[cfaussie] Re: CFers employed ?

[Sean Bucklar]

I'm gainfully employed - of course I work in a dot net shop and I'm the 
only person in the office who knows that we use cold fusion.

Sharptongue wrote:
> Hi chaps and chapesses
> I've heared recently, from several independent sources, that it's hard
> to find CFers because nearly all of them are already gainfully
> employed. If true, then it's certainly a turnaround from when I joined
> this group (2002-03), when I first heard the the phrase "will code for
> food".
> 
> So, speak up. Who has stable employment, and is anyone still wearing
> the "will code for food" sign ?
> > 


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[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja

[Sean Bucklar]

D'oh - wasn't my intention to particularly bag QUT - they were just 
intended to be a case in point.

I'm actually quite a fan of QUT as uni students/grads go. Almost all the 
students or recent grads that I've hired and been happy with came from 
QUT's programs - I know that's hardly an objective assesment, but I've 
really had far more good then bad experiences with the people that come 
out of their programs - it's just a continuing point of frustration that 
they so often, students who have 3 year degrees that on paper - should 
relate directly to the work we're recruiting them for, have never been 
exposed in any form to the tools that business actually uses.

Barry Beattie wrote:
> I'd have to somewhat agree with Sean here, although I'm not going to
> bag QUT or any other institution.
>
> it's worth remembering that there are two distinct streams of
> education past high schools
>
>  - higher education (universities and colleges with degrees): judged
> by how well you performed
>  - vocational training (TAFE and other VET institutions):
> competent/not yet competent.
>
> the two are reasonably different.
>
> as you can gather, vocational training is skills based, whereas
> higher education deals with some of the bigger picture or takes a
> larger holistic view. "HOW" verses "WHY" to put it bluntly.
> Universities specifically *don't* teach you how to do tasks - you
> should (in theory) be smart enough to pick that up yourself (which is
> where the role of the tutor - and tutorials generally - is so
> valuable)
>
> what's happened in IT/Computer (and by extention us here in the webby
> world) is a collision of these needs.
>
> I'd argue that if you just want a coder, looks at TAFE's (et al) and
> not universities. There are plenty or RTO's (registered training
> organisations) deliving the ICA05 training packages (some diplomas are
> specifically for web development)
>
> but if you want a long-term employee who will grow well past that role
> and into areas like management then a TAFE diploma by itself may not
> cut it. Either get a Uni graduate and then skill them up or get an ex
> TAFE student and allow them further education paths.
> (this is just an FYI, no help for David in his specific case here)
>
> I've heard tons of ex-uni students who complain bitterly that their
> degrees taught then nothing but they learned much more moving to VET -
> it comes down to what students are looking for. I also suspect that
> many high school students have been let down by their guidance
> councilor in helping them understand what these different forms of
> education mean and what's best for them.
>
> ICT is a bit special because it's so heavily involved in doing, and
> how to do it is constantly changing. The demarcation between the two
> forms of adult education can be clearer in areas like humanities where
> training to get a diploma in social work does not equate to a bachelor
> of arts.
>
> (things are a fair bit more complicated than this  - I'm just watering
> it down to make it easier to digest)
>
> last point:
>
> I won't speak for other states, but Queensland has embraced the
> concept of "life long learning" where   the many levels of educational
> institutions are starting to work together in concert. Certificate 2's
> and 3's (or in some cases higher) or some first year Uni subjects
> (like Griffith Uni's GUEST program) are able to be done in senior at
> high schools. Part of it is marketing and capturing the minds of
> prospective students earlier than the competition, but part is to try
> and make the transition (all the way up to a Masters) flow a lot
> better. The idea is not new - for the last 8 years (longer?) a Diploma
> at Southbank TAFE has (generally) meant the first year off a degree at
> QUT - but the integration is getting a lot smoother and is now
> incorporating more high schools.
>
> sorry, David, this (by itself) doesn't solve your problem ...just some
> background in a nutshell...
>
> but my suggestion is contact some TAFE's in your area and see if
> they've got any graduates for "ICA50605 Diploma of Information
> Technology (Website Development)"
>
> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ICA05+RTO
>
>
> hope this helps
> cheers
> barry.b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  I've certainly seen people I'd class as 'Juniors' graduating from uni.
>>  As an employer I've seen kids come out of QUT's IT program having spent
>>  3 years in the

[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja

[Sean Bucklar]

I've certainly seen people I'd class as 'Juniors' graduating from uni. 
As an employer I've seen kids come out of QUT's IT program having spent 
3 years in the database stream and the only DB they've used is access, 
and the only programming they know how to do is through a wizard.

If you go back to uni after working in the industry for a while, you'll 
be horrified at how little the kids know, and how wildly out of 
date/mickey mouse the course material often is. I've heard suggestions 
that they deliberately push older/mickey mouse tech because it's more 
widely used in small business which is where most Australians end up 
working - but as an employer - it's much harder then it should be to 
find a graduate who actually knows what they're talking about. Usually 
we end up spending as much time training recent grads as we do training 
an ex helpdesk monkey.

Steve Onnis wrote:
> Is there such a thing as junior developers these days?  I mean what sort of
> skill set does a uni student come out with these days and what unis still
> pump out web developers? 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of David Heacock
> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 11:42 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Wanted: junior css/html ninja
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> If anyone knows a junior developer with strong skills in CSS and HTML, I'm
> looking for a contractor in Canberra for about 20 hours per week on-site.
> Coldfusion skills would be an advantage, but not required.
> Like I said, this is a junior position, so a current student, recent
> graduate or self-taught geek would be right for the job.
>
> Please ask them contact David Heacock at The ZOO Group, 02 6260 8777.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> >
>   


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[cfaussie] Dev Tools and toys

[Sean Bucklar]

I've recently been reviewing my chosen dev tools and toys, and having a 
play with some new stuff. I'm fairly sold on Eclipse after the numerous 
earlier reccomendations and html formatter 
(http://www.logichammer.com/html-formatter/) with it's native CF support 
has done wonders for some of my more hurried code's readability.

But I assume there's plenty of other useful stuff out there, any 
suggestions for stuff I should check out?





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[cfaussie] Dev tools that don't require pesky licenses?

[Sean Bucklar]

I've got a fairly narrow window to do some CF dev in my current (non CF) 
role, hosting costs for CF are not a problem - but I haven't as yet been 
able to swing a copy of DreamWeaver. Ha

s anybody got a handy suggestion for a good, preferrably free 
alternative for banging some code together? I've just been working from 
the trusty notepad++ - but I do miss the handy colourizations and 
autocompletes from DW.

(Yes, I've considered other ways to get hold of DW - but they wouldn't 
really be appropriate.)

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[cfaussie] Re: OT : Hosts file in MAC OSX

[Sean Bucklar]

*Mac OS X 10.2 or later*

Edit the /private/etc/hosts file. For more information on how to use the 
hosts file, open Terminal and type: man hosts

*Note*: Editing this file requires root privileges.


(http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=88158)


Steve Onnis wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where the equivalent of the windows Hosts file is 
> on a MAC?  I want to to some host mappings on a dev mac i have
>
>
>   Steve Onnis
>
>
>   Director / Head Developer
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
> Australia : 1300 856 623
> International : +61 3 9882 5875
>
> 0401 667 996
>
> www.inevative.com.au 
>
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> 
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[cfaussie] Re: should DateFormat() be depricated (in favour of LSDateFormat())?

[Sean Bucklar]

> hang on... what's wrong with U.S people setting their systems to a U.S
> locale and using the LS functions? We have to (should) set our systems
> to en_AU. Wot, some locales are more equal than others? 


I wonder what % of people buying CF are in the US?

I know it's less the case then say a few years ago - but I was once told 
by a software vendor that
'catering for foriegn date formats isn't worth the effort' and that I 
should 'suck it up and just use
US date formatting'. I would note that the vendor has since been bought 
out by microsoft after
having been a leader in their field for years while refusing to support 
alternate date formats.

My experience has almost universally been that developer tools were 
developed first and foremost
for the US market and internationalization was always an afterthought 
hacked together at the last
minute. Or that some locates are absolutely more equal than others in 
development practice if not
in the PR material.

