Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I think our boat could easily sail to Hawaii and back in reasonable
conditions, not that anyone can ever count on that. I'm sure we would
survive, although it might be very uncomfortable, in bad weather. I sailed
down the west coast from Friday Harbor to San Francisco on a Pacific
Seacraft 44, and I was happy to be in that boat. Pretty breezy, steady 58
knots gusting to 63 for a bit,  5 1/2 days overall, and when it eased off
to 25 it was nice and calm. Lee Youngblood was there, it was good times.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 10:08, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The 25 has a deck stepped mast, so the only water entry is around deck
> mounted hardware, port seals, or if the cockpit scuppers get clogged with
> pine straw (don’t ask) and water floods over the lip of the companionway.
>
>
>
> Water seems to come down the mast in my 38 internally, as with yours. I
> always presumed it gets in through the sheaves at the masthead and the
> carious apertures where lines go through the sides of the mast. On my  38
> the mast sits in an aluminum shoe at the level of the cabin sole, so I can
> watch the water come out the bottom of the mast and drip through a hole in
> the step into the bilge.
>
>
>
> And yes it does rain in North Carolina… a lot at times!
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Knecht via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount
> of water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.
> During dry spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly
> after a rain.  We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments,
> there must be some difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or
> else it never rains in North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry
> point of water into the mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I
> know on my boat it must be internal because the mast below is not wet.
> However, I cannot see the mast bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up
> the cabin sole so have not done that to confirm.  Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Beta Marine 20hp

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  


I doubt there is much likelihood in getting the engine shipped
  all the way to Halifax or that the transmission will be the right
  "down angle transmission" - but I'd be interested in more
  details.  

I expect that I'll be re-powering my CS30 in the next few years
  (plan was for a Beta 16) when my Volvo 2002 give up.
Mark





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  - George Santayana
On 2019-04-25 2:16 p.m., Dave Godwin
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  Listers,
  
  
  I was talking to a friend this morning. He’s out of
the marina business and is getting rid of a bunch of marine
items that he has lying around. I’m interested in some teak but
he mentioned that he had a virtually new Beta Marine 20hp diesel
for sale. I don’t have any clear details but I believe I heard
“around 5 hours on the motor” and “maybe $2,000.00”.
  
  
  I’m going to go look at his stuff tomorrow morning.
  
  
  If someone was interested, I’ll explore that motor
in more detail.
  
  
  Regards,
  

  

  

  Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
  Ronin’s Overdue
  Refit

  

  

  
  
  
  
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Stus-List Beta Marine 20hp

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Listers,

I was talking to a friend this morning. He’s out of the marina business and is 
getting rid of a bunch of marine items that he has lying around. I’m interested 
in some teak but he mentioned that he had a virtually new Beta Marine 20hp 
diesel for sale. I don’t have any clear details but I believe I heard “around 5 
hours on the motor” and “maybe $2,000.00”.

I’m going to go look at his stuff tomorrow morning.

If someone was interested, I’ll explore that motor in more detail.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The 25 has a deck stepped mast, so the only water entry is around deck mounted 
hardware, port seals, or if the cockpit scuppers get clogged with pine straw 
(don’t ask) and water floods over the lip of the companionway.

 

Water seems to come down the mast in my 38 internally, as with yours. I always 
presumed it gets in through the sheaves at the masthead and the carious 
apertures where lines go through the sides of the mast. On my  38 the mast sits 
in an aluminum shoe at the level of the cabin sole, so I can watch the water 
come out the bottom of the mast and drip through a hole in the step into the 
bilge.

 

And yes it does rain in North Carolina… a lot at times!

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:50 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

 

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Build date

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

In addition, the "model year" starts with boats intended for sale after
August or September - like a car. So the boat was "laid down" in October of
1987 (whatever that really means - what constitutes start of production can
vary by manufacturer, I understand) and intended for sale after August of
1988 (making it a 1989 "model"). 

Al, do you have any paperwork to show when the boat was delivered to the
first owner?

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
L. Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Build date

Al:

If I understand Rick's code correctly, you have a C 35, hull number 264,
production commenced in October 1987, and it is a 1989 "model year" boat. 
Could it be that production starts ended in 1987, even though boats were
completed later and therefore had later "model years"?

-Original Message-
From: Allan Hester via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Allan Hester
Subject: Stus-List Build date



Listers,

I own a 1989 C 35 Mk3, hull number 264. The registration says 1989 and the

HIN on the stern reads  Z C C 3 5 2 6 4 J 7 8 9.

However, online reviews and sailboatdata all indicate the 35 was only built 
until 1987.

