Re: Cisco Prerequisites
On a similar, though less lofty note, I know little about Windows outside of how to make it nice in the IP/IPX world, yet I made it through the CCIE program. Getting to Howards level is more of a lifelong battle :) *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 8/7/00 at 2:01 PM Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >>SNIP >>" everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco >>route. Is this highly essential to succeed? " >>SNIP > >Let's see...I can set the IP parameters on a Windows host. I have a >reasonable understanding of the traffic effects. System >administration on Windows? Nahhh. > >UNIX, MacOS, IBM MVS, VMS, sure, as well as assorted real-time code. >Really Obscure Things like IBSYS, EXEC 8, IBM 1130 Disk Monitor, >AHS-11, IBM 360 DOS, PRIMOS, etcyep. > >Somehow, I have managed to eke out a networking existence. > > > >> >>No, I dont believe it is highly essential... however, I believe most that >>working in the Networking Infrastructure area have been brought up through >>the LAN/Server Administration area. >> >>MCSEs should have a better understanding of the associated Windows >>protocols. The same is true CNEs, they should have a better understanding of >>the Novell networking model and protocols. >> >>It boils down to experiance not letters or certifications. Just like >>anything else, you can work through the Cisco certifications with dedication >>and commitment, but experience will make this much easier to relate to. >> >>Ed >> >>Edward Moss >>CCNP, CCDP, CNE > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Prerequisites
I bow to your superior knowledge. I know how to sweep the data center, but I pay someone to do that for me too. FYI, I started using windows in the Lanmanager days, I've waded through enough netbios traffic to choke an OC-192. I wish I spent more time honing my UNIX skills so I could be where I am a couple years earlier. In my neighborhood, A good UNIX SA costs about 95-140k/yr A good NT admin costs about 60-85k/yr Erik Mintz Director, IT operations Crosslinks systems 1 Silicon Alley plaza New York, NY 10038 212-363-4100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Oz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 1:43 AM Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites | Erik, | | That took about 2 minutes to find on the web and you probably needed | service pack applied .. | Thats what the hell that means and we all know you hate windows and thats | fine . | But please you cannot tell new folks to forget it .. I have worked in | huge enviroments that had lots of NT and windows and many issues would | not have been solved if my knowledge of NT was not there.. | As a router dude you can get a lot of issues that can SEEM to be wan | related when in fact it can be simple desktop/server issues.. | Sure there are many folks out there that know networking and unix but also | by not knowing NT windows could limit those same folks too . | Just like my limited Unix limits me .too. | And for folks just starting up NT is fine as chances are they will start | at the desktop anyhow .. | And there is not many unix desktops around these days . | And whether you like it or not Cisco is making more stuff for NT all the | time and there are some that are NT windows only .. | I don't care for any particular OS to me they all are the same.. But I | have to care because many places are multi OS environments and you need to | know a little about them all. | And I am not trying to start an OS war here just trying to give some | balance here.. | The market has shifted and thats a fact and so will the workforce have to | shift in the direction of the market it's just that simple.. | For someone on a limited budget NT can help them out sure they can do | Linux but right now there is not much market for entry level Linux folks. | Whereas win NT desktop there is tons of work.. | | | And for Adedapo MTA errors usually are due to corrupted databases but I | have not played with exchange for a long time. But usally running MTACHECK | will fix it | | | | | A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member | > >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. | > >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB | > >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) | Oz | http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm | | ___ | UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html | FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com | Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: "Adedapo Ola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites > Point well understood. I have been reading through the basics of networking > and can frankly say, knowledge is bliss. > Sure I already know about a bit about networking, but it's amazing how much > can be acquired through reading since I have always been a more practical > i.e hands on , than theory type person. > As far as NT is concerned, I have toyed with it a lot and being that I have > not read up on troubleshooting the registry and solving blue screen issues, > I can't quite call my self the expert on it, but if getting an MCSE title is > what is required, hey, I'm all game. > When I started out in becoming a computer Engineer, I had no idea what this > meant, but in my last year I now realise that I don't want to be designing > FPGA's or debugging code. Plus, the industry still requires you to get all > these other certifications in addition to that, so what have I been doing in > school all these years then.? > But, my interests lie in cisco. I can sit in front of a terminal for 24 > hours without a flinch if given a command line interface and a donut and I > can almost gaurantee success before I leave. Now, unfortunately, I can't say > the same of NT, hence Linux has become my toy. > > But, since one has to make sacrifices, I'll get the MCSE and the CCNA and > hopefully get a job with a firm that at least exposes me to routers and pray > to God It all happens before the end of September to be able to meet all my > deadlines. > > Okay, I will take all the flames now positively, after all that's what > menthors are for. Thanks Adedapo > > - Original Message - > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites > > > > >SNIP > > >" everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco > > >route. Is this highly essential to succeed? " > > >SNIP > > > > Let's see...I can set the IP parameters on a Windows host. I have a > > reasonable understanding of the traffic effects. System > > administration on Windows? Nahhh. > > > > UNIX, MacOS, IBM MVS, VMS, sure, as well as assorted real-time code. > > Really Obscure Things like IBSYS, EXEC 8, IBM 1130 Disk Monitor, > > AHS-11, IBM 360 DOS, PRIMOS, etcyep. > > > > Somehow, I have managed to eke out a networking existence. > > > > > > > > > > > >No, I dont believe it is highly essential... however, I believe most that > > >working in the Networking Infrastructure area have been brought up > through > > >the LAN/Server Administration area. > > > > > >MCSEs should have a better understanding of the associated Windows > > >protocols. The same is true CNEs, they should have a better understanding > of > > >the Novell networking model and protocols. > > > > > >It boils down to experiance not letters or certifications. Just like > > >anything else, you can work through the Cisco certifications with > dedication > > >and commitment, but experience will make this much easier to relate to. > > > > > >Ed > > > > > >Edward Moss > > >CCNP, CCDP, CNE > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Prerequisites
most networks (small and medium size business/networks) use NT. So mcse is good to have, especially if your new in the field. In the MCSE course they'll tell u a bit about networking, ie packets, frame headers and suchput it this way, if u dident know that sorta stuff, and when u take the ICND courseyou'll get completely blown away, b/c ICND crams everything in your head for 1 week straightand by mid 3rd dayyour brainand i dont care if you were working as a mr. big shot A+ techy from some computer shop for 5 years!!!..lol.you'll still get blown away!!..so yay MCSE go for it!!!..=) p.s., im not really a BIG Microsucki mean Microsoft fanbut hey...its graphic friendly with users! my 1.4242343 cents Deepak Sharma MCSE CCNA ACT A+ Computer Dude =b Ceridian Canada "Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > >SNIP > >" everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco > >route. Is this highly essential to succeed? " > >SNIP > > Let's see...I can set the IP parameters on a Windows host. I have a > reasonable understanding of the traffic effects. System > administration on Windows? Nahhh. > > UNIX, MacOS, IBM MVS, VMS, sure, as well as assorted real-time code. > Really Obscure Things like IBSYS, EXEC 8, IBM 1130 Disk Monitor, > AHS-11, IBM 360 DOS, PRIMOS, etcyep. > > Somehow, I have managed to eke out a networking existence. > > > > >No, I dont believe it is highly essential... however, I believe most that > >working in the Networking Infrastructure area have been brought up through > >the LAN/Server Administration area. > > > >MCSEs should have a better understanding of the associated Windows > >protocols. The same is true CNEs, they should have a better understanding of > >the Novell networking model and protocols. > > > >It boils down to experiance not letters or certifications. Just like > >anything else, you can work through the Cisco certifications with dedication > >and commitment, but experience will make this much easier to relate to. > > > >Ed > > > >Edward Moss > >CCNP, CCDP, CNE > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- \\|// (o o) oOOo-(_)-oOOo *@ bcz finest @* ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>SNIP >" everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco >route. Is this highly essential to succeed? " >SNIP Let's see...I can set the IP parameters on a Windows host. I have a reasonable understanding of the traffic effects. System administration on Windows? Nahhh. UNIX, MacOS, IBM MVS, VMS, sure, as well as assorted real-time code. Really Obscure Things like IBSYS, EXEC 8, IBM 1130 Disk Monitor, AHS-11, IBM 360 DOS, PRIMOS, etcyep. Somehow, I have managed to eke out a networking existence. > >No, I dont believe it is highly essential... however, I believe most that >working in the Networking Infrastructure area have been brought up through >the LAN/Server Administration area. > >MCSEs should have a better understanding of the associated Windows >protocols. The same is true CNEs, they should have a better understanding of >the Novell networking model and protocols. > >It boils down to experiance not letters or certifications. Just like >anything else, you can work through the Cisco certifications with dedication >and commitment, but experience will make this much easier to relate to. > >Ed > >Edward Moss >CCNP, CCDP, CNE ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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SNIP " everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco route. Is this highly essential to succeed? " SNIP No, I dont believe it is highly essential... however, I believe most that working in the Networking Infrastructure area have been brought up through the LAN/Server Administration area. MCSEs should have a better understanding of the associated Windows protocols. The same is true CNEs, they should have a better understanding of the Novell networking model and protocols. It boils down to experiance not letters or certifications. Just like anything else, you can work through the Cisco certifications with dedication and commitment, but experience will make this much easier to relate to. Ed Edward Moss CCNP, CCDP, CNE ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT AIX info was Cisco Prerequisites a clarification here oops its a 860
Yep! Sounds like you've gotten yourself into the root account on an AIX box. >From what you've said, sounds like this box is running AIX 4.3.x (IBM'x implementation of UNIX). Also 'aixterm' is the xterm (X-windows teminal) under X-windows. For more info, check out the following sites; www.ugu.org (or search for the Unix Guru web site) www.ibm.com (Search for RS/6000 or AIX) comp.os.aix (News group from your favorite news reader) Good luck, and happy AIXing.;-) = > Rob Oz wrote: > my eyes are geting bad I think. > it's a 860 running 4.3 something AIX > > i got it up and running does anyone know any good AIX for pinhead type > sites. > i got into a aixterm > as > root@power509 # > is this like the super user account or did I just manage to create a shell > account ? > And Eric I owe you one talking about unix maybe me find this laptop and > play with it too lousy outside to be on the beach (sigh) > Oz > http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT AIX info was Cisco Prerequisites a clarification here oops its a 860
