Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Steve,
There are several reasons to go to an all rope halyard for a cruising boat:
1.  While wire does indeed have low stretch, 1/2 of the rope will still be made 
from all polyester.  In a 45' mast, with a potential 3% elongation at 30% load, 
that still translates to nearly 1.5' of stretch.  Not insignificant.  Most high 
modulus ropes stretch around .4% which is far more manageable.  
2. A wire halyard fixed in place on a sheave over a long period of time will 
exhibit wear and eventually part on the outer radius where it goes around the 
sheave.  While most stainless wire won't show excessive external corrosion, 
stainless isn't corrosion free (check your lifelines sometime to confirm).  
When wire wears or frays, it gets nasty meathooks that will wear down sheaves 
(usually aluminum) and can shred bare skin like a razor blade
3.  Wire is heavy.  High modulus rope is light and even in some cases buoyant.  
Most folks don't think about adding weight to a cruising boat, but weight aloft 
makes for more heel and less stability.  As you move away from the center of 
gravity of a sailing vessel, the weight of an object gets amplified by the 
distance from the CG.  Which is why you always need to compensate with a deeper 
or heavier keel if you increase your mast height.  Adding weight aloft makes 
more of a difference than one would think.
4. Sail shape is important whether you race or cruise.  I'll support the 
rope/wire halyard logic if you still have the old dacron sails that your boat 
came with.  Pillow case shaped sails can be adjusted with virtually any type of 
ropes or wires.  But if you've made the investment to upgrade your sails to 
something that has some shape for upwind performance, keeping the sails 
properly trimmed will make the best of your investment.  Old wire halyards 
grinding on 35 year old worn wire sheaves aren't going to be likely to turn 
easily under loads, which mean your "set it and forget it" jib will have far 
too little tension in a blow OR way too tight in light airs.  
5.  Old rope/wire halyards are likely worn elsewhere beyond the masthead.  
Anywhere you can find flat spots, broken fibers on the cover or lumps inside 
the rope means that overall strength of the rope is compromised.  Some folks 
will end for end a rope halyard which extends the life of a rope by changing 
out the wear segments (rope clutch for example) to a new section on the line.  
You can't do that with halyards made with wire.
6.  Technology improvements.  Lighter, stronger, better handling, less hassle 
(let me know how much fun it was doing a wire to rope splice).  Even though I 
can listen to AM radio in my car, I prefer the better sound quality of FM or 
digital music sources that can connect via Bluetooth devices.  Yes, the sound 
system probably added to the price of the vehicle, but it was worth it.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic 
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram, MA

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation up 
at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service. 

Steve Thomas

C
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

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Cc: Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via 

Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Steve, you make a reasonable point.  If someone is changing their halyards
just to change them then it makes little or no sense.  If the halyard needs
replaced, then replacing with all rope is easier and possibly cheaper.  You
can do it without special splices and It also allows freshening the nib at
the shackle or doing an end for end swap.  As rope ages and where's out it
won't get fish hooks and it won't eat metal components like sheaves and
exit boxes.

The advantages of wire-rope halyards were always limited to low stretch and
reduced weight aloft.  Those advantages have been more or less eliminated
by modern day fiber technology.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, May 15, 2018, 12:15 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with
> roller furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV
> degradation up at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of
> service.
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C
> Merritt Island, FL
>
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C All have rope –
> all have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.
>
> Don’t see a problem.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Joe Della
> Barba via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once
> a year?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net  gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
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> Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
> switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
> rope you want to use.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
>
> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
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> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com  neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Or a boat that races with RF credit.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation 
up at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service.


Steve Thomas

C
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.


Don’t see a problem.



Gary



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via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?




Coquina



Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

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Nylander via CnC-List

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Cc: Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.

Gary

30-1



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Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the 
rope you want to use.




Joel



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:


My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because 
the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.


Is this wrong?



Coquina

C 35 MK I



Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



Bruce,



First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.



Neil

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation up 
at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service. 

Steve Thomas

C
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
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Cc: Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net <mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

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<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
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Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
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cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com 
<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Joe,

The sheaves are designed for both.  I transitioned to all rope and have never 
looked back.

Neil
1982 C FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:47:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
Is this wrong?