Is anyone able to clear up this discrepancy?

Is anyone able to interpret the meaning of the entire HIN?  I think 3 5 2 6 
4 are pretty clear. These numbers indicate 35 feet in  length and hull 
number, 264.

Thank you.

AL H.

C 35 Mk3
Hull 264
Pacific Ranger
Vancouver, BC.
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Same here ! Bolder is Dry as a bone until it rains
Water must be coming down my mast  somewhere somehow. Also leak somewhere from 
force 10 heater  I have small pot there which collects the drips  nicely but 
it’s annoying !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Apr 25, 2019, at 11:49 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dan via CnC-List]

My Girlfriend and I will be crossing to the Exumas via Bermuda this fall on
our C weather "window" permitting. We haven't yet decided if our gulf
stream jump off point will be Halifax direct, or somewhere down the US
coast north or the ICW. We're too deep and too tall for the ICW.
Breakaweigh has been Across the Atlantic and has been sailed to the
Caribbean before with previous owners so we know she's up to it.  We have
slightly more displacement and LWL than most other C, which offers some
security, but preparation, good timing, good decision making and seamanship
is everything. We're not interested in fighting the elements, however we
will be carrying a storm jib and a series drogue on top of our SSB, AIS,
EPIRB, liferaft Eridium, spare parts and pure dumb luck.

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:29 PM robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> John,
>
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do
> just leaving from here?
>
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
>
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for
> his trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he
> spent more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on
> purchasing a 35-II.
>
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully
> enclosed heated cockpit).
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985
> C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for
> Caribbean.
>
> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia,
> Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc)
>
> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared
> the boat over the last few seasons.
>
> /John
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Agree. I've gone aground in panic situations and found that strong short 
thrusts with the engine got us off. I always try to back out straight but if 
she won't budge, I apply some rudder and try and spin her free, first in 
reverse, then forward. A burst of throttle in forward will hit the rudder and 
turn the boat. A burst of reverse helps push mud off the keel. It also helps to 
put crew on the bow to rock the keel free. I once got off by idling in reverse, 
setting the autohelm and joining the crew on the bow. She came free and backed 
off.

I remember one event where we entered a small creek off of the main inlet. The 
entrance to this creek changes slightly with each tide and current was running 
about four knots and the tide falling. The range here is 4.5 feet. I know boats 
who stranded at this spot and had to wait for a high tide to get off. This gave 
me great encouragement to try anything and everything before we too were 
stranded for six hours. Luckily we tried every trick including timing throttle 
up when a boat wake came along and were able to spin and power into deeper 
water.

It's great having tide charts that provide the estimated tide heights for any 
given day and I've used those to time my trips across shallow water and GPS to 
keep me in the channel. Tide charts showed me there are a few days each month 
when there is enough water in the back bay to get my boat to a marina fifteen 
miles inland. I ran that course ten times using the tables and only touched 
bottom once when I got a little off the magenta line. Just good planning. I 
know skippers of shoal draft boats who have suffered because they didn't 
consult the tables and wound up aboard a boat leaning forty five degrees for 
many hours waiting for the next tide.


> On April 25, 2019 at 10:09 AM "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buddy of mine is a salvor.  He got called to free a 48 footer stuck on a 
> shoal a few years ago.  He showed up at high tide with all his air lift bags 
> and gear.  He got on the boat, put the boat in full reverse, hit the bow 
> thruster alternating port and starboard.  After a couple minutes of wiggling 
> the bow back and forth, the boat backed off the shoal.  Never used the 
> salvage equipment.
> 
> Similar to the trick with a dinghy pushing on the bow.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
> Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
> Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
> boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to 
> deck joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the 
> photo album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the 
> Ericksons I looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to 
> completely replace the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on 
> the top from water coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from 
> water collecting in the bilge.
>  
> The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
> bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
> on the manual pump and a sponge.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Shawn Wright mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>  
> Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
> offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
> that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. 
> re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
> months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
> (outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 
> 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't 
> game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get 
> a chance.
>  
> Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Build date

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Al:

If I understand Rick's code correctly, you have a C 35, hull number 264, 
production commenced in October 1987, and it is a 1989 "model year" boat. 
Could it be that production starts ended in 1987, even though boats were 
completed later and therefore had later "model years"?


-Original Message- 
From: Allan Hester via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Allan Hester
Subject: Stus-List Build date



Listers,

I own a 1989 C 35 Mk3, hull number 264. The registration says 1989 and the 
HIN on the stern reads  Z C C 3 5 2 6 4 J 7 8 9.


However, online reviews and sailboatdata all indicate the 35 was only built 
until 1987.


