Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

If Edd’s going to pre-run and cut/crimp as he goes then I would think the 
hammer crimp wouldn’t work for him.

In the thriving metropolis of New York, are there any tool rental places that 
have them? Craigslist for a used one?

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:00 PM
To: C&C List ; Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

If you use the hammer crimp I suggested make sure you have a good "anvil".  I 
have always had the luxury of being able to take mine home and hammer them on 
the concrete garage floor.  The "V" shaped cradle and striker compress the lug 
pretty evenly from 3 sides.  While hitting it I can hear and feel a discernable 
change when the lug is fully crimped.  IMO This type of hammer crimp is 
different/better (and cheaper) than the ancor dimple crimper (which can use a 
hammer).  The dimples in any size crimp connection are said to unevenly 
compress and hold the strands of wire.  The dimple can also cut the strands.

Josh

On Mar 26, 2015 9:33 AM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  Fred, 

  Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool of 
red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over that, and 
then cut/crimp. 


  All the best,

  Edd


  Edd M. Schillay
  Starship Enterprise
  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY 
  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


   











On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just 
need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the 
lugs.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:


  You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:

  
http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm


  I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)


  There are imported version for a lot less.


  Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

If you use the hammer crimp I suggested make sure you have a good "anvil".
I have always had the luxury of being able to take mine home and hammer
them on the concrete garage floor.  The "V" shaped cradle and striker
compress the lug pretty evenly from 3 sides.  While hitting it I can hear
and feel a discernable change when the lug is fully crimped.  IMO This type
of hammer crimp is different/better (and cheaper) than the ancor dimple
crimper (which can use a hammer).  The dimples in any size crimp connection
are said to unevenly compress and hold the strands of wire.  The dimple can
also cut the strands.

Josh
On Mar 26, 2015 9:33 AM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Fred,
>
> Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool
> of red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over
> that, and then cut/crimp.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd -- I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just
> need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the
> lugs.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:
>
>
> http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm
>
> I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)
>
> There are imported version for a lot less.
>
> Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

I've seen a 'friend' modifying a bolt-cutter's jaws to crimp.  He did a major 
electric refit and I have not seen him working on the electric since, about 6 
years.  I can ask him.

Leslie
Phoenix, C&C32 1983


On Wed, 3/25/15, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable
 To: "C&C List" 
 Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 2:00 PM
 
 Listers,
 Does anyone have a good recommendation
 for a tool (or tools) for cutting and for crimping terminals
 onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 
 
 
 All the
 best,
 Edd
 
 Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No:
 NCC-1701-BCity Island,
 NY Starship Enterprise's
 Captain's Log
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

The FTZ crimper with the rotating dies is basically a less-expensive version of 
the Greenlee I’ve got.  Definitely the ticket for reliable crimps, so long as 
you use good lugs.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
wrote:

> As per the Maine Sail article I linked to previously. See page 3 of:
>  
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/battery_cables&page=1
>  
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> Cygnet
> C&C 27 MkIII

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Joel wrote:

Your local chandlery may let you use one.


Right.  Up in the SF Bay I bought big wires at Sven's just because they 
had a commercial crimper on a bench.


That said, I have one of those cheap Ancor crimpers.  I don't use a 
hammer.  I use vice grips, and slowly work it down.  It ain't perfect, 
but all of those crimps have held up perfectly for many years.  Of 
course the crimp was sealed with the heavy clear adhesive lined heat 
shrink stuff.


Wal


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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

As per the Maine Sail article I linked to previously. See page 3 of:

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/battery_cables&page=1

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:10 AM
To: Bill Bina - gmail ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

No 4/0, 3/0 or 1/0 dies?  And 7AWG??   :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html


  Bill Bina





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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

No 4/0, 3/0 or 1/0 dies?  And 7AWG??   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
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> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
> 
> 
> Bill Bina

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html


Bill Bina

On 3/26/2015 9:52 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List wrote:


Edd,

If you run and cut each cable then bring them along with your terminal 
ends to an electric shop or yard I bet they will crimp then on for you 
very reasonably.


Burt (Skip) Stratton

1974 C&C 33-3/4 tonner

Narragansett Bay, RI

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Edd Schillay via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:33 AM
*To:* Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

Fred,

Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large 
spool of red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this 
and over that, and then cut/crimp.



All the best,

Edd

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>










On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.
 I just need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the
stud sizes for the lugs.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V /Oceanis/ (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
WI   :^(

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:


http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm

I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one. :)

There are imported version for a lot less.

Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

If you run and cut each cable then bring them along with your terminal ends
to an electric shop or yard I bet they will crimp then on for you very
reasonably.

