Passed DQoS [7:59951]

2002-12-30 Thread THANGAVEL VISHNUKUMAR MUDALIAR
Hi Group,

Today I passed the DQoS exam with this I complete the Cisco IP Telephony
Support Certification.

About the exam it is the easiest of the 3 exams in this track.You have 90 min
to answer 60 questions and passing score is 720.

Kind Regards/Thangavel
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RE: FR Low Latency Queuing (LLQ) [7:59820]

2002-12-30 Thread YASSER ALY
Hi Ivan,

Comments within lines

From: Ivan Yip Hi All, I am a little bit confused about LLQ. Below
is my understanding after digesting some documentation and feedback from
others. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

1. LLQ=PQ+CBWFQ and PQ is defined by using 'priority'

You are correct.

2. if using 'bandwidth', then I'm not using LLQ. What I'm using is
CBWFQ.

You are only allowed to use the priority keyword with the PQ where its
main concern is to forward packets as fast as it can. That's why no queue
size is configured for it. As your main concern is latency so once the
defined bandwidth you assigned for the PQ using the priority keyword is
reached the PQ will start dropping immediately. The point here is:
Dropping a voice packet is better than delivering it delayed - from the
voice quality prespective -

 

You start using the bandwidth keyword with the rest of the classes
defined to indicate the usage of CBWFQ. Also you will need to use WRED in
order to define min_threshold, max_threshold, and how fast you drop from
each class via the exponentianl value defined.

3. PQ (from LLQ) defines the min. and max. guaranteed bandwidth to the
traffic I defined during congestion.



Not necessary during congestion. PQ is treated separetly from the CBWFQ
to gurantee low latency for this type of traffic even in normal
situations. Imagine a voice packet waiting for a long data packet to be
transmitted. This will make the voice packet delayed - i.e. degradation
in voice quality which we don't want to happen - this will lead to the
fact that you will need to configure LFI to avoid long data packets
delaying your voice.

Also, do I need to define the class-default under policy? 
eg,policy-map 1  class 1  priority 80  class class-default 
fair-queue 

What's the difference if I'm not defining the class-default?

Yes you need doing so. But when you do so you will also define the
min_threshold, max_threshold of this class default. After all traffic
classified in default class is not sentitive at all for delay and more
packets could be kept in its queue without a noticable degradation in
performance.

For example:

Policy-map out

 class A

   Bandwidth percent 50

   random-detect

   random-detect exponential-weighting-constant 3

   random-detect precedence 3  2  5  1 

 class class-default

   fair-queue

   random-detect

   random-detect exponential-weighting-constant 2

   random-detect precedence 0  6 18 1

 

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DLSW+ Please help!!! [7:59953]

2002-12-30 Thread H
I'm sure this question has been asked a million times, but the archives
aren't giving me the answer I'm looking for.  I have spent hours on this,
yet I still couldn't configured out what went wrong...

WorkstationA -- RTA --- Frame-Relay Switch --- RTB -- WorkstationB

When I initiate traffic by clicking on Network Neighborhood, I can see the
MAC
addresses showing up from the show bridge command  show dlsw
reachability  I
can also see the DLSW peers' states as Connect.  Yet the circuit keeps on
getting
to the CKT_START state (as shown below), then the circuit will disappear,
and I
just can't see the other computer via Network Neighborhood.

RTB#sh dlsw circuits
Index   local addr(lsap)remote addr(dsap)  state  uptime
788529156   000a.5d6e.57fa(F0)  000a.209d.a221(F0)
  -
RTB#

On the log, I see this suspicous error message:-

Dec 30 21:27:22.323 UTC: CSM: Peer lf 516 less than CUR_cs lf 1500

And I have tried to change the MTU on the main Serial interface to 3000,
4000, 150 on RTA, B  Frame Switch, but no luck


Anyway, here are some other show outputs...

RTA#sh bridge

Total of 300 station blocks, 298 free
Codes: P - permanent, S - self

Bridge Group 1:

Address   Action   Interface   Age   RX count   TX count
0050.ba76.ea5f   forward   DLSw Port01  4  0
0050.04b9.4584   forward   FastEthernet0/0   0  7  0
RTA#

RTB#sh bridge

Total of 300 station blocks, 298 free
Codes: P - permanent, S - self

Bridge Group 1:

Address   Action   Interface   Age   RX count   TX count
0050.ba76.ea5f   forward   Ethernet0 1  4  0
0050.04b9.4584   forward   DLSw Port00  4  0
RTB#



RTA#sh dlsw peer
Peers:state pkts_rx   pkts_tx  type  drops ckts TCP
uptime
 LLC2  Se0/0.1   120 CONNECT174   160  conf  00   -
00:46:53
Total number of connected peers: 1
Total number of connections: 1

RTB#sh dlsw peer
Peers:state pkts_rx   pkts_tx  type  drops ckts TCP
uptime
 LLC2  Se0   121 CONNECT159   170  conf  00   -
00:46:14
Total number of connected peers: 1
Total number of connections: 1


Here are the config for my routers...

For RTA-

dlsw local-peer peer-id 1.1.1.1 promiscuous
dlsw remote-peer 0 frame-relay interface Serial0/0.1 120
dlsw bridge-group 1

interface Loopback0
 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255

interface FastEthernet0/0
 no ip address
 speed 10
 half-duplex
 bridge-group 1

interface Serial0/0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 no fair-queue
 frame-relay lmi-type cisco
!
interface Serial0/0.1 multipoint
 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
 no ip split-horizon eigrp 2001
 frame-relay map llc2  120 broadcast
 frame-relay map ip 172.16.1.5 110 broadcast
 frame-relay map ip 172.16.1.6 120 broadcast

router eigrp 2001
 passive-interface FastEthernet0/0
 network 1.0.0.0
 network 172.16.0.0
 no auto-summary

bridge 1 protocol ieee


As for RTB:-

dlsw local-peer peer-id 3.3.3.3
dlsw remote-peer 0 frame-relay interface Serial0 121
dlsw bridge-group 1

interface Loopback1
 ip address 3.3.3.3 255.255.255.255

interface Ethernet0
 no ip address
 bridge-group 1

interface Serial0
 ip address 172.16.1.6 255.255.255.0
 encapsulation frame-relay
 no fair-queue
 clockrate 64000
 frame-relay map llc2  121 broadcast
 frame-relay map ip 172.16.1.5 121 broadcast
 frame-relay map ip 172.16.1.1 121 broadcast
 no frame-relay inverse-arp

router eigrp 2001
 network 3.0.0.0
 network 172.16.0.0
 no auto-summary
 no eigrp log-neighbor-changes

bridge 1 protocol ieee


Did I do anything wrong???

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: FR Low Latency Queuing (LLQ) [7:59820]

2002-12-30 Thread THANGAVEL VISHNUKUMAR MUDALIAR
Hi,

Please encure that  LLQ( when u use Priority command) is supported on
following IOS

LLQ on Frame-Relay  supported on Ver 12.1(2)T(Your config has frame-relay)
and on other interfaces u need 12.0(7)T...





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Subject: FR Low Latency Queuing (LLQ) [7:59820]


Hi,

I would like to configure QoS by using FR LLQ. I have the following network
test lab.

pc1 --|
  ---router1FR network-router FTP server
pc2---|

I want to test the LLQ feature, ie, fixed bandwidth allocated to certain
taffic.

I tested with the following steps
1. upload from pc2 to FTP server to make the FR PVC congested.
2. then upload from pc1 to FTP server
If no qos defined, the bandwidth will roughly equally shared.
(This was tested and OK)
3. Then I define the LLQ on router1 to guarantee the bandwidth from PC1 by
'bandwidth' or 'priority' and test ftp upload again.

Configuration is below:

class-map match-all 1
  match access-group 20

policy-map 1
  class 1
   bandwidth 80 or priority 80 (** define 80k to this policy)

interface Serial0/0
 bandwidth 128
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay IETF
 load-interval 30
 no fair-queue
 frame-relay traffic-shaping
 frame-relay lmi-type ansi
!
interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point
bandwidth 128
ip address 10.114.0.14 255.255.255.252
 frame-relay interface-dlci 200
  class llq1

map-class frame-relay llq1
 frame-relay traffic-rate 128000 128000
 no frame-relay adaptive-shaping
 frame-relay cir 128000
 frame-relay bc 1280
 frame-relay be 0
 frame-relay mincir 128000
 service-policy output 1

access-list 20 permit 192.168.10.2 (ip address of pc1)

However, when I use 'bandwidth 80', I found the average throughput from pc1
will have around 80k but the traffic rate is vary from time to time.
(somtimes 100k and sometimes 50k). Why?

