Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not specifically
acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel
rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel system
though generally not in contact with fuel.

If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped
at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water sensor
alert wired in.

Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400 
From: "Marek Dziedzic"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
Message-ID:  
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of 
fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small 
quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a 
large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you 
wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box 
(with a float?) would be required. 
 
Marek 
 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Michael Brown  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
 
Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? 
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203
 
 
The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in. 
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. 
 
Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 
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Re: Stus-List plumbing problem

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Hey Terry,

Sounds like you're new to the list.  Welcome.  The plumbing systems on our
boats are varied in nature and not particularly C specific.  Your best
bet is to get the pump specifics (make, model, serial) and look for a
discharge check valve part from the manufacturer.  If you don't have any
luck get back to us with the specs and maybe we will be more lucky.

Warm regards,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 30, 2015 9:05 PM, "Terry Pearson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>
>
> Hello all, first, I own a 1986 C 33 MK2, while winterizing my boat, I
> found a water leak on the discharge side of my potable water pump. The
> fitting between the pump and the elbow was cracked. I tried to unscrew the
> fitting and the theads snapped off in the pump housing. i haven’t tried
> yet, but am pretty certain I can use an ease out to get the remaining
> treads out of the pump. The problem I am having is I can not find the
> replacement part, or even know what it is called. Its a a white plastic
> fitting, male threads on both ends with a ball check valve built into the
> fitting. any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Terry Pearson
>
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yard Service quality

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

agree here


Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here is a good one,
>
> So, the yard where my new to me boat was stored for it's entire life, did
> all, or supervised all the work on this boat.  The PO was actually an owner
> of the yard!  I had to listen to the yard manager/partner talk about how
> great his reputation was and how good his work is and lecture me on my
> electrical tester and even said that my electrical crimper (yes the one
> Wally recommended) was not correct for the task.  Now as get further and
> further into the boat, I'm finding wire connections with nothing but tape,
> some residential barrel connectors with not even tape over them, taped
> joins in the bilge, hoses disconnected and left plugged off laying in the
> bilge, wires disconnected with just tape on the end...  and this is just
> the superficial investigation...
>
> All the talk in the world won't make shoddy work better...  I really have
> a hard time trusting anyone to work on my stuff either.
>
> On the other hand, when I was still out in the field doing plumbing, I
> always found I'd rather pull things back just a bit further and do a better
> job than to try and patch things up and get out of there.  I really haven't
> met too many people with that attitude.  Of course I never owned the
> company, I was always on the payroll and I just did my best to avoid a call
> back.  So, I guess it really as much self preservation as doing right by a
> customer.  That and knowing that doing it right is always less of an ass
> ache than trying to hack it...  IMHO  ...I'd let me work on my house!!  LOL
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: mike amirault via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: mike amirault 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yards
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:51:23 -0300
>
> I agree with you Mike. The previous owner of my C 33II (boat was named
> Pelagic) had most of the work done by "professionals" at one of the large
> marinas in Halifax. Some of the repairs I have uncovered make me shake my
> head, shoddy to say the least. I do all my own work on the boat now and
> it's done right.
>
> Mike Amirault
> C MKii Lovely Cruise
> St Margarets Bay
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Re: Stus-List DIY Yards

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I agree wit Mike

Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
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> I'll $econd that:)
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 09:22 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Harry
>
>
>
> If I was not allowed to do the work on my own boat I would not have a
> boat.
>
>
>
> For two reasons.  The first is obvious.  Cost
>
>
>
> Second.  Trust.  There are few people I trust to work on my boats or my
> vehicles.  I usually trust my own shoddy workmanship over that done by an
> unknown quantity that could be shoddy or could be good….
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Untrusting in Halifax
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

who are the big guys...if it were me i would stay away from that so called
fun if I had a choice

Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Harry Hallgring via CnC-List <
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> Jonathan,
> Yes, NEB is fortunate to build and service vessels for the "major money
> clients", but I can assure you for every Rambler there are a thousand
> smaller boats just like ours that come through here for service or
> storage.  One of the upsides to the yard is that we allow
> customers/owners/captains/crew/sub-contractors to work on their boats.  And
> as Andy said, it is fun to rub elbows with the big guys:)
>
> Harry Hallgring
> hhallgr...@icloud.com
>
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 04:59 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many
> "major money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that
> league, you get short changed.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Starting a new thread

