing manager, but he
> left last year for the Flex team, and Kristen Schofield took his role, which
> also means it's no longer just "the boys". :-)
>
>
>
> /charlie
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2008 9:09 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
> FUD from them too?
>
>
>
>  *RE: Kay;s comment - compete with .NET (which has MS behind it, with far
> more resources than Adobe) *
>
>
>
> Actually a lot of the compete concern doesn't derive from Microsoft
> itself, your actual real competitors are the partners / customers of .NET
> technology. Microsoft market .NET in a plethora of ways, we specifically
> don't actively compete with Coldfusion all that much. In that in the end,
> folks here also are customers of ours whom buy SQL, Windows Servers etc and
> I state this as it's easy to demonise us as the bad guys, when in fact we
> have investment in the success and failures of Coldfusion (both obviously).
> We've also recently via Expression Web opened our tool(s) offering to
> support PHP, so in the end it's not a clear cut and dry - us or them,
> mentality.
>
>
>
> Like I stated, you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the boys from the US at WebDU, 
> put
> together your draft plan on how to change the world, one CF step at a time
> and approach them. Tim is by far the most approachable Adobe Staffer I know,
> and if you calmly state your case(s) on how you could change the "perception
> of community decomposition" with an action plan, I'd wager he'd look into
> ways of supporting it.
>
>
>
> I wouldn't recommend doing this alone, you will fail.
>
>
> Scott.
>
> >
>


-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com

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[cfaussie] SQL datetime functions question (SQLServer)

[barry.b]

for a report I'm needing to query on records before midnight of today
(ie tonight)

(SQLServer dateTime field, values stored as date time down to seconds)

I can cheat and have this CF code in my WHERE clause

dateadd("d", 1, LSParseDateTime(LSDateFormat(now(),"dd/mm/")))

but to be honest it's a hack (converting now() to a string which gives
me 00.00.00 time and then converting back to a dateTime object then
add a day to get to midnight tonight).

can anyone suggest an SQL way of doing the same, perhaps using
variations on getDate()? I can think of something nasty and convoluted
with lots of datePart() and DateAdd() SQL functions to calculate and
add/subtract hours/minutes/seconds from now but nothing clean

thanks
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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[charlie arehart]

Yep, it's only in Enterprise or the Developer edition.

But that's where folks on Standard (or 6 or 7) can look at FusionReactor
(fusion-reactor.com) or SeeFusion (seefusion.com).

For any interested in exploring the CF8 Monitor, I've done a 4 part series
on it, which introduces all sorts of hidden gems--which I'll also be
offering as a talk at cf.Objective(). The articles start at
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/monitoring_pt1.html.

I should add that I'm just as big a fan of FusionReactor and have an article
on FR 3 (and introducing FR in general) in the next issue of the FAQU. I
also teach classes on it and help the makers (Intergral) with consulting in
helping people use it. I've also used SeeFusion before that.

If I can ever help anyone with any of the monitors, feel free to contact me
off-list (charlie at carehart.org).

/charlie


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Of CyberAngel
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:48 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie


Let me take that back, I forgot I am in developer mode :-)



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Charlie.

I was under the impression that the monitor was also in the standard
edition? 



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[cfaussie] Re: VPS recommendations?

[charlie arehart]

Thanks, KC. 

It's hard to get the community to know widely about such a thing, let alone
remember it. Anything anyone could do to point it out to folks would be a
help to many (not just those looking for the info, but also those always
having to come up with such resources when asked about them on various
mailing lists.)

/charlie


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Of KC Kuok
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:26 PM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VPS recommendations?


That is one awesome list charlie... there should be a permalink to
that on the boards i reckon...

On Apr 15, 6:57 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Michael, besides some of the other CF-oriented hosts people have
mentioned,
> I'll point out as well that hosting alternatives is one the categories in
my
> list of 400+ tools and resources of interest to CFers:
>
> http://www.carehart.org/resourcelists/tools_to_consider/index.cfm#cfhost
>
> I didn't mention it at first since I sensed you wanted to hear from those
> who'd actually used one they'd recommend, and you gave some specific
> requirements. I've not used these all, but since you're open to any
> suggestions I thought I'd pass it along.
>
> /charlie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
>
> Of michael sharman
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:53 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] VPS recommendations?
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm in the market for a VPS provider. Can anyone recommend a mid-level
> package that they've had good experience with?
>
> Basic requirements
> ---
>
> OS: Can be either Windows (I'll be using Apache anyway) or Linux
> Location: Sydney is ideal but price *is* an issue so happy and willing
> to go overseas
> RAM: 1GB+
> Disk space: 40GB+
> Bandwidth: 100GB+
>
> Basically I'll be running ColdFusion (possibly multi instance), MySQL
> and a mail server, but the machine won't be sending a tonne of email.
>
> I've found a lot of plans which offer a whopping 256MB RAM for $100
> per month! Wow thanks, can I operate a browser with that too? Man I'm
> going into the hosting biz :)



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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[charlie arehart]

"Knock it off?" 

 

Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something you say
without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel? 

 

I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the emotional/ego
investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak up on
this? Am I coming across the wrong way?

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?

 

Anyway, allow me to retort:

 

Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You could
furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting. 

 

Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.

 

 


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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[nedlud]

Thanks everyone.

I *think* we are using CF6. I know the sys admin is experimenting with
CF8 with a view to rolling it out sometime soon, but it's not
available to me currently.

OS is RH ("Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6)"
says the server). Single CPU on the dev machine, and two on
production. When I asked the sys admin, he said we were using whatever
version of Java that ships with CF. He thought it was either 1.3 or
1.4. Java -version on the dev machine reports it's running 1.4.2.

