Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Yes, you drill the hole bigger and tap for the threads on the outside of
the helicoil or thread insert.  The other main advantage of using one of
these over just tapping for a larger bolt is in softer base materials
(aluminum, plastic) it will distribute the screw load and prevent it from
stripping in the first place, at least to a point or damaging the threads
when the screw is removed and reinserted.  This is especially important if
the screw is one that will be installed and removed every year.  I think
that there might also be an advantage in preventing a stainless steel screw
from seizing/corroding as it will tend to do over time in tapped aluminum,
at least in a salt water environment.  For that reason, I would tend toward
using a solid insert such as https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/126/3505
rather than a helicoil if putting a stainless steel screw into threaded
aluminum where I want to be sure I can get them apart again.  We had bolt
together reusable aluminum frames at my last job with M16 and M24 bolts and
used inserts for threaded holes in the aluminum - worked great and we never
had issues with stripping or galling of the threads.

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:18 PM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Yes, allows the use of the original screw, so whatever is fastening to it
> doesn't have to be modified.
>
> Procedure is to drill and tap oversized, and install a helicoil -
> essentially a coil of square wire, wound up like a spring.  The wire
> engages in the new threads and is sized so that the original screw threads
> inside it.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2020-05-14 10:50 p.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have no
> experience with them.  I have several stripped screws on my Harken furler
> and was thinking they might be useful to repair.  What is unclear to me
> from what I have read is the reason to use them.  I still have threads
> there, and I thought the idea was to screw in a helicoil to make the
> threads grab again.  However, every description I have seen of using them
> drills out the hole, taps and then screws in a helicoil.  I don’t get the
> point.  If I am going to drill and tap, why would I use a helicoil instead
> of just putting a screw into the newly tapped hole?  Is it that you can use
> the same size screw as before instead of going to a larger size?  Is that
> preferable for some reason?  Dave
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

David wrote:

> I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have no
> experience with them.
>
>
I believe Helicoil may have been the original for this type of repair, but
many  people in my motorcycle circle prefer another brand called Time-Sert.
I've only used the Time-Sert and never had a problem.

Jim Hesketh
C&C 26 Whisper
Miami, FL
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Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

David,The purpose of helicoils is to repair threads in a hole, so you can use 
the same size faster. Are your fasteners stripped or the threads in the hole? 
Where on your curler are the threads damaged? Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C&C 
Landfall 39Port Orchard yacht club
 Original message From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/14/20  18:50  (GMT-08:00) To: CnC CnC 
discussion list  Cc: David Knecht 
 Subject: Stus-List Helicoils I have seen mention of 
helicoils several times on this list but I have no experience with them.  I 
have several stripped screws on my Harken furler and was thinking they might be 
useful to repair.  What is unclear to me from what I have read is the reason to 
use them.  I still have threads there, and I thought the idea was to screw in a 
helicoil to make the threads grab again.  However, every description I have 
seen of using them drills out the hole, taps and then screws in a helicoil.  I 
don’t get the point.  If I am going to drill and tap, why would I use a 
helicoil instead of just putting a screw into the newly tapped hole?  Is it 
that you can use the same size screw as before instead of going to a larger 
size?  Is that preferable for some reason?  Dave  
David KnechtS/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Helicoils are just one option to deal with stripped threads.  IMO if you
can go with a larger bolt then it is a better option.  Some applications
such as spark plugs have limited "meat" and fixed diameter threads so
staying with original size is really probably the only option.  In other
circumstances (SS fasteners in aluminum) you may actually find a good
option is to drill the hole clean and install a "liner" such as a rivnut
(rivet-nut).  This way you will have stainless on stainless.  This is
really only an option when the material is relatively thin and has space
behind (masts).

As for your furler I imagine that the fasteners failed because of the
aluminum to stainless galvanic corrosion?  In this case you probably have
room to increase the diameter but probably not the depth for a rivnut (or
for that matter a Helicoil).  I would definitely suggest up sizing for this
situation.  You will now find that you have options.  Standard or metric,
and how much larger?  I would walk the isle of the hardware store and
evaluate availability of fasteners before settling on anything.
Particularly difficult to find may be metric set screws in stainless.  This
is your opportunity to "upgrade" to more available standard sizes in
stainless.  In the case of set screws, you may want to consider
availability of allen wrench.  9/32nds or 17/64ths is relatively less
available.  Stepping up another fraction might put you in a more
conventional size of tool.  When you install them, make sure to use a
galvanic isolating material, either a lubricant like tef-gel or anti-seize,
or a thread locker.  Blue or green thread locker would be my choice for 1/8
to 1/4 inch set screws.  You'll probably have to plan on bringing a micro
torch when to go to remove the screws.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 21:52 David Knecht via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have no
> experience with them.  I have several stripped screws on my Harken furler
> and was thinking they might be useful to repair.  What is unclear to me
> from what I have read is the reason to use them.  I still have threads
> there, and I thought the idea was to screw in a helicoil to make the
> threads grab again.  However, every description I have seen of using them
> drills out the hole, taps and then screws in a helicoil.  I don’t get the
> point.  If I am going to drill and tap, why would I use a helicoil instead
> of just putting a screw into the newly tapped hole?  Is it that you can use
> the same size screw as before instead of going to a larger size?  Is that
> preferable for some reason?  Dave
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi David

Yes, allows the use of the original screw, so whatever is fastening to 
it doesn't have to be modified.


