CiscoWorks Support for Solaris Intel Builds [7:62168]

2003-01-30 Thread HulaJoe
Does anyone know, has anyone performed a successful install of CW2K on an
Intel build of Solaris ?

Mahalo!

Joe

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BGP beta exam 641-661 [7:62169]

2003-01-30 Thread Amin Moustafa
Hi all
What about the new BGP beta exam?
will it be a new CCIP elective one?
Regards



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Re: Solarwinds Professional [7:62121]

2003-01-30 Thread Tunde Kalejaiye
raj,

solarwinds will not give u a map. try whatsupgold http://www.ipswitch.com/
it is very good, cheap and easy to use

Tunde


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From: Raj 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Solarwinds Professional [7:62121]


 I have installed solarwinds prof. However, i was looking out for a
graphical
 map of my network which seems to be missing.
 It has done a network discovery but is displaying the devices in a list
 form.

 Does anybody know if I could open another program included in solar. prof.
 to see a map or it lacks this functionality?

 If it does, i would like suggestions for any other programs(for eval)
which
 display good network maps/discovery.

 thank you
 raj




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DLSW remote-peer - frame-relay or tcp?? [7:62171]

2003-01-30 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,
If I have a bunch of routers connected via frame-relay and ospf   the
requirement is to configure DLSW peers between them, would I configure
remote-peers with tcp or frame-relay? (if the requirement did not
specifically state any).Thank you.Sincerely,CN



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RE: IPSec over Tunnel - not working !! [7:62124]

2003-01-30 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello Claudio,

No luck.I denied the tunnel intf. itself in the access-list and still
same problem. The ospf neighbor relation goes down...

R6-C#sh access-lists 199
Extended IP access list 199
deny ip 120.20.59.0 0.0.0.255 120.20.59.0 0.0.0.255
permit ip 120.20.0.0 0.0.255.55 120.20.0.0 0.0.255.255
permit ip 2.2.2.0 0.0.0.255 any log

R6-C#ri tu 1
Building configuration...

Current configuration : 164 bytes
!
interface Tunnel1
 ip address 120.20.59.6 255.255.255.0
 ip access-group 102 in
 tunnel source 120.20.26.6
 tunnel destination 120.20.26.2
 crypto map mymap
end

R6-C#
2d23h: OSPF: 2.2.2.2 address 120.20.59.2 on Tunnel1 is dead
2d23h: OSPF: 2.2.2.2 address 120.20.59.2 on Tunnel1 is dead, state DOWN
R6-C#
2d23h: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 2.2.2.2 on Tunnel1 from FULL to
DOWN, Neighbor Down: Dead timer expired

The moment I remove the crypto map from the tunnel intf. it all starts
working again!!

Any ideas?

From: Claudio Spescha Reply-To: Claudio Spescha To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IPSec over Tunnel - not working !!
[7:62124] Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:54:40 GMT  Hello  You should not
encrypt the tunnel network itself. First line of access-list 199 should
be: access-list 199 deny ip 120.20.59.0 0.0.0.255 120.20.59.0 0.0.0.255
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ios version [7:62174]

2003-01-30 Thread ykd ykd
the CCIE RS lab ios version is newer than 12.1(3)?


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ospf area 0 range [7:62173]

2003-01-30 Thread ykd ykd
I have a question,the ospf area 0 has /27 bits network,can use area 0 rane
to summary to /24 bits netw,and advertise to others area?


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Re: CCSI [7:62089]

2003-01-30 Thread Oliver Hensel
Hello.

vijay anandcd sagte:
 hi friends

 i want to know abt the CCSI certification,want to know how to achive
 itno informaion in cisco site abt this CCSI certification,,so if
 anybody knows abt this kindly send me few words

First you need a Cisco Learning Partner (CLP) like Global Knowledge
to sponsor you (AFAIK ~ USD 10.000 / year, payable to Cisco)

You have to attend every seminar you intend to teach later on.

Then you have to complete CCNA with a certain Nuber of Points
(above Pass level).

Your CLP will then be able to book an IRT (Instructional Readyness Test)
for you (when I took it at the beginning of 2001 it was 2 days,
1st day lab, 2nd day a sample of your teaching / lecturing ability).

The proctor will rate you and give you a pass or fail at the
end of the second day.

Best regards and good luck,

Oliver





 thanking u

 VijayAnand



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Re: DLSW remote-peer - frame-relay or tcp?? [7:62171]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would use TCP.  Although there are more header, all is up to TCP - link
failures, retransmission...






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Hello,
If I have a bunch of routers connected via frame-relay and ospf   the
requirement is to configure DLSW peers between them, would I configure
remote-peers with tcp or frame-relay? (if the requirement did not
specifically state any).Thank you.Sincerely,CN



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RE: DLSW remote-peer - on a frame-relay p2p- possible?? [7:62177]

2003-01-30 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello Paul,

Thank you very much for your reply.

If I have a FR p2p intf. and if I need to configure the Dlsw peers using
FR encap. is there a way to map llc2  to the dlci #?

This is only possible on a FR multipoint or physical intf. but not on a
p2p subif.

So if not, then is tcp and fst the only option OR is there a Cisco hidden
cmd. somewhere??

Thank you for your help.

Sincerely,

CN

From: Casey, Paul (6822) To: 'Cisco Nuts' Subject: RE: DLSW
remote-peer - frame-relay or tcp?? [7:62171] Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003
13:04:30 -  Tcp.Derfinite. Or even use FST., If they wanted you to
use frame they would tell you, Use for the support of DLWS+lite. Mapping
needed on multipoint interfaces, if I remember correctly,  Kind
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[7:62171]   Hello, If I have a bunch of routers connected via
frame-relay and ospf  the requirement is to configure DLSW peers
between them, would I configure remote-peers with tcp or frame-relay?
(if the requirement did not specifically state any).Thank
you.Sincerely,CN 

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RE: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Lupi, Guy
Ultimately the functionality would be the same, I prefer to use the least
amount of hardware possible to acheive a result, I feel it makes
troubleshooting and administration easier.  That being said I would use a
layer 3 switch in this situation.

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Dear All,

Need your advice on the following scenario:

I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic (voice and data)
from various departments. In order to provide routing between various
VLANs, I would need a router to do so.

Please advice if there are any difference in the functionalities etc. if I
use

1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between VLANs.

Thanks in advance!

Maurice




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Console problem [7:62179]

2003-01-30 Thread Shawn Xu
I have a strange problem or serious problem.

I configured a Cisco 1605R router which was configured before.  This time, I 
only changed E0 and E1 ip address, and default route through the console. 
After that, I put it into the server room, booted it up, but I couldn't ping 
the interfaces. I thought maybe the interfaces were not up, I should run no 
shutdown command.

I took it back to the office, connected the console port to the com1, but it 
never comes back. It is dead. It can not boot. Nothing shows in Hyper 
Terminal. Maybe one time of ten times of reboot just shows @ . That is all.

Note: console cable, com1, and Hyper terminal are working fine.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Shawn


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Re: what the h... - strange problem - Cisco doesn't like [7:62180]

2003-01-30 Thread Sam Sneed
Yes. As long as Charles knows he's not doing any filtering within his
architecture, the filtering must be done at his ISP. But like I said
earlier, the only way to be sure is running debug on the router and tcpdump
on the host while downloading to see where the packets are dropped.


Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate)  wrote in
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 When you say, sounds like someone's content filtering upstream, are you
 talking about the frame provider?
 Geoff Mossburg

 -Original Message-
 From: Sam Sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:50 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: what the h... - strange problem - Cisco doesn't like
 [7:62149]


 That HUB doesn't know the difference between the various file name
 extensions and neither does the router. UNIX comes with tcpdump so there's
 no need to load the sniffer. Also run the debug command on the router to
see
 if the packets are going through it if you don't see them getting to the
 UNIX box in tcpdump outputs.

 sounds like someone's content filtering upstream. Most admins will block
 .zip and exe but aren't  concerned with the UNIX .tar and .gz variants.
 You'll know this for sure when you run the debug command on the router,


 Charles Riley  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Sorry, should have mentioned.  I get the same result whether the user
 system
  is UNIX, Mac, or Windows...it plays havoc with .exe and .zip.
 
  That is a good suggestion, though, about the sniffer...that is about the
  only thing I haven't tried yet.  The Kmart bluelight special hub is
making
  me a little suspicious...
 
  Thanks,
 
  Charles
 
  Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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   load a packet sniffer on the laptop and see what really happens. If
you
   don't have one I know of a good free one . You install libpcap first,
  reboot
   and then install analyzer.
  
   http://winpcap.polito.it/install/default.htm
   http://analyzer.polito.it/install/default.htm
  
   Then you can see if the packets are coming back to you and if windows
is
   dropping them for some reason.
  
   Charles Riley  wrote in message
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I ran across a strange problem with one of our POPs the other day,
and
  am
   in
the process of researching/troubleshooting it.  We have a
 configuration
something like this:
   
   
   Internet---2500---AS5300---D/U Users
   
Not shown is a LAN connected to the 2nd Ethernet on the 2500.  All
connections to the shared Ethernet are via a Kmart bluelight special
  hub.
The connection to the Internet is a T-1 FR. Neither the 2500 nor the
 T-1
   is
anywhere close to being overloaded.
   
We are not doing any content filtering, nor have any access lists
been
applied, nor are any sites blocked.
   
The connection works great...email, web browsing, etc.  all work
just
   fine.
The only problem is that users can only download UNIX and Mac
flavored
files, but not anything that smacks of Windows.  For example, they
can
   down
the .gz/tar and .sft files for a SSH client for example, but can not
download its .exe or .zip counterpart for Windows!  Take the same
.exe
  and
.zip file, and rename it with a UNIX or Mac filename extension, and
 you
   can
download it.
   
Surprisingly enough, the problem does not lie with the users.  I
took
 a
clean laptop to the site, and encountered the same results.
   
Has anyone ever experienced a problem like this?  Could this be a
bug
 in
   the
IOS on the 2500?  Any suggestions would be welcome.
   
   
TIA,
   
Charles




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RE: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread Ladrach, Daniel E.
If it is a loopback address lets say 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.252 the router
will see the netblock local to the router. Lets say the other end is
192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 Point-to-point. Try putting a route statement ip
route  192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255 out the interface. This creates a more
specific route for that IP.

Daniel Ladrach
CCNP,CCNA
WorldCom

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Subject: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]


HI All
 I have simple configuration of HDLC connected back to back. 
If i give ip unnumbered at one end and the static ip address at the other
end, I cant ping the either end. But when i give show ip int brief, it shows
the line and protocol are up.
If i give ip unnumbered at both ends, now i am able to ping either end.
could anybody help me out in this. 

Regards
Deepak




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Re: MTU size for IPSec+GRE tunnel [7:62161]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Thomas,

The answer is looking around and do some sniffing.  The easy answer
which I just used in a lab environment is to use an access-list to deny
and fragments.  We used it mainly to test IPX with GRE and force IPX to
negotiate a bigger packet size than the standard 570 (I think).  Use the
keyword Fragments to deny any packets with that bit set.

deny ip any any  fragments.


Nabil

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to
  Thomas
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Hi All,

I am trying to avoid fragmentation of packets across the IPSec+GRE
tunnel
with transform-set using ah-sha-hmac AND esp-3des for header
authentication and payload encryption.  What size of MTU or TCP
addjust-MSS should I use for maximum performance?  I tried out couple
values and found TCP adjust-mss of 1076 worked out OK most, but still
don't
understand why.  According Cisco whitepaper, reducing MTU to about 1400
should void the fragmentation but it didn't work in my case.  Please
help.
Thanks!

Thomas




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DLSW promiscuous peering across a FR netw.?? [7:62183]

2003-01-30 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,Have 2 routers in a FR netw. configured for Dlsw using FR encap
with one side configured with just the promiscuous keyword only  and the
frame-relay map llc2 cmd. The other side is configured with the
remote-peer and the frame-relay map llc2 cmd.  Just to confirm: that this
does not work, correct?R4-H#sh dlsw peers
Peers:state pkts_rx   pkts_tx  type  drops ckts TCP  
uptime
 LLC2  Se0   402 DISCONN  0 0  conf  00  
--
Total number of connected peers: 0
Total number of connections: 0
Only when I configure a remote-peer cmd. on the hub using FR encap. does
it work!! Can someone verify if this is true or if something is wrong
with my config?? Thank you.Sincerely,CN



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RE: Console problem [7:62179]

2003-01-30 Thread Daniel Cotts
Random thoughts:
Flash card is not inserted. I'd imagine in that case it would boot to
rommon.
Power supply is defective/ plug into router is bent. Then I'd expect no
lights. Assuming the lights work - can you see the router boot?
Console port is damaged. If you have another router try connecting it to an
Ethernet port and see if you can vty from the good router to the 1605.

 -Original Message-
 From: Shawn Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Console problem [7:62179]
 
 
 I have a strange problem or serious problem.
 
 I configured a Cisco 1605R router which was configured 
 before.  This time, I 
 only changed E0 and E1 ip address, and default route through 
 the console. 
 After that, I put it into the server room, booted it up, but 
 I couldn't ping 
 the interfaces. I thought maybe the interfaces were not up, I 
 should run no 
 shutdown command.
 
 I took it back to the office, connected the console port to 
 the com1, but it 
 never comes back. It is dead. It can not boot. Nothing shows in Hyper 
 Terminal. Maybe one time of ten times of reboot just shows @ 
 . That is all.
 
 Note: console cable, com1, and Hyper terminal are working fine.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks
 
 Shawn
 
 
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RE: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Ladrach, Daniel E.
A layer 3 switch is a switch with an RSM in it so the functionality would be
the same as a router on a stick. You are still going to route once switch
many(CAM table). 

Daniel Ladrach
CCNP, CCNA
WorldCom



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Subject: L3 Switching  Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]


Dear All,

Need your advice on the following scenario:

I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic (voice and data)
from various departments. In order to provide routing between various
VLANs, I would need a router to do so.

Please advice if there are any difference in the functionalities etc. if I
use

1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between VLANs.

Thanks in advance!

Maurice




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Re: BGP beta exam 641-661 [7:62169]

2003-01-30 Thread Reza
Does this exam count for 1  Certification (CCIP)?


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 Hi all
 What about the new BGP beta exam?
 will it be a new CCIP elective one?
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Re: TTCP support for 2500 platforms [7:62117]

2003-01-30 Thread Brad
I have not been able to find it on ANY platform other than the 12000 and
1, regardless of IOS version.  I know Cisco tech docs state it is on all
IOS versions 12.0 or newer but I have not found that to be the case.  Let me
know if you find out different.
Brad
Petru Stefan  wrote in message
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 Hello,
 Does anyone know a ios for 2500 that contain support for ttcp.I've already
 tried the 12.0 ip plus but is not there.
 Regards
 Stefan




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Re: what the h... - strange problem - MORE INFO [7:62184]

2003-01-30 Thread Charles Riley
Thanks to all who have responded and requested more information.  Below is a
more embellished picture:

  Internet-BIG_ROUTER-FR-2500HUB---AS5300---D/U Users

We are the ISP, in this case, which is why I can say no content filtering is
occuring.  We have several of these small POPs in the region, all of the
going to BIG_ROUTER at a central location.  BIG_ROUTER and its trusty
configuration are not suspects at this point because the other POPs
connected to it have no problem.  In fact, if users dial into the POPs of
nearby towns, they do not have this problem.  This problem was brought to my
attention about a week before the slammer attacks occured.

