Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Wisdom aside (perhaps literally), I went with a fancy Planus push-button model 
that received high ratings from Practical Sailor a few years ago.  A little 
pricey, but the ladies like the ease of operation.  I haven’t figured out what 
I’ll do if the unit malfunctions while at sea, but fortunately this hasn’t 
happened (four years and counting).  It requires a remarkably large electric 
service line as it draws something like 60 amps for a split second when you 
push the button.  It is mounted on the same platform that came with the boat, 
which does not provide a lot of space (but is much better than the 34).

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

I think that the “common wisdom” is that Raritan PHII is the way to go, but it 
might be more pricey.

Check What Peggie Hall has to say on that.

Marek

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:13
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Head Replacement

Listers, 

I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C 37+ 
to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has the 
same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d like to 
consider other manufacturers as well. 

Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no access 
underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and avoid a, 
pardon the pun, crappy job. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think that the “common wisdom” is that Raritan PHII is the way to go, but it 
might be more pricey.

Check What Peggie Hall has to say on that.

Marek

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:13
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Head Replacement

Listers,

I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C 37+ 
to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has the 
same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d like to 
consider other manufacturers as well.

Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no access 
underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and avoid a, 
pardon the pun, crappy job.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

On the new boat I have a new Jabsco Twist and Lock manual head going in
forward, and a Techma Easy fit electric head going in the aft head. It will
be set up to flush with either fresh or--when offshore--salt water. These
came well recommended by a pal who's an expert in that field.

Andy
formerly
C 40
Peregrine

now
Baltic 47
Masquerade

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Edward Levert via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Several years ago, I replaced the original W/C Head Mate with a Jabsco
> Manual head. I'm happy with the product. I chose Jabsco in part because
> several charters I have taken in the BVI, all the heads, both manual and
> electric were Jabsco's. An earlier posting on this site suggested the
> charter companies choice was directed by price. But I like to think that
> serviceability is a key element to Jabscos being used. It is one aspect of
> a charter which the company does not want to have to fix regularly or deal
> with customer complaints. Plus parts are available on Amazon.
>
> Ed Levert
> C 34 Briar Patch
> New Orleans
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my
>> C 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which
>> has the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing,
>> I’d like to consider other manufacturers as well.
>>
>> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no
>> access underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and
>> avoid a, pardon the pun, crappy job.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Several years ago, I replaced the original W/C Head Mate with a Jabsco
Manual head. I'm happy with the product. I chose Jabsco in part because
several charters I have taken in the BVI, all the heads, both manual and
electric were Jabsco's. An earlier posting on this site suggested the
charter companies choice was directed by price. But I like to think that
serviceability is a key element to Jabscos being used. It is one aspect of
a charter which the company does not want to have to fix regularly or deal
with customer complaints. Plus parts are available on Amazon.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C
> 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has
> the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d
> like to consider other manufacturers as well.
>
> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no
> access underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and
> avoid a, pardon the pun, crappy job.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Doug Allardyce via CnC-List]

Edd, 
More than likely its hollow under the head platform. What I have done on 
several boats is to tap the fiberglass for a 1/4-20 thread. I always prefer to 
tap instead using a coarse threaded sheet metal or wood type screw. Holds 
better with much less gelcoat chipping. I have used the Jabsco "Quiet Flush" 
heads with no problems for 10 years now.

Doug Allardyce 
C 35 III 
"BULLET" 

  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Edd 
Schillay via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:13 AM
  To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
  Cc: Edd Schillay
  Subject: Stus-List Head Replacement


  Listers,


  I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C 
37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has the 
same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d like to 
consider other manufacturers as well. 


  Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no access 
underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and avoid a, 
pardon the pun, crappy job. 


  All the best,


  Edd




  Edd M. Schillay
  Starship Enterprise
  C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I love my vacu-flush - that is, at least as much as an individual could
love a biological wasts receptical.  The PO installed it so I can't tell
you much about the challenges of installation.  What I CAN tell you is that
each flush is ~1 pint of fresh water meaning that the ~20 gallon holding
tank is good for ~150 flushes.

