RE: CCIE
The starting CCIE number was 1025. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Roysdon Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Speaking of the magic number, what are they up to these days? The CCIE popuplation is up to 4992 as of Nov. 1st. 314 have been decertified (that must suck, but I guess some of those folks could be retired), and the starting CCIE number is 1000 (I believe), so that puts it around 6300. Can anyone confirm? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html Regarding why she should allow you to have your head stuck in a book (and actually, why she should take any TV and other wastes of time away from you and actually push you to have your head stuck in a book): Starting salary for CCIE's is a minimum $100k, and $125-$150k is pretty standard in better areas. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNA, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ "Francisco Muniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > My wife doesn't know what I do either (other than the basic), but she > says whenever I talk about it my eyes shine, and that it must be > wonderful to like what you do so much... And that's all she needs. :-) > Perhaps all you need to do is try explaining her what you do, so she > sees your shinning eyes :-) > If you check the archives, there are some articles mentioned, also > packet magazine featured a couple good ones, one of them specifically > talking about how hard it is to get the coveted # (and one that's below > 8000, please). Try www.cisco.com/go/packet. Best of lucks. > > Francisco Muniz. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: average salaries
Denis, You can find salary averages for certified people, but you really can't go by them. Location is one major factor, but so is the individual. A lot of engineers lack the ability to articulate themselves and/or lack the ability to sell/justify technology at a business level where most managers think. People should not assume they are worth more money because they are now certified. Obtaining a certification clearly shows initiative and never really shows the amount of hours and resources exhausted for it. Any certification compensation should be based on this and not because some magazine or web page said you should be making $20-30k more. I suggest you log the amount of hours you spend studying and money you spend on books, routers, and/or lab time. This will give your employer a better idea of what was involved in obtaining your certifications. It will also show you how much of your life you lost when trying to accomplish the CCIE! (SMILE) -Eddie CCIE# 6428 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denis A. Baldwin Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: average salaries Is there a survey somewhere of average salaries for various Cisco Exam holders? Or IT people with certifications in general? I am coming up for review in a few weeks and am about ready to take my CCNA, but would like some ammunition to use against the board of directors. Denis _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study sanity
Reading is important, but make sure you get PLENTY of hands on time. Lab time will help a lot of things to come together. Study in 30-45 mins blocks and take 10-15 minute breaks. I found that I was able to retain more this way. Also take notes! Your notes should be your "cliff notes" to regroup your thoughts when you come back to a technology that you have already studied. I used 15 three ring binders and made my own books from CCO print outs and my notes to study. You should also print out the DOC CD subjects if you can. (IP, IPX, Appletalk...etc). If not at least know how to get to them and what each document contains. Eddie CCIE #6428 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Healis Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 12:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Study sanity I'm interested in hearing remedies for those times when you have read so much, and keep rereading material because it's repeated in every book, that you feel a little dizzy, a bit disoriented, and ready to throw the books out the window. Let's hear what everyone has done, especially those CCIEs! -j _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2512 Router for sale...
Once again I am trying to sell my 2512 with 8/8 megs of ram & 1 octal cable. I will sell the unit for $800 + shipping. I accept paypal or MO's. Please email me directly if you are seriously interested. Thanks... -Eddie _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel
Title: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel I had Etherchannel running on the dual-fe-fx PA. I do remember it was a pain to find a IOS for it. This was around a year ago when 12.0(4) was just coming out. Try this site out... http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/Support/FeatureNav/FN.pl This URL is a life saver! -Eddie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fessler, DavidSent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:52 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel Does anyone know if a Cisco 7200 Series router will support Ether channel. I only find reference to the following from Cisco: Fast Ether Channel is available on Cisco 7500 routers with Fast Ethernet Interface Processors (FEIP),---Versatile Interface Processor (VIP2) Port Adapters or any combination of the two. Does anyone currently run Ether channel on a 7200 and what IOS and port adapters are you using. David Grahame Fessler, CCNA, CCNP Principal Engineer Gilat-To-Home Latin America 1560 Sawgrass Corporate Parkway, Suite 200 Sunrise, FL. 33323 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 954-331-1620 Fax: 954-858-1777
RE: latency
