Stus-List butyl tape supplier

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Anyone know where to order Bed-It butyl tape?  Everything I tried was deadend.  
Please share a working link.

Chuck S

Stus-List Butyl Tape tips

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Joel

I have to say I have never had a problem with butyl...my 1984 C&C 
deck/hull is sealed with butyl and still no leaks...I have rebeaded 
various deck fittings with butyl with no leaks.  For the obvious easy 
rebeading and removal, if necessary, , I wouldn't use anything else.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C32 -#277
Halifax, N.S

On Aug 9, 2021, at 8:29 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I’m surprised for butyl tape don’t know if it really stop leak
I had that all over my boat and I had to redo my deck
Hopefully 4200 will go a long way


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Stus-List Butyl Tape tips

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey guys,
FWIW,  I just rebed my chainplates and some deck hardware using Bed-It Butyl 
Tape and the link below provided some tips that really helped and I thought I'd 
share. 

https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Ordered thanks !!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 23, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
wrote:

 John, links there. Second one, not first..,,

Sent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Found it bought it
Replacing few barients with self tailing so that’s first application
Good?

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 23, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:


https://shop.marinehowto.com/t/bed-it-tape

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:23 John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Don’t see the bed it on Amazon
Few other Colormetrics -GSSI
Link please.

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 22, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

 This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on 
Amazon
 (of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end 
into the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start 
removing the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little 
bits and pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not 
see any evidence of caulk.

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link.  Read his butyl tape posts and you’ll 
be convinced.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you.

I am 100% sold on butyl.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+



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[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

John, links there. Second one, not first..,,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 11:00 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Found it bought it 
> Replacing few barients with self tailing so that’s first application
> Good?
> 
> John Conklin 
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> https://shop.marinehowto.com/t/bed-it-tape
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:23 John Conklin via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Don’t see the bed it on Amazon 
>>> Few other Colormetrics -GSSI
>>> Link please.
>>> 
>>> John Conklin 
>>> S/V Halcyon
>>> S/V Heartbeat
>>> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 22, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
  This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under 
 the hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon (of course…). 
 Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into the 
 caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start removing 
 the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little bits 
 and pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not 
 see any evidence of caulk.
 
 And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape 
 which I source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), 
 “How To Marine.”  Link.  Read his butyl tape posts and you’ll be convinced.
 
 Regards,
 Dave Godwin
 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
 Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
 Ronin’s Overdue Refit
 
> On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
> observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the 
> same properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much 
> quicker than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that 
> roll will last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of 
> you. 
> 
> I am 100% sold on butyl.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore 
> 1994 C&C 37/40+
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
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[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Found it bought it
Replacing few barients with self tailing so that’s first application
Good?

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 23, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:


https://shop.marinehowto.com/t/bed-it-tape

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:23 John Conklin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Don’t see the bed it on Amazon
Few other Colormetrics -GSSI
Link please.

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 22, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

 This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on 
Amazon
 (of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end 
into the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start 
removing the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little 
bits and pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not 
see any evidence of caulk.

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link.  Read his butyl tape posts and you’ll 
be convinced.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you.

I am 100% sold on butyl.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+



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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

https://shop.marinehowto.com/t/bed-it-tape

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:23 John Conklin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Don’t see the bed it on Amazon
> Few other Colormetrics -GSSI
> Link please.
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
> On May 22, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under
> the hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon
>  
> (of
> course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into
> the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start
> removing the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the
> little bits and pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and
> you will not see any evidence of caulk.
>
> And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape
> which I source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…),
> “How To Marine.”  Link .  Read his butyl tape
> posts and you’ll be convinced.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more
> observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same
> properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker
> than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will
> last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you.
>
> I am 100% sold on butyl.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Don’t see the bed it on Amazon
Few other Colormetrics -GSSI
Link please.

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On May 22, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
wrote:

 This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on 
Amazon
 (of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end 
into the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start 
removing the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little 
bits and pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not 
see any evidence of caulk.

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link.  Read his butyl tape posts and you’ll 
be convinced.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you.

I am 100% sold on butyl.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+



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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Clean the excess off its easy to do

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:23 AM Bailey White via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve learned about butyl tape from my C&C and have been happy with its
> waterproofing, but I have an issue with butyl where I would welcome
> advice.
>
> I tend to try to be very careful with waterproofing any deck penetrations
> and end up with a bit of butyl tape exposed around the edges of the
> hardware, handrail, etc where it meets the deck.  Someone eventually sits
> on or near the hardware and manages to get a bit of tape on his or more
> likely, her, clothes.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Bailey White
> C&C 36
> Lake Lanier
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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

When I removed the Genoa Tracks on my 39, they had been bedded in Silicone. 
Never leaked. Put the new Harken Tracks down with Butyl, never leaked, but the 
heat would make the butyl weep out, which requires cleaning occasionally.

My Dorade boxes were originally bedded with silicone, and they were stuck as 
aggressively as 5200. That would have been 1973.  Interestingly, the teak bungs 
were also set in silicone.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cscheaffer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cscheaffer
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

An observation: For the hardware re-bedding I used new stainless steel hardware 
for everything except some of the larger and fewer number of bolts, i.e., 
primary and secondary winches and the bow stem head fitting. Since they were 
encapsulated with old butyl I simply immersed them in a container of mineral 
spirits. This pretty much dissolved all traces of the butyl. A quick flick with 
a small wire brush and they were like new.

That said, there is the containment/time factor involved so probably not a very 
suitable method for what you encountered.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI, the butyl under my deck fills that I just removed was thin, hard as a 
> rock, and embedded into the non-skid.  I tried removing with acetone, but 
> progress was very slow.  I then used a pick to scrape the butyl out of the 
> non-skid nooks and crannies, which worked but is tedious.  I finished with a 
> little acetone and one of those small wire brushes that look like a big 
> toothbrush.  Good as new.
>  

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[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, the butyl under my deck fills that I just removed was thin, hard as a 
rock, and embedded into the non-skid.  I tried removing with acetone, but 
progress was very slow.  I then used a pick to scrape the butyl out of the 
non-skid nooks and crannies, which worked but is tedious.  I finished with a 
little acetone and one of those small wire brushes that look like a big 
toothbrush.  Good as new.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:23 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Dave Godwin ; bwhitmore 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon 
<https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Silicone-Caulking-corners-joints/dp/B003N3KQ6E>  
(of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into 
the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start removing 
the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little bits and 
pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not see any 
evidence of caulk.

 

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link <https://marinehowto.com> .  Read his butyl tape posts and 
you’ll be convinced.

 

Regards,

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> 





On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. 

 

I am 100% sold on butyl.

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C&C 37/40+

 

 

 

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[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

By the way, I just removed two deck fills (which was not easy) which were 
bedded with butyl tape almost 45 years ago.  The balsa core was dry as a bone.  
Remarkable.

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

Butyl tape was used by the factory on my boat in almost all junctions.

 

Bob

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> 





On May 21, 2020, at 11:46 PM, cscheaffer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?

 

 

 

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agreed.  Not so subtle difference, 5200 is an adhesive, NOT a sealant.

I use 5200 to glue things PERMANENTLY to boats.  For instance, gluing a
block of teak to fiberglass so I can screw something to it.

 Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> Do not use 5200 on anything you don't want to be permanent.
>
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[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Butyl tape was used by the factory on my boat in almost all junctions.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On May 21, 2020, at 11:46 PM, cscheaffer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  
> Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
> 
> 
> 
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

LOL.  I actually thought about that as I was drafting the post.  The boat
owner's decision of what flexes and what doesn't may be more difficult than
the decision of which sealant to use.  :)

Hardware fittings under intermittent compression/tension loading (chain
plates, deck mounted halyard turning blocks) are more likely to flex than
fittings under shear loads (rope clutches, winches).