These are things I don't have much control over. The Web department,
where I am, is not part of the IT department who run and maintain our
servers. I have spoken to the sys admin who hand balled it back to me
saying I should check my code since he thought the server was running
just fine.

Showing the execution time in the debugger shows that the fusebox
framework (fbx_fusebox30_CF50_nix.cfm") is one of the biggest hogs. It
also reports a layout template that runs for every page served.
Neither of these files are unique to my app.

But I'll check out the tools mentioed here and see where they get me.

Thanks again everyone.

Lucien.


On Apr 15, 7:21 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or above, take
> a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting at
> the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if your
> problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd propose
> that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
> repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's
> worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
> value.
>
> Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
> FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on CF8
> Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let you
> generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running in a
> page that seems stuck.
>
> /charlie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> Of nedlud
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
> been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
> understand yet.
>
> My current problem is performance.
>
> I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
> queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
> confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
> logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.
>
> Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
> just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
> behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
> I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
> there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
> debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
> execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
> comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
> 10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
> load on the production machine.
>
> I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
> lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
> reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
> sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
> 10, then bang! Hangtime!
>
> The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
> every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
> session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
> they are causing the problem.
>
> I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
> of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of caching
> issue? And how best can I debug this?
>
> Any advice greatly welcome,
>
> Lucien.
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Detect]

No Charlie it's not you.

Scott, why don't you knock it off? You aren't really contributing
anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
how to change the world, one CF step at a time
and approach them" are ridiculous.

I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
strategies for Adobe. I'd like to concentrate on developing and if CF
did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
everyone else would. End of story.




On Apr 15, 9:08 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Knock it off?"
>
> Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something you say
> without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel?
>
> I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the emotional/ego
> investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak up on
> this? Am I coming across the wrong way?
>
> /charlie
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
> from them too?
>
> Anyway, allow me to retort:
>
> Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
> have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You could
> furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
> given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting.
>
> Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
> doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Ricardo Russon]

I started learning CF way back in 4.5.

I have managed to make money from it in some shape or form since then.

I love CF, and like everyone else here I will always choose it over ASP or
PHP : given the choice.

But, the niche serves us well. It gives us a specilised skill. And it also
means that we have greater choice for job prospects.

I say that because dont believe "CF is on the way out". And I dont believe
that if Adobe wants to keep/market their product as a niche specialised
product that we should be trying to change that. Especially when it is
serving all us well in its current form.

And I think anyone who believes that the best way to secure their future is
to evangelise someone else's product (without being paid), are only doing
themselves harm.

Ricardo.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Short answer: it's not.
>
> Long answer: many people feel that if ColdFusion were more popular and
> widespread, they'd have better job security/job prospects etc.

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[cfaussie] Re: Schedule tasks in CF8 Cluster

[George Lu]

Thanks, I see. But if you have a task runs daily how can you spread it into
two instances?

On 14/04/2008, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you can.
>
> We did this so that if instance 1 dies, the task will at least get run 3
> times an hour
>
> it also spreads the work around - would be more significant for processes
> that thumped the server and run more frequently.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well, why can't you just run the task in instance 1 only (don't run it
> > in all other instances) every 15 mins?
> >
> > On 11/04/2008, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > If you schedule them for same time, they will both fire off at the
> > > same time - can your script handle two simultaneous calls?
> > >
> > > We have four instances and a task we want run every 15 minutes
> > > So instance 1 runs at 00
> > >  instance 2 runs at 15
> > >  instance 3 runs at 30
> > >  instance 4 runs at 45
> > >
> > > Think of each instance as a separate CF server
> > > Even though they may share the same code
> > > they each have their own APPLICATION scope
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:32 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've got two instances (instance1 & 2) in a cluster on a CF8 server.
> > > > My question is should I enable schedule tasks in both instances or just 
> > > > one
> > > > of instances?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > AJ Mercer
> > > Web Log: http://webonix.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> AJ Mercer
> Web Log: http://webonix.net
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Schedule tasks in CF8 Cluster

[Andrew Scott]

George,

 

Let me ask you one question, and this is only to help both of us understand
the situation.

 

Is the scheduled task that you need to run, server dependant? The reason I
ask, is that I can' think of any reason why you would not use the last
server in your cluster to run the scheduled task. Having said that, if it is
to email, or update the database or something in that nature.

 

Why would you want to run it on all instances?

 

Is there a more specific reason that you want to run the same schedule 2 or
more times?

 

I am yet to work in a cluster, but I am not sure that I would want to do
what you trying to do. But you may have a very good reason for wanting too.

 

 

Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  9015 8628
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of George Lu
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 9:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Schedule tasks in CF8 Cluster

 

Thanks, I see. But if you have a task runs daily how can you spread it into
two instances?

On 14/04/2008, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

you can.

We did this so that if instance 1 dies, the task will at least get run 3
times an hour

it also spreads the work around - would be more significant for processes
that thumped the server and run more frequently.





On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, why can't you just run the task in instance 1 only (don't run it in
all other instances) every 15 mins? 

On 11/04/2008, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you schedule them for same time, they will both fire off at the same time
- can your script handle two simultaneous calls?

We have four instances and a task we want run every 15 minutes
So instance 1 runs at 00
 instance 2 runs at 15
 instance 3 runs at 30
 instance 4 runs at 45

Think of each instance as a separate CF server
Even though they may share the same code
they each have their own APPLICATION scope





On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:32 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've got two instances (instance1 & 2) in a cluster on a CF8 server. My
question is should I enable schedule tasks in both instances or just one of
instances?

Regards,
George







-- 


AJ Mercer
Web Log: http://webonix.net

 

 




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[cfaussie] Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[Joel Cass]

Try this:

 



#round(000 EQ "000A")#

#round(000 EQ "000A")#

#round("000A" EQ "012A")#

#round("000P" EQ "012P")#



 

...Very interesting results.

