[Chevelle-list] motor id
I have a small block motor that I would like to know where to get some info on. I went to mortec and it says that it is either a 350 or a 302. The numbers on the back are 3914678 and stamped on the front pad is VO5I4YS .. I was told it came out of a 68 camero... just curious. Thanks!!! Ðäññÿ .. Wilsher Motor Sports
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Hi Dale, By now you probably saw my previous message, which also said that I agree with you but in a different way (Even though I called you Brad. Sorry about that.). I think the main thing is to be realistic about what RPM you are trying to achieve 100% VE at. Most street-only cars don't ever see high RPMs. John Nasta -Original Message- John, I think we're agreeing, just in a different manner. :*) If you calculate for 100% VE and knowing you'll only get 75%-80%, no problem. Who makes a 362cfm (or whatever) carb anyway, right? What I was trying to get across was that if you calculate for a realistic cfm carb, you'll only overcarb a little bit (say a 390 Holley or 500 Edelbrock) instead of the 100% which might lead you to overcarb to say, a 700 or 750. Shoot, if everyone thought alike and built the same cars...we'd all be clones. :*) Dale McIntosh
RE: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child
When the popup appears, my IE crashes with a dialog box saying, "Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close." Clicking Close closes IE. If I ignore it and click the link, to view it I have to be a member of something and it'll only play for members. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709/NECOA #41 67SS/67 Elky DalesPlace My 67 SS and 67 El Camino ChevelleStuff Decoding info on 64-72 Chevelles Team67 1967 Chevelle/El Camino Specific MidwestChevelles Midwest Chevelle Show Information I've stopped 1,591 spam messages. You can too!One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard M. PruettSent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:55 PMTo: Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child Not a Chevelle item but, I couldn't help myself. http://ww0.adforum.com/popupwindow/PopupImage.asp?id=36175&TDI=VDrYRAtV&siid=14624&siid2=14625 If you don't laugh at this, you don't have a sense of humor. Rich
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
I've had 3 top notch mechanics tell me that the ARCO blend is not that good for your engine. I don't know much about the ARCO blend versus Shell, 76, Chevron, but I do trust the opinions and experience of these people. My 2 cents. Gene > > > Ed Riggins wrote: > > > > I guess they are never going to see my gas money then. I have a Shell > > and a Chevron and a 76. > > Ed > > Why would anybody buy those brands when ARCO is so much cheaper? > > -- > Dennis Kiernan > San Francisco >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child
that was pretty good.. lol Dan McIntoshPavement Scraping 1964 Impala SShttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Richard M. Pruett To: Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child Not a Chevelle item but, I couldn't help myself. http://ww0.adforum.com/popupwindow/PopupImage.asp?id=36175&TDI=VDrYRAtV&siid=14624&siid2=14625 If you don't laugh at this, you don't have a sense of humor. Rich
[Chevelle-list] Bilstein Shocks for sale
Hi Folks, I am brand new to this list. I have been "listening in" for a few days now and have been very impressed with the amount of knowledge and sharing. I have a '68 Chevelle-based street rod and am very interested in all of the discussions, but particularly those focusing on the mechanical aspects. My car is a '32 Ford PU street rod with a '68 Chevelle frame/chassis/running gear. My primary motivation in posting this message is I have a set of hardly used Bilstein shocks for sale. In view of their near newness I would like to get 70% of what I paid, which is likely less than the current price. The fronts are for a '64-'72 A-body, and the rear are listed for a '64-'88 A-body. I bought these shocks from Hotchkis about 2 years ago. My car does not get driven much at all; it mostly gets worked on. It never sees weather. The rears were used for only maybe 50 miles as they were evidenced to be too stiff for my application. With the PU configuration there is not much sprung weight on the rear. Hotchkis' price was $54.95 each, and I would like to get $38 each. The fronts have been used for about 1000 miles and I am selling them because I just purchased a QA1 coilover conversion kit. I was happy with the Bilsteins on the front but wanted the height setting aspect of the coilovers. Hotchkis' price for the fronts was $84.95 each, and I would like to get $60 each. The total for all four is $196. I would be willing to sell them all as a set for an approximate additional 5% off of that price, which is $186. This represents a total savings of $93.80 of my original price of $279.80, or 33.5%. Please email me off list if you are interested. I am at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also hope you will let me participate, even though my vehicle is not truly a Chevelle. I would gladly share any experience/knowledge I have accumulated, and I would surely benefit from this group's. Thanks, Fred
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