Many people live by the mantra that if it didn't come out of you then it
doesn't go in the head.  I've never had to follow that guidance and I've
never, ever had the head become clogged.  I've had conventional toilets
become clogged more often than the one on my boat though I'm not sure
feminine hygiene products would make it.  It flushes with water from your
freshwater tank so it does increase freshwater usage but the trade off is
that the head doesn't smell and you can go considerably longer between
pump-outs.  If you exceed 3 miles from shore I believe you can pump
overboard which is why the PO also installed a masserator pump.  My y-valve
no longer exists - just a thru-hull valve for the masserator pump
discharge.  There is a good amount of argument regarding the need to
restrain the handle but it seems the answer lies in the fact that 2 actions
are required to discharge overboard.  Open the valve AND operate the
masserator pump switch.  I've been voluntarily and unvoluntarily inspected
with no issue noted regarding the lack of a restraint on my thru-hull.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 10:13 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C
> 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has
> the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d
> like to consider other manufacturers as well.
>
> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no
> access underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and
> avoid a, pardon the pun, crappy job.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Edd,

Mine was mounted on plywood.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Thanks. What’s under there? A block of wood?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd.
>
> Hanger bolts for mounting:
>
> https://www.boltdepot.com/Hanger_bolts_Stainless_steel_18-8.aspx
>
> Can't help on the head selection - I'm a manual kind of guy.
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my
>> C 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which
>> has the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing,
>> I’d like to consider other manufacturers as well.
>>
>> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no
>> access underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and
>> avoid a, pardon the pun, crappy job.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Joel,

Thanks. What’s under there? A block of wood? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd.
> 
> Hanger bolts for mounting:
> 
> https://www.boltdepot.com/Hanger_bolts_Stainless_steel_18-8.aspx 
> 
> 
> Can't help on the head selection - I'm a manual kind of guy.
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C 
> 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has 
> the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d 
> like to consider other manufacturers as well. 
> 
> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no access 
> underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and avoid a, 
> pardon the pun, crappy job. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Head Replacement

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Edd.

Hanger bolts for mounting:

https://www.boltdepot.com/Hanger_bolts_Stainless_steel_18-8.aspx

Can't help on the head selection - I'm a manual kind of guy.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C
> 37+ to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has
> the same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d
> like to consider other manufacturers as well.
>
> Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no
> access underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and
> avoid a, pardon the pun, crappy job.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
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Stus-List Head Replacement

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

I’m looking to replace my Jabsco manual electric-conversion head on my C 37+ 
to a better electric one. While Jabsco makes a “Lite” version which has the 
same mounting holes and same connections as the one I’m replacing, I’d like to 
consider other manufacturers as well. 

Has anyone done this? How did you mount it to the floor? There is no access 
underneath there. Any insights welcome to help me save costs and avoid a, 
pardon the pun, crappy job. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






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Stus-List Head Replacement Mounting

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I replaced the Jabsco toilet in my boat, a few years ago, with a
"household" size toilet.  I made a platform out of Baltic Birch, covered
with fiberglass and epoxy, that let me mount the toilet out a little so the
toilet lid would stay open when raised.  By extending the mounting
location, I was able to keep the pump on the same side as before.  I used
lag bolts for mounting.

-- 
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List head replacement

[Ron Kaye]

Just grabbed the Jabsco in the box at West Marine. Manual pump type.  I 
recalled some on the list saying (naybe you) that the pump rebuild was a pain 
and though the PO included that kit we decided to get a new pump unit.  That 
unit didn't fit the head so we got the whole shebang.  

I didn't know how thick the wood was so I used 2 lags.  One inch makes more 
sense since the wood is 3/4.  But there's plenty of space and I didn't punch a 
hole in anything that I can tell.  

Ron

On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ron, what head did you go with?  I am getting fed up with replacing pump 
 components on ours...
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tim
 Mojito
 CC 35-3
 Branford, CT
 
 On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bev and Bob, 
 
 We just did this on our 35/3 last weekend.  We originally got a replacement 
 Jabsco pump to put on the existing bowl - it was supposed to fit all years 
 models.  
 
 It didn't. Four bolt attachment to a three bolt connection.  Blah! 
 
 So we simply got an entire new Jabsco from West.
 
 Two of the existing mounting bolts (I believe they were hanger bolts) 
 broke off when taking off the old head.  The new base did not fit over the 
 previous ones.
 
 So then we did what you did and tried to find access from underneath for 
 threaded bolts.  Not available.  Talked to a guy I know with a 35/1.  It 
 turned out to be simple deal:  There is solid wood infer the fiberglass 
 there. The answer is to use SS lag screws and washers.  You need four.  We 
 used 5/16 x 2.  West Marine.  Just screw them through the glass into the 
 wood. 
 
 I cut the two old hangar bolts off with a hack saw (try not to saw the 
 surrounding glass - this is the hardest part - a grinder would have been 
 better).  Set the new base on and marked two holes in front.  Take it off 
 and drill a smaller hole as you would for a wood screw.  The fiberglass 
 layer must be bored out to the diameter of the screw (5/16) or it will 
 start cracking. So do that just at the top of the holes.  
 