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[cfaussie] Re: Schedule tasks in CF8 Cluster

[George Lu]

Andrew,

Well, as AJ said, to spread the work load between instances. And better for
those tasks run repeatedly on the same day.

On 15/04/2008, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  George,
>
>
>
> Let me ask you one question, and this is only to help both of us
> understand the situation.
>
>
>
> Is the scheduled task that you need to run, server dependant? The reason I
> ask, is that I can' think of any reason why you would not use the last
> server in your cluster to run the scheduled task. Having said that, if it is
> to email, or update the database or something in that nature.
>
>
>
> Why would you want to run it on all instances?
>
>
>
> Is there a more specific reason that you want to run the same schedule 2
> or more times?
>
>
>
> I am yet to work in a cluster, but I am not sure that I would want to do
> what you trying to do. But you may have a very good reason for wanting too.
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  9015 8628
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *George Lu
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 April 2008 9:48 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Schedule tasks in CF8 Cluster
>
>
>
> Thanks, I see. But if you have a task runs daily how can you spread it
> into two instances?
>
> On 14/04/2008, *AJ Mercer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you can.
>
> We did this so that if instance 1 dies, the task will at least get run 3
> times an hour
>
> it also spreads the work around - would be more significant for processes
> that thumped the server and run more frequently.
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, why can't you just run the task in instance 1 only (don't run it in
> all other instances) every 15 mins?
>
> On 11/04/2008, *AJ Mercer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  If you schedule them for same time, they will both fire off at the same
> time - can your script handle two simultaneous calls?
>
> We have four instances and a task we want run every 15 minutes
> So instance 1 runs at 00
>  instance 2 runs at 15
>  instance 3 runs at 30
>  instance 4 runs at 45
>
> Think of each instance as a separate CF server
> Even though they may share the same code
> they each have their own APPLICATION scope
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:32 PM, George Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've got two instances (instance1 & 2) in a cluster on a CF8 server. My
> question is should I enable schedule tasks in both instances or just one of
> instances?
>
> Regards,
> George
>
>
>
>  --
>
>
> AJ Mercer
> Web Log: http://webonix.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> AJ Mercer
> Web Log: http://webonix.net
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[Phil Haeusler]

An oldie, but a goodie. You're left scatching your head until you work out 
the following


#isDate("000A")# 
#isDate("012A")# 
#isDate("000P")# 
#isDate("012P")#


CF's wonderful automatic date conversions 
phil

#round(000 EQ "000A")#
#round(000 EQ "000A")#
#round("000A" EQ "012A")#
#round("000P" EQ "012P")#


...Very interesting results.
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[cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[Mark Ireland]

If you enjoy this kind of puzzle here is a real world example I found myself 
swearing at:

a cfswitch with cfcase values 
3
3a
3b
.
3f

Subject: [cfaussie] Just in case anyone's feeling bored...
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:58:02 +1000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
















Try this:

 



#round(000 EQ “000A”)#

#round(000 EQ "000A")#

#round("000A" EQ
"012A")#

#round("000P" EQ
"012P")#



 

…Very interesting results.



Joel Cass Developer

Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation

t +61 2 9299 9462 f +61 2 9299 9463 m 0414
688 774 www.gruden.com 














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[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne this month (April)?

[Peter Robertson]

Is there a Melbourne CFUG this month?  If so can the details be posted
please?  Would anyone like my help in getting Melb CFUGs publicised on
the appropriate boards/lists/etc?

Cheers


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

Sorry it was a joke ;) hehehe.. I guess i should of added a :)  at the
end..

defensive much.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:08 AM, charlie arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  "Knock it off?"
>
>
>
> Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something you say
> without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel?
>
>
>
> I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the emotional/ego
> investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak up on
> this? Am I coming across the wrong way?
>
>
>
> /charlie
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
> FUD from them too?
>
>
>
> Anyway, allow me to retort:
>
>
>
> Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
> have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You could
> furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
> given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting.
>
>
>
> Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
> doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

bite me whomever you are "detect" :)

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> No Charlie it's not you.
>
> Scott, why don't you knock it off? You aren't really contributing
> anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
> how to change the world, one CF step at a time
> and approach them" are ridiculous.
>
> I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
> strategies for Adobe. I'd like to concentrate on developing and if CF
> did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
> everyone else would. End of story.
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 9:08 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>  > "Knock it off?"
> >
> > Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something you
> say
> > without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel?
> >
> > I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the
> emotional/ego
> > investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak up on
> > this? Am I coming across the wrong way?
> >
> > /charlie
> >
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > Of Scott Barnes
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
> FUD
> > from them too?
> >
> > Anyway, allow me to retort:
> >
> > Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
> > have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You
> could
> > furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
> > given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting.
> >
> > Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
> > doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.
> >
>


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Regards,
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[cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[Joel Cass]

Or 

 

CreateTimeSpan(0,1,0,0) EQ "001A"

 

...had some strange validation issues with a form recently. 

 

This was exactly the problem. User was entering "000A" into a numeric
field, which should have caused a validation error to appear. 

 

CF parsed it as numeric and but when it got to the DB --> exception.

 



From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Phil Haeusler
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 10:20 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

 

An oldie, but a goodie. You're left scatching your head until you work
out the following

 



#isDate("000A")# 

#isDate("012A")# 

#isDate("000P")# 

#isDate("012P")#



 

CF's wonderful automatic date conversions 

phil



#round(000 EQ "000A")#

#round(000 EQ "000A")#

#round("000A" EQ "012A")#

#round("000P" EQ "012P")#



 

...Very interesting results.