Ed Riggins wrote: > > I guess they are never going to see my gas money then. I have a Shell > and a Chevron and a 76. > Ed Why would anybody buy those brands when ARCO is so much cheaper? -- Dennis Kiernan San Francisco
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
Zieg wrote: > Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us > to > think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need > > to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the > marketplacenot sellers. I dont know what the oil companies are up to -- probably nothing good -- but $1.75 may actually be cheap. Somebody wrote a couple years ago: > I think that gasoline was around .32 per gallon in 1965 > (hi-test). Today right now hi-test is around $1.60 and that's only in the last few > months The Inflation Calculator says that, in general, what cost .32 in 1965 would cost $1.79 in 2002. Assuming the writer's memory about the 32 cents in 1965 (before the big oil crisis, wasn't it?) is correct, gas at $1.79 today wdnt be out of line. The writer also recalled: > Originally, a 1965 mustang was around $2500 for a v-8 model. > You could buy a new 1962 dodge 426 wedge with a 4-speed fpr $2200. How much is a new Mustang today?
Re: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child
it takes a while - Original Message - From: 65ss.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child Link didn't work for me. - Original Message - From: Richard M. Pruett To: Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child Not a Chevelle item but, I couldn't help myself. http://ww0.adforum.com/popupwindow/PopupImage.asp?id=36175&TDI=VDrYRAtV&siid=14624&siid2=14625 If you don't laugh at this, you don't have a sense of humor. Rich
Re: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child
Link didn't work for me. - Original Message - From: Richard M. Pruett To: Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Angry Child Not a Chevelle item but, I couldn't help myself. http://ww0.adforum.com/popupwindow/PopupImage.asp?id=36175&TDI=VDrYRAtV&siid=14624&siid2=14625 If you don't laugh at this, you don't have a sense of humor. Rich
[Chevelle-list] missing badly all of the sudden
My 72 malibu has been running great. It has the factory 307 2bbl in it. It has been missing a little here and there, usually when its hot, and in the afternoon/evening, and tonight was worse when I was on my way home. I took all the plugs out *(one at a time as to not mess up the wires) cleaned them, re-gapped them, and checked the plug wires. They looked ok except a little swollen about 3-4 inches from the plug. I took the cap off and cleaned the inside, this too looked in good shape as well as the rotor button. Well, after I did all this, took it for a ride and it was really bad. Just barely giving it any gas it starts sputtering and choking. I almost forgot, but the carb seems to be leaking a little also on the drivers side on the back corner where the seam is. Does anyone have any ideas to what this problem could be? It still has points and condensor, and I am ashamed to say I forget how to set these, it has been years since I did anything with points. Thanks in advance for your help, I have to have the car to drive to work in the am. It is a 30 mile each way drive. Deb
[Chevelle-list] Angry Child
Not a Chevelle item but, I couldn't help myself. http://ww0.adforum.com/popupwindow/PopupImage.asp?id=36175&TDI=VDrYRAtV&siid=14624&siid2=14625 If you don't laugh at this, you don't have a sense of humor. Rich
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
I know people are more intelligent than to fall for this... ...again http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blgasboycott.htm - Original Message - From: Zieg72 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices Subject: Gas Prices Join the resistance I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. ...<*snip*>...How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Judy Von Blon Executive Assistant to the Dean and Director The Ohio State University at Lima 4240 Campus Drive Lima, OH 45804 Phone: (419) 995-8481 Fax: (419) 995-8483 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-list] Spark plugs
Hey,I gap my plugs @ .060 w/ my HEI in my 70 big block - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Spark plugs You'll be fine with the same plug but you can open up the gap to .045" or .050" to effect a larger spark.Brad O. Hi Everyone..I recently switched from a points distributor to an Hei system on my 327.Should a person switch to a hotter spark plug as well.I am running the stock ac delco R44s in there right now.Will the Hei system burn out those stock plugs..???...Was just wondering ThanxJohn
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