The downloads are via HTTP and FTP;  the results are the same.  The problems
occur with any server on the Internet.  This morning, an user just informed
that he can no longer download .img files.  He also told that he logs attack
traffic, and is seeing alot of scans and attempts against ports 137 (and
sometimes 139) on his box.

I don't think our FR provider is the problem since FR stops at Layer 2 and
won't/can't distinguish between .zip and .gz files.  I am thinking that
perhaps there is a workstation or server connected to the hub that may be
proxying or intercepting .zip and .exe requests?   Sam's suggestion of
sniffing is a good one, and will be probably be my next step as it's been a
while since this POP LAN had its health checked.

Troubleshooting continues!

Charles



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 Consider your OSI layers. :-) A hub problem is very unlikely to cause such
 an issue. A generic router wouldn't either. This definitely seems like a
 Layer 7 problem.

 Someone is filtering on .exe and .zip. They just weren't smart enough to
 think about the UNIX and Mac equivalents. This could be an Intrustion
 Detection System or some sort of smart firewall.

 How are they downloading these? E-mail attachments maybe? Not letting
users
 download .exe files via e-mail attachments might make a lot of sense as an
 e-mail server configuration.

 Anyway, start looking at Layer 7 and above (politics, policies). Question
 your Internet provider!

 Priscilla

 Charles Riley wrote:
 
  Sorry, should have mentioned.  I get the same result whether
  the user system
  is UNIX, Mac, or Windows...it plays havoc with .exe and .zip.
 
  That is a good suggestion, though, about the sniffer...that is
  about the
  only thing I haven't tried yet.  The Kmart bluelight special
  hub is making
  me a little suspicious...
 
  Thanks,
 
  Charles
 
  Sam Sneed  wrote in message
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   load a packet sniffer on the laptop and see what really
  happens. If you
   don't have one I know of a good free one . You install
  libpcap first,
  reboot
   and then install analyzer.
  
   http://winpcap.polito.it/install/default.htm
   http://analyzer.polito.it/install/default.htm
  
   Then you can see if the packets are coming back to you and if
  windows is
   dropping them for some reason.
  
   Charles Riley  wrote in message
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I ran across a strange problem with one of our POPs the
  other day, and
  am
   in
the process of researching/troubleshooting it.  We have a
  configuration
something like this:
   
   
   Internet---2500---AS5300---D/U Users
   
Not shown is a LAN connected to the 2nd Ethernet on the
  2500.  All
connections to the shared Ethernet are via a Kmart
  bluelight special
  hub.
The connection to the Internet is a T-1 FR. Neither the
  2500 nor the T-1
   is
anywhere close to being overloaded.
   
We are not doing any content filtering, nor have any access
  lists been
applied, nor are any sites blocked.
   
The connection works great...email, web browsing, etc.  all
  work just
   fine.
The only problem is that users can only download UNIX and
  Mac flavored
files, but not anything that smacks of Windows.  For
  example, they can
   down
the .gz/tar and .sft files for a SSH client for example,
  but can not
download its .exe or .zip counterpart for Windows!  Take
  the same .exe
  and
.zip file, and rename it with a UNIX or Mac filename
  extension, and you
   can
download it.
   
Surprisingly enough, the problem does not lie with the
  users.  I took a
clean laptop to the site, and encountered the same
  results.
   
Has anyone ever experienced a problem like this?  Could
  this be a bug in
   the
IOS on the 2500?  Any suggestions would be welcome.
   
   
TIA,
   
Charles




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Security related - more info on slammer [7:62190]

2003-01-30 Thread The Long and Winding Road
saw this one today. sorry for the formatting or lack thereof.

Hey Cthulu, this help with your problems?


 *MSDE MAY MAKE PRODUCTS VULNERABLE TO SLAMMER
 By Shawna McAlearney
 Several factors contributed to the success of the Slammer worm; the most
 noteworthy is that many victims don't know that products other than
 Microsoft's contain the vulnerable version of Microsoft SQL Desktop Engine
 (MSDE).

 There has been a lot of confusion as to what exactly was vulnerable to
 the exploit used by the worm--even among those who have the responsibility
 of coordinating that information, says Jose Nazario, a system
 verification architect for Arbor Networks, a DDoS mitigation company. It
 took CERT, which is presumably working closely with the vendor, a full two
 days to identify and publicize that MSDE is vulnerable.

 Russ Cooper, editor of NTBugtraq and surgeon general of TruSecure, says
 Microsoft needs to develop a stronger MSDE community with independent
 software vendors and keep track of the use of MSDE as a redistributable
 component. (TruSecure publishes Security Wire Digest.)

 NTBugtraq and the SQL Security Forum have produced a list of more than 100
 potentially affected products. Those include: Compaq's Insight Manager,
 several Hewlett-Packard and Cisco Systems' products, Crystal Reports
 Enterprise 8.5, McAfee's ePolicy Orchestrator, Elron's IM Web Inspector
 Internet Filtering Software, ISS's System Scanner and RealSecure,
 SalesLogix and many others.

 Other contributing factors for the worm's spread include the failure of
 sysadmins to apply either the six-month-old patch or SQL Service Pack 3,
 the complexity of systems and networks and that it targeted a
 vulnerability in a widely used component.

 The average corporation will find that at least 25 percent of its
 machines have applications listening on UDP port 1434 (the port exploited
 by Slammer), says Cooper. That number could be much higher depending
 upon what kind of business the company is in.

 Though the worm seems to be tapering off, it could gain momentum again if
 ISPs stop filtering for it, say experts.

 http://www.sqlsecurity.com/forum/applicationslistgridall.aspx



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Router's for sale [7:62187]

2003-01-30 Thread Ram
Group,

I have following routers for sale.  Would prefer buyer within Toronto or
Canada to avoid shipping charges.  I had purchased these routers in 2001
{May}.   All the routers are in good condition.

2501/2502/2503/2504  2511 -  All with 16MB Flash/Ram - IOS 12.2 Enterprise
Plus

 / Ram









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RE: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Michael Williams
I'd be careful here.  Wouldn't this only be the case (that you would route
once, switch many) if you configure MLS on the both the switch and router? 
i.e. it's possible to have a switch trunk it's vlans to an external router,
but without MLS, your router would still process *all* packets crossing
between VLANS, not just the first packet in each flow.  Without configuring
MLS, all the switch is going to do is switch the traffic between and end
device and the MAC of that device's default gateway (the router).  With most
of the newer L3 switches (6500s, 3550s, etc), I think that CEF is on by
default (therefore you don't need to configure MLS).  But even for 5000's
and 5500's with RSMs, if you don't configure MLS, the RSM would still
process all cross-VLAN packets.  See this URL for setting up MLS (watch for
wrap):

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_4_5/config/mls.htm

Mike W.

Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote:
 
 A layer 3 switch is a switch with an RSM in it so the
 functionality would be
 the same as a router on a stick. You are still going to route
 once switch
 many(CAM table). 
 
 Daniel Ladrach
 CCNP, CCNA
 WorldCom



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RE: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread Deepak N
Hi Ladrach
  I tried with the route statement. it worked perfectly. but the problem is
when i am running the routing protocol. i have given detailed configs for 3
different cases in the previous mails.

