Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

 On my C I have height restrictions under the quarter berth.  I was
able to go with a group 24 for the start plus 2 X 6V group 27 electric
vehicle batteries for the house bank.

Haze makes a 6V 200Ah AGM group 27 sized battery.  So far, two years after
installing, I'm happy with these.

Think they are the HZB-EV6-200-2 listed here:
http://www.hazebattery.com/EVAGM/default.htm

Cheers,
Jeremy

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s
have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the
setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you
would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the
same? Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The golf cart batteries have more space above the plates, so the effect of 
healing is less critical than in most “normal” wet cell batteries. It is still 
there, but you have a bit more room for error.

Marek

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

5th issue - your sore back.

Individual 70 pound or so GC2s are WAY easier to move around than a 4D or 8D
battery that weighs as much as both of them combined or pretty close. I used
to pick up 130 pound batteries and carry them around. Now.I would rather
not!

Along those lines, 3 group 24s fit sideways in an 8D battery box and have
about same AH overall.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

 


The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

>From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum recommended
tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or horizontally. 

I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel. 
A C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing &
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:



There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your
box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient
the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to
beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your
batteries much sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the
centerline.  This is because the wet cells that make up the battery are
longer along the battery width and short along the battery length, so a
heeled battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline.
It's like running your batteries low on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum 
recommended tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or 
horizontally.


I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel.
A C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing & 
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in 
your box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One 
should orient the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the 
battery turned beam to beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats 
centerline.  You will kill your batteries much sooner while healing 
if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This is 
because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the 
battery width and short along the battery length, so a heeled 
battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline. 
It's like running your batteries low on water.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi Fred,

From the info I found they differ in weight by 1.5 lbs or about 2%(62 vs 60.5). 
 This is actually smaller than the 4% difference in A*hr capacity. 


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:01 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 17:33:32 -0500
> From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net <mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> Message-ID: <8bc66ec9-5d36-4f89-888a-196241d44...@postaudio.net 
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> 
> Paul ? one spec you didn?t list was weight.  I think you?ll find the Trojans 
> to be heavier than the Sam?s Club batteries; this means heavier plates and 
> longer life, as well as better resistance to abuse from under-charging or 
> over-discharging.
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:58 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 15:57:46 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov 
> <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>'" 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
> fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. 
> The second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs 
> or gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so 
> your charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty 
> good docs here 
> (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/ 
> <http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/>) Bulk 
> voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
> This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
> lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
> Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 
> 10% per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you 
> will really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:44 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Cc: David Knecht
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)
> 
> I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s 
> have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the 
> setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you 
> would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the 
> same? Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. The 
second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs or 
gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so your 
charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty good 
docs here (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/) Bulk 
voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 10% 
per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you will 
really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.

Joe
Coquina

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To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM’s have 
been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the setup are 
needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you would just 
wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the same? Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM’s have 
been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the setup are 
needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you would just 
wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the same? Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a bunch of write-ups on marine batteries at Maine Sail’s website. 
> Including some recommendations regarding the manufacturers and also how many 
> cycles (discharge/charge) you can expect from some of them.
>  
> If I recall correctly, the golf cart batteries have heavier plates (more 
> lead) are deeper (hence they may not fit in all battery lockers, but have 
> more electrolyte over the plates so even some serious heeling does not affect 
> them) and can sustain substantially more cycles than just about anything 
> else. But they require some modifications to your set-up and usually they are 
> more expensive.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 18:07
> To:  <>cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Ryan Doyle <>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)
>  
> I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams 
> Club Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as 
> they should.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

There is a bunch of write-ups on marine batteries at Maine Sail’s website. 
Including some recommendations regarding the manufacturers and also how many 
cycles (discharge/charge) you can expect from some of them.

If I recall correctly, the golf cart batteries have heavier plates (more lead) 
are deeper (hence they may not fit in all battery lockers, but have more 
electrolyte over the plates so even some serious heeling does not affect them) 
and can sustain substantially more cycles than just about anything else. But 
they require some modifications to your set-up and usually they are more 
expensive.

Marek

From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 18:07
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams Club 
Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as they 
should.

Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

I’ve been using Costco deep cycle 12v batteries since 2002 and I’m really happy 
with them.  My oldest one still in rotation is a 2008 and it’s ready to go into 
season number 10!  

Brent Driedger
s/v Wild Rover
Lake Winnipeg. 

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> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just tuned in to this string. 
> Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
> batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet 
> if you have issues.
> Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
> batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker 
> on the battery to be sure.
> 
> Cheers, J-G 
> Callisto, C MkII, 
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

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I’ve used Delco Voyagers for years. Get 7-8 years service.  At about $100-110 
apiece they’re good value. 

