RE: BGP peering question

[Dollard Morgan]

ok, i dont think this is a valid question. when peering bgp sessions to an
external as, u add a command called bgp beighbor ebgp-multihop " for
example, which defines how far away ur peer is going to be. im not sure how
or why ud want to peer a bgp session acroos multiple isps , or what the
reason for this would be. i dont think your going to get any1 to peer a bgp
session with u unless ur directly connected to them, such as UUNET. ask if
anymore info 

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Dale Holmes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 16:22
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:BGP peering question
> 
> A friend of mine has the following problem:
> 
> >I've been given the project of establishing peering connections with
> >other 
> >ISP's/carriers. The biggest problem I have is finding the >right dept to 
> >call or e-mail. Take AOL for example, 40% of our >traffic is destined for
> 
> >AOL, can't find a clue on how to contact >them about establishing a
> peering 
> >session via BGP. Is their a list >of companies willing to peer?
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dale
> [=`)
> 
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RE: CIT 2.0?

[Dollard Morgan]

since the 640 440 is cit 4,  id think cit  5 might be a good bet. 
Morgan

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> De:   Larry Anderson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 16:34
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:CIT 2.0?
> 
> Does anyone know when the new CIT exam will be released?  What is the exam
> 
> name and number?  It's not Support 2.0, is it?
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RE: BGP peering question

[Dollard Morgan]

EXACTLY. so why would any1 go above lets say 3, 4 id say max 5 ebgp hops. 

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Hallgren, Michael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 18:00
> À:    Dollard Morgan
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: BGP peering question
> 
> 
> >right, i know when to use ebgp multihop, what i was asking, >is actually,
> >hoiw far are u willing to take it. is it usefull to peer a >bgp session
> over
> >30 hops, because u dont want to peer with ur isp, but with >another one
> >instead. 
> 
> 
> OK. Was readin' with only one eye open ;). Concerning how far to take it,
> I
> would keep in mind that I want a reliable connection, and thus probably
> avoid going over multiple AS's, or at the very least think twice :)
> 
> 
> mh
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De: Hallgren, Michael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date:   jeudi 11 mai 2000 17:42
> > À:  Dollard Morgan; 'Dale Holmes'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet:  RE: BGP peering question
> > 
> > One situation where you may use ebgp-multihop is when
> > sharing over some set of serials, where the Loopback's - peers - for the
> > session isn't directly connected.
> > 
> > mh
> > 
> > ok, i dont think this is a valid question. when peering bgp sessions to
> an
> > external as, u add a command called bgp beighbor ebgp-multihop " for
> > example, which defines how far away ur peer is going to be. im not sure
> > how
> > or why ud want to peer a bgp session acroos multiple isps , or what the
> > reason for this would be. i dont think your going to get any1 to peer a
> > bgp
> > session with u unless ur directly connected to them, such as UUNET. ask
> if
> > anymore info 
> > 
> > > -Message d'origine-
> > > De:   Dale Holmes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 16:22
> > > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Objet:BGP peering question
> > > 
> > > A friend of mine has the following problem:
> > > 
> > > >I've been given the project of establishing peering connections with
> > > >other 
> > > >ISP's/carriers. The biggest problem I have is finding the >right dept
> > to 
> > > >call or e-mail. Take AOL for example, 40% of our >traffic is destined
> > for
> > > 
> > > >AOL, can't find a clue on how to contact >them about establishing a
> > > peering 
> > > >session via BGP. Is their a list >of companies willing to peer?
> > > 
> > > Any clues?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > Dale
> > > [=`)
> > >
> 
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RE: BGP peering question

[Dollard Morgan]

right, i understand that just fine, and i know where ebgp multihop is to be
used. what i dont understand is WHY would u wa  nt to cross over ur isp,
plus whatever other transit as u'll have to go through to hit another isp u
do want to peer with, even though u might end up with an ebgp multihop of 20
or 30.
explain that, since i dont see the point in it.
example. i connect to uunet, and i want to go peer with another big isp out
there, so ill cross all the way to the other network to hit by bgp peer.
wheres the logic behind this kind of usage.

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Joe Szczepanski [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 17:59
> À:Dollard Morgan; 'Dale Holmes'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: BGP peering question
> 
> Generally the multi-hop command is used when you have more then one
> connection between your router and the upstream router.  For example if
> you
> have 2 t's between your router and your isp's router, you would run
> multi-hop.  This allows you to balance traffic across those two t's to the
> next hop router.
> 
> Joe
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Dollard Morgan
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:10 AM
> > To: 'Dale Holmes'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: BGP peering question
> >
> >
> > ok, i dont think this is a valid question. when peering bgp sessions to
> an
> > external as, u add a command called bgp beighbor ebgp-multihop " for
> > example, which defines how far away ur peer is going to be. im
> > not sure how
> > or why ud want to peer a bgp session acroos multiple isps , or what the
> > reason for this would be. i dont think your going to get any1 to
> > peer a bgp
> > session with u unless ur directly connected to them, such as UUNET. ask
> if
> > anymore info
> >
> > > -Message d'origine-
> > > De:   Dale Holmes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Date: jeudi 11 mai 2000 16:22
> > > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Objet:BGP peering question
> > >
> > > A friend of mine has the following problem:
> > >
> > > >I've been given the project of establishing peering connections with
> > > >other
> > > >ISP's/carriers. The biggest problem I have is finding the
> > >right dept to
> > > >call or e-mail. Take AOL for example, 40% of our >traffic is
> > destined for
> > >
> > > >AOL, can't find a clue on how to contact >them about establishing a
> > > peering
> > > >session via BGP. Is their a list >of companies willing to peer?
> > >
> > > Any clues?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Dale
> > > [=`)
> > >
> 
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7206 VXR info

[Dollard Morgan]

a little info for those of u using a 7206 VXR out there, if u try to
upgrade ur ios version from a recently bought router, be very careful, and
in the mea  sure of possible open a TAC case before, since ios images to
VXR are almost hidden in the software center, and so are the valid boot
images. i spent 4 hours last night, including a tac case enginner who made
me waste time with an incorrect information, trying to get a backup router
to boot. so in doubt, send me an email, if not, open a tac case and tell
them right out, this is VXR man, wheres my image for it.  so far the latest
availbale boot image and ios for the 7206 VXR is a 12 0 7. 
Morgan