Procedure is to drill and tap oversized, and install a helicoil - 
essentially a coil of square wire, wound up like a spring.  The wire 
engages in the new threads and is sized so that the original screw 
threads inside it.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2020-05-14 10:50 p.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have 
no experience with them.  I have several stripped screws on my Harken 
furler and was thinking they might be useful to repair.  What is 
unclear to me from what I have read is the reason to use them.  I 
still have threads there, and I thought the idea was to screw in a 
helicoil to make the threads grab again.  However, every description I 
have seen of using them drills out the hole, taps and then screws in a 
helicoil.  I don’t get the point.  If I am going to drill and tap, why 
would I use a helicoil instead of just putting a screw into the newly 
tapped hole?  Is it that you can use the same size screw as before 
instead of going to a larger size?  Is that preferable for some 
reason?  Dave


David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Helicoils

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

That’s about it.  You would have to drill the other piece to fit a larger
bolt and there might not be enough metal.

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:52 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have no
> experience with them.  I have several stripped screws on my Harken furler
> and was thinking they might be useful to repair.  What is unclear to me
> from what I have read is the reason to use them.  I still have threads
> there, and I thought the idea was to screw in a helicoil to make the
> threads grab again.  However, every description I have seen of using them
> drills out the hole, taps and then screws in a helicoil.  I don’t get the
> point.  If I am going to drill and tap, why would I use a helicoil instead
> of just putting a screw into the newly tapped hole?  Is it that you can use
> the same size screw as before instead of going to a larger size?  Is that
> preferable for some reason?  Dave
>
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Stus-List Helicoils

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have seen mention of helicoils several times on this list but I have no 
experience with them.  I have several stripped screws on my Harken furler and 
was thinking they might be useful to repair.  What is unclear to me from what I 
have read is the reason to use them.  I still have threads there, and I thought 
the idea was to screw in a helicoil to make the threads grab again.  However, 
every description I have seen of using them drills out the hole, taps and then 
screws in a helicoil.  I don’t get the point.  If I am going to drill and tap, 
why would I use a helicoil instead of just putting a screw into the newly 
tapped hole?  Is it that you can use the same size screw as before instead of 
going to a larger size?  Is that preferable for some reason?  Dave
  
David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

For Josh and anyone else interested...here are 
much better images of my traveler install and the 
teak insert where the usual install is.


https://www.flickr.com/gp/tombuscaglia/7PBEu9

https://www.flickr.com/gp/tombuscaglia/3XAe89

Tom B

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com




From: Rob Ball via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball
Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . .
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim 
the main, but deadly for moving around the cockpit . . . . .
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and 
good for short handed sailing but again is very 
awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . .
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit 
moving around hurdles but indeed forces extra 
structure in the deck construction, a stronger 
boom, and stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested 
makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . . . .

There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
Hunter solved it with a big structural 
Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler up high, 
but I could never bring myself to do that to the 
aesthetics of our designs . . . . .


Rob Ball. C&C 34



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Re: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hi,

When we bought our C&C 29-2 4 years ago, the dodger being in great
condition was a big plus. It didn't affect the price much but increased the
value of the boat. I never think about investing in my boat as something
that will give me any return on my investment. I think about the
improvements as providing me with the luxuries, creature comforts, and
safety to maximize my enjoyment of the boat while I own it. It's a plus if
they will help me sell it down the line, but I never expect to get any
return on them. It may maintain the value at the current rate for that boat
is about all I expect.

As far as a dodger goes, sailing any place where there's cold water and the
possibility of cold weather (we're on Lake Superior), I consider it a must
have unless all plan to do is race your boat. I use my C&C for cruising/fun
so it's a must have. The dodger also allows us to extend our season a lot
longer giving us cover in early/late season. Be prepared to repair and or
have a sailmaker look at it every few years and it will last you a long
time.

My dodger also has handholds build into the side for moving forward which
is an awesome feature. Pics on google photos below:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNtIngd45Lk9Wf5yx608sF6UFqq-W6r1X3taSnDcG_OPsAqRS1IfsnGp6oUfwXmmQ?key=cEhMUUlyajNNTXlOeWNQWmxRNXNzY28zUDRzT0Fn


Gene Fodor
Hawk, C&C 29-2
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Re: Stus-List Silica Packs and Tablets

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

It would depend on how long you store it there, and how humid it is there. I 
hope it is not that bad. I would venture to say that if you don't see mold 
growing on the walls your electronics should be fine.

But I live in a temperate climate (or so I keep telling myself)

Marek
Ottawa, ON

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Sent: 14 May, 2020 16:13
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: Stus-List Silica Packs and Tablets

Must a be a slow work day..
Need I put silica pack(s) in with the tablet in the zip lock when storing the 
IPad on boat when not in use?
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List Silica Packs and Tablets

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I haven’t and mine has been mounted by the nav table for the past two years, 
including trips to and cruising in Bermuda and the Caribbean. No problems so 
far. Not that your plan has any downside...
Andy
Masquerade
Sitting in Newport Hbr wondering when we're next going to get a day with the 
breeze under 30!