Reviews are very good. Professional bass fishermen love them. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just tuned in to this string. 
> Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
> batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet 
> if you have issues.
> Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
> batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker 
> on the battery to be sure.
> 
> Cheers, J-G 
> Callisto, C MkII, 
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Jean-Guy Nadeau via CnC-List]

Just tuned in to this string.
Has anyone recommended the Costco batteries? I use 4 x 6-volt golf cart 
batteries. They are under $140 Cdn and can be replaced at any Costco outlet if 
you have issues.
Another good policy someone told me about years ago is to buy all your 
batteries from the same manufactured batch. Check the date stamp or sticker on 
the battery to be sure.

Cheers, J-G
Callisto, C MkII,
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Paul — one spec you didn’t list was weight.  I think you’ll find the Trojans to 
be heavier than the Sam’s Club batteries; this means heavier plates and longer 
life, as well as better resistance to abuse from under-charging or 
over-discharging.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Yes good point Fred,  pair for pair they are near amp-hr equivalent. 
> 
> I have been planning on going with lead acid GC2 golf cart batteries.   I am 
> leaning towards Trojans because of their great reputation, but it is hard to 
> ignore the Sam’s Club GC2 at $85 each, amounting to over a $100 savings per 
> pair.  
> 
> Does anyone have experience with the Sam’s Club 6V batteries?
> 
> Here are the specs and prices from Sam’s Club and the local Batteries Plus 
> which sells Trogan.
> 
> GC2 Duracell (215 A*hrs @20A)  $85  12m warranty   $0.40/Ahr
> EGC2 Duracell (230 A*hrs @20A)  $118 12m warranty  $0.50/Ahr
> 
> Trojan T-105 (225 A*hrs) $139 18m warranty $0.62/Ahr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

I was in the exact position as you two years ago and I have 4 of the Sams Club 
Duracell GC batteries.  No complaints here whatsoever.  They perform as they 
should.

Ryan
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I work with a few staff from the East Penn plant locally and they are
saying the Canadian Tire, Walmart, and Costco batteries are all the same
material from the same line in Pickering.

I am looking for 2 Deep 27's and expect to get one from CT on my funny
money, and the other where ever is cheapest.

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[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Yes good point Fred,  pair for pair they are near amp-hr equivalent. 

I have been planning on going with lead acid GC2 golf cart batteries.   I am 
leaning towards Trojans because of their great reputation, but it is hard to 
ignore the Sam’s Club GC2 at $85 each, amounting to over a $100 savings per 
pair.  

Does anyone have experience with the Sam’s Club 6V batteries?

Here are the specs and prices from Sam’s Club and the local Batteries Plus 
which sells Trogan.

GC2 Duracell (215 A*hrs @20A)  $85  12m warranty $0.40/Ahr
EGC2 Duracell (230 A*hrs @20A)  $118 12m warranty$0.50/Ahr

Trojan T-105 (225 A*hrs) $139   18m warranty $0.62/Ahr






-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 3:53 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a 
> pair of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 
> 31.  I?m on my seventh year with them, and they?re still performing well.
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would add - temperature compensation. Especially, if you plan to use the 
charger when it is hot.

Marek
Ottawa, on



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 Original message 
From: Dreuge via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 2018-04-05 12:54 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge <dre...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
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1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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rom: CnC-List 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

CT warranty is not worth the paper it's written on (personal opinion). And the 
batteries vary widely.

Marek

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Date: 2018-04-05 13:16 (GMT-05:00)
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out Canadian 
Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 months)?

Glen Eddie

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Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
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1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Cc: Neil Andersen 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
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[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

In Canada you could check Total Battery. I see a Trojan deep cycle Group 31 
listed
for $282.80

http://webstore.totalbattery.com/product-p/31xhs.htm


The claimed 130 amp hours is good as is the reserve capacity at 225 minutes.
Many Group 31s are around 100 and 190.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

By contrast, my Trojan T105 golf cart batteries run around $150.00 each; a pair 
of them has twice the amp-hour capacity at 12 volts as a single Group 31.  I’m 
on my seventh year with them, and they’re still performing well.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
> very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
> ‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 
> 2 or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 
> 5 years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
> I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a 
> charger for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn 
> down significantly.
> YMMV
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom

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A few years ago I replaced my batteries with Northstar? 31. They were rated 
very high, we’re the heaviest #31s (lots of lead) and they claim to use only 
‘virgin’ lead, not recycled lead, which they claim lasts longer. Came with a 2 
or 3 year full replacement warranty with the remaining 3 or 2 years out to 5 
years prorated. Expensive (~$300 each) but still going after almost 3 years.
I mostly club race so I can’t speak to cruising use. They are only on a charger 
for a few hours before a race and have never purposely been drawn down 
significantly.
YMMV
Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
Water Phantom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
> and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
> sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out 
> Canadian Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 
> months)?
>  
> Glen Eddie
> Tel:  416-777-5357
> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
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>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dreuge via 
> CnC-List
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>  
> Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
> charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
> also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
> battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
> battery type.
>  
>  
>  
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>  
> rom: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via 
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Neil Andersen <neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> What is meant by "charge them properly"?
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>  
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[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I have a smart charger on board which analyzes the battery directly 
and charges accordingly.  I was thinking of going with 2 Group 31 Lifeline 
sealed wetted batteries.  Thoughts on make/other makes.  I checked out Canadian 
Tire and my concern is that the warranties are below market (i.e. 12 months)?

Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/<http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/>


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Cc: Neil Andersen 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Multi-phase charging: bulk charge(80%) absorption charge(20%), and float 
charge.   The values of the charging voltage changes for different phases but 
also varies with different type(i.e. Lead-Acis, AGM, Gel).   Most decent 
battery charges operate via multi-phase and allow one to select the bank 
battery type.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> rom: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 13:32
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>; 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> 
> What is meant by "charge them properly"?
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Topped up after each discharge (or very shortly after). They hate to be left at 
low SoC.

Marek

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What is meant by "charge them properly"?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Glen

Don't be scarred away from AGMs.  Persuasion came with 2-4d AGMs and a Group 31 
starter.  I replaced the Group 31 about 6 years ago from Canadian tire, still 
going.  The important factor here is to charge them properly.  I would say your 
are good to go as you already have AGMs.

Mike
C 37
www.persuasion37.com<http://www.persuasion37.com>

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[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

What is meant by “charge them properly”?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Glen

Don’t be scarred away from AGMs.  Persuasion came with 2-4d AGMs and a Group 31 
starter.  I replaced the Group 31 about 6 years ago from Canadian tire, still 
going.  The important factor here is to charge them properly.  I would say your 
are good to go as you already have AGMs.

Mike
C 37
www.persuasion37.com

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Sent: April 4, 2018 12:43 PM
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Cc: Marek Dziedzic<mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
charging regime). In normal use, they won’t last longer, either.

If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations in 
charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).

Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle batteries 
from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay far, far away 
from Canadian Tire.

Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don’t) work on 
their boats.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

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Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Hello everyone,

I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).

Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs.

Thanks everyone.


Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557

ged...@torkinmanes.com<mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>

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[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

In my view the answer depends on how you intend to use the boat.  If you are 
set up for cruising and need a lot of power, that’s one thing.  If your power 
demands are not that high and you take relatively short trips like I do 
(normally less than eight hours; never more than 18 hours before the next 
plug-in), standard wet cell batteries may work just fine.  They do for me.

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 12:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
charging regime). In normal use, they won’t last longer, either.

 

If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations in 
charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).

 

Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle batteries 
from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay far, far away 
from Canadian Tire.

 

Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don’t) work on 
their boats.

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 12:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com>
Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries

 

Hello everyone,

 

I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).

 

Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs. 

 

Thanks everyone. 

 




  Glen Eddie
 
  Tel:  416-777-5357
 
  Fax:  1-888-812-2557
 
  ged...@torkinmanes.com
 
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

+1 on the Trojan golf cart batteries; that’s typically what I spec’ed when 
doing marine electrical/electronics work for a living several years ago.  
Really good longevity, and they stay very consistent over their lifetime if 
cared for properly.  Probably the best value out there.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Glen,
> 
> A few years back and after a lot of Internet research, I installed a bank of 
> flooded Trojan T-105 6V golf-cart batteries. A little pricey to be sure, but 
> they have been amazing. 
> 
> http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/ 
> <http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/> 
> 
> Every few months, you do need to add distilled water. 
> 
> We have not lost power yet :-) — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6_TMhP01w 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6_TMhP01w> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
>> and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
>> charging regime). In normal use, they won’t last longer, either.
>>  
>> If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
>> cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
>> off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations 
>> in charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).
>>  
>> Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle 
>> batteries from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay 
>> far, far away from Canadian Tire.
>>  
>> Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don’t) work on 
>> their boats.
>>  
>> Marek
>> 1994 C270 Legato
>> Ottawa, ON
>>  
>> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of Glen Eddie via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 12:04
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com <mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>>
>> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>>  
>> Hello everyone,
>>  
>> I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
>> have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).
>>  
>> Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs. 
>>  
>> Thanks everyone. 
>>  
>> Glen Eddie
>> Tel:  416-777-5357
>> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
>> ged...@torkinmanes.com <mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>
>> VCard 
>> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.torkinmanes.com%2Fvcard.aspx%3FID%3Dglen-eddie=02%7C01%7C%7Cc389ab1b77af4c705ad008d59a45fb60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636584547710156782=BIjEmOfwPpbEBnHZejcXUN5v6r1TAbylQEjY1qGArlU%3D=0>
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[Mike Taylor via CnC-List]