I guess they are never going to see my gas money then. I have a Shell and a Chevron and a 76. Ed James Mountjoy wrote: > They are one and the same. ExxonMobile operates under > the brand names Exxon, Mobile, and Esso. I don't > recall ever seeing any within the city limits, but I > know there are several along I-80 across the bridge. > Not sure about down south though. > > I saw this email last year about this time. Don't > know about you all, but the way I figure it, gas is > pretty cheap compared to inflation (and outside the > U.S.) Don't get me wrong though! I was much happier > when it was consistently under a buck! > > - James > > --- Ed Riggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - > Does Exxon or Mobil control any other brand names of > gasoline? Idon't remember seeing them around the San > Francisco area and they haveno listings for staations > in the phone book > like Shell, Chevron, Etc. Also, do they have > affilliated brandsin foreign countries? Ed > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
They are one and the same. ExxonMobile operates under the brand names Exxon, Mobile, and Esso. I don't recall ever seeing any within the city limits, but I know there are several along I-80 across the bridge. Not sure about down south though. I saw this email last year about this time. Don't know about you all, but the way I figure it, gas is pretty cheap compared to inflation (and outside the U.S.) Don't get me wrong though! I was much happier when it was consistently under a buck! - James --- Ed Riggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Does Exxon or Mobil control any other brand names of gasoline? Idon't remember seeing them around the San Francisco area and they haveno listings for staations in the phone book like Shell, Chevron, Etc. Also, do they have affilliated brandsin foreign countries? Ed __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
John, I think we're agreeing, just in a different manner. :*) If you calculate for 100% VE and knowing you'll only get 75%-80%, no problem. Who makes a 362cfm (or whatever) carb anyway, right? What I was trying to get across was that if you calculate for a realistic cfm carb, you'll only overcarb a little bit (say a 390 Holley or 500 Edelbrock) instead of the 100% which might lead you to overcarb to say, a 700 or 750. Shoot, if everyone thought alike and built the same cars...we'd all be clones. :*) Dale McIntosh I've stopped 1,583 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:42 AM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question > > Right, you can calculate for 100% VE and you probably won't > get it, but if you calculate for 75% VE you definitely won't > get it. You probably wouldn't even get the 75% you think you > are trying to get because VE is influenced by more than just > the carburetor. > > Again, the key is to *be realistic* about what RPM you want > to try to get 100% VE at. This is precisely why a 600 CFM is > overkill on a 283 street engine. You would have to be running > at over 7000 RPM to attempt to get 100% VE. > > I still disagree with you. I think you should get the > carburetor that will give you 100% VE at a reasonable RPM > according to the formula. It's true that you might not get > the whole 100%, but I think you'll get a higher percentage > than you would out of a carb that you know in advance can't > give you more than 75% even with everything else being optimal. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > > My point is that you can calculate for 100% VE but, in > reality, you'll probably never achieve it in a day-to-day > car. So, why fool yourself into thinking you can run a > larger carb at a higher RPM than you can really use? > It's not a point of choosing a carb that'll only "get" you > 75%, it's choosing a carb that'll make the most of the 75% > you'll probably achieve. > Even at 80% to 85% VE with the same basic engine, you're > looking at 360cfm to 380cfm range. It's like selecting a > camshaft, bigger sounds better (i.e., .580 lift at 320º > duration) when a .490 lift and .295º duration will > make your car drivable. I'd just say to give it some > thought and don't run > out and buy the biggest or most popular combo out there...it > might not work for you. :*) > > Dale McIntosh > > I've stopped 1,542 spam messages. You can too! > One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > > > > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
Does Exxon or Mobil control any other brand names of gasoline? I don't remember seeing them around the San Francisco area and they have no listings for staations in the phone book like Shell, Chevron, Etc. Also, do they have affilliated brands in foreign countries? Ed Zieg72 wrote: Subject: Gas Prices Join the resistance I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here! 's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON, and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to, at least, ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Judy Von Blon Executive Assistant to the Dean and Director The Ohio State University at Lima 4240 Campus Drive Lima, OH 45804 Phone: (419) 995-8481 Fax: (419) 995-8483 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-list] Gas Prices
Subject: Gas Prices Join the resistance I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here! 's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON, and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to, at least, ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Judy Von Blon Executive Assistant to the Dean and Director The Ohio State University at Lima 4240 Campus Drive Lima, OH 45804 Phone: (419) 995-8481 Fax: (419) 995-8483 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-list] Chevelle Gearheads!!