It is very typical for a web server to handle the HTTPS sessions where other solutions off load this onto a separate device. The latency you are experiencing is probably due to the web server, and not a internetworking device. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jonathan Hays Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:49 PM To: Cisco Wave Cc: Cisco Group Study Subject: Re: latency 1. Let me check an assumption - you are accessing the same web page from both PSINET and CWIDC, correct? 2. Are you saying that is is only HTTPS causing the problem, and not HTTP? This URL touches on some of the SSL authentication and latency issues. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/11000/prodlit/csecm_wi.htm 3. Have you tried from other locations? From home? Cisco Wave wrote: > Lawrence, > Thanks for this advice, but I bypassed the FW on my side, on the other side it seems > difficult to do, as I > do not own the server. However, I can not believe that a FW will keep a packet for 75 > seconds. Any ideas ? > Check Packet 6 and you will see the delta time of 75seconds ! It is uge, I am not > talking about msec, > but about 1 minute and 15 seconds. > Thank you, > Terkud > > terkude...check your firewall...se if it is slowing down the processing...lawrence > > > Dear All, > > I have an unexplicable latency with http when I use one carrier, and not the other > one. Hours and hours of tests did show that the latency is NOT coming from the carrier > ! Really bizarre, this is why I am asking you guys ... Please help ... > > Here are some tests. Basically the problem is still happening when we cross CWIDC > network. > Traces and pings are working fine, however, when we use HTPPS over CWIDC, some packets > arrive after > 1minute. > > For example, please look at packet number 6, the delta time is 75 seconds for CWIDC, > and only 2ms for > PSINet.I checked all the packets data and sequences, they are all the same in both > case, only packet 6 is arriving > really late. > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel
Title: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel Only certain PA's support EtherChannel. Make sure you have the right one... -Eddie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matthew TigheSent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:10 PMTo: Fessler, David; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel Yes, the 7200VXR does support Etherchannel. We used it at my last client. I don't remember the IOS version exactly, but I think it was 12.07T. I do remember it took awhile to find a 12.x IOS that worked. We used Fast Ethernet boards for the 7200VXR. - Original Message - From: Fessler, David To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:34 AM Subject: 7200 Series router running Ether Channel Does anyone know if a Cisco 7200 Series router will support Ether channel. I only find reference to the following from Cisco: Fast Ether Channel is available on Cisco 7500 routers with Fast Ethernet Interface Processors (FEIP),---Versatile Interface Processor (VIP2) Port Adapters or any combination of the two. Does anyone currently run Ether channel on a 7200 and what IOS and port adapters are you using. David Grahame Fessler, CCNA, CCNP Principal Engineer Gilat-To-Home Latin America 1560 Sawgrass Corporate Parkway, Suite 200 Sunrise, FL. 33323 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 954-331-1620 Fax: 954-858-1777
RE: OSPF question
You can also summarize the route -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Schultz Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:31 PM To: Elaluf, Sylvia, Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF question interface loopback 0 ip ospf network point-to-point ! that'll make it push it out as a /24, not /32. On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Elaluf, Sylvia, wrote: > Hello everybody > > I need some help with the following: > > Given the following > > loopback 0 > ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0 > > router ospf 1 > network 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 > > sh ip route 10.10.10.1 > known via connected loopback 0 > distributed via ospf 1 > 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.255 > > what I want is to Advertise the loopback interface as class C and not host > specific route. > > distributed via ospf 1 > 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0 > > How do I do that? > > Silvia Elaluf-Calderwood > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not > sure about the former." > - Albert Einstein > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DSL Aggregation
DSL aggregation says it all. A DSLAM aggregates multiple DSL lines into single or multiple OC3 or OC12 (Depending and what you use) circuit to feed back into the core of a network. Look up 6400, 6111, and DSLAM on Cisco's web page. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Terrence Garrison Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DSL Aggregation What is DSL aggregation ? Does cisco make a box that does DSL aggregation ? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is funny... and SO true...
This is funny and so true... http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=2756 -Eddie _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RE: Cisco vs. HP Switches]
I know Foundry does a few... -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:32 PM To: Petra Hofmann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RE: Cisco vs. HP Switches] Anyone know who OEM's for HP? Long ago is was Kalpana. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Petra Hofmann Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [RE: Cisco vs. HP Switches] Sure I can give you several. 1. Much easier to configure both with a console or Web interface. The Web interface is much more intuitive. 2. Setting up port trunking was easier with HP. I have 3 HP 2424M's which I chose of Cisco even though we have several Cisco 2500's. The only problem I had installing the HP was that one of their serial cables was bad and caused a configuration problem. Two of my HP's have run powered for 8 months without the first problem. From my experience there is no reason I would pay %20 more for Cisco. I should add that HP's tech support on the cable issue was as good as I've ever got with anyone if not better. Petra Lynn Hofmann, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sure I know a reason; HP. > Really, can you give a reason why you would take HP over Cisco other than price. > Grant you 20% is a great deal of money. But do you get IOS? > > Just a few thoughts. > Have a good one. > > Chuck Collins > CCNP > > --- > > > We are looking at four new 24 port switches for our network. We have Cisco > and HP as our final contenders. Both the HP Procurve and the Cisco > Catalyst carry similar specs, but the HP is about 20% of the cost of the > Cisco. Can someone give me a REAL reason why the Cisco Catalyst would be a > better choice. Our network is all 10/100 for now and we won't need Gigabit > for at least a couple of years. We need these switches to be in 24 port > configurations as the company is going to split in two in a couple of months > and move half of the operations to another building, so we need to be able > to split the network as needed. I know this is a Cisco group, which is why > I am asking it here, because I want a BIASED opinion of why Cisco would be > better in this situation. Thank you all for your suggestions. > > Denis > > > Denis A. Baldwin > Network Administrator - CAE, Inc. > A+, MCP, i-Net+, Network+ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 810-231-9373, ext. 229 > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What to build?