Glen

Don’t be scarred away from AGMs.  Persuasion came with 2-4d AGMs and a Group 31 
starter.  I replaced the Group 31 about 6 years ago from Canadian tire, still 
going.  The important factor here is to charge them properly.  I would say your 
are good to go as you already have AGMs.  

Mike
C 37
www.persuasion37.com

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: April 4, 2018 12:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
charging regime). In normal use, they won’t last longer, either.

If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations in 
charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).

Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle batteries 
from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay far, far away 
from Canadian Tire.

Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don’t) work on 
their boats.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

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Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com>
Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Hello everyone,

I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).

Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs. 

Thanks everyone. 


Glen Eddie
Tel:  416-777-5357
Fax:  1-888-812-2557
ged...@torkinmanes.com
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Glen,

A few years back and after a lot of Internet research, I installed a bank of 
flooded Trojan T-105 6V golf-cart batteries. A little pricey to be sure, but 
they have been amazing. 

http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/ 
<http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/> 

Every few months, you do need to add distilled water. 

We have not lost power yet :-) — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6_TMhP01w 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6_TMhP01w> 

All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Apr 4, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
> and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
> charging regime). In normal use, they won’t last longer, either.
>  
> If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
> cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
> off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations in 
> charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).
>  
> Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle 
> batteries from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay 
> far, far away from Canadian Tire.
>  
> Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don’t) work on 
> their boats.
>  
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of Glen Eddie via CnC-List
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com <mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>  
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
> have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don’t ask).
>  
> Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs. 
>  
> Thanks everyone. 
>  
> Glen Eddie
> Tel:  416-777-5357
> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
> ged...@torkinmanes.com <mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>
> VCard 
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.torkinmanes.com%2Fvcard.aspx%3FID%3Dglen-eddie=02%7C01%7C%7Cc389ab1b77af4c705ad008d59a45fb60%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636584547710156782=BIjEmOfwPpbEBnHZejcXUN5v6r1TAbylQEjY1qGArlU%3D=0>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would suggest thinking very hard if you need AGMs. They are more expensive 
and require much better management and maintenance (i.e. quite specific 
charging regime). In normal use, they won't last longer, either.

If you are forced to have a battery in the enclosed compartment (in your 
cabin), you may consider a gel battery - non-spillable and virtually, no 
off-gassing. From what I understand, they are less sensitive to variations in 
charging voltage (you can use a standard charger).

Many people had decent results with standard wet lead-acid deep cycle batteries 
from Costco. Since you are in Toronto, personally, I would stay far, far away 
from Canadian Tire.

Others would probably chime in on various brands that do (or don't) work on 
their boats.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Glen Eddie via 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 12:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com>
Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Hello everyone,

I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don't ask).

Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs.

Thanks everyone.


Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557

ged...@torkinmanes.com<mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>

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Hello everyone,

I need to replace my house battery and my engine battery (atomic 4).  I also 
have a dedicated battery for my Windless (don't ask).

Any suggestions.  I currently have 31 AGMs.

Thanks everyone.


Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557

ged...@torkinmanes.com

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries + ventilation

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Kevin,

 

My battery box has a fairly large hole going into the engine compartment as 
well.  It appears to be original.  The engine compartment is ventilated, 
although not as well as I would hope.  Better to vent into the engine 
compartment than into the cabin.  My batteries are under the quarterberth.  
This is also why I prefer AGM batteries, no fumes to worry about.  Yes, the 
Optima batteries are AGM, not gel.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 15:13
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

 

Thanks for the suggestions and information everyone! 

 

Think I'll probably go the AutoZone Duralast option. Don't want to dump a lot 
of money in to it right now and finances are a little tight. I will however 
probably get a hardwired charger/maintainer for them to try and keep them in 
optimal condition. One question though, They are currently in battery boxes 
under the quarter berth with a hole drilled into the engine compartment. Is 
this safe for flooded batteries? Should they be relocated? If so, I have no 
clue where would be a good safe place with enough space for them. 

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[robert via CnC-List]

Kevin:

I have the same set up.two group 27 Great Northern batteries in 
battery boxes under the quarter berth.  Both batteries are held securely 
in place to the wooden platform they sit on with 'tie straps'..they 
can not move when the boat heels.  I have never experienced any acid 
leakage.