Even worse, if I use 'priority 80', the traffic from pc1 can only have
average around 30k during link congestion. Why?

Also, the ping delay from pc1 to router2 and pc2 to router2 are almost equal
(either bandwidth or priority). I expected that the ping from pc1 will get
better response as the bandwidth was guaranteed.

Anyone can give me some hints on above questions?

Thanks in advance.

rgds,
ivan
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RE: Query on VOIP [7:59933]

2002-12-30 Thread ss ss
One important info I missed out is that I am making a call from the dialer
program on my pc to a regular telephone in the PSTN network.The destination
is able to hear my voice on his speaker(PSTN phone) but I am not able to
hear his voice on my headset connected to my PC.Hope this gives some
clarity... ss ss wrote:
 
 Hello all!!
 
 I am working for a carrier company who uses ip network
 consisting of Cisco Routers to transport voice calls.The
 company deals mainly with pre-paid calling cards.The customer
 buys the card and dials a toll free no. to make a voice call or
 makes a call thro a dialer program(Installed on the pc) which
 sends the calls thro the ip network.When i make a call from a
 dialer on a pc which has a dialup connection,then absolutely
 there is no problem. But when I make a call from a pc which is
 on the Home LAN then only the destination party is able to hear
 my voice.I am not able to hear their voice.We r not using any
 firewalls as of now in the home  but may go for it in the
 future.Nat has been configured on our home router and we hv a
 DSL connection to the ISP.I am not able to figure out the
 problem.can someone help me in identifying the problem
 
 Thanx in advance..
 
 Cheers
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STP and CDP Ethernet Frames use 802.3 format - Why? [7:59956]

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can anyone explain the above and why they do not use the Ethernet_II format?


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RE: why con 0 password doesn't work?? [7:59938]

2002-12-30 Thread Walker, James - Is
Don't use 7 on the password line.

You also need a 'login' command.



Line con 0

Password xxx

login




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Subject: why con 0 password doesn't work?? [7:59938]


Hi..  Dear Group,

I would like to know why console password doesn't work.  I key in my console 
password in the following manner. But when I plug in the console, it 
straight away give me a switch prompt. Why it never prompt me passord 
before showing us switch

line con 0
password 7 XXX


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Re: STP and CDP Ethernet Frames use 802.3 format - Why? [7:59958]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 12:14 PM + 12/30/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone explain the above and why they do not use the Ethernet_II format?

Many thx


Well, I can't say exactly why the developers did do it, but it's 
reasonable to assume that newer protocols are being implemented using 
the newer 802.3 than the DIX Ethernet specification.  The changes in 
802.3 (assuming 802.2 is also used, not as in IPX), do clean up a 
problem or two in Ethernet_II




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Problem 7206 PA-A3-OC3 and Multilink E1 [7:59959]

2002-12-30 Thread Alfredo Pulido
Hello people,
I have a problem in my 7206 when I insert a Port Adapter ATM OC3 (PA-A3-OC3)
in the chassis, then the Multilink of E1's is down.

This device has a PA-8T-V35, in this PA is possible run E1 connections, and
PA-FE-TX.
In this router there are 5 E1 connections, 3 E1 connections are group in a
multilink, and the others 2 E1 aren't group.
So the router run perfectly, but the problem take place when I insert the
PA-A3-OC3, the Multilink E1 is down.

Can anybody help me?

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RE: coutom queuing [7:59824]

2002-12-30 Thread alaerte Vidali
Unfortunatelly I donĀ“t think there is one that do not require a login.

Here is an example that summarizes the explanation:

For example, there are 3 flows, with the following packet size:
A - 1000 bytes
B - 1000 bytes
C - 1000 bytes

The required bandwidth is:
A = 20 % 
B= 50%
C= 30%

The question is how to convert the percentage bandwidth in Byte Count.

Divide the bandwidth by the packet size:
20/1000=0.02   
50/1000=0.05   
30/1000=0.03

Normalize the numbers:
0.02/0.02 = 1 
0.05/0.02 = 2.5
0.03/0.02 = 1.5

Round up the numbers:
1
3
2

Multiple this number by the packet size
1 * 1000 = 1000
3 * 1000 = 3000
2 * 1000 = 2000

These numbers means that the system should transmit 1000, 3000 and 2000 from
each queue, respectively, to achieve 20, 50 and 30%.




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Re: need enable password when have secret pw? [7:59944]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:34 AM + 12/30/02, Kenny Smith wrote:
Hi.. When I was setting up my router configuration. It prompts me for secret
password and enable password. But I want to how why I still need enable
password when I have the enable secret?  When I type Enable, i will be
required to type in my secret password. Then when the enable password will
be used???

Sorry for such a simple question..
Thanks

No, it's not a simple question.  The two passwords were introduced to 
deal with some legacy IOS implementations that didn't understand the 
secret password encryption. The real question is whether any of those 
implementations are still in use.

Now, when I write a lab, I use enable password, because there isn't a 
security issue and it's useful not to have to memorize the password. 
Indeed, when I write semi-automated labs, I require standard password 
strings so the test shell can execute standard scripts.

In production networks, however, I only use enable secret.  I haven't 
seen any problems with this in years.




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Re: Boson Exam for CIPT [7:59924]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:49 AM + 12/30/02, The Long and Winding Road wrote:
Howard C. Berkowitz  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  At 3:00 AM + 12/29/02, Lan Wong wrote:
  Greetings,
  
snip some things

  I'll also throw out a general question. A post not long ago asked to
  compare the labs of one vendor versus another, and I am affiliated
  with one of the two. The question was which is better, and, if I
  responded, I would have said they really can't be compared directly,
  because they are designed for different learning objectives.

  Would such a comment from the designer be acceptable?  In other
  words, no direct competitive analysis, but just a statement of the
  design philosophy?  While I think such information would be useful,
  I'd rather not see it posted that trigering a series of mine is
  better than yours posts.

OK, Howard, I'll bite on this one, especially as seeing we had some
conversation off line on this very topic.

Actually, I meant it for offline, but as long as it's here, I think 
it's a worthy discussion.  Let me talk about the way I personally 
design labs that are not labeled CCIE Lab Practice.

My approach is to focus on one technology at a time, and then the 
interactions of that technology with others.  This works especially 
well in a situation where you have additional study material -- and, 
before anyone jumps to conclusions about commercial products, this is 
how I developed advanced classes that I did both independently and 
with training partners.

In my classroom advanced routing course (mostly OSPF), I did the bulk 
labs differently than most Cisco courses.  Rather than splitting into 
teams and doing a reasonably complete scenario, after each lecture 
concept, I'd have them type a few configuration statements before and 
after doing show commands, and possibly a debug once they were 
configuring.

Hypothetical example:

show routes, show protocols
router OSPF with one network statement
show routes, show protocols, show ip ospf database and other 
OSPF displays

start debug on the local router and a second router
on a second router, bring up OSPF on an interface that doesn't 
connect to the first router, and do the various displays.
start OSPF on an interface that connected to the other router, 
and watch what happens.

While this is going on, display either the live displays or 
prerecorded ones with comments on the classroom screen. Discuss with 
the class what they are seeing.

-
During this exercise, people have been configuring within single 
areas. I may then ask them, on their own, to establish full 
connectivity within their areas, but not to bring up backbone 
interfaces.

--
Now, again walk through the process of inter-area connectivity.
--
Do some form of summarization
--
Take a break or lunch, during which I break some of the 
configurations and make it a troubleshooting exercise on their return

**
Several writers of study guides (e.g., Satterlee and Hutnik) do 
things along these lines. Other vendors of scenarios provide varying 
amounts of study materials -- perhaps no more than links to the 
documentation CD -- but do not immediately start with a CCIE-like 
multiprotocol lab.

**
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with writing CCIE-like multiprotool 
labs.  Just know they serve a different learning objective than the 
CCIE practice lab.


I for one would love to see some interaction between the various purveyors
of CCIE Lab prep materials regarding their products and the thought
processess behind them. Not a sales pitch, but rather a discussion of the
kinds of things that are included in their labs, why, and what skill set
they believe is necssary for the attainment of the CCIE.

As I said privately, I don't know how much ice anything I say might cut, as
I have not succeeded as yet. But if I were asked today, I would say that
there are just a couple of keys - mastery of the core topics which are
pretty much discernable from any of the practice lab workbooks, or from
Caslow, and then also a GOOD Lab methodology, or game plan. I can't say much
about the core topics publicly because it could be construedas an NDA
violation, but anything regarding game plan is fair game.