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On May 14, 2020, at 16:13, David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Must a be a slow work day..
> 
> Need I put silica pack(s) in with the tablet in the zip lock when storing the 
> IPad on boat when not in use?
> 
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Stus-List Silica Packs and Tablets

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Must a be a slow work day..

Need I put silica pack(s) in with the tablet in the zip lock when storing the 
IPad on boat when not in use?

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

YEP NAILED IT !

To stay on topic, I am definitely following along to see what it might take to 
mount closer to helm

John C

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From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

I think they design an RV Interior, Kick it around a little to wrap a hull 
around that, and then sell it to the women.
And if that guy wants to go sailing without getting a divorce, he buys it.

Work for them.

Bill Coleman

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C&C, even without a traveler!
Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by, 😊  However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

John C

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From: Rob Ball via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball
Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . .
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . .
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . .
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . .
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . .

Rob Ball. C&C 34

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think they design an RV Interior, Kick it around a little to wrap a hull 
around that, and then sell it to the women. 

And if that guy wants to go sailing without getting a divorce, he buys it.

 

Work for them.

 

Bill Coleman

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

 

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C&C, even without a traveler! 

Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by, 😊  However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

 

John C 

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball  
Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

 

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . . 
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . . 
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . . 
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . . 
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . . 
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . . 

Rob Ball. C&C 34

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Throw in no Back Stay on the Hunters and we have a….. well lets just say I will 
stay with the C&C, even without a traveler!
Have to say it was fun Sunday to be told by a Hunter Deck Salon 44 to turn my 
engine off as I blew by, 😊  However I was on board (kidnapped) and they are 
really gorgeous and very spacious inside.

John C

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From: Rob Ball via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball
Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . .
On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for moving 
around the cockpit . . . . .
Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing but 
again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . .
Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but indeed 
forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and stronger 
mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed sailing . . 
. . .
There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
designs . . . . .

Rob Ball. C&C 34

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>   4. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Marek Dziedzic)
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Re: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I have three favorite pieces of equipment on the boat.  Autopilot, Dodger and 
12 volt refrig.  Even though its down 75% of the time...Once you have that 
dodger you will wonder how you survived without it.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Thomas Perison via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Thomas Perison ; Jeremy Dinsel 

Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger

Jeremy -
I have some pics of my old v new dodger for my 29-2.
If you’d like to send your em address I’ll fwd them...pic size too big for here.
Keeping my original frame, it was modified to accommodate a larger dodger.  
~$1200 as I remember.
Cheers -

Tom
Therapy
Solomons MD
Sent from my iPhone


On May 13, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I’m looking to add a dodger to my C&C 29 (the original model). It used to have 
one, but one of the previous owners removed it before I ever saw it. I’m 
wondering if any of the C&C 29 owners on this list wouldn’t mind sending me a 
photo of their dodger along with any statements of affirmation that adding such 
a costly item to the boat is worth it. My friend, and fellow C&C owner Lee has 
already advised me that I’m not likely to get the return on investment when I 
eventually sell the boat, but it might make the boat easier to sell when the 
time comes. I think I’m okay with this because I think the dodger will help 
with keeping some of the cold pacific northwest winds off me when I’m relaxing 
in full foulies in the cockpit, staring at the sun with eyes closed (or the 
clouds blocking the sun).

Best regards and thanks in advance!

Jeremy Dinsel
S/V Whisper, 1977 C&C 29


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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Josh

The channel and ports are still there.  But instead of the traveler, there is a 
piece of teak laid in.  I see no evidence that there was ever a track there.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On May 14, 2020, at 4:41 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 02:42:53 -0400
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C&C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Tom, do you know if your boat was built that way or if it was modified?
> The 37/40s that I've seen, including mine, have a channel and ports cast
> into the fiberglass right at the aft edge of the athwartship cockpit bench.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020, 01:13 Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Our 37+/40 has the traveler in front of the wheel instead of blocking the
>> entrance to the cabin at the front of the cockpit.  It is a short Lewmar
>> rail between the front of the seats.  It is not much of a swing, only about
>> 30" or so wide.  But, it  works great for us.
>> 
>> This is the best image I can find.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/tombuscaglia/9581186114/in/datetaken-public/
>> 
>> I have never seen this set up on another 37+/40 and I am pretty sure it
>> was a factory order.  But I had a boom end traveler on my C&C 35 MK1, so
>> I'm used to it.  Aside from the disadvantage of not being able to have an
>> enclosed cockpit, I love it.
>> 
>> Tom B
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Re: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger

[Greg Alimenti via CnC-List]

Hi Jeremy,

I had a new dodger installed on my 29 Mk1 in 2007 at a cost of $1638 by Genco 
Marine of Toronto.  I like the look and it has held up well although I try to 
limit its use to spring and fall since it is red and subject to fading.  I 
ordered the stainless frame including handholds just aft of the side curtains.  
It really makes a difference sailing to windward and while motoring.   I have 
motored thirty hours and I can’t imagine trying to stay warm  slogging against 
a breeze on Lake Michigan all night without it.  It also makes the cockpit more 
comfortable while at anchor if there is any kind of wind forward.  In terms of 
sailing controls, I had to move the mainsheet block aft a couple of inches on 
the boom and the secondary winches forward on the coaming cannot be used, genoa 
just fine.  With the dodger I can leave the companionway open in a rainstorm 
and the area behind the ‘windshield’ becomes added space for storing whatever. 
There are cutouts for the halyards which lead aft to the cabintop winches.  I 
will send you photos.