Joel Cass Developer

Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation
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www.gruden.com   

 





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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Detect]

Sorry I also was missing my emoticons, I actually meant:

Scott, why don't you knock it off? \o/ You aren't really contributing
anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
how to change the world, one CF step at a time and approach them" are
ridiculous. :)

I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
strategies for Adobe. :O I'd like to concentrate on developing and if
CF did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
everyone else would. End of story. (-_-) zzZZ





On Apr 15, 10:36 am, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> bite me whomever you are "detect" :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > No Charlie it's not you.
>
> > Scott, why don't you knock it off? You aren't really contributing
> > anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
> > how to change the world, one CF step at a time
> > and approach them" are ridiculous.
>
> > I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
> > strategies for Adobe. I'd like to concentrate on developing and if CF
> > did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
> > everyone else would. End of story.
>
> > On Apr 15, 9:08 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >  > "Knock it off?"
>
> > > Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something you
> > say
> > > without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel?
>
> > > I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the
> > emotional/ego
> > > investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak up on
> > > this? Am I coming across the wrong way?
>
> > > /charlie
>
> > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Scott Barnes
> > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
> > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
> > FUD
> > > from them too?
>
> > > Anyway, allow me to retort:
>
> > > Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most folks
> > > have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You
> > could
> > > furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to mind
> > > given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such meeting.
>
> > > Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean he/show
> > > doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Scott Barnes]

You win.. we done now?

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Sorry I also was missing my emoticons, I actually meant:
>
> Scott, why don't you knock it off? \o/ You aren't really contributing
> anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
> how to change the world, one CF step at a time and approach them" are
> ridiculous. :)
>
> I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
> strategies for Adobe. :O I'd like to concentrate on developing and if
> CF did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
> everyone else would. End of story. (-_-) zzZZ
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 10:36 am, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > bite me whomever you are "detect" :)
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > No Charlie it's not you.
> >
> > > Scott, why don't you knock it off? You aren't really contributing
> > > anything new here and statements like "put together your draft plan on
> > > how to change the world, one CF step at a time
> > > and approach them" are ridiculous.
> >
> > > I don't give a toss about "product evangelizing" or coming up with
> > > strategies for Adobe. I'd like to concentrate on developing and if CF
> > > did die (which it won't) I'd move on to something else just like
> > > everyone else would. End of story.
> >
> > > On Apr 15, 9:08 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >  > "Knock it off?"
> >
> > > > Goodness, Scott, why can't someone offer a correction to something
> you
> > > say
> > > > without it seeming to be tantamount to a request for a duel?
> >
> > > > I'm, as always, just trying to help folks. I don't have the
> > > emotional/ego
> > > > investment that it seems you think I do. Anyone else want to speak
> up on
> > > > this? Am I coming across the wrong way?
> >
> > > > /charlie
> >
> > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Scott Barnes
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:43 PM
> > > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS!
> not
> > > FUD
> > > > from them too?
> >
> > > > Anyway, allow me to retort:
> >
> > > > Correct, Firstly, Tim is arriving NOT Jason/Kristen. Secondly most
> folks
> > > > have an EXISTING relationship with Tim via previous WebDU's etc. You
> > > could
> > > > furthermore use others to champion that cause, but Tim does come to
> mind
> > > > given the prev experience in the role and the intent of such
> meeting.
> >
> > > > Just because a person moves around Product Teams doesn't mean
> he/show
> > > > doesn't know the lay of the land :). Again Charlie, knock it off.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com
>  >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: SQL datetime functions question (SQLServer)

[Steve Onnis]

How about

dateAdd(d, 1, CONVERT(DATETIME, YEAR(getDate()) + '-' + Month(getDate()) +
'-' + Day(getDate(

Because you are creating the date manually it automatically goes to midnight

Steve



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Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 8:56 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] SQL datetime functions question (SQLServer)


for a report I'm needing to query on records before midnight of today (ie
tonight)

(SQLServer dateTime field, values stored as date time down to seconds)

I can cheat and have this CF code in my WHERE clause

dateadd("d", 1, LSParseDateTime(LSDateFormat(now(),"dd/mm/")))

but to be honest it's a hack (converting now() to a string which gives me
00.00.00 time and then converting back to a dateTime object then add a day
to get to midnight tonight).

can anyone suggest an SQL way of doing the same, perhaps using variations on
getDate()? I can think of something nasty and convoluted with lots of
datePart() and DateAdd() SQL functions to calculate and add/subtract
hours/minutes/seconds from now but nothing clean

thanks
b




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[cfaussie] OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Mike Kear]

Sorry for posting this off topic - reply off list i guess please to
minimise the off topic traffic ...

I'm going to NZ for a week next week to stay with my mother who's not
well, but i need to stay in touch and need to keep working.  She
doesnt have internet connection so i need to get myself connected
somehow.

I can take out a dialup account for a month, and use her phone line
but is there a decent way to get broadband speed for a week in NZ?

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Windsor, NSW, Australia
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[cfaussie] Re: SQL datetime functions question (SQLServer)

[barry.b]

cool. that's what I'm after: something not too ugly and convoluted.

many thanx, Steve.

b



On Apr 15, 11:23 am, "Steve Onnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about
>
> dateAdd(d, 1, CONVERT(DATETIME, YEAR(getDate()) + '-' + Month(getDate()) +
> '-' + Day(getDate(
>
> Because you are creating the date manually it automatically goes to midnight
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> Of barry.b
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 8:56 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] SQL datetime functions question (SQLServer)
>
> for a report I'm needing to query on records before midnight of today (ie
> tonight)
>
> (SQLServer dateTime field, values stored as date time down to seconds)
>
> I can cheat and have this CF code in my WHERE clause
>
> dateadd("d", 1, LSParseDateTime(LSDateFormat(now(),"dd/mm/")))
>
> but to be honest it's a hack (converting now() to a string which gives me
> 00.00.00 time and then converting back to a dateTime object then add a day
> to get to midnight tonight).
>
> can anyone suggest an SQL way of doing the same, perhaps using variations on
> getDate()? I can think of something nasty and convoluted with lots of
> datePart() and DateAdd() SQL functions to calculate and add/subtract
> hours/minutes/seconds from now but nothing clean
>
> thanks
> b- Hide quoted text -
>
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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Kai Koenig]

Hi Mike,

Vodafone and Telecom both have 3G mobile bb and USB devices, but not 
aware if you could rent those for a few days. If you're in Wellington
there's CafeNet - pretty much inner-city WLAN wide coverage for 10$
a day. Also there's Woosh Wireless but again I'm not aware of any
rental offer.