> (and if the
> server is wrong, then re-ssetting the locale as Andrew suggests is the
> fix, not an if DateFormat else LSDateFormat)
>
> "where as LsDateFormat is not predictable due to it's dependancy on
> the locale"
>
> IMHO, that's not a problem. Set your locale up correctly and you
> should get just the results you want. The app's moving to a different
> locale? change that, not the code/conversions/hacks.
>
> 2008-01-04 16:18:00.000 is the 1st of April with DateFormat or
> (correctly) 4th of Jan with LSDateFormat... the core data (in the
> database) is agnostic - just the way it should be. your application
> formats it "just so", depending on what you set-up for your region (a
> la workstation operating systems and MSWord, etc).
>
> If all the LS functions work perfectly well after setting the locale -
> no matter what locale it is - then why have the older versions at all?
> It's a shame when i18n becomes an afterthought and you get burnt by
> needing to retrofit it.
>
> if what people are saying is that LSDateFormat is broken in "en_US"
> locales then that's what needs to be said. A generic fix in the hand
> is worth more than two hacks in the bush.
>
> eh my 2c
> barry.b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 1:32 PM, MrBuzzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi y'all, I'm not completely sure that this is a problem that needs to get
>> fixed... maybe I'm missing something...? Barry I'm definitely feeling your
>> pain on this one ;)
>>
>> Dateformat will format dates in US format regardless of the
>> set/selected/configured/OS/JVM locale.
>>
>> LSDateFormat will format (and parse) using the specified locale.
>>
>> Both will allow you to mask the output format in the same way, ie "dd mm
>> " or  "mm dd "
>>
>> IMO the difference (and cause of confusion in non US places) is two fold;
>>   1. Often a non-US application could be hosted in the US or the server has
>> the locale set to US when it shouldn't be. Some won't be aware of it - hence
>> the "LS" parsing will be US anyhow.
>>   2. DateFormat will parse strings to dates (as will DateParse). BUT when
>> doing so it's too smart (or dumb) ... Dateformat will accept an input string
>> like "29 01 2007" clearly this is not a US but DateFormat will parse
>> correctly it because there is no ambiguity - IMO this scenarios should throw
>> an error instead, it would help avoid problems.
>>
>> I don't think it can be deprecated. How would you then parse a US date
>> string to a date object without setting your local to US?
>> Perhaps another parse/format function that can be used by explicitly
>> specifying the input at output masks. ie; DateStringFormat(strDate,"mm dd
>> yy","dd mm yy").
>>
>> Barry, am I right to assume your problem was with dates as strings?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> btw... I really am in a different world today - kicking back in Adelaide
>> with a beach view nice ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 AM, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Retrofitting DataFormat to do what LSDateFormat does breaks
>>> principle-of-least-surprise; Probably won't be too long before an angry
>>> mob gathers.
>>>
>>> That said, deprecating DateFormat sounds like a good idea, if for no
>>> other reason but the fact that it makes your app easier to localise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Scott wrote:
>>>   
 Very good question,

 LS, or location / region settings was an added hack to get localisation
 working. My view is that it is about time that this was all brought
 
>> internal
>> 
 to Coldfusion, so that we as developers make one setting either in the
 
>> OS,
>> 
 or Admin of CF and forget about it.

 However it is there for backwards compatability. But if it wasn't a hack
 
>> in
>> 
 the first place, I do not think we would fall into this trap...

 And yes I still fall into this trap, even though I should know better.

 As for LSDateFormat working in the USA, it does as long as s

[cfaussie] Re: [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers

[Sean Bucklar]

Yeah - but when the DDos kids step up to Hackmailing, the history of 
reports is often the difference between the little asshat getting picked 
up, and another business forking over a hefty handfull of money to 
D4rk4c35 so that he'll go away.



skateboard.com.au wrote:
> I have gone down this route before and had the Victorian Computer Crimes 
> Division chase up a ddos for me (I managed to get some specific optus 
> details via other means, not just the i.ps of the servers in china 
> flooding). They have a low priority on ddos/hacking. They are fairly 
> busy tracking down kiddy fiddlers. They took 5 weeks but eventually gave 
> the script kiddies mum a nasty phone call.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:36:11 +1000
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers
>
>   
>> You may alternately want to drop a call to your local police station
>> and 
>> ask for reccomendations as to the next course of action. Hacking is 
>> illegal in Australia - and where possible it is pursued. The majority
>> of 
>> e-crime goes un reported and consequently is much harder for the 
>> relevant authorities to track. Reporting it - even if it doesn't result
>> in any immediate outcomes does help the people who are trying to deal 
>> with the problem.
>>
>> skateboard.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Taco
>>>
>>> If it has stopped, I'd just leave it at that. If you really know who 
>>> they are they were just sloppy. It's fairly simple to download a tool
>>> these days that allows you to spawn floods from a vast number of 
>>> infected machines around the world. Best thing is to not antogonise 
>>> these people and hope they go away. 
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:39:16 +1100
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Taco,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> That is a very good question, apart from what you have done or about
>>>> 
>> to
>> 
>>>> do
>>>> by going to their ISP. The next step would be legal action, but is
>>>> 
>> that
>> 
>>>> a
>>>> road you would be comfortable with, as it would be costly.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The bright side is that at least you are aware of it, and can take
>>>> 
>> the
>> 
>>>> necessary actions to stop them.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Scott
>>>> Senior Coldfusion Developer
>>>> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
>>>> www.aegeon.com.au
>>>> Phone: +613  9015 8628
>>>> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> 
>> On
>> 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Taco Fleur
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2007 1:28 PM
>>>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: [cfaussie] [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering what some of you do when you encounter
>>>> hackers/crackers/spammers on your website?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> We have some code in place that detects leeching, possible flood
>>>> attacks,
>>>> scanning etc. during the xmas period some people been having a go at
>>>> our
>>>> site. We know who it is, sent them an email to explain their
>>>> 
>> actions.
>> 
>>>> No
>>>> response yet, and not expecting one. We're thinking of going to
>>>> 
>> their
>> 
>>>> host
>>>> next... But what else is there that one can do about these people? 
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Looking for a business, product or service? Try the new Australian
>>>> search
>>>> engine <http://www.clickfind.com.au>  www.clickfind.com.au
>>>> blog: http://australian-search-engine.blogspot.com/  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> 
>
>
>
> >
>   


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[cfaussie] Re: [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers

[Sean Bucklar]

You may alternately want to drop a call to your local police station and 
ask for reccomendations as to the next course of action. Hacking is 
illegal in Australia - and where possible it is pursued. The majority of 
e-crime goes un reported and consequently is much harder for the 
relevant authorities to track. Reporting it - even if it doesn't result 
in any immediate outcomes does help the people who are trying to deal 
with the problem.

skateboard.com.au wrote:
> Taco
>
> If it has stopped, I'd just leave it at that. If you really know who 
> they are they were just sloppy. It's fairly simple to download a tool 
> these days that allows you to spawn floods from a vast number of 
> infected machines around the world. Best thing is to not antogonise 
> these people and hope they go away. 
>
> Drew
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:39:16 +1100
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers
>
>   
>> Taco,
>>
>>  
>>
>> That is a very good question, apart from what you have done or about to
>> do
>> by going to their ISP. The next step would be legal action, but is that
>> a
>> road you would be comfortable with, as it would be costly.
>>
>>  
>>
>> The bright side is that at least you are aware of it, and can take the
>> necessary actions to stop them.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Scott
>> Senior Coldfusion Developer
>> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
>> www.aegeon.com.au
>> Phone: +613  9015 8628
>> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Taco Fleur
>> Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2007 1:28 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [cfaussie] [OT] hackers/crackers and spammers
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just wondering what some of you do when you encounter
>> hackers/crackers/spammers on your website?
>>
>>  
>>
>> We have some code in place that detects leeching, possible flood
>> attacks,
>> scanning etc. during the xmas period some people been having a go at
>> our
>> site. We know who it is, sent them an email to explain their actions.
>> No
>> response yet, and not expecting one. We're thinking of going to their
>> host
>> next... But what else is there that one can do about these people? 
>>
>> -- 
>> Looking for a business, product or service? Try the new Australian
>> search
>> engine   www.clickfind.com.au
>> blog: http://australian-search-engine.blogspot.com/  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>
> >
>   


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[cfaussie] Re: 301 redirect based on Query String

[Sean Bucklar]

Hi Matthew,

I'm guessing a bit about how your app works, but I'd think,  the code 
snippet listed earlier should work fine if you use URL rewrites-



http://www.new-url.com/blah/products/def
product=def">


 From the perspective of the search engine - their crawler sends a get 
to www.domain.com/blah/products/abc - and assumes that it's gotten to a 
default document. It then gets back a response that contains moved 
permanently headers, so it will update it's record set and everything 
will be as happy as it's going to get.