Greg Alimenti
St. Joseph, MI
Cara Mia
1977 C&C 29 Mk 1

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Dinsel via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeremy Dinsel 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger


I’m looking to add a dodger to my C&C 29 (the original model). It used to have 
one, but one of the previous owners removed it before I ever saw it. I’m 
wondering if any of the C&C 29 owners on this list wouldn’t mind sending me a 
photo of their dodger along with any statements of affirmation that adding such 
a costly item to the boat is worth it. My friend, and fellow C&C owner Lee has 
already advised me that I’m not likely to get the return on investment when I 
eventually sell the boat, but it might make the boat easier to sell when the 
time comes. I think I’m okay with this because I think the dodger will help 
with keeping some of the cold pacific northwest winds off me when I’m relaxing 
in full foulies in the cockpit, staring at the sun with eyes closed (or the 
clouds blocking the sun).

Best regards and thanks in advance!

Jeremy Dinsel
S/V Whisper, 1977 C&C 29


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[David Risch via CnC-List]

I sail a lot around here without the main.  Life is much easier and the boat 
goes almost as fast and points high enough for  our purposes.  With main up the 
coach mounted traveler is out of the way and works fine as either a race crew 
is dedicated to the main or single/double handed racing or cruising the 
autopilot is steering and I am free to move about.   Nice design Rob.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

I do a lot of single handing on my 37 and my main sheet is up on the coach 
roof. I trim it proper and don’t touch during tack (well maybe a little 
tweaking after)  I have to get in front of the wheel for the genny sheets but 
its worth the effort during Covid. Full length Lazzarette locker means I could 
only gain a little mounting in front of Companion way, and still not be able to 
reach.   Bigger problem for me is the back and forth dropping the main halyard 
which is also under dodger, especially while my Auto pilot is still not working 
properly (still cant get wheel off) Sure I look funny going around in circles 
out there , but worth every bit of effort these days to get out! Yearning to 
have just 1 crew back would be great!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

A friend has two travellers on his 32 footer, though it's not a C&C.  The 
coachroof traveller is used for cruising and the one across the front of the 
cockpit seats is used for racing.  His mainsheet purchase had two sets of bails 
and we would move the purchase at the dock.  He still can't singlehand because 
he sits behind a wheel and can't reach the mainsheet.  There should be a way to 
keep your traveler where it is, and rework the purchase so the dead end of the 
line leads back to the end of the boom to a block and then down to a swivel 
cleat on the cockpit floor in front of the wheel, where you could reach around 
and adjust the line while steering.  You may need to get a longer mainsheet.

FWIW, I moved my traveller fifteen years ago to have a nice setup in front of 
my wheel, I can send pictures if you like.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R


On May 13, 2020 at 9:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I was going to say I like the cabin top arrangement for cruising (not so much 
for racing) because the traveler and sheet are out of the cockpit, where 
everyone likes to sit.  My 42 Custom has the same arrangement as the 34 (the 
boat is basically a big version of the 34 or 36, with the keel swept back 
slightly more).  The main is a bit of a pain to trim when shorthanded, but on 
balance I like it where it is – out of the way.

Matt Wolford

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

I guess it depends on the wife. I had a traveller right across the cockpit on 
our previous boat. It was great for adjusting the sails, but it was also great 
to hit my wife on the shins. The current boat has a traveller on the cabin top, 
and it was a “must have” requirement for this boat.

It is almost the same discussion as the wheel vs. tiller.

Marek

1994 C270 ”Legato”
Ottawa, ON



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Sent: 13 May, 2020 22:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pamela & David mailto:thesaltfam...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

Hello

Has any one moved the mainsheet traveler from the cabin top to just in front 
the wheel?  When sailing wife the wife I find adjustments to the main difficult 
at times.  Have tried playing with the traveler but the sheet tension is the 
problems.
Any thoughts

David
MUDPUDDLE ( Whitby)


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[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

What size Genoa is that John?

We have separate tracks on our coachroof for the #3 sail, but looking at
your setup it makes me wonder if I should sheet from the Genoa track...



On Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:40 AM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>Here is my set up last Sunday Beautiful day !  hope this works
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jrPKrHpaQz67PlOvl29B8t7jy8jYZlsW
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HCWLmp-yQXHN6GP7o1e51vzIItLGhHMP
>
>
>
> John Conklin
>
> S/V Halcyon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *John Conklin via CnC-List 
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:23 AM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *John Conklin 
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34
>
>
>
> I do a lot of single handing on my 37 and my main sheet is up on the coach
> roof. I trim it proper and don’t touch during tack (well maybe a little
> tweaking after)  I have to get in front of the wheel for the genny sheets
> but its worth the effort during Covid. Full length Lazzarette locker means
> I could only gain a little mounting in front of Companion way, and still
> not be able to reach.   Bigger problem for me is the back and forth
> dropping the main halyard which is also under dodger, especially while my
> Auto pilot is still not working properly (still cant get wheel off) Sure I
> look funny going around in circles out there , but worth every bit of
> effort these days to get out! Yearning to have just 1 crew back would be
> great!
>
>
>
> John Conklin
>
> S/V Halcyon
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:52 PM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34
>
>
>
> A friend has two travellers on his 32 footer, though it's not a C&C.  The
> coachroof traveller is used for cruising and the one across the front of
> the cockpit seats is used for racing.  His mainsheet purchase had two sets
> of bails and we would move the purchase at the dock.  He still can't
> singlehand because he sits behind a wheel and can't reach the mainsheet.
> There should be a way to keep your traveler where it is, and rework the
> purchase so the dead end of the line leads back to the end of the boom to a
> block and then down to a swivel cleat on the cockpit floor in front of the
> wheel, where you could reach around and adjust the line while steering.
> You may need to get a longer mainsheet.
>
>
>
> FWIW, I moved my traveller fifteen years ago to have a nice setup in front
> of my wheel, I can send pictures if you like.
>
>
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2020 at 9:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I was going to say I like the cabin top arrangement for cruising (not so
> much for racing) because the traveler and sheet are out of the cockpit,
> where everyone likes to sit.  My 42 Custom has the same arrangement as the
> 34 (the boat is basically a big version of the 34 or 36, with the keel
> swept back slightly more).  The main is a bit of a pain to trim when
> shorthanded, but on balance I like it where it is – out of the way.
>
>
>
> Matt Wolford
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Marek
> Dziedzic via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:41 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34
>
>
>
> I guess it depends on the wife. I had a traveller right across the cockpit
> on our previous boat. It was great for adjusting the sails, but it was also
> great to hit my wife on the shins. The current boat has a traveller on the
> cabin top, and it was a “must have” requirement for this boat.
>
>
>
> It is almost the same discussion as the wheel vs. tiller.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> 1994 C270 ”Legato”
>
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List *On Behalf Of *Pamela & David via CnC-List
> *Sent:* 13 May, 2020 22:23
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Pamela & David 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> Has any one moved the mainsheet traveler from the cabin top to just in
> front the wheel?  When sailing wife the wife I find adjustments to the main
> difficult at times.  Have tried playing with the traveler but the sheet
> tension is the problems.
>
> Any thoughts
>
>
>
> David
>
> MUDPUDDLE ( Whitby)
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
> 
>
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> 
>
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

On the 24, it was easy to install. I had it on mine. As I said before, it 
worked great for adjusting the sails, but you would bang your shins on it every 
time you entered the cabin and if you were not careful enough (or unlucky), you 
could break a leg.

Marek

From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Stephen Thorne via CnC-List
Sent: 14 May, 2020 09:55
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stephen Thorne 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

David - have you ever looked into installing a traveler set up in front of 
binacle on your 34+? I haven’t explored the details for this modification but 
doesn’t seem too complicated.  I did this project on my first C&C, a 24’ that I 
had at the municipal harbor in New Orleans pre Katrina days.

Stephen Thorne
34+ Dejavu

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Re: Stus-List Portlight Windows

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I did mine (42 Custom) two or so years ago using the method suggested on
this list.  I’m no handyman, but was able to do this project with good
results.  I used plexi (not Lexan, which is stronger but scratches easier),
the VHB tape, and the Dow Corning silicon (doesn’t “skin” as fast as some
others).  Be mindful of temperatures -- I would not do the install on a hot,
sunny day, for example.  Also, in my case the original windows were slightly
bigger than they should have been to get the proper gap for the silicon.
There was gel coat chipping in various spots around the recess, which I
believe came from the windows expanding more than the boat on hot days.  To
get the 3/16” gap (or thereabouts) all around the new plexi, my replacements
were slightly smaller than the originals.  I made wooden templates out of ¼”
ply to get the size/fit I wanted before cutting the plexi. 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of TAGraphics via
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:34 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: TAGraphics 
Subject: Stus-List Portlight Windows

 

I read the article on PORTLIGHT REPLACEMENT  in the DIY project section and
was wondering if anyone else attempted to replace these frameless recessed
windows? Materials used?  Sources? Methods?

Thanks

 

Tom Alessi

ANDIAMO

1980 36' C&C


 

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Re: Stus-List Portlight Windows

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I’ll echo David Risch’s comment; very easy to do. I’ve done it twice. The VHB 
tape method is a game changer.

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 14, 2020, at 7:34 AM, TAGraphics via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I read the article on PORTLIGHT REPLACEMENT  in the DIY project section and 
> was wondering if anyone else attempted to replace these frameless recessed 
> windows? Materials used?  Sources? Methods?
> Thanks
>  
> Tom Alessi
> ANDIAMO
> 1980 36' C&C
> 
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[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

David - have you ever looked into installing a traveler set up in front of
binacle on your 34+? I haven’t explored the details for this modification
but doesn’t seem too complicated.  I did this project on my first C&C, a
24’ that I had at the municipal harbor in New Orleans pre Katrina days.