Cheers,
Kai


>Sorry for posting this off topic - reply off list i guess please to
>minimise the off topic traffic ...
>
>I'm going to NZ for a week next week to stay with my mother who's not
>well, but i need to stay in touch and need to keep working.  She
>doesnt have internet connection so i need to get myself connected
>somehow.
>
>I can take out a dialup account for a month, and use her phone line
>but is there a decent way to get broadband speed for a week in NZ?
>



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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Steve Onnis]

Maybe take out a wireless broadband account?  Some of them have a month
trial thing.  Just you would have to get a modem that's all, and if you go
over the month then that's another issue I guess.  I got a wireless account
and it has certainly helped me out in a few cases, like even now.  Still
waiting for my ADSL to get hooked up.  If I didn't have my wireless I would
be stuffed. 

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Of Mike Kear
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 11:29 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Broadband in NZ for short term


Sorry for posting this off topic - reply off list i guess please to minimise
the off topic traffic ...

I'm going to NZ for a week next week to stay with my mother who's not well,
but i need to stay in touch and need to keep working.  She doesnt have
internet connection so i need to get myself connected somehow.

I can take out a dialup account for a month, and use her phone line but is
there a decent way to get broadband speed for a week in NZ?

--
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from
AUD$15/month





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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[nedlud]

I was just talking to the sysadmin again, but that's left me more
confused than I was before.

Reading the Macromedia book on CFmx, the chapter on performance says
that enabling "Trusted Cache" on production can make it faster. The
sys admin is saying that this cahce only stores compiled class files.
I had assumed the cahce was for storing HTTP responses which had
already been generated by the class files.

Can anyone offer some clarification on this?

I thought I could get by just being a programminer. Seems I need to
learn a lot more about the inner workings of the CF server. There's
that learning curve again :)

Lucien.


On Apr 15, 9:31 am, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks everyone.
>
> I *think* we are using CF6. I know the sys admin is experimenting with
> CF8 with a view to rolling it out sometime soon, but it's not
> available to me currently.
>
> OS is RH ("Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6)"
> says the server). Single CPU on the dev machine, and two on
> production. When I asked the sys admin, he said we were using whatever
> version of Java that ships with CF. He thought it was either 1.3 or
> 1.4. Java -version on the dev machine reports it's running 1.4.2.
>
> These are things I don't have much control over. The Web department,
> where I am, is not part of the IT department who run and maintain our
> servers. I have spoken to the sys admin who hand balled it back to me
> saying I should check my code since he thought the server was running
> just fine.
>
> Showing the execution time in the debugger shows that the fusebox
> framework (fbx_fusebox30_CF50_nix.cfm") is one of the biggest hogs. It
> also reports a layout template that runs for every page served.
> Neither of these files are unique to my app.
>
> But I'll check out the tools mentioed here and see where they get me.
>
> Thanks again everyone.
>
> Lucien.
>
> On Apr 15, 7:21 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or above, take
> > a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting at
> > the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if your
> > problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd propose
> > that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
> > repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's
> > worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
> > value.
>
> > Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
> > FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on CF8
> > Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let you
> > generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running in a
> > page that seems stuck.
>
> > /charlie
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> > Of nedlud
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
> > To: cfaussie
> > Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie
>
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
> > been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
> > understand yet.
>
> > My current problem is performance.
>
> > I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
> > queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
> > confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
> > logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.
>
> > Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, it
> > just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed this
> > behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. But then
> > I started looking at the dev server and the same problem could be seen
> > there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the Coldfusion Admins
> > debugging tools (execution times) on the dev machine, I get occasional
> > execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) ms on the dev machine. For
> > comparison, the app normaly runs in less than 100ms. The timeouts are
> > 10 times (or more) longer on production. I assume this is due to the
> > load on the production machine.
>
> > I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has
> > lead me to write some bad code. But I'm having trouble reliably
> > reproducing the effect on the server. I can click through the same
> > sequence of steps repeatedly, and have it run smoothy 9 times out of
> > 10, then bang! Hangtime!
>
> > The only common factor I can find is that it seems to happen about
> > every 100 - 110 seconds (a little less than every 2 minutes). The
> > session variables are set to time out in 20 minutes, so I don't think
> > they are causing the problem.
>
> > I need to go over my code with a fine tooth comb, but there's a part
> > of me that suspects the server. Could this be some kind of cachin

[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Mike Kear]

Does the wireless modem also work in Australia?  Obviously it would
make a lot more financial sense to buy a modem if i could use it when
i get back here.

In which case i could get a Telstra or Unwired modem here and take it
over with me.

Cheers
Mike Kear


On 4/15/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe take out a wireless broadband account?  Some of them have a month
> trial thing.  Just you would have to get a modem that's all, and if you go
> over the month then that's another issue I guess.  I got a wireless account
> and it has certainly helped me out in a few cases, like even now.  Still
> waiting for my ADSL to get hooked up.  If I didn't have my wireless I would
> be stuffed.
>
>

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Steve Onnis]

You can check the coverage on the websites 

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Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 12:08 PM
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Does the wireless modem also work in Australia?  Obviously it would make a
lot more financial sense to buy a modem if i could use it when i get back
here.