I second that. Keep the 2621 and get some 2500's because the WIC ports for the 2600 + RAM upgrades for Enterprise will kill you $$$ wise. My 2500's have Compaq memory in them! The Local Director should be your Cash Cow. You should be able to sell that unit for a good price. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frank Wells Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What to build? Keep one of the 2621's and sell the rest. From the proceeds you could buy 5-6 2500 series routers and assemble a decent lab. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: What to build? >Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:11:23 EST > >The Router gods have smiled... >I have been given some excess equipment to start a lab with. I am presently >pursuing my CCNP and would like to solicit some opinions as to what would >be >the most beneficial configs for me to try and build? The Equipment: > >2 Cisco 2621 routers >1 Cisco 2610 router >1 Local Director 416 > >There are no serial links on the 2600's that I am going to use, just >Ethernet. Can someone suggest a good place to begin? Thanks for your help. > >-Clay > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I agree... I think the CCIE will always stand out because of its testing nature, but ANY computer based test certification can lose its worth because of EXAM-Crams type materials. The Transenders is another product that will help destroy the value of Cisco certifications. I have seen people who have never touched a NT server get their MCSE's in a month because they can memorize answers using Transenders. Would you want to hire this guy? The more and more CCNP's and CCDA's you see out there, the more you should be focused on moving to higher ground to ensure your marketability. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Walden Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:19 AM To: Mohamed Heeba Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco I think that training and certificates is a market all unto itself. The Cisco training portion could break out and stand alone because you still have to know about the foundations of network to get through it. When someone else develops a training and cert program as comprehensive, then the training sector will also see competition. andy On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote: > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long > time this value is going to retain its bright ?? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM > > To: Mohamed Heeba > > Subject:Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > > > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At some > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with a > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other > > manufacturers don't have that problem. > > > > andy > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > > > hi guys > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much > > more > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to > > discuss > > > this > > > > > > > > > Mohamed > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
Inamul, What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your application is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a TON of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future feature. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desai, Inamul Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch. We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not deliver test box so we had to go their lab. Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it, we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme. Inamul -Original Message- From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for an ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice to be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits. FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for putting you into the mindset of the exam. Joseph -Original Message- From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management products that we're yet to see from other vendors. It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in those markets. And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs & CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons. (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have not used Boson tests... :-) Bharat Suneja "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL... > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long > time this value is going to retain its bright ?? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM > > To: Mohamed Heeba > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > > > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At some > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with a > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other > > manufacturers don't have that problem. > > > > andy > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > > > hi guys > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much > > more > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to > > discuss > > > th
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
Inamul, It sounds like your switch will do fine for what you plan to do now. Do you have enough traffic that requires you to put in a faster switch? If you are only going to create VLANs, do ISL trunking, port/VLAN spanning, and CGMP (Not IGMP snooping), your Sup-I should be fine. It always helps to have a faster switch, but do you need it? If you want to stay with Cisco and the price is too high, you might want to just upgrade the Sup-I, or look at the Catalyst 4000. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desai, Inamul Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco We have gone comparing application can Extreme and Cisco deliver. We met both Cisco reps and extreme and we have good relation with local Cisco office cos we have been Cisco customer for years. I know Cisco would be more flexible than any other products but delivery date is turning Cisco down. We have cat5 and with supervisor I, so we want to upgrade cat5 to faster backplane switch with VLAN, intervlan routing, spanning and probably multicasting. Extreme does support all standard protocols and feature with faster backplane. I would personally go to Cisco router but there is no huge appealing feature of Cisco which I can pass to my manager comparing cost and upgrades.. Thanks Eddie -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:07 PM To: Desai, Inamul; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco Inamul, What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your application is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a TON of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future feature. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desai, Inamul Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch. We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not deliver test box so we had to go their lab. Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it, we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme. Inamul -Original Message- From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for an ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice to be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits. FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for putting you into the mindset of the exam. Joseph -Original Message- From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management products that we're yet to see from other vendors. It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in those markets. And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is still required even to implement other vendors&
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