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[Chevelle-list] Chevelle Gearheads!!
The new address is: http://hem.bredband.net/gearheads/index.html Best regards Pelle Andersson -- http://members.chello.se/gearheads/
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Keep in mind that most street-only cars w/ 3-speed automatics & 8 cyl engines (esp. big blocks) probably rarely exceed 4,000 RPMs. So, I think Brad is right in saying that most people need to dumb down the formula, but I think the answer is not to second-guess some imaginary minimized VE, but to be realistic about what RPM you want to try to get 100% VE at. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John C. Butler Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:05 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question WOW!..thanks everyone for all the information!..I will let you all know how it turns out...performance wise!..I really missed this list!!! Thanks Johnny
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
WOW!..thanks everyone for all the information!..I will let you all know how it turns out...performance wise!..I really missed this list!!! Thanks Johnny
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Sounds like Rochester should have taken a page from the mattress industry: "Do not remove this tag under penalty of law...!" I tried Googling "Rochester 4CG + rebuild kit" and got some useful-looking sites. I didn't have much time to look around, but I did find that GM used 4CGs on big block Cadillacs (390 and 421). Couldn't find 348/409. But, I owned two 348s, one with 3x2s and one with what my fading memory tells me was a 4CG or WCFB Carter. 409s? Beats me! I know 4CGs were used on low-power 327s -- 250hp? Bottom line: You're probably right. A 4CG might work fine on a low-energy 350. But if you're thinking about a snotty cam and Performer RPM, you'll need to be thinking heads, as well! And in an S10??? You are a nasty person, Brad, but I like your thinking! Good luck! Steve On 2/25/04 11:42 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately the 4Gs came with an attached aluminum tag that contained the > pertinent info, and the tags were prone to being damaged or disappearing. 8^( > I keep my eyes open at swap meets so maybe if I find one that still has its > tag I'll take a flyer on it. Of course, there's no guarantee it's the correct > tag! > > I don't know if 4Gs were used on 348s and 409s but if they were I think one > would be able to feed a low-RPM 350. Then again, the other thing I want to do > to this engine is stuff in an absurdly cam and top it with a Performer RPM or > single-plane intake... ;^) > > Brad >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Unfortunately the 4Gs came with an attached aluminum tag that contained the pertinent info, and the tags were prone to being damaged or disappearing. 8^( I keep my eyes open at swap meets so maybe if I find one that still has its tag I'll take a flyer on it. Of course, there's no guarantee it's the correct tag! I don't know if 4Gs were used on 348s and 409s but if they were I think one would be able to feed a low-RPM 350. Then again, the other thing I want to do to this engine is stuff in an absurdly cam and top it with a Performer RPM or single-plane intake... ;^) Brad > Makes sense to me, although I seem to recall hearing that these oldies were > getting expensive -- probably from someone who wanted to sell one to a > restorer. They can't be rare -- they made zillions of em. And just about > as many versions, each requiring a different rebuild kit! Were these carbs > stamped with ID numbers? If so, you might be able to narrow your search a little. > > I'd love to hear the results of your experiment, although strictly from the > standpoint of CFM, putting one of those little winkies on a 350 is sort of > like fitting a 2-barrel. Which makes it no less fun! > > SM > > On 2/25/04 10:10 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My experience has been that the older intakes are worth $$$ only to those who > > want or need them for a specific reason; I had a '64 WCFB intake and a '66 4G > > intake for a long time before finding people (both list members, incidentally) > > who were interested in them. Same goes for 4G carbs...which are still sitting > > in my basement, Gary! ;^) They're out there but not worth as much as you > > might think. > > > > I think from a performance standpoint the modern intakes and carburetors offer > > wider variety and better bang for the buck but the older stuff has a coolness > > that can't be duplicated. I'm half-tempted to rebuild one of my 4Gs (both of > > which are missing the tags so finding a kit might be tough), get a matching > > intake, and put them on my '77 C10 guinea pig (350) just to see what > > happens... > > > > Brad O.