Matthew wrote:
> Hi Sean,
>
> Thanks for the interesting history!
>
> In regards to using ISAPI ReWrite; I thought of using this (in fact I
> will be on a new project) however I don't think that it would still
> solve my problem, because to create a 301 in IIS it is my
> understanding that you open up IIS, right click on the file you wish
> to 301 and change the properties etc. However with your example there
> is no abc.htm, therefore you couldn't right click on this file, right?
> You'd have to right click on index.cfm but you'd end up with the same
> problem. Perhaps I'm missing something? My thinking is that ISAPI
> ReWrite sits in front of IIS (I know it's part of it but just for
> painting a picture bare with me), so esentially IIS never sees /
> product/abc.htm because it sees index.cfm?product=abc
>
> Am I right?
>
> I'll go and read Sarah's article now.
>
> Cheers
> Matthew
>
> On Dec 19, 2:07 pm, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Matthew - The relevant RFC (1738) was written in '94 and includes a
>> whole bunch of specifications for gopher. Nobody was really doing what
>> your doing on the web in 94.
>>
>> RFC 2616 defines 301's and was written in 99 - and even then, the sort
>> of complex data display that you're dealing with was pretty uncommon.
>>
>> The specs were written with the expectation that you would have
>> /product/abc.htm, /product/def.htm. Ideally, use URL rewrites to present
>> search engines with what the RFC's tell them to expect, but keep your
>> application developer friendly in the background. If you can't do that
>> you have to weight up developer time vs search engine impact.
>>
>> Matthew wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>   
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>> BRETT/ANDREW: you're right, my problem is that SE's are trying to
>>> spider to this page (and cloging up my inbox with errors) hence why I
>>> want to 301 so that the SE's learn about the new page.
>>> SEAN: what you've said makes sense but out of interest how else would
>>> you build a website without re-using a page? That's the point of URL
>>> parameters isn't it?
>>>   
>>> Cheers again everyone.
>>>   
>>> On Dec 19, 12:30 pm, "Brett Payne-Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> I'd be wondering whether this is really a 301 problem though. Isn't it 
>>>> just that the product no longer exists? index.cfm still exists. Is there 
>>>> some danger that search engines will start to drop indexes for your 
>>>> index.cfm urls?
>>>> 
>>>> Like I said... just wondering out loud really...
>>>> 
>>>> B)
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>   
>>>>> I've renamed several pages on a website and I'd like to setup 301
>>>>> redirects, however I can't find out a way to do this based on the
>>>>> query string. Here's an example to explain:
>>>>> OLD URL: index.cfm?product=abc
>>>>> NEW URL: index.cfm?product=def
>>>>>   
>>>>> Everything I've ready on IIS 301 redirects seems to imply that you can
>>>>> only have a 301 per file and not take into account a query string
>>>>> attribute. Therefore in the example above all calls to index.cfm would
>>>>> be redirected!
>>>>>   
>>>>> So am I right in say that I'll have to do the 301 in my CF code i.e.
>>>>> withing index.cfm have the following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.new-url.com/index.cfm?
>>>>> product=def">
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>   
>>>> --
>>>> Brett Payne-Rhodes
>>>> Eaglehawk Computing
>>>> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
>>>> m: +61 (0)414 371 047
>>>> e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[cfaussie] Re: 301 redirect based on Query String

[Sean Bucklar]

Matthew - The relevant RFC (1738) was written in '94 and includes a 
whole bunch of specifications for gopher. Nobody was really doing what 
your doing on the web in 94.

RFC 2616 defines 301's and was written in 99 - and even then, the sort 
of complex data display that you're dealing with was pretty uncommon.

The specs were written with the expectation that you would have 
/product/abc.htm, /product/def.htm. Ideally, use URL rewrites to present 
search engines with what the RFC's tell them to expect, but keep your 
application developer friendly in the background. If you can't do that 
you have to weight up developer time vs search engine impact.


Matthew wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
> BRETT/ANDREW: you're right, my problem is that SE's are trying to
> spider to this page (and cloging up my inbox with errors) hence why I
> want to 301 so that the SE's learn about the new page.
> SEAN: what you've said makes sense but out of interest how else would
> you build a website without re-using a page? That's the point of URL
> parameters isn't it?
>
> Cheers again everyone.
>
> On Dec 19, 12:30 pm, "Brett Payne-Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'd be wondering whether this is really a 301 problem though. Isn't it just 
>> that the product no longer exists? index.cfm still exists. Is there some 
>> danger that search engines will start to drop indexes for your index.cfm 
>> urls?
>>
>> Like I said... just wondering out loud really...
>>
>> B)
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>>   
>>> I've renamed several pages on a website and I'd like to setup 301
>>> redirects, however I can't find out a way to do this based on the
>>> query string. Here's an example to explain:
>>> OLD URL: index.cfm?product=abc
>>> NEW URL: index.cfm?product=def
>>>   
>>> Everything I've ready on IIS 301 redirects seems to imply that you can
>>> only have a 301 per file and not take into account a query string
>>> attribute. Therefore in the example above all calls to index.cfm would
>>> be redirected!
>>>   
>>> So am I right in say that I'll have to do the 301 in my CF code i.e.
>>> withing index.cfm have the following:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.new-url.com/index.cfm?
>>> product=def">
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Cheers
>>> Matthew
>>>   
>> --
>> Brett Payne-Rhodes
>> Eaglehawk Computing
>> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
>> m: +61 (0)414 371 047
>> e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> w:www.yoursite.net.au
>> 
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[cfaussie] Re: 301 redirect based on Query String

[Sean Bucklar]

At a protocol level - a change in the search part value does not 
constitute a permanent move. The RFC's defining status codes, URL 
layouts and etc weren't written with applications that use query strings 
to generate completely differentiated content from the same page in 
mind. What you're application is doing is essentially a hack that has 
become so common place that it's now considered a norm - but it's still 
not how the protocol was expected to be used - so some things don't 
handle it gracefully.

I'd introduce an assocation of product code ABC with product code DEF in 
the application - so that either query string value would return the 
same content. If your application can't be easily modified to allow 
that, CFLocation is probably your best bet.



Matthew wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I've renamed several pages on a website and I'd like to setup 301
> redirects, however I can't find out a way to do this based on the
> query string. Here's an example to explain:
> OLD URL: index.cfm?product=abc
> NEW URL: index.cfm?product=def
>
> Everything I've ready on IIS 301 redirects seems to imply that you can
> only have a 301 per file and not take into account a query string
> attribute. Therefore in the example above all calls to index.cfm would
> be redirected!
>
> So am I right in say that I'll have to do the 301 in my CF code i.e.
> withing index.cfm have the following:
> 
> 
> http://www.new-url.com/index.cfm?
> product=def">
> 
>
> Cheers
> Matthew
> >
>   


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[cfaussie] Re: CF5 invoking .NET 2.0 webservices

[Sean Bucklar]

I was in in exactly that circumstance for about 8 months this year. The 
webserver I had to locate my scripts on due to VPN restrictions was also 
running a bunch of other tools that couldn't be upgraded for various 
reasons - so all my code had to be retuned to run on CF5 instead of CF7. 
I spent more time trying to find a copy my old CF5 books so I could 
check syntax then I did building my apps.

Barry Beattie wrote:
> and life may not be that simple...
>
> ... I know a place that has enterprise-wide CF enterprise licenses for
> CF7 ... and yet some poor sods there were still working on CF5
> systems.
>
> sometimes it comes down to the migration process, the QA ... maybe
> even the politics from a .NET or Java group within the enterprise
> trying to kill off their CF rivals ...
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2007 2:05 PM, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Come on Brett,
>>
>> Never let the details get in the way of a good post ;)
>>
>> Regards
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>> http://learncf.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>>
>> Of Brett Payne-Rhodes
>> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 2:37 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF5 invoking .NET 2.0 webservices
>>
>>
>> I don't think you can assume that it is a $600 upgrade. Could be enterprise.
>> Could be clustered. And I'm not even sure there is an upgrade from CF5 to
>> CF8?
>>
>> That isn't to say that your point isn't a valid one. What IS the cost of the
>> upgrade compared to the $s spent trying to make it work with what could now
>> be construed as a hack?
>>
>> B)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale Fraser wrote:
>> 
>>> How much time and $ are you wasting to save yourself a $600 upgrade.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Dale Fraser
>>>
>>> http://learncf.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>   
>> Behalf
>> 
>>> Of Andrew Scott
>>> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 2:05 PM
>>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF5 invoking .NET 2.0 webservices
>>>
>>>
>>> Coldfusion 5, uses com objects. Visual Studio can create com objects a
>>>   
>> pain
>> 
>>> in the arse, with a lot interop etc., but it can be done.
>>>
>>> I am sure Scott Barnes will pop in soon enough, and provide some more
>>> insight.
>>>
>>> Or, you could upgrade to CF8 and have it all built in for you:-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Scott
>>> Senior Coldfusion Developer
>>> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
>>> www.aegeon.com.au
>>> Phone: +613  8676 4223
>>> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>   
>> Behalf
>> 
>>> Of Jeremy
>>> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 1:05 PM
>>> To: cfaussie
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF5 invoking .NET 2.0 webservices
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah I had thought of that already its just so messy that I don't
>>> want to make any more of a mess from what already is there.
>>> I have another solution which I will use instead...i.e. .NET
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>
>>
>> 
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: CF5 invoking .NET 2.0 webservices

[Sean Bucklar]

I've used .net1.1 webservices it in the past from CFHTTP. It wasn't 
something I'd reccomend.

You might try CFOBJECT to instantiate the SOAP com object?

MrBuzzy wrote:
> I don't know of anything.
>
> You *could* post the soap requests using cfhttp. It's not impossible.
>
> On 11/29/07, Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Can this be done? Or is there a CFX tag I can get that does it...Or am
>> I really streching the boundaries of the Internet...
>>
>> Jeremy
>> 
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Friday arvo O.T - thinking of giving up Apple and going back to Windows.

[Sean Bucklar]

Best troll ever.
> I heard a nasty rumour that Apple is outselling
> PC 2 to 1.


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[cfaussie] Re: Friday arvo O.T - thinking of giving up Apple and going back to Windows.