Stephen Thorne
34+ Dejavu

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:03 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When I was looking for a boat to replace our 34, I looked at a C&C 99 and
> I loved the cockpit layout because it had the main traveller and genoa near
> the helm and since I sail primarily single-handed it was perfect.
> Unfortunately, it was a bit too race oriented down below for my wife and I
> to cruise comfortably, so we went with the 34+.  For us, the 34+ is the
> ideal boat, but I sure wish the traveller was like the 99.  Then I would
> add the 12:1/ 3:1 setup Josh described and it would be awesome.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On May 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use
> of mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly
> better.  For sailing it should be back by the helm.
>
> Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the
> helm.  Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward
> crewed or short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib
> controls.  It makes no sailing sense.
>
> I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.
>
> This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To
> make this C&C related think of my boat as a C&C 33-2.  It is basically the
> same .  IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help
> with comfort but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof
> setup on our family's C&C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our
> George Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Halifax, NS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rob Ball via
> CnC-List
> Sent: May 13, 2020 11:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rob Ball 
> Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location
>
> Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . .
> . .
> On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for
> moving around the cockpit . . . . .
> Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing
> but again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . .
> . .
> Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but
> indeed forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom,
> and stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short
> handed sailing . . . . .
> There was/is not perfect solution . . . . .
> Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the
> traveler up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the
> aesthetics of our designs . . . . .
>
> Rob Ball. C&C 34
>
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>  3. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Neil Andersen)
>  4. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Marek Dziedzic)
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Re: Stus-List Preparing to sell C & C 24 Sidney BC

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Patrick

Yes .. not just pictures of the interior is good advice.  However just pictures 
of the exterior features only is also bad.  You should have pictures of both 
and if possible information on age of sail inventory, electronics, engine 
information and the like.

My experience is that boats showing only interior pictures have concentrated on 
the interior and neglected things like sails, rigging and other gear.  Ads with 
only pictures of the boat sailing and shots of the electronics, winches, sails, 
etc … probably have not cared much about the interior.

The C&C 24 is a starter boat and as such for many prospective buyers their 
first boat.  Potential buyers will be interested in the layout and interior 
condition as they may not be familiar with C&C 24 as they are likely new 
sailors or first time boat buyers.  Showing that your boat has update winches, 
sails, rigging, etc .. a recent model outboard motor, cushions that are not 
from 1974, etc .. will make your boat more attractive than others from the same 
era.  24 foot sailboats are not very expensive to purchase these days but if a 
new main sail or genoa is required those are very expensive!

Good luck!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Patrick Wesley via 
CnC-List
Sent: May 14, 2020 10:07 AM
To: Peter Fell 
Cc: Patrick Wesley ; 1 CnC List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Preparing to sell C & C 24 Sidney BC

Thanks, Peter, good advice. Good point about the photos.

On May 13, 2020 at 9:56 p.m., Peter Fell 
mailto:prf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Are you speaking of the legal paperwork, etc required for a sale, or more how / 
where to advertise?

With respect to the latter, are you a member of any of the Facebook C&C groups? 
You could try there. Also Usedvictoria, craigslist, kijiji, varagesale, etc. 
Look at detail provided on some of the broker sites in terms of details,  
listing of included equipment, etc. Online sites vary in terms of number of 
pictures , etc allowed, so I'd make up a fact sheet / scan copies of survey, 
etc (redact personal information) and extra pictures and put them up on a image 
hosting site like Flickr. Then link in the ad.

By the way I hate ads that show multiple interior shots and nothing of any of 
the systems, engine, etc.
On Wed., May 13, 2020, 9:01 a.m. Patrick Wesley via CnC-List, 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Regret to say that the time has come to part with The Boat after many years of 
great fun. Watch this space. Any advice on how to do this, I have little 
practice! Patrick Wesley


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Re: Stus-List Preparing to sell C & C 24 Sidney BC

[Patrick Wesley via CnC-List]

Thanks, Peter, good advice. Good point about the photos. 

On May 13, 2020 at 9:56 p.m., Peter Fell  wrote:


Are you speaking of the legal paperwork, etc required for a sale, or more how / 
where to advertise?


With respect to the latter, are you a member of any of the Facebook C&C groups? 
You could try there. Also Usedvictoria, craigslist, kijiji, varagesale, etc. Look 
at detail provided on some of the broker sites in terms of details,  listing of 
included equipment, etc. Online sites vary in terms of number of pictures , etc 
allowed, so I'd make up a fact sheet / scan copies of survey, etc (redact personal 
information) and extra pictures and put them up on a image hosting site like 
Flickr. Then link in the ad.


By the way I hate ads that show multiple interior shots and nothing of any of 
the systems, engine, etc.