Regards
Deepak


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RE: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
Deepak N wrote:
 
 HI All
  I have simple configuration of HDLC connected back to back. 
 If i give ip unnumbered at one end and the static ip address at
 the other end, I cant ping the either end. But when i give show
 ip int brief, it shows the line and protocol are up.
 If i give ip unnumbered at both ends, now i am able to ping
 either end.
 could anybody help me out in this. 
 
 Regards
 Deepak

This stuff is impossible to remember.  Everytime I think I have it committed
to memory, I wind up back at:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk648/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094e8d.shtml

An interesting excerpt:

The only real disadvantage that the unnumbered interface suffers from is
that it is unavailable for remote testing and management.

But more importantly:

When unnumbered is used, a route that is learned via the unnumbered interace
is placed into the routing table using the unnumbered _interface_ it came in
on as opposed to the next hop IP.  If the next hop IP were to be used,
problems would arrise because tit isn't directly attached (everything
eventually has to boil down to a directly attached interface so the packet
can be offloaded).  The next hop IP is on the back side of the distant-end
unnumbered interface.

Unnumbered was meant to conserve address space on p-t-p serial links.  It
was assumed that both ends would implement it.  In the case of a numbered
interface, the use the interface instead of next hop IP logic isn't
implemented.  Thus, the router inserts the next hop (which is behind the
unnumbered inteface on the other end).  The problem, of course, is that the
next hop isn't directly attached.  And no special logic has been implemented
to compensate.

I think I got that right.  Read the link and see if it adds up.


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OSPF to Eigrp redistribution?? [7:62195]

2003-01-30 Thread Cisco Nuts
Hello,If I have RTA running OSPF with networks 1, 2,  3  and Eigrp with
netw. 4 connected to RTB also running Eigrp . To mutually redistribute
Ospf and Eigrp, would just a passive-interface under Eigrp to netws. 1, 2
and 3's intf. work or would I also have to configure a route-map under
ospf denying these same routes that might come back from Eigrp? I would
think that a passive-interface cmd. under Eigrp would suffice but would
like to hear what other think?  



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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
 1) define functionality
 
 2) define difference
 
 in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
 forwarding on the
 same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because a)
 electrons don't
 have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting of L2
 headers can
 be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on the
 integrated L3
 switch.
 
 once in a while this group has entertained the discussion of
 the relative
 merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that at
 the electron
 level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to routing, or
 at least
 inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care to
 offer your
 insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at the EE
 level.

I'm not Howard of course.  But if by EE level you mean propogation delay,
I would think it wouldn't even be a consideration.  I use 10 microseconds
per mile (or 1 millisecond per hundred) as an in-your-head calculation in
WAN environments.  It isn't real exact, but with 10 or so feet of cable,
that 10 microseconds per mile turns out to be a pretty small number.

 Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient than
 integrated L3
 for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage for an
 integrated L3
 switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
 itself to another
 router down the wire, all other things being equal.

I would have to agree.  Have you seen the new ethernet switch module for the
2600/3600/3700 series routers?  I'm buying several for an upcoming project. 
You now can get an integrated switch in your router vs. and integrated
router in your switch!!  This is really cool if you have a small number of
machines that all need to be in a different VLAN (multiple network
management platforms at remote sites, for example) but you don't want to /
don't have the rack space / cash for a switch.  Only drawback:  requires
lots of flash and DRAM on the router.  Older non-MX 2600s are not a
candidate I recently found out because they cap out at 16M flash (required
minumum 32M).

A final note:  I've been warming up to L3 switches in recent months and can
say that they are definately easier to configure than router on a stick. 
Lots of stuff is on by default.

 
 
 
 
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Maurice
 
 




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RE: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread Deepak N
Hi Vermill
 Now I got the point. So when i am using the numbered interface, the router
tries to reach the next hop via the next hop ip address, in my case it is
behind the directly connected interface.But it has no way of finding the
next hop ip address behind the unnumbered interface. So it was not able to
reach the other end. While both are unnumbered, the routes were installed
based on the outgoing interface.

Thank you all for helping me out to find the solution.

Thanks n regards
Deepak


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Re: BGP beta exam 641-661 [7:62169]

2003-01-30 Thread dre
Amin Moustafa  wrote in message
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 What about the new BGP beta exam?
 will it be a new CCIP elective one?

My guess is that Cisco is replacing the MCAST+QOS course with BGP and
making it a required part of CCIP certification, not as an elective.

-dre




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RE: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
Deepak N wrote:
 
 Hi Vermill
  Now I got the point. So when i am using the numbered
 interface, the router tries to reach the next hop via the next
 hop ip address, in my case it is behind the directly connected
 interface.But it has no way of finding the next hop ip address
 behind the unnumbered interface. So it was not able to reach
 the other end. While both are unnumbered, the routes were
 installed based on the outgoing interface.
 
 Thank you all for helping me out to find the solution.
 
 Thanks n regards
 Deepak

Yes, I think you have it.  But I was interested in some other suggestions
that were made.  If, on the numbered end, you entered a static route to the
unnumbered interface IP using the outgoing interface, it seems like it might
work.  Something like:

'ip route 192.168.100.1 s0'

where 192.168.100.1 was the IP of the interface being referenced in the 'ip
unnumbered' statement and s0 attaches to the unnumbered interface.  But
something might break in the routing protocol.  Again, I think it was
assumed that you're going to implement unnumbered on both ends of the link
in order to realize address conservation.  There might also be some
exchanges of information between the unnumbered interfaces that we're not
aware of.  An asymetrical configuration might break that.


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Re: TTCP support for 2500 platforms [7:62117]

2003-01-30 Thread MADMAN
It's also supported on the 7500 and 7200 series routers.

   Dave

Brad wrote:
 I have not been able to find it on ANY platform other than the 12000 and
 1, regardless of IOS version.  I know Cisco tech docs state it is on
all
 IOS versions 12.0 or newer but I have not found that to be the case.  Let
me
 know if you find out different.
 Brad
 Petru Stefan  wrote in message
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Hello,
Does anyone know a ios for 2500 that contain support for ttcp.I've already
tried the 12.0 ip plus but is not there.
Regards
Stefan
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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The cable is probaby
very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across it is not a
consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of light.

Priscilla

The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  Dear All,
 
  Need your advice on the following scenario:
 
  I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic
 (voice and data)
  from various departments. In order to provide routing between
 various
  VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
 
  Please advice if there are any difference in the
 functionalities etc. if I
  use
 
  1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
  2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between VLANs.
 
 
 1) define functionality
 
 2) define difference
 
 in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
 forwarding on the
 same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because a)
 electrons don't
 have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting of L2
 headers can
 be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on the
 integrated L3
 switch.
 
 once in a while this group has entertained the discussion of
 the relative
 merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that at
 the electron
 level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to routing, or
 at least
 inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care to
 offer your
 insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at the EE
 level.
 Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient than
 integrated L3
 for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage for an
 integrated L3
 switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
 itself to another
 router down the wire, all other things being equal.
 
 
 
 
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Maurice
 
 




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Larry Letterman
where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?
:)


Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


 The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
cable is probaby
 very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across
it is not a
 consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of
light.

 Priscilla

 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
   wrote in message
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
   Dear All,
  
   Need your advice on the following scenario:
  
   I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the
traffic
  (voice and data)
   from various departments. In order to provide routing
between
  various
   VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
  
   Please advice if there are any difference in the
  functionalities etc. if I
   use
  
   1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
   2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing
between VLANs.
  