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RE: LSA and LSU of the OSPF

[Dollard Morgan]

wow, i've never seen an lsa type 9. whats the function of that one? could u
also enlighten le on lsa type 8? thx
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Howard C. Berkowitz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: vendredi 12 mai 2000 15:46
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: LSA and LSU of the OSPF
> 
> >Hi guys,
> >
> >I am confused between the LSA and LSU , could someone clairfy the
> difference
> >between them. Are they interchangable ?
> >
> >Thanx
> >
> >
> >
> You're confused because this is really confusing!  LSU and LSAck 
> (usually the way the LSAck is written) are packets.  LSA's are data 
> structures carried _in_ packets.
> 
>  OSPF Packet type
>  1 234   5
>  Hello Database Descr.  LS Request   LS Ack  LS Update
>|||   |
>+++---+
>Types 2-5 contain
>Link State Advertisements (LSA)
>  LSA-1:  Router
>  LSA-2:  Specific prefix
>  LSA-3:  Summary prefix
>  LSA-4:  ASBR
>  LSA-5:  External prefix
>  LSA-6:  Multicast*
>  LSA-7:  NSSA external
>  LSA-8:  Database overflow*
>  LSA-9:  Opaque
> 
> *  Not used by Cisco
> ** New type, will be used by traffic engineering
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RE: BGP peering question

[Dollard Morgan]

do we have anymore info on the why of this question. i asked a guy here at
UUNET france, and he was as perplexed as i was, and sees absolutely no
reason why any1 would want to do that. also one thing he told me is that
UUNET USA is getting stricter on their peering policy, meaning that they
would only like to peer with big isps from whom they gain by peering with.
this means that less and less peering is gonna take place unless ur a big
ISP. that being said, id really like to know the logic behind the question
orginally posted, but then again im starting to repeat myself.

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Hallgren, Michael [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: vendredi 12 mai 2000 10:38
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: BGP peering question
> 
> 
> 
> At 5:52 PM +0200 5/11/2000, Dollard Morgan wrote:
> >>right, i understand that just fine, and i know where ebgp >multihop is
> to
> be
> >>used. what i dont understand is WHY would u wa  nt to >cross over ur
> isp,
> >>plus whatever other transit as u'll have to go through to >hit another
> isp
> u
> >>do want to peer with, even though u might end up with an >ebgp multihop
> of
> 20
> >>or 30.
> >>explain that, since i dont see the point in it.
> >>example. i connect to uunet, and i want to go peer with >another big isp
> out
> >>there, so ill cross all the way to the other network to hit >by bgp
> peer.
> >>wheres the logic behind this kind of usage.
> 
> 
> >I don't know of any usage where you would BGP peer, in >either sense 
> >of peering, with another AS to which you don't have a direct 
> >connection.  I'm lost.
> 
> So am I. The times I've seen/used multihop - at least so far - has been
> setting up sessions with route servers, sharing load over multiple links,
> multicast using MBGP, and such. I believe it's already been noted that,
> ebgp-multihop's intended simply to permit peers to live on different
> subnets.
> 
> >  Who wants to peer across multiple >AS?  Do 
> >they have any rationale for doing so?
> 
> 
> Please, let me know.
> 
> 
> 
> mh
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Runts and Gaints

[Dollard Morgan]

Runts are packets that come in below the 64 byte minimum of an ethernet
packet, and a giant on an ehternet medium, are packets that are above 1518
bytes
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Jacques Lee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: lundi 22 mai 2000 11:24
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Runts and Gaints
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Anyone can tell me what causes runts and gaints on an ethernet interface?
> 
> 
> 
> Thx
> 
> Jacques
> 
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request

[Dollard Morgan]

Im wondering if it would be possible to decide on a common way to firlter
these messages. some ppl use the alias CISCO to send out this email, and as
a result they do not get filtered by the group email address. this is a
problem for me at least, and maybe for others, since i get a lot of mail
from cisco, and i get this groups mail mixed in it. THis list generates a
lot of messages, over 600 a week, being that this is substantial, id like to
ask that there be a comon way for every1 to decide how to filter these
emails. id like to suggest the always simple way, send it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , and not cisco. that or groupstudy would work. 
comments apreciated.
Morgan Dollard

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RE:

[Dollard Morgan]

id say subnet a would be the Subdivison of a Network into logical and
Hierarchical divisions, to separate different parts of a network into their
own mini network.


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Dale Holmes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: lundi 22 mai 2000 18:36
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: 
> 
> Umm... Consider it a logical subdivision of an IP address space...
> 
> 
> >From: "Rodney Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Rodney Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:21:46 -0500
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >What is a good definition for 'subnet'?  I read someone asked an 
> >interviewee that question and it stumped him.  I would think a definition
> 
> >for subnet would be: "A range of TCP/IP addresses in an IP network".
> What 
> >do you guys think
> >
> >Thanks
> >Rodney Jackson -- CCNA, MCSE
> >
> 
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RE: Frame relay back to back

[Dollard Morgan]

the Serial 0/0 notation, as well as any 2/0 0/2 notations liek this, are
only availabe on modular equipments, wether router or switch. the first
number is the module, and the second number is the interface itself. for
example, in a 4500. If u had a quad serial interface in the second slot, and
u were trying to configure the third interface, 
the notation would look like this, int serial 1/3 , because the first int is
always 0, and the first slot as well. 
hope this helps. 
btw, in a catalyst, the first number is the number on the slot in which the
module is inserted. 