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

most of these guys apparently don't care about the subject line...so
sending these instructions won't change things, just let them contribute to
whatever about their boats and experiences and forget the subject line
crap...just say all subjects C sailboat related stuff, we're all
interested in everything sailboat related...that's the way I regard these
emails, all related to sailing somehow, read them or not ...ok You can ban
me from further communication the topics are getting pretty old
anyway


Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Terry et al
>
> When replying to a message from your email program – leave the subject
> intact as it should refer to the topic being discussed.
>
> If you are starting a new thread, send an email to the list with an
> appropriate subject line.
>
> Yes, it will make searching the archives a lot simpler.
>
> Remember too, when replying to a message, to trim off the previous
> messages.  There is no reason to send a 60k message when 10 would have done
> it.
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Stus-List smart phones

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Umm. Okay Dwight. Thanks for sharing.

Your time stamp looks like it's getting late on 
the eastern seaboard. Maybe back off on the whine 
a bit. And those funny field codes looks like you sent from a smart phone.


So I guess my question is, if it's a smart phone 
then how did your message get through?  :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 08:39 PM 30/10/2015, you wrote:
most of these guys apparently don't care about 
the subject line...so sending these instructions 
won't change things, just let them contribute to 
whatever about their boats and experiences and 
forget the subject line crap...just say all 
subjects C sailboat related stuff, we're all 
interested in everything sailboat 
related...that's the way I regard these emails, 
all related to sailing somehow, read them or not 
...ok You can ban me from further communication 
the topics are getting pretty old anyway    
                        
                        
                        
                        
                         Â


Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Stu via 
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Terry et al
Â
When replying to a message from your email 
program – leave thee subject intact as it should 
refer to the topic being discussed.

Â
If you are starting a new thread, send an email 
to the list with an appropriate subject line.

Â
Yes, it will make searching the archives a lot simpler.
Â
Remember too, when replying to a message, to 
trim off the previous messages.  There is no 
reason to send a 60k message when 10 would have done it.

Â
Stu
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Stus-List plumbing problem

[Terry Pearson via CnC-List]

>> 
>> Hello all, first, I own a 1986 C 33 MK2, while winterizing my boat, I 
>> found a water leak on the discharge side of my potable water pump. The 
>> fitting between the pump and the elbow was cracked. I tried to unscrew the 
>> fitting and the theads snapped off in the pump housing. i haven’t tried yet, 
>> but am pretty certain I can use an ease out to get the remaining treads out 
>> of the pump. The problem I am having is I can not find the replacement part, 
>> or even know what it is called. Its a a white plastic fitting, male threads 
>> on both ends with a ball check valve built into the fitting. any help would 
>> be greatly appreciated.

>> Terry Pearson

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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Michael,

I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a
fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent
inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 30, 2015 5:31 PM, "Michael Brown via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not
> specifically
> acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel
> rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel
> system
> though generally not in contact with fuel.
>
> If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped
> at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water
> sensor
> alert wired in.
>
> Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400
> From: "Marek Dziedzic" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle
> of fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate
> small quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on
> hand is a large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think
> that if you wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of
> Dorade box (with a float?) would be required.
>
> Marek
>
> From: Michael Brown via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Michael Brown
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>
> Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203
>
> The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They
> would capture water coming in.
> The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
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Re: Stus-List plumbing problem

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If I may add, take pictures and make them available (DropBox, Google+, 
OneDrive, whatever is your favourite place to share pictures). It would be 
substantially easier to figure out what you need if others could see what is 
broken.

 

Be aware that a lot of marine plumbing is common with the RVs; so you may have 
luck visiting a local RV place (with the broken part in hand). Don’t count that 
any fittings from a hardware store would work (different threads, different 
diameters).