Coquina
C 35 MK I

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
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Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

Bruce,

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

Neil
1982 C
Rock Hall, MD
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
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Cc: Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net <mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

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Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

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Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com 
<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

IMO Absolutely.  But even more argument for low stretch and low slip... ie
"high tech/high performance".

Josh

On Tue, May 15, 2018, 10:12 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once
> a year?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
> switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
> rope you want to use.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com 
<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com 
<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Many of the wire-rope sheeves are a v-groove.  While not perfect the
v-groove is designed to accommodate both wire and rope.  They can "box" the
rope over time but won't cause significant degradation or wear.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 15, 2018, 8:47 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
rope you want to use.

Joel

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because
the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Bruce,

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

Neil
1982 C
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of John Conklin via 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:02:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I have the wire to rope sheaves on my  main and spin halyard 1982 C 37
Alsoa rookie here and no idea on size or material for my
Topping lift, Genoa sheets, spin halyard
Lack of use by previous owner have most of them firm swollen and stiff and 
green !:( lol
Would like to change out genoa sheets,  spin halyard (wire to rope) mainsheet, 
and traveler to start.
Will race her a little but plans are ( for now) to only have this beauty for a 
few years so dont want to go too crazy
Thanks all!!

John
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination 
> halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and 
> polyester has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye 
> splices either. Also relatively low cost.
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C
> Merritt Island, FL
>
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
> Sta-Set X.
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
> old...
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> Thanks!
>  Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I have the wire to rope sheaves on my  main and spin halyard 1982 C 37
Alsoa rookie here and no idea on size or material for my
Topping lift, Genoa sheets, spin halyard 
Lack of use by previous owner have most of them firm swollen and stiff and 
green !:( lol 
Would like to change out genoa sheets,  spin halyard (wire to rope) mainsheet, 
and traveler to start. 
Will race her a little but plans are ( for now) to only have this beauty for a 
few years so dont want to go too crazy
Thanks all!!

John
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination 
> halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and 
> polyester has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye 
> splices either. Also relatively low cost. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> C
> Merritt Island, FL
> 
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
>  Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Hello all,
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
> Sta-Set X.
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
> 
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
> old...
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
> 
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> Thanks!  
>  Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[David Morrison via CnC-List]

I had the good fortune to meet Chuck at Defenders big Spring sale last month.  He graciously spent more than thirty minutes helping me procure the proper line and splicing services for my needs.  He was detailed in his explanations of the different offerings while never steering me to his product specifically.  To the contrary we were digging in the remnant barrel for a while.I really appreciated his professional help and look forward to seeing him again next year as the updating needs of the running rigging on my C will keep me busy for a few seasons.Thanks again Chuck!--DaveTerrapin Flyer1980 C 40


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
From: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, May 14, 2018 7:09 pm
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Thanks for the plug, but I would suggest supporting a LOCAL business so you’ll have a source for various pieces and parts in the future.  I think most reputable rope makers have products for most running rigging applications and even though I work for a rope maker, I have several lines on my boat made by a competitor.  Or as some suggest, you want a particular color pattern, not every company markets solid color ropes.  Novabraid, as a manufacturing company doesn’t sell direct to end users but has retail outfitters in Canada, USA, and in several other countries.  If anyone needs info on our products specific to C, don’t hesitate to email me, even if I don’t make what you’re looking for or if your local shop wants to buy just a cut length to make some sheets or a halyard for you. We have options for that.Again, I appreciate the positive feedback from the list  but I want to make it clear that my goal in entering into rope discussions is to educate but not to sway you to buying any particular brand.  Every rope sales rep I’ve worked with are really good guys and do a great job representing their company.  And we pretty much all complete against each other around the buoys.Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic1983 35 Landfall Padanaram MASent from my iPhone



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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I like NER Endure braid 10mm/3/8" for my 36. Rated for 11,000 lbs, nice hand 
and works in my clutches fine. 


My guess is that a VPC that works in your clutches would be overkill in 
addition to bring expensive.


Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb Water Phantom
Greenville, NC


cenel...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
Sent: Mon, May 14, 2018 8:48 am
Subject: Stus-List Time for new halyard...  Recommendations?



Hello all,


We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core is 
showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
Sta-Set X.


We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean I 
want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  



On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, and 
didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the clutches 
as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is old...


I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.



What do you recommend for halyards and why?


Thanks!  