 

 

Burt (Skip) Stratton

1974 C&C 33-3/4 tonner

Narragansett Bay, RI

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:33 AM
To: Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

 

Fred,

 

Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool
of red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over
that, and then cut/crimp. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 











 






 

On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
 wrote:

 

Edd - I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just
need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the
lugs.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 

 

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:





You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:

http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lu
g-Crimper-p/m-500.htm

I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)

There are imported version for a lot less.

 

Dennis C.

 

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Fred,

I’m well aware that yellow is the new black, but I don’t think the majority of 
the cable manufacturers got that memo. 

I’ll never confuse the AC hot lead with the DC ground. I keep my AC wires 
insulated and away from my DC. When my AC wires are exposed, it’s only for a 
few inches and very close to their white and green counterparts. 

All the best,

Edd


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C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:43 AM, Frederick G Street  wrote:
> 
> If it’s not too tough, you could make the runs and cut to length, then ship 
> to me and I can crimp. And btw, yellow is the new black…   :^)
> 
> To avoid confusion with the “hot” AC lead, which is also black, the DC “cold” 
> color code is now yellow.  So red is DC+, yellow is DC– and green is ground 
> (both AC and DC).
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Edd Schillay  > wrote:
> 
>> Fred,
>> 
>> Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool 
>> of red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over 
>> that, and then cut/crimp. 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

If it’s not too tough, you could make the runs and cut to length, then ship to 
me and I can crimp. And btw, yellow is the new black…   :^)

To avoid confusion with the “hot” AC lead, which is also black, the DC “cold” 
color code is now yellow.  So red is DC+, yellow is DC– and green is ground 
(both AC and DC).

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Fred,
> 
> Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool of 
> red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over that, 
> and then cut/crimp. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

You probably could find a marine electrician on City Island to do the crimps
for short $ after you measure the runs you need, mark the spools with tape,
and bring the wire spools, lugs and shrink wrap tubes to him.  That way you
could get "good" cuts and crimps from a "good" crimper without shelling out
the $700 Denis mentioned.  

 

He is getting $ for very little time on his part, and you are getting top
quality cuts and crimps without investing capital.  

 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:33 AM
To: Frederick G Street; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

 

Fred,

 

Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool
of red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over
that, and then cut/crimp. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 











 






 

On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Edd - I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just
need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the
lugs.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 

 

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:





You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:

http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lu
g-Crimper-p/m-500.htm

I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)

There are imported version for a lot less.

 

Dennis C.

 

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Fred,

Thanks, but the lengths are all a question mark. I purchased a large spool of 
red and black cable and are going to do the runs under this and over that, and 
then cut/crimp. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 













> On Mar 25, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just 
> need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the 
> lugs.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:
>> 
>> http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)
>> 
>> There are imported version for a lot less.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

I owned a business that had  a Thomas & Betts TBM6 crimp tool.  It is
expensive and I don't think you'd want to buy one.  However, it is very
important to get a good crimp.  You might try finding someone who makes
custom marine cables.   

 

Ron  

 

From: Edd Schillay [mailto:e...@schillay.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:01 PM
To: C&C List
Subject: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

 

Listers,

 

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting and
for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 









   

 






 

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[svpegasus38]

  

I will add another vote for the hammer crimper. I used one during the 
rewire, and windlass install on Pegasus.Doug Mountjoy Pegasus LF38 

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-- Original message--From: Graham Collins via CnC-List Date: Wed, Mar 
25, 2015 17:37To: Josh Muckley;cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Edd Schillay;Subject:Re: 
Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery CablePlus one vote for the 
hammer crimper, that is what I use.
Graham CollinsSecret PlansC&C 35-III #11On 2015-03-25 7:50 PM, Josh 
Muckley via  CnC-List wrote:
  So after reading Peter's link on pbase, I have less
support of my own recommendation for the cheap "hydraulic"crimper for 
which I sent a link.  However, after seeing the price of the crimper on 
   pbase ($275), I more strongly support my suggestion of thehammer 
crimp.  Aside from the suggested crimper all of the othersuggestions 
are reasonable.  I think you are going to find yourself at an impasse   
 regarding cost and quality.  While the quality of the crimperand lugs 
suggested by pbase appear to be of superior quality,you are probably 
going to find that the cost and availability ofthe lugs is restrictive 
and the cost of the crimperprohibitive.  Its a pretty large commitment. 
 Quality lugs for the hammer crimper are readilyavailable if you 
choose to go the cheap way.  As pbase evensaid, that knarly looking 
chrimp still worked.  The crimper wasonly one of many criticisms of 
that crimp.  It is my opinionthat if you employ all of the other pbase 
suggestions but usethe hammer crimper and compatible lugs then you will 
still endup with a quality, long lasting and safe connection.  I've 
donedozens and am proud of all of them.  Josh  On Mar 25, 2015 
5:29 PM, "Josh Muckley"wrote:
  I got one of these and it works well though
probably not to the exacting specs of some others.  TEMCo Hammer Lug 
Crimper Tool 5 Year Warranty 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E1UUVT0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xFYevb11V75DW  For 
a more appropriate crimp you could trysomething like this.  Its 
only $20-25 dollars more.  Since Ialready have the other crimper I 
won't be buying this onebut if I was in your shoes I would spend 
the extra cash.  Hydraulic Wire Terminal Battery Cable Crimper 10   
 Ton with 9 Dies 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNBWXNU/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1DYevb0TC0ECF  
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons,  MD  On Mar 25, 2015 5:01 PM, "Edd
Schillay via CnC-List" wrote:
  Listers,
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a 
tool  (or tools) for cutting and for crimping terminals onto
  #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 