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Brad, Makes sense to me, although I seem to recall hearing that these oldies were getting expensive -- probably from someone who wanted to sell one to a restorer. They can't be rare -- they made zillions of em. And just about as many versions, each requiring a different rebuild kit! Were these carbs stamped with ID numbers? If so, you might be able to narrow your search a little. I'd love to hear the results of your experiment, although strictly from the standpoint of CFM, putting one of those little winkies on a 350 is sort of like fitting a 2-barrel. Which makes it no less fun! SM On 2/25/04 10:10 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My experience has been that the older intakes are worth $$$ only to those who > want or need them for a specific reason; I had a '64 WCFB intake and a '66 4G > intake for a long time before finding people (both list members, incidentally) > who were interested in them. Same goes for 4G carbs...which are still sitting > in my basement, Gary! ;^) They're out there but not worth as much as you > might think. > > I think from a performance standpoint the modern intakes and carburetors offer > wider variety and better bang for the buck but the older stuff has a coolness > that can't be duplicated. I'm half-tempted to rebuild one of my 4Gs (both of > which are missing the tags so finding a kit might be tough), get a matching > intake, and put them on my '77 C10 guinea pig (350) just to see what > happens... > > Brad O. > >> Without meaning to deflect the technical drift of this thread, I had a >> thought: >> >> Whatever happened to those old Carter (WCFB?) and Rochester (4CG?) >> four-barrels that I remember coming with up-rated 283s? They flowed far >> less than 600cfm -- nearer 400 or 450cfm, I think -- and seemed to do the >> business pretty well. >> >> But then, I suppose both these carbs and the manifolds designed for them are >> now collector's items and pricier than Fabrege eggs. >> >> SM >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
My experience has been that the older intakes are worth $$$ only to those who want or need them for a specific reason; I had a '64 WCFB intake and a '66 4G intake for a long time before finding people (both list members, incidentally) who were interested in them. Same goes for 4G carbs...which are still sitting in my basement, Gary! ;^) They're out there but not worth as much as you might think. I think from a performance standpoint the modern intakes and carburetors offer wider variety and better bang for the buck but the older stuff has a coolness that can't be duplicated. I'm half-tempted to rebuild one of my 4Gs (both of which are missing the tags so finding a kit might be tough), get a matching intake, and put them on my '77 C10 guinea pig (350) just to see what happens... Brad O. > Without meaning to deflect the technical drift of this thread, I had a thought: > > Whatever happened to those old Carter (WCFB?) and Rochester (4CG?) > four-barrels that I remember coming with up-rated 283s? They flowed far > less than 600cfm -- nearer 400 or 450cfm, I think -- and seemed to do the > business pretty well. > > But then, I suppose both these carbs and the manifolds designed for them are > now collector's items and pricier than Fabrege eggs. > > SM
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Without meaning to deflect the technical drift of this thread, I had a thought: Whatever happened to those old Carter (WCFB?) and Rochester (4CG?) four-barrels that I remember coming with up-rated 283s? They flowed far less than 600cfm -- nearer 400 or 450cfm, I think -- and seemed to do the business pretty well. But then, I suppose both these carbs and the manifolds designed for them are now collector's items and pricier than Fabrege eggs. SM On 2/25/04 9:41 AM, "John Nasta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right, you can calculate for 100% VE and you probably won't get it, but if > you calculate for 75% VE you definitely won't get it. You probably wouldn't > even get the 75% you think you are trying to get because VE is influenced by > more than just the carburetor. > > Again, the key is to *be realistic* about what RPM you want to try to get > 100% VE at. This is precisely why a 600 CFM is overkill on a 283 street > engine. You would have to be running at over 7000 RPM to attempt to get 100% > VE. > > I still disagree with you. I think you should get the carburetor