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> De:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: lundi 22 mai 2000 18:53
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: Frame relay back to back
> 
> this means your router probably doesn't have a s0/0.  go ahead and use s0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Billy Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 9:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Frame relay back to back
> 
> 
> I am also trying to setup using 3 routers (1 router configured as switch).
> 
> I am following the Hutnik's book. They recommend a configuration on
> "serial0/0"... anybody could tell me what is serial0/0 ?
> I can configure int s0, but not serial0/0.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Billy
> 
> 
> ""mikey"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8g62gm$uf1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8g62gm$uf1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In order to do frame-relay with a back-to-back cable, one router must be
> > configured as a switch - frame-relay switching (global-config) and the
> > interface on the switch must be configured as a logical dce -
> frame-relay
> > interf-type dce (int-config).  When I have done it, i also had to map to
> my
> > local interface with frame-relay map in order to ping the local
> interface.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Vic Feferberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 8g5ud7$kgj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8g5ud7$kgj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I would like to setup frame relay back to back, but when I do what
> > happens
> > > is that the line protocol comes up and shortly after comes down again.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to set this up in a lab situation without a telco
> > connection?
> > >
> > > TIA
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RE: (OT) Firewall!!!!

[Dollard Morgan]

Dusty, ROFL at ur signature, that is hilarious.
on the other hand, i also have to agree with dusty, you dont pick your
firewall at a kmart on the shelf. you must and i repeat MUST evaluate and
define your security policy first. for example, the pix by default wants to
NAT, and if u dont want to, u have to specify not to do it, theres licenses
cost, a pix is based on SESSIONS, be very careful with this, old IE versions
used to open a session per file to get in a web page, and on large web
pages, that could go to as high as 50 SESSIONS, at once. define your policy,
your requirements, what do we want to secure, how do we plan to do it,
because a firewall wont jsut secure it all for u unless u tell it to. be
very specific, if u know u dont want any incoming ftp sessions, then put it
down on paper, everything, every last port number u want to allow, u gota
know it before hand. once, u know all that, u know exactly how ur gona
secure that network, then u say, ok, which one is the best of these 2
products for my needs..; will the pix work better or the checkpoint, and
then buy it. 
i hope this helps, and i might have gotten a little hyper on this, but i've
seen so many badly written security policies i try to make sure ppl dont do
the same again.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   ElephantChild [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 23 mai 2000 11:55
> À:Achal Kataria
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: (OT) Firewall
> 
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, Achal Kataria wrote:
> 
> > Just wanted to know one thing , which one is better PIX or
> > Checkpoint Firewall 1 and why??
> 
> Short answer: What problem are you trying to solve?
> 
> Long answer:
> 
> - Define your security guidelines or find out what they say.
> - Define your concrete security policy or find out what it says.
> - Evaluate the features of both against your security policy.
> - Answer your own question based on the previous steps, plus price,
>   available technical support, support for your company's/customer's 
>   platforms and environment, etc.
> 
> To do otherwise, failing to weigh their features based on your specific
> needs, would be going by the lengths of their respective tick lists, and
> experience with the products of a PC software company that I'll leave
> unnamed shows that this is probably a Bad Thing(tm). :-)
> 
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RE: Setting up an ISP

[Dollard Morgan]

ok, this isnt somehting to do in 5 minutes, there is a lot to be planed,
lets start with the basics, how much ca sh is involved, how big is the isp
willing to go to, how many users do they exepct,  that has to be determined,
so that u can pick adequate routers, and technologies, enoutgh wan links,
for example do they have the money to get 2 34 mbit access to 2 differnet
providers to ensure redundancy, do they have the required skills to maintain
such a network including BGP, where do the calls come in, do they need AS
with octal PRI's and digital modems, or do they do it some other way. start
with that info, and ill try to help u out.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Lucky Anetor [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 23 mai 2000 16:44
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Setting up an ISP
> 
> Dear Gang:
> 
> Can any one provide me with some information on how to set up an ISP.  I
> will also be pleased if such information would include items such as
> relevant questions to ask from a client.
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Lucky Anetor; MCSE, CCNA, CCNP
> Senior Network Engineer
> Bank United
> Houston, TX 77027
> 
> Tel: 713 543 7964
> Fax: 713 543 7601
> pager: 888 399 9557
> 
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RE: subnetting sheet

[Dollard Morgan]

youi dont memorize subnetting, you either know it or you dont, if i tell you
i got a /30 then you must know there are only 2 hosts/routers on that subnet
so most likely a link over a leased line. /16 24/ 8 /32 you gota know all
that. when u look at your routing table, you're not gona have the luxury of
having your cheat sheet next to you. LEARN IT, Understand it, but dont
memorize it and make mistakes from that, because its what happens. when u
memorize something you dont understand, youll make errors, because you wont
see them in your mind. 
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Lance Warner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 23 mai 2000 19:26
> À:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Objet:subnetting sheet
> 
> Can anyone please send me their Subnetting cheat sheet and how to use it -
> I am able to answer the subnetting practice test questions but it takes
> too long. I would like to have a sheet that I've heard other people have
> memorized and write it down before the test starts so I can have as much
> time as possible. Thanks for any help you can provide, Lance 
> 

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RE: Setting up an ISP

[Dollard Morgan]

i gotta disagree, you dont need to be a ccie dial to know how to design and
lay out the network for an isp. what you need, is compentent people, who
arent gona read release notes and white papers to make business decisions,
and common sense. answer the criterias i gave you first, then you can start
thinking about the rest. each of those questions i asked will raise another
and another, how much bandwith do we need, ok, do we want FR with a CIR we
ga go above, or do we want an atm connection, what can we get, and how will
it impact us, cost etc. different technologies will mean different
interfaces, maybe different ios version. this is uncommon, at least i've
never seen it in the isp world, but you could put all your access routers on
a dual FDDI ring. all those things must be planed. dont go buy a ccie isp
dial and then sit down and say, hell ; hes certified, hell take care of
everything. 
if it was that simple, every1 would be an isp.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Hans-Walter Katzengruber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 23 mai 2000 20:28
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: Setting up an ISP
> 
> Hello
> 
> when you make the CCIE ISP dial then you have the knowledge to build up
> ISP
> if cash is no problem. I will take the CCIE ISP dial DRAKE and LAB if
> possbile. I have 2 weeks of that stuff with a CCIE ISP dial instuctor
> because i am certified as an MCSE+Internet and now i know how the rabbit
> run.
> 
> Greeting
> Hans-Walter
> 
>  
> > Dear Gang:
> > 
> > Can any one provide me with some information on how to set up an ISP.  I
> will
> > also be pleased if such information would include items such as relevant
> > questions to ask from a client.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Lucky Anetor; MCSE, CCNA, CCNP
> > Senior Network Engineer
> > Bank United
> > Houston, TX 77027
> > 
> > Tel: 713 543 7964
> > Fax: 713 543 7601
> > pager: 888 399 9557
> > 
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Cisco and Unix

[Dollard Morgan]

the reason for Unix, is that if your aiming at a Tac enginner position, they
all run Unix stations. i vivistead the europe tac (very impressive) and in
the lab i saw only sun wkst.