Overboring and epoxy filling the deck penetrations for hardware under
compression/tension loading somewhat reduces the potential for flexing.
The thickened epoxy "plug" shouldn't compress but the deck adjacent might
still compress.

Also, the type of material should be considered.  For instance, I don't
think 4200, a polyurethane, sticks that well to metal hardware.  Sealing
metal hardware is better with a polysulfide sealant.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:33 AM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis, that made me laugh. In a good way of course. ;-)
>
> There probably isn’t a section of deck on my boat that doesn’t flex. I’ll
> send you a recent picture of me using a hydraulic jack to raise the deck by
> the galley sink and the nav station so that I could re-install the two S.S.
> poles that tie the deck to internal cabinetry. And don’t get me started on
> the three T-shaped tangs for the forward cabin and main bulkheads.
>
> I could on about the fact that the v-berth door hasn’t closed in 25
> years...
>
> Cheers!
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On May 22, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use
> butyl.  If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates
> with butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.
>
> Bed-It butyl is the best.
>
> I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.
> I much prefer LifeSeal.
>
> For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID-
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Dennis, that made me laugh. In a good way of course. ;-)

There probably isn’t a section of deck on my boat that doesn’t flex. I’ll send 
you a recent picture of me using a hydraulic jack to raise the deck by the 
galley sink and the nav station so that I could re-install the two S.S. poles 
that tie the deck to internal cabinetry. And don’t get me started on the three 
T-shaped tangs for the forward cabin and main bulkheads.

I could on about the fact that the v-berth door hasn’t closed in 25 years...

Cheers!
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use butyl.  
> If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates with 
> butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.
> 
> Bed-It butyl is the best.
> 
> I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.  I 
> much prefer LifeSeal.
> 
> For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID- 
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

This is for Bailey White’s question about removing excess butyl under the 
hardware. I use this Smart Caulk tool found on Amazon 
 
(of course…). Use the black handle caulk remove by slipping the hooked end into 
the caulk and working it around. Here’s the best part. As you start removing 
the butyl, let it form a ball and use that ball to “dab” the little bits and 
pieces that may remain. Those will adhere to the ball and you will not see any 
evidence of caulk.

And I second Bruce Whitmore’s suggestion. I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape which I 
source from this guy (who keeps changing the name of his site…), “How To 
Marine.”  Link .  Read his butyl tape posts and 
you’ll be convinced.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 8:02 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
> observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
> properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
> than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
> last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. 
> 
> I am 100% sold on butyl.
> 
> Bruce Whitmore 
> 1994 C&C 37/40+
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
> 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

you can get the bed-It butyl here. https://shop.marinehowto.com/products

-- Original Message --
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 8:57:06 -0400


 I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality as 
that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried that 
as well. 

I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
place. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36  

 cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

Do not use 5200 on anything you don't want to be permanent.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 1:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape


If I may paraphrase expert COVID advice:
Always use butyl tape/caulk where appropriate, if not then use 3M 4200. In
all other cases 4000 UV or 5200 is best.

I trust this will serve you best.

 Humble servant regards, Russ



At 08:45 PM 5/21/2020, you wrote:
>I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced 
>this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen 
>by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 
>and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>


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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I’ve been using the 3M version 
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Weatherban-Ribbon-Sealant-PF5423/?N=5002385+3293241535&preselect=3293786499&rt=rud
 

 .  I replaced my genoa tracks 11 years ago and used this.   No leaks thus far. 
  


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On May 22, 2020, at 8:57 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
> find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality 
> as that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried 
> that as well. 
> 
> I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
> the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
> Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
> place. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> C&C36  
> 
>  cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  
> Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung 
> Galaxy smartphone
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[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

 I have not tried the "Bed it" brand recommended by others, but I will when I 
find some. The stuff sold by Westmarine is useable but not the same quality as 
that used on our boats originally. Forget about the Homedepot stuff, tried that 
as well. 

I left a roll of butyl tape in the boat in a cupboard under the side deck and 
the heat from the sun melted it so that it does not release from the paper. 
Makes it a PITA to use when that happens. Store it in a more or less cool 
place. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36  

 cscheaffer via CnC-List  wrote: 
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C during 
the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody 
have opinions on Butyl being better?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My philosophy is if there's a chance the deck hardware may flex, use
butyl.  If not use LifeSeal.  For instance, I bedded Touche's chain plates
with butyl.  The winches got LifeSeal.

Bed-It butyl is the best.

I quit using 4200 years ago after getting several partially cured tubes.  I
much prefer LifeSeal.

For general reference on sealant usage, look at this chart:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID-

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:46 PM cscheaffer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced
> this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by
> C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and
> 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Bailey White via CnC-List]

I’ve learned about butyl tape from my C&C and have been happy with its 
waterproofing, but I have an issue with butyl where I would welcome advice.  

I tend to try to be very careful with waterproofing any deck penetrations and 
end up with a bit of butyl tape exposed around the edges of the hardware, 
handrail, etc where it meets the deck.  Someone eventually sits on or near the 
hardware and manages to get a bit of tape on his or more likely, her, clothes.  

Any advice?

Bailey White
C&C 36
Lake Lanier
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

I will back what Dave Goodwin and others have said, and make two more 
observations.  1)  Go with Bed-It Buytl Tape, as it seems to have the same 
properties as the original C&C material, and I find it goes on much quicker 
than stuff in a tube.  Not only that, it doesn't dry out, so that roll will 
last you a long time unless you have major projects ahead of you. I am 100% 
sold on butyl.Bruce Whitmore 1994 C&C 37/40+Sent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/22/20  7:36 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List 
 Cc: Dave Godwin  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Butyl tape As a requirement for repairing and repainting the deck and 
cabin top I have pulled every piece of hardware on my 1982 C&C 37 with the 
exception of the toe-rail. Virtually every item was installed with butyl. When 
we bought the boat many years ago I would add hardware or replace hardware like 
any obsessive boat owner would do and I would use sealants from 3M, Boatlife 
and Sika. Every item sealed with butyl was dry and leak-free. Those items that 
I installed with the other products eventually failed and/or leaked. Given my 
general ineptitude those failures were probably my fault. But...With the fact 
that the deck had almost no wet core, it was an easy decision to re-bed with 
the same material. I have re-bedded all of the hardware with butyl except where 
the manufacturer recommends a specific sealant, the plastic Beckson opening 
ports coming to mind.One thing that continually runs through my mind as I go 
about the process of re-bedding using butyl is the incredible amount of effort 
and time required to apply it. Were I a boat builder looking to keep labour 
costs down, I would probably be using tube sealants.My $0.02 (US).Regards,
Dave Godwin1982 C&C 37 - RoninReedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit

On May 22, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
wrote:I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original 
hardware (gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not failed. 
The parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The ones using 
4200 or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is brittle, yet 
they don’t always come off easily unless completely failed (cutting under the 
part is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it back together. 
NathanS/V WisperLynn MA- -On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via 
CnC-List  wrote:
C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat,
  and while it had failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I
  used on a hatch failed after 2 years, so both can fail...  The
  hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no problem.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  I'm rebedding deck
  hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is
  best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen
  by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I
  like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being
  better?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

As a requirement for repairing and repainting the deck and cabin top I have 
pulled every piece of hardware on my 1982 C&C 37 with the exception of the 
toe-rail. Virtually every item was installed with butyl. When we bought the 
boat many years ago I would add hardware or replace hardware like any obsessive 
boat owner would do and I would use sealants from 3M, Boatlife and Sika. 

Every item sealed with butyl was dry and leak-free. Those items that I 
installed with the other products eventually failed and/or leaked. Given my 
general ineptitude those failures were probably my fault. But...

With the fact that the deck had almost no wet core, it was an easy decision to 
re-bed with the same material. I have re-bedded all of the hardware with butyl 
except where the manufacturer recommends a specific sealant, the plastic 
Beckson opening ports coming to mind.

