Re: Whew... I passed
Man, oh Man. You are a CCNP/ CCDP and your not pulling 60k? My friend, you need to stand the hell up and get paid appropriately for your expertise. Do you realize that in NYC, you could take home 100k just on your certs alone. The thousands of Cisco Partners in this area gobble up anyone with CCNx next to there name (provided your resume isn't empty). Once again, feel free to flame away. Just my humble $.02. -Scott ""ItsMe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 948h65$j28$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:948h65$j28$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm not saying I don't think you owe the company if they pay your way, > by no means. I just saying to be aware of what you are agreeing to. > > Wow 30K to 120K, I could double my pay and not be at 120K, > it may be time to move forward. > > Me > ccnp+security, ccdp, mcse, mcp+i, n+, a+ > > "Dennis Laganiere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the > other > > side of management. > > > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts > (probably > > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to > study, > > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > > least they could expect in return. > > > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or > start > > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > > tea. > > > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > > > > --- Dennis > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ItsMe > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > > the > > VP > > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > > nuts, > > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > > leave... > > Be careful! > > > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > > > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > > just > > > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > > I > > > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > > Thankfully, > > > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > > > document. > > > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > > this > > > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > > about > > > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > > them. > > > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > > boss > > that > > > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > > getting > > > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > > but > > if > > > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > > VP > > > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > > these > > > things? > > > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whew... I passed
What if the company continues to use that equipment that it purchased to train other employees? Just looking at the facts as they're presented here, I would say that the company bought the training and equipment for its own purposes - not strictly for yours. It's unfortunate for companies that when they have someone who both desires and is capable of learning the material, that they also must then compensate that person accordingly once they reach a certain level of competence. But the company that trains you has to also face the fact that your increased knowledge costs more to retain. I have no problem with that, either as an employee or as an employer. - Original Message - From: Jim Healis Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Whew... I passed My thoughts were this: If I pay for everything myself, then the employer should be ready to provide a pay raise immediately, up to $120k. If they pay for everything (lab attempts, classes, lab equipment that I get to keep), then I can see staying on for an additional 6 months at the current pay rate. This would make up for the money laid out for everything, considering the pay raise for me would be about $30k. But, quite frankly, I don't see any company laying out cash like that for equipment that they aren't going to use. And negotiating a raise like that seems very difficult. Jim Dennis Laganiere wrote: > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the other > side of management. > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts (probably > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to study, > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > least they could expect in return. > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or start > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > tea. > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > --- Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: ItsMe > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > the > VP > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > nuts, > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > leave... > Be careful! > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > >> Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > > just > >> a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > > I > >> thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > > Thankfully, > >> I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working >> document. >> I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > > this > >> far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > > about > >> certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > > them. > >> Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > > boss > that > >> the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > > getting > >> there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > > but > if > >> I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > > VP > >> that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > > these > >> things? >> Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! >> >> Jim >> >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___
Re: Whew... I passed
ItsMe, We need to start a whole other thread on your situation. ItsMe wrote: > I'm not saying I don't think you owe the company if they pay your way, > by no means. I just saying to be aware of what you are agreeing to. > > Wow 30K to 120K, I could double my pay and not be at 120K, > it may be time to move forward. > > Me > ccnp+security, ccdp, mcse, mcp+i, n+, a+ > > "Dennis Laganiere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the > other > > side of management. > > > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts > (probably > > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to > study, > > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > > least they could expect in return. > > > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or > start > > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > > tea. > > > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > > > > --- Dennis > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ItsMe > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > > the > > VP > > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > > nuts, > > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > > leave... > > Be careful! > > > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > > > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > > just > > > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > > I > > > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > > Thankfully, > > > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > > > document. > > > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > > this > > > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > > about > > > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > > them. > > > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > > boss > > that > > > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > > getting > > > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > > but > > if > > > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > > VP > > > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > > these > > > things? > > > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whew... I passed
I've always thought that I'd have to arrange for a large signing bonus, or a direct payment from a company hiring me to my current employer to cover training/tests my employer had paid for. Although, my current employer has a fairly reasonable policy: I only owe for the last year of training, and it's prorated each month, so if I left 11 months after a bunch of tests/training, I'd only owe back 1/12th of the cost. Most of our training is free (Cisco partner training), and it's required, so I wouldn't owe for that. The resources I'm allow to buy are all returned to our library, so nothing owed their. The biggest thing so far are the tests. At $100 each, I'm $600 down right now for my CCNP+Security/CCDP tests all passed recently. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""ItsMe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 948h65$j28$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:948h65$j28$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm not saying I don't think you owe the company if they pay your way, > by no means. I just saying to be aware of what you are agreeing to. > > Wow 30K to 120K, I could double my pay and not be at 120K, > it may be time to move forward. > > Me > ccnp+security, ccdp, mcse, mcp+i, n+, a+ > > "Dennis Laganiere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the > other > > side of management. > > > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts > (probably > > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to > study, > > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > > least they could expect in return. > > > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or > start > > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > > tea. > > > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > > > > --- Dennis > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ItsMe > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > > the > > VP > > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > > nuts, > > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > > leave... > > Be careful! > > > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > > > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > > just > > > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > > I > > > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > > Thankfully, > > > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > > > document. > > > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > > this > > > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > > about > > > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > > them. > > > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > > boss > > that > > > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > > getting > > > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > > but > > if > > > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > > VP > > > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > > these > > > things? > > > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://
