Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Yes, we are scheduled for a haul out and the Full Monte as Martin put it. It doesn't make sense to have spent a bunch of money on a transmission rebuild and not take it all the way, to insure we have smooth running gear all the way through. Could have been the root of the problem all along, the rear main seal on the tranny had been leaking for a while. Hopefully the shaft is in good shape. More later, Thanks for all the good advice, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Dora Pearl Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 3:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Wally Bryant Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Brad. Fix it. It will cost you more later, unless you plan to sell and have no soul. you wrote: snip My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Brad. Fix it. It will cost you more later, unless you plan to sell and have no soul. you wrote: snip My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Marek: Stu, the proprietor of Stu’s List, doesn’t own a CC any more. I guess since we let him stay, we can let you stay too… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I hope after this confession I won't be banned from this list ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
I like the idea of a good old fashioned keel hauling!! Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Josh Muckley via CnC-ListDate: Sun, Jun 7, 2015 08:42To: CC List;Cc: Josh Muckley;Subject:Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling questionI say, Burn him!!! He's not one of us!!!On Jun 7, 2015 9:04 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight, A full confession I had a CC 24, but three years ago we switched and bought the Catalina 270 (this is a newer version of the 27). My CC was 1975, this boat is 20 years younger; it is almost new (at 20-years of age). It has many things that especially my wife is happy about (open transom, twice as much room at the cockpit, real head (with door), stove, running water, inboard motor, wheel steering (no more hitting everyone's knees at the tack), no wood to varnish, not to mention that this is not a boat to put the rail in the water on the regular basis). We miss our CC 24 on occasion. It was (is) such nice little boat - a human size one. I miss its simplicity (there was hardly anything to maintain) and sturdiness (you can't kill it even with an axe). We had it for 7 years. The good thing is that the problems (challenges) are more or less the same, regardless of the boat one has. The inboard motor is diesel (Perkins, but 90% of the issues are the same between Perkins, Universal or Yanmar); the pedestal is Edson, the electrical system is more or less the same, the running water - the same, the head is Jabsco. The specifics are different, but all these boats are different, even if they are the same model. I hope after this confession I won't be banned from this list Marek 1994 Catalina C270, LegatoOttawa From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot via CnC-List Sent: June-07-15 07:29 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question MarekDid you change boats? thought you had a CC 24...is that a Catalina 27 you have now Dwight VeinotCC 35 MKII, AliannaHead of St. Margaret's Bay, nsd.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: June-06-15 12:43 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring (http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: June-05-15 14:48 To: 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent27-5Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Huh! I stand corrected. From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 6:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: June-06-15 12:43 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring (http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: June-05-15 14:48 To: 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
I say, Burn him!!! He's not one of us!!! On Jun 7, 2015 9:04 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight, A full confession I had a CC 24, but three years ago we switched and bought the Catalina 270 (this is a newer version of the 27). My CC was 1975, this boat is 20 years younger; it is almost new (at 20-years of age). It has many things that especially my wife is happy about (open transom, twice as much room at the cockpit, real head (with door), stove, running water, inboard motor, wheel steering (no more hitting everyone's knees at the tack), no wood to varnish, not to mention that this is not a boat to put the rail in the water on the regular basis). We miss our CC 24 on occasion. It was (is) such nice little boat - a human size one. I miss its simplicity (there was hardly anything to maintain) and sturdiness (you can't kill it even with an axe). We had it for 7 years. The good thing is that the problems (challenges) are more or less the same, regardless of the boat one has. The inboard motor is diesel (Perkins, but 90% of the issues are the same between Perkins, Universal or Yanmar); the pedestal is Edson, the electrical system is more or less the same, the running water - the same, the head is Jabsco. The specifics are different, but all these boats are different, even if they are the same model. I hope after this confession I won't be banned from this list Marek 1994 Catalina C270, Legato Ottawa *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot via CnC-List *Sent:* June-07-15 07:29 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* dwight veinot *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Marek Did you change boats? thought you had a CC 24...is that a Catalina 27 you have now Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fell via CnC-List *Sent:* June-06-15 12:43 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Peter Fell *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring ( http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Crawford via CnC-List *Sent:* June-05-15 14:48 *To:* 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad *From:* Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Marek Did you change boats? thought you had a CC 24...is that a Catalina 27 you have now Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fell via CnC-List *Sent:* June-06-15 12:43 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Peter Fell *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring ( http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Crawford via CnC-List *Sent:* June-05-15 14:48 *To:* 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad *From:* Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Marek, keep talkin here...I appreciate your informed comments on boats and boating, thanks...hope you have much happy sailing on your Catalina...sounds like your wife had some good thoughts Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight, A full confession I had a CC 24, but three years ago we switched and bought the Catalina 270 (this is a newer version of the 27). My CC was 1975, this boat is 20 years younger; it is almost new (at 20-years of age). It has many things that especially my wife is happy about (open transom, twice as much room at the cockpit, real head (with door), stove, running water, inboard motor, wheel steering (no more hitting everyone's knees at the tack), no wood to varnish, not to mention that this is not a boat to put the rail in the water on the regular basis). We miss our CC 24 on occasion. It was (is) such nice little boat - a human size one. I miss its simplicity (there was hardly anything to maintain) and sturdiness (you can't kill it even with an axe). We had it for 7 years. The good thing is that the problems (challenges) are more or less the same, regardless of the boat one has. The inboard motor is diesel (Perkins, but 90% of the issues are the same between Perkins, Universal or Yanmar); the pedestal is Edson, the electrical system is more or less the same, the running water - the same, the head is Jabsco. The specifics are different, but all these boats are different, even if they are the same model. I hope after this confession I won't be banned from this list Marek 1994 Catalina C270, Legato Ottawa *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot via CnC-List *Sent:* June-07-15 07:29 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* dwight veinot *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Marek Did you change boats? thought you had a CC 24...is that a Catalina 27 you have now Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fell via CnC-List *Sent:* June-06-15 12:43 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Peter Fell *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring ( http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Crawford via CnC-List *Sent:* June-05-15 14:48 *To:* 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad *From:* Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford
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I would thoroughly appreciate this until my last day (or the last day I have a boat (any boat). Does this count that I regularly say something nice about the CCs any time I have a chance? Marek Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE network. Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 2015-06-07 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Marek: Stu, the proprietor of Stu’s List, doesn’t own a CC any more. I guess since we let him stay, we can let you stay too… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I hope after this confession I won't be banned from this list ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring (http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: June-05-15 14:48 To: 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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running with a loose key in the coupler, or even bolts that lost their wire, can cause coupler or shaft wear and lead to expensive coupler replacement. Don't ask me how I know Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Lake St. Croix, Hudson WI and to be named 1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You can always put a retention ring ( http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brad Crawford via CnC-List *Sent:* June-05-15 14:48 *To:* 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad *From:* Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Brad Crawford *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Funny, but it works the other way around. PYI collar is $25 (their website) and similar collar from McMaster-Carr is $32 (both for 1 shaft). I am not surprised that they cost as much as this is a solid piece of 316 SS. Btw. I don't have any interest in the company (other than I have the shaft seal and the collar installed). Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: June-06-15 12:43 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Well looks like PSS finally listened to Compass Marine: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal The point being I expect the shaft collar he uses is orders of magnitude cheaper than the one PSS supplies. I would consider relying on zincs and retention rings and just the worn key ... to secure the shaft together to be a temporary measure only. You know it’s going to shear at the worst possible moment! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 7:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question You can always put a retention ring (http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: June-05-15 14:48 To: 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I had a loose pulley on my raw water pump. Ate the shaft and pulley up. At
the worst possible time.
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.