my eyes are geting bad I think. it's a 860 running 4.3 something AIX i got it up and running does anyone know any good AIX for pinhead type sites. i got into a aixterm as root@power509 # is this like the super user account or did I just manage to create a shell account ? And Eric I owe you one talking about unix maybe me find this laptop and play with it too lousy outside to be on the beach (sigh) Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Prerequisites a clarification here
Please note the Eric Chuck talks of and the the Eric I responded to are not one of the same. Don't want to get Eric G mad he might not send me any more books heh Also just again to clear the air I have HP-UX AIX boxes solaris intel and NT so it's not that I am fan of any .. Speaking of power PC's I have an AIX laptop it's an IBM R/S 6000 model 800 does anyone have one as I have few questions about this toy http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Very good points. This happens more than people think. For example: When Joe Blow can't get his webpage to come up or it is slow because of a DNS problem/issue, as far as he is concerned, his network sucks. All he thinks is that the network is really slow and the idea gets to other people and thinks escalate from there. Now, me, doing *just* the network portion of it, don't see any congestion issues or other problems but now I am responsible for doing my own investigation to find the real issue and telling the DNS admin why their DNS is having issues but have to provide proof that it is their fault before I do. Well, in order to do that, I have to know how the darn thing works. Same thing with anything else on the network, it is wise to find out how the networks attached device works, or you could find yourself getting blamed for the network being problematic when in fact, it is something else on the network failing or improperly configured. Anybody can be a ( insert cert here ), but it takes someone who knows how the whole system works to keep the network as a whole running and to be proactive in preventing problem(s) before they arise. Can you tell I have been bit once or twice? I'll tell ya this much, The buck always stops with me. ;-) Scott > To soften this a bit, I strongly recommend the reading of Eric Greenberg's > Network Application Frameworks > > Eric is another one of those guys who used to post here a lot. ( haven't > heard from him in a few months ) He and I struck up something of a rapport > when I discovered he and I shared the concern about fingerpointing in > troubleshooting exercises. For example, in his Preface, he lays out a > scenario in which "The company's sales staff has called a meeting with the > IS department to discuss the increasingly poor performance of their > worldwide sales processing application." Having been called to meetings like > this, in more than one organization, I learned very early in my career how > to take steps to determine what the real problem is, not the apparent one. > one of the reasons I find Howard's writing so interesting as well ) > > The point Eric makes, and one all of us needs be aware, is that there are > many reasons that network performance can be negatively effected. Cisco > places quite an emphasis on protocol behavior in its design certification > test. Probably because in the experience of Cisco, thorough understanding of > protocol behavior goes a long way toward designing good solid networks with > good performance. We see questions regularly on this group and elsewhere > asking questions, the answers to which come from understanding how NetBIOS > over TCP or certain UNIX functions operate. Let alone IP itself. > > In return, my strong opinion is that folks who do not spend the time > learning how networks work, and how the different parts interact, who just > want to be router jockeys, will certainly find themselves at the lower ends > of both the pay scale and the promotion scale. I know I am truly impressed > by a number of people I have met through this list, people who have taken > the time and put in the effort to learn Unix, and Linux, and Microsoft and > Novell. Folks like these have offered a lot of good advice and good insight > to problem solving questions that appear here regularly. > > Chuck > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Oz > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites > > Erik, > > That took about 2 minutes to find on the web and you probably needed > service pack applied .. > Thats what the hell that means and we all know you hate windows and thats > fine . > But please you cannot tell new folks to forget it .. I have worked in > huge enviroments that had lots of NT and windows and many issues would > not have been solved if my knowledge of NT was not there.. > As a router dude you can get a lot of issues that can SEEM to be wan > related when in fact it can be simple desktop/server issues.. > Sure there are many folks out there that know networking and unix but also > by not knowing NT windows could limit those same folks too . > Just like my limited Unix limits me .too. > And for folks just starting up NT is fine as chances are they will start > at the desktop anyhow .. > And there is not many unix desktops around these days . > And whether you like it or not Cisco is making more stuff for NT all the > time and there are some that are NT windows only .. > I don't care for any particular OS to me they all are the same.. But I > have to care because many places are multi OS environments and you need to > know a little abo
RE: Cisco Prerequisites
>To soften this a bit, I strongly recommend the reading of Eric Greenberg's >Network Application Frameworks > >Eric is another one of those guys who used to post here a lot. ( haven't >heard from him in a few months ) He and I struck up something of a rapport >when I discovered he and I shared the concern about fingerpointing in >troubleshooting exercises. For example, in his Preface, he lays out a >scenario in which "The company's sales staff has called a meeting with the >IS department to discuss the increasingly poor performance of their >worldwide sales processing application." Having been called to meetings like >this, in more than one organization, I learned very early in my career how >to take steps to determine what the real problem is, not the apparent one. > one of the reasons I find Howard's writing so interesting as well ) > >The point Eric makes, and one all of us needs be aware, is that there are >many reasons that network performance can be negatively effected. Cisco >places quite an emphasis on protocol behavior in its design certification >test. Probably because in the experience of Cisco, thorough understanding of >protocol behavior goes