Both batteries are now into their 8th season and since my boat resides 
on a mooring with no solar power to charge them, I must rely on my 
alternator to recharge.  And the batteries have never left the boat 
since first installed in 2009.


Every Fall at haulout, I add distilled water to top up the cells and 
give each battery a good charge with a 2A - 6A battery charger.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-09-05 4:13 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions and information everyone!

Think I'll probably go the AutoZone Duralast option. Don't want to 
dump a lot of money in to it right now and finances are a little 
tight. I will however probably get a hardwired charger/maintainer for 
them to try and keep them in optimal condition. One question though, 
They are currently in battery boxes under the quarter berth with a 
hole drilled into the engine compartment. Is this safe for flooded 
batteries? Should they be relocated? If so, I have no clue where would 
be a good safe place with enough space for them.



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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dave via CnC-List]

If it were me,  I would remove the weaker, top up with distilled water,charge 
(use a car charger) have it load tested by the trustworthy place you will 
ultimately buy from, and decide.  Repeat for #2.  
If the battery was very low on water for any length of time and was repeatedly 
charged and discharged, you will probably need to replace it.  Btdt.

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com> wrote:
> 
> One of them had low water. I have some extra sulfuric acid left from a 
> motorcycle battery. Would that work to top it off?  I don't know what to do 
> with this extra acid laying around.
> 
> One battery, the one with low water has approx 4v left in it. The other has 
> 1.8v. a different battery maintainer says they are ok and I'm trying to 
> charge the low one first to see if it will do anything. Should I even be 
> trying?  should I just replace both?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 16:01 syerd...@gmail.com <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ugh- forgot to edit the subject line. sorry all.
>> Dave.
>> 
>> Welcome.  Make sure you Check the water level in the cells, and then load 
>> test the batteries.
>> 
>> Any good quality flooded, deep cycle marine style will work fine. Your 
>> 34 is similar in size to my 33-2 and given your desire to overnight and 
>> cruise a bit, you may be poised on the slippery slope that I negotiated this 
>> season.   I expect will find that the two battery arrangement as supplied is 
>> limiting,  (you protect half your deep-cycle capacity for starting)  and 
>> that any battery capacity upgrades (should you be thinking that way) are 
>> very limited by space.   (The guys here with multiple golf cart banks make 
>> me jealous).   It took me awhile to figure out how to optimize this (for my 
>> use, my boat,   ymmv). and I documented my thinking and upgrades here: 
>> 
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>> 
>> How about a latin/English play on words - Pax Familia ?
>> 
>> Dave, Windstar 33-2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> essage: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 16:39:01 +
>>> From: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>>> Message-ID:
>>><caokrqrzluzhnarhzz3oue7rkk72lpk6fgtt+8+h2epy7m5d...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
>>> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
>>> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
>>> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
>>> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>>> 
>>> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
>>> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
>>> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
>>> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
>>> revive them?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them,
>>> but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So
>>> I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
>>> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
>>> others have?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!!
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> '82 C 34 #473?
>>> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
>>> name)
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[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Ok, thanks. I'll go get some distilled water then.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 16:33 Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Never add acid to a battery  (unless you spilled some before). Water
> evaporates, acid does not.
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 9/5/16 16:26 (GMT-05:00)
> To: "syerd...@gmail.com" <syerd...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
>
> One of them had low water. I have some extra sulfuric acid left from a
> motorcycle battery. Would that work to top it off?  I don't know what to do
> with this extra acid laying around.
>
> One battery, the one with low water has approx 4v left in it. The other
> has 1.8v. a different battery maintainer says they are ok and I'm trying to
> charge the low one first to see if it will do anything. Should I even be
> trying?  should I just replace both?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 16:01 syerd...@gmail.com <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ugh- forgot to edit the subject line. sorry all.
> Dave.
>
> Welcome.  Make sure you Check the water level in the cells, and then load
> test the batteries.
>
> Any good quality flooded, deep cycle marine style will work fine. Your
> 34 is similar in size to my 33-2 and given your desire to overnight and
> cruise a bit, you may be poised on the slippery slope that I negotiated
> this season.   I expect will find that the two battery arrangement as
> supplied is limiting,  (you protect half your deep-cycle capacity for
> starting)  and that any battery capacity upgrades (should you be thinking
> that way) are very limited by space.   (The guys here with multiple golf
> cart banks make me jealous).   It took me awhile to figure out how to
> optimize this (for my use, my boat,   ymmv). and I documented my thinking
> and upgrades here:
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>
> How about a latin/English play on words - Pax Familia ?
>
> Dave, Windstar 33-2.
>
>
>
> essage: 2
>
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 16:39:01 +
> From: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> Message-ID:
><caokrqrzluzhnarhzz3oue7rkk72lpk6fgtt+8+h2epy7m5d...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>
> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
> revive them?
>
>
> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them,
> but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So
> I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
> others have?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kevin
> '82 C 34 #473?
> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
> name)
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Never add acid to a battery  (unless you spilled some before). Water 
evaporates, acid does not.
Marek