[Sean Bucklar]

>
> > (I still don't get how that works - what about WinXP service packs?
> > What does the "Windows Genuine Advantage" worm-ware do on a Mac?)
> >
> >   
>   

Barry - My understanding, and from what I can find from some digging is
that Bootcamp is essentially A bootloader (like Grub) + A driver set for
the MAC hardware. As far as XP is concerned, There's no difference
between running Mac and XP with Bootcamp then running XP and Ubuntu with
Bootcamp. As far as windows is concerned - your mac is just another
hardware set.


> > And I still reckon that Windows have won the operating system wars
> > thanks to Apple, reaching into a hardware platform it could never get
> > to in the past. Will it come down to Apple providing the hardware,
> > Microsoft the O/S and people using an Apple machine but never use
> > OS-X?
> >
> >   
>   

I really disagree. I think Apple handed MS the OS wars by refusing to
open their hardware support standards when DOS launched. MS have just
been consolidating their position since then.

In more recent terms, Mac had about 4.8% IIRC of the marketshare before
releasing BootCamp and have moved up to 5.1% sor so since I think.
They're in the game - but they're like the Socceroo's - We might love
them - but they just aren't in the same league as their biggest competitor.

That said,l Mac has a huge mindshare in the industry, what Apple does
influences the market significantly and in terms of MindShare - they are
certainly a real competitor for Microsoft. When it comes to Marketshare?
I know more people who make a living supporting Linux, or Lotus Notes
then Mac. It's been well more then 10 years since Apple was a real
competitor to microsoft in computing. Peripherals and Entertainment is
the only place where Apple is really a major player in the current market.

The battle for Server hearts and minds might still be up for grabs - but
Microsoft have a firm hold on personal computing that really hasn't
moved that much. They might have let some of the browser market slip
with Firefox, but there's still not an OS that's really pulling
marketshare away. And when it comes, I highly doubt it will be Mac -
Inertia is a universal truism - Most of the market is too lazy to move
away from what they know unless there's a sound economic motivator. As
long as the initial cost of ownership for a Mac is Higher then it is for
an equivalent level of functionality on Windows - people won't go
through the hassle of changing.

Ubuntu/Mandriva style end-user friendly linux distro's are IMO the most
likely sources of a real challenge to Windows - and currently, none of
the freeware distro's has the same sort of reliable out of the box ease
of use that makes windows the market dominator. Cheap, supported linux
solutions like the EEE PC, and projects like the one laptop initiative
might have a real chance at bringing Linux to the market. But both of
those initiatives are targetted at kids and their distributions come
with restricted hardware models, and even without those barriers to
success, just because something takes off with kids, it won't
necessarily translate to adults and the business community. American
Soccer more then proves that.







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[cfaussie] Re: Friday arvo O.T - thinking of giving up Apple and going back to Windows.

[Sean Bucklar]

Barry - Perhaps I'm being a luddite, but Bootcamp facillitates a dual
boot and provides windows with a suitable driver base for the hardware
so you can install windows. What exactly would be being emulated?

I have difficulty imagining what an App might be doing that would make
it run with everything on windows unless that windows install was on
hardware also capable of running a mac.

On Nov 16, 2007 11:18 PM, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sadly no.
>
> these particullar apps (from what I can work out), are not only made
> just for Windows, but call down heavily into the hardware. It's the
> emulation that they don't work with.
>
> they may in fact work in a fashion under emulation on an Intel Mac,
> but it comes with no guarentee, and I can't afford the risk.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/16/07, AJ Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Barry,
> >
> > Have you seen Parallels or bootcamp on the Mac?
> >
> > Would having windows (XP) like this for those Adobe apps be a good enough
> > solution?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 4:47 PM, Andrew Scott < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes it can
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/16/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've been looking at turning over my laptop for a new one soon ...
> > > >
> > > > .. but due to a couple of key Adobe applications that are Windows only
> > > > and don't seem to work on an Intel Mac, I may have to say goodbye to
> > > > OS X. Shame.
> > > >
> > > > Sure Windows XP is still available but to be honest, for future
> > > > proofing, it probably makes more sense to get a laptop with Vista.
> > > >
> > > > the trouble is, everytime someone shows me Vista's swish UI and
> > > > desktop, I just want to vomit!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not at all interested in swooshy interfaces. A decent file
> > > > manager, drag and drop and plug'n'pray is all I really need to cut
> > > > code and get stuff happening.
> > > >
> > > > For all you vista users, can the over-the-top Vista "chrome" be turned
> > > > off so it's just a plane-jane O/S? The first thing I do with a WinXP
> > > > install it to turn it into Windows "Classic". I don't mean I want to
> > > > be using one of the cripple-ware stripped down versions of Vista, just
> > > > that I can't see the point in having some fancy piece of rubbish
> > > > hogging resources.
> > > >
> > > > if it wasn't for the "Windows problem", I'd probably just use FreeBSD
> > and KDE...
> > > >
> > > > thoughts?
> > > > thanx
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Senior Coldfusion Developer
> > > Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> > > www.aegeon.com.au
> > > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > AJ Mercer
> > Web Log: http://webonix.net
> >
> >  >
> >
>
> >
>



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[cfaussie] SMS Gateways

[Sean Bucklar]

I'm just in the process of hunting down a new outbound SMS gateway for 
one of my clients - is anybody using one that they like enough to recommend?
 
Cheers
Sean

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[cfaussie] Re: visual password systems

[Sean Bucklar]

There are some solutions. I use Keypass Portable on a thumbdrive for
most of my passwords.

There are also some cool firefox extensions out there for website
usage. One of my favourites takes a key feed (IE the password that you
type into the password box, some psuedo random factors relating to the
website you're logging into and generates a string. You type the same
password in everywhere, but the password used for each site is
different.

It's not actually secure in any true sense. But it's an interesting
idea and it's certainly more secure then using the same password
everywhere.

I'm personally all about longer passwords. I HATE websites that have a
maximum password length. Especially if they have an obnoxiously
frequent password change policy. I find it much easier to remember a
phrase then an 8 character string of crap. And it's much harder to
brute force a 50 character quote with punctuation and appropriate case
usage, with a simple substitution scheme applied, then any combination
of  8 characters.

> I've had enough of dedicated passwords simply because I now have so
> many of them that I can't remember them all.  I suppose I could use
> the same one everywhere but system imposed password cycling usually
> stuffs up that idea.  I'm also approaching this from a kids point of
> view, hence my original example.  If you were 10 years old wouldn't
> you find it easier to remember "dog, BMX bike, football, yo-yo" than Q!
> et56$jT

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[cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/

[Sean Bucklar]

D'oh.

After much digging, and trying everything suggested - it was eventually 
discovered by a coworker that permissions were suffering from 
broken-by-the-GUI-itis. After I reapplied  permissions using XCACLS 
everything worked properly. I hate when somebody else looks at a problem 
for 5 minutes and finds an answer you've spent the entire day looking for.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Gareth Edwards wrote:
> Maybe manually check your /cfide mapping in the /lib/neo-runtime.xml file?
>
> Look for something like
>
> C:\webroot\CFIDE
>
> Otherwise, look for the root of your Coldfusion JRun instance and put 
> a copy of the CFIDE directory in there and see if that works?
>
> Cheers
> Gareth.
>
> Steve Onnis wrote:
>> Have a look at FileMon
>> (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/filemon.mspx).
>> Install it and try and run some stuff and see if the dll is being accessed
>> at all and if there are any permission issues happening.  This is how I have
>> overcome these sorts of issues in the past
>>
>> Steve 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of Sean Bucklar
>> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2007 2:03 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>>
>>
>> The server has been up and running for a while. Honestly I don't know if it
>> was working previously - largely because the guy who built the server is
>> currently out of the country. I assume so because there's content accessing
>> a CF DSN's on the server and the initial install is from a SOE image that
>> wouldn't need any changes after it was deployed.
>>
>> Steve Onnis wrote:
>>   
>>> Was this an upgrade or a fresh install?
>>>
>>> Did it work before you locked it down?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sean Bucklar
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2007 1:22 PM
>>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>>>
>>>
>>> I did wonder about that - but the files are where they're supposed to 
>>> be, and IIS has the correct directory paths.
>>>
>>> The only things I can find in google are some references to people in 
>>> the past who've had a permissions error (they think) and an article 
>>> that doesn't apply.
>>>
>>> I've hit this issue before, and fixed it by removing and recreating 
>>> the .cfm extension bindings - unfortunately no joy with that this time.
>>>
>>> Barry Beattie wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>> has someone been playing around with your IIS mappings?
>>>>
>>>> it's like IIS just doesn't know where cfide is, possibly because it 
>>>> may not be be in the webroot, or the default website is somewhere 
>>>> outside it...
>>>>
>>>> gut feeling: IIS mapping issue...
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> barry.b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/07, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>>> I have a weird issue. I'm using ColdFusion Server Enterprise,
>>>>> 7,0,1,116466 on Win2003 with IIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I try to browse to /cfide/administrator, I get a file not found
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>> error:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>>>  File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>>>>>
>>>>> Resources:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are 
>>>>> using the correct syntax.
>>>>> * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Browser   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
>>>>> rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8
>>>>>
>>>>> I've checked. The files are there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can copy a very simple test file into the administrator directory 
>>>>> and I get the same error, so I don't think it's a missing
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>> include/component.
>>>   
>>> 
>>>>> I've tried renaming the /cfide/

[cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/

[Sean Bucklar]

The server has been up and running for a while. Honestly I don't know if 
it was working previously - largely because the guy who built the server 
is currently out of the country. I assume so because there's content 
accessing a CF DSN's on the server and the initial install is from a SOE 
image that wouldn't need any changes after it was deployed.