Re: Whew... I passed
I'm not saying I don't think you owe the company if they pay your way, by no means. I just saying to be aware of what you are agreeing to. Wow 30K to 120K, I could double my pay and not be at 120K, it may be time to move forward. Me ccnp+security, ccdp, mcse, mcp+i, n+, a+ "Dennis Laganiere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the other > side of management. > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts (probably > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to study, > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > least they could expect in return. > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or start > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > tea. > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > --- Dennis > > -----Original Message- > From: ItsMe > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > the > VP > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > nuts, > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > leave... > Be careful! > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > just > > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > I > > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > Thankfully, > > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > > document. > > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > this > > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > about > > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > them. > > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > boss > that > > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > getting > > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > but > if > > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > VP > > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > these > > things? > > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > > > Jim > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whew... I passed
My thoughts were this: If I pay for everything myself, then the employer should be ready to provide a pay raise immediately, up to $120k. If they pay for everything (lab attempts, classes, lab equipment that I get to keep), then I can see staying on for an additional 6 months at the current pay rate. This would make up for the money laid out for everything, considering the pay raise for me would be about $30k. But, quite frankly, I don't see any company laying out cash like that for equipment that they aren't going to use. And negotiating a raise like that seems very difficult. Jim Dennis Laganiere wrote: > I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the other > side of management. > > If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts (probably > multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. > > HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 > worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to study, > + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe > something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the > least they could expect in return. > > If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or start > barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months > behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his > tea. > > Again, these are just my $.02 > > > --- Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: ItsMe > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Whew... I passed > > Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to > the > VP > that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are > nuts, > so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in > fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you > leave... > Be careful! > > "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > >> Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for > > just > >> a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then > > I > >> thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. > > Thankfully, > >> I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working >> document. >> I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get > > this > >> far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions > > about > >> certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer > > them. > >> Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my > > boss > that > >> the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for > > getting > >> there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; > > but > if > >> I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a > > VP > >> that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve > > these > >> things? >> Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! >> >> Jim >> >> >> _ >> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whew... I passed
I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the other side of management. If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts (probably multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise. HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000 worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to study, + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the least they could expect in return. If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or start barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his tea. Again, these are just my $.02 --- Dennis -Original Message- From: ItsMe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Whew... I passed Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to the VP that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are nuts, so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you leave... Be careful! "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for just > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then I > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. Thankfully, > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > document. > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get this > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions about > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer them. > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my boss that > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for getting > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; but if > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a VP > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve these > things? > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > Jim > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whew... I passed
Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to the VP that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are nuts, so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you leave... Be careful! "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2... > Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for just > a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then I > thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. Thankfully, > I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working > document. > I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get this > far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions about > certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer them. > Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my boss that > the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for getting > there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; but if > I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a VP > that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve these > things? > Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! > > Jim > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whew... I passed
Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for just a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then I thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there. Thankfully, I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working document. I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get this far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions about certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer them. Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my boss that the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for getting there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end; but if I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a VP that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve these things? Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips! Jim _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