 
  1) define functionality
 
  2) define difference
 
  in either case, the net result is the same. for
inter-vlan
  forwarding on the
  same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster
because a)
  electrons don't
  have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
of L2
  headers can
  be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all )
on the
  integrated L3
  switch.
 
  once in a while this group has entertained the
discussion of
  the relative
  merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me
that at
  the electron
  level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
routing, or
  at least
  inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard -
care to
  offer your
  insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
the EE
  level.
  Router on a stick has to be slower and less
efficient than
  integrated L3
  for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage
for an
  integrated L3
  switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic
from
  itself to another
  router down the wire, all other things being equal.
 
 
 
 
 
   Thanks in advance!
  
   Maurice
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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
Larry Letterman wrote:
 
 where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?
 :)
 
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 

Scenic overlooks, bathroom breaks, and whatnot.  There isn't much worth
stopping off for in the vacuum of space.  It's kinda like the eastern half
of my state.  Hit the gas!




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RE: OSPF to Eigrp redistribution?? [7:62195]

2003-01-30 Thread Daniel Cotts
It depends. If networks 1,2,3,4 are all subnets of a major network then
EIGRP will advertise the major network unless you turn some knobs. Chuck
recently pointed out that from IOS 12.0 subnets could be advertised with the
network a.b.c.d wildcard mask line. 
If network 4 is its own network then it shouldn't be an issue.

Here's an added goodie. Quoted from the Cisco Press book EIGRP Network
Design Solutions
The passive-interface default command is implemented in IOS 12.0 and gives
you a nice way of configuring routing processes that are supposed to run
over a small number of interfaces. In previous IOS versions, you had to
configure all the other interfaces as passive.

 -Original Message-
 From: Cisco Nuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OSPF to Eigrp redistribution?? [7:62195]
 
 
 Hello,If I have RTA running OSPF with networks 1, 2,  3  and 
 Eigrp with
 netw. 4 connected to RTB also running Eigrp . To mutually redistribute
 Ospf and Eigrp, would just a passive-interface under Eigrp to 
 netws. 1, 2
 and 3's intf. work or would I also have to configure a route-map under
 ospf denying these same routes that might come back from 
 Eigrp? I would
 think that a passive-interface cmd. under Eigrp would suffice 
 but would
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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in message
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 The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The cable is
probaby
 very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across it is not a
 consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of light.

I was being half facetious while referring to the fact that router on a
stick has to do things with the L2 headers as it forwards, while an
intergrated L3 switch does not. Along with the CPU interrupt times and
issues.

Agreed - this might be a factor only on high end equipment passing
zillions of packets and frames.





 Priscilla

 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
   wrote in message
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
   Dear All,
  
   Need your advice on the following scenario:
  
   I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic
  (voice and data)
   from various departments. In order to provide routing between
  various
   VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
  
   Please advice if there are any difference in the
  functionalities etc. if I
   use
  
   1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
   2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between VLANs.
  
 
  1) define functionality
 
  2) define difference
 
  in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
  forwarding on the
  same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because a)
  electrons don't
  have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting of L2
  headers can
  be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on the
  integrated L3
  switch.
 
  once in a while this group has entertained the discussion of
  the relative
  merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that at
  the electron
  level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to routing, or
  at least
  inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care to
  offer your
  insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at the EE
  level.
  Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient than
  integrated L3
  for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage for an
  integrated L3
  switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
  itself to another
  router down the wire, all other things being equal.
 
 
 
 
 
   Thanks in advance!
  
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Re: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread MADMAN
Glad you got it figured out and I hope you learned some reason(s) not 
to do unnumbered.  I can't think of and good reasons for it and if you 
running out of addresses I have an RFC full of them for you;)

   Dave

Deepak N wrote:
 Hi Vermill
  Now I got the point. So when i am using the numbered interface, the router
 tries to reach the next hop via the next hop ip address, in my case it is
 behind the directly connected interface.But it has no way of finding the
 next hop ip address behind the unnumbered interface. So it was not able to
 reach the other end. While both are unnumbered, the routes were installed
 based on the outgoing interface.
 
 Thank you all for helping me out to find the solution.
 
 Thanks n regards
 Deepak
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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread MADMAN
Hmmm, IOS imgaes that are approaching, (in some cases exceeding) 20M  ;)

   Dave

Larry Letterman wrote:
 where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?
 :)
 
 
 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems
 
 
 
The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
 
 cable is probaby
 
very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across
 
 it is not a
 
consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of
 
 light.
 
Priscilla

The Long and Winding Road wrote:

 wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

Dear All,

Need your advice on the following scenario:

I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the

 traffic
 
(voice and data)

from various departments. In order to provide routing

 between
 
various

VLANs, I would need a router to do so.

Please advice if there are any difference in the

functionalities etc. if I

use

1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing

 between VLANs.
 
1) define functionality

2) define difference

in either case, the net result is the same. for

 inter-vlan
 
forwarding on the
same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster

 because a)
 
electrons don't
have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting

 of L2
 
headers can
be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all )

 on the
 
integrated L3
switch.

once in a while this group has entertained the

 discussion of
 
the relative
merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me

 that at
 
the electron
level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to

 routing, or
 
at least
inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard -

 care to
 
offer your
insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at

 the EE
 
level.
Router on a stick has to be slower and less

 efficient than
 
integrated L3
for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage

 for an
 
integrated L3
switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic

 from
 
itself to another
router down the wire, all other things being equal.






Thanks in advance!

Maurice

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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CCIE# 2016
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Qwest Communications
612-664-3367

You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. --Winston
Churchill




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread The Long and Winding Road
Larry Letterman  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?
 :)

consider your relative speed running from building to building on the Cisco
campus a) under current conditions, b) if there were no asphalt, but only
soft mud, or c) if the Cisco campus were underwater, in which case all your
running would be irrelevant anyway ;-




 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems


  The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
 cable is probaby
  very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across
 it is not a
  consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of
 light.
 
  Priscilla
 
  The Long and Winding Road wrote:
  
wrote in message
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Dear All,
   
Need your advice on the following scenario:
   
I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the
 traffic
   (voice and data)
from various departments. In order to provide routing
 between
   various
VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
   
Please advice if there are any difference in the
   functionalities etc. if I
use
   
1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing
 between VLANs.
   
  
   1) define functionality
  
   2) define difference
  
   in either case, the net result is the same. for
 inter-vlan
   forwarding on the
   same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster
 because a)
   electrons don't
   have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
 of L2
   headers can
   be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all )
 on the
   integrated L3
   switch.
  
   once in a while this group has entertained the
 discussion of
   the relative
   merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me
 that at
   the electron
   level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
 routing, or
   at least
   inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard -
 care to
   offer your
   insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
 the EE
   level.
   Router on a stick has to be slower and less
 efficient than
   integrated L3
   for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage
 for an
   integrated L3
   switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic
 from
   itself to another
   router down the wire, all other things being equal.
  
  
  
  
  
Thanks in advance!
   
Maurice
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread The Long and Winding Road
MADMAN  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Hmmm, IOS imgaes that are approaching, (in some cases exceeding) 20M  ;)

speaking of which, how big would the same IOS image be without Banyan,
DecNet, Apollo, and all the other obsolete garbage that contaminates them
now?




Dave

 Larry Letterman wrote:
  where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?
  :)
 
 
  Larry Letterman
  Network Engineer
  Cisco Systems
 
 
 
 The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
 
  cable is probaby
 
 very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across
 
  it is not a
 
 consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of
 
  light.
 