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 Original message 
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Date: 9/5/16  16:26  (GMT-05:00) To: "syerd...@gmail.com" 
<syerd...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kevin Paxton 
<kpax...@paxdesigns.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries 


One of them had low water. I have some extra sulfuric acid left from a
motorcycle battery. Would that work to top it off?  I don't know what to do
with this extra acid laying around.

One battery, the one with low water has approx 4v left in it. The other has
1.8v. a different battery maintainer says they are ok and I'm trying to
charge the low one first to see if it will do anything. Should I even be
trying?  should I just replace both?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 16:01 syerd...@gmail.com <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ugh- forgot to edit the subject line. sorry all.
> Dave.
>
> Welcome.  Make sure you Check the water level in the cells, and then load
> test the batteries.
>
> Any good quality flooded, deep cycle marine style will work fine. Your
> 34 is similar in size to my 33-2 and given your desire to overnight and
> cruise a bit, you may be poised on the slippery slope that I negotiated
> this season.   I expect will find that the two battery arrangement as
> supplied is limiting,  (you protect half your deep-cycle capacity for
> starting)  and that any battery capacity upgrades (should you be thinking
> that way) are very limited by space.   (The guys here with multiple golf
> cart banks make me jealous).   It took me awhile to figure out how to
> optimize this (for my use, my boat,   ymmv). and I documented my thinking
> and upgrades here:
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>
> How about a latin/English play on words - Pax Familia ?
>
> Dave, Windstar 33-2.
>
>
>
> essage: 2
>
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 16:39:01 +
> From: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
> Message-ID:
><caokrqrzluzhnarhzz3oue7rkk72lpk6fgtt+8+h2epy7m5d...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>
> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
> revive them?
>
>
> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them,
> but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So
> I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
> others have?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kevin
> '82 C 34 #473?
> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
> name)
>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

John,
If your only charging is from the motor/alternator you would never be able to 
fully charge your batteries  (unless you motor a lot - like several hours at a 
time).
You can easily extend the life of the batteries and have them fully charged  
(I.e. have more usable capacity) if you install some solar panels.  A low-cost 
solution  (not a cheap one) should not cost you more than  $150. A Genasun 
controller (around  $65) and a 50 W (even a 25 W) panel  ($50 - $150, depending 
on size, quality, type, model etc.).
We don't have shore power at our Club, so it is more or less like on a mooring. 
I use a 24 W flex panel (installed on the Bimini) and it provides about 1 A max 
current and about 5-8 Ah a day. Even if I sail twice a week  (I wish I could do 
that often), this provides more than enough charging capacity for my needs.
If you stay overnight, you need more battery capacity anyway.
Just my 2 cents.
Marek


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 Original message 
From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John and Maryann Read 
<johnpr...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries 


Hi Kevin



Welcome to the group and know you will enjoy your 34.  What is your hull 
number?  We are second owners of ours and owned her for 17 seasons.  Race and 
cruise.



We run 2 group 27 deep cell batteries.  Use an off-1-both-2 switch make before 
breaking.  Standard Yanmar 3GM with 35 amp alternator which is only charger.  
Stay on a mooring.  Alternate batteries based on even or odd day of the month.  
System works just fine



Battery is from local chandlery / generic brand made in CT.  Last about 5 years 
then will fail to hold a charge.  Volt meter tells the story in a hurry.  $150 
cheap enough to replace



Feel free to contact me with any questions





John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34  Hull 464

Noank, CT



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Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries



Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34 a 
few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails so far 
with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a little older. 
We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough to have a 
community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)



Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the last 
time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way to 
salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on good 
batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to revive them?





They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them, but 
keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So I've been 
thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a true deep cycle 
for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do others have?



Thanks!!



Kevin

'82 C 34 #473?

Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last name)

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

One of them had low water. I have some extra sulfuric acid left from a
motorcycle battery. Would that work to top it off?  I don't know what to do
with this extra acid laying around.