Andy, I am not slamming the Extreme switch. They make a fair switch. I am just stating facts. I would buy Foundry before I buy Extreme. Foundry makes a better switch than Extreme, and is also cheaper than Cisco. I will go over what I wrote: facts. 1) Enterprises do not come close to switching capacities - FACT 98% of the time. 2) The Catalyst 6500 offers more features - FACT (I will go into more detail if you want) 3) Cisco has a road map for all future IOS features. Cisco can tell you what will be in 12.1(10) if you wanted to know. Every IOS release is planned feature wise. -Eddie -Original Message- From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:58 PM To: Eddie Parra Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco This is the second email I have seen from someone at Cisco slamming the competition and promoting their stuff today. If your a sales guy fine, find the cisco sales list and those that want to here it will subscribe. I'm sure someone can contact their Cisco sales rep for the kinda of vague information and subtle slams listed below. If you wanted to offer a accurate list of features between the two products, I imagine it would be better recieved. andy On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote: > Inamul, > > What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your application > is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching > ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a TON > of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need > now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future > feature. > > -Eddie > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Desai, Inamul > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch. > We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not > deliver test box so we had to go their lab. > > Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster > than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it, > we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders > or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market > share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on > CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme. > > > Inamul > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM > To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for an > ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar > with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an > easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice to > be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the > biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits. > > FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for putting > you into the mindset of the exam. > > Joseph > > -Original Message- > From: Bharat Suneja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. > > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management > products that we're yet to see from other vendors. > > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. > > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in > those markets. > > And as someone correctly pointed o
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I will like to add something to this also. I was the director of technology for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE to hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry. This isn't a slam, this is a fact. There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn Internetworking technologies on Cisco products. You also have to consider things like this when you make a purchasing decision. One other thing I think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support group available 24-7-365. Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bharat Suneja Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management products that we're yet to see from other vendors. It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in those markets. And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs & CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons. (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have not used Boson tests... :-) Bharat Suneja "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL... > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long > time this value is going to retain its bright ?? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM > > To: Mohamed Heeba > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > > > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At some > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with a > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other > > manufacturers don't have that problem. > > > > andy > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > > > hi guys > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much > > more > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to > > discuss > > > this > > > > > > > > > Mohamed > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
Redback is another impressive company... I have been researching them a lot lately. They are forming well... -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bharat Suneja Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of - Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al and I'd pretty much love to get my hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback. Bharat Suneja - Original Message - From: "Eddie Parra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > I will like to add something to this also. I was the director of technology > for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE to > hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry. This isn't a > slam, this is a fact. There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to > forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn > Internetworking technologies on Cisco products. You also have to consider > things like this when you make a purchasing decision. One other thing I > think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support > group available 24-7-365. Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor. > > -Eddie > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Bharat Suneja > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et al > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. > > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to recommend > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management > products that we're yet to see from other vendors. > > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. > > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is Cisco > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in > those markets. > > And as someone correctly pointed out, the basic networking knowledge is > still required even to implement other vendors' products. I doubt the CCIE > will lose its value any time soon, but we just might see a deluge of CCNAs & > CCNPs bred on the ExamCrams, Transcenders & Bosons. > > (I'm yet to determine how many of the people on this newsgroup have/have not > used Boson tests... :-) > > Bharat Suneja > > > "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A3@MINAMAIL... > > so wat do u think the value of Cisco Certificates in the market , how long > > time this value is going to retain its bright ?? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Andy Walden [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:34 AM > > > To: Mohamed Heeba > > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > > > > > > > > They won't die, but they are loosing a ton of market share. Juniper is > > > really kicking them hard on the router side (7xxx-12xxx). Foundry and > > > Extreme are kicking them hard on the enterprise side (5xxx-6xxx). At > some > > > point its all going to add up and be very painful for Cisco. That is the > > > price of being the big boy in town. They are slow and strapped down with > a > > > huge existing customer based and bloated buggy IOS where the other > > > manufacturers don't have that problem. > > > > > > andy > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > > > > > hi guys > > > > just coming n
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I agree with your statement concerning RedBack. According to the Dell O'Group (How ever you spell it), we supposedly have market share? I was surprised to read this. This is the same company that says Juniper is stealing market share from us. If you look at Cisco's track record, new products don't shine as well as they do 1-2 years later. The Catalyst switch is a good example. Think of the first Catalyst switch and look how it has evolved. When I look at the road maps to certain products I do get blown away from some of the things we have planned. I think it takes some time to add the Cisco "touch" to the products we acquire. What do you think of the physical layout of our boxes? This is something that I always hear negative things about from CO guys... -Eddie -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:48 AM To: Eddie Parra Cc: Bharat Suneja; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote: > Redback is another impressive company... I have been researching them a lot > lately. They are forming well... > Redback is a good example where Cisco wasn't quick enough to get a product out. The Redback SMS works very well as a DSL concentrator. The "cisco" solution was IOS running on their routers. This did not and does not work very well. Cisco now has DSL concentrators of their own, but the price point is pretty high and acceptance isn't there yet. Brian > -Eddie > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Bharat Suneja > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:00 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > Couldn't agree with you more. I do happen to work for a company that's > mostly non-Cisco - and heavy on every other platform you can think of - > Redback, Extreme, Juniper, et al and I'd pretty much love to get my > hands wet with all those platforms.. particularly Juniper & Redback. > > Bharat Suneja > > - Original Message - > From: "Eddie