a long way toward designing good solid networks with >good performance. We see questions regularly on this group and elsewhere >asking questions, the answers to which come from understanding how NetBIOS >over TCP or certain UNIX functions operate. Let alone IP itself. > >In return, my strong opinion is that folks who do not spend the time >learning how networks work, and how the different parts interact, who just >want to be router jockeys, will certainly find themselves at the lower ends >of both the pay scale and the promotion scale. I know I am truly impressed >by a number of people I have met through this list, people who have taken >the time and put in the effort to learn Unix, and Linux, and Microsoft and >Novell. Folks like these have offered a lot of good advice and good insight >to problem solving questions that appear here regularly. > >Chuck No argument about what you're saying in the small to medium enterprise, or resellers that deal with this market. If you are working with ISPs, telcos, or enterprises large enough to effectively be their own ISP, the application protocol knowledge is much less important. Believe me, there's more of a shortage of people with a solid understanding of Internet exterior routing than there is for people who know both basic to intermediate IP plus Microsoft or Novell. UNIX user knowledge, not necessarily system administration, does tend to be important in the provider environment, where Microsoft has not penetrated nearly as far. No knowledge, of course, is useless. I've just spent a couple of days involved with planning network products for, among other things, third generation wireless. Some knowledge of image transfer, HTML and XML, WAP, etc., certainly was relevant there, although what was more important than the application protocols was their traffic characteristics and quality of service requirements. I did get extensively into network infrastructure such as DNS, address assignment, etc. Now, remember I am working as a product architect, so my day-to-day work will differ from people more operationally oriented. On the other hand, I have to specify products that the market will buy. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Prerequisites
To soften this a bit, I strongly recommend the reading of Eric Greenberg's Network Application Frameworks Eric is another one of those guys who used to post here a lot. ( haven't heard from him in a few months ) He and I struck up something of a rapport when I discovered he and I shared the concern about fingerpointing in troubleshooting exercises. For example, in his Preface, he lays out a scenario in which "The company's sales staff has called a meeting with the IS department to discuss the increasingly poor performance of their worldwide sales processing application." Having been called to meetings like this, in more than one organization, I learned very early in my career how to take steps to determine what the real problem is, not the apparent one. one of the reasons I find Howard's writing so interesting as well ) The point Eric makes, and one all of us needs be aware, is that there are many reasons that network performance can be negatively effected. Cisco places quite an emphasis on protocol behavior in its design certification test. Probably because in the experience of Cisco, thorough understanding of protocol behavior goes a long way toward designing good solid networks with good performance. We see questions regularly on this group and elsewhere asking questions, the answers to which come from understanding how NetBIOS over TCP or certain UNIX functions operate. Let alone IP itself. In return, my strong opinion is that folks who do not spend the time learning how networks work, and how the different parts interact, who just want to be router jockeys, will certainly find themselves at the lower ends of both the pay scale and the promotion scale. I know I am truly impressed by a number of people I have met through this list, people who have taken the time and put in the effort to learn Unix, and Linux, and Microsoft and Novell. Folks like these have offered a lot of good advice and good insight to problem solving questions that appear here regularly. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Oz Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites Erik, That took about 2 minutes to find on the web and you probably needed service pack applied .. Thats what the hell that means and we all know you hate windows and thats fine . But please you cannot tell new folks to forget it .. I have worked in huge enviroments that had lots of NT and windows and many issues would not have been solved if my knowledge of NT was not there.. As a router dude you can get a lot of issues that can SEEM to be wan related when in fact it can be simple desktop/server issues.. Sure there are many folks out there that know networking and unix but also by not knowing NT windows could limit those same folks too . Just like my limited Unix limits me .too. And for folks just starting up NT is fine as chances are they will start at the desktop anyhow .. And there is not many unix desktops around these days . And whether you like it or not Cisco is making more stuff for NT all the time and there are some that are NT windows only .. I don't care for any particular OS to me they all are the same.. But I have to care because many places are multi OS environments and you need to know a little about them all. And I am not trying to start an OS war here just trying to give some balance here.. The market has shifted and thats a fact and so will the workforce have to shift in the direction of the market it's just that simple.. For someone on a limited budget NT can help them out sure they can do Linux but right now there is not much market for entry level Linux folks. Whereas win NT desktop there is tons of work.. And for Adedapo MTA errors usually are due to corrupted databases but I have not played with exchange for a long time. But usally running MTACHECK will fix it A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member > >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. > >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB > >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All, Just to add my 0.02 worth. A good rule of thumb to keep in the back of your mind (actually, it's better off being at the front) when designing, managing [proactively :-)], or just plain ol lurchin from crisis to crisis is that the internetwork is there to provide a business need for the end user. That business need