Caslow's methodology is brilliant, although, as he suggests, it's 
much like the organization of a graduate school seminar (flash back 
to CCIE vs. degree discussion). My approach uses some of those same 
skills, but also uses a lot of the what problem are you trying to 
solve. I recognize that CCIE is not a design test, but I do think 
the ability to abstract the process independently of the 
configuration is very useful.


BTW, I am not so sure I agree that lab writing is a CCIE skill set. I'd like
you to elaborate more on why you believe that the ability to write a good
lab is indicative of CCIE level skill. Maybe some other folks have some
thoughts on this as well.

Well, 

RE: Possible Attack???? [7:59813]

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unfortunetly I cant share anything else not because I dont want to but
because these machines are owned by another customers.  I am planning on
following up with my customer to see if he can get some info from his
customer in regards to what happend.  Once I know I will post it.  Thanks
again.




Thanks, 

Mario Puras 
SoluNet Technical Support
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-Original Message-
From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Possible Attack [7:59813]


Sounds like you used a good method to track down the compromised machines
(Sun Spark Stations.) Can you tell us anything more about what had happened
to them? Had someone installed a Trojan Horse or something?? Are there any
URLs that describe the attack. I tried to find some last night but didn't,
but maybe with more info you have found some.

I think it would help us all to know more if you can share more. Thanks for
what you've told us so far!

Priscilla

([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I was finally able to track down the infected PC's (yes, more
 than one).
 Below is a brief description of what occurred and the fix. 
 First, thanks to
 all that responded to me.  
 
 As previously mentioned, I had an attack on a customer of mines
 network that
 was showing up as follows:
 
 SrcIfSrcIPaddressDstIfDstIPaddressPr  SrcP
 DstP  Pkts
 Fa0/1127.0.0.124 Se1/2.500108.122.0.0 00  
   285
 
 
 The above capture is just 1 of a few hundred packets similar to
 it and all
 coming from a different source address on the 127.0.0.0
 network.  The amount
 of traffic was so large that at times it peaked to over 20MB
 and as a result
 it overran my WAN interfaces causing BGP to flap / reconverge. 
 Just when
 BGP got a chance to come back up and learned all 115000 routes,
 the attack
 occured again and the links would flap.  
 
 Pingging the 127.0.0.x IP address from the edge router where
 the attack was
 initially spotted did not give me any replies.  All I got were
 U.  I was
 also not able to ping the broadcast address as all it gave me
 was U
 (unreachables) as well.  There was no ARP entries on that
 router for that
 IP.  I ended up enabling Netflow on the edge router (what you
 see above) in
 order to get more detail of what was going on.  I got to see
 what interface
 it was coming in on so I applied an access-list on the router
 to filter out
 these packets. That allow the router and bgp to stabilize.  The
 next thing
 was to move on to the switch that was connected to this FA0/1
 interface.
 This switch has a router module,  I ended up doing the same
 thing as I did
 on the edge router except this time I also connected to the sc0
 interface
 and I enabled one port as the mirroring port on the switch and
 placed a PC
 with Etherreal to monitor everything that was destined to
 108.122.0.0 and I
 finally got a MAC address.  I issued the show CAM command on
 the switch and
 it told me where it came from which was another switch.  I
 moved on to that
 other switch. The MAC address that was being reported was the
 MSM route
 module of that switch.  I enabled netflow on it as well and I
 was able to
 see the vlan that the attack was coming on and the VLAN where
 it was
 destined to.  Luckily there were only 2 PCs (Sun Spark
 Stations) on that
 vlan and both were compromised.  I removed them from the
 network and all is
 well.  I did also have MRTG which help some with identifying
 when the attack
 was going on and what direction it was coming on and with the
 ports that
 were being most heavily utilized.  This network is pretty big
 so it was
 difficult to monitor all the ports that were suspects.  Thank
 you all again
 for your help.  
 
 As far as the runt packets are concerned, to tell you the
 truth, I noticed
 that but did not pay to much attention to that part of the
 Netflow output
 since I was all wrapped up on tracking down where these packets
 were coming
 in from.   Right now packets with size of 1-32 account for
 about 50% of all
 traffic. 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks, 
 
 Mario Puras 
 SoluNet Technical Support
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 888.449.5766 (USA) / 888.SOLUNET (Canada) 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Possible Attack [7:59813]
 
 
 Not sure if this will help, but you could enable ip accounting
 on the
 uplink interface to the switch.  Watch for the address that is
 pouring
 out the most requests. Then use sho ip arp x.x.x.x to find the
 mac
 address.  From there you could go to the switch and do a show
 cam
 dynamic or if IOS version, show mac-address-table with the mac
 address
 found with the most requests.  This would hunt down the culprit
 machine
 without a person walking to each 

Re: Boson Exam for CIPT [7:59924]

2002-12-30 Thread MikeS
Howard, I second the vote for a discussion.. assuming all parties can keep
it civil and not have degenerate into the *mine is better then yours*...  I
know different vendors have different goals and ways to obtain the goals
with their products. It would interesting to hear about the differences.

MikeS

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Re: Group Study [7:59923]

2002-12-30 Thread Reza
Hi Shahin,
My name is Reza and I am also in Northern Virginia area (Reston) and working
on my CCIE (RS).  I noticed that you want to work with some one who is
interested in CCIE Security, Do you have your CCIE RS already or just
interested in security?.

Look forward to hear from you.
Thanks
Reza

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RE: Possible CDP bug? Check it out! [7:59929]

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Carroll
Try setting the speed on the router interfaces. I've run into this before
where the Ether ports were still trying to negotiate the speed even though
the switchport may be hard set to 10 / full.


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ISDN over DLSW [7:59967]

2002-12-30 Thread Hunt Lee
Hi Group,

I am very very confused about DLSW over ISDN.  I tried to simulate the CCO
example
at:-

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/tech/tk331/tk336/technologies_tech_note0
9186a0080093ecb.shtml

Firstly, by following the example exactly, I managed to get everything to
work.
However, according to Solie (p923),  I have also read up lots of GroupStudy
posts,
in order for ISDN to work with DLSW, one would need these keywords on both
ISDN
routers:-

keeplive 0 on Local-peer statement
Timeout 90 on Remote-peer statement

Yet on this CCO e.g., neither of these are used.  Why

Second Question, to make matter worse, after I have tried to put these two
keywords
on the 2 ISDN routers, RTA don't even dial to RTC anymore...

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

On RTA - Tatiasaurus (Loopback int - 1.1.1.1 for simplicity)

dlsw local-peer peer-id 1.1.1.1 keepalive 0
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 2.2.2.2 timeout 90
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 3.3.3.3 backup-peer 2.2.2.2 timeout 90
dlsw bridge-group 1


RTB - Diplodocus (Loopback int - 2.2.2.2)

dlsw local-peer peer-id 2.2.2.2
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 1.1.1.1
dlsw bridge-group 1

RTC - Tanius (Loopback int - 3.3.3.3)

dlsw local-peer peer-id 3.3.3.3 keepalive 0 promiscuous
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 1.1.1.1 timeout 90
dlsw bridge-group 1


Thanks.

H.




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Re: IOS Feature Codes / Image Naming Convention [7:59907]

2002-12-30 Thread MADMAN
Actually several years back the K designation was what is now refered 
to as J or Enterprise, D was IP, IPX and Appletalk or Deasktop.

   oh the simple daze...

  Dave

s vermill wrote:
 Please take special note of the k feature set.  Someone had a sense of
 humor but was apparently found out.
 