One battery, the one with low water has approx 4v left in it. The other has
1.8v. a different battery maintainer says they are ok and I'm trying to
charge the low one first to see if it will do anything. Should I even be
trying?  should I just replace both?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 16:01 syerd...@gmail.com <syerd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ugh- forgot to edit the subject line. sorry all.
> Dave.
>
> Welcome.  Make sure you Check the water level in the cells, and then load
> test the batteries.
>
> Any good quality flooded, deep cycle marine style will work fine. Your
> 34 is similar in size to my 33-2 and given your desire to overnight and
> cruise a bit, you may be poised on the slippery slope that I negotiated
> this season.   I expect will find that the two battery arrangement as
> supplied is limiting,  (you protect half your deep-cycle capacity for
> starting)  and that any battery capacity upgrades (should you be thinking
> that way) are very limited by space.   (The guys here with multiple golf
> cart banks make me jealous).   It took me awhile to figure out how to
> optimize this (for my use, my boat,   ymmv). and I documented my thinking
> and upgrades here:
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>
> How about a latin/English play on words - Pax Familia ?
>
> Dave, Windstar 33-2.
>
>
>
> essage: 2
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> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 16:39:01 +
> From: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries
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>
>
> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>
> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
> revive them?
>
>
> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them,
> but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So
> I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
> others have?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kevin
> '82 C 34 #473?
> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
> name)
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Thanks for the suggestions and information everyone!

Think I'll probably go the AutoZone Duralast option. Don't want to dump a
lot of money in to it right now and finances are a little tight. I will
however probably get a hardwired charger/maintainer for them to try and
keep them in optimal condition. One question though, They are currently in
battery boxes under the quarter berth with a hole drilled into the engine
compartment. Is this safe for flooded batteries? Should they be relocated?
If so, I have no clue where would be a good safe place with enough space
for them.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 14:52 Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I've been using Delco Voyagers for nearly 2 decades and swear by them.  I
> get 7-8 years service life with a good smart charger.
>
> Delco Voyagers are widely respected in the bass fishing arena also.
>
> A 24 series cranks my Universal 25XPB diesel just fine but I'd stick with
> 27's.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C
>> 34 a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day
>> sails so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get
>> a little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky
>> enough to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>>
>> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since
>> the last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any
>> way to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
>> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
>> revive them?
>>
>>
>> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting
>> them, but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging.
>> So I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
>> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
>> others have?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Kevin
>> '82 C 34 #473?
>> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is
>> last name)
>>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I've been using Delco Voyagers for nearly 2 decades and swear by them.  I
get 7-8 years service life with a good smart charger.

Delco Voyagers are widely respected in the bass fishing arena also.

A 24 series cranks my Universal 25XPB diesel just fine but I'd stick with
27's.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>
> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
> revive them?
>
>
> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting
> them, but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging.
> So I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
> others have?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kevin
> '82 C 34 #473?
> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
> name)
>
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I too use the Optima Blue’s, but I have no option – the batteries are in the 
cabin. Btw. I think they are gel, but not AGM.  Having them there lowers the 
centre of gravity and they are also close to centre of the boat (length-wise).

If you have an option to place the batteries in a compartment that is vented 
outside, usually the wet cells are more cost effective. My friends with RVs 
swear by batteries from Costco.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa ON

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From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: September 5, 2016 14:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Jake Brodersen<mailto:captain_j...@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

Kevin,



I have been using Optima Blue Top batteries for a long time.  They are an AGM 
type battery.  The initial cost is higher, but the service life is outstanding. 
 I only have two batteries, but I alternate using them when we race so they 
both get exercised.  I have one that is now exhibiting signs of failure, as it 
won’t maintain a full charge.  It is probably 6 or 7 years old and still works. 
 I was just able to start the battery after being out on the Bay for five hours 
last weekend.  I prefer the AGM batteries as they won’t outgas into the cabin 
as they age.  No user serviceable parts though… :(



I put a pair of Diehard AGM batteries in my Suburban.  They were priced well 
and I may go that route this time.  Since my boat batteries aren’t a matched 
pair, I can change one at a time.



Jake



Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA







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Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:39
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries



Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34 a 
few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails so far 
with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a little older. 
We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough to have a 
community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)



Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the last 
time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way to 
salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on good 
batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to revive them?





They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them, but 
keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So I've been 
thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a true deep cycle 
for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do others have?



Thanks!!



Kevin

'82 C 34 #473?

Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last name)

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Kevin,

 

I have been using Optima Blue Top batteries for a long time.  They are an AGM 
type battery.  The initial cost is higher, but the service life is outstanding. 
 I only have two batteries, but I alternate using them when we race so they 
both get exercised.  I have one that is now exhibiting signs of failure, as it 
won’t maintain a full charge.  It is probably 6 or 7 years old and still works. 
 I was just able to start the battery after being out on the Bay for five hours 
last weekend.  I prefer the AGM batteries as they won’t outgas into the cabin 
as they age.  No user serviceable parts though… :( 

 

I put a pair of Diehard AGM batteries in my Suburban.  They were priced well 
and I may go that route this time.  Since my boat batteries aren’t a matched 
pair, I can change one at a time.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:39
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com>
Subject: Stus-List Marine Batteries

 

Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34 a 
few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails so far 
with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a little older. 
We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough to have a 
community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)

 

Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the last 
time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way to 
salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on good 
batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to revive 
them? 

 

 

They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them, but 
keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So I've been 
thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a true deep cycle 
for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do others have?

 

Thanks!!

 

Kevin

'82 C 34 #473?

Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last name)

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[svpegasus38]

Welcome kevin. I am running an Interstate 4d, a pair of Dyno golf carts for my 
house bank and soon to upgrade my old starting batteries to a group 31. This is 
also where my windlass gets its power. I have a 90 amp alterrnator, a 40 amp 
smart charger and just installed a pair of 140 watt solar panels. My ultimate 
goal is to spend very little tied to a dock. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Josh Muckley via CnC-ListDate: Mon, Sep 5, 
2016 10:04To: C List;Cc: Josh Muckley;Subject:Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries
For our small diesels there is no reason to use anything other than deep cycle 
batteries.  The required cranking amps is less than 200.  Trojan and Deka are 
strong contenders though availability and cost my lead you simply use the 
cheapest available at Walmart or Autozone.I am working through a failure of my 
battery bank.  2 different batteries in my bank of 3 have a shorted cell.  They 
are Autozone deep cycle that have lasted almost 4 years to the day.  I keep 
them on a marine smart charger which performs equalizing charges every 60 days. 
 Each battery only cost about $100.  I'm considering trojan wet cells.  Gell, 
AGM and LiFePO all require more specialized charging profiles which requires a 
special charger and alternator.  The batteries alone tend to be more expensive 
but then the added cost of the chargers just doesn't make it worth it to me.  
The wet cell technology also allows for user maintenance which should maximize 
the life of the battery.Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sep 5, 2016 12:40 PM, "Kevin Paxton via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34 a 
few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails so far 
with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a little older. 
We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough to have a 
community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the last 
time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way to 
salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on good 
batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to revive 
them? 

They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them, but 
keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So I've been 
thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a true deep cycle 
for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do others have?
Thanks!!
Kevin'82 C 34 #473?Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 
6 Paxton is last name)
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

For our small diesels there is no reason to use anything other than deep
cycle batteries.  The required cranking amps is less than 200.  Trojan and
Deka are strong contenders though availability and cost my lead you simply
use the cheapest available at Walmart or Autozone.

I am working through a failure of my battery bank.  2 different batteries
in my bank of 3 have a shorted cell.  They are Autozone deep cycle that
have lasted almost 4 years to the day.  I keep them on a marine smart
charger which performs equalizing charges every 60 days.  Each battery only
cost about $100.  I'm considering trojan wet cells.  Gell, AGM and LiFePO
all require more specialized charging profiles which requires a special
charger and alternator.  The batteries alone tend to be more expensive but
then the added cost of the chargers just doesn't make it worth it to me.
The wet cell technology also allows for user maintenance which should
maximize the life of the battery.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sep 5, 2016 12:40 PM, "Kevin Paxton via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
> a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
> so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
> little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
> to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)
>
> Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
> last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
> to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
> good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
> revive them?
>
>
> They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting
> them, but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging.
> So I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
> true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
> others have?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kevin
> '82 C 34 #473?
> Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
> name)
>
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Stus-List Marine Batteries

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Hey everyone. Just recently subscribed to the list. Purchased a '82 C 34
a few years ago. Been sailing it around the Chesapeake on brief day sails
so far with the aim to have a few overnighters soon once the kids get a
little older. We are based in Pasadena up Cornfield Creek. I'm lucky enough
to have a community dock with slips that are real cheap. :-)

Anyways, both of my group 27 batteries got completely discharged since the
last time I checked them. So I need to either determine if there is any way
to salvage them or decide on a new set of batteries. Any suggestions on
good batteries or ones to stay away from? Is there any gain to trying to
revive them?


They power a Yanmar 3gm30f and I haven't had any issues with starting them,
but keeping them charged for any amount of time has been challenging. So
I've been thinking of getting one that is a dual purpose and the other a
true deep cycle for use as a house battery. What kind of combinations do
others have?

Thanks!!

Kevin
'82 C 34 #473?
Japhy's Spirit (needs a rename, thinking 6 Pax, family of 6 Paxton is last
name)
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