that will > give you 100% VE at a reasonable RPM according to the formula. It's true > that you might not get the whole 100%, but I think you'll get a higher > percentage than you would out of a carb that you know in advance can't give > you more than 75% even with everything else being optimal. > > John Nasta > > > > -Original Message- > > My point is that you can calculate for 100% VE but, in reality, you'll > probably never achieve it in a day-to-day car. So, why fool yourself into > thinking you can run a larger carb at a higher RPM than you can really use? > It's not a point of choosing a carb that'll only "get" you 75%, it's > choosing a carb that'll make the most of the 75% you'll probably achieve. > Even at 80% to 85% VE with the same basic engine, you're looking at 360cfm > to 380cfm range. It's like selecting a camshaft, bigger sounds better > (i.e., .580 lift at 320º duration) when a .490 lift and .295º duration will > make your car drivable. I'd just say to give it some thought and don't run > out and buy the biggest or most popular combo out there...it might not work > for you. :*) > > Dale McIntosh > > I've stopped 1,542 spam messages. You can too! > One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > > > >
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Right, you can calculate for 100% VE and you probably won't get it, but if you calculate for 75% VE you definitely won't get it. You probably wouldn't even get the 75% you think you are trying to get because VE is influenced by more than just the carburetor. Again, the key is to *be realistic* about what RPM you want to try to get 100% VE at. This is precisely why a 600 CFM is overkill on a 283 street engine. You would have to be running at over 7000 RPM to attempt to get 100% VE. I still disagree with you. I think you should get the carburetor that will give you 100% VE at a reasonable RPM according to the formula. It's true that you might not get the whole 100%, but I think you'll get a higher percentage than you would out of a carb that you know in advance can't give you more than 75% even with everything else being optimal. John Nasta -Original Message- My point is that you can calculate for 100% VE but, in reality, you'll probably never achieve it in a day-to-day car. So, why fool yourself into thinking you can run a larger carb at a higher RPM than you can really use? It's not a point of choosing a carb that'll only "get" you 75%, it's choosing a carb that'll make the most of the 75% you'll probably achieve. Even at 80% to 85% VE with the same basic engine, you're looking at 360cfm to 380cfm range. It's like selecting a camshaft, bigger sounds better (i.e., .580 lift at 320º duration) when a .490 lift and .295º duration will make your car drivable. I'd just say to give it some thought and don't run out and buy the biggest or most popular combo out there...it might not work for you. :*) Dale McIntosh I've stopped 1,542 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/
Re: [Chevelle-list] Sad news
Henri, Hurry back to the list, we'll be waiting for ya.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Body OFF
Thank you Dave! Krister "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by:cc: (bcc: Krister Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fax to: evelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Body OFF 02/23/2004 11:21 PM Please respond to The Chevelle Mailing List I used the big block of wood just on the back floor brace first then I did the front floor brace. The balance point of the body is in front of the back tires up further from were I have the 4 X 4. Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ - Original Message - From: "Krister Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Body OFF Dave, How did you raise the body off the frame enough to slip the 4 X 4's between the frame and the body? Also with the 4 X 4 just in front of the rear wheel well, I'm wondering how much balance there was - a little weight on the front 4 X 4 or adequate as to keep the body from tipping off the back? Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s matching I Removed the body from the frame on the 1968 chevelle I am doing right now. There was questions on how to do it before so I took some step by step pictures. The only tools used are heavy duty jack stands, 4x4 posts, some other wood, 3 ton floor jack and taking your time doing it.When done I also tie the 4x4 together. I only have a double garage. If wanting to see the pictures they are on the 1968 chevelle restoration under frame. Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/
Re: [Chevelle-list] 66 Chevelle Cam Swap