 a
 a APPN 
 a2 ATM 
 a3 APPN replacement 
 
 b 
 b Appletalk 
 boot boot image 
 
 c  
 c Comm-server/Remote Access Server (RAS) subset (SNMP, IP, Bridging,IPX,
 Atalk, Decnet, FR, HDLC, PPP, X,25, ARAP, tn3270, PT,
 XRemote, LAT) (non-CiscoPro) 
 c CommServer lite (CiscoPro) 
 c2 Comm-server/Remote Access Server (RAS) subset (SNMP, IP, Bridging,IPX,
 Atalk, Decnet, FR, HDLC, PPP, X,25, ARAP, tn3270, PT,
 XRemote, LAT) (CiscoPro) 
 c3 clustering 
 
 d 
 d Desktop subset (SNMP, IP, Bridging, WAN, Remote Node, Terminal  
 Services, IPX, Atalk, ARAP)  
 (11.2 - Decnet) 
 d2 reduced Desktop subset(SNMP, IP, IPX, ATALK, ARAP) 
 diag IOS based diagnostic images 
 
 e 
 e IPeXchange (no longer used in 11.3 and later)  
 - StarPipes DB2 Access - Enables Cisco IOS to act as a Gateway to  
 all IBM DB2 products for downstream clients/servers in 11.3T 
 eboot ethernet boot image for mc3810 platform 
 
 f 
 f FRAD subset (SNMP, FR, PPP, SDLLC, STUN) 
 f2 modified FRAD subset, EIGRP, Pcbus, Lan Mgr removed, OSPF added 
 
 g 
 g ISDN subset (SNMP, IP, Bridging, ISDN, PPP, IPX, Atalk) 
 g2 gatekeeper proxy, voice and video 
 g3 ISDN subset for c800 (IP, ISDN, FR) 
 
 h 
 h For Malibu(2910), 8021D, switch functions, IP Host 
 hdiag Diagnostics image for Malibu(2910) 
 
 i (used for image names of platforms c2500 and larger)  i IP subset (SNMP,
 IP, Bridging, WAN, Remote Node, Terminal Services)
 i2 subset similar to IP subset for system controller image (3600) 
 i3 reduced IP subset with BGP/MIB, EGP/MIB, NHRP, DIRRESP removed. 
 i4 subset of IP (5200) 
 ipss7 IP subset with SS7 (2600) 
 
 j 
 j enterprise subset (formerly bpx, includes protocol translation)  
 *** not used until 10.3 *** 
 
 k 
 k kitchen sink (enterprise for high-end) (same as bx) (Not used after
10.3)
 k1 Baseline Privacy key encryption (On 11.3 and up) 
 k2 high-end enterprise w/CIP2 ucode (Not used after 10.3) 
 k2 Triple DES (On 11.3 and up) 
 k3 56bit SSH encryption 
 k4 168bit SSH encryption 
 k5 Reserved for future encryption capabilities (On 11.3 and up) 
 k6 Reserved for future encryption capabilities (On 11.3 and up) 
 k7 Reserved for future encryption capabilities (On 11.3 and up) 
 k8 Reserved for future encryption capabilities (On 11.3 and up) 
 k9 Reserved for future encryption capabilities (On 11.3 and up) 
   
 
 
   
 l 
 l  IPeXchange IPX, static routing, gateway 
 
 m 
 m RMON (11.1 only) 
 m Catalyst 2820-kernel, parser, ATM signaling, Lane Client, bridging
  
 
 n 
 n IPX  
 
 o 
 o Firewall (formerly IPeXchange Net Management) 
 o2 Firewall (3xx0) 
 o3 Firewall with ssh (36x0 26x0) 
 
 p 
 p Service Provider (IP RIP/IGRP/EIGRP/OSPF/BGP, CLNS ISIS/IGRP) 
 p2 Service Provider w/CIP2 ucode 
 p3 as5200 service provider 
 p4 5800 (Nitro) service provider 
 p5 Service Provider (6400 NRP) 
 p7 Service Provider with PT/TARP (2600, 3640) 
 
 q 
 q Async 
 q2 IPeXchange Async 
 
 r 
 r IBM base option (SRB, SDLLC, STUN, DLSW, QLLC) - used with  
 i, in, d (See note below.)  
 r2 IBM variant for 1600 images 
 r3 IBM variant for Ardent images (3810) 
 r4 reduced IBM subset with BSC/MIB, BSTUN/MIB, ASPP/MIB, RSRB/MIB removed. 
 
 s 
 s source route switch (SNMP, IP, Bridging, SRB) (10.2 to 11.1) 
 s Additions by Platform via PLUS packs
 c1000 (OSPF, PIM, SMRP, NLSP, ATIP, ATAURP, FRSVC, RSVP, NAT) 
 c1005 (X.25, full WAN, OSPF, PIM, NLSP, SMRP, ATIP, ATAURP, FRSVC, RSVP,
 NAT)
 c1600 (OSPF, IPMULTICAST, NHRP, NTP, NAT, RSVP, FRAME_RELAY_SVC)  
 AT s images also have: (SMRP,ATIP,AURP)  
 IPX s images also have: (NLSP,NHRP) 
 c2500 (NAT, RMON, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 c2600 (NAT, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F, VOIP and ATM) 
 c3620 (NAT, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) In 11.3T added VOIP 
 c3640 (NAT, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) In 11.3T added VOIP 
 c4000 (NAT, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 c4500 (NAT, ISL, LANE, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 c5200 (PT, v.120, managed modems, RMON, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 c5300 (MMP, VPDN, NAT, Modem Management, RMON, IBM) 
 c5rsm (NAT, LANE and VLANS) 
 c7000 (ISL, LANE, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 c7200 (NAT, ISL, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 rsp (NAT, ISL, LANE, IBM, MMP, VPDN/L2F) 
 
 t 
 t AIP w/ modified Ucode to connect to Teralink 1000 Data (11.2) 
 t Telco return (12.0) 
 
 u 
 u IP with VLAN RIP (Network Layer 3 Switching Software, rsrb, srt, srb,
 sr/tlb)
   
 
 v 
 v VIP and dual RSP (HSA) support 
 v2 Voice V2D 
 v3 Voice Feature Card 
 v4 Voice (ubr920) 
 
 w 
 w WBU  Feature Sets
 i IISP 
 l LANE  PVC 
 p PNNI 
 v PVC trafffic shaping 
   
 w2 Cisco Advantage ED train Feature Sets
 a IPX, static routing, gateway 
 b Net Management 
 c FR/X25 
 y Async 
 
   
 w3 Distributed Director Feature Sets 
 
 x 
 x X.25 in 11.1 and earlier releases and on c800 in 12.0T 
 x FR/X.25 

BCSI/CCNP Study Partner [7:59969]

2002-12-30 Thread Chiasa Aonuma
Looking for a serious, dependable, reliable, honest, smart, literate, etc.
study partner with *high* levels of motivation. Think we can do a full CCNP
in six months?

Looking for BCSI study partner(s), and if it gels well, CCNP study
partner(s), in the San Francisco area. Not much into driving in this
traffic, so someone in the city would be preferable.

You *must* have lab equipment to share. I bring 2x2501, 2x2621, 2x2924,
1x3640, and lots more Cisco and Sun gear to the table. I have ADSL with five
static IPs. I am always adding new pieces to my lab.

Please have something that adds to the lab besides another 2501, and please
have more than just a couple pieces of equipment. I don't like bearing the
sole burden of providing equipment for others to practice on.

I can host sometimes, but be aware of limited space, a newborn in the house,
a wife with some attitude, and horrible street parking availability. You
must be able to host at least equal time.

Please write and let me know what your goals are, your location and
availability, and your equipment list.

Looking to start mid- to late-January.


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Study Product Design Discussion [7:59970]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Well, as a first step to civility, I've changed the name of the 
thread to something neutral.


At 3:19 PM + 12/30/02, MikeS wrote:
Howard, I second the vote for a discussion.. assuming all parties can keep
it civil and not have degenerate into the *mine is better then yours*...  I
know different vendors have different goals and ways to obtain the goals
with their products. It would interesting to hear about the differences.

MikeS




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Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59971]

2002-12-30 Thread Bolton, Travis D [LTD]
Team,

I was just having a discussion with a co-worker about how companies lay
cable across the pond and how they troubleshoot cable splices etc.  Does
anybody have any documentation or Video they can share on this?   We're just
curious on how all this works.  If you do this type of work let me know.
Thanks in advance.

Travis Bolton 
Web Media
CCNP,CCDA

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Re: Passed DQoS [7:59951]

2002-12-30 Thread Mac
Sounds like they have cleaned up this exam alot.
When I took the exam it was disgusting, full of errors. In a few instances
there were questions with no possible correct answers.
Congratulations.. on to the next - never ends huh ;)

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RE: STP and CDP Ethernet Frames use 802.3 format - Why [7:59956]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
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 Can anyone explain the above and why they do not use the
 Ethernet_II format?

STP comes from IEEE as does 802.3. It would have been politically messy for
IEEE to ask the DIX consortium for an EtherType when they were busy
obsoleteing the DEC/Intel/Xerox (DIX) Ethernet standard, with help, of
course, from DEC, Intel, and Xerox.

Also, the industry thought Ethernet II would go away, just like we thought
TCP/IP would be replaced by OSI. We were wrong, of course. It refused to die
because IP uses it. Newer protocols don't use it though.

802.3 is considered somewhat superior because it has a length field, which
Ethernet II does not have. With Ethernet, the chipset doesn't know it's hit
the end of the frame until it hears silence.

CDP actually uses 802.3 with 802.2 and SNAP. By the time CDP came out, the
IEEE was no longer assigning 802.2 Service Access Points (SAPs). It's a
one-byte field, so they were worried about running out. So newer protocol
use a SNAP SAP (0xAA) and withing the SNAP header include a two-byte type
field.