is invariably implemented across a variety of platforms, hence a hodge podge of protocols all glued together somehow to provide seemless, transparent (to the user preferably) connectivity and services. So, you still awake?, it would be advantageous to get to know one OS well and at least become familiar with the peculiarities of all the others (particularly if they're in your domain!). Cheers, Jack G. Jessen Communications Design and Management Pty. Ltd. Unit 35, 27 - 35 William Street Fremantle, Western Australia, 6160 Phone - 61 + 8 + 9433 2888 Fax - 61 + 8 + 9433 2911 "Oz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/08/2000 02:43:05 PM Please respond to "Oz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Jack Jessen/Sydney/CDM) Subject: Re: Cisco Prerequisites Erik, That took about 2 minutes to find on the web and you probably needed service pack applied .. Thats what the hell that means and we all know you hate windows and thats fine . But please you cannot tell new folks to forget it .. I have worked in huge enviroments that had lots of NT and windows and many issues would not have been solved if my knowledge of NT was not there.. As a router dude you can get a lot of issues that can SEEM to be wan related when in fact it can be simple desktop/server issues.. Sure there are many folks out there that know networking and unix but also by not knowing NT windows could limit those same folks too . Just like my limited Unix limits me .too. And for folks just starting up NT is fine as chances are they will start at the desktop anyhow .. And there is not many unix desktops around these days . And whether you like it or not Cisco is making more stuff for NT all the time and there are some that are NT windows only .. I don't care for any particular OS to me they all are the same.. But I have to care because many places are multi OS environments and you need to know a little about them all. And I am not trying to start an OS war here just trying to give some balance here.. The market has shifted and thats a fact and so will the workforce have to shift in the direction of the market it's just that simple.. For someone on a limited budget NT can help them out sure they can do Linux but right now there is not much market for entry level Linux folks. Whereas win NT desktop there is tons of work.. And for Adedapo MTA errors usually are due to corrupted databases but I have not played with exchange for a long time. But usally running MTACHECK will fix it A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member > >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. > >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB > >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Erik, That took about 2 minutes to find on the web and you probably needed service pack applied .. Thats what the hell that means and we all know you hate windows and thats fine . But please you cannot tell new folks to forget it .. I have worked in huge enviroments that had lots of NT and windows and many issues would not have been solved if my knowledge of NT was not there.. As a router dude you can get a lot of issues that can SEEM to be wan related when in fact it can be simple desktop/server issues.. Sure there are many folks out there that know networking and unix but also by not knowing NT windows could limit those same folks too . Just like my limited Unix limits me .too. And for folks just starting up NT is fine as chances are they will start at the desktop anyhow .. And there is not many unix desktops around these days . And whether you like it or not Cisco is making more stuff for NT all the time and there are some that are NT windows only .. I don't care for any particular OS to me they all are the same.. But I have to care because many places are multi OS environments and you need to know a little about them all. And I am not trying to start an OS war here just trying to give some balance here.. The market has shifted and thats a fact and so will the workforce have to shift in the direction of the market it's just that simple.. For someone on a limited budget NT can help them out sure they can do Linux but right now there is not much market for entry level Linux folks. Whereas win NT desktop there is tons of work.. And for Adedapo MTA errors usually are due to corrupted databases but I have not played with exchange for a long time. But usally running MTACHECK will fix it A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member > >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. > >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB > >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi, =) oh, i am a full time telecommunications student who is about to get his masters degree in 4 months (dec 2000). i have been studying CCNA, ACRC and had some hands on training with the IOS. i am currently working on BCRAN. i need to get a job by december or next year jan because of my status in the US. i have about 2500 to 3000 dollars to spend on anything, a cert that can help me to get a job real soon. cisco training (instructor- led) is too expensive, therefore i am thinking about MCSE. a little cheaper. i have only a PC at home that's all. and i do not have time to shop for any home networking equipment because again, i am going to school full time and my time staying in U.S is until feb. i was under the impression that any cert will helpme to get a job sooner than none. thank you >From: "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Croyle, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:20:57 -0400 > >Sooo... You want to get your MCSE because it is less expensive? In the >way >of hands on for Cisco, I will address that last. What is your current job, >and where do you want to be in say one year...Do you at work or at home >have an NT environment with clients and servers to have hands on with DHCP, >WINS et al? Tell us more, (or me) and I will give you a more informed >opinion. :-) Do the letters after my name mean I know everything? LOL no, >but they will help to validate my opinion. > >Jim Croyle >MCSE, CCNA, CNA, A+, and one test from CCNP. > > > >-Original Message- >From: kien theng lee >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 8/4/00 4:24 PM >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites > > >i am working on BCRAN exams and thinking about taking a break after that >and >turn to learning Windows. any advice? the reason i am stopping cisco >exams >for a while is becasue i cannot afford a home lab or taking any hands-on > >training. but mcse's class is cheaper. > > >From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Erik Mintz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Okuwa, Daley'" > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites > >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:53:48 +0800 > > > >A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member > >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. > >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB > >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) > > > >What the hell does that mean? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >DUH? Isn't it obvious ;-) > >While I agree with a lot of what you said, in my opinion it > >is important to know a popular OS like NT. > >A lot of top networking and consulting jobs can require you > >to be proficient in an OS. You won't find a more popular OS at this > >time than a Microsoft one :) > >Not having experience with Windows is a disadvantage! > >That is my opinion... > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Erik Mintz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:22 AM > >To: 'Okuwa, Daley' > >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites > > > > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no > >interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that > >matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products > >is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You > >are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line, > >most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of > >networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use > >you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems, > >build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with > >mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends > >by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know > >it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more > >opportunities. > >I know many top level network engineers who couldn't fin
Re: Cisco Prerequisites
IMHO - An MCSE is not a prerequisite to becoming a CCxx. However, some of the Microsoft Courses and tests from the old NT 4.0 series serve as entry-level primers toward CCxx. Specifically, studying and passing the certification test for "Networking Essentials" gives a good overview of physical connections and limitations. "TCPIP" beats you to death on subnetting, default gateways and if you can ping this machine A and that machine C, why can't you ping machine B. I already had a MCSE when I started studying for the CCNA. Some of the material was real familiar. The IOS commands were new but made sense. "OH, that's how they handle that!" was a common thought. More likely, people with little or no college education but with an interest in joining the high paying world of information systems and Internet stuff are guided into MCSE training. They get jobs at NOS helpdesks or upgrading systems at the local retailer at absurdly low wages. Then their real interests and aptitudes divert them into other areas. If they hated TCPIP, they stick with GUIs and Windows admin stuff, maybe some programming. If they liked TCPIP, subnetting and command lines, they will be seduced by routers and IOS. Me, I always liked the command line OSs. It took me a long time to get used to clicking on icons without thinking "I wonder what the heck are the default switches for the command line this icon launches? How can I change the switches without opening a command prompt?" Vern Stitt AE, ASE, CCA, CCNA, MCSE ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sooo... You want to get your MCSE because it is less expensive? In the way of hands on for Cisco, I will address that last. What is your current job, and where do you want to be in say one year...Do you at work or at home have an NT environment with clients and servers to have hands on with DHCP, WINS et al? Tell us more, (or me) and I will give you a more informed opinion. :-) Do the letters after my name mean I know everything? LOL no, but they will help to validate my opinion. Jim Croyle MCSE, CCNA, CNA, A+, and one test from CCNP. -Original Message- From: kien theng lee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/4/00 4:24 PM Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites i am working on BCRAN exams and thinking about taking a break after that and turn to learning Windows. any advice? the reason i am stopping cisco exams for a while is becasue i cannot afford a home lab or taking any hands-on training. but mcse's class is cheaper. >From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Erik Mintz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Okuwa, Daley'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:53:48 +0800 > >A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) > >What the hell does that mean? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >DUH? Isn't it obvious ;-) >While I agree with a lot of what you said, in my opinion it >is important to know a popular OS like NT. >A lot of top networking and consulting jobs can require you >to be proficient in an OS. You won't find a more popular OS at this >time than a Microsoft one :) >Not having experience with Windows is a disadvantage! >That is my opinion... > > > >-Original Message- >From: Erik Mintz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:22 AM >To: 'Okuwa, Daley' >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no >interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that >matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products >is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You >are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line, >most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of >networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use >you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems, >build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with >mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends >by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know >it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more >opportunities. >I know many top level network engineers who couldn't find the start >menu on a windows box, so the answer is no, you don't need micro$oft >experience to to succeed. There is enough work out there right now so >you can tell a potential employer "no thanks" if they demand you to >have NT experience for whatever reason. Of course, it doesn't hurt to >know your way around an operating system that is found almost >everywhere, just don't cry when you find yourself staring at blue >screens and up all night tracking down bug-fixes to cryptic error >messages that reference code that is locked up tight in the Washington >woods -here's one that was sent to me in an FYI from my NT admin last >week before he had to patch a server; >A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) > >What the hell does that mean? > >Erik Mintz >Director, IT operations >Crosslinks systems >1 Silicon alley plaza >New York, NY 10038 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:-) >"They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass >destruction." >- -Janet Reno, US Attorney General, 2/27/98 > > >#-Original Message- >#From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf >Of >#Okuwa, D