On Wed., May 13, 2020, 9:01 a.m. Patrick Wesley via CnC-List, 
 wrote:

Regret to say that the time has come to part with The Boat after many years of 
great fun. Watch this space. Any advice on how to do this, I have little 
practice! Patrick Wesley




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Re: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

When I was looking for a boat to replace our 34, I looked at a C&C 99 and I 
loved the cockpit layout because it had the main traveller and genoa near the 
helm and since I sail primarily single-handed it was perfect.  Unfortunately, 
it was a bit too race oriented down below for my wife and I to cruise 
comfortably, so we went with the 34+.  For us, the 34+ is the ideal boat, but I 
sure wish the traveller was like the 99.  Then I would add the 12:1/ 3:1 setup 
Josh described and it would be awesome.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On May 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry.  My opinion is that the Hunter design is the most unappealing use of 
> mainsheet traveller that I could imagine.  Coach roof is only slightly 
> better.  For sailing it should be back by the helm.
> 
> Previous two boats had it by the helm.  The boat I raced on had it by the 
> helm.  Current boat has it on bridge deck.  I find it supremely awkward 
> crewed or short handed to have the main controls forward of the jib controls. 
>  It makes no sailing sense.
> 
> I always loved a boat where the helm could also trim main.  
> 
> This is one of the things I really dislike about our current boat.  To make 
> this C&C related think of my boat as a C&C 33-2.  It is basically the same .  
> IMO the bridgedeck setup was a compromise by the designer to help with 
> comfort but I find it extremely uncomfortable.  I hated the coach roof setup 
> on our family's C&C 36 and loved the cross cockpit travellers on our George 
> Hinterhoeller designed Niagara 26 and or J27
> 
> Mike
> 
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Halifax, NS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Rob Ball via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: May 13, 2020 11:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rob Ball 
> Subject: Stus-List Main sheet Traveler Location
> 
> Designing a cockpit to include the traveler is the biggest challenge . . . . 
> . 
> On the bridge deck - good for the crew to trim the main, but deadly for 
> moving around the cockpit . . . . . 
> Aft by the binnacle is good for trimming and good for short handed sailing 
> but again is very awkward to use the cockpit for comfort or movement . . . . 
> . 
> Forward of the companionway solves all cockpit moving around hurdles but 
> indeed forces extra structure in the deck construction, a stronger boom, and 
> stronger mainsheet. And, as suggested makes it challenging for short handed 
> sailing . . . . . 
> There was/is not perfect solution . . . . . 
> Hunter solved it with a big structural Bimini-type rail to carry the traveler 
> up high, but I could never bring myself to do that to the aesthetics of our 
> designs . . . . . 
> 
> Rob Ball. C&C 34
> 
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>>  3. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Neil Andersen)
>>  4. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Marek Dziedzic)
>>  5. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (wolf...@erie.net)
>>  6. Re:  Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34 (Josh Muckley) 
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Re: Stus-List Portlight Windows

[David Risch via CnC-List]

On my 1981 40.  Used old windows as templates.  Plastic vendor in Warwick RI.  
3M VHB tape and Boatlife caulk.  Simpler than you think...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of TAGraphics via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:34 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: TAGraphics 
Subject: Stus-List Portlight Windows

I read the article on PORTLIGHT REPLACEMENT  in the DIY project section and was 
wondering if anyone else attempted to replace these frameless recessed windows? 
Materials used?  Sources? Methods?
Thanks

Tom Alessi
ANDIAMO
1980 36' C&C


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[John Conklin via CnC-List]

   Here is my set up last Sunday Beautiful day !  hope this works

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jrPKrHpaQz67PlOvl29B8t7jy8jYZlsW

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HCWLmp-yQXHN6GP7o1e51vzIItLGhHMP

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon




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From: John Conklin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

I do a lot of single handing on my 37 and my main sheet is up on the coach 
roof. I trim it proper and don’t touch during tack (well maybe a little 
tweaking after)  I have to get in front of the wheel for the genny sheets but 
its worth the effort during Covid. Full length Lazzarette locker means I could 
only gain a little mounting in front of Companion way, and still not be able to 
reach.   Bigger problem for me is the back and forth dropping the main halyard 
which is also under dodger, especially while my Auto pilot is still not working 
properly (still cant get wheel off) Sure I look funny going around in circles 
out there , but worth every bit of effort these days to get out! Yearning to 
have just 1 crew back would be great!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

A friend has two travellers on his 32 footer, though it's not a C&C.  The 
coachroof traveller is used for cruising and the one across the front of the 
cockpit seats is used for racing.  His mainsheet purchase had two sets of bails 
and we would move the purchase at the dock.  He still can't singlehand because 
he sits behind a wheel and can't reach the mainsheet.  There should be a way to 
keep your traveler where it is, and rework the purchase so the dead end of the 
line leads back to the end of the boom to a block and then down to a swivel 
cleat on the cockpit floor in front of the wheel, where you could reach around 
and adjust the line while steering.  You may need to get a longer mainsheet.

FWIW, I moved my traveller fifteen years ago to have a nice setup in front of 
my wheel, I can send pictures if you like.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R


On May 13, 2020 at 9:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List  
wrote:

I was going to say I like the cabin top arrangement for cruising (not so much 
for racing) because the traveler and sheet are out of the cockpit, where 
everyone likes to sit.  My 42 Custom has the same arrangement as the 34 (the 
boat is basically a big version of the 34 or 36, with the keel swept back 
slightly more).  The main is a bit of a pain to trim when shorthanded, but on 
balance I like it where it is – out of the way.



Matt Wolford



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34



I guess it depends on the wife. I had a traveller right across the cockpit on 
our previous boat. It was great for adjusting the sails, but it was also great 
to hit my wife on the shins. The current boat has a traveller on the cabin top, 
and it was a “must have” requirement for this boat.



It is almost the same discussion as the wheel vs. tiller.