Priscilla


 
 
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RE: NAT in the Doc CD -- Where?? [7:59811]

2002-12-30 Thread Ellis, Andrew
Not the Doc CD but it should contain what you need:

http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/PSP/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:NAT

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/556/12.html#2

Drew

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Hello, I've been trying to find info. about NAT in the Doc Cd under the
Command and Config. Guides. I tried under the Security Section but cannot
seem to find any. Is there some other place in the Doc Cd that I could
find config. examples on NAT?I am using the Online Doc Cd on CCO.Thank
you for your help.Sincerely,CN



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Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread James Gruggett
Hi Everyone,

I have a 1700 Cisco router connected to a T1. I would like to lock it
down and only allow port 80 to transmitt data for security purposes.

Any suggestions would be great.


Thanks

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help [7:59976]

2002-12-30 Thread Hadi, Firass A.
I am working on my CCNA test and need all the materials/questions regarding
to this test.


Firass Hadi




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RE: Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread Sabertech Cisco Training
To allow out only traffic sourced from TCP port 80:

!
access-list 100 permit tcp any eq 80 any
!
interface serial 0
 ip access-group 100 out
!

That's how you would do it, but it's extremely unusual
to suppress traffic based on source ports...




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Hi Everyone,

I have a 1700 Cisco router connected to a T1. I would like to lock it
down and only allow port 80 to transmitt data for security purposes.

Any suggestions would be great.


Thanks

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Re: help [7:59976]

2002-12-30 Thread John Neiberger
ALL of the materials??  Wow, that's going to be tough, but here you go:

www.cisco.com 

Good luck,
John

 Hadi, Firass A.  12/30/02 1:54:22 PM 
I am working on my CCNA test and need all the materials/questions
regarding
to this test.


Firass Hadi




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Re: Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread Brian
so, no other outbound traffic at all, nothing else from the corp lan?  You
want people on the lan to be able to web surf or do you want to run a web
server and allow that traffic thru?  Just want to dbl check.

Bri


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 down and only allow port 80 to transmitt data for security purposes.

 Any suggestions would be great.


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SNMP on Cisco 2621 [7:59980]

2002-12-30 Thread Pedro do Valle
Hi everybody...

I configured SNMP in my cisco2621, but I can4t obtain information about it.
I have this message...

SNMP Error:
no response received
SNMPv1_Session (remote host: ip.of.remote.host [ip.of.remote.host].161)
  community: public
 request ID: 1982719325
PDU bufsize: 8000 bytes
timeout: 2s
retries: 5
backoff: 1)
SNMPGET Problem for sysDescr sysContact sysName sysLocation sysObjectID on
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I have snmp-read port enabled in my firewall. . .
in another routers it is working. . .
this is my border router and it is in my external net
What can I make to solve that problem?
Thanks
Pedro




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Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]

2002-12-30 Thread bergenpeak
Interesting question.  Some thoughts from someone that does have a PhD
in CS (dissertation in networking, a dozen or so publications, a handful
in IEEE journals).  I initially went into gradual school to teach and do
research, but after spending two summers during grad school as an intern
in industry, realized that I was much more interested in working in
industry than staying in academia.  When I completed my PhD, I took a
job in
industry.

Much like John mentions, comparing the two is like comparing apples
and oranges.  The material covered in each area is very different.  A
PhD is much more theory oriented and there's a lot more of the why
types
of thinking.  Obviously, this sort of questioning is needed and helps
lead
one to dissertation topics and an actual research question.  Besides the 
initial reading list you get from your advisor, you're on your own to
find related research, develop your ideas, verify that your work is
unique,
and then get it published before someone else stumbles across the same
idea.  
And note, there are several hoops one needs to go through to get a PhD,
and
failing any one of these can cause you to get booted from your program. 
In order, these steps are: 

1) pass your prelims which are a test of breadth of knowledge in all the
main areas in your subject area.  The way prelims where structured where
I
went to school, we had test and pass in 4 of 5 core areas (systems,
languages,
theory, algorithms, and architecture) and 4 non-core areas (networking
fell into
this space)

2) pass your comprehensives (comps, test that you have detailed
knowledge in the area you intend to do research).  The format for comps
is often a series of probing verbal questions asked by each member of
your
comittee that you answer in real-time.

3) pass your proposal (this is where you propose the topic/question you
intend to research/solve.  Besides a verbal defense, this requires a
failry
extensive document be written which details the existing research space,
and how
your work will fit in, etc.) 

4) do the research and write up your dissertation

5) defend your dissertation.  It's often easiest to prove your
dissertation is
worthy of a degree if you have many peer reviewed publications, so add
lots of publications to step 4 above.

I don't have a CCIE, so can't say for sure, but here's my take on doing
the exams up to and including the CCIE written.  Everyone gets the list
of
books to read, and if you know the information in these references,
you'll
pass the tests.  Note that with commercial study guides, practice labs,
practice tests, and courses geared specifically to pass these tests,
there's
plenty of external help available to help make it through the CCIE
written.
As far as I know, as long as your willing to pay, you can take the tests
over and
over again until you pass.   This aspect is not true when working on a
PhD.

The CCIE lab does seem to be a much more robust evaluation mechanism as
it appears to require much more on your own sort of preparation.   

Using the framework above, the tests up through a CCIE written might
fall into
something like the prelims.  But prelims cover a much wider range of
material.

One might be able to classify the CCIE lab sort of like the comps one
takes
in working towards a PhD.  I don't think I'd classify the CCIE lab as
equivalent
to a PhD as there's a lot more required in doing a PhD than knowing a
lot about
some specific area.

So which path should one take?  I think it depends.  Having a HS diploma
and
a CCIE most likely will not open doors for one to teach at a
univerisity.  On
the other hand, having a PhD doesn't necessarily mean one can design an
enterprise
let alone an ISP network.

I'd suggest balance.  Get a four year degree and supplement with a
CCNP.  Work
for a while.  Determine if it makes sense from a job/career perspective
to move
on to a MS/PhD or onto a CCIE, or neither, or both






John Neiberger wrote:
 
 MS- or PhD-level coursework is more difficult than what you'll run into
 studying for the CCIE, but they don't really cover the same subject
 matter so it's really apples and oranges.  I personally don't even have
 a BS--which I regret--but it wouldn't help much in my current position
 anyway, except possibly for promotions or raises, which is important,
 but it wouldn't help me do my job any better.
 
 IMO, someone who pursues an MS or PhD is not planning on remaining a
 network technician for long; they probably have loftier goals.  A CCIE
 with no degree, on the other hand, likely enjoys the technical side of
 things.  I often heard it lamented that many CCIEs who are loving life
 as senior engineers end up being placed into management positions that
 they hate.  Just because someone is advanced in a technical area does
 not necessarily make them management material.  OTOH, someone with an MS
 or PhD is quite often management material, but not necessarily the first
 person you'd call with a general networking question.  That 

Re: need enable password when have secret pw? [7:59944]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
selcuk wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 if you set the enable secret then enable password is useless
 
 regards

I think the issue was that you could boot up into an older version of IOS
and it wouldn't understand enable secret which is newer than enable. Without
the enable password, someone could make changes. For example, you could boot
into ROMMON mode which likely does have an older version of IOS.

Priscilla

 
 Kenny Smith wrote:
 
 Hi.. When I was setting up my router configuration. It prompts
 me for secret
 password and enable password. But I want to how why I still
 need enable
 password when I have the enable secret?  When I type Enable, i
 will be
 required to type in my secret password. Then when the enable
 password will
 be used???
 
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RE: Way OT - help desk [7:59946]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I guess they shouldn't have been running the Simple Network Access Kerberos
Emulation (SNAKE) protocol! :-)

Priscilla

Jenny McLeod wrote:
 
 I came across this on a completely non-IT mailing list. 
 Thought some might be amused by it.
 
 An interesting tech support problem...
 
 The phone rings: tech support: hello computer tech support 
 customer: hello my computer was making a strange hissing noise
 last night and this morning when I turned it on there was a
 crackling noise and some smoke then nothing, if I bring it in
 can you fix it?
 
 The problem?  See http://www.uq.edu.au/education/extra/all.html
 ...
 
 JMcL
 




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RE: help [7:59976]

2002-12-30 Thread John Neiberger
In that case there are a number of companies from which you can get
study materials:

Boson  (More tests than you can shake a stick at)

IPExpert  (Mostly CCIE prep but they have some other good stuff)

CertificationZone  (Good stuff for all levels)

Hello Computers (Good stuff for all levels)

CCBootcamp (mostly CCIE stuff but they're branching out)

CCxxProductions (Lots of stuff for all levels)

In addition, just about any study guide in book form includes a CD with
study tests on it.  Find one of those and go through it.  It would be
worth the small investment.