 
Bruce Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL 34677

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Thanks for the plug, but I would suggest supporting a LOCAL business so you’ll 
have a source for various pieces and parts in the future.  I think most 
reputable rope makers have products for most running rigging applications and 
even though I work for a rope maker, I have several lines on my boat made by a 
competitor.  Or as some suggest, you want a particular color pattern, not every 
company markets solid color ropes.  
Novabraid, as a manufacturing company doesn’t sell direct to end users but has 
retail outfitters in Canada, USA, and in several other countries.  If anyone 
needs info on our products specific to C, don’t hesitate to email me, even 
if I don’t make what you’re looking for or if your local shop wants to buy just 
a cut length to make some sheets or a halyard for you. We have options for that.
Again, I appreciate the positive feedback from the list  but I want to make it 
clear that my goal in entering into rope discussions is to educate but not to 
sway you to buying any particular brand.  Every rope sales rep I’ve worked with 
are really good guys and do a great job representing their company.  And we 
pretty much all complete against each other around the buoys.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 1:25 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Not for nuthin' but perhaps we support our brethren.  Let Chuck make a 
> recommendation and buy from him...
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
> CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:45:46 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Josh Muckley
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>  
> Based on the link below I've enjoyed Yale Crystalline and Sampson Walpspeed 
> for halyards.  When I replaced my reef lines and outhauls I used a similar 
> ideology but was selecting based on color scheme more specifically than price 
> or performance and used Endura, V-100, and VPC.  I have found all 5 lines to 
> be capable of a core ro core eye splice with a buried jacket tail.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ
> 
> I've chimed in before about eye splices near the masthead sheaves.  IMO It 
> fattens the line too much and can cause jamming. Instead I use a Double 
> Overhand on Itself.
> 
> http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/46/doitie.html
> 
> As for color schemes, consider this quote I found in online.
> 
> "I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always 
> green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and 
> sheets, outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this convention, 
> crews are able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be re-educated.)"
> 
> I have found Crystalline to be one of the few solid color lines with great 
> price to performance characteristics so it is on as all my halyards right 
> now. Red for spin, blue for head, and green for main.
> 
> I suppose you are going to ask about size.  3/8ths for halyards gives 
> 11,000lbs strength.  The crystalline jacket is slippery but clutches work 
> fines and whiches are fine except for the self tailer working loose.  5/16ths 
> for the outhaul and reef lines.  This better accommodated the 3:1 and 5:1 
> purchase systems in the boom and was slightly cheaper.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 7:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
>> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
>> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
>> Sta-Set X.
>> 
>> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
>> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
>> 
>> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
>> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
>> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
>> old...
>> 
>> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>> 
>> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>> 
>> Thanks!  
>>  
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> ___
>>

Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[David via CnC-List]

Not for nuthin' but perhaps we support our brethren.  Let Chuck make a 
recommendation and buy from him...

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From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:45:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

Based on the link below I've enjoyed Yale Crystalline and Sampson Walpspeed for 
halyards.  When I replaced my reef lines and outhauls I used a similar ideology 
but was selecting based on color scheme more specifically than price or 
performance and used Endura, V-100, and VPC.  I have found all 5 lines to be 
capable of a core ro core eye splice with a buried jacket tail.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ

I've chimed in before about eye splices near the masthead sheaves.  IMO It 
fattens the line too much and can cause jamming. Instead I use a Double 
Overhand on Itself.

http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/46/doitie.html

As for color schemes, consider this quote I found in online.

"I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always 
green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and sheets, 
outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this convention, crews are 
able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be re-educated.)"

I have found Crystalline to be one of the few solid color lines with great 
price to performance characteristics so it is on as all my halyards right now. 
Red for spin, blue for head, and green for main.

I suppose you are going to ask about size.  3/8ths for halyards gives 11,000lbs 
strength.  The crystalline jacket is slippery but clutches work fines and 
whiches are fine except for the self tailer working loose.  5/16ths for the 
outhaul and reef lines.  This better accommodated the 3:1 and 5:1 purchase 
systems in the boom and was slightly cheaper.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD





On Mon, May 14, 2018, 7:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core is 
showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
Sta-Set X.

We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean I 
want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.

On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, and 
didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the clutches 
as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is old...

I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.

What do you recommend for halyards and why?