One thing that continually runs through my mind as I go about the process of 
re-bedding using butyl is the incredible amount of effort and time required to 
apply it. Were I a boat builder looking to keep labour costs down, I would 
probably be using tube sealants.

My $0.02 (US).

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:12 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original 
> hardware (gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not 
> failed. The parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The 
> ones using 4200 or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is 
> brittle, yet they don’t always come off easily unless completely failed 
> (cutting under the part is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it 
> back together. 
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> Lynn MA
> 
> - -
>> On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it had 
>> failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed after 2 
>> years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C&C 35-III #11
>> On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
>>> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced 
>>> this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by 
>>> C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 
>>> 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>> 
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[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

I am repainting the deck and the rebedding the hardware. The original hardware 
(gel coat under it) used butyl tape and in most places had not failed. The 
parts also come up easily when you want to pull them off. The ones using 4200 
or equivalent have failed, often around the screws, it is brittle, yet they 
don’t always come off easily unless completely failed (cutting under the part 
is often needed). I will be using butyl when I put it back together. 
Nathan
S/V Wisper
Lynn MA

- -
> On May 22, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it had 
> failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed after 2 
> years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 6 years, no 
> problem.
> 
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
>> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
>> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
>> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv. 
>>  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>> 
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[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

C&C (or a previous owner) used butyl everywhere on my boat, and while it 
had failed in a few spots I'd add that the 4200 I used on a hatch failed 
after 2 years, so both can fail...  The hatch is on with butyl now, for 
6 years, no problem.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2020-05-22 12:45 a.m., cscheaffer via CnC-List wrote:
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not 
convinced this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was 
not chosen by C&C during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I 
like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?




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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

If I may paraphrase expert COVID advice:
Always use butyl tape/caulk where appropriate, if not then use 3M 
4200. In all other cases 4000 UV or 5200 is best.


I trust this will serve you best.

Humble servant regards, Russ



At 08:45 PM 5/21/2020, you wrote:
I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not 
convinced this is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it 
was not chosen by C&C during the build except for the hull deck 
joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  Anybody have opinions on Butyl 
being better?





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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List]

Yes? I’ve used it on all of the deck bolts along the toe rail. Any single one 
that leaks gets a little wrap of butyl tape and then tightened back into place 
(I don’t turn the screw, just tighten the nut). It seems to squeeze into the 
space very well. This has held up for a season or two. Will it hold longer? I 
suppose only time will tell. (It does clean up well and easily.)

I do use 3M 4200 on other projects including winch bolts. Given that they’re 
very similar to a toe rail bolt, I do find myself wondering why. 

-j

> On May 21, 2020, at 20:45, cscheaffer  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this 
> is best for me.  Butyl has a cult following but it was not chosen by C&C 
> during the build except for the hull deck joint.  I like 3M 4200 and 4000uv.  
> Anybody have opinions on Butyl being better?
> 
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I'm rebedding deck hardware and bought Butyl Tape but I'm not convinced this is 
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[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Yes, absolutely IMHO.  Bed-it brand,  available from a few places, but 
certainly Maine Sail.


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 Date: 9/21/17  10:42 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: CNC CNC 
 Cc: David  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Butyl rubber tape 

Rebedding as well.  So the consensus is the butyl from Maine Sail is the best?










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From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List  

Date: 9/20/17 9:35 PM (GMT-05:00) 

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Fred,



I don’t know about 1986 builds but I can assure you that 1982 builds were fully 
bedded using butyl. Right now I am in the process of cleaning up all the 
removed deck hardware on our 1982 C&C 37. Butyl in overwhelming amounts. 
Everything was bedded
 with it.



For which I am grateful. It is a great bedding compound. I’ve had virtually now 
soft spots. I just ordered a couple of rolls of it from Maine Sail.



If you are pulling hardware and re-bedding, use the butyl. Your best friend for 
cleaning up the old butyl is #3M Specialty Adhesive Remover, #38984. Melts the 
old butyl away.



Best,







Dave Godwin

1982 C&C 37 - Ronin

Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit










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Can anyone tell me if C&C's built in 1986 used butyl rubber tape under various 
tracks and rails.  I have a baby stay track and jib car track  that appear to 
be leaking.



Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland, Or








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[David via CnC-List]

Rebedding as well.  So the consensus is the butyl from Maine Sail is the best?



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 Original message 
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
Date: 9/20/17 9:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl rubber tape

Fred,

I don’t know about 1986 builds but I can assure you that 1982 builds were fully 
bedded using butyl. Right now I am in the process of cleaning up all the 
removed deck hardware on our 1982 C&C 37. Butyl in overwhelming amounts. 
Everything was bedded with it.

For which I am grateful. It is a great bedding compound. I’ve had virtually now 
soft spots. I just ordered a couple of rolls of it from Maine Sail.

If you are pulling hardware and re-bedding, use the butyl. Your best friend for 
cleaning up the old butyl is #3M Specialty Adhesive Remover, #38984. Melts the 
old butyl away.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit<http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>

On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Can anyone tell me if C&C's built in 1986 used butyl rubber tape under various 
tracks and rails.  I have a baby stay track and jib car track  that appear to 
be leaking.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland, Or

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[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Fred,

I don’t know about 1986 builds but I can assure you that 1982 builds were fully 
bedded using butyl. Right now I am in the process of cleaning up all the 
removed deck hardware on our 1982 C&C 37. Butyl in overwhelming amounts. 
Everything was bedded with it.

For which I am grateful. It is a great bedding compound. I’ve had virtually now 
soft spots. I just ordered a couple of rolls of it from Maine Sail.

If you are pulling hardware and re-bedding, use the butyl. Your best friend for 
cleaning up the old butyl is #3M Specialty Adhesive Remover, #38984. Melts the 
old butyl away.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me if C&C's built in 1986 used butyl rubber tape under 
> various tracks and rails.  I have a baby stay track and jib car track  that 
> appear to be leaking.
> 
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C&C 44
> Portland, Or
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[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Fred,

 

My 86 model used butyl.  I rebedded the inside genoa tracks with more butyl…

 

Jake

 

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Hampton VA



 

 

 

 

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Can anyone tell me if C&C's built in 1986 used butyl rubber tape under various 
tracks and rails.  I have a baby stay track and jib car track  that appear to 
be leaking.

 

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S/V Fury

C&C 44

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[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Can anyone tell me if C&C's built in 1986 used butyl rubber tape under
various tracks and rails.  I have a baby stay track and jib car track  that
appear to be leaking.

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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Well, the one downside I can think of is, aplying it can be very tedious.  All 
those thru bolts on the hatches adding the extra bead to the top and bottom of 
the flange at each bolt and having to penetrate the tape at each hole for the 
bolt was painstaking and time consuming.  But it beats leaks! 


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 Original message From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/8/17  7:17 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List 
 Cc: Gary Russell  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Butyl tape or is there something better? 
The only trouble with Butyl tape is that it seals better, lasts longer, is 
easier to remove, easier to clean up and cheaper.  Other than that it is OK.  😀
GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C&C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA
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 wrote:
Yes, Butyl is ( in many people's) opinion still the best.  What you are 
probably seeing is that even after decades, butyl sealer still remains pliable. 
 Bed-It really seems to be the best, having used RV and black windshield butyl 
tapes.



Kindest Regards,



Bruce

847.404.5092



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> On May 8, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:

>

> I currently have the hood (if that's the correct term) removed from my 
> sliding companionway hatch, and cleaned up ready for replacement. Clearly the 
> original sealer was butyl.    Is butyl tape still considered the best for 
> this job (and if so which brand - if all butyl is not equal).

>

> Also, the hood was secured with s/s screws. Assuming there is reasonable 
> access (CandC 35III) should I consider using s/s bolts with nuts?