 

Good luck

 

Marek Dziedzic

1994 C270 “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: October-30-15 21:28
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List plumbing problem

 

Hey Terry, 

Sounds like you're new to the list.  Welcome.  The plumbing systems on our 
boats are varied in nature and not particularly C specific.  Your best bet is 
to get the pump specifics (make, model, serial) and look for a discharge check 
valve part from the manufacturer.  If you don't have any luck get back to us 
with the specs and maybe we will be more lucky.

Warm regards,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Oct 30, 2015 9:05 PM, "Terry Pearson via CnC-List"  
wrote:

 


Hello all, first, I own a 1986 C 33 MK2, while winterizing my boat, I found a 
water leak on the discharge side of my potable water pump. The fitting between 
the pump and the elbow was cracked. I tried to unscrew the fitting and the 
theads snapped off in the pump housing. i haven’t tried yet, but am pretty 
certain I can use an ease out to get the remaining treads out of the pump. The 
problem I am having is I can not find the replacement part, or even know what 
it is called. Its a a white plastic fitting, male threads on both ends with a 
ball check valve built into the fitting. any help would be greatly appreciated.





Terry Pearson







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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

Jonathan,


Yes, NEB is fortunate to build and service vessels for the "major money clients", but I can assure you for every Rambler there are a thousand smaller boats just like ours that come through here for service or storage.  One of the upsides to the yard is that we allow customers/owners/captains/crew/sub-contractors to work on their boats.  And as Andy said, it is fun to rub elbows with the big guys:)   








Harry Hallgring
hhallgr...@icloud.com


On Oct 29, 2015, at 04:59 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:






I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many "major money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that league, you get short changed. 



--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III

SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yards

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Harry

If I was not allowed to do the work on my own boat I would not have a boat.

For two reasons.  The first is obvious.  Cost

Second.  Trust.  There are few people I trust to work on my boats or my 
vehicles.  I usually trust my own shoddy workmanship over that done by an 
unknown quantity that could be shoddy or could be good

Mike
Untrusting in Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Harry Hallgring
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications

Jonathan,
Yes, NEB is fortunate to build and service vessels for the "major money 
clients", but I can assure you for every Rambler there are a thousand smaller 
boats just like ours that come through here for service or storage.  One of the 
upsides to the yard is that we allow 
customers/owners/captains/crew/sub-contractors to work on their boats.  And as 
Andy said, it is fun to rub elbows with the big guys:)

Harry Hallgring
hhallgr...@icloud.com

On Oct 29, 2015, at 04:59 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many "major 
money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that league, you 
get short changed.
--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for
5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position.
So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards
most likely some would spill into to cockpit.

There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.

Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>
> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>
> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel
> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of
> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the
coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get
to the top of the loop before entering the tank?

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm
> for 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating
> position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope
> outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>
> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>
> Ed
> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
>> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
>> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>>
>> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
>> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
>> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
>> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
>> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
>> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
>> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
>> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>>
>> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted
>> fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the
>> side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

This is exactly the way my fuel vent hose is arranged.  

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming 
> if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top 
> of the loop before entering the tank?
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 
>> 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. 
>> So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most 
>> likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>> 
>> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings 
>> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
>>> wrote:
>>> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent 
>>> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and 
>>> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>>> 
>>> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill 
>>> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel 
>>> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches 
>>> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat 
>>> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever 
>>> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  
>>> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be 
>>> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>>> 
>>> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel 
>>> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of 
>>> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of the coaming. If you 
are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does 
not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my 
boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end 
up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be 
on the side of the hull.
Agree about a loop – no reason I can see not to do that.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if 
you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of 
the loop before entering the tank?

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
> wrote:

ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5  
seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it 
depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely 
some would spill into to cockpit.

There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 
15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.

Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a 
similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent 
in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill fitting 
is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel vent is also 
well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck.  
For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would 
have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen water higher than a 
couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If water was anywhere close 
to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than 
water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill 
up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the 
coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List DIY Yards

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

I'll $econd that:)




Harry


On Oct 30, 2015, at 09:22 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List"  
wrote:







Harry



If I was not allowed to do the work on my own boat I would not have a boat.  