Thanks!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL 34677
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Based on the link below I've enjoyed Yale Crystalline and Sampson Walpspeed
for halyards.  When I replaced my reef lines and outhauls I used a similar
ideology but was selecting based on color scheme more specifically than
price or performance and used Endura, V-100, and VPC.  I have found all 5
lines to be capable of a core ro core eye splice with a buried jacket tail.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ySGpOTUdGRW9xdzQ

I've chimed in before about eye splices near the masthead sheaves.  IMO It
fattens the line too much and can cause jamming. Instead I use a Double
Overhand on Itself.

http://caves.org/section/vertical/nh/46/doitie.html

As for color schemes, consider this quote I found in online.

"I was taught (by an English race crew) that Mainsail controls are always
green, jib sails blue and spinnakers red. Halyards are solid colors and
sheets, outhauls etc. flecked or with tracers. (By following this
convention, crews are able to move from boat-to-boat without having to be
re-educated.)"

I have found Crystalline to be one of the few solid color lines with great
price to performance characteristics so it is on as all my halyards right
now. Red for spin, blue for head, and green for main.

I suppose you are going to ask about size.  3/8ths for halyards gives
11,000lbs strength.  The crystalline jacket is slippery but clutches work
fines and whiches are fine except for the self tailer working loose.
 5/16ths for the outhaul and reef lines.  This better accommodated the 3:1
and 5:1 purchase systems in the boom and was slightly cheaper.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD





On Mon, May 14, 2018, 7:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the
> core is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current
> halyards are Sta-Set X.
>
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
> mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
> so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
> the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
> line is old...
>
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination 
halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and polyester 
has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye splices either. 
Also relatively low cost. 

Steve Thomas

C
Merritt Island, FL

C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hello all,
We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core is 
showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
Sta-Set X.
We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean I 
want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  

On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, and 
didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the clutches 
as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is old...
I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.

What do you recommend for halyards and why?
Thanks!  
 Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Cajun is Novabraid.  XLE has roughly the same performance as StaSet (not StaSet 
X).
Polyester doublebraids..
Chuck Gilchrest 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Cajun is NovaBraid.  Chuck?
> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> I know a number of folks have recommended Cajun Ropes, but I don't know 
>> their line manufacturer/specs.
>> 
>> What are folks thoughts about them?
>> 
>> Thanks! 
>>  
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>> 
>> VPC is a compromise between stretch and price.  It is stiff, but not as 
>> stiff as X.  I used it on my 35, and we had to use the cunningham after the 
>> sail loaded up.  For my 44, I bought Endura on sale, went down a size (3/8) 
>> and am very happy with it.
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:34 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Samson braid. I like it 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
>> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
>> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
>> Sta-Set X.
>> 
>> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
>> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
>> 
>> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
>> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
>> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
>> old...
>> 
>> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>> 
>> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>> 
>> Thanks!  
>>  
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> __ _
>> 
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>> -- 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 301 541 8551
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> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Splice_Instructions.aspx


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dumb question, what is a “class 2 core to core splice”?   Can you provide
> a link on how to do one?
>
> Neil
> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Chuck
> Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 10:40:02 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
> Full disclosure, I work for a Canadian rope company called Novabraid.
> You’re on the right track with a “hybrid” or mid tech line for low stretch
> at a reasonable cost.  New England’s VPC product is great for halyards as
> is Samson MLX and Novabraid Argus.  All will require a class 2 core to core
> splice at the top shackle.  I’ve found VPC and Argus to hold best in
> clutches due to a somewhat more robust cover than MLX. StaSet X always
> seemed very stiff to me but it is a step or two cheaper by the foot.  While
> you don’t race, having a few less pounds at the mast isn’t a bad thing when
> trying to keep the boat from heeling excessively and 100% polyester lines
> are heavy in comparison.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the
> core is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current
> halyards are Sta-Set X.
>
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
> mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
> so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
> the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
> line is old...
>
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Dumb question, what is a “class 2 core to core splice”?   Can you provide a 
link on how to do one?

Neil
1982 C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Chuck Gilchrest via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:40:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

Full disclosure, I work for a Canadian rope company called Novabraid.  You’re 
on the right track with a “hybrid” or mid tech line for low stretch at a 
reasonable cost.  New England’s VPC product is great for halyards as is Samson 
MLX and Novabraid Argus.  All will require a class 2 core to core splice at the 
top shackle.  I’ve found VPC and Argus to hold best in clutches due to a 
somewhat more robust cover than MLX. StaSet X always seemed very stiff to me 
but it is a step or two cheaper by the foot.  While you don’t race, having a 
few less pounds at the mast isn’t a bad thing when trying to keep the boat from 
heeling excessively and 100% polyester lines are heavy in comparison.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core is 
showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
Sta-Set X.