 Set the head in place and ratchet down the front two until it can't wiggle 
 and mark the rear ones.  Remove, repeat the drilling and don't forget the 
 washers and a thin bead if silicone sealant under the base.   
 
 Worked like a charm for us newbies. 
 
 Ron  Lisa  
 
 On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, broo...@aol.com broo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do 
 listers have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any 
 access under the platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been 
 suggested.  Or creating an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.  
 Is there anything under there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.
  
 Bev Genader Bob Morgan
 CC 37
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Stus-List head replacement

[brooley]

Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do listers 
have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any access under the 
platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been suggested.  Or creating 
an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.  Is there anything under 
there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.

Bev Genader Bob Morgan
CC 37
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Re: Stus-List head replacement

[Dennis C.]

Should be able to use SS lag screws.  Most boats have a nice piece of plywood 
there.  Drill the hole and you'll see.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA






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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:12 AM
Subject: Stus-List head replacement
 


Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do listers 
have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any access under the 
platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been suggested.  Or 
creating an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.  Is there anything 
under there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.
 
Bev Genader Bob Morgan
CC 37
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Re: Stus-List head replacement

[Ron Kaye]

Bev and Bob, 

We just did this on our 35/3 last weekend.  We originally got a replacement 
Jabsco pump to put on the existing bowl - it was supposed to fit all years 
models.  

It didn't. Four bolt attachment to a three bolt connection.  Blah! 

So we simply got an entire new Jabsco from West.

Two of the existing mounting bolts (I believe they were hanger bolts) broke 
off when taking off the old head.  The new base did not fit over the previous 
ones.

So then we did what you did and tried to find access from underneath for 
threaded bolts.  Not available.  Talked to a guy I know with a 35/1.  It turned 
out to be simple deal:  There is solid wood infer the fiberglass there. The 
answer is to use SS lag screws and washers.  You need four.  We used 5/16 x 
2.  West Marine.  Just screw them through the glass into the wood. 

I cut the two old hangar bolts off with a hack saw (try not to saw the 
surrounding glass - this is the hardest part - a grinder would have been 
better).  Set the new base on and marked two holes in front.  Take it off and 
drill a smaller hole as you would for a wood screw.  The fiberglass layer must 
be bored out to the diameter of the screw (5/16) or it will start cracking. So 
do that just at the top of the holes.  

Set the head in place and ratchet down the front two until it can't wiggle and 
mark the rear ones.  Remove, repeat the drilling and don't forget the washers 
and a thin bead if silicone sealant under the base.   

Worked like a charm for us newbies. 

Ron  Lisa  

On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, broo...@aol.com broo...@aol.com wrote:

 Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do 
 listers have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any access 
 under the platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been suggested.  
 Or creating an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.  Is there 
 anything under there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.
  
 Bev Genader Bob Morgan
 CC 37
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Re: Stus-List head replacement

[Stevan Plavsa]

This is what you want, I posed the exact same question to the list about an
year ago:

http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/details/50845;jsessionid=FQksR7cCxNy14LM8jtQX5DcnjQvnM7HBcByYlRprGmQf2dBlQLw3!-1266547739!1014929580

On my 32 there were 4 bolts for the original head that didn't line up with
the twist  lock that I was replacing it with. I think I reused one of the
original posts and drilled three holes. There was indeed plywood, but only
under one side IIRC. So I used the snaptoggles anyway.

I think the suggestion to go ahead and drill the holes is sound. I would a
really small bit to see what's in there. If you've got wood, go for some
large thread screws, if not, go for the snaptoggles.

Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bev and Bob,

 We just did this on our 35/3 last weekend.  We originally got a
 replacement Jabsco pump to put on the existing bowl - it was supposed to
 fit all years models.

 It didn't. Four bolt attachment to a three bolt connection.  Blah!

 So we simply got an entire new Jabsco from West.

 Two of the existing mounting bolts (I believe they were hanger bolts)
 broke off when taking off the old head.  The new base did not fit over the
 previous ones.

 So then we did what you did and tried to find access from underneath for
 threaded bolts.  Not available.  Talked to a guy I know with a 35/1.  It
 turned out to be simple deal:  There is solid wood infer the fiberglass
 there. The answer is to use SS lag screws and washers.  You need four.  We
 used 5/16 x 2.  West Marine.  Just screw them through the glass into the
 wood.