Steve Onnis wrote:
> Was this an upgrade or a fresh install?
>
> Did it work before you locked it down?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Sean Bucklar
> Sent: Monday, 29 October 2007 1:22 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>
>
> I did wonder about that - but the files are where they're supposed to be,
> and IIS has the correct directory paths.
>
> The only things I can find in google are some references to people in the
> past who've had a permissions error (they think) and an article that doesn't
> apply.
>
> I've hit this issue before, and fixed it by removing and recreating the .cfm
> extension bindings - unfortunately no joy with that this time.
>
> Barry Beattie wrote:
>   
>> has someone been playing around with your IIS mappings?
>>
>> it's like IIS just doesn't know where cfide is, possibly because it 
>> may not be be in the webroot, or the default website is somewhere 
>> outside it...
>>
>> gut feeling: IIS mapping issue...
>>
>> HTH
>> barry.b
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/07, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I have a weird issue. I'm using ColdFusion Server Enterprise,
>>> 7,0,1,116466 on Win2003 with IIS.
>>>
>>> When I try to browse to /cfide/administrator, I get a file not found
>>>   
> error:
>   
>>>  File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>>>
>>> Resources:
>>>
>>> * Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using 
>>> the correct syntax.
>>> * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem.
>>>
>>> Browser   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
>>> rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8
>>>
>>> I've checked. The files are there.
>>>
>>> I can copy a very simple test file into the administrator directory 
>>> and I get the same error, so I don't think it's a missing
>>>   
> include/component.
>   
>>> I've tried renaming the /cfide/administrator/application.cfm just to 
>>> make sure that it wasn't something being called from there.
>>>
>>> If I copy the test file up to the /cfide directory - everything works
>>>   
> fine.
>   
>>> The administrator directory is locked down to prevent anonymous 
>>> browsing, and IP restricted. But I can authenticate fine with a user 
>>> which has full administrator rights over the server. I've verified 
>>> that the user is a member of the Administrators group, and the 
>>> administrators group has full control over the full file system. I've 
>>> tried also giving that user explicit full control over the test file 
>>> and over the jrun_iis6.dll, and the jrun_iis6_wildcard.dll with no 
>>> effect. The /cfide/administrator directory is NOT an application 
>>> root, so it's taking it's extension bindings from it's parent 
>>> directory - so if the bindings are correct /cfide (which I know they 
>>> are, because my test script runs), they should therefore be right in 
>>> /cfide/administrator as well. I've tried making the 
>>> /cfide/administrator an application root and ensuring that the 
>>> extension bindings are correct, but still the same error. I've tried 
>>> enabling anonymous browsing and disabling IP restrictions - also with no
>>>   
> effect.
>   
>>> I've recycled the relevant application pool, restarted the webservice 
>>> and restarted the server at various points in trying to resolve the 
>>> issue without success.
>>>
>>> The obvious question, what's changed on the server recently is 
>>> unfortunately pretty broad in terms of content. In terms of system 
>>> state and operating environment? Nothing relevant that I can find.
>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure that I'm missing something obvious. But I just can't 
>>> find it. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>>   
>> 
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[cfaussie] Re: File not found: /cfide/administrator/

[Sean Bucklar]

I did wonder about that - but the files are where they're supposed to 
be, and IIS has the correct directory paths.

The only things I can find in google are some references to people in 
the past who've had a permissions error (they think) and an article that 
doesn't apply.

I've hit this issue before, and fixed it by removing and recreating the 
.cfm extension bindings - unfortunately no joy with that this time.

Barry Beattie wrote:
> has someone been playing around with your IIS mappings?
>
> it's like IIS just doesn't know where cfide is, possibly because it
> may not be be in the webroot, or the default website is somewhere
> outside it...
>
> gut feeling: IIS mapping issue...
>
> HTH
> barry.b
>
>
> On 10/29/07, Sean Bucklar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I have a weird issue. I'm using ColdFusion Server Enterprise,
>> 7,0,1,116466 on Win2003 with IIS.
>>
>> When I try to browse to /cfide/administrator, I get a file not found error:
>>
>>  File not found: /cfide/administrator/
>>
>> Resources:
>>
>> * Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using
>> the correct syntax.
>> * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem.
>>
>> Browser   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
>> rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8
>>
>> I've checked. The files are there.
>>
>> I can copy a very simple test file into the administrator directory and
>> I get the same error, so I don't think it's a missing include/component.
>> I've tried renaming the /cfide/administrator/application.cfm just to
>> make sure that it wasn't something being called from there.
>>
>> If I copy the test file up to the /cfide directory - everything works fine.
>>
>> The administrator directory is locked down to prevent anonymous
>> browsing, and IP restricted. But I can authenticate fine with a user
>> which has full administrator rights over the server. I've verified that
>> the user is a member of the Administrators group, and the administrators
>> group has full control over the full file system. I've tried also giving
>> that user explicit full control over the test file and over the
>> jrun_iis6.dll, and the jrun_iis6_wildcard.dll with no effect. The
>> /cfide/administrator directory is NOT an application root, so it's
>> taking it's extension bindings from it's parent directory - so if the
>> bindings are correct /cfide (which I know they are, because my test
>> script runs), they should therefore be right in /cfide/administrator as
>> well. I've tried making the /cfide/administrator an application root and
>> ensuring that the extension bindings are correct, but still the same
>> error. I've tried enabling anonymous browsing and disabling IP
>> restrictions - also with no effect.
>>
>> I've recycled the relevant application pool, restarted the webservice
>> and restarted the server at various points in trying to resolve the
>> issue without success.
>>
>> The obvious question, what's changed on the server recently is
>> unfortunately pretty broad in terms of content. In terms of system state
>> and operating environment? Nothing relevant that I can find.
>>
>> I'm fairly sure that I'm missing something obvious. But I just can't
>> find it. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>
>>
>> 
>
> >
>
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[cfaussie] File not found: /cfide/administrator/

[Sean Bucklar]

I have a weird issue. I'm using ColdFusion Server Enterprise, 
7,0,1,116466 on Win2003 with IIS.

When I try to browse to /cfide/administrator, I get a file not found error:

 File not found: /cfide/administrator/
 
Resources:

* Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using 
the correct syntax.
* Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem.

Browser   Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; 
rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 Firefox/2.0.0.8

I've checked. The files are there.

I can copy a very simple test file into the administrator directory and 
I get the same error, so I don't think it's a missing include/component. 
I've tried renaming the /cfide/administrator/application.cfm just to 
make sure that it wasn't something being called from there.

If I copy the test file up to the /cfide directory - everything works fine.

The administrator directory is locked down to prevent anonymous 
browsing, and IP restricted. But I can authenticate fine with a user 
which has full administrator rights over the server. I've verified that 
the user is a member of the Administrators group, and the administrators 
group has full control over the full file system. I've tried also giving 
that user explicit full control over the test file and over the 
jrun_iis6.dll, and the jrun_iis6_wildcard.dll with no effect. The 
/cfide/administrator directory is NOT an application root, so it's 
taking it's extension bindings from it's parent directory - so if the 
bindings are correct /cfide (which I know they are, because my test 
script runs), they should therefore be right in /cfide/administrator as 
well. I've tried making the /cfide/administrator an application root and 
ensuring that the extension bindings are correct, but still the same 
error. I've tried enabling anonymous browsing and disabling IP 
restrictions - also with no effect.

I've recycled the relevant application pool, restarted the webservice 
and restarted the server at various points in trying to resolve the 
issue without success.

The obvious question, what's changed on the server recently is 
unfortunately pretty broad in terms of content. In terms of system state 
and operating environment? Nothing relevant that I can find.

I'm fairly sure that I'm missing something obvious. But I just can't 
find it. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.


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[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Some Stats

[Sean Bucklar]

Vista was really a driving motivator in my decision to pick up a Mac a 
few months ago. I needed a new laptop and it goes against the grain to 
get a new toy without the shiniest new O/S available on it - but Vista 
just looked like too much hassle.

I'll run Vista from bootcamp or a virtual environment when it gets a bit 
more stable - but at the moment, working from a a mac and remote 
accessing a 2003 server is a really stable and workable solution for me.

I'm a microsoft weenie through and through. But Vista desperately needs 
a 'classic' interface at a top level - a user experience wide toggle 
that will give microsoft applications an XP style UI - they've scared 
off a massive number of business people with the hassle of learning 
where all the buttons are now. And then they need an 'advanced user' 
toggle - even if it requires editing the registry or doing something 
equivalently scary to frighten away mom and dad home users - that will 
turn off all the incredibly annoying idiot proofing they've tried to 
implement.