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   AC Schneider [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 07:40
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Cisco and Unix
> 
> As a newbie to these parts, I've recently decided to start my studies for
> the CCNA 2.0.  Out of curiosity, I went to the Cisco web site and noticed
> many positions I looked at had Unix as a requirement.  So my question, in
> general is it good to have a Unix back ground to complement Cisco
> certification?  If so, would Linux do as a substitute?
> 
> Your input is appreciated,
> -ACS
> 
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RE: DELL

[Dollard Morgan]

totally unrelated, im sorry but in my book novell and NT are not NETWORKS,
nor are they NEtworking positions. its system.  i do like the idea that job
offers can be sent out to the list, thats pretty cool. 


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 23 mai 2000 19:33
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:DELL
> 
> Positions for which I am currently sourcing:
>  
> 2 More H/A Mission Critical admins w experience in a true 24/7 Mission
> Critical environment (examples would be airlines networks, banks, or heavy
> traffic e-commerce ebay, aol or equivalent)
> NT with former Unix highly desireable
>  
> Network Admins .COM= experience in supporting start-up ventures. I don't
> have a lot of details regarding this one-I will tomorrow-but I'm
> extrapolating that we are looking for admins that have experience scaling
> networks with growth and keping them highly avail.
>  
>  
> Network Operating Specialists= well heeled admins that understand
> raid,connectivity and know NT or Novell well.
> The above positions are all Austin based.
>  
> And if you have pals that are :
>  
> OEM or VAR Sales with analogous experience to what Dell does, are at an AE
> or MAM level and have excellent rapport with: FED, K-12, HIGHER ED or
> STATE
> & LOCAL  have them contact me.
> The sales positions are home based-offices in many different cities in the
> US.
>  
> Best, 
> 
> 
> Clark Westerman 
> DELL Staffing, Public, Americas and International 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
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RE: CCNP in India

[Dollard Morgan]

in france we pay around 15000 francs public price, but we get it for 1

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   BIKEMAN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 06:51
> À:François EMO
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: CCNP in India 
> 
> That seems to be a good price - we pay anything up to A$3500 per course in
> Australia.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "François EMO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:57 PM
> Subject: CCNP in India
> 
> 
> I've received this quotation from Training Partners Pte Ltd -India
> 
> Course Name   Course chargesCourse Duration
>   (per participant)
> ICRC   Rs.30,000/-  5 days
> ACRC   Rs.30,000/-  5 days
> CIDRs.35,000/-  5 days
> 
> Rs. 30 000 = 680 US$
> 
> I would appreciate your comments...
> Cheers
> François
> 
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RE: Used IOS for sale?

[Dollard Morgan]

whats a used ios version look like, i get all mine electronically, so im not
sure how that can be used.
Morgan

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> De:   Koh Chang Wai [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 09:53
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Used IOS for sale?
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm looking for a used or new copy of IOS 11.2 or
> above. 
> Please email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you
> have a copy.
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
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RE: Used IOS for sale?

[Dollard Morgan]

hahahaha, has any1 checked that we dont get riped off by cisco when we
download the versions from their site. they might jsut be giving us second
hand junk =)
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Michel Lavondes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 11:57
> À:    Dollard Morgan
> Cc:   'Koh Chang Wai'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: Used IOS for sale?
> 
> On Wed, 24 May 2000, Dollard Morgan wrote:
> 
> > whats a used ios version look like, i get all mine electronically, so im
> not
> > sure how that can be used.
> 
> It's made of recycled electrons. You can often tell, since they tend to
> be slighty smaller from the wear and tear. 
> 
> > Morgan
> > 
> > > -Message d'origine-
> > > De:   Koh Chang Wai [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 09:53
> > > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Objet:Used IOS for sale?
> > > 
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I'm looking for a used or new copy of IOS 11.2 or
> > > above. 
> > > Please email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you
> > > have a copy.
> > > 
> > > Thanks. 
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RE: DELL

[Dollard Morgan]

gotta agree with Jay on this one. Not folowing instructions, and not reading
someone's CV before an interview ranks the same in my book. 
Clark, on the other hand your welcome to post the jobs in the jobs mailing
list, cisco god, im sure you have an attitude problem. a cisco god wouldnt
even use such a nick, it's called humility, and they would also post with
their CCIE number right next to their name. Until the day you manage to
provide those 4 numbers with your name, LEARN SOME HUMILITY.

can i get the fries with that dood?
Morgan Dollard


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Jay Hennigan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 04:45
> À:McElhaney, Scott
> Cc:   'Cisco God'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Objet:RE: DELL
> 
> On Wed, 24 May 2000, McElhaney, Scott wrote:
> 
> > Why do you have to be so stupid. You have made some idiotic assumptions
> > about this posting. This is a jobs list and someone is posting a job in
> a
> > related field and you are so high and mighty to assume this has nothing
> to
> > do with Cisco??
> 
> Which list?  Please note that this is cross-posted to both the 
> cisco groupstudy list and the jobs list.  So, for at least one 
> of the mentioned lists, it is most certainly _not_ a "jobs list".
> 
> The jobs list was created to keep the noise level on the study list down,
> and cross-posting to both not only defeats that purpose but demonstrates
> rudeness and/or cluelessness on the part of the cross-poster. 
> 
> > I am so tired of lame people like you in these lists. I have
> > been on this list for a few months now and have seen few real job
> postings
> > from anyone. Now someone actually puts up real jobs and you, Mr. "Cisco
> God"
> > surely would never need to look for a job. 
> 
> If he does, he'll probably have enough clue to look on the jobs list,
> where this thread should have been contained.  And, if he is truly 
> clueful, he probably wouldn't want to work for an outfit that is too 
> lazy, and/or rude, and/or stupid to advertise their jobs in the correct 
> place.  Would YOU want a technical job with a company whose recruiters
> can't follow simple directions and have no common courtesy?  "Now hiring
> system admins!  Want fries with that, dood?"
> 
> -- 
> Jay Hennigan  -  Network Administration  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> NetLojix Communications, Inc.  NASDAQ: NETX  -  http://www.netlojix.com/
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RE: packets

[Dollard Morgan]

could you please specify what protocol your talking about that might help.