  All the best,
Edd

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

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The Greenlee compound-action crimper is the one I’ve got; the one that normally 
goes for about $700.  And I will only use that for high-current cabling; the 
hammer-type crimpers don’t do near as good a job.  Any small resistance in a 
high-current cable will produce an incredible amount of heat, so the crimps are 
extremely important to have right.

Also, only use the top-notch seamless tinned lugs with closed ends; they cost a 
lot, but are worth it.  And heat-shrink the lugs after crimping.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 25, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
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> Yup ... those hydraulic crimpers don’t get much traction from Maine Sail in 
> the link I posted previously. I think some of the large ‘offshore’ manual 
> crimpers on ebay, etc. fall into the same category.
>  
> By the way I was looking at some terminal lugs at my local NAPA distributor 
> the other day  . I believe they were the Magnalug connectors, a division 
> of Grote, which is a brand they carry. What a difference in quality over the 
> standard, pressed, seamed, etc. lugs you find just about everywhere 
> (including Ancor marine terminals). Didn’t go as far as ask on pricing 
> though. Don’t know if NAPA in the US carries these or not.
>  
> Luckily I have a nephew and brother-in-law who are electricians, with a lot 
> of Marine experience, and they have a set of proper crimpers ... Green Lee or 
> something similar. But they come up used for sale on eBay every so often. My 
> local mom-and-pop marine store does up cables as well ... with the proper 
> crimper. But they have the cheap terminal lugs.
>  
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> Cygnet
> C&C 27 MkIII

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

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Plus one vote for the hammer crimper, that is what I use.

Graham Collins
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On 2015-03-25 7:50 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


So after reading Peter's link on pbase, I have less support of my own 
recommendation for the cheap "hydraulic" crimper for which I sent a link.


However, after seeing the price of the crimper on pbase ($275), I more 
strongly support my suggestion of the hammer crimp.  Aside from the 
suggested crimper all of the other suggestions are reasonable.


I think you are going to find yourself at an impasse regarding cost 
and quality.  While the quality of the crimper and lugs suggested by 
pbase appear to be of superior quality, you are probably going to find 
that the cost and availability of the lugs is restrictive and the cost 
of the crimper prohibitive.  Its a pretty large commitment.


Quality lugs for the hammer crimper are readily available if you 
choose to go the cheap way.  As pbase even said, that knarly looking 
chrimp still worked.  The crimper was only one of many criticisms of 
that crimp.  It is my opinion that if you employ all of the other 
pbase suggestions but use the hammer crimper and compatible lugs then 
you will still end up with a quality, long lasting and safe 
connection.  I've done dozens and am proud of all of them.


Josh

On Mar 25, 2015 5:29 PM, "Josh Muckley" > wrote:


I got one of these and it works well though probably not to the
exacting specs of some others.

TEMCo Hammer Lug Crimper Tool 5 Year Warranty
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E1UUVT0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xFYevb11V75DW

For a more appropriate crimp you could try something like this. 
Its only $20-25 dollars more.  Since I already have the other

crimper I won't be buying this one but if I was in your shoes I
would spend the extra cash.

Hydraulic Wire Terminal Battery Cable Crimper 10 Ton with 9 Dies
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNBWXNU/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1DYevb0TC0ECF

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons,  MD

On Mar 25, 2015 5:01 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools)
for cutting and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4
battery cable?


All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Yup ... those hydraulic crimpers don’t get much traction from Maine Sail in the 
link I posted previously. I think some of the large ‘offshore’ manual crimpers 
on ebay, etc. fall into the same category.