 Priscilla
 
 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 
 Dear All,
 
 Need your advice on the following scenario:
 
 I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the
 
  traffic
 
 (voice and data)
 
 from various departments. In order to provide routing
 
  between
 
 various
 
 VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
 
 Please advice if there are any difference in the
 
 functionalities etc. if I
 
 use
 
 1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
 2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing
 
  between VLANs.
 
 1) define functionality
 
 2) define difference
 
 in either case, the net result is the same. for
 
  inter-vlan
 
 forwarding on the
 same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster
 
  because a)
 
 electrons don't
 have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
 
  of L2
 
 headers can
 be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all )
 
  on the
 
 integrated L3
 switch.
 
 once in a while this group has entertained the
 
  discussion of
 
 the relative
 merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me
 
  that at
 
 the electron
 level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
 
  routing, or
 
 at least
 inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard -
 
  care to
 
 offer your
 insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
 
  the EE
 
 level.
 Router on a stick has to be slower and less
 
  efficient than
 
 integrated L3
 for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage
 
  for an
 
 integrated L3
 switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic
 
  from
 
 itself to another
 router down the wire, all other things being equal.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Maurice
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 CCIE# 2016
 Sr. Network Engineer
 Qwest Communications
 612-664-3367

 You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. --Winston
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RE: Solarwinds Professional [7:62121]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Previously NetSaint.  http://www.nagios.org/

Has anyone been using this???  I'm considering implementing it.


-Original Message-
From: Tunde Kalejaiye [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Solarwinds Professional [7:62121]


raj,

solarwinds will not give u a map. try whatsupgold http://www.ipswitch.com/
it is very good, cheap and easy to use

Tunde


- Original Message -
From: Raj 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Solarwinds Professional [7:62121]


 I have installed solarwinds prof. However, i was looking out for a
graphical
 map of my network which seems to be missing.
 It has done a network discovery but is displaying the devices in a list
 form.

 Does anybody know if I could open another program included in solar. prof.
 to see a map or it lacks this functionality?

 If it does, i would like suggestions for any other programs(for eval)
which
 display good network maps/discovery.

 thank you
 raj




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
 Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in
 message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
 cable is
 probaby
  very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across it
 is not a
  consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of light.
 
 I was being half facetious while referring to the fact that
 router on a
 stick has to do things with the L2 headers as it forwards,
 while an
 intergrated L3 switch does not. 

Really?  I haven't looked too deeply into the inner workings of L3
switches.  I was under the impression that router-on-a-stick could apply MLS
flow masks (or CEF) on a switch just as an integrated router blade can.  Or
maybe you meant something else.

Along with the CPU interrupt
 times and
 issues.
 
 Agreed - this might be a factor only on high end equipment
 passing
 zillions of packets and frames.
 
 
 
 
 
  Priscilla
 
  The Long and Winding Road wrote:
  
wrote in message
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Dear All,
   
Need your advice on the following scenario:
   
I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic
   (voice and data)
from various departments. In order to provide routing
 between
   various
VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
   
Please advice if there are any difference in the
   functionalities etc. if I
use
   
1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between
 VLANs.
   
  
   1) define functionality
  
   2) define difference
  
   in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
   forwarding on the
   same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because a)
   electrons don't
   have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting of
 L2
   headers can
   be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on
 the
   integrated L3
   switch.
  
   once in a while this group has entertained the discussion of
   the relative
   merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that
 at
   the electron
   level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
 routing, or
   at least
   inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care
 to
   offer your
   insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
 the EE
   level.
   Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient
 than
   integrated L3
   for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage for
 an
   integrated L3
   switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
   itself to another
   router down the wire, all other things being equal.
  
  
  
  
  
Thanks in advance!
   
Maurice
 
 




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VPN with Cisco router and digital certificates [7:62213]

2003-01-30 Thread Sam Sneed
I have a 3600 router that current supports PPTP win2K clients using win2K
client. I do not wnat to use Cisco client for VPN.
What I am trying to do is authenticate using digital certificates. The Cert
server is Win2K certificate server. I used a MS machine as VPN server with
certificates and it works. I now need to get the Cisco router to do the
same. Currently VPN users connecting to 3640 router and are authenticated
via IAS using domain logons and it works fine this way.
Has anyone implemented this? The router has certificate and it all looks OK.
I'm not sure how to configure the router to use digital certificates to
authenticate the users instead of username/password.
When I try to login I get verifying username and password and then error
619 : the specifoed port is not connected.

Here is config:

aaa new-model
aaa authentication login default group tacacs+ local line none
aaa authentication ppp default group radius
aaa authorization network default group radius none
enable secret 5 $1$2MGM$ttPEfWBYGVf.Hc78TEuwn0

vpdn enable
!
vpdn-group 1
! Default PPTP VPDN group
 accept-dialin
  protocol pptp
  virtual-template 1
!
vpdn-group 2
!
!
crypto ca identity mscert
 enrollment mode ra
 enrollment url http://99.17.4.20:80/certsrv/mscep/mscep.dll
crypto ca certificate chain mscert
 certificate 61285CC90004
...
...
  1CAC37AB 61BDC6
  quit
 certificate ra-sign 6144F5320002
..

  quit
 certificate ra-encrypt 6144F7EF0003
.
.
certificate ca 1B36F87430D2D4AC47DC9C0E1C4D9320

interface Virtual-Template1
 ip unnumbered FastEthernet0/0
 ip nat inside
 ip mroute-cache
 no keepalive
 peer default ip address pool vpn
 ppp encrypt mppe 128 required
 ppp authentication ms-chap
 ppp timeout authentication 5
!
ip local pool vpn 123.17.10.31 123.17.10.254

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Re: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
MADMAN wrote:
 
 Glad you got it figured out and I hope you learned some
 reason(s) not
 to do unnumbered.  I can't think of and good reasons for it and
 if you
 running out of addresses I have an RFC full of them for you;)

Dave,

I heard rumor to the effect that Cisco would introduce /31 mask support for
serial p-t-p links.  Anyone tried that yet?  I keep forgeting to when on a
router with shiny new IOS.

Scott 

 
Dave
 
 Deepak N wrote:
  Hi Vermill
   Now I got the point. So when i am using the numbered
 interface, the router
  tries to reach the next hop via the next hop ip address, in
 my case it is
  behind the directly connected interface.But it has no way of
 finding the
  next hop ip address behind the unnumbered interface. So it
 was not able to
  reach the other end. While both are unnumbered, the routes
 were installed
  based on the outgoing interface.
  
  Thank you all for helping me out to find the solution.
  
  Thanks n regards
  Deepak
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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Darrell Newcomb
The Long and Winding Road  wrote in
message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 MADMAN  wrote in message
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  Hmmm, IOS imgaes that are approaching, (in some cases exceeding) 20M  ;)

 speaking of which, how big would the same IOS image be without Banyan,
 DecNet, Apollo, and all the other obsolete garbage that contaminates them
 now?


Valid point, but those components aren't the things that are causing bloat.
Unless I'm giving too much credit to compile time optimizations.  Banyan,
dec, apollo, aren't getting new features, aren't causing non-linear image
growth, and thus are not the cause of image bloat.  Removing them, although
useful, won't buy much time as the things causing the bloat will keep coming
and surpass the savings before one calendar year is up.  But I'd say 3
months is a better estimate.

It's the items that a small number of folks actually use that would be a
good target to eliminate.  But those are the new features which are part of
the story.  Without the benefits of modular software and also to maintain
low enough testing overhead; there are not great options(there ARE some
options) to slow the bloat.