 I cut the two old hangar bolts off with a hack saw (try not to saw the
 surrounding glass - this is the hardest part - a grinder would have been
 better).  Set the new base on and marked two holes in front.  Take it off
 and drill a smaller hole as you would for a wood screw.  The fiberglass
 layer must be bored out to the diameter of the screw (5/16) or it will
 start cracking. So do that just at the top of the holes.

 Set the head in place and ratchet down the front two until it can't wiggle
 and mark the rear ones.  Remove, repeat the drilling and don't forget the
 washers and a thin bead if silicone sealant under the base.

 Worked like a charm for us newbies.

 Ron  Lisa

 On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, broo...@aol.com broo...@aol.com wrote:

 Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do
 listers have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any
 access under the platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been
 suggested.  Or creating an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.
 Is there anything under there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.

 Bev Genader Bob Morgan
 CC 37

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Re: Stus-List head replacement

[Tim Goodyear]

Ron, what head did you go with?  I am getting fed up with replacing pump 
components on ours...

Thanks,

Tim
Mojito
CC 35-3
Branford, CT

On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bev and Bob, 
 
 We just did this on our 35/3 last weekend.  We originally got a replacement 
 Jabsco pump to put on the existing bowl - it was supposed to fit all years 
 models.  
 
 It didn't. Four bolt attachment to a three bolt connection.  Blah! 
 
 So we simply got an entire new Jabsco from West.
 
 Two of the existing mounting bolts (I believe they were hanger bolts) broke 
 off when taking off the old head.  The new base did not fit over the previous 
 ones.
 
 So then we did what you did and tried to find access from underneath for 
 threaded bolts.  Not available.  Talked to a guy I know with a 35/1.  It 
 turned out to be simple deal:  There is solid wood infer the fiberglass 
 there. The answer is to use SS lag screws and washers.  You need four.  We 
 used 5/16 x 2.  West Marine.  Just screw them through the glass into the 
 wood. 
 
 I cut the two old hangar bolts off with a hack saw (try not to saw the 
 surrounding glass - this is the hardest part - a grinder would have been 
 better).  Set the new base on and marked two holes in front.  Take it off and 
 drill a smaller hole as you would for a wood screw.  The fiberglass layer 
 must be bored out to the diameter of the screw (5/16) or it will start 
 cracking. So do that just at the top of the holes.  
 
 Set the head in place and ratchet down the front two until it can't wiggle 
 and mark the rear ones.  Remove, repeat the drilling and don't forget the 
 washers and a thin bead if silicone sealant under the base.   
 
 Worked like a charm for us newbies. 
 
 Ron  Lisa  
 
 On Aug 2, 2013, at 10:12 AM, broo...@aol.com broo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Plan to replace CW with a Jabsco Twist and Lock.   What suggestions do 
 listers have for bolting this in place. There does not seem to be any access 
 under the platform the current head is on. Toggle bolts have been suggested. 
  Or creating an inspection port for placement of nuts/washers.  Is there 
 anything under there I need to worry about damaging?  Thanks.
  
 Bev Genader Bob Morgan
 CC 37
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Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[Stevan Plavsa]

I just installed a jabsco compact lock twist head and the original studs
did not line up. I used stainless steel snaptoggles. There is marine ply
under that fibreglass but not everywhere, I can't remember the exact
details now. The snaptoggles were the perfect solution, they hold very well
and you don't need access behind the anchor. Check it out.

Steve
CC 32
Toronto


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.cawrote:

  John:

 The toilet on our boat is a Jabsco.probably not original.the model
 # wasn't visible.it is held in place by SS hex head lag screws
 ...very simple install should you go this route.


 Bob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax. N.S.





 On 2013/03/16 4:52 PM, John Russo wrote:

  I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a
 Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox
 Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success.
 Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but mounting
 holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting dimensions of
 the existing toilet for info without success and looked on line without
 results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need new mounting holes how
 do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet fiberglass platform and hold it to
 tighten a nut on the toilet base for mounting ? Any experience or
 suggestions?

 ** **

 John

 Arpeggio 

 1984 CC 32

 Norwalk CT

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Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[Robert Abbott]

John:

The toilet on our boat is a Jabsco.probably not original.the 
model # wasn't visible.it is held in place by SS hex head lag screws 
...very simple install should you go this route.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax. N.S.




On 2013/03/16 4:52 PM, John Russo wrote:


I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a 
Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox 
Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success. 
Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but 
mounting holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting 
dimensions of the existing toilet for info without success and looked 
on line without results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need 
new mounting holes how do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet 
fiberglass platform and hold it to tighten a nut on the toilet base 
for mounting ? Any experience or suggestions?