Parra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Bharat Suneja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:16 PM > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > I will like to add something to this also. I was the director of > technology > > for a startup .dot-com before I worked at Cisco. I couldn't find ANYONE > to > > hire for over 6 weeks who knew Juniper, Extreme, or Foundry. This isn't a > > slam, this is a fact. There are more Cisco savvy people out there, not to > > forget about the thousands, including yourselves, who are trying to learn > > Internetworking technologies on Cisco products. You also have to consider > > things like this when you make a purchasing decision. One other thing I > > think most people will agree on is that TAC is HANDS DOWN the best support > > group available 24-7-365. Sometimes technology isn't the deciding factor. > > > > -Eddie > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Bharat Suneja > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:33 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > > > I'd just like to point out one fact that most enterprises do give a lot of > > thought before making purchase decisions - Extreme, Foundry, Juniper, et > al > > DO NOT have end-to-end solutions. Cisco does. > > > > The former also do not have a trained pool of network engineers to > recommend > > and implement their products, whereas you'll find plenty of Cisco-trained, > > Cisco-experienced network engineers, designers & support professionals. > > Cisco IOS offers one consistent interface & CLI throughout most of its > > product line. Cisco also offers an impressive range of Network Management > > products that we're yet to see from other vendors. > > > > It's an endless debate - but not all enterprise networks require the > > performance & capabilities of a Juniper or a Foundry. > > > > Having said that, let me also add that as things stand, by no means is > Cisco > > technologically the most superior throughout the length & breadth of its > > entire prouduct line. Juniper, Extreme, Foundry and others do have their > > niches that they fill quite effectively, and pose challanges to Cisco in > > those markets. > > > > And as someone correctly pointed out, the
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
The buy back policy is very cool! I did a huge migration from 2500's to 2600's and Cisco let us keep a bunch of the 2500's for our CCIE study lab. (This is before I worked for Cisco). We had to sign a certificate of destruction and promise never to use these 2500's in a production environment. They take the serial numbers down to ensure this. This way SmartNet can never be purchased for them. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dost Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco I am in canada and we compared for both products including same $ of 100/Gig. ports, service contract for 2 years and future backplane upgrade and addition of more modules. It turned out only CDN $ 1 diffrence between Cisco and Extreme for 2 6509s or 2 Extremers because we get better deal as we were quated goverment pricing. Cisco also has buy back policy so they will credit us bit for Cat5000. The reseller we deal with never sold extreme product but now they do as they always have spare box to lend custoemer for demo. Inamul "John Nemeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Mar 29, 10:18am, Brian wrote: > } > } We had a need to upgrade our workcloset switches. > } > } We needed 72 10/100 ports, gigabit capibility, dual power. > } > } Cat 5000, 3 24 port 10/100 blades, gigabit, Supervisor, and dual power, > } came to like $65000 or some crazy number like that. total switch fabric? > } 3Gbps > } > } Foundry FastIron II was about $15k list, $12k street price. Total switch > } fabric 16Gbps, with a packet forwarding speed that stomped on the cisco. > } The switch's OS is almost identical to IOS as well. > > This just illustrates why one should work through a knowledgable > reseller, instead of trying to put something together on their own. I > did some number crunching (prices in CDN$, prices may vary, etc. > etc.): > > Cat 5505, 3 x 24FE, SupIIG, extra AC -- $40,204,80 > bundled 5505 + SupIIG, bundled 3 x 24FE, extra AC -- $36,937.20 > > Of course, instead of using legacy equipment, I would recommend going with > the Cat 4000: > > bundled 4003 + 48FE + 32FE/2G, extra AC -- $22,250.40 > > This gives a total of 80 10/100 ports and only costs 2/3rds as much. > It also has a 24G backplane. One thing, I've noticed is that Cisco > switches tend to have lots of bandwidth. > > Converting your Foundry FastIron II to CDN$ gives $18,000. Although, > to be fair, I would have to find a CDN supplier and apply the same > markup. > > P.S. Doesn't anybody believe in snipping irrelevent content > anymore??? > > }-- End of excerpt from Brian > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I completely understand. I think I also need to articulate my tone in these emails because most people will assume I am slamming a product. I am very open minded about Technology. I have said before, Juniper and Foundry has very impressive technology. I like Juniper's XBGP a lot. I hope future emails concerning these topics will stay constructive and educational for everyone. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Walden Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:48 AM To: Eddie Parra Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco Eddie, I appreciate your reply. Just remember that you are a representative of Cisco and you need to put your words into that context. When you say something in the future, especially about a competitor, be prepared to be called out on the floor to back it up with actual facts and some sort of source for your data. andy On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote: > Andy, > > I am not slamming the Extreme switch. They make a fair switch. I am > just stating facts. I would buy Foundry before I buy Extreme. Foundry > makes a better switch than Extreme, and is also cheaper than Cisco. I will > go over what I wrote: facts. > > 1) Enterprises do not come close to switching capacities - FACT 98% of the > time. > 2) The Catalyst 6500 offers more features - FACT (I will go into more > detail if you want) > 3) Cisco has a road map for all future IOS features. Cisco can tell you > what will be in 12.1(10) if you wanted to know. Every IOS release is > planned feature wise. > > -Eddie > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Walden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:58 PM > To: Eddie Parra > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > > This is the second email I have seen from someone at Cisco slamming the > competition and promoting their stuff today. If your a sales guy > fine, find the cisco sales list and those that want to here it will > subscribe. I'm sure someone can contact their Cisco sales rep for the > kinda of vague information and subtle slams listed below. If you wanted to > offer a accurate list of features between the two products, I imagine it > would be better recieved. > > > andy > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Eddie Parra wrote: > > > Inamul, > > > > What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your > application > > is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching > > ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a > TON > > of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need > > now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future > > feature. > > > > -Eddie > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Desai, Inamul > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > > > > > My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch. > > We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not > > deliver test box so we had to go their lab. > > > > Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster > > than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it, > > we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders > > or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market > > share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on > > CCNP but wish Cisco could deliver box yesterday like extreme. > > > > > > Inamul > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joseph Ezerski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 10:38 AM > > To: 'Bharat Suneja'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco > > > > > > You bring up very good points. I would like to add another. I work for > an > > ISP and there is a lot to be said for a homogenous network. I am familiar > > with IOS and as the majority of our network devices are Cisco, I have an > > easier time learning new things or figuring out others. Also, it is nice > to > > be able to go to one source to get answers. I am not necessarily the > > biggest fan of Cisco, but going the Cisco route does have major benefits. > > > > FYI, I have used Boson Tests. I find them to be excellent tools for > putting > > you into the mindset of the exam. > &g