Is anyone able to clear up this discrepancy?

Is anyone able to interpret the meaning of the entire HIN?  I think 3 5 2 6 
4 are pretty clear. These numbers indicate 35 feet in  length and hull 
number, 264.


Thank you.

AL H.

C 35 Mk3
Hull 264
Pacific Ranger
Vancouver, BC.
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the replies--and I agree that throwing a kedge anchor is not 
very practical. 
OTOH, without a dinghy or other anchor 'float', getting any anchor out with any 
scope for it to set is problematic. With a delivery crew of 2, hanging on the 
boom is the same--little effect. 
Ideal is to avoid shoals and other confusion on the water--such as mistaking a 
private channel entrance for government floating marks in the glaring low angle 
bright sun! However, near the New River inlet, even the government marks can't 
keep up with the shoaling changes.
As others have mentioned, just getting the bow turned slightly via some 
horizontal pull, can often get the boat going toward deeper water. 
With my centerboard, I leave it down about 6 inches which helps sometimes. 
However, once the centerboard trunk is solidly on the bottom, its width and 
length provides a solid resting place especially if the shoal is hit at speed. 
My Beta 28 combined with a Gori 2-blade folding prop doesn't provide a lot of 
punch in these situations.
Oh well, there is always TowBoatUS!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom36XL/kcb #77



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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2019 10:10 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

Buddy of mine is a salvor.  He got called to free a 48 footer stuck on a shoal 
a few years ago.  He showed up at high tide with all his air lift bags and 
gear.  He got on the boat, put the boat in full reverse, hit the bow thruster 
alternating port and starboard.  After a couple minutes of wiggling the bow 
back and forth, the boat backed off the shoal.  Never used the salvage 
equipment.
Similar to the trick with a dinghy pushing on the bow.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, 
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Buddy of mine is a salvor.  He got called to free a 48 footer stuck on a
shoal a few years ago.  He showed up at high tide with all his air lift
bags and gear.  He got on the boat, put the boat in full reverse, hit the
bow thruster alternating port and starboard.  After a couple minutes of
wiggling the bow back and forth, the boat backed off the shoal.  Never used
the salvage equipment.

Similar to the trick with a dinghy pushing on the bow.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Our system, when running into mud in Georgia, (on a 36 foot motorsailor with
Sheel Keel), was to drop the dinghy, take a main halyard and small anchor,
take it way out sideways to stabilize the boat, and then wait 5 hours for
the tide to go out and come back up. Boat got way over, undamaged, and when
afloat again, we merrily continued on our way. The fat Sheel Keel does NOT
lend itself to being powered backwards, even with about 80 hp and a 23 inch
prop.

I managed to bury a Bermuda 40 about 100 yards from its dock after a race
here on the Miles River while being "guest skipper". The board was up and it
took all the tricks - heel, weight forward, crew hanging on boom, windless
with anchor, and motor. Still didn't work. A curious guy in a 20 foot power
boat came by and we talked him into taking our anchor way out. Then, all the
other tricks did actually work. 

On the Chesapeake, if you haven't run aground, you have been faking it.
Gary
St. Michaels MD

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

Our ICW system worked as follows:

1. Run aground

2. Everyone off the boat, swim around and find the deep water.

3. Everyone back on and all but one sit on the boom.

4. Swing the boom out, heel over, and head towards area found in step 2.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

"Offshore" has no actual definition. It isn't like buying a vessel for 
high latitude winter cruising and making sure the ice class you buy is 
equal to the ice you think you need to withstand, i.e.  don't buy a boat 
rated for 6 inches of ice if you are going to hit 12 inches.


So let us separate ability, performance, and comfort:

Most C, with obvious exceptions, can sail offshore and not sink. The 
issue rarely will be that your boat breaks up and sinks before getting 
into port. C made good boats and plenty of them have made plenty of 
offshore passages. That said, remember these are old boats now and need 
careful checking.


Most C are fast sailors. The big heavy tub contingent will say they 
lose performance when carrying a heavy load while their boats do not. 
That is true as far as it goes, but their boats are dog slow to start 
with and even a loaded C is way faster than they are!


Comfort/room/stores is another issue, especially if this is also your 
home. Most C are shallow bilge boats. This is good for speed, but 
bilge water gets a lot of places. Imagine an old 12 Meter, the bilge 
water is going to be way down there in the bilge unless the boat is 
inverted. Our boats are mostly the opposite of that. We tend to be light 
on storage and tankage too. I hold a whopping 18 gallons of fuel. Going 
trans-Atlantic, that would keep the batteries up for a month but provide 
no meaningful range under power. The boats were mostly not intended to 
be world traveling live-aboards when new. C tend to be both fast and 
light, which can really bang you around when pushing it. A couple days 
rail down in 20 footers doing max speed was like an airplane crash that 
never ended. Most cruisers don't push that hard and avoid that kind of 
weather anyway, but once again comfort was not the number one design 
criteria.