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Aaron Hite [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 05:32
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:packets
> 
> Can someone explain to me how the ack and sequence information in a packet
> is used when establishing a connection?
> 
> Thanks
> aaron
> 
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RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job

[Dollard Morgan]

Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco)

the other ken, yammy, 
im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do
something stupid.
DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined microsoft
certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on
top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have
work experinence and get real life exposure to networking.
i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love to
see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl think
its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and
demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with
problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, if
cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can
revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting experience,
your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa
ste less time on your own doing so. 
Morgan
PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i
guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. 
I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about,
and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again.



> -Message d'origine-
> De:   K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> 
> Ken
> 
> I received my CCNP almost two months ago.  About 2
> weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off
> my resume everywhere.  I received a call from Cisco,
> as they were interested in my background.  I passed
> the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to
> face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people.  I'm now
> working with the IOS WAN Test team.  Before this job,
> I had about 10 years of experience with desktop
> computers, network servers and Microsoft products.  I
> had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE.  I made the switch to
> Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. 
> I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP.
>  
> 
> Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable
> since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with
> seven routers.  
> 
> Good Luck. 
>  Ken
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu...
> > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without
> > prior work experience
> > with routers and such?  I'm debating this issue with
> > my girfriend.  She
> > thinks that job experience is more important, and
> > that I should be looking
> > for a job to move me up.  I, on the other hand,
> > don't think I can find much
> > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a
> > CCNP, but I'm not quite
> > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any
> > help would be
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> >-ken
> > 
> > 
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RE: Why does anybody make the CCNA

[Dollard Morgan]

i've read just about every response, and some made me laugh so hard. the
ccna tests your memorization of OSI model, and a few very basic ios
commands. requires absolutely no reasoning; nor any real nderstanding on
networks. CCNP is harder, it demands real hands on exp, understanding of all
the IP routing protocols, and then some, it demands that you know how to set
up medium sized networks with the most common technologies. and how to
trouble shoot it all. the CCIE, covers every technology, from decnet to ip,
with some SNA for a little flavor, DRP OSPF BGP EIGRP, ATM LANE, MOBILE IP,
VOIP, name it, its on the CCIE.

so CCNA is your first kiss, CCNP you got to 2 nd base, and CCIE you made it
HOME.
football, would be like 1st and 40 to go, ccnp 2nd and 10. CCIE is a 99 yard
run for a touchdown.
Morgan

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> De:   Hans-Walter Katzengruber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 23:17
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Why does anybody make the CCNA
> 
> Hello
> 
> i am wondering why everybody makes the CCNA Certification and not the CCIE
> ?
> I am happy if someone can help me about that reason.
> 
> Greeting
> Hans-Walter
> 
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RE: Interview Question - OSPF

[Dollard Morgan]

hmmm, ospf doens NOT support ipx or appletalk, thats EIGRP. and yes you
might want to redistribute a rip network into an ospf network, remember he
said network not a LAN. The whole purpose os an ASBR, is to connect an OSPF
area to the outside world, or any other routing protocol. so YES, you might
want to have both rip and ospf on your network. just like you can also
coexist IP and IPX, it works the same way. Redistribution is the key here.
of course if the guy meant, ok well we're gona run both rip and ospf on
EVERY router in our entwork, id say flat out in his face hes just plain
stupid.
but hey thats me.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   pedro quezada [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 05:17
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: Interview Question - OSPF
> 
> Would you think it this way .
> his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ?
> 
> I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols
> in
> the same network.
> 
> why would you? 
> .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and
> appletalk
> .
> 
> PQ
> 
> 
> 
> "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct.
> >
> > --
> > Dave
> > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI
> > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same
> network.
> > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not
> > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower
> than
> > RIP,
> > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use.
> > >
> > > Is that a correct answer ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Billy
> > >
> > >
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Out of office floods

[Dollard Morgan]

hey is any1 else but me getting totally spammed buy out of office messages?
i mean i might be good at networkign and all, but to be an expert in Mailing
systems filtering is something i yearn to be. maybe someday i'll be worthy
enough. i'll drop ospf and bgp, those protocols for the weak, and focus on
OUTLOOK!!!
Morgan

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RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help

[Dollard Morgan]