I also really have to wonder how long it's going to remain worth the 
effort to keep up IE. Sure their user base is huge - but it's 
diminishing at a rapidly expanding rate, and it constantly draws fire 
for being shit. I really wonder if they wouldn't be better off ditching 
the damn thing, and just getting on board with Firefox.


Dale Fraser wrote:
>
> I must admit that I’m a Microsoft Fan love their work.
>
> But Vista has been disappointing in several areas. I don’t see how 
> some of their bad decisions get through to a final release.
>
> 1. Whoever thought up UAC should be fired (I had to turn it off it’s 
> so annoying)
>
> 2. Whoever can’t resolve the Click To Activate in IE should also be fired.
>
> Both of these things are two steps backwards. I am persisting however 
> with Vista and IE.
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://learncf.com
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *On Behalf Of *AJ Mercer
> *Sent:* Friday, 26 October 2007 10:18 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Some Stats
>
> There is a thread on the Adobe UG forums saying the CF8 may not run on 
> leopard - the latest OS from Apple.
>
> I hope Apple fixes this before the official release.
>
>
> Vista - the best thing that has happened to Apple :-)
>
>
> On 10/26/07, *Dale Fraser* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> I had a look at some stats today in light of the announcement that Ben 
> will be visiting Australia.
>
> Thought you may be interested, I was particularly interested in the 
> increased number of FireFox and Mac users compared to stats of other 
> sites I have.
>
> I think this is showing a trend for developers mainly, but interesting 
> still. Also based on this Australia is the second most active country 
> for ColdFusion, although this could be misleading given the site is in 
> Australia and I promote it a bit here. What is however accurate is 
> just how far ahead in terms of use the US is.
>
> http://learncf.com/stats.cfm
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://learncf.com
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> AJ Mercer
> Web Log: http://webonix.net
>
>
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: Parallels or Bootcamp?

[Sean Bucklar]

VMware would probably be my chosen option if I HAD to run virtual 
machines from my laptop. But I'd much rather just leave a windows 
machine with a network connection running in the back closet and connect 
with Terminal Server if I had the option. With a half decent broadband 
connection - I'd much rather TS into the  a remote windows machine then 
try and run a local virtual install.

Bootcamp would IMO be far and away the best way to run a web/sql/cf 
server from a mac laptop if you won't have a broadband connection.

Chris Bernard wrote:
> I've had very good luck with VM Ware, it's certainly worth a look if
> you are using Parallels. I find the performance to be a bit a bettre
> and the emulation 'tax' to be a bit less. In fact I've seen a number
> of .NET developers actually run Visual Studio in Coherence Mode this
> way.
>
> On Oct 9, 5:16 am, "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I agree with Kai. The only reason I run windows on my mac is for .NET
>> development and SQL. If it wasn't for that, and the fact that I'm
>> moving on from CF to .NET I wouldn't have it installed in the first
>> place. Nevertheless, Parellels is my choice purely because I use co-
>> herence all the time. out of site out of mind sort of thing.
>>
>> On Oct 9, 10:15 am, "Kai Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> :) I just don't like Windows to have full control over my beloved Mac 
>>> hardware
>>> and to give it it's own partition, that's basically it - and the reason why
>>> I've made the switch anyway. It might not be a perfectly logical
>>> justification,
>>> but I feel more comfortable having Windows just in it's little 
>>> self-contained
>>> environment on the Mac HD.
>>>   
>>> To be honest, if some of my clients weren't on SQL Server, I probably
>>> wouldn't
>>> even have Parallels installed... Well - and for playing with CF/.NET
>>> integration.
>>> I do all my other CF/Flex development directly on the Mac.
>>>   
>>> Cheers
>>> Kai
>>>   
 Kai,
 
 Out of curiosity why don't you like Bootcamp?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kai Koenig
 Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 9:40 AM
 To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Parallels or Bootcamp?
 
 Ryan,
 
 I don't think there is a def right or wrong here. I personally do not
 like Bootcamp at all, I just run a Win XP VM in Parallels.
 
 There is another religious question to answer - Parallels or Fusion :)
 Again - some people are saying Fusion has a better performance - for
 my usage Parallels 3 is fine though, so I stick with it.
 
 The important thing to mention anyway is - give the MBP enough RAM,
 then it should be alright either way. I'm running 4 GB of which
 I've set aside 1 GB for the Windows VM - and that's fine for
 CF, IIS and SQL Server for a dev. setup. Maybe give it 1.5 GB...
 
 Cheers
 Kai
 
> You should install Bootcamp and then install Parallels to run off the
> Boot Camp partition. That way you'll get the best of both worlds.
>   
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Sabir
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 8:20 AM
> To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
> Subject: [cfaussie] Parallels or Bootcamp?
>   
> Hi all,
>   
> We want to run a CF Server, IIS, and MS SQL Server 2005 on a Mac Laptop
> under a virtual environment. Does Parallels have enough grunt to achieve
> this? Or should I look at Bootcamp.. is Bootcamp stable enough?
>   
> thanks- Hide quoted text -
>   
>> - Show quoted text -
>> 
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] DNS lookups

[Sean Bucklar]

Quick question -

I want to query some NS, MX and A records to produce some reporting. Is 
there a good method of doing these sort of lookups from Cold Fusion? Do 
I need a custom tag (and if so, anybody know a good/free one?) or is 
there native functionality I can access that I just don't know about? 
Does anybody know of a good public web service or something I can just 
pass queries too?

Cheers
Sean

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[cfaussie] Re: Connection Pooling

[Sean Bucklar]

Charlie Arehart (lists account) wrote:
> OK, here's the longer note with some thoughts. 
> First, as for their recommendation to "revise your code and ensure that you
> are utilising connection pooling", it could be that your host is more
> familiar with .NET, Java, or other languages where one does indeed control
> pooling manually (in code). 
>   
The auto-message that Charlie received was drafted at a point in time 
when the majority of our user base were using ASP (mostly VBSCRIPT) and 
one of our more common code related issues was a failure to close 
database connections in code. Managing a very diverse environment we try 
and keep our alert notices universally applicable where possible.
> But there are indeed settings in the CF Admin that can affect this. No one
> has mentioned, but what are your settings related to connections for the
> DSNs in question? First and foremost, what about "maintain connections"? Do
> you have that enabled? If not, then you would indeed use more connections
> than needed. I do realize some argue against enabling it--but that will
> cause higher connection use and prevent pool reuse. 
>   
Mostly in case Chris was wondering, it is enabled. We enable it by 
default when we create a cfdsn unless specifically asked not to - 
largely to cut down on excessive connection consumption.

> It's the DSN connection setting for "limit connections" which, along with
> its "restrict connections to" value. That would seem just the solution here
> to restrict how many you create. Still, I saw Sean's later note that this is
> a rather high-volume site, so you will want to be careful in evaluating (and
> understanding) the impact of any such changes. You seem to be asking for
> ideas, though, which is why I write.
>
> Steven Erat of Adobe did a nice blog entry on this, including some case
> examples and recommendations, back in 2005 at:
>
> http://www.talkingtree.com/blog/index.cfm/2005/3/14/ConnPooling1
>
>   
That blog entry is lovely. There's been some dispute around the office 
on exactly what happens when the limit to N connections option is 
enabled and the N threshold is exceeded. Experimenting on Chris's v. 
popular production site seeming like a bad idea, building a test app was 
on my short list for today but that blog entry has saved me the effort. 
Having just had a chat to Chris, we've enabled that setting as it will 
in the very least reduce the quantity of errors.

> You had mentioned in an earlier note that you "might hit up the host for
> more info and check they have their CF Admin settings correct."  Let's hear
> what you have.
>   
Select method - Direct
Limit connections - Restrict connections to 35 (previously wasn't 
configured)
Maintain Connections
Max pooled statements 1000
Timeout 20 Interval 7
Login timeout 45 (previously 30)

My current plan is to tune to timeout and interval settings down if the 
errors persist further. I don't think that the application is currently 
exceeding the Max pooled statements - but I don't have any aversion to 
growing that value either.
> If it's just that your site is a higher volume CF site than your host is
> used to, and none of the above help, then perhaps there's nothing to be done
> other than to negotiate with them to let you use more connections, or change
> plans, or change hosts.
>   
A plan change is certainly possible. Chris is already using the packages 
at the top of our shared platform offerings, the next step up being a 
dedicated SQL instance. I'm sure he'd rather get more out of what he's 
already paying for then pay us some more money. While it's certainly an 
available option - we're more then happy to try and get him the most out 
of what he's already got.
> Hope that's helpful to you and others.
>   
It was certainly a big help to me. That blog link in particular is 
lovely - I failed at Google when I tried to find something of that 
nature yesterday.

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[cfaussie] L

[Sean Bucklar]

Having had a bit of a look - I agree that it's not his code - he's just 
got a fantastic site that's getting a pretty awesome volume of traffic - 
As far as I can tell, it's the most heavily trafficked Cold Fusion site 
on our shared platform and every now and then he's swamping the 
connection pooling enough that more then 35 concurrent connections are 
running. Other then some minor tuning of his queries - there's not much 
he could possibly have done except have a look at a dedicated SQL 
server. It says a lot about the quality of his application that it can 
handle as much traffic as it does from a shared platform to begin with.