For two reasons.  The first is obvious.  Cost



Second.  Trust.  There are few people I trust to work on my boats or my 
vehicles.  I usually trust my own shoddy workmanship over that done by an 
unknown quantity that could be shoddy or could be good….



Mike

Untrusting in Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yards

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

I agree with you Mike. The previous owner of my C 33II (boat was named 
Pelagic) had most of the work done by "professionals" at one of the large 
marinas in Halifax. Some of the repairs I have uncovered make me shake my head, 
shoddy to say the least. I do all my own work on the boat now and it's done 
right.

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Stus-List Yard Recommendations

[David via CnC-List]

Danny,

I have been with Triad in Mattapoisett for 15 years.   Great yard.  Great 
people.  DIY and reasonable rates.   Speak with Carol

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:57:08 +
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: djhaug...@juno.com

Hi Chuck,
 
I was at Swansea Marina for about 3 years when I had a 22' boat.  I go back 
there in heart beat if he'd store it but the biggest boat he'll take is 34'
 
How is Harry?
 
saturday would be good day to move the boat, I already removed the sails so, 
its motoring the whole way.
 
I'd take you up on the offer for company on the delivery.  NEB would be about 
3-4 hours.  Borden light is really inexpensive but, they really do pack in the 
boats and access can be really difficult over the winter.
 
I'm going to make some calls tomorrow.
 
I'm also considering Mattapoisett.  we really love buzzards Bay and want to 
stay close for the summer.
 
I can do a nice sail to cutty hunk in a 2-3 hours...  We LOVE cuttyhnk!!
 
Danny

-- Original Message --
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To: CnClist 
Cc: Chuck Borge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:21:19 -0400



Danny,
 
Borden light treats some friends of mine pretty fairly.  Further up the River 
is Bristol Marine's Somerset yard and even further up is Shaw's.  I've heard 
good things about both with Shaw's the less expensive option.
Swansea, where I am, would not be able to handle your boat for the size, I 
think.  I draw 6' and am about the biggest sailboat there at 34'.
Good luck, if you bring it around to Mt. Hope Bay, let us know.  I might be up 
for a ride and am not far away.
 
Chuck B
C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:





I dunno, Jonathan, When ever I'm up there drooling over the big boats, I notice 
a ton of much smaller boats around. 


Andy
C 40
Peregrine




On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  
wrote:



I have heard some not so positive things about NEB. They look after many "major 
money" clients - and the feeling was that unless you are in that league, you 
get short changed. 


--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III

SOUTHPORT CT





On Oct 29, 2015, at 16:03, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:









Hinckley is 433/ft for dry storage plus 11/ft for haul and wash. NEB is about 
the same.
I'm going to NEB rather than some of the other options around the bay because 
they don't do anything in a slipshod manner. I know there are some places that 
do.
Caveat emptor! 


Andy
C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


So, I'm looking around, does anyone know anything about the Borden Light 
Marina.  They have some good reviews on Active captain an another couple of 
sites but, anyone could write those.
 
Their rates are really cheap at $18/ft for wet storage and $33/ft for on land 
storage.  Thats a 3-4 hour trip for me by boat but, closer to drive from the 
house.
 
Danny
Westport Point, MA



-- Original Message --
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:59 -0400


Danny,
 
I assume you have projects to do over the winter.  Close to home helps get 
things done.
Wet store where you are and arrange for a haul-out and to have the bottom work 
to be done in the early spring.  You'll be blocking the lift, so they will have 
to turn it around quickly.
 
Joel



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Danny,
 
New England Boatworks in Portsmouth, RI allows storage with the mast up (and 
there's someone on the list that knows a lot about that location).  That's 
pretty close to Westport Point.
 
Tim





On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:




Hi All,
 
So, it seems the yard said they cannot remove the mast because of the sail 
track that rides up the mast track for the furling system.
 
I basically have two options where they are concerned.  Find another yard for 
storage or, wet store the boat in a slip.
 
I don't think I would mind the wet storage option if she wasn't in such a need 
for a bottom job.
 