thats because you havent upgraded your boot image, and the day ur ios
crashes, your confg will most liekely not be fully loaded because your boot
image is 11.0. 
upgrade your boot flash, and u'll be set.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   E. Carolina Arias S. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mercredi 24 mai 2000 18:00
> À:Francis Lee
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help
> 
> I have seen that msg. since I started working with IOS 11.2. However, I
> have
> never had any problem with my configs.
> 
> Francis Lee wrote:
> 
> > Hi -
> >
> > I recently upgraded a Cisco 2501 router and loaded IOS 12.0(9). But when
> I
> > reload the router, I start seeing the following error message:
> >
> > --- Begin Log --
> > System Bootstrap, Version 11.0(10c)XB2, PLATFORM SPECIFIC RELEASE
> SOFTWARE
> > (fc1)
> > Copyright (c) 1986-1998 by cisco Systems
> > 2500 processor with 16384 Kbytes of main memory
> >
> > %SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER: Configurations from version 12.0 may not be
> correctly
> > under
> > stood.
> > F3: 9025820+289128+541956 at 0x360
> >
> >   Restricted Rights Legend
> >
> > Use, duplication, or disclosure by the Government is
> > subject to restrictions as set forth in subparagraph
> > (c) of the Commercial Computer Software - Restricted
> > Rights clause at FAR sec. 52.227-19 and subparagraph
> > (c) (1) (ii) of the Rights in Technical Data and Computer
> > Software clause at DFARS sec. 252.227-7013.
> >
> >cisco Systems, Inc.
> >170 West Tasman Drive
> >San Jose, California 95134-1706
> >
> > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
> > IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-DOS-L), Version 12.0(9), RELEASE SOFTWARE
> > (fc1)
> > Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc.
> > Compiled Mon 24-Jan-00 23:53 by bettyl
> > Image text-base: 0x0304A97C, data-base: 0x1000
> >
> > - End Log ---
> >
> > According to "Cisco IOS Software System Error Messages" this means that
> "the
> > configuration saved in memory was written by a newer software release"
> and
> > suggests that I "examine all the messages printed while the router was
> > booting".
> >
> > But the configuration command I put in are quite standard (actually I
> tftp'd
> > in from a backup file which is done under IOS 9.14). Judging from the
> place
> > where the error message popped up, can anyone shed some light if it
> > indicates a config error or something else?
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > -francis
> >
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RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help

[Dollard Morgan]

right, that ms is only a warning, but when the router loads the config, itll
then give u errors, that u might not even see since they scroll kinda fast,
telling you i didnt understand this command basically. the msg is jsut a
warning, telling u, hey its perfectly normal that i dont understand all the
junk you typed in my config file, since im runing a dumer version. 
dont worry too much about it, if ur config is working fine. but remember id
still upgrade boot images if i were you.
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Francis Lee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 14:46
> À:    Dollard Morgan; 'E. Carolina Arias S.'
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help
> 
> What puzzled me is that, when I have the basic IP configuration, there's
> no
> error message during system bootup. It MAY (I need to confirm that) be the
> AppleTalk commands that I entered  Interestingly enough, despite the
> error message, the router functions without any problem (We have IP and
> AppleTalk routing)
> 
> 
>   -francis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dollard Morgan
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:17 AM
> To: 'E. Carolina Arias S.'; Francis Lee
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help
> 
> 
> thats because you havent upgraded your boot image, and the day ur ios
> crashes, your confg will most liekely not be fully loaded because your
> boot
> image is 11.0.
> upgrade your boot flash, and u'll be set.
> Morgan
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De: E. Carolina Arias S. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date:   mercredi 24 mai 2000 18:00
> > À:  Francis Lee
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet:  Re: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help
> >
> > I have seen that msg. since I started working with IOS 11.2. However, I
> > have
> > never had any problem with my configs.
> >
> > Francis Lee wrote:
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > I recently upgraded a Cisco 2501 router and loaded IOS 12.0(9). But
> when
> > I
> > > reload the router, I start seeing the following error message:
> > >
> > > --- Begin Log --
> > > System Bootstrap, Version 11.0(10c)XB2, PLATFORM SPECIFIC RELEASE
> > SOFTWARE
> > > (fc1)
> > > Copyright (c) 1986-1998 by cisco Systems
> > > 2500 processor with 16384 Kbytes of main memory
> > >
> > > %SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER: Configurations from version 12.0 may not be
> > correctly
> > > under
> > > stood.
> > > F3: 9025820+289128+541956 at 0x360
> > >
> > >   Restricted Rights Legend
> > >
> > > Use, duplication, or disclosure by the Government is
> > > subject to restrictions as set forth in subparagraph
> > > (c) of the Commercial Computer Software - Restricted
> > > Rights clause at FAR sec. 52.227-19 and subparagraph
> > > (c) (1) (ii) of the Rights in Technical Data and Computer
> > > Software clause at DFARS sec. 252.227-7013.
> > >
> > >cisco Systems, Inc.
> > >170 West Tasman Drive
> > >San Jose, California 95134-1706
> > >
> > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
> > > IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-DOS-L), Version 12.0(9), RELEASE
> SOFTWARE
> > > (fc1)
> > > Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc.
> > > Compiled Mon 24-Jan-00 23:53 by bettyl
> > > Image text-base: 0x0304A97C, data-base: 0x1000
> > >
> > > - End Log ---
> > >
> > > According to "Cisco IOS Software System Error Messages" this means
> that
> > "the
> > > configuration saved in memory was written by a newer software release"
> > and
> > > suggests that I "examine all the messages printed while the router was
> > > booting".
> > >
> > > But the configuration command I put in are quite standard (actually I
> > tftp'd
> > > in from a backup file which is done under IOS 9.14). Judging from the
> > place
> > > where the error message popped up, can anyone shed some light if it
> > > indicates a config error or something else?
> > >
> > > Thanks!!
> > >
> > > -francis
> > >
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RE: Why does anybody make the CCNA

[Dollard Morgan]

this is what i wrote, maybe it got cut off

so CCNA is your first kiss, CCNP you got to 2 nd base, and CCIE you made it
HOME.
football, would be like 1st and 40 to go, ccnp 2nd and 10. 
CCIE is a 99 yard run for a touchdown.
Morgan


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Justin Marcus [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 13:10
> À:    Dollard Morgan
> Cc:   'Hans-Walter Katzengruber'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: Why does anybody make the CCNA
> 
> isnt CCIE a touch down :P
> 
> 
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RE: Interview Question - OSPF

[Dollard Morgan]