So if you want to sail the world's oceans and live on a boat, C are 
mostly not optimized for that use. Plenty of retired people hanging 
around on comfy Island Packets prove that out. But if you want to SAIL 
while you do all that.  :)


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Didn't Webb Chiles have an Ericson 37 come apart while offshore?

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Christopher 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:00:37 AM
To: robert
Cc: John Christopher; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

That’s him lol.


/John

On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:33 AM, robert 
mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:

John,

I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat on 
a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. $35K  
which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one locally 
bought it.

If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
for two weeks.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a drogue, 
had the rod rigging inspected, added



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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Our ICW system worked as follows:

1. Run aground

2. Everyone off the boat, swim around and find the deep water.

3. Everyone back on and all but one sit on the boom.

4. Swing the boom out, heel over, and head towards area found in step 2.

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List 37 Northern Lights

[robert via CnC-List]

Pete,

It is a coincidencenot the same boatthe 'Northern Lights' here 
is dark blue in color and I met the new owner.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 10:09 a.m., Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:

Maybe just coincidence, but there's a 37 named Northern Lights for sale in WI 
for $50k.

http://barkers-island-marina.com/yacht-details/?boatID=6847626







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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

This is the issue.I have a Fortress 16 and it makes a great kedging 
anchor. I usually set it out about 100-150 feet from the boat. There is 
no way I know of to kedge by throwing an anchor, you have to swim or row 
it out.


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I

On 4/24/2019 10:33 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
I'm not convinced you can throw an anchor far enough to kedge.  You 
wouldn't have a lot of scope and you'd be pulling up rather than 
horizontally.


I've always thought that kedging was best accomplished by hauling an 
anchor well away from the boat with a dinghy or floating it out on a PFD.


I was on an old LST in the Navy.  After we beached the ship bow first, 
we would lower a stern anchor down and tie it to a couple of large 
timbers tied between two Higgins Papa boats.  (A Papa boat is the one 
usually shown in Marine storming the beach films where the ramp drops 
down and the Marines charge ashore.)  The Papa boats would carry the 
anchor out a hundred yards or so and a bosun mate would cut the line 
with an axe.  Then we'd pull the ship off the beach with the stern 
anchor.  Now THAT's kedging.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:35 PM Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW.
Several times we ran aground either because skipper error or
shifting shoals that are impossible to keep up with unless you
sail in them often.

Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing
the bottom when thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be
dropped and then backed down on to grab the bottom--pulling them
in after a toss just doesn't allow them to properly set.

My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown
pretty far but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to
skip along the bottom in those circumstances.

My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this
situation would you recommend?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
See situations would you recommends?











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Stus-List 37 Northern Lights

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Maybe just coincidence, but there's a 37 named Northern Lights for sale in WI 
for $50k.  

http://barkers-island-marina.com/yacht-details/?boatID=6847626


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From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 7:33 AM
To: John Christopher 
Cc: robert ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

John,

I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat on 
a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. $35K  
which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one locally 
bought it.

If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
for two weeks.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.
>
> He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite 
> old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed.
> added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

That’s him lol.


/John

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:33 AM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
> bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
> Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat 
> on a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. 
> $35K  which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one 
> locally bought it.
> 
> If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
> for two weeks.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.
>> 
>> He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
>> equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a 
>> drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Josh,

Zero pounding either in The Washing Machine (Buzzards Bay) or out in the ocean.

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Rick Brass via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:21:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


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Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[robert via CnC-List]

John,

I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, 
he bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called 
Northern Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly 
used itsat on a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the 
market for approx. $35K  which I thought was an exceptional price for 
this boat and no one locally bought it.


If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay 
there for two weeks.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite 
old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. 
added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added



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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[schiller via CnC-List]

Chuck,

We got ourselves stuck in soft sand in the Black River (South Haven, 
Michigan) during the low water time on Lake Michigan.  We tried most of 
the easy things to get off with no luck.  A power boat came up and offer 
to pull us off and we were gathering lines for that when a guy came up 
in a small inflatable and said he would get us off.  We doubted it but 
he moved the dingy around under the bow of our Redwing 35 and gave the 
throttle a goose and the boat rose up and moved right off the sand bar.  
He said that he does this all the time (the Black River has a fairy 
narrow channel with lots of moving sediment).  If you have a dingy with 
you try that before hauling anchors around.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Crosswinds Marine, Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC
Launch Date: 3 May

On 4/24/2019 11:48 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Charlie,
never thought I could throw an anchor far enough to work as a kedge.