RE: OSPF Troubleshooting
OSPF Design guide by Cisco Press. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:59 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: OSPF Troubleshooting I have Jeff Doyle's TCP/IP routing book, but it doesn't cover troubleshooting OSPF very deeply. CCO didn't have much to offer either. Anybody have a good source for this? Thanks, Rik , This mail was processed by Mail essentials for Exchange/SMTP, the email security & management gateway. Mail essentials adds content checking, email encryption, anti spam, anti virus, attachment compression, personalised auto responders, archiving and more to your Microsoft Exchange Server or SMTP mail server. For more information visit http://www.mailessentials.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme and Cisco
Throw ACL's on both products and then see how they perform... This is a true test... Does anyone know how eXtreme performs with ACL's? I know the Cat6500 will do wirespeeds with NetFlow... -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desai, Inamul Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:18 PM To: 'Paul Fazzone' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme and Cisco THIS IS WHAT I FOUND ON THEIR SITES. EXTREME: http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/datasheets/bd.asp?anchor=techspecs Industry--leading Layer 3 switching performance, availability and port density 6808 Non-blocking 128 Gbps backplane yields over 96 million packet per second throughput 6816 Non-blocking 256 Gbps backplane yields over 192 million packet per second throughput CISCO: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/tech/ios6k_wp.htm Catalyst Family Switches Catalyst 6000 Series Catalyst 6500 Series Slot Density 6 or 9 slots 6 or 9 slots Backplane Capacity 32 Gbps Scalable to 256 Gbps Multilayer Switching Scalable to 150 Mpps So, Cisco can do 150MPPS with 256 backplane and extreme will do 192MPPS with 256GBPS backplane. Inamul -Original Message- From: Paul Fazzone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 2:54 PM To: Desai, Inamul Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco Last I heard, the 6816 w/256Gig backplane, was not yet shipping and was still a ways off... http://www.extremenetworks.com/products/datasheets/bd.asp?anchor=techspecs The 6808 is shipping and the numbers on this can be found on the above URL. That is where I got my numbers for the Black Diamond from. True the C6K requires the X-Bar Switching Fabric to do 256G(@$15000 list), but it is orderable today. In regards to the pps figures, both the 150Mpps and 95Mpps are from the vendors web sites. "Desai, Inamul" wrote: > They both supports 256GBPS and I do not think current > C65 comes with 256GBPS. It only comes with 32GBPS, > you have to spend more than 10k to upgrade to 256GBPS. > How did u calculate 150MPPS on cisco and only 95MPPS > while they both got 256GBPs backplance. I am big fan of > Cisco but I did not understand the way u calculated PPS. > thnaks > Inamul > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Fazzone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mohamed Heeba > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > That was based on the Cat6500 with the 32Gig switching fabric and used old > line > cards which were out of date even at the time of the test. The current > version > of the box supports a 256Gig fabric with distributed line cards and > performance > around 150Million PPS. The Extreme is around 95Mpps and if you lose one of > the > 2 switching fabrics in the Black Diamond, that number get cut in half. With > the C6k, if you lose one of the Xbar switch fabrics, you still have the full > 150Mpps performance. > > pf > > Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > yeah i guess it was that one > > if u have anything that can skrew extreme ..forward it to me > > thx > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Fazzone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:24 PM > > To: Mohamed Heeba > > Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco > > > > Was the gist of their presentation based on the ZDNET Comparison of the > > Black Diamond v. > > Cat6500? If so, let me know, as I have a truckload of info refuting > > that > > > > pf > > > > Mohamed Heeba wrote: > > > > > hi guys > > > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much > more > > > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think > > > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like > > > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to > > discuss > > > this > > > > > > Mohamed > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What can CDP offer ?
You can also route with it using ODR... -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony van Ree Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 4:41 PM To: CCIE TB; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What can CDP offer ? Hi Adia, I have found that CDP allows a bundle of good things. Below are some examples, A couple of switches on different LAN's the client tells me are configured correctly on each LAN with the correct SNMP community name cannot be discovered using SNMP and he cannot Telnet to them. I am the supplier of the routers. I perform a "sh cdp nei det" and in an instant can tell my client what he has done is configured the switches on a bench in his office. Put them into the car and delivered each switch to the wrong building and therefore the switches are configured for a different LAN. On an FDDI link a major client can see the services on the ring but cannot get data from point A to B. A quick glipmse "sh cdp nei det" once again reveals the two routers in question have an IP address mixup. In this case both the same IP address. Looking through the ARP table would confirm this but the there were several hundred entries there. I wanted to know if I had exactly matched my drawing for a switched network having some 50 2900XL switches going into a 5500. I also needed to document serial no.s etc. "sh cdp nei" gave me where the switches were. It was a simple matter antering the data into the 5500 so this was in a sense self documenting. A cut and paste of the details gave me the resto of my doco. When IP, AppleTalk and/or IPX fails CDP might still be there and show config issues. CDP is very handy. Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 at 11:25:44 PM, CCIE TB wrote: > Hi group members, > > I'm just wondering...if you can access a router by telneting to it, you can > get most of the information that you will get through CDP. Then what is the > benefit of CDP? > > Thanks to all > > Adia > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- www.tasmail.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco sales engineer -- ARGH!
Kenneth, I have been in your shoes. You need to voice this to your sales team. Unfortunately there are people out there who don't have your intelligence and would have been in AWE by his/her recommendation. I am not referencing this to Cisco, but to the situation in general. I am not speaking negatively of your SE, Sales Team, or Cisco either. Keep in mind that a sales team is a tool that you should use to your benefit. If a SE has his head in the clouds, make sure to let him know you are still on the ground, for whatever product he is trying to sell you, for whatever vendor he works for. This will help ensure a productive relationship for both parties. -Eddie P.S. If you have 170 users, you should think about purchasing a 12016 GSR for each of them... (SMILE) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kenneth Lorenzo Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco sales engineer -- ARGH! Is it just me or is it that Sales engineers at Cisco try to sell stuff that they don't even know will fit right for the environment at which the Cisco stuff are to be installed. Take for instance, I invited a Sales engineer to come over our office this morning showing him what our network looks like. We have about 170 users connected to HP 4000 Switches. Anyway, this guy walks in, tells me that "oh, this is not the best solution. The best solution is to go with a pair of 6500 Catalyst switches for redundancy with an intergrated router and VLANs blah blah blah". It seems like he just got off a class about 6500 and he was inspired to sell it to us using every acronymn he heard at the training class. $12000 MSRP for a 48 port 10/100 is not exactly a selling point when it comes to comparing prices with either HP or Foundry. This guy doesn't even know that 6500s aren't normally implemented in the Access Layer unless we have some spare $100,000 to throw around! Just because they work for Cisco doesn't mean they're network engineers! Whew,... that felt good. I needed to vent a little. Now, I look forward to Monday when I'm supposed to meet with a CCIE who works for Foundry... Kenneth _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco sales engineer -- ARGH!