Regards,
John

Disclaimer:  I have done work for CertificationZone.  I'm hoping I've
included enough other vendors to avoid being flamed.  :-)

 Hadi, Firass A.  12/30/02 2:24:11 PM 
may be I should be more cleared in my message but I am looking for
sample
tests so I know which area i am weak and which area i am strong. 
thanks.

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ALL of the materials??  Wow, that's going to be tough, but here you
go:

www.cisco.com 

Good luck,
John

 Hadi, Firass A.  12/30/02 1:54:22 PM 
I am working on my CCNA test and need all the materials/questions
regarding
to this test.


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RE: Study Product Design Discussion [7:59970]

2002-12-30 Thread Jenny McLeod
Going back to something from the previous thread...
(LaWR wrote...)
BTW, I am not so sure I agree that lab writing is a CCIE skill set. I'd
like
you to elaborate more on why you believe that the ability to write a good 
lab is indicative of CCIE level skill. Maybe some other folks have some 
thoughts on this as well. 
(Howard responded...)
Well, maybe not commercial-grade lab writing, but if you can't write 
a lab with functions that build on one another, how are you going to 
get inside the minds of the lab developers? 

JMCL: So Howard, does that mean that you feel that lab writing is a skill
set required to pass the CCIE lab, rather than necessarily being a skill set
that a CCIE should have?  Or do you feel that lab writing is a skill set
that is also useful in a commercial environment (not a
certification-oriented environment, but an enterprise design/troubleshooting
environment, say)?

Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
 
 Well, as a first step to civility, I've changed the name of the 
 thread to something neutral.
 
 
 At 3:19 PM + 12/30/02, MikeS wrote:
 Howard, I second the vote for a discussion.. assuming all
 parties can keep
 it civil and not have degenerate into the *mine is better then
 yours*...  I
 know different vendors have different goals and ways to obtain
 the goals
 with their products. It would interesting to hear about the
 differences.
 
 MikeS
 
 




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Re: Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread James Gruggett
I was running an exchange server and someone hacked in. I am trying to
secure the network. What do you reccomed?

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RE: Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I am thinking of this correctly and thinking from the Point of View of
the packet, traffic that leaves my PC leaves with a random source port to a
well known (most of the time) port such as port 80.  So I think that the eq
80 needs to go after the second any to signify destination port of 80 as
such:

access-list 100 permit tcp any any eq 80




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To allow out only traffic sourced from TCP port 80:

!
access-list 100 permit tcp any eq 80 any
!
interface serial 0
 ip access-group 100 out
!

That's how you would do it, but it's extremely unusual
to suppress traffic based on source ports...




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Hi Everyone,

I have a 1700 Cisco router connected to a T1. I would like to lock it
down and only allow port 80 to transmitt data for security purposes.

Any suggestions would be great.


Thanks

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RIP holddown timer [7:59989]

2002-12-30 Thread bergenpeak
Reading Doyle's V1 book.  Page 195 mentions that when an update with a
hop count higher than that in the routing table is received for a route,
the route will go into holddown for 180 [sic] seconds (three update
periods).

In the cisco page (below) for the timers basic command, the page
states that ...A route enters into a holddown state when an update
packet is received that indicates the route is unreachable. The route
is marked inaccessible and advertised as unreachable...

It would seem that the explaination on the cisco site is correct and
the Doyle text is incorrect.  

Could someone confirm or explain what Doyle might be refering too?

Thanks



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RE: Study Product Design Discussion [7:59970]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Jenny McLeod  formed electrons to say:


Going back to something from the previous thread...
(LaWR wrote...)
BTW, I am not so sure I agree that lab writing is a CCIE skill set. I'd
like
you to elaborate more on why you believe that the ability to write a good
lab is indicative of CCIE level skill. Maybe some other folks have some
thoughts on this as well.
(Howard responded...)
Well, maybe not commercial-grade lab writing, but if you can't write
a lab with functions that build on one another, how are you going to
get inside the minds of the lab developers?

JMCL: So Howard, does that mean that you feel that lab writing is a skill
set required to pass the CCIE lab, rather than necessarily being a skill set
that a CCIE should have?  Or do you feel that lab writing is a skill set
that is also useful in a commercial environment (not a
certification-oriented environment, but an enterprise design/troubleshooting
environment, say)?

The former.  I'm not saying that you should be able to write 
commercial study product grade lab scenarios to pass the CCIE exam, 
but I think it's a very good preparation for the lab test to try to 
anticipate what the test developers might to. Let me put it this way 
-- when I was studying for academic tests, one of my tricks was to 
write what would be the essential material to cheat -- and then leave 
that sheet at home.  It forced me to think in the test designers mind.

In contrast, when I do skills testing in a commercial environment, 
it's completely different. Open-book and indeed open-internet for 
one.  Also, when I interview, I try very hard to pose a question that 
either is a research problem, or something I would not reasonably 
expect the applicant to know. I tell them I don't expect an exact 
answer, but I'd like to discuss the way they would approach coming up 
with an answer.




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Re: SNMP on Cisco 2621 [7:59980]

2002-12-30 Thread Bob Sinclair
Pedro,

If you issue  show snmp  it should indicate snmp packets received and sent.
Is the router receiving?  The same show command will also show snmp errors.
Can you issue the show snmp command and share the results?

-Bob


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Subject: SNMP on Cisco 2621 [7:59980]


 Hi everybody...

 I configured SNMP in my cisco2621, but I can4t obtain information about
it.
 I have this message...

 SNMP Error:
 no response received
 SNMPv1_Session (remote host: ip.of.remote.host [ip.of.remote.host].161)
   community: public
  request ID: 1982719325
 PDU bufsize: 8000 bytes
 timeout: 2s
 retries: 5
 backoff: 1)
 SNMPGET Problem for sysDescr sysContact sysName sysLocation sysObjectID on
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I have snmp-read port enabled in my firewall. . .
 in another routers it is working. . .
 this is my border router and it is in my external net
 What can I make to solve that problem?
 Thanks
 Pedro




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Re: Boson Exam for CIPT [7:59924]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
We should also ask developers how they test their labs. An untested lab
won't work. Most developers learn this the hard way. I've worked with many
developers who have learned it the hard way over and over and over again
and still insist on creating lab steps that they don't test. It won't work
for at least two reasons:

The commands won't work as expected.
The instructions to the human won't work as expected.

In a course development class I took a few years ago, the instructor had us
try a fun experiment. We teamed up in pairs. One person in each pair made a
snowflake by folding and cutting a piece of paper, like we probably all did
in kindergarten. This person also wrote instructions on how the other person
could create an identical snowflake. The developer handed over the
instructions and was not allowed to say a word while the tester tried it out.

As you can imagine, no two snowflakes came out the same! The human tended to
do all sorts of things that the course developer didn't expect. Add that to
the fact that the hardware and software will do unexpected things also, and
you will understand my axiom:

An untested lab will not work.

Priscilla

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 Howard, I second the vote for a discussion.. assuming all
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 the goals
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Re: RIP holddown timer [7:59989]

2002-12-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 10:51 PM + 12/30/02, bergenpeak wrote:
Reading Doyle's V1 book.  Page 195 mentions that when an update with a
hop count higher than that in the routing table is received for a route,
the route will go into holddown for 180 [sic] seconds (three update
periods).

I agree with you, but there is a special case.  If the received route 
has a maximum metric value, then it's a poison reverse and should 
force holddown or withdrawal.

If the current route were 3 hops and the new one were 4, it should be
ignored.


In the cisco page (below) for the timers basic command, the page
states that ...A route enters into a holddown state when an update
packet is received that indicates the route is unreachable. The route
is marked inaccessible and advertised as unreachable...

I'd interpret unreachable to be a maximum metric.


It would seem that the explaination on the cisco site is correct and
the Doyle text is incorrect. 

Could someone confirm or explain what Doyle might be refering too?

Thanks


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RE: RIP holddown timer [7:59989]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
bergenpeak wrote:
 
 Reading Doyle's V1 book.  Page 195 mentions that when an update
 with a
 hop count higher than that in the routing table is received for
 a route,
 the route will go into holddown for 180 [sic] seconds (three
 update
 periods).

That's to avoid the count-to-infinity problem. If the hop count increases,
it's often an indication that count-to-infinity is happening and the other
methods for avoiding it, such as split horizon and triggered updates with
poisoned routes, failed. I thought Cisco's RIP did this, but I may have
gotten it from Doyle or confused it with IGRP. Do you have a method for
testing it? It's one of those things you may not find authoritative
documenation on.