I've run aground many times with our old 7'4" fin keel, and our newer 
6' 3" fin keel. The advantage of a fin is that when you do hit bottom, 
you remain very upright. And the fin presents so little area that we 
we usually just back out or spin off. The rudder is only 5' deep so we 
can usually just spin around and power out of the shallows. In fifteen 
years owning the boat, the longest I've been stuck aground was 45 
minutes. My son and I had dinner waiting for the tide to float us off 
in a very narrow channel.


I wonder if a better way to get off is to run a dinghy out from the 
side of the boat and tug on a halyard. That would heel the boat and 
reduce your draft a great deal and help you power off.


I've never tried it, but I bought a diver's lift bag that is meant to 
lift 1000# using air. My intention was to tie it to a halyard run 
through the boom end, swing that out as far as possible and lower it 
into the water to gather weight and haul it up to heel the boat. That 
should create enough heel to reduce my draft by two feet, so I can 
motor off.


Opinion: The Fortress anchors are very cool and well engineered and 
light, but I gave mine away after seeing how difficult they are to 
set. I presently have a Delta on the bow, and two old Danforths as 
backups stowed below.


Chuck, Resolute, 1990 C 34/36R
On April 24, 2019 at 9:34 PM Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. 
Several times we ran aground either because skipper error or shifting 
shoals that are impossible to keep up with unless you sail in them often.


Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the 
bottom when thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped 
and then backed down on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a 
toss just doesn't allow them to properly set.


My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown 
pretty far but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to 
skip along the bottom in those circumstances.


My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this 
situation would you recommend?


Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
See situations would you recommends?











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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina. He was at the Halifax marina 
before. 

He upgraded his quite old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, 
depth, speed. added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, 
running rigging where needed, new anchor - Rocna, chain, sails, and  a few 
other things). 

The boat was solid and dry from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet 
decks. Yanmar is in excellent condition as verified by licensed mechanic 
(compression test, and oil analysis). 

When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friend lives in 
Montreal Quebec (11 hr distance). So it took him a while to do the work, and 
enjoy some sailing at the same time. 

He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he paced himself. He’s been 
in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as these boats are light 
displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything to him. Peace of mind.

Sean is asking good questions, and his gut may not be in sync with his heart 
and mind, but I can understand. In the end it’s his decision. I very much enjoy 
the views and advice of everyone is giving him. This is a FANTASTIC group of 
genuine people.

I almost bought a C 40 that needed work at port credit Toronto. But I bumped 
into the son of Eric Bruckman (had no clue who he was at the time) and he asked 
me if I was considering the boat and I said yes... I drove from Montreal to 
Toronto a few times to see the boat (and others) so I’m guessing he saw a 
pattern.

He knew the boat and asked me what my experience was and why this particular 
boat. Then he ran some numbers with me (based on what needed to be fixed) time 
and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going anywhere”... he basically 
opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a really great Landfall 38. I 
haven’t had to do anything to it really. I’m changing the glow plugs this year, 
and touching up the bottom paint.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
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[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a drogue, 
had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, running rigging where needed, 
new anchor - Rocna, chain, and  a few other things). The boat was solid and dry 
from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet decks. Yanmar is in excellent 
condition as verified by licensed mechanic (compression test, and oil 
analysis). When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friends 
lives in Montreal Quebec. So it took him a while to do the work, and enjoy some 
sailing at the same time. He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he 
paced himself. He’s been in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as 
these boats are light displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything 
to him.

I don’t think this is the boat for Sean, but I can understand. I almost bought 
a C 40 that needed work at port credit. But I bumped into Eric Bruckman (had 
no clue who he was at the time) and he asked me if I was considering the boat 
and I said yes... He knew the boat... 

he asked me what my experience was and why this particular boat. Then he ran 
some numbers with me, time and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going 
anywhere”... he basically opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a 
great Landfall 38.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Off shore boats

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

In a similar sense people have survived at sea in canvas rafts for months
on end.  People have also electively made Atlantic crossings in kayaks.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 2:10 AM colin binkley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wasn’t it Joshua Slocum that said,  “nearly any boat can circumnavigate;
> but not all crews can” ...
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Stus-List Off shore boats

[colin binkley via CnC-List]

Wasn’t it Joshua Slocum that said,  “nearly any boat can circumnavigate; but 
not all crews can” ...

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