Sometimes it is hard to for certain customers to get access to System Engineers other than Sales Engineers. Sales Engineers are expected to have a strong knowledge of their assigned products and any related technologies conceptually. They also don't get a lot of hands on time because they are not expected to. This is a job for our partners or our own Professional Service team. No matter what you ALWAYS want more than one opinion in anything you purchase or implement. Everyone has a different way to do things, and this is where this mailing list provides a lot of value. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Bond Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco sales engineer -- ARGH! 1. I think you should talk to a Systems Engineer, not Sales Engineer. 2. 6500 switch doesn't fit in your network doesn't mean Foundry is better; likewise this sale guy is idiot doesn't mean all sales guys at Cisco are idiots. I say this because I'm very happy with Cisco SEs. I've worked with at least 15 of Cisco SEs, most of them are kind, helpful and knowledgeable. Just my opion. Jim --- Kenneth Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it just me or is it that Sales engineers at Cisco > try to sell stuff that > they don't even know will fit right for the > environment at which the Cisco > stuff are to be installed. Take for instance, I > invited a Sales engineer to > come over our office this morning showing him what > our network looks like. > We have about 170 users connected to HP 4000 > Switches. Anyway, this guy > walks in, tells me that "oh, this is not the best > solution. The best > solution is to go with a pair of 6500 Catalyst > switches for redundancy with > an intergrated router and VLANs blah blah blah". > > It seems like he just got off a class about 6500 and > he was inspired to sell > it to us using every acronymn he heard at the > training class. $12000 MSRP > for a 48 port 10/100 is not exactly a selling point > when it comes to > comparing prices with either HP or Foundry. This guy > doesn't even know that > 6500s aren't normally implemented in the Access > Layer unless we have some > spare $100,000 to throw around! > > Just because they work for Cisco doesn't mean > they're network engineers! > Whew,... that felt good. I needed to vent a little. > > Now, I look forward to Monday when I'm supposed to > meet with a CCIE who > works for Foundry... > > Kenneth > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What can CDP offer ? (whats ODR???)
Check it out... ODR... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/105/47.html#Q1 -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What can CDP offer ? (whats ODR???) In a message dated 12/14/00 9:35:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You can also route with it using ODR... > > -Eddie > Hey, never heard of this and I never knew you could route with CDP??? If you could, please explain to me what ODR is and why I haven't seen it in any books. Thanks... Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/2-NP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Even if I knew I had only 1 more week to live, I would still schedule my CCIE lab. I would just have to work a little harder I guess. After all, without any goals in life, I'm dead already." ~Mark Zabludovsky~ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme and Cisco
Was it the Cat6500 or Cat6500-OSR? -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of inamul Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eXtreme and Cisco There is also review on Extreme 6808 and cat65 and Cisco winds the award. They also compared other vendors. My company is gonna buy cos we can get it in 2 weeks unlike Cisco April 2001. Inamul "Mohamed Heeba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A2@MINAMAIL">news:91B200CBBEC3D111992A00805F31E6CB8807A2@MINAMAIL... > hi guys > just coming now from extreme presentation .looks like they have much more > stronger products than cisco (in giga swtiches of course )do u think > guys that Cisco is going to die because of small focused companies like > extreme and jinper ??? if anyone feel interested ..we would like to discuss > this > > > Mohamed > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco
I never got back to this email and I am sorry I took so long... 1) The 6509 has a 256Mbit backplane capacity. 2) I am not a Cat6500 person, but I thought the Cat6500 Sup's run in parallel? (Anyone know off hand?) 3) I am not sure what you mean by local switching. The 6500 uses dCEF (Distributed CEF) where as Extreme uses flow based routing. Most people don't even know what dCEF is... 4) You are correct. The Catalyst is a layer 2 switch that has routing abilities with added hardware. Cisco is not the only Vendor that does this. 5) True... But again... Cisco isn't the only company that advertises their equipment like this. Foundry is a good example. A Cat6500 has 9 slots - 1 Sup. You don't have to put in two Sups. Most people buy two switches... Another downside to eXtreme is that they only support 10/100/1000 and Giga-Etherchannel where the 6500 supports those plus T1/E1, T3/E3, STM/1/4/16, OC3/12/48, ATM & POS, ...etc. Both products are very different from one another... If you want to talk about cutting edge, the 6500 OSR uses a new technology called PXF (Parallel eXpress Forwarding, read below). The eXtreme uses ASIC's which have fixed functionality with a 12-18 month life cycle. This is a Cisco engineered technology that wasn't obtained from an acquisition. This is the first (to my knowledge, so please correct me if I am wrong) reprogramable ASIC-type processor. Cisco has always been known for functionally and not speed, and this will be changing soon. -Eddie PXF Field Upgradeable Parallel eXpress Forwarding (PXF) is based on microcode and can be upgraded with new software features in future IOS releases. The PXF processor enables IP parallel processing functions that work with the primary processor to provide accelerated IP Layer 3 feature processing. The PXF processor off-loads IP packet processing and switching functions from the Route Processor (RP) to provide accelerated and highly consistent switching performance when coupled with one or more of several IP services features such as access control lists (ACLs), address translation, quality of service (QoS), flow accounting, and traffic shaping. PXF offers the advantage of hardware-based switching power, plus the flexibility of a programmable architecture. The PXF architecture provides future-proofingif additional features are added in the future, an application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) will not be required. New features for accelerated services can be added by reprogramming the PXF processor. -Original Message- From: Mohamed Heeba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:27 AM To: 'Eddie Parra'; Desai, Inamul; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco hi Eddie ; i was waiting someone from cisco to answer the question which i raised yesterday ,i love to work on the Cisco products ..but alas...love is not enough ...wat Ton of features the Cisco switch has and extreme one doesnt ?? this is a good point to start defeat Cisco against the young guys . is Cisco in the way to solve their performance problems against extreme ?? some of the problems Extreme usually say against cisco is 1- 6509 is blocking with only 32 G backplane capacity 2- the second Supervisor engine is always in standby mode 3-the network modules cannot do local switching 4- layer 3 features need to add more and more hardware 5- 6509 is NOT 9 slots in fact is only 7 i guess Cisco should have to do something to solve these problems then there will not be any problem to win ANY project against the young guys thx -Original Message- From: Eddie Parra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:07 PM To: Desai, Inamul; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco Inamul, What do you need the switch to do? I am not sure what your application is, but most enterprises come NO WHERE close to either products switching ability. I say this not because I work for Cisco, but our switch does a TON of things the extreme switch doesn't. Ask yourself what features you need now and also look at the roadmaps (if extreme even offers one) for future feature. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Desai, Inamul Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: eXtreme ,juniper, Foundary and Cisco My company just about to choose Cisco 6509 or EXtreme switch. We even brought extreme switch for evolution, Cisco could not deliver test box so we had to go their lab. Anyway, they both have pros and cons and extreme is way faster than Cisco with better pricing. With Cisco, even if want to buy it, we will have to wait till April 2001 as Cisco can not fill in orders or they do not have any in stock. Cisco is definitely loosing market share on switching side. I would prefer Cisco cos I am working on CCNP but wi
RE: What can CDP offer ? (whats ODR???)