Barry Beattie wrote:
> in that case my curiosity has been piqued...
>
> only closed connections can be returned to the pool, yes?
>
> what would be keeping a bunch of connections open?
>
> excessively long queries? a cftransaction gone silly? a trapped error
> running a query, taking too long to get resolved?
>
> pity it's not cf8 with monitoring tool. got SeeFusion handy?
>
> >
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Connection Pooling

[Sean Bucklar]

Barry,

I'd guess not. Assuming Chris hosts with who I think he does, it's an
auto generated notice from a threshold exceed alert on db monitoring.
It's not a reactive 'oh no, there's a problem, scapegoat someone!'
notice - it's proactive monitoring of a threshold determined by the
product level.

Alternately it's just a really simmilar alert notice to the one we
send out - and in that case I couldn't say why it was generated.

Cheers
Sean


On 9/21/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> are you sure they're not just picking on you and treating you as a
> scapegoat for some other problem?
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: MS Outlook Appointment Email Notification Using CF

[Sean Bucklar]

I'm a huge google fanatic - I love their suite and use the google 
calendars and thunderbird with the lightening extension to manage my 
personal calendaring - and I'm hanging out for the day that I can 
develop business solutions for clients using open source products and 
freeware solutions - but honestly - none of my business clients would go 
for a solution that involved using google calendars. Hell, very few of 
the people I would ever conceivably send a meeting invitation too would 
use google calendars in any professional sense. It's too much hassle for 
anybody but a geek to get the level of tool integration required to make 
it a viable alternative to outlook.

If anybody has an outlook compatible solution - I'd love to know about it.

Andrew Scott wrote:
>
> Very possible.
>
>  
>
> Google, calendars is maybe your best cheap solution. Or you could roll 
> your own .Net integration into Coldfusion to do the job as well. But 
> have a look at google calendars.
>
>  
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au 
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> *On Behalf Of *Claude Raiola
> *Sent:* Monday, 10 September 2007 11:03 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] MS Outlook Appointment Email Notification Using CF
>
>  
>
> Hi,
>
> In ms outlook i can create a meeting in my calendar and then invite 
> others to that meeting. Those invited are sent an email requesting 
> their attendance where the attendee can accept to attend by clicking a 
> button which then adds the appointment into their own calendar
>
> I am wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to mimic the 
> appointment email format created by outlook in cf.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Claude Raiola
> Websites:
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> www.WebSiteSolutions.com.au
> Mobile: 0414 228 948
>
>  
>
> 
>
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[cfaussie] Re: List/Menu Question.

[Sean Bucklar]

Treat it as a delimited list?


Freight.Description = ListFirst(form.shippingservice, ' - ');
Freight.Cost = ListLast(form.shippingservice, ' - ');



TJS wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of a simple solution to the
> following:-
>
>  
> 
> #Freight.Description# - #Freight.Cost#
> 
>  
>
> As you can see in the code above, a CFLOOP is being used to populate
> the options of a List/Menu inside a form.
>
> What I would like to do is put the #Freight.Description# and
> #Freight.Cost# into two seperate session variables.
>
> i.e:-
>
> 
> 
>
> At the moment, my single session variable includes both description
> and cost.
>
> Many thanks in advance to any suggestions.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Travis.
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[Sean Bucklar]

This is an example of why Majority Rule is a really great idea for 
politics. And not so much for other things. With the right survey group, 
I'm sure you could get a majority agreement that Lassie was an 
orangutan. That doesn't make it true.

OO is clearly defined. Armstrong's Quarks give an entirely reasonable 
and general guide to what makes a programming language OO. Cold Fusion 
ain't it.

Maybe you can apply OO concepts to Cold Fusion. Maybe you can classify 
frameworks when combined with custom code and style guides/practice 
reccomendations as an OO environment. But out of the box, CF is not OO. 
Most people who write CF code are NOT producing OO code. And the people 
who are using CF to produce something that you could conceivably argue 
is OO are a minority who almost universally inherited the OO mindset 
from another environment and then plugged the polyformatic peg into a OO 
shaped hole and called it a square.



Dale Fraser wrote:
> After reading a Blog Entry of Ray Camden, in a general comment, he made this
> statement.
>
> "CF is not OO. CF should NOT be OO. And lastly, I pray to God that CF never
> becomes OO."
>
> I didn't agree, I actually think ColdFusion is OO, and thought that view
> especially from Ray was odd, then I thought, well perhaps I have it wrong,
> perhaps CF is not OO and i'm the only one who thinks it is. So I ran a
> Survey, posted to both cftalk and cfaussie.
>
> The results are quite interesting.
>
> 1. Do you consider ColdFusion to be Object Oriented?
> Yes: 66%
> No: 34%
>
> 2. What percentage do you think ColdFusion achieves the ability to code OO
> style.
> 0-20%: 2%
> 20-40%: 4%
> 40-60%: 24%
> 60-80%: 44%
> 80-100%: 26%
>
> 3. Would you like the Adobe ColdFusion team to further develop ColdFusion OO
> features?
> Yes: 58%
> No: 42%
>
> 4. What is the number one feature missing from ColdFusion from an OO point
> of view?
> None / Pass: 52%
> Overloading: 16%
> Constructors: 10%
> Overriding: 4%
> Interfaces: 4%
> Multiple Inheritance: 2%
> Serialization: 2%
> Other: 10%
>
> That last one was free text, so I combined a lot of dumb answers into None /
> Pass and lots of single votes into Other. I consider that CF already does
> Overriding, but I left it in the stats and CF8 does Interfaces but I left it
> in also.
>
> But here is my summary of the survey
>
> Of the people surveyed 66% of people think that ColdFusion is an Object
> Oriented language, 70% of people think that the OO features are between
> 60-100%, just over half 58% of people think more development needs to be
> done and the main two things missing are Overloading and Constructors.
>
> So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so and am
> supported by the numbers, we here code our entire application in a OO way so
> to me it was a no brainer. You could read deeper that if Adobe just added
> Overloading and Constructors that the CF OO feel would be almost complete
> but then again 52% of people passed on what the main missing feature was.
>
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
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[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working

[Sean Bucklar]

This may have been mentioned before - but 
http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ is pretty useful for header 
analysis. Even if it was written by the Evil Empire (TM)

skateboard.com.au wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> Cflocation is all about the headers. Check the http headers being sent 
> to the browser. Compare what you are seeing between the working and non 
> working pages. If your browser does not give you easy access to this, 
> get another cf page to cfhttp the pages and dump the full headers that 
> way. Thats how I solved cflocation issues in the past anyway.
>
> cheers
>
> Drew 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:10:01 +1000
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working
>
>   
>> I havent had time to get at this for a few days now. It's very
>> frustrating because the code used to work fine.  It works fine on my
>> production site.It's only my dev machine that shows this problem.
>>
>> So I figured fine it's not the code, it's to do with the environment
>> then.  What have i changed?  Not IIS,  Not Apache, Not the Code, not
>> the database. - the only thing left is ColdFusion itself - i applied
>> the updaters to it.  That must be the culprit.
>>
>> Then someone suggested I try a page with only a CLOCATION tag in it,
>> and that threw my theory into a spin because it worked.  If my theory
>> was right (that the updaters had somehow broken the server)   it
>> shouldnt have worked.
>>
>> So I dont know where to go looking now.
>>
>> Perhaps i'll re-install ColdFusion and see where that gets me.   Maybe
>> i havent installed the updaters correctly or there was a hiccup during
>> the updaters application.  But i'm really clutching at straws here,
>> not really seeing what (apart from a broken CF Server) the problem
>> could be.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Kear
>> Windsor, NSW, Australia
>> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>> AFP Webworks
>> http://afpwebworks.com
>> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Have you tried line debugging the code to see what is actually
>>>   
>> happening? It
>> 
>>> might be something very obtuse..
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Scott
>>> Senior Coldfusion Developer
>>> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
>>> www.aegeon.com.au
>>> Phone: +613  8676 4223
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> >
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[cfaussie] Unable to retrieve collections from the Search Service.

[Sean Bucklar]

I've got a box reporting the following when I try and view the verity
collections menu in the cfadministrator.

Unable to retrieve collections from the Search Service.
Please verify that the ColdFusion MX Search Server is installed and running.

The search server is indeed up and running. I've restarted it a
several times. As well as the application server and the odbc server
for good measure with no impact on the error behavior.

The following tech note provided a cause and solution for this behavior.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=6c6881a9&pss=rss_coldfusion_6c6881a9

Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be applicable, and the suggested
resolution doesn't really work.

Has anybody come across this error and have a handy solution available?

Its a production server, so Ideally I'd prefer not to have to restart the box.

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[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.

[Sean Bucklar]

Wait... They might tell us something we want to hear? They might
provide us with useful information? That's not a compelling argument
for me to stay away from them.