In which case i could get a Telstra or Unwired modem here and take it over
with me.

Cheers
Mike Kear


On 4/15/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe take out a wireless broadband account?  Some of them have a 
> month trial thing.  Just you would have to get a modem that's all, and 
> if you go over the month then that's another issue I guess.  I got a 
> wireless account and it has certainly helped me out in a few cases, 
> like even now.  Still waiting for my ADSL to get hooked up.  If I 
> didn't have my wireless I would be stuffed.
>
>

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from
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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Mike Kear]

Yes I know that - and in Palmerston North (former home of the great
John Clarke) there is coverage.

But i am asking if i bought an Australian telstra wireless modem or an
Unwired modem, would it work in NZ if i had the account and the
coverage.   i.e. do they have any different frequencies or anything?

(or the corollary of that - if i bought the modem in NZ, would i be
able to bring it home and use it on a Unwired or Telstra wireless
broadband account)

In other words would i be up for $300 odd for a 1 week use, or would
it have longer use back homem?

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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On 4/15/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> You can check the coverage on the websites
>

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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Steve Onnis]

That's right

The cache is there so that the CF server doesn't have to generate the class
files on each request.  Its not like a browser cache where its storing the
actual rendered output.

You can control how much cache there is also so maybe that is an issue?  The
slow responses are the ones where it is generating the class file again?

Steve 

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Of nedlud
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 12:04 PM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie


I was just talking to the sysadmin again, but that's left me more confused
than I was before.

Reading the Macromedia book on CFmx, the chapter on performance says that
enabling "Trusted Cache" on production can make it faster. The sys admin is
saying that this cahce only stores compiled class files.
I had assumed the cahce was for storing HTTP responses which had already
been generated by the class files.

Can anyone offer some clarification on this?

I thought I could get by just being a programminer. Seems I need to learn a
lot more about the inner workings of the CF server. There's that learning
curve again :)

Lucien.


On Apr 15, 9:31 am, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks everyone.
>
> I *think* we are using CF6. I know the sys admin is experimenting with
> CF8 with a view to rolling it out sometime soon, but it's not 
> available to me currently.
>
> OS is RH ("Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6)"
> says the server). Single CPU on the dev machine, and two on 
> production. When I asked the sys admin, he said we were using whatever 
> version of Java that ships with CF. He thought it was either 1.3 or 
> 1.4. Java -version on the dev machine reports it's running 1.4.2.
>
> These are things I don't have much control over. The Web department, 
> where I am, is not part of the IT department who run and maintain our 
> servers. I have spoken to the sys admin who hand balled it back to me 
> saying I should check my code since he thought the server was running 
> just fine.
>
> Showing the execution time in the debugger shows that the fusebox 
> framework (fbx_fusebox30_CF50_nix.cfm") is one of the biggest hogs. It 
> also reports a layout template that runs for every page served.
> Neither of these files are unique to my app.
>
> But I'll check out the tools mentioed here and see where they get me.
>
> Thanks again everyone.
>
> Lucien.
>
> On Apr 15, 7:21 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or 
> > above, take a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. 
> > There's a setting at the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 
> > hour 7 minutes, and if your problem of problems "every now and 
> > again" matched that interval, I'd propose that you had a problem 
> > with the client variable repository (or repositories). But you say 
> > it's " a little less than every 2 minutes". It's worth confirming 
> > that someone didn't change the purge interval to that value.
>
> > Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like 
> > FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on 
> > CF8 Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and 
> > let you generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code 
> > you're running in a page that seems stuck.
>
> > /charlie
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > On Behalf
>
> > Of nedlud
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
> > To: cfaussie
> > Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie
>
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months 
> > I've been in my current job, so there are many things that I just 
> > don't understand yet.
>
> > My current problem is performance.
>
> > I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few 
> > db queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should 
> > confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his 
> > logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.
>
> > Most of the time, the app runs smoothley. But every now and again, 
> > it just hangs for an extended period (30+ seconds). I only noticed 
> > this behaviour once I'd deployed the app to our production server. 
> > But then I started looking at the dev server and the same problem 
> > could be seen there, only on a smaller scale. When I run the 
> > Coldfusion Admins debugging tools (execution times) on the dev 
> > machine, I get occasional execution times of 400 to 1000 (or more) 
> > ms on the dev machine. For comparison, the app normaly runs in less 
> > than 100ms. The timeouts are 10 times (or more) longer on 
> > production. I assume this is due to the load on the production machine.
>
> > I'm perfectly willing to accept that my own inexperience with CF has 
> > lead me to write some bad code. But I'm

[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Geoff Bowers]

On Apr 15, 12:03 pm, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reading the Macromedia book on CFmx, the chapter on performance says
> that enabling "Trusted Cache" on production can make it faster. The
> sys admin is saying that this cahce only stores compiled class files.
> I had assumed the cahce was for storing HTTP responses which had
> already been generated by the class files.
>
> Can anyone offer some clarification on this?
>
> I thought I could get by just being a programmer. Seems I need to
> learn a lot more about the inner workings of the CF server. There's
> that learning curve again :)

If you want to sweep it all under the carpet -- ie. ignore the
fundamental problem, you could always add some in memory caching [1]
or write your HTML to disk [2].

Obviously these are a quick fix -- you may want to look more closely
at the fundamental problem even if this works for you.

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/

[1]: http://www.bpurcell.org/blog/index.cfm?entry=963&mode=entry
[2]: 
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_c_01.html

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[cfaussie] Re: frustrated CF newbie

[Kevin Pepperman]

I have several FB 3 apps running on some rather old P3 CF5 / Linux machines.
They see moderate traffic and some heavy peak activity.