Marek



1994 C270 ”Legato”

Ottawa, ON







From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Pamela & David via CnC-List
Sent: 13 May, 2020 22:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pamela & David 
Subject: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34



Hello



Has any one moved the mainsheet traveler from the cabin top to just in front 
the wheel?  When sailing wife the wife I find adjustments to the main difficult 
at times.  Have tried playing with the traveler but the sheet tension is the 
problems.

Any thoughts



David

MUDPUDDLE ( Whitby)



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Re: Stus-List C&C 29s with a Dodger

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

Jeremy - 
I have some pics of my old v new dodger for my 29-2. 
If you’d like to send your em address I’ll fwd them...pic size too big for 
here. 
Keeping my original frame, it was modified to accommodate a larger dodger.  
~$1200 as I remember. 
Cheers - 

Tom 
Therapy 
Solomons MD 

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>> On May 13, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m looking to add a dodger to my C&C 29 (the original model). It used to 
> have one, but one of the previous owners removed it before I ever saw it. I’m 
> wondering if any of the C&C 29 owners on this list wouldn’t mind sending me a 
> photo of their dodger along with any statements of affirmation that adding 
> such a costly item to the boat is worth it. My friend, and fellow C&C owner 
> Lee has already advised me that I’m not likely to get the return on 
> investment when I eventually sell the boat, but it might make the boat easier 
> to sell when the time comes. I think I’m okay with this because I think the 
> dodger will help with keeping some of the cold pacific northwest winds off me 
> when I’m relaxing in full foulies in the cockpit, staring at the sun with 
> eyes closed (or the clouds blocking the sun). 
> 
> Best regards and thanks in advance!
> 
> Jeremy Dinsel
> S/V Whisper, 1977 C&C 29
> 
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[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I do a lot of single handing on my 37 and my main sheet is up on the coach 
roof. I trim it proper and don’t touch during tack (well maybe a little 
tweaking after)  I have to get in front of the wheel for the genny sheets but 
its worth the effort during Covid. Full length Lazzarette locker means I could 
only gain a little mounting in front of Companion way, and still not be able to 
reach.   Bigger problem for me is the back and forth dropping the main halyard 
which is also under dodger, especially while my Auto pilot is still not working 
properly (still cant get wheel off) Sure I look funny going around in circles 
out there , but worth every bit of effort these days to get out! Yearning to 
have just 1 crew back would be great!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34

A friend has two travellers on his 32 footer, though it's not a C&C.  The 
coachroof traveller is used for cruising and the one across the front of the 
cockpit seats is used for racing.  His mainsheet purchase had two sets of bails 
and we would move the purchase at the dock.  He still can't singlehand because 
he sits behind a wheel and can't reach the mainsheet.  There should be a way to 
keep your traveler where it is, and rework the purchase so the dead end of the 
line leads back to the end of the boom to a block and then down to a swivel 
cleat on the cockpit floor in front of the wheel, where you could reach around 
and adjust the line while steering.  You may need to get a longer mainsheet.

FWIW, I moved my traveller fifteen years ago to have a nice setup in front of 
my wheel, I can send pictures if you like.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R


On May 13, 2020 at 9:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List  
wrote:

I was going to say I like the cabin top arrangement for cruising (not so much 
for racing) because the traveler and sheet are out of the cockpit, where 
everyone likes to sit.  My 42 Custom has the same arrangement as the 34 (the 
boat is basically a big version of the 34 or 36, with the keel swept back 
slightly more).  The main is a bit of a pain to trim when shorthanded, but on 
balance I like it where it is – out of the way.



Matt Wolford



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34



I guess it depends on the wife. I had a traveller right across the cockpit on 
our previous boat. It was great for adjusting the sails, but it was also great 
to hit my wife on the shins. The current boat has a traveller on the cabin top, 
and it was a “must have” requirement for this boat.



It is almost the same discussion as the wheel vs. tiller.



Marek



1994 C270 ”Legato”

Ottawa, ON







From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Pamela & David via CnC-List
Sent: 13 May, 2020 22:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pamela & David 
Subject: Stus-List Moving Main Sheet Traveler on a C&C-34



Hello



Has any one moved the mainsheet traveler from the cabin top to just in front 
the wheel?  When sailing wife the wife I find adjustments to the main difficult 
at times.  Have tried playing with the traveler but the sheet tension is the 
problems.

Any thoughts



David

MUDPUDDLE ( Whitby)



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[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I moved my traveler to the bridge deck as there didn’t seem to be a good way to 
move it further aft.   The main trims much better now than it did when the 
traveller was on the coach top.


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On May 13, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Pamela & David via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Has any one moved the mainsheet traveler from the cabin top to just in front 
> the wheel?  When sailing wife the wife I find adjustments to the main 
> difficult at times.  Have tried playing with the traveler but the sheet 
> tension is the problems.
> Any thoughts
> 
> David
> MUDPUDDLE ( Whitby)
> 
>  
> 
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Stus-List Portlight Windows

[TAGraphics via CnC-List]

I read the article on PORTLIGHT REPLACEMENT  in the DIY project section and was 
wondering if anyone else attempted to replace these frameless recessed windows? 
Materials used?  Sources? Methods?
Thanks

Tom Alessi
ANDIAMO
1980 36' C&C

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