>

> All advice gratefully received!

>

> --

> Jonathan

> Indigo C&C 35III

> SOUTHPORT CT

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[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

The only trouble with Butyl tape is that it seals better, lasts longer, is
easier to remove, easier to clean up and cheaper.  Other than that it is
OK.  😀

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes, Butyl is ( in many people's) opinion still the best.  What you are
> probably seeing is that even after decades, butyl sealer still remains
> pliable.  Bed-It really seems to be the best, having used RV and black
> windshield butyl tapes.
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Bruce
> 847.404.5092
>
> Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.
>
> > On May 8, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > I currently have the hood (if that's the correct term) removed from my
> sliding companionway hatch, and cleaned up ready for replacement. Clearly
> the original sealer was butyl.Is butyl tape still considered the best
> for this job (and if so which brand - if all butyl is not equal).
> >
> > Also, the hood was secured with s/s screws. Assuming there is reasonable
> access (CandC 35III) should I consider using s/s bolts with nuts?
> >
> > All advice gratefully received!
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan
> > Indigo C&C 35III
> > SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape or is there something better?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Butyl is all I use now.   I get it from compass marine that's the bed-it stuff 
Bryce is talking about. 


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 Date: 5/8/17  6:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bruce Whitmore  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Butyl tape or is there something better? 
Yes, Butyl is ( in many people's) opinion still the best.  What you are 
probably seeing is that even after decades, butyl sealer still remains pliable. 
 Bed-It really seems to be the best, having used RV and black windshield butyl 
tapes.

Kindest Regards,

Bruce
847.404.5092

Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.

> On May 8, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I currently have the hood (if that's the correct term) removed from my 
> sliding companionway hatch, and cleaned up ready for replacement. Clearly the 
> original sealer was butyl.    Is butyl tape still considered the best for 
> this job (and if so which brand - if all butyl is not equal). 
> 
> Also, the hood was secured with s/s screws. Assuming there is reasonable 
> access (CandC 35III) should I consider using s/s bolts with nuts?
> 
> All advice gratefully received!
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Yes, Butyl is ( in many people's) opinion still the best.  What you are 
probably seeing is that even after decades, butyl sealer still remains pliable. 
 Bed-It really seems to be the best, having used RV and black windshield butyl 
tapes.

Kindest Regards,

Bruce
847.404.5092

Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.

> On May 8, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I currently have the hood (if that's the correct term) removed from my 
> sliding companionway hatch, and cleaned up ready for replacement. Clearly the 
> original sealer was butyl.Is butyl tape still considered the best for 
> this job (and if so which brand - if all butyl is not equal). 
> 
> Also, the hood was secured with s/s screws. Assuming there is reasonable 
> access (CandC 35III) should I consider using s/s bolts with nuts?
> 
> All advice gratefully received!
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
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[Indigo via CnC-List]

I currently have the hood (if that's the correct term) removed from my sliding 
companionway hatch, and cleaned up ready for replacement. Clearly the original 
sealer was butyl.Is butyl tape still considered the best for this job (and 
if so which brand - if all butyl is not equal). 

Also, the hood was secured with s/s screws. Assuming there is reasonable access 
(CandC 35III) should I consider using s/s bolts with nuts?

All advice gratefully received!

--
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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

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[firewater--- via CnC-List]

I have, with good results.  I use butyl to bed anything that has is through 
bolted or otherwise attached to the boat without relying on a sealant for 
strength.

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C&C 30-2 "Firewater"
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM -0500, "Greg Swetka via CnC-List" 
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Has anyone used the butyl sealant for bedding down the teak handrails?

Sent from my iPad

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>
> Stus-List Butyl sealant

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Has anyone used the butyl sealant for bedding down the teak handrails?

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> Stus-List Butyl sealant

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[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Once again, the list is awesome!

 

Gary

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:35 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl sealant

 

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I know there have been many mentions of the best place to get the butyl we use 
to bed deck fittings, toe rails and whatever. Of course, I have that on my old 
hard drive which cratered….. can anyone give me the best source?

 

Thanks, Gary


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[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

What Dennis said. Don't bother with anything else. (I've tried others...)

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> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I know there have been many mentions of the best place to get the butyl we
> use to bed deck fittings, toe rails and whatever. Of course, I have that on
> my old hard drive which cratered….. can anyone give me the best source?
>
>
>
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Dennis C.

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know there have been many mentions of the best place to get the butyl we
> use to bed deck fittings, toe rails and whatever. Of course, I have that on
> my old hard drive which cratered….. can anyone give me the best source?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Gary
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[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I know there have been many mentions of the best place to get the butyl we
use to bed deck fittings, toe rails and whatever. Of course, I have that on
my old hard drive which cratered... can anyone give me the best source?

 

Thanks, Gary

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[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Yes, my results did vary, as emails went unanswered.

Otherwise, the site is a great resource.

From: Prime Interest via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

On 2/10/2016 12:27 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

  He will ship to Canada, but it makes little sense (IIRC the shipping cost was 
higher than the butyl tape itself). Try his email, but your results will vary.

   

  I shipped it to a friend in the US and then got it across the border.  

   

  If you have no other option, probably the best is to ship it to a e.g. UPS 
store next to the border and get it personally. Or order large quantities and 
spread the cost.

   

  Marek

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam 
Wheeler via CnC-List
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 21:35
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Sam Wheeler mailto:samwheeler.s...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

   

  I can't speak for international shipping, but I placed on order yesterday for 
some butyl from Compass Marine (aka Maine Sail) to San Francisco and got a 
shipping confirmation email today.  Should be here on Thursday.

   

  Sam

  C&C 35 mk III

   

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
 wrote:

As a heads-up (only if you are not in USA, I hope)  ... unfortunately 
several attempts to contact Compass for a shipping quote on Bed-it went 
unanswered. YMMV of course.

 


   

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I just placed an order for Bed-it being delivered to a US drop-off and was 
filled within the day. As I only have use for one of the two rolls if anyone 
would like to buy the extra send me a note. To keep your cost down arranging 
pickup in downtown Toronto is probably easiest. With a bit of luck it might be 
brought back here next week but otherwise it will be mid-March.

 

 

Ed

 

Prime Interest

1982 LF38

Toronto, Ontario

 

primeinter...@gmail.com

 




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Re: Stus-List Butyl

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On 2/10/2016 12:27 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:


He will ship to Canada, but it makes little sense (IIRC the shipping 
cost was higher than the butyl tape itself). Try his email, but your 
results will vary.


I shipped it to a friend in the US and then got it across the border.

If you have no other option, probably the best is to ship it to a e.g. 
UPS store next to the border and get it personally. Or order large 
quantities and spread the cost.


Marek

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Sam Wheeler via CnC-List

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 21:35
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Sam Wheeler 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Butyl

I can't speak for international shipping, but I placed on order 
yesterday for some butyl from Compass Marine (aka Maine Sail) to San 
Francisco and got a shipping confirmation email today.  Should be here 
on Thursday.


Sam

C&C 35 mk III

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


As a heads-up (only if you are _not_ in USA, I hope)  ...
unfortunately several attempts to contact Compass for a shipping
quote on Bed-it went unanswered. YMMV of course.



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I just placed an order for Bed-it being delivered to a US drop-off and 
was filled within the day. As I only have use for one of the two rolls 
if anyone would like to buy the extra send me a note. To keep your cost 
down arranging pickup in downtown Toronto is probably easiest. With a 
bit of luck it might be brought back here next week but otherwise it 
will be mid-March.


Ed

Prime Interest

1982 LF38

Toronto, Ontario

primeinter...@gmail.com <mailto:primeinter...@gmail.com>

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Another resource for butyl is Grainger which can be ordered online or picked up 
locally.  