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i am working on BCRAN exams and thinking about taking a break after that and turn to learning Windows. any advice? the reason i am stopping cisco exams for a while is becasue i cannot afford a home lab or taking any hands-on training. but mcse's class is cheaper. >From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Erik Mintz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'Okuwa, Daley'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:53:48 +0800 > >A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) > >What the hell does that mean? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >DUH? Isn't it obvious ;-) >While I agree with a lot of what you said, in my opinion it >is important to know a popular OS like NT. >A lot of top networking and consulting jobs can require you >to be proficient in an OS. You won't find a more popular OS at this >time than a Microsoft one :) >Not having experience with Windows is a disadvantage! >That is my opinion... > > > >-Original Message- >From: Erik Mintz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:22 AM >To: 'Okuwa, Daley' >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no >interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that >matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products >is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You >are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line, >most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of >networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use >you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems, >build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with >mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends >by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know >it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more >opportunities. >I know many top level network engineers who couldn't find the start >menu on a windows box, so the answer is no, you don't need micro$oft >experience to to succeed. There is enough work out there right now so >you can tell a potential employer "no thanks" if they demand you to >have NT experience for whatever reason. Of course, it doesn't hurt to >know your way around an operating system that is found almost >everywhere, just don't cry when you find yourself staring at blue >screens and up all night tracking down bug-fixes to cryptic error >messages that reference code that is locked up tight in the Washington >woods -here's one that was sent to me in an FYI from my NT admin last >week before he had to patch a server; >A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member >length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. >Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB >Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) > >What the hell does that mean? > >Erik Mintz >Director, IT operations >Crosslinks systems >1 Silicon alley plaza >New York, NY 10038 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:-) >"They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass >destruction." >- -Janet Reno, US Attorney General, 2/27/98 > > >#-Original Message- >#From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf >Of >#Okuwa, Daley >#Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:19 AM >#To: 'Adedapo Ola' >#Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >#Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites ># ># >#Not neccesarily but it gives you a better edge if you have been in >LAN >#enviroment and probably MCSE ># ># >#Daley Okuwa >#EDS Network services >#Stockley Park >#Tel no 0208 -5353144 >#fax no 0208-7544057 > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: PGP 6.5 > >iQA/AwUBOYrSrpYKdIYZnR1XEQIVIQCgnJtjpEsL5Q/EvF0DxIdqnVySR6sAoNc6 >hAYnXdmbZAIK5AsCUKciv/Of >=YoYe >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
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A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) What the hell does that mean? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DUH? Isn't it obvious ;-) While I agree with a lot of what you said, in my opinion it is important to know a popular OS like NT. A lot of top networking and consulting jobs can require you to be proficient in an OS. You won't find a more popular OS at this time than a Microsoft one :) Not having experience with Windows is a disadvantage! That is my opinion... -Original Message- From: Erik Mintz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:22 AM To: 'Okuwa, Daley' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line, most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems, build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more opportunities. I know many top level network engineers who couldn't find the start menu on a windows box, so the answer is no, you don't need micro$oft experience to to succeed. There is enough work out there right now so you can tell a potential employer "no thanks" if they demand you to have NT experience for whatever reason. Of course, it doesn't hurt to know your way around an operating system that is found almost everywhere, just don't cry when you find yourself staring at blue screens and up all night tracking down bug-fixes to cryptic error messages that reference code that is locked up tight in the Washington woods -here's one that was sent to me in an FYI from my NT admin last week before he had to patch a server; A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) What the hell does that mean? Erik Mintz Director, IT operations Crosslinks systems 1 Silicon alley plaza New York, NY 10038 [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) "They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass destruction." - -Janet