I'm not an Adobe employee or shareholder. I have no commitment to
their brand beyond what the strength of their product dictates. I'm on
the list and interested in the UG's because hey - I think the product
is pretty strong. But I'm certainly not going to put my fingers in my
ears and avoid other ideas because they might be compelling.

End of the day - I'm going to use the best tool for my requirements
and project constraints. 90% of the time for me thats Cold Fusion, in
combination with Microsoft Databases or Microsoft Servers, to deliver
services to users on Microsoft workstations using Microsoft Browsers.
I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of things Microsoft could say to me
that would be useful and interesting - that wouldn't require any
significant changes in my platform.

But if they did have something to say that persuaded half the CF
community to shift to .net? That would be a big screaming sign to me
that I should go look at this .Net crap a bit more closely. Because
nothing I've seen about the platform should be that persuasive.

And if they have that kind of persuasion available - where we hold the
UG won't matter a bit.



On 3/13/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We care because of the agenda. If Microsoft want to just help CF community
> with the agenda to just push SQL and other complimentary products to CF then
> that would be fine. If the agenda is to push competing products then I think
> it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this.
>
> .NET has some compelling arguments, if half the CF community move to it as a
> result of MS push then we care
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Sean Bucklar
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:27 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
>
>
> What strings are you expecting them to attach?
>
> Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know
> that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain  their market
> share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag,
> broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment
> of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active
> assessment of their products, not the marketing crap.
>
> But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered.
>
> I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe
> fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start
> pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else.
>
> On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there
> > offices? with no strings attached?
> >
> >  Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City?
> >
> >  Cheers
> >  Gareth.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Scott Barnes wrote:
> >  Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho
> > theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :)
> >
> > I will buy your love hows that :)
> >
> > On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in
> a
> > place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer
> in
> > the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they
> > don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug
> their
> > laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like
> > Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible.
> >
> > We did discuss options for recording "off-line", using tools such as
> > Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're
> > talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to
> > have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big
> > (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to
> find
> > a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has
> no
> > time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it.
> I'll
> > understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to
> > offer the suggestions to other CFUG 

[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.

[Sean Bucklar]

What strings are you expecting them to attach?

Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know
that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain  their market
share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag,
broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment
of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active
assessment of their products, not the marketing crap.

But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered.

I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe
fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start
pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else.

On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there
> offices? with no strings attached?
>
>  Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City?
>
>  Cheers
>  Gareth.
>
>
>
>  Scott Barnes wrote:
>  Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho
> theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :)
>
> I will buy your love hows that :)
>
> On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a
> place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in
> the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they
> don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their
> laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like
> Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible.
>
> We did discuss options for recording "off-line", using tools such as
> Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're
> talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to
> have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big
> (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find
> a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no
> time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll
> understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to
> offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers.
>
> /Charlie
> http://www.carehart.org/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
>
>
> Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol...
>
> Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam?
>
> On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you "don't think
> it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content",
> what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or
> the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment?
>
> I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection,
> that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record.
> You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a
> concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for
> video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice.
>
> Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so
> it would be wonderful to see it recorded.
>
> /Charlie
> http://www.carehart.org/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Gareth Edwards
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
>
>
> Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online
> user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to
> record our user group meeting's content.
>
> Cheers
> Gareth.
>
> Charlie Arehart wrote:
>
>
>  Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat
> Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys
> need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like
> a very compelling presentation. :-)
>
> /Charlie
>
>
>  --
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.mossyblog.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: OT: Moving to Sydney

[Sean Bucklar]

Hi Max,

Most of those queries I'm no good for, since I'm from Brisbane (and
currently in Central NFLD, Canada), but for broadband provider
selection - check out the comparisons over at whirlpool.net.au (
http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-list.cfm?loc=2 )

On 12/17/06, Maximilian Nyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi dear group ;)
>
> This is really WAY off topic and I'm not sure if this appropriate for
> this forum.
> If it's not, please feel free to ignore it, or to tell me off
>
> Anyway, here we go... ;)
>
> I'm moving to Sydney (from Wellington) with my family first week of
> January and have a few questions.
>
> Who's the best services providers for:
> (Doesn't necessarily have to be the cheapest, even thought that would
> be nice too)
> - Broadband
> - Phone (land line and mobile)
> - TV/Cable
> - Electricity/Gas
>
>
> Also, we'll need stuff to fill our new home once we found one. So
> where's the best place for that? I know you guys have IKEA and I'm
> thrilled about that (since I'm from Sweden), but where else? EBay?
> And if anyone knows anyone who like to sell stuff, I will probably
> want to buy it ;)
> We might end up renting a furnished apartment, so I'm not sure how
> much furniture we going to need.
> But one thing that we'll definitely need a few monitors (two for me
> and one for my wife).
> And then there is all the other everyday stuff that one needs to setup
> a new home.
>
>
> I'm sorry to intrude on this group like this,but thank you for your time.
>
> Best regards,
> Max
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Cold Fusion Is Old Hat compared to php aps etc !!!!

[Sean Bucklar]

Just to be devils advocate for a moment, how are the figures for
domains with say .aspx or .php extensions looking?

My impression is that a simple doubling isn't keeping up with broader
market growth. I'd hate to be peddling shoddy statistics.

On 12/14/06, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have recently done some work scanning CF sites in the .au domain.  My
> client owns the list so I cannot share it with you, but I can tell you that
> in the three years since I last ran a scan like this, the number of domains
> including pages with a .cfm extension has almost DOUBLED.
>
> Yes there are more php and asp pages, but they are both free products and
> ColdFusion is not that far behind them (i.e. in the same order of magnitude
> of pages).
>
> Robin
> __
>
> Robin Hilliard
> Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd
> Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training
> http://www.rocketboots.com.au
>
> For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins:
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>
>
>
>  
>
>
> 
>  From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of claude
> raiola
> Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 8:55 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [cfaussie] Cold Fusion Is Old Hat compared to php aps etc 
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> A client commented that CF is old hat and behind the times its market share
> is diminishing beaten by asp, php and others
>
> A list of largely highly trafficked websites in cf would be helpful to prove
> this client wrong and champion the cf cause
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Claude Raiola
> B.Econ(Acc.); B.Hotel Mngt.
> Mobile: 0414 228 948
> Phone: 07 5538 5961
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>
> Websites:
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> www.AustralianAccommodation.com
> www.AccommodationNewZealand.com
> www.HospitalityPurchasing.net
> www.Samaris.net
>
>  >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?

[Sean Bucklar]

"Forget your mega budget push from Microsoft, I'm still
astounded/disgusted in the amount of hype that surounds the
RubyOnRails camp. did you know that 37Signals has done a deal with
Apple so the next version of OS-X comming out will have RonR included
on every copy, ready to install and run? sure you can still get it off
the website, but think of the kudos."

A (kind of broken) version of Ruby already ships with OSX. If you're
installing ROR on a mac you've got a couple of extra stages of dicking
around to complete the install.

I've been looking into ROR in regards to some of my price sensitive
clients for a while now. The overwhleming majority of Australian
business is SME, and its always an uphill battle to sell Bob on the
cost of CFHosting, or god forbid if Bob's application requirements
mean that a shared/relatively cheap hosting environment won't really
work out all that well.

I'd love to work with enterprise level clients who are keen to roll
out robust solutions with a budget where the spend money to save money
axiom holds water. But its oh so rare to find that sort of gig lately.

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[cfaussie] Re: WOT (THE): Ok, it's official, Soccer is a farse

[Sean Bucklar]

To quote the radio earlier this afternoon - Is there an Aussie playing
at Wimbledon? How long till the next origin match?

On 6/27/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soccer?
>
> whats that..
>
> Forgotten already.
>
> Actually I watched the brazil v australia game from munich
> and the australia v croatia game from an aussie bar in amsterdam awesome
> atmosphere
> then back to work today.
> I think I got off the soccer train at the right time lol
>
> M@
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/26/06, Chris Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FIFA Referees are poo heads.
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
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[cfaussie] Re: [OT] Hosting Brisbane

[Sean Bucklar]

www.webcentral.com.au - they are not cheap, but they have everything 
you're after. They can set up a round robin DNS config for you as
well. You want colo hosting in their Wickam St DC - they give you 24
hour access with a swipe card and biometric registration.

They also have TTL's set pretty low (15 minutes) and a 24 hour help
desk that can get DNS changes pushed through.

Disclaimer - I do have shares in the company, but I don't make any
money directly from you putting business through them.

On 2/23/06, Gary Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.pipenetworks.com.au/
>
> Of course, it all depends on what you want to spend and what you expect for
> your money - and whatever you mean by "flexible".
>
>
>
>
> On 2/23/06, Taco Fleur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good host in Brisbane that allows me to put one
> > of our clients servers in their data centre? I like a place where they
> > are a little flexible, not looking for the biggest but definately one
> > with redundancy and know what they are doing. On a side note, anyone
> > know of any DNS services that are a bit more advanced and for example
> > switch from one IP to another if the host is down?
> >
> > --
> > Taco Fleur - http://www.pacificfox.com.au
> > Web Design, Web development, Graphic Design and Complete Internet
> Solutions
> > an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 …
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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