Grainger has grey butyl 3” width rolls and 2” by 2” grey butyl patches by the 
24 box.  They also have 2” width black butyl.

  
http://www.grainger.com/product/GRAINGER-APPROVED-Butyl-Tapes-WP5534121/_/N-zk3?ssf=3&s_pp=false&picUrl=//static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/4PDE9_AS01?$smthumb$




-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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> Date: February 10, 2016 at 12:00:03 PM EST
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> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 16:30:43 -0800
> From: "Peter Fell" mailto:prf...@gmail.com>>
> To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl
> Message-ID: <18c718003f3e49bf9eaed0a45c08a...@intra.camosun.bc.ca 
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> As a heads-up (only if you are not in USA, I hope)  ... unfortunately several 
> attempts to contact Compass for a shipping quote on Bed-it went unanswered. 
> YMMV of course.
> 
> From: Brian Fry via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:11 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Cc: Brian Fry 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl
> 
> Thanks for the excellent link on butyl.

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

He will ship to Canada, but it makes little sense (IIRC the shipping cost was 
higher than the butyl tape itself). Try his email, but your results will vary.

 

I shipped it to a friend in the US and then got it across the border.  

 

If you have no other option, probably the best is to ship it to a e.g. UPS 
store next to the border and get it personally. Or order large quantities and 
spread the cost.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Wheeler 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 21:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Sam Wheeler 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

 

I can't speak for international shipping, but I placed on order yesterday for 
some butyl from Compass Marine (aka Maine Sail) to San Francisco and got a 
shipping confirmation email today.  Should be here on Thursday.

 

Sam

C&C 35 mk III

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

As a heads-up (only if you are not in USA, I hope)  ... unfortunately several 
attempts to contact Compass for a shipping quote on Bed-it went unanswered. 
YMMV of course.

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

I can't speak for international shipping, but I placed on order yesterday
for some butyl from Compass Marine (aka Maine Sail) to San Francisco and
got a shipping confirmation email today.  Should be here on Thursday.

Sam
C&C 35 mk III

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As a heads-up (only if you are *not* in USA, I hope)  ... unfortunately
> several attempts to contact Compass for a shipping quote on Bed-it went
> unanswered. YMMV of course.
>
> *From:* Brian Fry via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:11 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Brian Fry 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Butyl
>
>
> Thanks for the excellent link on butyl.
>
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:40:26 GMT
> > From: "Danny Haughey" 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> > Message-ID: <20160209.104026.2276...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Go to compass marine and get the stuff they sell.
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects I used it to bed the
> hatch, handrails, traveler, and any other hardware on deck. Read his
> rebedding advice as well.   Danny
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> > Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
> > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:28:58 -0500
> >
> >
> > I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc.
> I prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes
> out of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
> Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations
> for thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses? Charlie
> NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcbNew Bern, NCcenel...@aol.com
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:07:10 -0500
> > From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" 
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Main Sail?s tape is the best (;-).
> > Compass Marine in Maine (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape)
> >
> > Marek
> >
> >
> > From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:29
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> > Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
> >
> > I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc.
> I prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes
> out of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
> >
> > Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's
> recommendations for thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for
> these uses?
> >
> > Charlie Nelson
> > Water Phantom
> > C&C 36 XL/kcb
> > New Bern, NC
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the responses on butyl tape--looks like the tape to use is the 
Bed-It, although I wish it was 1 inch wide.


Charlie Nelson


cenel...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: cenelson 
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2016 10:30 am
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape



I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
 
Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC
 
 
 
 
cenel...@aol.com


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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

As a heads-up (only if you are not in USA, I hope)  ... unfortunately several 
attempts to contact Compass for a shipping quote on Bed-it went unanswered. 
YMMV of course.

From: Brian Fry via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

Thanks for the excellent link on butyl.


>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:40:26 GMT
> From: "Danny Haughey" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> Message-ID: <20160209.104026.2276...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Go to compass marine and get the stuff they sell. 
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects I used it to bed the hatch, 
> handrails, traveler, and any other hardware on deck. Read his rebedding 
> advice as well.   Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:28:58 -0500
>
>
> I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
> prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
> of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'. Besides 
> checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
> thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses? Charlie 
> NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcbNew Bern, NCcenel...@aol.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:07:10 -0500
> From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Main Sail?s tape is the best (;-).
> Compass Marine in Maine (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape)
>
> Marek
>
>
> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:29
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
>
> I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
> prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
> of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
>
> Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
> thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C&C 36 XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
>
>
>
>
> cenel...@aol.com
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

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Apple auto glass, another good choice. I’m sure they use quality products.___

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I buy mine from Apple Auto Glass

-Original Message-
From: "Mike Amirault via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎09 4:39 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Mike Amirault" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

I bought my Butyl tape at in industrial supplier in Dartmouth, NS, Arrow 
Construction. It is grey, 1” wide and it seems to be just as good as any other 
brand that I have seen and WAY cheaper than the “marine” brands. I used it to 
rebed hatches and deck hardware on my C&C33ii, no leaks.  Having said that, 
it’s only been there for 4 yrs but, so far, it is just as sticky as when it was 
new.  For the guys in the Halifax/Dartmouth area, they also sell Dow 795 for 
about 8 bucks a tube.
 
Mike Amirault
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Mike Amirault via CnC-List]

I bought my Butyl tape at in industrial supplier in Dartmouth, NS, Arrow 
Construction. It is grey, 1” wide and it seems to be just as good as any other 
brand that I have seen and WAY cheaper than the “marine” brands. I used it to 
rebed hatches and deck hardware on my C&C33ii, no leaks.  Having said that, 
it’s only been there for 4 yrs but, so far, it is just as sticky as when it was 
new.  For the guys in the Halifax/Dartmouth area, they also sell Dow 795 for 
about 8 bucks a tube.

Mike Amirault
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

Appropriate time for this discussion and advice, since I just purchased a roll 
of the other stuff from $$ West Marine. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List  wrote: 
> I tried another Butyl brand besides "Bed it" and I regret it. I have since
> used "Bed it". You can find it elsewhere than Mainesail and Hamilton, but I
> found price to be about the same. I went with Mainsail.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:22 AM Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the correction. I meant Hamiliton, but typed Defender!
> >
> >
> > Bill Bina
> >
> > On 2/9/2016 11:16 AM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List wrote:
> >
> > Defender doesn't sell it. They sell Life Safe butyl tape, which as far as
> > I can tell is not the same as Bed-It. (besides the name, the color of the
> > tape is also different so I assume it's not just a rebranding of an
> > identical product).
> >
> > I bought Bed-it tape from Hamilton Marine. That was the only marine store
> > I found that sold it. I wanted only one roll and MaineSail ships min two. I
> > assumed buying through Hamilton Marine still supports him though, since
> > he's the inventor of it.
> >
> > http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2-x-50-roll-755207-/4,59595.html
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:41 AM,  wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bill Bina - gmail 
> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >> Cc:
> >> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:36:50 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> >> ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender
> >> carries or you can get it from:
> >>
> >> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
> >>
> >> Bill Bina


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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I tried another Butyl brand besides "Bed it" and I regret it. I have since
used "Bed it". You can find it elsewhere than Mainesail and Hamilton, but I
found price to be about the same. I went with Mainsail.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:22 AM Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the correction. I meant Hamiliton, but typed Defender!
>
>
> Bill Bina
>
> On 2/9/2016 11:16 AM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Defender doesn't sell it. They sell Life Safe butyl tape, which as far as
> I can tell is not the same as Bed-It. (besides the name, the color of the
> tape is also different so I assume it's not just a rebranding of an
> identical product).
>
> I bought Bed-it tape from Hamilton Marine. That was the only marine store
> I found that sold it. I wanted only one roll and MaineSail ships min two. I
> assumed buying through Hamilton Marine still supports him though, since
> he's the inventor of it.
>
> http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2-x-50-roll-755207-/4,59595.html
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:41 AM,  wrote:
>
>> From: Bill Bina - gmail 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:36:50 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
>> ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender
>> carries or you can get it from:
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Thanks for the excellent link on butyl.