What do you guys think?
 
The reason they cannot remove the mast is because they use a sling and the 
sling would damage the track...
 
Maybe someone can recommend a place nearby where I can store her on the hard.  
i know not every yard requires the removal of the mast.
 
Danny
Westport Point, MA


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Stus-List The subject line police are on the job!

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

You tell em!

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


> On Oct 30, 2015, at 6:33 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 01:04:22 + (UTC)
> From: Chuck S 
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> Cc: Danny Haughey , Ron Ricci 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> Message-ID:
><796088000.5658329.1446167062569.javamail.zim...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Danny, 
> 
> It's nice that so many C listers responded to your request to find a winter 
> haulout marina for your Tartan. 
> Can you please change the subject line to something other than "boom furling 
> complications" ? That's misleading. 
> 
> May I suggest: "Reconmmended marinas for haulout and winter storage in Mass 
> and RI area" ? 
> 
> 
> Chuck 
> Resolute 
> 1990 C 34R 
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203

The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in.
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I don’t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of 
fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small 
quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a 
large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you 
wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box 
(with a float?) would be required.

Marek

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203

The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in.
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




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Stus-List Starting a new thread

[Stu via CnC-List]

Terry et al

When replying to a message from your email program – leave the subject intact 
as it should refer to the topic being discussed.

If you are starting a new thread, send an email to the list with an appropriate 
subject line.

Yes, it will make searching the archives a lot simpler.

Remember too, when replying to a message, to trim off the previous messages.  
There is no reason to send a 60k message when 10 would have done it.

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Stus-List The subject line police are on the job!

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

True.  But once you change the subject line it starts a new topic string.  All 
of the prior discussion is gone from the string.  

Typoed from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:25:38 -0400
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List The subject line police are on the job!
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I'm with Chuck. Information is only useful if people can find it. Good luck
> searching the archives for that discussion. Subject lines *are* important.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto

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Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

While we're on the subject, two other things to check:

1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Joel, all vents should be looped as high as 
practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.


Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped 
portion of the combing so spillage ends up in the 
same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with 
paper towel in place before filling. The vent 
loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same.


Since these are original installation locations, 
if I was offered compliance grief from any 
surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send 
them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.

If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"

Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I 
is on top of of the coaming. If you are a sloppy 
refueler some ends up on deck and some in the 
cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, 
although in all the decades I have been fueling 
my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the 
coaming, so overflow does not end up in the 
cockpit. It also is significantly harder to 
submerge than it would be on the side of the hull.

Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose 
that runs up under the coaming if you are using 
the original vent so that water would have to 
get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting 
the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5  seconds cannot 
enter the cockpit while in its static floating 
position. So it depends on the slope of the 
coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most 
likely some would spill into to cockpit.


There are requirements for separation of fuel 
vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but 
that it likely not difficult to comply with.


Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via 
CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water 
ingress through the fuel vent have a similar 
configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the 
deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in 
the deck.  The fuel fill fitting is well aft in 
the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The 
fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of 
the cockpit coaming a few inches above the 
deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the 
deck of the boat at the stern would have to be 
awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen 
water higher than a couple feet below the 
taffrail atop the transom.  If water was 
anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think 
I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? 
to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top 
of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the 
side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

The best of vents will have the high point of the 
loop on centreline.  Not practically achievable 
on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps 
tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac".

You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second 
thought.  I don't know if there is a loop in 
mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill 
hose and vent hose are still original as far as 
I can tell.  I hope the guys up north were 
generous with the use of vent hose in 
1983.  Probably time to change both hoses 
anyhow- they are the last of the original.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Joel, all vents should be looped as high as 
practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.


Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped 
portion of the combing so spillage ends up in 
the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch 
with paper towel in place before filling. The 
vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same.


Since these are original installation locations, 
if I was offered compliance grief from any 
surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would 
send them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.

If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.

        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
       
  boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"


Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I 
is on top of of of the coaming. If you are a 
sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some 
in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC 
specs, although in all the decades I have been 
fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the 
coaming, so overflow does not end up in the 
cockpit. It also is significantly harder to 
submerge than it would be on the side of the hull.

Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.

Â
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Â
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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Â
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose 
that runs up under the coaming if you are using 
the original vent so that water would have to 
get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?

Â
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel 
exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5Â  seconds 
cannot enter the cockpit while in its static 
floating position. So it depends on the slope 
of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards 
most likely some would spill into to cockpit.


There are requirements for separation of fuel 
vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but 
that it likely not difficult to comply with.


Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via 
CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water 
ingress through the fuel vent have a similar 
configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in 
the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in 
the deck.  The fuel fill fitting is well aft 
in the top of the port side cockpit 
coaming.  The fuel vent is also well aft 
exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few 
inches above the deck.  For water to get into 
the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern 
would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I 
have never ever seen water higher than a couple 
feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If 
water was anywhere close to entering the fuel 
vent I think I would be concerned about a lot 
more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC 
compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up 
to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the 
vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 
and reduce the potential for water ingress?

Â
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Â
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Don Street of Iolare fame had a story about someone who got tired of water in 
the fuel and ran the vent hose 8 feet up the mizzen mast LOL.
Joe

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Melody via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Russ & Melody
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents


The best of vents will have the high point of the loop on centreline.  Not 
practically achievable on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps 
tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac".
You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought.  I don't know if there is 
a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill hose and vent hose 
are still original as far as I can tell.  I hope the guys up north were 
generous with the use of vent hose in 1983.  Probably time to change both 
hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common 
sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.
Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so spillage 
ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with paper towel in 
place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically 
the same.
Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered compliance 
grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send them back to 
review the "code of construction" for 1972.
If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.
        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         
boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"
Apples and oranges.
The fill - where you add fuel - on the 35 MK I is on top of of of the coaming. 
If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This 
does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling 
my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end 
up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be 
on the side of the hull.
Agree about a loop - no reason I can seee not to do that.
Â
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Â
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mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Â
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if 
you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of 
the loop before entering the tank?
Â
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
> wrote:
ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5Â  
seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it 
depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely 
some would spill into to cockpit.
There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 
15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a 
similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel 
vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill 
fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel 
vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches 
above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at 
the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen 
water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If water 
was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about 
a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel 
fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the 
coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
Â
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Â
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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yard Service quality

[Terry via CnC-List]

I am new to this email forum thing and don't want to hijack the discussion, but 
could someone tell me how to start a new topic? 
Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is a good one,
>  
> So, the yard where my new to me boat was stored for it's entire life, did 
> all, or supervised all the work on this boat.  The PO was actually an owner 
> of the yard!  I had to listen to the yard manager/partner talk about how 
> great his reputation was and how good his work is and lecture me on my 
> electrical tester and even said that my electrical crimper (yes the one Wally 
> recommended) was not correct for the task.  Now as get further and further 
> into the boat, I'm finding wire connections with nothing but tape, some 
> residential barrel connectors with not even tape over them, taped joins in 
> the bilge, hoses disconnected and left plugged off laying in the bilge, wires 
> disconnected with just tape on the end...  and this is just the superficial 
> investigation...
>  
> All the talk in the world won't make shoddy work better...  I really have a 
> hard time trusting anyone to work on my stuff either.
>  
> On the other hand, when I was still out in the field doing plumbing, I always 
> found I'd rather pull things back just a bit further and do a better job than 
> to try and patch things up and get out of there.  I really haven't met too 
> many people with that attitude.  Of course I never owned the company, I was 
> always on the payroll and I just did my best to avoid a call back.  So, I 
> guess it really as much self preservation as doing right by a customer.  That 
> and knowing that doing it right is always less of an ass ache than trying to 
> hack it...  IMHO  ...I'd let me work on my house!!  LOL
>  
> Danny
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: mike amirault via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: mike amirault 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yards
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:51:23 -0300
> 
> I agree with you Mike. The previous owner of my C 33II (boat was named 
> Pelagic) had most of the work done by "professionals" at one of the large 
> marinas in Halifax. Some of the repairs I have uncovered make me shake my 
> head, shoddy to say the least. I do all my own work on the boat now and it's 
> done right.
>  
> Mike Amirault
> C MKii Lovely Cruise
> St Margarets Bay
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Stus-List WAS RE: Boom Furling complications - Yard Service quality NOW how to start a new topic