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Voip call forwarding [7:62216]

2003-01-30 Thread UASAHIN
Hello all
I am trying to forward some voip call to another router from voip termination
router. But how i do not know how to do this
any help would be apriciated
thanks in advance




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Re: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi)
In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:

  I heard rumor to the effect that Cisco would introduce /31 mask support
for
  serial p-t-p links.  Anyone tried that yet?  I keep forgeting to when on a
  router with shiny new IOS.

It works well on all platforms I've used it on. Introduced in 12.2(2)T,
ie. a long time ago ;-)



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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi)
In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:
  speaking of which, how big would the same IOS image be without Banyan,
  DecNet, Apollo, and all the other obsolete garbage that contaminates them
  now?

A bunch of stuff got purged in 12.2(13)T. The images not much of a reduction
in size though, new features take a lot of space too (for example
c1700-k9o3sy7 for 12.2(11)T is 7461136, for 12.2(13)T 8231552 bytes.)





// kaj




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Re: IP unnumbered for HDLC connection [7:62134]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi) wrote:
 
 In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:
 
   I heard rumor to the effect that Cisco would introduce /31
 mask support for
   serial p-t-p links.  Anyone tried that yet?  I keep
 forgeting to when on a
   router with shiny new IOS.
 
 It works well on all platforms I've used it on. Introduced in
 12.2(2)T,

Cool!

 ie. a long time ago ;-)

Yeah, most of my clients are of the if it aint broke, don't upgrade it
mentality.  And a lot of my lab stuff doesn't have enough memory to go
beyond 12.1.  I'm often times 6 or more months behind the curve on IOS.

Thanks for the update.

 
 
 
 // kaj
 
 




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread s vermill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi) wrote:
 
 In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:
   speaking of which, how big would the same IOS image be
 without Banyan,
   DecNet, Apollo, and all the other obsolete garbage that
 contaminates them
   now?
 
 A bunch of stuff got purged in 12.2(13)T. The images not much
 of a reduction
 in size though, new features take a lot of space too (for
 example
 c1700-k9o3sy7 for 12.2(11)T is 7461136, for 12.2(13)T 8231552
 bytes.)

Not something you want to have to X-modem to bootflash! 

 
 
 
 
 
 // kaj
 
 




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
 Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in
 message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
 cable is
 probaby
  very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across it
 is not a
  consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of light.
 
 I was being half facetious while referring to the fact that
 router on a
 stick has to do things with the L2 headers as it forwards,
 while an
 intergrated L3 switch does not. Along with the CPU interrupt
 times and
 issues.
 
 Agreed - this might be a factor only on high end equipment
 passing
 zillions of packets and frames.
 
 
 
 
 
  Priscilla
 
  The Long and Winding Road wrote:
  
wrote in message
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Dear All,
   
Need your advice on the following scenario:
   
I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the traffic
   (voice and data)
from various departments. In order to provide routing
 between
   various
VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
   
Please advice if there are any difference in the
   functionalities etc. if I
use
   
1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between
 VLANs.
   
  
   1) define functionality
  
   2) define difference
  
   in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
   forwarding on the
   same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because a)
   electrons don't
   have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting of
 L2
   headers can
   be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on
 the
   integrated L3
   switch.
  
   once in a while this group has entertained the discussion of
   the relative
   merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that
 at
   the electron
   level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
 routing, or
   at least
   inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care
 to
   offer your
   insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
 the EE
   level.
   Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient
 than
   integrated L3
   for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage for
 an
   integrated L3
   switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
   itself to another
   router down the wire, all other things being equal.
  
  
  
  
  
Thanks in advance!
   
Maurice
 
 




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Oops. The last one was a Null Post. I meant to hit the Quote button and hit
the Post button instead.

I do have a few comments, though, of course. :-) See below.

Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
  
  Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in
  message
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   The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
  cable is
  probaby
   very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across it
  is not a
   consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of light.
  
  I was being half facetious while referring to the fact that
  router on a
  stick has to do things with the L2 headers as it forwards,
  while an
  intergrated L3 switch does not. Along with the CPU interrupt
  times and
  issues.

You mentioned two things, to quote your message:

the integrated L3 switch will be faster because
 a)electrons don't have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
of L2
headers can be more efficiently done (if it is necessary at all ) on the
integrated L3 switch.

The first one is silly. The second one is interesting.

I would think that the L2 headers would still have to be rewritten, for
traffic going through the router part of the swouter, (my new name for a
cross between a switch and a router.) I could believe that it's much more
efficent on the swouter than on a router, though. For one thing, the swouter
probably has modern hardware components and a more optimized architecture.
Anything else you can say on this aspect?

Thanks,

Priscilla
 
  
  Agreed - this might be a factor only on high end equipment
  passing
  zillions of packets and frames.
  
  
  
  
  
   Priscilla
  
   The Long and Winding Road wrote:
   
 wrote in message
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 Dear All,

 Need your advice on the following scenario:

 I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the
 traffic
(voice and data)
 from various departments. In order to provide routing
  between
various
 VLANs, I would need a router to do so.

 Please advice if there are any difference in the
functionalities etc. if I
 use

 1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
 2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing between
  VLANs.

   
1) define functionality
   
2) define difference
   
in either case, the net result is the same. for inter-vlan
forwarding on the
same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster because
 a)
electrons don't
have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
 of
  L2
headers can
be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all ) on
  the
integrated L3
switch.
   
once in a while this group has entertained the discussion
 of
the relative
merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me that
  at
the electron
level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
  routing, or
at least
inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard - care
  to
offer your
insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
  the EE
level.
Router on a stick has to be slower and less efficient
  than
integrated L3
for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage
 for
  an
integrated L3
switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic from
itself to another
router down the wire, all other things being equal.
   
   
   
   
   
 Thanks in advance!

 Maurice
  
  
 
 




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
MADMAN wrote:
 
 Hmmm, IOS imgaes that are approaching, (in some cases
 exceeding) 20M  ;)

I'm not sure what your point it, other than to be funny :-), but I do have
to say that it doesn't matter that it's a 20 MB file when talking about the
file travelling across a fraction of an inch within a switch versus the file
travelling across say a 10-foot cable.

OK, so the first bit would incur maybe an extra 20 nanoseconds of delay. The
remaining 160,000,000 bits would be right behind the first one and wouldn't
encounter any extra delay.

 
Dave
 
 Larry Letterman wrote:
  where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?

Resistance caused by the cable properties. (It should have said 2/3 the
speed of light in a vacuum).

Priscilla

  :)
  
  
  Larry Letterman
  Network Engineer
  Cisco Systems
  
  
  
 The router is probably in the same rack as the switch. The
  
  cable is probaby
  
 very short. The fact that electrons have to travel across
  
  it is not a
  
 consideration. They travel at about 2/3 the speed of
  
  light.
  
 Priscilla
 
 The Long and Winding Road wrote:
 
  wrote in message
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 
 Dear All,
 
 Need your advice on the following scenario:
 
 I am using VLANs to provide the partitons for the
 
  traffic
  
 (voice and data)
 
 from various departments. In order to provide routing
 
  between
  
 various
 
 VLANs, I would need a router to do so.
 
 Please advice if there are any difference in the
 
 functionalities etc. if I
 
 use
 
 1) a L3 switch for routing between VLANs,
 2) a L2 switch followed by a router for routing
 
  between VLANs.
  