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 15:40:26 GMT
> From: "Danny Haughey" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> Message-ID: <20160209.104026.2276...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Go to compass marine and get the stuff they sell.
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects I used it to bed the
hatch, handrails, traveler, and any other hardware on deck. Read his
rebedding advice as well.   Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:28:58 -0500
>
>
> I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc.
I prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes
out of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations
for thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses? Charlie
NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcbNew Bern, NCcenel...@aol.com
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> Main Sail?s tape is the best (;-).
> Compass Marine in Maine (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape)
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> Marek
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> I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc.
I prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes
out of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
>
> Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations
for thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Thanks for the correction. I meant Hamiliton, but typed Defender!

Bill Bina

On 2/9/2016 11:16 AM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List wrote:
Defender doesn't sell it. They sell Life Safe butyl tape, which as far 
as I can tell is not the same as Bed-It. (besides the name, the color 
of the tape is also different so I assume it's not just a rebranding 
of an identical product).


I bought Bed-it tape from Hamilton Marine. That was the only marine 
store I found that sold it. I wanted only one roll and MaineSail ships 
min two. I assumed buying through Hamilton Marine still supports him 
though, since he's the inventor of it.

http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2-x-50-roll-755207-/4,59595.html

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:41 AM, <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


From: Bill Bina - gmail mailto:billbinal...@gmail.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc:
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:36:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender
carries or you can get it from:

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Bill Bina





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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Defender doesn't sell it. They sell Life Safe butyl tape, which as far as I
can tell is not the same as Bed-It. (besides the name, the color of the
tape is also different so I assume it's not just a rebranding of an
identical product).

I bought Bed-it tape from Hamilton Marine. That was the only marine store I
found that sold it. I wanted only one roll and MaineSail ships min two. I
assumed buying through Hamilton Marine still supports him though, since
he's the inventor of it.
http://store.hamiltonmarine.com/browse.cfm/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2-x-50-roll-755207-/4,59595.html

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:41 AM,  wrote:

> From: Bill Bina - gmail 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:36:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape
> ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender carries
> or you can get it from:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>
> Bill Bina
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

Main Sail’s tape is the best (;-). 
Compass Marine in Maine (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape)

Marek


From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:29
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com 
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape

I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.

Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC




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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Go to compass marine and get the stuff they sell. 
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/boat_projects I used it to bed the hatch, 
handrails, traveler, and any other hardware on deck. Read his rebedding advice 
as well.   Danny

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Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:28:58 -0500


I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'. Besides 
checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for thickness 
and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses? Charlie NelsonWater 
PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcbNew Bern, NCcenel...@aol.com 
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Throw MaineSail some cash - he does a lot of free advising on the forums ;)
Joe
Coquina


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender carries or 
you can get it from:

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Bill Bina
On 2/9/2016 10:28 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.

Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC




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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

McMaster has  it, but the bummer is they only have black.  

http://www.mcmaster.com/#butyl-rubber-tape/=111tufe

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie 
Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape

 

I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.

 

Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C&C 36 XL/kcb

New Bern, NC

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

ONLY use Bed-it brand. The others are not the same thing. Defender 
carries or you can get it from:


http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Bill Bina

On 2/9/2016 10:28 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, 
etc. I prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff 
that comes out of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the 
proper 'brand'.
Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's 
recommendations for thickness and sources of the best of this stuff 
for these uses?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC
cenel...@aol.com


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Stus-List Butyl tape

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I, along with the yard, need to re-bed some deck hatches and rails, etc. I 
prefer butyl tape since it works without the mess of the stuff that comes out 
of a tube plus it remains flexible if you get the proper 'brand'.
 
Besides checking my local RV store, what are the lister's recommendations for 
thickness and sources of the best of this stuff for these uses?
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
New Bern, NC
 
 
 
 
cenel...@aol.com

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape question

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I used butyl tape on my teak hand rails about 6 years ago.  Once the
handrails were off I cleaned them well and applied 5 coats of cetol all
around before reinstalling.  I found it necessary to cut holes through the
butyl tape with a punch for all of the fasteners because if I didn't do
that the butyl tape adhered to the stainless steel fasteners often twisting
up into a lump around the fasteners and pulling the butyl out of place.  I
used 1/8 inch thick butyl tape and as Jake moted previously I trimmed the
excess that squeezed out of the gap between the handrail base and the deck
with a sharp blade.  I have had zero leaks and the cetol coating on the
handrail only now needs a bit of touch up but only on the easy to work on
top surfaces...a couple of touch up coats of cetol should be quite easy to
do before launch next spring. I highly recommend butyl tape for this
application have done it twice previous with tube sealants I can say the
buyl tape is easier to work with and lasts longer...handrail installation
is a 2 person job

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Barbara,
>
>
>
> I used butyl on my hand rails and it worked out well.  No leaks after five
> years.  The butyl did ooze out a little, but I can trim it off with a putty
> knife.  I bought some newer, more dense butyl that shouldn’t have that
> problem when I do future projects.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Barbara
> Hickson Fellers via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 22:01
> *To:* cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Barbara Hickson Fellers 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Butyl tape question
>
>
>
>Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And the
> Atomic 4 is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs.
> sealants, I've been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have
> uncovered leaks inside from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed?
>
>  My big winter project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes
> and put new non skid on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries.
> Will also get the toerail stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be
> filled. I'm unsure if it's better for the boat for the deck to get a coat
> of gel coat sprayed on or each area done individually. I know what a yard
> would say. $ 😳. This is why I'd like to try butyl in case I have to
> rebed everything on deck. (And is removing everything necessary if the deck
> gets sprayed?? I've always heard if it's not leaking don't take it off. )
>
> I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up
> against the inside hull.
>
>
> Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!
>
>
> Barbara L. Hickson
>
> '76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"
>
> Charleston SC - a very wet place
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape question

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Barbara,

 

Check out: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/rebedding_hardware for an article 
on rebedding deck hardware with butyl tape.  I found this about five years ago 
and bought several rolls of tape (see ordering instructions on last page).  My 
boat had many “roof” leaks and this worked out great.  I’ve used it for genoa & 
baby stay tracks and a deck hatch.  No leaks!  It worked for rebedding the 
holding tank access port.  No smells!

 

Thanks,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

 <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

From: Barbara Hickson Fellers [mailto:blhick...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape question

 

   Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And the Atomic 4 
is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. sealants, I've 
been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered leaks inside 
from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed?

 My big winter project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and 
put new non skid on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also 
get the toerail stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm 
unsure if it's better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat 
sprayed on or each area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. 
This is why I'd like to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. 
(And is removing everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always 
heard if it's not leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 


Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  


Barbara L. Hickson

'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"

Charleston SC - a very wet place

 



Barbara L. Hickson 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl tape question

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Barbara,

 

I used butyl on my hand rails and it worked out well.  No leaks after five 
years.  The butyl did ooze out a little, but I can trim it off with a putty 
knife.  I bought some newer, more dense butyl that shouldn’t have that problem 
when I do future projects.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
Hickson Fellers via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 22:01
To: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barbara Hickson Fellers 
Subject: Stus-List Butyl tape question

 

   Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And the Atomic 4 
is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. sealants, I've 
been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered leaks inside 
from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed?