Just something to keep in mind... If the engine block is a 1965 or 1966 casting, be sure that you have the appropriate groove machined in the rear cam journal. Most cam manufacturers offer this service, but a decent machine shop should be able to machine the groove as well. Here is an excerpt from Federal Mogul's website: "Finally, it is important to note that 1965 and 1966 engines require that a 3/16" groove be machined into the center of the rear cam journal for proper lubrication. Absence of this groove will result in engine failure. Use the 1404M cam bearing set if using a grooved journal cam in a later model block." Source: http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/content/front/0,2194,2442_897063_6915,00.html Hope this helps, Aaron Weaver 1967 SS 396 Atchison, KS > > From: "Rob S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/02/24 Tue PM 11:27:05 GMT > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Chevelle-list] 66 Chevelle Cam Swap > > I need to change out the cam in my 396. I basically want to go with a > milder, closer to stock cam for better drivability. Can I do this with the > motor in the car? It appears as though the radiator and grill will have to > come out, and since I need to replace the grill anyhow, that's not too big a > deal. Anything else I should know that would be a con to doing it in the > car v. pulling the motor? Your personal experiences are appreciated! > Thanks. > > > > Rob S. > > 1966 SS396 Convertible > > http://www.geocities.com/rte66ss/ > > > > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Spark plugs
You'll be fine with the same plug but you can open up the gap to .045" or .050" to effect a larger spark. Brad O. Hi Everyone..I recently switched from a points distributor to an Hei system on my 327.Should a person switch to a hotter spark plug as well.I am running the stock ac delco R44s in there right now.Will the Hei system burn out those stock plugs..???...Was just wondering ThanxJohn Hi Everyone..I recently switched from a points distributor to an Hei system on my 327.Should a person switch to a hotter spark plug as well.I am running the stock ac delco R44s in there right now.Will the Hei system burn out those stock plugs..???...Was just wondering ThanxJohn
RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Not my numbers, John. Holley states that an ordinary low-performance engine has a VE of about 80% at 'maximum torque' and a high-performance engine at about 85%. http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechServ/TechInfo/TI-224.html Other sites say between 80% and 90% is typical for a normally aspirated engine. http://www.auto-ware.com/combust_bytes/eng_sci.htm http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-VolEff.htm http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/020529.htm This guy went so far as to calculate his on a 99 Z/28. http://www.installuniversity.com/install_university/installu_articles/volume tric_efficiency/ve_computation_9.012000.htm - came out with just a shade over 76% My point is that you can calculate for 100% VE but, in reality, you'll probably never achieve it in a day-to-day car. So, why fool yourself into thinking you can run a larger carb at a higher RPM than you can really use? It's not a point of choosing a carb that'll only "get" you 75%, it's choosing a carb that'll make the most of the 75% you'll probably achieve. Even at 80% to 85% VE with the same basic engine, you're looking at 360cfm to 380cfm range. It's like selecting a camshaft, bigger sounds better (i.e., .580 lift at 320º duration) when a .490 lift and .295º duration will make your car drivable. I'd just say to give it some thought and don't run out and buy the biggest or most popular combo out there...it might not work for you. :*) Dale McIntosh I've stopped 1,542 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:01 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question > > What you are supposed to do is *be realistic* about what max > RPM you will be running at, and find the CFM that will get > you 100% VE at that RPM. Using the formula to find a carb > that will get you 75% VE at your max RPM kind of defeats the > purpose of using the formula if you ask me. > > Now, it's true that there are factors other than the > carburetor that contribute to whether or not you are getting > 100% VE at max RPM, but that doesn't mean you should choose a > carburetor that will guarantee you not to get better than 75%. > > John Nasta > > -Original Message- > > But...you're lucky to get 75%-80% VE on any given street > engine. :*) A normal street 283 isn't going to see the high > side of 5500 and live very long either, to be honest. > So...in the real world > > 283 * 5500 / 3456 = 450. Multiply that times 75% and you get > 338. Of course, there are always exceptions and VE can vary > - but not much. :*) > > > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Sad news