When they were first set up, they saw very little traffic and never had any
issues.

After several months the traffic picked up on a couple of the sites ,and we
saw intermittent slowdowns and freezes like you have mentioned.
I remember it being very difficult to figure out where the slowdown was, but
the fusebox core files was not the issue.

We traced it down eventually to a couple of things:

The use of cfmodule calls to the core file calling fusebox recursively.
And the use of some (not all) custom tags for formatting text or HTML.

I would look through the layout files and the individual circuit files, and
see if they are building a header or navigation with a cfmodule call.

And see if there are any custom tags with poorly written looping code in
your display fuses.

If you find one, comment it out and try it again.

PS. in fusebox 3 there is no production / development mode. The core files
run on every request.

I hope this helps. Good Luck!







On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:03 PM, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I was just talking to the sysadmin again, but that's left me more
> confused than I was before.
>
> Reading the Macromedia book on CFmx, the chapter on performance says
> that enabling "Trusted Cache" on production can make it faster. The
> sys admin is saying that this cahce only stores compiled class files.
> I had assumed the cahce was for storing HTTP responses which had
> already been generated by the class files.
>
> Can anyone offer some clarification on this?
>
> I thought I could get by just being a programminer. Seems I need to
> learn a lot more about the inner workings of the CF server. There's
> that learning curve again :)
>
> Lucien.
>
>
> On Apr 15, 9:31 am, nedlud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks everyone.
> >
> > I *think* we are using CF6. I know the sys admin is experimenting with
> > CF8 with a view to rolling it out sometime soon, but it's not
> > available to me currently.
> >
> > OS is RH ("Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 6)"
> > says the server). Single CPU on the dev machine, and two on
> > production. When I asked the sys admin, he said we were using whatever
> > version of Java that ships with CF. He thought it was either 1.3 or
> > 1.4. Java -version on the dev machine reports it's running 1.4.2.
> >
> > These are things I don't have much control over. The Web department,
> > where I am, is not part of the IT department who run and maintain our
> > servers. I have spoken to the sys admin who hand balled it back to me
> > saying I should check my code since he thought the server was running
> > just fine.
> >
> > Showing the execution time in the debugger shows that the fusebox
> > framework (fbx_fusebox30_CF50_nix.cfm") is one of the biggest hogs. It
> > also reports a layout template that runs for every page served.
> > Neither of these files are unique to my app.
> >
> > But I'll check out the tools mentioed here and see where they get me.
> >
> > Thanks again everyone.
> >
> > Lucien.
> >
> > On Apr 15, 7:21 am, "charlie arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lucien, what version of CF are you running? Assuming it's CF7 or
> above, take
> > > a look at the Client Variables page in the CF Admin. There's a setting
> at
> > > the bottom for purge interval. The default is 1 hour 7 minutes, and if
> your
> > > problem of problems "every now and again" matched that interval, I'd
> propose
> > > that you had a problem with the client variable repository (or
> > > repositories). But you say it's " a little less than every 2 minutes".
> It's
> > > worth confirming that someone didn't change the purge interval to that
> > > value.
> >
> > > Beyond that, I'd say (like Geoff) that you check out a tool like
> > > FusionReactor or SeeFusion (or the Cf8 monitor if you're running on
> CF8
> > > Enterprise). Those let you view the running requests in CF, and let
> you
> > > generate a stack trace to see exactly what line of code you're running
> in a
> > > page that seems stuck.
> >
> > > /charlie
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> >
> > > Of nedlud
> > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:11 AM
> > > To: cfaussie
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] frustrated CF newbie
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > > I'm quite new to Coldfusion, having only used it for the 6 months I've
> > > been in my current job, so there are many things that I just don't
> > > understand yet.
> >
> > > My current problem is performance.
> >
> > > I have a Fusebox 3 app running on Coldfusion. There are quite a few db
> > > queries that use joins of 2 or 3 tables, but nothing that should
> > > confound the server too much. In fact the sys admin has checked his
> > > logs and tells me the querries aren't running slowly.
> >
> > > Most of the time, the app runs smoothl

[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[Kai Koenig]

Guys,

keep in mind that NZ is NOT a state of Australia (yet?), we're a 
different country, different network providers etc. - so they'll 
rip you off via a mechanism that's called international roaming :-)

If you had an AU Telstra wireless modem, I suppose it would work
here from a frequency point of view but you'd need to find out if
Telstra has a roaming agreement with either Telcom or VF. Secondly
I assume you'd buy a Telstra modem with a plan - x GB traffic
included. I'm pretty sure even if there's roaming your included
traffic won't be applicable while on roaming, i.e. you'd pay by
the megabyte or by the minute - and also on absolutely rip-off 
tariffs.

The other way you could certainly get on a Vodafone Vodem here
in NZ. Vodafone is GSM and the USB vodem device is possible to be 
used internationally - the software comes with support for basically
all Vodafone networks.

Question is though if you can get it without a 24 months minimum 
term contract as you'd have to get a NZ VF data SIM card (which
is technically a non-term contract) and how to work out all the
details. Also another note: coverage in Palmy might be available
on the map, but I've had scenarios all over the country when
I had coverage, but either not indoor or just with dial-up (GRPS
instead of 3G) speed etc. To be honest - I think you might be 
better off sticking with dial-up instead of all the other hassle.