ROFL LMAO, i didnt think of that one, they ask, can ospf and rip coexist in
the same network, you tell him, well man, be clear, either way it can
coexist, but your not giving me enough info, are u runing RIP Ip or RIP IPX,
do u redistribute ur rip ip into ur ospf, because you wont be able to
redistrib ipx routes into an ip routing table, that would mean if you want
to do that, then you need to run eigrp, muahaha, those kind of questions are
so stupid, its a loop, it can go on forever, he asks a question, you answer
with 10 questions telling him to be more specific, i love this
.
heheh
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Carrico, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 14:18
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: Interview Question - OSPF
> 
> I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. 
> 
> I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be
> feasible" 
> 
> My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my IPX
> implementation.  What it boils down to is your explanation.  These types
> of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on forever in
> the different answers.  However, not with a HR type that has a list of 10
> technical questions to ask you.  He writes down your response and
> explanation and gives it to the technical manager to interpret your
> responses.
> 
> The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you interpreted
> the question. In most cases the person doing the first round interview
> cannot elaborate on the question because they don't necessarily understand
> the question or know the answer.
> 
>   -Original Message- 
>   From:   pedro quezada [ ] 
>   Sent:   Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF 
> 
>   Would you think it this way . 
>   his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? 
> 
>   I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run
> both protocols in 
>   the same network. 
> 
>   why would you?  
>   .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and
> appletalk 
>   . 
> 
>   PQ 
> 
> 
> 
>   "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>   <8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... 
>   > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are
> correct. 
>   > 
>   > -- 
>   > Dave 
>   > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI 
>   > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>   > <8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... 
>   > > Hello: 
>   > > 
>   > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same
> network. 
>   > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is
> not 
>   > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance
> lower than 
>   > RIP, 
>   > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. 
>   > > 
>   > > Is that a correct answer ? 
>   > > 
>   > > Thanks, 
>   > > 
>   > > Billy 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
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RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job

[Dollard Morgan]

thank you, im glad some1 apreciates my thoughts on this.
I take it your one of the smart people who will work hard for their
certification, and make it all the way.
anyways, one thing i forgot to mention, is that the day those ppl who dont
have work experience will try to go for their CCIE, they will feel the pain,
of all that lack of knowledge and kow how, because that is the ultimate
test, one you cant dump your way out of. 
Morgan

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 15:16
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> 
> Amen to all that!
> 
> Roger
> CCNA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dollard Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:25 AM
> To: 'K Sacca'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> 
> 
> Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco)
> 
> the other ken, yammy, 
> im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do
> something stupid.
> DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined
> microsoft
> certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on
> top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have
> work experinence and get real life exposure to networking.
> i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love
> to
> see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl
> think
> its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and
> demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with
> problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know,
> if
> cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can
> revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting
> experience,
> your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa
> ste less time on your own doing so. 
> Morgan
> PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i
> guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. 
> I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about,
> and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date:   jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26
> > À:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet:  Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > I received my CCNP almost two months ago.  About 2
> > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off
> > my resume everywhere.  I received a call from Cisco,
> > as they were interested in my background.  I passed
> > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to
> > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people.  I'm now
> > working with the IOS WAN Test team.  Before this job,
> > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop
> > computers, network servers and Microsoft products.  I
> > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE.  I made the switch to
> > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. 
> > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP.
> >  
> > 
> > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable
> > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with
> > seven routers.  
> > 
> > Good Luck. 
> >  Ken
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 
> > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu...
> > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without
> > > prior work experience
> > > with routers and such?  I'm debating this issue with
> > > my girfriend.  She
> > > thinks that job experience is more important, and
> > > that I should be looking
> > > for a job to move me up.  I, on the other hand,
> > > don't think I can find much
> > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a
> > > CCNP, but I'm not quite
> > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any
> > > help would be
> > > appreciated.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >-ken
> > > 
> > > 
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RE: Out of office floods

[Dollard Morgan]

and i use outlook 97 as well, and i got 3 rules to filter out groupstudy
mail, and it still spams the hell out of my inbox. out of office is annoying
though, every mail i send i receive at least one out of office. 
Morgan


> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Puckett, Larry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 14:52
> À:'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:RE: Out of office floods
> 
> Agreed, but when I joined this group and tried to use those 'rules' with
> OUTLOOK 97, the rules didn't work. I upgraded to OUTLOOK 2000 and I was
> able
> to send all Groupstudy emails to a file.
> 
> Larry Puckette - LANCP
> Temple-Inland
> Network Analyst
> ph -512/434-1838
> fax-512/434-1861
> cell-512/751-8315
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:08 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Out of office floods
> 
> If you use Outlook/Outlook Express (and for that matter, any good e-mail
> client), you can set up filters where all incoming messages containing the
> phrase "Out of office" is either deleted or sent to a particular folder.
> 
> In Microsoft Outlook:
> 1. Click on Tools --> Message Rules ---> Mail --> New. This dialog box is
> divided into three parts - a). Select COnditions for your rule b) Select
> Actions for your rule c) Rule Description
> 2. In CONDITIONS - Select "When the Subject line contains specific words"
> 3. In ACTIONS - Select "DELETE IT" or "MOVE TO SPECIFIED FOLDER"
> 4. In the RULE DESCRIPTION - click on the underlined blue words "Contains
> Specific Words".
> 5. In the dialog box that opens, enter the words "Out of Office". Click
> OK.
> 6. If you've selected "MOVE TO SPECIFIED FOLDER" instead of Delete, click
> on
> the underlined words "Move to a Specifed Folder". Enter the name of the
> folder you want to move these messages to. If you selected DELETE, skip
> this
> step.
> 7. Give the Rule a name, save it and you're done!!
> 
> This will also delete any Out of Office messages you get from people not
> on
> this list - your colleagues, friends / associates, etc.
> 
> Outlook has the same feature under TOOLS - RULES WIZARD with very minor
> differences in the interface. Once you get the hang of it and understand
> the
> concept, you could do it in any e-mail client that supports message
> filtering, based on different parameters like Sender's Name, Subject,
> Body,
> From E-mail Address, etc. etc
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 
> As an internetworking engineer, you're not really SUPPOSED to know these
> things, but I guess most people on that level do!! One realization that
> dawns once you cross the Microsoft shores is - there's a whole world out
> there that does not use Microsoft software!
> 
> Bharat Suneja
> 
> "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > hey is any1 else but me getting totally spammed buy out of office
> messages?
> > i mean i might be good at networkign and all, but to be an expert in
> Mailing
> > systems filtering is something i yearn to be. maybe someday i'll be
> worthy
> > enough. i'll drop ospf and bgp, those protocols for the weak, and focus
> on
> > OUTLOOK!!!
> > Morgan
> >
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RE: BSCN Beta Results...