-- Original message--From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List Date: Fri, Jun 5,
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Propeller Shaft Coupling questionI recently had my transmission out for a
rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that
the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of
rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have
tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they
work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been
recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft
pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the
shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group
is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this
something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad CrawfordCnC
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Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
Brad, Losing a shaft is a pretty serious event. A 1 hole lets in a lot of water. If that happens and you don't react quickly and correctly you are risking the boat and all souls aboard. I would deal with that issue sooner than later. My 2 cents Burt CC 33 MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 2:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8 of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It's been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Brad, If you are planning on a typical PNW San Juan's and further north summer cruise you will be putting many hours on your auxiliary engine. (Summer in the San Juan's turns sailboats into slow power boats.) Performing the full shaft/coupling repair now would be a good idea. If you plan on a short motor out of the marina and then shutting down the mechanical propulsion you may be able to fit a larger woodruff key, larger set screws/bolts, and follow the other advice regarding placing a zinc forward of the shaft log in case the low budget repair fails. If the coupling remains loose on the shaft expect additional vibration and wear on both the shaft and coupling plus a clunk when shifting between forward and reverse. If you do go the full monte and pull the shaft, take a close look at your cutlass bearing as it would be easy to replace at the same time. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8 of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It's been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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at the very least, I would lock tight the set screws. Maybe use nail polish so they'll break loose easier later when you do need them to...? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Brent Driedger' bren...@highspeedcrow.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford bcrawf7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 11:47:40 -0700 Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8rdquo; of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. Itrsquo;s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Martin, What would be your suggestion, CSR, Canal, or Seaview for those repairs? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:50 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Brad, If you are planning on a typical PNW San Juan's and further north summer cruise you will be putting many hours on your auxiliary engine. (Summer in the San Juan's turns sailboats into slow power boats.) Performing the full shaft/coupling repair now would be a good idea. If you plan on a short motor out of the marina and then shutting down the mechanical propulsion you may be able to fit a larger woodruff key, larger set screws/bolts, and follow the other advice regarding placing a zinc forward of the shaft log in case the low budget repair fails. If the coupling remains loose on the shaft expect additional vibration and wear on both the shaft and coupling plus a clunk when shifting between forward and reverse. If you do go the full monte and pull the shaft, take a close look at your cutlass bearing as it would be easy to replace at the same time. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8 of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It's been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Brad, I have used both Seaview West (at the south end of Shilshole) and CSR multiple times and have been satisfied with the service and quality of work. I had Calypso delivered to CSR's South Lake Union yard when it was trucked out from Chicago. She spent 3 months there as we took care of significant deferred maintenance. Tim and his CSR crew did fine work and were very accommodating. The last 10+ years Calypso has been hauled at Seaview as I can see the travel lift from Calypso's slip making it easy to walk back to the truck after hauling the boat. My father-in-law hauls his classic wood power boat at the Canal Boatyard and speaks highly of it. From a casual observer's (= non bill paying) point of view the Canal Boatyard seemed fine, was set up for DIY, and would be a viable alternative but may have less on-site services. It is a short walk from Hale's brew pub and the big Ballard Fred Meyer store. There are a lot of commercial maritime vendors close by as much of the fishing fleet is moored in that area. With either boat yard it is important to have the work orders written and agreed to. Expect some cost inflation from various environmental and supply adders but both yards should have similar costs to meet the WA State clean water regulations. Hourly labor rates should be similar, the key being how many hours will be charged to the job. Both yards have a well-stocked store but the pricing is a bit steep compared to Fisheries Supply. Seaview's yard is a short walk from the Shilshole West Marine location. On the quality of work side, you will want to talk with the yard's specialist or independent contractor that will be pulling the shaft. In 2013 I had Calypso at Seaview to pull the rudder and shaft. My standard is the person performing the work needed to know more and have better tools than me. I have been working on boats at Seaview since 1977 so they expected and planned for some owner involvement. We negotiated on whether their people or the owner(s) were doing our own work. The key was to be clear on timing of the work's completion and how that fit in with lay days included in the yard's estimate. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Martin, What would be your suggestion, CSR, Canal, or Seaview for those repairs? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:50 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Brad, If you are planning on a typical PNW San Juan's and further north summer cruise you will be putting many hours on your auxiliary engine. (Summer in the San Juan's turns sailboats into slow power boats.) Performing the full shaft/coupling repair now would be a good idea. If you plan on a short motor out of the marina and then shutting down the mechanical propulsion you may be able to fit a larger woodruff key, larger set screws/bolts, and follow the other advice regarding placing a zinc forward of the shaft log in case the low budget repair fails. If the coupling remains loose on the shaft expect additional vibration and wear on both the shaft and coupling plus a clunk when shifting between forward and reverse. If you do go the full monte and pull the shaft, take a close look at your cutlass bearing as it would be easy to replace at the same time. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 11:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8 of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It's been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle
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I have yet to hear good things about Seaview (Martin was the first actually). But admittedly that's based on a small sample set. Patrick, Seaview has had some up and downs, good managers and less so. I have also heard of some billing/cost issues in the past. I too have heard complaints in the past. The current management seems to be running the yard professionally and making an effort to improve customer relations. My overall experience with Seaview has been fine but my misspent youth working on boats and cars left me with the skills to quickly throw the bullsh*t flag (much like a NFL yellow flag but brown in color) if the yard worker is getting off track. I check the hours and supplies billed to the Calypso account closely and negotiate who’s buying what on the bigger items. Seaview’s shop guys have been helpful, even loaned me tools from time to time so my view of customer service may be different than someone who needs to drop off a broken boat and come back a week later to pick it up and pay the bill (“No Cash, No Splash”). Back in the 70’s they would occasionally let repeat offends like me drive a fork lift if needed. That level of relaxed operation ended sometime in the 80’s. I did not know of the engine service inside of the Canal yard. They would likely be able to coordinate a shaft pull and new coupling install on site. My father-in-law is a satisfied customer who also moors inside the locks near Fisherman’s terminal. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Davin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 2:49 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Davin Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 113, Issue 18 At this time of year all yards in Seattle will be busy, so I would call all three, starting in this order: CSR, Canal, Seaview. I had mine hauled at Canal just today, for about a week of DIY work plus a bit of deck fiberglass repair by Pacific Fiberglass. CSR when I called them 3 weeks ago said they were booked out by 1 month (not sure what it is now). CSR doesn't allow DIY. Canal seemed fairly flexible about dates, I got the feeling they can squeeze people in as long as they have space in the yard and a few days to a week advanced notice. (looked like they still have a few empty spots today). They have Coastal Marine Engine there, which I assume does most of the aux work. I have yet to hear good things about Seaview (Martin was the first actually). But admittedly that's based on a small sample set. If you're outside the locks then that could be an advantage of Seaview for a small job, not having to deal with the hassle of the locks. Berthed at Fisherman's Terminal, Canal was super convenient for me. -Patrick CC 38 LF Seattle, WA -- Forwarded message -- From: Brad Crawford bcrawf7...@comcast.netmailto:bcrawf7...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 12:30:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Martin, What would be your suggestion, CSR, Canal, or Seaview for those repairs? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi Brad, Good to hear you have a zinc ahead of the strut but is it far enough ahead that you can push the shaft back to remove the shaft coupling half? Rotational play between shaft coupling is not as bad as excess clearance between the hub shaft. I would attempt a temporary repair and deal with it at the next haulout. Best case scenario is all you need is a new key, they do get worn quite a bit with lost motion (it takes quite a hit every gear shift). Get them apart and measure along the keyway on both pieces to determine wear pattern. If you find either keyway shows wear you have two options, 1) make a stepped key that matches each slot (keyway) size; 2) fit a tiny shim with the key in the worn slot. A stepped key is not difficult to make by hand, I've done a few for industrial pump situations, but it can be tedious. A shim for this is going to be like working on a miniature train set. But you might get lucky and find something that just fits. For either temp repair I suggest Loctite between coupling half shaft (and set screws as Danny mentioned) for re-assembly. Get the hub, with key laid in, started onto the shaft by 25%, then smear Loctite on loading area and get the coupling half into proper position and tighten immedately. Whoa, I didn't even finish that last sentence and heard the shouting. Chill man, it's not 5200. This is from Loctite info: Here it is from the horses mouth. The Loctite corp.. Q: How can I remove a fastener that is permanently locked in? A: The application of heat is needed to remove a fastener that can't be removed with a hand tool. Temperatures of 325F and above is needed to break down a standard anaerobic, 500F for high temperature Anaerobics. A heat gun or propane torch is commonly used to do this process, and careful disassembly should occur while parts are still hot. Once apart, and cooled, use methylene chloride (Chisel #79040) to remove cured excess material. Always wipe down the fasteners with clean up solvent to remove the wax film that Chisel leaves on the surface. For the permanent repair the only new thing you'll need is a key. A machine shop will true the offending keyway and possibly match it to the other keyway if it's off a bit too or just true the one and make a custom (stepped) key to use. If it's the stepped key options then make sure you get a couple of spares and the dimensions. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 Vancouver Island At 11:16 AM 05/06/2015, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_005F_01D09F81.10182600 Content-Language: en-us I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8 of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It's been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Could the worn keyway be related to the need for the transmission rebuild? I have gone through two transmission rebuilds in the 30 years I've owned my boat. I've never encountered a loose keyway though. If there is any chance of losing your shaft, I would fix it ASAP and I wouldn't rely on a zinc to keep your shaft in place unless you don't use the boat while you are counting on it. Just my $0.02... Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Brad, Good to hear you have a zinc ahead of the strut but is it far enough ahead that you can push the shaft back to remove the shaft coupling half? Rotational play between shaft coupling is not as bad as excess clearance between the hub shaft. I would attempt a temporary repair and deal with it at the next haulout. Best case scenario is all you need is a new key, they do get worn quite a bit with lost motion (it takes quite a hit every gear shift). Get them apart and measure along the keyway on both pieces to determine wear pattern. If you find either keyway shows wear you have two options, 1) make a stepped key that matches each slot (keyway) size; 2) fit a tiny shim with the key in the worn slot. A stepped key is not difficult to make by hand, I've done a few for industrial pump situations, but it can be tedious. A shim for this is going to be like working on a miniature train set. But you might get lucky and find something that just fits. For either temp repair I suggest Loctite between coupling half shaft (and set screws as Danny mentioned) for re-assembly. Get the hub, with key laid in, started onto the shaft by 25%, then smear Loctite on loading area and get the coupling half into proper position and tighten immedately. Whoa, I didn't even finish that last sentence and heard the shouting. Chill man, it's not 5200. This is from Loctite info: Here it is from the horses mouth. The Loctite corp.. Q: How can I remove a fastener that is permanently locked in? A: The application of heat is needed to remove a fastener that can't be removed with a hand tool. Temperatures of 325F and above is needed to break down a standard anaerobic, 500F for high temperature Anaerobics. A heat gun or propane torch is commonly used to do this process, and careful disassembly should occur while parts are still hot. Once apart, and cooled, use methylene chloride (Chisel #79040) to remove cured excess material. Always wipe down the fasteners with clean up solvent to remove the wax film that Chisel leaves on the surface. For the permanent repair the only new thing you'll need is a key. A machine shop will true the offending keyway and possibly match it to the other keyway if it's off a bit too or just true the one and make a custom (stepped) key to use. If it's the stepped key options then make sure you get a couple of spares and the dimensions. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 Vancouver Island At 11:16 AM 05/06/2015, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_005F_01D09F81.10182600 Content-Language: en-us I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question
You can always put a retention ring (http://www.pyiinc.com/index.php?section=src ) on the inside (between the coupling and the packing gland). Much better than the zinc. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brad Crawford via CnC-List Sent: June-05-15 14:48 To: 'Brent Driedger'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question Yes I have the same feelings. I also have zincs on the shaft in front of the strut, I guess it eases the feeling of losing the shaft, provided the zinc stays put? Thanks, Brad From: Brent Driedger [mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca] Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 11:35 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Brad Crawford Subject: Re: Stus-List Propeller Shaft Coupling question I have been dealing with exactly that issue since I bought my boat 7 years ago. It hasn't been an issue and as a backup I have a zinc anode on the shaft about 3/8 from the packing nut just in case it lets loose. I'm sure the keyway is wearing out as a result but I haven't noticed any increase in play. It's just on my mind as one of those not quite right things Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Brad Crawford via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently had my transmission out for a rebuild and upon putting it back in and the boat back together discovered that the propeller shaft coupling is a little loose on the shaft, maybe 1/8” of rotational movement on the shaft, like possibly the keyway is worn?. Have tried tightening the set screws, which secures the coupling but eventually they work loose and again there is movement of the coupling on the shaft. It’s been recommended that I have the boat hauled, the coupling removed, the shaft pulled out and provided the shaft is ok, a new coupling fitted and faced to the shaft, and then reinstalled for a final alignment. My question to the group is has anyone else been running around with a loose coupling and is this something I should be immediately concerned about? Thanks, Brad Crawford CnC 36 Seattle ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