I am very surprised how many people emailed me about ODR. When I first started playing with 12.0 code I was doing "?" everywhere to see what was new. It was the first time I ever noticed it. I think it was out before 12.0(x), but guess I never noticed it. If you want a good tip for studying for your CCIE, do "?" everywhere and know what every command does. Someone told me this once and I thought they were crazy, but after months of studying, it really is the right path to take. -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What can CDP offer ? (whats ODR???) In a message dated 12/15/00 3:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Check it out... ODR... > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/105/47.html#Q1 > > > -Eddie > Wow, I'm wondering why I haven't come across this in ANY of my studies. This seems like a good solution for some types of networks. I can see how it would have to be very carefully planned out though. Thanks for the link, it's definitely going into my favorites folder... Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/2-NP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Even if I knew I had only 1 more week to live, I would still schedule my CCIE lab. I would just have to work a little harder I guess. After all, without any goals in life, I'm dead already." ~Mark Zabludovsky~ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Juniper
Look at the financials... They say something totally different... -Eddie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Nguyen Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:07 PM To: Priscilla Oppenheimer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Juniper Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > > At 10:17 AM 12/15/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > is very hard to get your hands on a Juniper router... they are selling > > like hotcakes. > > And how about Juniper stock!? &;-) Like most tech stocks, they have recently slumped. but let's look at the numbers anyway as of Dec. 15th: Juniper is +113% for year 2000 Cisco is -11% for year 2000 and just for fun, how about extreme and foundry: Extreme is +71% for year 2000 Foundry is -77% for year 2000 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2501, 2502, & 2503 for sale...
For sale: 1 - 2501 with 8/8 RAM (1 Ethernet, 2 Serial) 1 - 2502 with 8/8 RAM (1 Token Ring, 2 Serial) 1 - 2503 with 8/8 RAM (1 Ethernet, 1 ISDN, 2 Serial) 1 - v.35 DTE Cable (I do not have a DCE cable) I am asking $2500 for everything. I am looking to sell this ASAP. Please email me if you are interested. I accept paypal and money orders, buyer pays shipping. -Eddie _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Equipment for sale...
I am selling the equipment in my CCIE rack if anyone is interested separately. Here is what I am asking for the units. (1) 2610 24/8 (No Wics) $1100 (1) 2610 32/8 (No Wics) $1200 (2) 2503 8/8 $600 (each) (1) CS-516 $500 (1) Catalyst 2901$1900 (1) Teltone ISDN Simulator $1500 Misc (2) NM-1V$500 (each) (1) FXO WIC $150 (1) FXS WIC $150 (2) WIC-1T $250 (each) (1) 4000 4T $500 I prefer Pay Pal and will only ship within the US. Buyer pays shipping. Please email me if you have any questions. Thank you... -Eddie Eddie M. Parra, CCIE# 6428 Professional Services Project Engineer II | |GCOE Customer Core Design Team ||| ||| Virtual Office: (954) 455-8161 .|. .|. Fax: (954) 458-8148 / eFax (413) 845-5684 .:|:.:|:. Cellular: (954) 647-3656 C i s c o S y s t e m s Email Page: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Empowering the Internet Generation" _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Equipment for Sale
For those who are interested in the equipment I have for sale, and have contacted me via phone, please email me. I am selling everything on a first come, first serve basis via email using the time & date stamp. I apologize for not stating this earlier. Thank you for your cooperation. -Eddie Eddie M. Parra, CCIE# 6428 Professional Services Project Engineer II | |GCOE Customer Core Design Team ||| ||| Virtual Office: (954) 455-8161 .|. .|. Fax: (954) 458-8148 / eFax (413) 845-5684 .:|:.:|:. Cellular: (954) 647-3656 C i s c o S y s t e m s Email Page: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Empowering the Internet Generation" _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Global Knowledge ATM Class in Houston, Texas on 1/8/2001
Is anyone out there attending the Global Knowledge ATM Class in Houston, Texas on 1/8/2001? -Eddie Eddie M. Parra, CCIE# 6428 Professional Services Project Engineer II | |GCOE Customer Core Design Team ||| ||| Virtual Office: (954) 455-8161 .|. .|. Fax: (954) 458-8148 / eFax (413) 845-5684 .:|:.:|:. Cellular: (954) 647-3656 C i s c o S y s t e m s Email Page: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Empowering the Internet Generation" _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