[Dollard Morgan]

the beta's are tests actually done to find out wether they are too easy or
too hard, its possible they were too easy. on the other hand, if you have
enough hands on, and know what the answer to those questions are, you dont
need to crack a book for it.
Morgan

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> De:   McMasters, Eric [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 15:09
> À:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Objet:BSCN Beta Results...
> 
> To All,
>   I've been trying to post this for the past three days, so if it is
> duplicate for some I apologize in advance.  The results were posted last
> Friday and I already received my score sheet from Sylvan, so to say the
> least I was surprised that I passed.  I just wanted to pose a question to
> the people on this list with this question.  Is it possible that the Beta
> tests are actually easier than the exam once it goes live?  I have been
> reading that everyone has passed these Beta exams, but I have not heard of
> one person that has failed.  Is this just a fluke?  I just can not believe
> that I passed the Remote Access, Switching, and Routing Beta exams and
> didn't even study or crack a book.  I just planned on taking them to see
> what the test were going to be like.  I have my CIT scheduled for next
> week
> (I would of taken it also, but I couldn't get a time), so hopefully by the
> end of the month I'll be a CCNP.  I've read some posts on the CID that
> aren't that encouraging, so I think I'll actually buy a book and study
> that.
> Let me know what you think about this and maybe shed some light on the
> whole
> thing for me.  Thanks for everyone's help!
> 
> Eric L. McMasters, CCNA/CCDA
> OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer
> 
> Phone:913.859.1986
> PCS:913.485.9734
> Fax: 913.859.1234
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RE: Gripe about CIT 4.0

[Dollard Morgan]

i took cit as my last test as well, and i also thought it was poorly
written. you can also tell it is an old exam, because you can mark and go
back through the questions. cisco has made a lot of improvements on their
exams. 

> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Russell Lusignan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 16:37
> À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Gripe about CIT 4.0
> 
> This morning I wrote the CIT 4.0 exam.  I have written CCNA, ACRC, CLSC
> and
> now CIT.  Out of all of them I would have to say that the wording in the
> CIT
> 4.0 is the worst of them all.  Not only do you have to study the exam
> materials, you also have to study how to answer questions that contradict
> themselves, give you multiple correct answers whereby you must choose the
> most correct answer given the circumstances, and deal with the fact that
> the
> questions don't clearly tell you what they want answered.  Example.. (not
> from the exam of course)
> 
> What colour is the sky on a normal day?
> 1) Blue
> 2) Dark Blue
> 3) Light Blue
> 4) A shade of  blue slightly lighter than 2)
> 5) None of the above.
> 
> This question would have been easy had they added: 6) Not enough data is
> given to answer the question.
> 
> Unless you have a complete grasp on the English language no matter how
> much
> you know about the material, you will not pass this exam.  I used the CIT
> Cisco Press book, Exam Cram,  Boson exams and working in the industry to
> prepare.  CIT Cisco Press book is a must (or equivalent).  Exam Cram is
> optional, I used it to quickly cover the main points.  And finally the
> Boson
> exams..  I have used these for every other exam which have helped, but for
> this one they didn't help me much at all.  I found the Exam Cram questions
> were a lot more accurate to the CIT exam.  But even then you will get a
> rude
> awakening on the actual exam..  Bottom line, KNOW the course material from
> the CIT Cisco Press inside and out.  Anyhow, I passed the exam, but I felt
> like griping about it anyways..
> 
> Russ..
> 
> 
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RE: Interview Question - OSPF

[Dollard Morgan]

oh, yet another spell checking maniac. im sorry, in the posting requirements
for this site, no one ever mentioned spell checking as being required. dont
mistake a typo for a spell check as well. 
and instead of talking about me being arrogant (which i am not) , prove to
me that it isnt stupid. rip by default, since it wasnt specified, is V1,
therefor no VLSM used, and since ospf does use it, it stands to reason it
would be used, since it is on most networks today, so that means rip is gona
find discontiguous networks left and right, great for the waste of your
routers processing time. and your gona  get rip chatting on your network for
no reason, plus the endless routes unreachable you will get since rip's max
distance for a reachable host is 15, add to that the fact that you might
have nt stations or unix listening passively for rip updates to learn their
gateway from, YES,  IT IS STUPID! 
either prove me wrong, and flame at will, or keep your opinion about my
personal characteristics to yourself. it wasnt meant as a personal insult to
any1, it was more meant to in the nature of a little laugh. 
seriously, give me one good reason, why youd run both ospf and rip on the
same networks, and the same routers. not talking about an asbr
> -Message d'origine-
> De:   Richard Holland [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 16:41
> À:Dollard Morgan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet:Re: Interview Question - OSPF
> 
> 
> hmm,
> 
> I find it's a bad idea to call somebody stupid.  Even if the guy wants to
> run ospf and rip on every router in his "entwork", ospf would bump the rip
> routes due to the lower admin. distance.  You'd have a real CHATTY
> "entwork"
> due to that, and I would agree that there is absolutely no point to that
> design at all.  Anyhow... the point of the original question was, can they
> coexist. Yes - they can, wether or not it's a good idea wasn't discussed
> at
> that point.
> 
> My suggestion - before you pour your arrogance on, check your spelling
> 
> Richard
> 
> of course if the guy meant, ok well we're gona run both rip and ospf on
> EVERY router in our entwork, id say flat out in his face hes just plain
> stupid.
> but hey thats me.
> Morgan
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De: pedro quezada [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 05:17
> > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet: Re: Interview Question - OSPF
> >
> > Would you think it this way .
> > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ?
> >
> > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols
> > in
> > the same network.
> >
> > why would you? 
> > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and
> > appletalk
> > .
> >
> > PQ
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave
> > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI
> > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same
> > network.
> > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not
> > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower
> > than
> > > RIP,
> > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use.
> > > >
> > > > Is that a correct answer ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Billy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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