Doyle's book has an errata at Cisco Press but it only mentioned 2 errors
(neither of which are related to this question).

 
 In the cisco page (below) for the timers basic command, the
 page
 states that ...A route enters into a holddown state when an
 update
 packet is received that indicates the route is unreachable. The
 route
 is marked inaccessible and advertised as unreachable...

That's probably true. It's not mutually exclusive with the above. I think a
route enters into holddown when the local interface fails too, and that's
not mentioned either.

Priscilla

 
 It would seem that the explaination on the cisco site is
 correct and
 the Doyle text is incorrect.  
 
 Could someone confirm or explain what Doyle might be refering
 too?
 
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Re:Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59994]

2002-12-30 Thread Chuck Church
Travis,

I've often wondered the same thing.  I dug this up on google.  Amazingly
it dates back to the 1890s!
http://www.atlantic-cable.com/

Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE




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RE: Cisco 1700 Access List [7:59975]

2002-12-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If I am thinking of this correctly and thinking from the Point
 of View of
 the packet, traffic that leaves my PC leaves with a random
 source port to a
 well known (most of the time) port such as port 80.  So I think
 that the eq
 80 needs to go after the second any to signify destination
 port of 80 as
 such:
 
 access-list 100 permit tcp any any eq 80

Depends on your security policy. He said he wanted to block port 80
transmitting, implying a source port of 80. This might be a policy for a
network where internal users aren't allowed out, but there is a Web site
that outside users access. It's sort of far-fetched which is why everyone
asked him are you sure this is what you meant.

Anyway, securing a network is a big topic. Once he has figured out what his
policy is, he should start with Cisco documents such as

Cisco IOS Security Config Guide:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fsecur_c/index.htm

Cisco Security Architecture for Enterprise Networks:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/largeent/issues/security/safe.html


He should also apply all the latest patches on his Exchange Server. Without
those, it won't matter what he does on the router. If it's a public server,
you have to let people in. But with the latest patches you can hopefully
keep them from doing anything other than what you want them to do.

A simple access list where the Exchange Server's address is 1.1.1.1 and it
runs mail, Web, SSL, and DNS, might look like:

access-list 150 remark outgoing traffic on int where server resides
access-list 150 permit icmp any any
access-list 150 permit tcp any 1.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 eq smtp
access-list 150 permit tcp any 1.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 eq www
access-list 150 permit tcp any 1.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 eq 443
access-list 150 permit udp any 1.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 eq domain
access-list 150 permit tcp any 1.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 eq domain

If you also want this server to be able to get out to the Net (like to
download those patches), you could add:

access-list 150 permit tcp any any established

Then, finally add this at the end to log denied packets

access-list 150 deny   ip any any log

So, no traffic is going to this server except services that you allow.
There's probably way more than just that you might want to do though, and I
did all that off the cuff, so hopefully there aren't mistakes, but you get
the gist, hopefully. The bottom line is that you need to figure out your
policy, study your protocols, study the options available to you, and then
start writing access lists. And do those patches! ;-)

Priscilla

 
 
 
 
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 access-list 100 permit tcp any eq 80 any
 !
 interface serial 0
  ip access-group 100 out
 !
 
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 lock it
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Re:Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59994]

2002-12-30 Thread Andrew Dorsett
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Chuck Church wrote:

 I've often wondered the same thing.  I dug this up on google. 
Amazingly
 it dates back to the 1890s!
 http://www.atlantic-cable.com/

Well apparently I failed to send my post to the whole list and I just
replied to the original poster.  Anyway here are my comments on one of the
replies to him.

Actually the sled lays on the bottom and is pulled behind the boat.  Then
it works like a ditchwitch to dig a trench and put the cable inside.  The
cable is spooled on the deck of the ship (the cable flows down to the
sled) and is spliced right there on the
deck.  When its time to stop for bad weather they will tie bouys to the
cable and sled chains and then leave and come back later.

How do they lay cable across the ocean?
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/2630.html

Undersea Cable Systems
http://www.wscr.com/6-7web/tycom2.pdf

An Oversimplified Overview of Undersea Cable Systems
http://davidw.home.cern.ch/davidw/public/SubCables.html

DiveWeb - Subsea Telecom
http://www.diveweb.com/telecom/index.shtml


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RE: Way OT - help desk [7:59946]

2002-12-30 Thread Ken Diliberto
Sorry to disappoint you, but I think they were running a MS SQL server
and were hit by the SQL Snake.  (A current virus/worm floating around). 
;-)

 Priscilla Oppenheimer  12/30/02 01:44PM

I guess they shouldn't have been running the Simple Network Access
Kerberos
Emulation (SNAKE) protocol! :-)

Priscilla

Jenny McLeod wrote:
 
 I came across this on a completely non-IT mailing list. 
 Thought some might be amused by it.
 
 An interesting tech support problem...
 
 The phone rings: tech support: hello computer tech support 
 customer: hello my computer was making a strange hissing noise
 last night and this morning when I turned it on there was a
 crackling noise and some smoke then nothing, if I bring it in
 can you fix it?
 
 The problem?  See http://www.uq.edu.au/education/extra/all.html 
 ...
 
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RE: RIP holddown timer [7:59989]

2002-12-30 Thread cebuano
You have to keep in mind the fact that Doyle wrote the Vol.1 book based
on IOS 11.3. He's supposed to have a second edition in the works with
Ciscopress but it's not clear if/when it will get published. For current
studies, your best bet is to test out the commands/features in 12.x.
HTH.

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Subject: RE: RIP holddown timer [7:59989]

bergenpeak wrote:
 
 Reading Doyle's V1 book.  Page 195 mentions that when an update
 with a
 hop count higher than that in the routing table is received for
 a route,
 the route will go into holddown for 180 [sic] seconds (three
 update
 periods).

That's to avoid the count-to-infinity problem. If the hop count
increases,
it's often an indication that count-to-infinity is happening and the
other
methods for avoiding it, such as split horizon and triggered updates
with
poisoned routes, failed. I thought Cisco's RIP did this, but I may have
gotten it from Doyle or confused it with IGRP. Do you have a method for
testing it? It's one of those things you may not find authoritative
documenation on.

Doyle's book has an errata at Cisco Press but it only mentioned 2 errors
(neither of which are related to this question).

 
 In the cisco page (below) for the timers basic command, the
 page
 states that ...A route enters into a holddown state when an
 update
 packet is received that indicates the route is unreachable. The
 route
 is marked inaccessible and advertised as unreachable...

That's probably true. It's not mutually exclusive with the above. I
think a
route enters into holddown when the local interface fails too, and
that's
not mentioned either.

Priscilla

 
 It would seem that the explaination on the cisco site is
 correct and
 the Doyle text is incorrect.  
 
 Could someone confirm or explain what Doyle might be refering
 too?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 

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Re: need enable password when have secret pw? [7:59944]

2002-12-30 Thread Steve Ringley
Its unconfirmed, (i.e.: I do not believe it yet) but our CW2000 admin
claimed CW2000 needed it for something.  Before that came up I assumed that
it was no longer needed except on 2500 series and other routers that had an
old boot rom that did not support enable secret.

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Hi.. When I was setting up my router configuration. It prompts me for secret
password and enable password. But I want to how why I still need enable
password when I have the enable secret?  When I type Enable, i will be
required to type in my secret password. Then when the enable password will
be used???

Sorry for such a simple question..
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mc3810 tftp bug? [7:60001]

2002-12-30 Thread Vicuna, Mark
Hi All,

Has anyone experienced the following:

mc3810 bootstrap 12.0(6r)T4
IOS: mc3810-a2jk8sv5-mz.122-13.T.bin  and mc3810-a2jk8sv5-mz.122-13.bin
memory: 64mb dram/16mb flash

I upgraded the bootrom to utilise 64mb dram / 16mb flash.  I am able to
load the above ios code when in rommon mode.  However, once I am running
the above 12.2 code and want to reload another ios code (any or any file
for that matter) into flash, the tftp download stops (.) after approx 10
udp packets have been successful (!) and the tftp server (cisco)
application then aborts.  Subsequently, the tftp transfer timesout.

The only way now to load ios is to get back into rommon mode and copy
over the ios image into flash (since the previous flash contents had to
be erased to accomodate the to be installed ios).

Can anyone else replicate this?