Reno, US Attorney General, 2/27/98 #-Original Message- #From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of #Okuwa, Daley #Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:19 AM #To: 'Adedapo Ola' #Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' #Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites # # #Not neccesarily but it gives you a better edge if you have been in LAN #enviroment and probably MCSE # # #Daley Okuwa #EDS Network services #Stockley Park #Tel no 0208 -5353144 #fax no 0208-7544057 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5 iQA/AwUBOYrSrpYKdIYZnR1XEQIVIQCgnJtjpEsL5Q/EvF0DxIdqnVySR6sAoNc6 hAYnXdmbZAIK5AsCUKciv/Of =YoYe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line, most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems, build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more opportunities. I know many top level network engineers who couldn't find the start menu on a windows box, so the answer is no, you don't need micro$oft experience to to succeed. There is enough work out there right now so you can tell a potential employer "no thanks" if they demand you to have NT experience for whatever reason. Of course, it doesn't hurt to know your way around an operating system that is found almost everywhere, just don't cry when you find yourself staring at blue screens and up all night tracking down bug-fixes to cryptic error messages that reference code that is locked up tight in the Washington woods -here's one that was sent to me in an FYI from my NT admin last week before he had to patch a server; A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) What the hell does that mean? Erik Mintz Director, IT operations Crosslinks systems 1 Silicon alley plaza New York, NY 10038 [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) "They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass destruction." - -Janet Reno, US Attorney General, 2/27/98 #-Original Message- #From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of #Okuwa, Daley #Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:19 AM #To: 'Adedapo Ola' #Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' #Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites # # #Not neccesarily but it gives you a better edge if you have been in LAN #enviroment and probably MCSE # # #Daley Okuwa #EDS Network services #Stockley Park #Tel no 0208 -5353144 #fax no 0208-7544057 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5 iQA/AwUBOYrSrpYKdIYZnR1XEQIVIQCgnJtjpEsL5Q/EvF0DxIdqnVySR6sAoNc6 hAYnXdmbZAIK5AsCUKciv/Of =YoYe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Prerequisites
I would like to express my gratitude for all the responses I recieved during this decision making stage of mine, they were quite helpful indeed. In reference to Mr Mintz's example situation: A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member length is on object 0646. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79. Referenced object (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16) being no such expert, I can only concur with your remarks. But if I were to logically take a guess from the debugger, I would surmise it as a reference to a non-existent object, or basically, " get .. , where is ...? I think.. hmmm Well, at least I have a million menthors at the moment, and who said these were hard to find ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not neccesarily but it gives you a better edge if you have been in LAN enviroment and probably MCSE Daley Okuwa EDS Network services Stockley Park Tel no 0208 -5353144 fax no 0208-7544057 -Original Message- From: Adedapo Ola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 August 2000 09:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Cisco Prerequisites Hello Everyone, I have a couple of naive questions from a c.e. student. I could'nt help noticing that everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco route. Is this highly essential to succeed? I have always been more or less a command line nut, hence Linux has always been a pass time hobby, so I wonder, would this be somewhat similar? Unfortunately, my networking knowledge is basically at the bottom of the scale, since I am just at the ethernet level of networking such as the setting up of multi-homed machines,etc, hence I have been trying to learn all I can about basic networking, i.e. , hubs, bridges , switches, cabling, etc, before actually purchasing a router. Also, I have done a lot of helpdesk type work and some hands on, but it's mostly been desktop related. So, basically,to cut matters short, could someone advise me on this path: 1) Mastery of Basic Networking 2) MCSE or (Routers and CCNA, etc) Thank you Adedapo Ola, MCP On another note, If I am permitted, I noticed some folks were job hunting for cisco entry level. If it's at least experience that's vital, here's a link for five Junior level cisco job openings, I think it's through a recruiter though, but, hey the experience is what matters. http://www.carolina.computerjobs.com/guest/job_display.asp?jobID=842566 <http://www.carolina.computerjobs.com/guest/job_display.asp?jobID=842566&jci d=107&cl=235> &jcid=107&cl=235 ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Everyone, I have a couple of naive questions from a c.e. student. I could'nt help noticing that everyone seemed to at least have an MCSE before attempting the cisco route. Is this highly essential to succeed? I have always been more or less a command line nut, hence Linux has always been a pass time hobby, so I wonder, would this be somewhat similar? Unfortunately, my networking knowledge is basically at the bottom of the scale, since I am just at the ethernet level of networking such as the setting up of multi-homed machines,etc, hence I have been trying to learn all I can about basic networking, i.e. , hubs, bridges , switches, cabling, etc, before actually purchasing a router. Also, I have done a lot of helpdesk type work and some hands on, but it's mostly been desktop related. So, basically,to cut matters short, could someone advise me on this path: 1) Mastery of Basic Networking 2) MCSE or (Routers and CCNA, etc) Thank you Adedapo Ola, MCP On another note, If I am permitted, I noticed some folks were job hunting for cisco entry level. If it's at least experience that's vital, here's a link for five Junior level cisco job openings, I think it's through a recruiter though, but, hey the experience is what matters. http://www.carolina.computerjobs.com/guest/job_display.asp?jobID=842566&jcid=107&cl=235