John

Arpeggio

1984 CC 32

Norwalk CT



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Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[John Russo]

I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a
Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox
Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success.
Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but mounting
holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting dimensions of
the existing toilet for info without success and looked on line without
results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need new mounting holes how
do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet fiberglass platform and hold it to
tighten a nut on the toilet base for mounting ? Any experience or
suggestions?

 

John

Arpeggio 

1984 CC 32

Norwalk CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[John Russo]

Thanks Pierre,

 

That simplifies it a whole bunch. 

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Tremblay
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

 

Hi John,

 

I did it last September. Replaced the 1988 Wilcox with a Jabsco household
bowl. On my 38-3, there is no bolt under the toilet floor. It is solid wood
under the fiberglass, and those fasteners are wood screw studs with a round
head nuts.

 

I had to switch the pump mechanism to the left because the hole where the
hose come from the bilge was to close to the head output and I could not
properly shape the hoses.

 

I was able to reuse two of the four screw holes.

 

Hope it helps,

 

Pierre Tremblay

Avalanche

CC38-3, Sail 54988

 

De : John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Envoyé le : samedi 16 mars 2013 15h52
Objet : Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32





I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a
Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox
Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success.
Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but mounting
holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting dimensions of
the existing toilet for info without success and looked on line without
results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need new mounting holes how
do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet fiberglass platform and hold it to
tighten a nut on the toilet base for mounting ? Any experience or
suggestions?

 

John

Arpeggio 

1984 CC 32

Norwalk CT

 


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Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[Robert Abbott]

John:
The toilet on our 1984-32 is a Jabscodon't know the model # 
offhandI don't think it is original but don't know for sure. I will 
be on the boat next week and will check it out and how it attaches to 
the platform and will get back to you.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
CC 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2013/03/16 4:52 PM, John Russo wrote:


I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a 
Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox 
Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success. 
Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but 
mounting holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting 
dimensions of the existing toilet for info without success and looked 
on line without results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need 
new mounting holes how do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet 
fiberglass platform and hold it to tighten a nut on the toilet base 
for mounting ? Any experience or suggestions?


John

Arpeggio

1984 CC 32

Norwalk CT



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Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[Dennis C.]

John,

Instead of rebuilding the head, investigate replacing the entire pump assembly 
and the joker valve.  If the bowl is in good shape and you can find the correct 
pump assembly, this might be a very viable option.

If you choose to replace the head, I suspect stainless hex head lag screws will 
be your best option for bolting it down.  Most heads are simply screwed down.  
If indeed it is a bolt and nut underneath configuration, then look at toggler 
snaptoggles.  http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=50845

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville LA






 From: John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32
 

I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a Jabsco 
compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox Crittenden and I 
have rebuilt the pump once without very good success. Overall Dimensions of 
the two toilets are nearly identical but mounting holes appear different. I 
have contacted Jabsco re mounting dimensions of the existing toilet for info 
without success and looked on line without results. Has anyone done this 
replacement? If I need new mounting holes how do I  get a bolt under the boats 
toilet fiberglass platform and hold it to tighten a nut on the toilet base for 
mounting ? Any experience or suggestions?
 
John
Arpeggio 
1984 CC 32
Norwalk CT
 
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Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

[John Russo]

Thanks for the input Dennis.

 

John

 

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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

 

John,

Instead of rebuilding the head, investigate replacing the entire pump
assembly and the joker valve.  If the bowl is in good shape and you can find
the correct pump assembly, this might be a very viable option.

If you choose to replace the head, I suspect stainless hex head lag screws
will be your best option for bolting it down.  Most heads are simply screwed
down.  If indeed it is a bolt and nut underneath configuration, then look at
toggler snaptoggles.
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=50845

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville LA 

 

 


  _  


From: John Russo johnrussob...@optonline.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Stus-List Head replacement on CC 32

 

I am planning on replacing the original toilet on my 1984 CC32 with a
Jabsco compact model # 29030-3000. The original toilet is a Wilcox
Crittenden and I have rebuilt the pump once without very good success.
Overall Dimensions of the two toilets are nearly identical but mounting
holes appear different. I have contacted Jabsco re mounting dimensions of
the existing toilet for info without success and looked on line without
results. Has anyone done this replacement? If I need new mounting holes how
do I  get a bolt under the boats toilet fiberglass platform and hold it to
tighten a nut on the toilet base for mounting ? Any experience or
suggestions?

 

John

Arpeggio 

1984 CC 32

Norwalk CT

 


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