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Re: Boson Exam for CIPT [7:59924]

2002-12-30 Thread The Long and Winding Road
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 We should also ask developers how they test their labs. An untested lab
 won't work. Most developers learn this the hard way. I've worked with many
 developers who have learned it the hard way over and over and over again
 and still insist on creating lab steps that they don't test. It won't work
 for at least two reasons:

 The commands won't work as expected.
 The instructions to the human won't work as expected.

 In a course development class I took a few years ago, the instructor had
us
 try a fun experiment. We teamed up in pairs. One person in each pair made
a
 snowflake by folding and cutting a piece of paper, like we probably all
did
 in kindergarten. This person also wrote instructions on how the other
person
 could create an identical snowflake. The developer handed over the
 instructions and was not allowed to say a word while the tester tried it
out.

 As you can imagine, no two snowflakes came out the same! The human tended
to
 do all sorts of things that the course developer didn't expect. Add that
to
 the fact that the hardware and software will do unexpected things also,
and
 you will understand my axiom:

 An untested lab will not work.


some of the tested ones don't either, but that's another story!  :-


 Priscilla

 MikeS wrote:
 
  Howard, I second the vote for a discussion.. assuming all
  parties can keep
  it civil and not have degenerate into the *mine is better then
  yours*...  I
  know different vendors have different goals and ways to obtain
  the goals
  with their products. It would interesting to hear about the
  differences.
 
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Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]

2002-12-30 Thread nrf
bergenpeak  wrote in message
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 Interesting question.  Some thoughts from someone that does have a PhD
 in CS (dissertation in networking, a dozen or so publications, a handful
 in IEEE journals).  I initially went into gradual school to teach and do
 research, but after spending two summers during grad school as an intern
 in industry, realized that I was much more interested in working in
 industry than staying in academia.  When I completed my PhD, I took a
 job in
 industry.

 Much like John mentions, comparing the two is like comparing apples
 and oranges.  The material covered in each area is very different.  A
 PhD is much more theory oriented and there's a lot more of the why
 types
 of thinking.  Obviously, this sort of questioning is needed and helps
 lead
 one to dissertation topics and an actual research question.  Besides the
 initial reading list you get from your advisor, you're on your own to
 find related research, develop your ideas, verify that your work is
 unique,
 and then get it published before someone else stumbles across the same
 idea.
 And note, there are several hoops one needs to go through to get a PhD,
 and
 failing any one of these can cause you to get booted from your program.
 In order, these steps are:

 1) pass your prelims which are a test of breadth of knowledge in all the
 main areas in your subject area.  The way prelims where structured where
 I
 went to school, we had test and pass in 4 of 5 core areas (systems,
 languages,
 theory, algorithms, and architecture) and 4 non-core areas (networking
 fell into
 this space)

 2) pass your comprehensives (comps, test that you have detailed
 knowledge in the area you intend to do research).  The format for comps
 is often a series of probing verbal questions asked by each member of
 your
 comittee that you answer in real-time.

 3) pass your proposal (this is where you propose the topic/question you
 intend to research/solve.  Besides a verbal defense, this requires a
 failry
 extensive document be written which details the existing research space,
 and how
 your work will fit in, etc.)

 4) do the research and write up your dissertation

 5) defend your dissertation.  It's often easiest to prove your
 dissertation is
 worthy of a degree if you have many peer reviewed publications, so add
 lots of publications to step 4 above.

You forgot to mention another huge requirement to getting a PhD - simply
getting admitted in the first place. This encompasses a huge amount of work.
You can't just show up to a graduate program and start taking classes - you
have to actually win admission first, which requires that you graduate with
a bachelor's with decent grades, do well on the GRE, go through the
application process, demonstrate a facility for research (probably by
undergoing research projects while you're an undergrad), getting good rec's
from profs, etc. etc.   And of course in order for you to have a bachelor's,
you have to win admission to an undergraduate school and all that that
entails (doing well in high school, doing well on the SAT, doing
extracurriculars, getting teacher rec's, blah blah blah).

Therefore, I believe that when you're comparing a HS grad with a CCIE, to
somebody with a PhD, then in terms of sheer effort, there's no comparison -
it's a no-brainer.




 I don't have a CCIE, so can't say for sure, but here's my take on doing
 the exams up to and including the CCIE written.  Everyone gets the list
 of
 books to read, and if you know the information in these references,
 you'll
 pass the tests.  Note that with commercial study guides, practice labs,
 practice tests, and courses geared specifically to pass these tests,
 there's
 plenty of external help available to help make it through the CCIE
 written.
 As far as I know, as long as your willing to pay, you can take the tests
 over and
 over again until you pass.   This aspect is not true when working on a
 PhD.

And neither is it true of the bachelor's, or any other part of traditional
academia.  Almost always, there are actual penalties and restrictions
associated with just attempting tests and classes over and over again until
you finally pass.

I believe Cisco should record on your CCIE number how many times you took to
pass it.  Is that rough?  Yeah.  But hey, let's face it, a guy who took the
lab 20 times before he finally passed probably isn't as good as the guy who
passed it on his first time.

Somebody might say that a person might get lucky or unlucky and require more
or less attempts to pass (i.e. somebody who's really good might just get
unlucky and fail and therefore require a 2nd attempt, somebody who's really
bad might get lucky and pass on his first attempt). But hey, this is also
true of academia and everybody has learned to accept this.   For example,
somebody who's really good academically might have a bad day and score
poorly on his first shot at the SAT and require another attempt to get the

Re: Christmas non-NDA [7:59800]

2002-12-30 Thread MikeS
Very good :)  better then some others I heard this year.. although my
daughter's band came up with something like an *twelve days after
christmas*.. they had to warn the parents ahead of time so not to offend
some.. it was very funny.. but then geeks tend to find humor in the oddest
of places ;)

MikeS


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 In the first half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 A test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the second half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee.

 In the third half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the fourth half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the fifth half hour of testing my proctor gave not to me
 Five token rings

 In the fifth and sixth half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 A hurried pizza lunch

 In the seventh half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Five multilayer switched VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the eighth half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the fifth hour/ninth half hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Seven routing policies
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the sixth hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Eight
 Seven routing policies
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the sixth hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Eight tunnels a-tunneling
 Seven routing policies
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the sixth hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Nine tunnels a-tunneling
 Eight routing policies
 Seven OSI layers to confirm
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the sixth hour of testing my proctor gave to me
 Ten addresses to NAT
 Nine tunnels a-tunneling
 Eight routing policies
 Seven OSI layers to confirm
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the seventh hour of testing I gave to myself
 Eleven potential bugs
 Ten addresses to NAT
 Nine tunnels a-tunneling
 Eight tunnels a-tunneling
 Seven routing policies
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
 And a test pod to-pol-o-gee

 In the last hour of testing I gave to myself
 Twelve bug fixes, or so I hoped
 Eleven potential bugs
 Ten addresses to NAT
 Nine tunnels a-tunneling
 Eight tunnels a-tunneling
 Seven routing policies
 Six BGP speakers a-speaking
 Five 802.1q VLANs
 Four calling voice cards
 Three redistribution points
 Two IGPs
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Re: Laying Cable Accross the Pond [7:59971]

2002-12-30 Thread Ian Henderson
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Bolton, Travis D [LTD] wrote:

 I was just having a discussion with a co-worker about how companies lay
 cable across the pond and how they troubleshoot cable splices etc.  Does
 anybody have any documentation or Video they can share on this?   We're
just
 curious on how all this works.  If you do this type of work let me know.

www.southerncrosscables.com is a cable network between West Coast US,
Hawaii, New Zealand and East Coast Australia. Their website shows some
pretty flash animations about it all.

Not totally related, but pretty cool is
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html. It describes the
laying of FLAG between England and Japan. Great read.

Hope everyone has a great new years :)




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can't console in to Catalyst 5505 [7:60005]

2002-12-30 Thread Richard Campbell
Hi..  I found that I can't console in to my Catalyst 5505 set based switch.  
I plugged in to console port in the supervisor and used the hyperterminal 
normal setting 9600-8-N-1-None, but I can't get any output.

I also checked the configuration of the catalyst5505 and found nothing about 
console setting.  May I know how to configure the console setting in set 
based switch in order for it to work??

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Re: can't console in to Catalyst 5505 [7:60005]

2002-12-30 Thread Larry Letterman
the 5000's use a regular patch cable, not a rolled cable...
make sure thats what you have first

Richard Campbell wrote:

Hi..  I found that I can't console in to my Catalyst 5505 set based
switch.
I plugged in to console port in the supervisor and used the hyperterminal 
normal setting 9600-8-N-1-None, but I can't get any output.

I also checked the configuration of the catalyst5505 and found nothing
about
console setting.  May I know how to configure the console setting in set 
based switch in order for it to work??

Thanks



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