Cheers,
Kai


>Yes I know that - and in Palmerston North (former home of the great
>John Clarke) there is coverage.
>
>But i am asking if i bought an Australian telstra wireless modem or an
>Unwired modem, would it work in NZ if i had the account and the
>coverage.   i.e. do they have any different frequencies or anything?
>
>(or the corollary of that - if i bought the modem in NZ, would i be
>able to bring it home and use it on a Unwired or Telstra wireless
>broadband account)
>
>In other words would i be up for $300 odd for a 1 week use, or would
>it have longer use back homem?
>
>Cheers
>Mike Kear
>Windsor, NSW, Australia
>Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>AFP Webworks
>http://afpwebworks.com
>ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
>
>
>On 4/15/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> You can check the coverage on the websites
>>
>
>>



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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Broadband in NZ for short term

[KC Kuok]

Hi Mike,

I would call Vodafone, since Kai brought up Vodafone as a 3G BB
provider, it may be built similarly and by the same group, so you
would hope they have some sort of  "roaming" capabilities. Vodafone is
still the best value 3G BB at the moment, can't be too far off the
mark.

Hope all works out alright.

Cheers,
Chong

On Apr 15, 12:14 pm, "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes I know that - and in Palmerston North (former home of the great
> John Clarke) there is coverage.
>
> But i am asking if i bought an Australian telstra wireless modem or an
> Unwired modem, would it work in NZ if i had the account and the
> coverage.   i.e. do they have any different frequencies or anything?
>
> (or the corollary of that - if i bought the modem in NZ, would i be
> able to bring it home and use it on a Unwired or Telstra wireless
> broadband account)
>
> In other words would i be up for $300 odd for a 1 week use, or would
> it have longer use back homem?
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworkshttp://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
> On 4/15/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You can check the coverage on the websites
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[cfaussie] Re: [OT] Dreamweaver - testing files

[Taco Fleur]

No, it's an include file.
More than happy to do it manually, but how? ;-) where is the button to
upload to testing server for CSS and JS files?


On 4/14/08, Kay Smoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Taco Fleur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But files like CSS and JS do not upload to the testing server.
>
> Do the CFM files you are working with directly reference the CSS and
> JS files? If not, you'll have to handle that manually... but if they
> do, then you can reset the preference item for dependent files and
> that should fix your issue.
>
> Cheers,
> K.
>
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[cfaussie] Re: [OT] Dreamweaver - testing files

[Kay Smoljak]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Taco Fleur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, it's an include file.
> More than happy to do it manually, but how? ;-) where is the button to
> upload to testing server for CSS and JS files?

If you select Testing Server from the view drop down at the top of the
files panel, all subsequent get and put operations will be to that
server, until you change it to Remote View again.

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[cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[barry.b]

'ullo, 'ullo, 'ullo wot's goin' on 'ere then? care to explain further?


> This was exactly the problem. User was entering "000A" into a numeric
> field, which should have caused a validation error to appear.

so what did you do to get around it?


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[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne this month (April)?

[Peter Robertson]

Um, anyone?  CFUG Melb April?  Yes?  No?

On Apr 15, 10:30 am, Peter Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> please?  Would anyone like my help in getting Melb CFUGs publicised on
> the appropriate boards/lists/etc?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Robertson
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[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne this month (April)?

[Leon Seremelis]

I think it's meant to be on Thursday the 17th at 7pm.

There was a post earlier in the month saying someone will be presenting how-to 
on Flex/CF.



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Um, anyone?  CFUG Melb April?  Yes?  No?

On Apr 15, 10:30 am, Peter Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a Melbourne CFUG this month?  If so can the details be posted
> please?  Would anyone like my help in getting Melb CFUGs publicised on
> the appropriate boards/lists/etc?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Robertson


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[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne this month (April)?

[KC Kuok]

http://groups.google.com.au/group/cfaussie/browse_thread/thread/cfaef6b883960948

yes 17th April... from memory it is Dale giving a presentation on Flex
for CF developers...

Cheers,
Chong

On Apr 15, 3:32 pm, Peter Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um, anyone?  CFUG Melb April?  Yes?  No?
>
> On Apr 15, 10:30 am, Peter Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is there a Melbourne CFUG this month?  If so can the details be posted
> > please?  Would anyone like my help in getting Melb CFUGs publicised on
> > the appropriate boards/lists/etc?
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Peter Robertson
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[cfaussie] Re: Just in case anyone's feeling bored...

[Joel Cass]

You just use IsNumeric() to validate.

If you have a method that accepts a numeric argument, the value "000A"
will actually get through. So before calling such a method, make sure
the value is numeric first.

The code was using try/catch statements when setting object properties.
Not the best practice I know; sounded good at the time.

J

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'ullo, 'ullo, 'ullo wot's goin' on 'ere then? care to explain further?


> This was exactly the problem. User was entering "000A" into a numeric
> field, which should have caused a validation error to appear.

so what did you do to get around it?




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[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne this month (April)?

[Dale Fraser]

Yep,

I will be showing how easy it is to get Flex and CF talking and why you
should have a look at flex.

This is not aimed at hard cord Flex people, it is aimed at CF people
interested in learning a bit about Flex.

Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com

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Um, anyone?  CFUG Melb April?  Yes?  No?

On Apr 15, 10:30 am, Peter Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a Melbourne CFUG this month?  If so can the details be posted
> please?  Would anyone like my help in getting Melb CFUGs publicised on
> the appropriate boards/lists/etc?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Robertson


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[cfaussie] Re: rocketunit, and the cfmeetup (was RE: [cfaussie] cfpdf action="merge" - CF 8 Update 1)

[Robin Hilliard]

Hi Charlie,

That's US EDT?  Maybe I can repeat my infamous "Lawnmower" CFINTERFACE  
presentation from last year's CFCAMP on May 1, then do the RocketUnit  
one (which I'll need to think about and prepare) a few weeks later,  
say May 15.  If anyone has something they'd like me to address in  
either presso let me know off list.

Cheers,
Robin



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On 15/04/2008, at 6:57 AM, charlie arehart wrote:

> That’s great, Robin. Thanks.


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