Sorry to see it happen.To me it is a joy just restoring these fine automobiles. But you appreciate these cars more than most now and you know what to look for the next one. Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ - Original Message - From: "H. Kwakkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chevelle List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:52 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Sad news > Hi, > > I finally decided to sell my Chevelle. It is really with pain in my hart to > let her go, but it is the best thing to do. > I bought my Canadian build 66 Malibu 230 about 1.5 years ago after a search > for this model of about 2 years. They are really scarce here in Holland. > I was planning on doing a complete body-off including new engine (396) etc., > when my garage was finished. Now I have finished my garage (30ft x 20ft) and > I have now found out that I really don't have the time. > My job and the promod dragrace team (we just bought a 706 Fulton engine!!) > take up a lot of time. > The Malibu is in bad shape, bad running engine, rotted floors, rusted > a-pillars and hood, trashed interior etc., so it would be a major job. > Because of my budget I cannot afford a 66 in good shape, so I went for a > less popular model which I really like as well. Two weeks ago I bought a > 1972 Pontiac Grand Safari with 455. It is in good shape except for the > paint. > Although I don't have a chevelle at this moment, which I hope will change in > a few years, I hope I'm still welcome on this list as I enjoy it really > much. > > Henri > The Netherlands > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > >
[Chevelle-list] Sad news
Hi, I finally decided to sell my Chevelle. It is really with pain in my hart to let her go, but it is the best thing to do. I bought my Canadian build 66 Malibu 230 about 1.5 years ago after a search for this model of about 2 years. They are really scarce here in Holland. I was planning on doing a complete body-off including new engine (396) etc., when my garage was finished. Now I have finished my garage (30ft x 20ft) and I have now found out that I really don't have the time. My job and the promod dragrace team (we just bought a 706 Fulton engine!!) take up a lot of time. The Malibu is in bad shape, bad running engine, rotted floors, rusted a-pillars and hood, trashed interior etc., so it would be a major job. Because of my budget I cannot afford a 66 in good shape, so I went for a less popular model which I really like as well. Two weeks ago I bought a 1972 Pontiac Grand Safari with 455. It is in good shape except for the paint. Although I don't have a chevelle at this moment, which I hope will change in a few years, I hope I'm still welcome on this list as I enjoy it really much. Henri The Netherlands --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004
[Chevelle-list] Buiding real toys
I thought some of use might need this stuff also. There is a collection of 1965,1966,1967and 1969. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=raisingrust1&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 I have also been working on the newest Hot Rod. Welding in new metal for floors, braces etc. DaveIngersoll,OntarioMy web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/
Re: [Chevelle-list] Malibu Carb question
Be cautious of what manifold you use on a 283-2 barrel engine. It was pointed out to me that these have small ports so some manifolds aren't a good match. see Team Chevelle engine forum: http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=011698 It's occurred to me that any recent small block parts are really intended for 350's; just a gut feeling, not a conspiracy theory. I was shopping for Edelbrock C3B or C4B manifolds (for nostalgic look and oil fill pipe) but I decided to buy an Edelbrock S.P.2-P instead. I'm going to use either a 390 or a 450 Holley, might try both and see which I like better. At the pace things move at around here, might be next year before I can say which I used. :( Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA
Re: [Chevelle-list] Crank storage
Ok thanks, Then I'll learn how to treat them better in the future. thanks ! André > Andr'e > I will ask my engine builder again about race cranks and what he meant by the > fact that they could be damaged lying down. > John 66 >