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Send an email to cnc-list@cnc-list.com with a new 
topic in the subject line or reply to an existing email and replace or edit the 
subject line.
☺

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Terry via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:56 PM
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I am new to this email forum thing and don't want to hijack the discussion, but 
could someone tell me how to start a new topic?
Thank you

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Stus-List new thread or topic

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Terry,

I'm lazy, so just hit "reply", delete unnecessary junk from the 
message body and change/edit the subject line.

Hit "send"

I did just that. :)

Cheers, Russ


At 11:55 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:
I am new to this email forum thing and don't want to hijack the 
discussion, but could someone tell me how to start a new topic?

Thank you

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Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yard Service quality

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Here is a good one, So, the yard where my new to me boat was stored for it's 
entire life, did all, or supervised all the work on this boat.  The PO was 
actually an owner of the yard!  I had to listen to the yard manager/partner 
talk about how great his reputation was and how good his work is and lecture me 
on my electrical tester and even said that my electrical crimper (yes the one 
Wally recommended) was not correct for the task.  Now as get further and 
further into the boat, I'm finding wire connections with nothing but tape, some 
residential barrel connectors with not even tape over them, taped joins in the 
bilge, hoses disconnected and left plugged off laying in the bilge, wires 
disconnected with just tape on the end...  and this is just the superficial 
investigation... All the talk in the world won't make shoddy work better...  I 
really have a hard time trusting anyone to work on my stuff either. On the 
other hand, when I was still out in the field doing plumbing, I always found 
I'd rather pull things back just a bit further and do a better job than to try 
and patch things up and get out of there.  I really haven't met too many people 
with that attitude.  Of course I never owned the company, I was always on the 
payroll and I just did my best to avoid a call back.  So, I guess it really as 
much self preservation as doing right by a customer.  That and knowing that 
doing it right is always less of an ass ache than trying to hack it...  IMHO  
...I'd let me work on my house!!  LOL Danny

-- Original Message --
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: mike amirault 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications - Yards
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:51:23 -0300


I agree with you Mike. The previous owner of my C 33II (boat was named 
Pelagic) had most of the work done by "professionals" at one of the large 
marinas in Halifax. Some of the repairs I have uncovered make me shake my head, 
shoddy to say the least. I do all my own work on the boat now and it's done 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought.  I don't know if there
is a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill hose and vent
hose are still original as far as I can tell.  I hope the guys up north
were generous with the use of vent hose in 1983.  Probably time to change
both hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common
> sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.
>
> Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so
> spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with
> paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent
> heights practically the same.
>
> Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered
> compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send
> them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.
> If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
>
> At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:
>
> Content-Language: en-US
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
> boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"
>
> Apples and oranges.
> The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of of the
> coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the
> cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I
> have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
> The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does
> not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than
> it would be on the side of the hull.
> Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.
>
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
> *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>
> Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the
> coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get
> to the top of the loop before entering the tank?
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm
> for 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating
> position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope
> outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>
> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>
> Ed
> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel
> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of
> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List The subject line police are on the job!

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I'm with Chuck. Information is only useful if people can find it. Good luck
searching the archives for that discussion. Subject lines *are* important.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You tell em!
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 6:33 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 01:04:22 + (UTC)
> > From: Chuck S 
> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> > Cc: Danny Haughey , Ron Ricci 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Furling complications
> > Message-ID:
> ><796088000.5658329.1446167062569.javamail.zim...@comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Danny,
> >
> > It's nice that so many C listers responded to your request to find a
> winter haulout marina for your Tartan.
> > Can you please change the subject line to something other than "boom
> furling complications" ? That's misleading.
> >
> > May I suggest: "Reconmmended marinas for haulout and winter storage in
> Mass and RI area" ?
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> > Resolute
> > 1990 C 34R
> > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
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