 My big winter project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and 
put new non skid on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also 
get the toerail stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm 
unsure if it's better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat 
sprayed on or each area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. 
This is why I'd like to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. 
(And is removing everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always 
heard if it's not leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 


Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  


Barbara L. Hickson

'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"

Charleston SC - a very wet place

 

 

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Stus-List Butyl tape question

[Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }    Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And 
the Atomic 4 is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. 
sealants, I've been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered 
leaks inside from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed? My big winter 
project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and put new non skid 
on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also get the toerail 
stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm unsure if it's 
better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat sprayed on or each 
area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. This is why I'd like 
to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. (And is removing 
everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always heard if it's not 
leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 
Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  
Barbara L. Hickson'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"Charleston SC - a very wet place



 

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[Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important;  padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }    Great to see new 33 owners. They are great sailing boats. And 
the Atomic 4 is a great engine and fun to learn on. Speaking of adhesives vs. 
sealants, I've been wanting to try butyl tape. The recent floods have uncovered 
leaks inside from both handrails.  Can I use butyl tape to rebed? My big winter 
project is to fix the many small gel coat rubs, fill holes and put new non skid 
on. Finally will be getting self tailing primaries. Will also get the toerail 
stanchion bases so the old holes will have to be filled. I'm unsure if it's 
better for the boat for the deck to get a coat of gel coat sprayed on or each 
area done individually. I know what a yard would say. $ 😳. This is why I'd like 
to try butyl in case I have to rebed everything on deck. (And is removing 
everything necessary if the deck gets sprayed?? I've always heard if it's not 
leaking don't take it off. )

I leave my settee insert in the quarter earth as well frame side up against the 
inside hull. 
Thanks and welcome to our new C&C owners!  
Barbara L. Hickson'76 C&C 33-1 "Flight Risk"Charleston SC - a very wet place






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[Chuck S via CnC-List]

You're right as usual Dwight. The ingredient listed for 216 is Xylene, same 
stuff. 


- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Jim Watts" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 11:49:53 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl 



Interlux Special Thinner 216 smells just like xylene, availble from most paint 
stores for 1/3 the price…xylene works 




Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 






From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts 
via CnC-List 
Sent: October 17, 2014 1:11 AM 
To: Dennis C.; 1 CnC List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl 





Interlux Special Thinner 216 dissolves butyl beautifully and leaves no 
noticeable residue. I use it to prep many surfaces for painting or caulking. 





Jim Watts 
Paradigm Shift 
C&C 35 Mk III 
Victoria, BC 





On 16 October 2014 20:11, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


Goo Gone or similar. Final clean with denatured alcohol. 


BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well. 





Dennis C. 


Touche' 35-1 #83 


Mandeville , LA 





On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 





But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted". Agreed 
varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they, they are 
petroleum based. 

But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck 
paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck paint, 
annually! 

So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is 
removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone. 

What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ? 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 




On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote: 





My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that 
prevents proper sealing. 

--- Original Message --- 

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List"  
Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM 
To: "Hoyt, Mike"  , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Butyl 


Mike: 
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 

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On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: 





The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from 
where it was not wanted. Old fittings being rebidded that had been using butyl 
would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly impossible 
to remove. Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of that? 



Mike 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[dwight via CnC-List]

Interlux Special Thinner 216 smells just like xylene, availble from most
paint stores for 1/3 the price.xylene works  

 

Dwight Veinot

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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts
via CnC-List
Sent: October 17, 2014 1:11 AM
To: Dennis C.; 1 CnC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

 

Interlux Special Thinner 216 dissolves butyl beautifully and leaves no
noticeable residue. I use it to prep many surfaces for painting or caulking.





Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

 

On 16 October 2014 20:11, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

Goo Gone or similar.  Final clean with denatured alcohol.

BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List
 wrote:

But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted".
Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they,
they are petroleum based. 

But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck
paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck paint,
annually!

So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is
removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone. 

What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:

My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that
prevents proper sealing.  

--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List"  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike"  <mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> ,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

I use 99% alcohol that I buy in five gallon pales for work to clean
everything and remove everything. I used it for butyl too and uncured epoxy
that I use for the base insulators, it is a little expensive but works
without harming anything.

 

Yanni Boatless in Ontario

Not for long.

 

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TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: Robert Abbott [mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca] 
Sent: October 16, 2014 8:45 PM
To: Letsgo Sailing; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Butyl

 

But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted".
Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they,
they are petroleum based. 

But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck
paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck paint,
annually!

So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is
removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone. 

What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:

My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that
prevents proper sealing.  

--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List"  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike"  <mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> ,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Interlux Special Thinner 216 dissolves butyl beautifully and leaves no
noticeable residue. I use it to prep many surfaces for painting or
caulking.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 16 October 2014 20:11, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Goo Gone or similar.  Final clean with denatured alcohol.
>
> BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>  But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not
>> wanted".  Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why
>> wouldn't they, they are petroleum based.
>>
>> But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your
>> deck paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck
>> paint, annually!
>>
>> So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is
>> removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone.
>>
>> What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue
>> that prevents proper sealing.
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>>
>> From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
>> 
>> Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
>> To: "Hoyt, Mike"  ,
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Butyl
>>
>>  Mike:
>> Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>> Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>>  The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it
>> from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been
>> using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and
>> nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that
>> rids us of that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Goo Gone or similar.  Final clean with denatured alcohol.

BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted".
> Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they,
> they are petroleum based.
>
> But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck
> paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck
> paint, annually!
>
> So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is
> removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone.
>
> What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
> On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:
>
> My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue
> that prevents proper sealing.
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
> 
> Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
> To: "Hoyt, Mike"  ,
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Butyl
>
>  Mike:
> Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!
>
>
>
>
> On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
>
>  The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it
> from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been
> using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and
> nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that
> rids us of that?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
>
>
>
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Stus-List Butyl

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

But the question was "what would remove butyl where it was not wanted".  
Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't 
they, they are petroleum based.


But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your 
deck paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our 
deck paint, annually!


So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl 
is removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone.


What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:
My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue 
that prevents proper sealing.


--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it 
from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had 
been using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non 
skid and nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of 
cleaner/solvent that rids us of that?


Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence




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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I used a roll of grey butyl "tape" from an RV store (along with the
original screws) to secure the aluminum portlight frames to the cabintop on
my 1976 33-1. Note these are old style portlights, not the newer frameless
acrylic(?) portlights that folks like to secure to the cabintop with
Sikaflex.. Any excess butyl was easily cleaned up with a razor blade.

Tip: Cool it down to make it less sticky when working with it. I used the
refrigerator but next time would try the freezer.

I love butyl. If I had dentures I'd keep some in my medicine cabinet.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
> where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
> butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
> impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us
> of that?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think that may work right after installation, but at least in my case it
was a year or so B4 the mess occurred (Hot Summers) and then that is more
difficult.  

 

Regards,

 

Bill 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:16 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; C&C List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

 

Anybody have any luck using a small ball of fresh butyl to pick up the
residue and excess?

On Oct 15, 2014 9:34 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
wrote:

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 


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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Anybody have any luck using a small ball of fresh butyl to pick up the
residue and excess?
On Oct 15, 2014 9:34 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
> where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
> butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
> impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us
> of that?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[dwight via CnC-List]

I would agree with that.if I am apply new adhesive sealant I always wash the
area with a TSP solution then dry and swap with an acetone soaked rag and
let dry before apply the new stuff.even swipe the acetone rag over the
mating surface of the part 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Letsgo
Sailing via CnC-List
Sent: October 15, 2014 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

 

My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that
prevents proper sealing.  

--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 






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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Probably 202 would work.  Steering clear of butyl would also work

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Letsgo 
Sailing via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl

 

My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that 
prevents proper sealing.  

--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it 
from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using 
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly 
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of 
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 





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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that 
prevents proper sealing.

--- Original Message ---

From: "Robert Abbott via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
To: "Hoyt, Mike" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
>
> The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it
> from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had
> been using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non
> skid and nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of
> cleaner/solvent that rids us of that?
>
> Mike
>
> Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
>
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I left a roll of butyl on the boat this summer and it got hot. Now it is glued 
solid to the release paper and really really messy to try and scrape a bit off 
to use. Ugh. 