 1) define functionality
 
 2) define difference
 
 in either case, the net result is the same. for
 
  inter-vlan
  
 forwarding on the
 same box, the integrated L3 switch will be faster
 
  because a)
  
 electrons don't
 have to travel as far and b) the stripping and rewriting
 
  of L2
  
 headers can
 be more efficiently done ( if it is necessary at all )
 
  on the
  
 integrated L3
 switch.
 
 once in a while this group has entertained the
 
  discussion of
  
 the relative
 merits of L3 switches versus routers. it occurs to me
 
  that at
  
 the electron
 level integrated L3 switching is indeed superior to
 
  routing, or
  
 at least
 inter-vlan routing versus router on a stick. Howard -
 
  care to
  
 offer your
 insight here? I'm talking about things as they happen at
 
  the EE
  
 level.
 Router on a stick has to be slower and less
 
  efficient than
  
 integrated L3
 for inter-vlan routing. OTOH, I don't see any advantage
 
  for an
  
 integrated L3
 switch acting solely as a router, forwarding traffic
 
  from
  
 itself to another
 router down the wire, all other things being equal.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Maurice
 
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Re: Cisco 1720 [7:11826]

2003-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi)
In mail.net.groupstudy.assoc, you wrote:

  I run several 1720's on my network 24x7 with no problems.  I'm not sure
  what's causing yours, but it doesn't sound like normal behavior to me.

It sounds like a software related problem (ie. bug), there used to be
a problem in pre 12.2(11)T (IP+/ADSL set) on the c1700 platform I
encountered where the DSL interface would stop sending packets when
a  would occur. Sometimes just bouncing the interface would help
for a while (hours.) Powercycling the router would keep it from happening
for a longer period of time. This was against flex-atucs on 6260s.

A search on bugnav might also be helpful.



// kaj




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Re: PIX Scenario [7:62047]

2003-01-30 Thread BJ Rice
This isn't entirely correct.  You can have a private IP address on your
outside interface and have it NAT'd to a public IP address and then
terminate the tunnel there.  I am assuming this is what you are doing.  Yes
it can be done.

Yes it will work with IKE Mode Configuration which is the same functionality
of the vpngroup.


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CiscoWorks on Solaris or Win2K ? [7:62226]

2003-01-30 Thread HulaJoe
One more thing - Is anyone running the latest version of the LMS suite on an
Ultra-II ?

I have a choice between an Ultra-II with dual 166Mhz, 512Mb RAM, or a Dell
2400 with Dual P-III 500Mhz and 512 MB RAM.

I figured that the native port on Solaris would perform better. Any
suggestions ?

Thanks - Joe

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Does anyone know, has anyone performed a successful install of CW2K on an
Intel build of Solaris ?

Mahalo!

Joe

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value.
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Cisco DT-24+ [7:62227]

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Watson
Anyone using these? Since they are EOL I am forced to buy used ones.
Just wanted to know if there are any inherent problems. I am looking for
3 PRI lines to an Inter-Tel PBX.
 
Steve




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Re: L3 Switching Swtich/Router Comparsion [7:62166]

2003-01-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
(combining two of Priscilla's posts)


At 10:52 PM + 1/30/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
MADMAN wrote:

  Hmmm, IOS imgaes that are approaching, (in some cases
  exceeding) 20M  ;)

I'm not sure what your point it, other than to be funny :-), but I do have
to say that it doesn't matter that it's a 20 MB file when talking about the
file travelling across a fraction of an inch within a switch versus the file
travelling across say a 10-foot cable.

OK, so the first bit would incur maybe an extra 20 nanoseconds of delay. The
remaining 160,000,000 bits would be right behind the first one and wouldn't
encounter any extra delay.


 Dave

  Larry Letterman wrote:
   where did the other 1/3 of the speed go ?

Resistance caused by the cable properties. (It should have said 2/3 the
speed of light in a vacuum).


Why worry? Resistance is futile.

At 5:52 PM -0500 1/30/03, Priscilla wrote:
I would think that the L2 headers would still have to be rewritten, for
traffic going through the router part of the swouter, (my new name for a
cross between a switch and a router.)

I rather like that.  If you had chosen to call it a ritch, that is 
something we in the industry are not, these days.

If you're doing L3 decisionmaking, I don't see how you'll get any 
performance improvement in L2, assuming you aren't breaking the rules 
of routing. An L2 switch, true, can pass the MAC addresses unchanged, 
and, in the strict scheme of things, doesn't need to recompute the 
FCS.

If you are making decisions at L3, you aren't going to get any 
particular benefit given that you need to substitute the router 
egress port MAC address for the previous-hop source, and recompute 
the FCS. But, since FCS computation is routinely in hardware, I can't 
see that as being an issue.

Now, some Cisco switches play games, and associate a MAC address with 
an L3 address, and don't do L3 lookup. If you are going 
subnet-to-subnet, you introduce several potential issues:

--security:  what happens if the MAC address or its mapping changes?
--ARP:   how does it resolve if the target subnet thinks it's getting
 a frame based on L2 information?  This violates the local
 versus remote axiom of IP.

Ye canna violate the laws of routin', Kiptin.


I could believe that it's much more
efficent on the swouter than on a router, though. For one thing, the swouter
probably has modern hardware components and a more optimized architecture.
Anything else you can say on this aspect?

But isn't that a product implementation rather than an architectural 
question?  On the router designs I worked on, which were 
unquestionably architected for L3 decisionmaking, most of the 
per-frame processing was on the ingress forwarding card, such as FIB 
lookup.

That sort of hardware, indeed, is expensive. It made sense with 
multiple OC-192, but wouldn't for a price-optimized SOHO router. But 
look even within the pure router Cisco product line, and you'll see 
all manner of price-performance tradeoffs.  Non-modular is cheaper 
than modular. Having less memory expansion is cheaper than having 
addressing space and card footprint for more.

Frankly, I see very little difference between an L3 capable switch 
and a high-performance router -- but you very well may not need the 
performance.

In a very-high-end router, the main contributors to delay are 
extensive preprocessing or postprocessing (e.g.., QoS, encryption), 
and the delay in getting the frame across the fabric (I'm not even 
touching multicast).  Shared bus architectures run out of steam at 
about 2 Gbps, and you need to go to shared memory or crossbar. 
Memory speed is a constraint as well, so crossbar has more growth 
potential until we can make pure optical decisions.




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QoS - Migration Path from MC3810 and 7000 Routers [7:62230]

2003-01-30 Thread Firesox
I am in need of any suggestions/comments on the following migration path.

Currently 7000 Router in the Core over 30 Frame PVC to remote sites with
MC3810.
Running only data right now, but deploying VoIP with Avaya ECLIPS solution.
I would like to stay with Cisco Routers and MC3810 will be end of life soon
if not already and 7000 as well.
In the future ATM will replace the entire frame-relay cloud.  There will be
about 1000 IP phones deloyed.
I need good QoS and scalable solution for future ATM migration.
I am thinking 7600 series in the Core and either or 2600 on the edge.

Any comments would be appreciated.




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Re: TTCP support for 2500 platforms [7:62117]

2003-01-30 Thread Kim Seng
I am running ios ver 12.1.17 on my 2500 and it
supports TTCP. TTCP also available on MSFC1/MSFC2.

Han.
--- MADMAN  wrote:
 It's also supported on the 7500 and 7200 series
 routers.
 
Dave
 
 Brad wrote:
  I have not been able to find it on ANY platform
 other than the 12000 and
  1, regardless of IOS version.  I know Cisco
 tech docs state it is on
 all
  IOS versions 12.0 or newer but I have not found
 that to be the case.  Let
 me
  know if you find out different.
  Brad
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 Hello,
 Does anyone know a ios for 2500 that contain
 support for ttcp.I've already
 tried the 12.0 ip plus but is not there.
 Regards
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RE: wireless [7:62104]

2003-01-30 Thread jeff sicuranza
Try   http://www.80211planet.com/ 


Good tutorials and a great starting point.

/JS



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