We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean I 
want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.

On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, and 
didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the clutches 
as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is old...

I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.

What do you recommend for halyards and why?

Thanks!

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL 34677
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Cajun is NovaBraid.  Chuck?

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know a number of folks have recommended Cajun Ropes, but I don't know
> their line manufacturer/specs.
>
> What are folks thoughts about them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To:* cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 9:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
> VPC is a compromise between stretch and price.  It is stiff, but not as
> stiff as X.  I used it on my 35, and we had to use the cunningham after the
> sail loaded up.  For my 44, I bought Endura on sale, went down a size (3/8)
> and am very happy with it.
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:34 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Samson braid. I like it
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the
> core is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current
> halyards are Sta-Set X.
>
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
> mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
> so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
> the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
> line is old...
>
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Bruce,  

 

Cannot help with Cajun as never used their lines.  

 

Annapolis Performance Sailing has an informative website which might be helpful 
to compare various rope types by application, materials and construction.  

 

http://www.apsltd.com/line/sailboat-halyard-line-rope.html 

 

Might be worth a look to find trade offs between stretch, weight, hand, and of 
course $$.  If you have self tailing winches, be sure you do not downsize line 
diameter too much that the self tailer jaws no longer hold the line.  Did that 
on 1 halyard and it is a PITA to hoist a sail.  

 

APS does have a rigging sale in January which is when I try to replace any worn 
line.  Others have mention West Marine having a 1 day line sale every once in a 
while, typically 40% off  - but the last one I saw was before WM started their 
price matching program so they may not have any more of those 1 day sales…

 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruce Whitmore <bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I know a number of folks have recommended Cajun Ropes, but I don't know their 
line manufacturer/specs.

 

What are folks thoughts about them?

 

Thanks! 

 

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> 

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Full disclosure, I work for a Canadian rope company called Novabraid.  You’re 
on the right track with a “hybrid” or mid tech line for low stretch at a 
reasonable cost.  New England’s VPC product is great for halyards as is Samson 
MLX and Novabraid Argus.  All will require a class 2 core to core splice at the 
top shackle.  I’ve found VPC and Argus to hold best in clutches due to a 
somewhat more robust cover than MLX. StaSet X always seemed very stiff to me 
but it is a step or two cheaper by the foot.  While you don’t race, having a 
few less pounds at the mast isn’t a bad thing when trying to keep the boat from 
heeling excessively and 100% polyester lines are heavy in comparison.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic 
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram, MA

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> On May 14, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
> Sta-Set X.
> 
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
> 
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
> old...
> 
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
> 
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> 
> Thanks!  
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I know a number of folks have recommended Cajun Ropes, but I don't know their 
line manufacturer/specs.
What are folks thoughts about them?
Thanks! 
 Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
   
VPC is a compromise between stretch and price.  It is stiff, but not as stiff 
as X.  I used it on my 35, and we had to use the cunningham after the sail 
loaded up.  For my 44, I bought Endura on sale, went down a size (3/8) and am 
very happy with it.
Joel
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:34 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Samson braid. I like it 
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hello all,
We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core is 
showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
Sta-Set X.
We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean I 
want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  

On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, and 
didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the clutches 
as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is old...
I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.

What do you recommend for halyards and why?
Thanks!  
 Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

VPC is a compromise between stretch and price.  It is stiff, but not as
stiff as X.  I used it on my 35, and we had to use the cunningham after the
sail loaded up.  For my 44, I bought Endura on sale, went down a size (3/8)
and am very happy with it.

Joel

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:34 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Samson braid. I like it
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
>> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the
>> core is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current
>> halyards are Sta-Set X.
>>
>> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
>> mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>>
>> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
>> so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
>> the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
>> line is old...
>>
>> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>>
>> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Samson braid. I like it

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:48 AM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We have a 1994 C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the
> core is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current
> halyards are Sta-Set X.
>
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
> mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
> so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
> the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
> line is old...
>
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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