Steve
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  To: David Knecht ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:34 AM
  Subject: Stus-List Butyl


  The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from 
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using butyl 
would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly impossible 
to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of that?

   

  Mike

  Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

   



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Stus-List Butyl

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Mike:
Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
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Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!




On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it 
from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had 
been using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non 
skid and nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of 
cleaner/solvent that rids us of that?


Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence



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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

You can buy button tape in grey

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From: "David Knecht via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 9:30 AM
To: "Dennis C." , "CnC CnC discussion list" 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

I agree with either Lifeseal or Butyl. I used to use Lifeseal all the time, but 
now use butyl more often.  One tidbit I found recently is that you can buy both 
black and white butyl.  I used to shy away from butyl for deck things because I 
didn’t want the black runoff that sometimes occurs with black on deck/hull 
joints.  Since discovering white butyl, I use it much more.  Dave

On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

> I quit using 4200 a few years ago.  I use LifeSeal instead now.
>
> I think you could use either in this case.  If you choose butyl, order the 
> good stuff from here:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>
> The butyl from RV stores tends to be stringy and doesn't work as well.
>
> My opinion is if the deck hardware will move or flex, use butyl, otherwise 
> use a curing sealant such as LifeSeal.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

I soaked the parts in xylene for a night and it clean the nice

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From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
Sent: 15 October, 2014 9:34 AM
To: "David Knecht" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it
from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been
using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid
and nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent
that rids us of that?



Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence



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Re: Stus-List Butyl

[dwight via CnC-List]

I use ordinary paint thinner, mineral spirits or whatever you want to call
that blend of short chain alkane hydrocarbons in the C10 to C16 range like
in kerosene or varsol.better than soap and water and the solvent evaporates
without harming most substrates.same for Sikaflex mess cleanups before it
cures.I got a feeling most people who use the tube calking like Lifeseal,
Sikaflesx or 3M 4200 torgue the fasteners too tight on initial
application.much better result if the final torque on the fasteners is done
2-3 days later.that lets a rubbery gasket form between the deck and the part
and after 2-3 days that gasket has some resistance to applied pressure yet
is still soft enough to be reshaped or compressed under applied pressure and
yet retain its cohesive integrety. 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: October 15, 2014 10:34 AM
To: David Knecht; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Butyl

 

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from
where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using
butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly
impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of
that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 

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Stus-List Butyl

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it
from where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been
using butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid
and nearly impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent
that rids us of that?

 

Mike

Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence

 

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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I agree with either Lifeseal or Butyl. I used to use Lifeseal all the time, but 
now use butyl more often.  One tidbit I found recently is that you can buy both 
black and white butyl.  I used to shy away from butyl for deck things because I 
didn’t want the black runoff that sometimes occurs with black on deck/hull 
joints.  Since discovering white butyl, I use it much more.  Dave

On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

> I quit using 4200 a few years ago.  I use LifeSeal instead now.
> 
> I think you could use either in this case.  If you choose butyl, order the 
> good stuff from here:  
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
> 
> The butyl from RV stores tends to be stringy and doesn't work as well.
> 
> My opinion is if the deck hardware will move or flex, use butyl, otherwise 
> use a curing sealant such as LifeSeal.  
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters.
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I quit using 4200 a few years ago.  I use LifeSeal instead now.

I think you could use either in this case.  If you choose butyl, order the
good stuff from here:

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

The butyl from RV stores tends to be stringy and doesn't work as well.

My opinion is if the deck hardware will move or flex, use butyl, otherwise
use a curing sealant such as LifeSeal.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Dave said:



ha!  sometimes your fingers get away from you!  LOL

-- Original Message --
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To: Dave Godwin , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:05:18 -0400

" he promised he would going to be using butyl when he puts the hardware back 
on…"

English much?

" he promised he would be using butyl when he puts the hardware back on…

Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 07:53, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> he promised he would going to be using butyl when he puts the hardware back 
> on…

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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Over the years I've used 4200 5200 and that other stuff...I can't call the 
number off from sikaflex.  (although the sikaflex was below the water lime on a 
thru hull). Last time around I went with the butyl tape from mainsail's site.  
I set my new handrails, rebedded the traveler (after following mainsail's 
instructions for thru bolting) and my new hatch with it.  It is a little messy 
and kind of struggle to clean up the ooze for a nice neat job but, not a single 
leak for 2 years.  I'm going to pull the rest of the deck hardware this winter 
(if the boat doesn't sell of course!) and use the mainsail method to rebed them 
all.  I've probably got half of the deck hardware done so far. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
To: Kevin Driscoll , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:53:36 -0400

As of yesterday, I�m about 95% complete with yanking all the deck 
hardware off my boat and I am absolutely sold on butyl. I�ve been 
pleasantly surprised by the effectiveness of it. Pretty much every installation 
that has used butyl is dry and no apparent rot at first inspection. There were 
a couple of newer hardware installations that used 4200 and there is evidence 
of leaking. I know the guy who did those installations and he promised he would 
going to be using butyl when he puts the hardware back on�
 Of note, C&C did go the extra mile and chamfer the edges of all the holes 
during the build and I think that that made a big difference in sealing. The 
guy over at Maine Sail goes to great lengths to provide examples on how to do a 
good installation with butyl. My mast collar came out yesterday afternoon and 
the balsa core was a nice yellow and dry. Reassuring. Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake BayRonin�s Overdue Refit
On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 wrote:Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure 
that matters. 

Thanks
Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

" he promised he would going to be using butyl when he puts the hardware back 
on…"

English much?

" he promised he would be using butyl when he puts the hardware back on…

Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 07:53, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> he promised he would going to be using butyl when he puts the hardware back 
> on…

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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

As of yesterday, I’m about 95% complete with yanking all the deck hardware off 
my boat and I am absolutely sold on butyl. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by 
the effectiveness of it. Pretty much every installation that has used butyl is 
dry and no apparent rot at first inspection. There were a couple of newer 
hardware installations that used 4200 and there is evidence of leaking. I know 
the guy who did those installations and he promised he would going to be using 
butyl when he puts the hardware back on…

Of note, C&C did go the extra mile and chamfer the edges of all the holes 
during the build and I think that that made a big difference in sealing. The 
guy over at Maine Sail goes to great lengths to provide examples on how to do a 
good installation with butyl.

My mast collar came out yesterday afternoon and the balsa core was a nice 
yellow and dry. Reassuring.

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

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 wrote:

> Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters. 
> 
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

Kevin,
 I used both at different applications.  For hatches and other deck to metal
(stainless or aluminum) like stanchions and fittings I prefer butyl tape,
stays "live" and it is done properly on a clean surface lasts a long time. I
found that butyl must not be exposed to sun or UV rays. It dries  and pills
off dragging out the softer sandwiched material as opposed to the 4200/5200
that will stick an will never get it out again.

Yanni 
Boatless in Ontario

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible
95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible
07 Yamaha Straotoliner S
SCRC 011059
SRO 26-6483

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!
Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?
Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere


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To: Burt Stratton via CnC-List; Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Subject: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters. 

Thanks
Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

I will second the butyl tape recommendation.  I removed my cabin top hatch
this weekend.  The original butyl tape was solidly adhered to the hatch and
deck.  I was able to separate it from the deck with a putty knife, but it
took a fair amount of force.  A long time ago I used Pompanette's "hatch
tape" on my foredeck hatch and have had several seeps around the edges.  It
will get rebedded with butyl soon.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA




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Subject: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters. 

Thanks
Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape vs 4200: Front hatch Rebed

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm sold on butyl.  Just make sure you re torque a couple days later and
then re torque again.  It will be easier to replace next time too.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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> Butyl Tape or 4200? Lewmar hatch though not sure that matters.
>
> Thanks
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