By the way I was looking at some terminal lugs at my local NAPA distributor the 
other day  . I believe they were the Magnalug connectors, a division of 
Grote, which is a brand they carry. What a difference in quality over the 
standard, pressed, seamed, etc. lugs you find just about everywhere (including 
Ancor marine terminals). Didn’t go as far as ask on pricing though. Don’t know 
if NAPA in the US carries these or not.

Luckily I have a nephew and brother-in-law who are electricians, with a lot of 
Marine experience, and they have a set of proper crimpers ... Green Lee or 
something similar. But they come up used for sale on eBay every so often. My 
local mom-and-pop marine store does up cables as well ... with the proper 
crimper. But they have the cheap terminal lugs. 

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:50 PM
To: C&C List ; Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

So after reading Peter's link on pbase, I have less support of my own 
recommendation for the cheap "hydraulic" crimper for which I sent a link.

However, after seeing the price of the crimper on pbase ($275), I more strongly 
support my suggestion of the hammer crimp.  Aside from the suggested crimper 
all of the other suggestions are reasonable.

I think you are going to find yourself at an impasse regarding cost and 
quality.  While the quality of the crimper and lugs suggested by pbase appear 
to be of superior quality, you are probably going to find that the cost and 
availability of the lugs is restrictive and the cost of the crimper 
prohibitive.  Its a pretty large commitment.

Quality lugs for the hammer crimper are readily available if you choose to go 
the cheap way.  As pbase even said, that knarly looking chrimp still worked.  
The crimper was only one of many criticisms of that crimp.  It is my opinion 
that if you employ all of the other pbase suggestions but use the hammer 
crimper and compatible lugs then you will still end up with a quality, long 
lasting and safe connection.  I've done dozens and am proud of all of them.

Josh

On Mar 25, 2015 5:29 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

  I got one of these and it works well though probably not to the exacting 
specs of some others.

  TEMCo Hammer Lug Crimper Tool 5 Year Warranty 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E1UUVT0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xFYevb11V75DW

  For a more appropriate crimp you could try something like this.  Its only 
$20-25 dollars more.  Since I already have the other crimper I won't be buying 
this one but if I was in your shoes I would spend the extra cash.

  Hydraulic Wire Terminal Battery Cable Crimper 10 Ton with 9 Dies 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNBWXNU/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1DYevb0TC0ECF

  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons,  MD

  On Mar 25, 2015 5:01 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Listers, 

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting 
and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

There’s the listserv spirit!

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:01 PM
To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just need 
to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the lugs.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:


  You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:

  
http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm


  I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)


  There are imported version for a lot less.


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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Hopefully...

West Marine in Solomons, MD was well intentioned by suggesting that I use
their crimper.  I looked at it and found that it was a nicropress swaging
tool.  I tried one crimp and much to my disappointment it made huge mess of
the lug.  If you find a loaner tool just make sure that it is the correct
tool.  The hammer crimp is many times better.

Josh
On Mar 25, 2015 7:10 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Your local chandlery may let you use one.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Edd -- I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I
>> just need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes
>> for the lugs.
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:
>>
>>
>> http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm
>>
>> I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)
>>
>> There are imported version for a lot less.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Your local chandlery may let you use one.

Joel

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just
> need to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the
> lugs.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
> You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:
>
>
> http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm
>
> I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)
>
> There are imported version for a lot less.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Edd — I have one of the big crimpers, and could do cables for you.  I just need 
to know the gauge, the length stud to stud, and the stud sizes for the lugs.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 25, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

> You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:
> 
> http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm
> 
> I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)
> 
> There are imported version for a lot less.
> 
> Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

So after reading Peter's link on pbase, I have less support of my own
recommendation for the cheap "hydraulic" crimper for which I sent a link.

However, after seeing the price of the crimper on pbase ($275), I more
strongly support my suggestion of the hammer crimp.  Aside from the
suggested crimper all of the other suggestions are reasonable.

I think you are going to find yourself at an impasse regarding cost and
quality.  While the quality of the crimper and lugs suggested by pbase
appear to be of superior quality, you are probably going to find that the
cost and availability of the lugs is restrictive and the cost of the
crimper prohibitive.  Its a pretty large commitment.

Quality lugs for the hammer crimper are readily available if you choose to
go the cheap way.  As pbase even said, that knarly looking chrimp still
worked.  The crimper was only one of many criticisms of that crimp.  It is
my opinion that if you employ all of the other pbase suggestions but use
the hammer crimper and compatible lugs then you will still end up with a
quality, long lasting and safe connection.  I've done dozens and am proud
of all of them.

Josh
On Mar 25, 2015 5:29 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> I got one of these and it works well though probably not to the exacting
> specs of some others.
>
> TEMCo Hammer Lug Crimper Tool 5 Year Warranty
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E1UUVT0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xFYevb11V75DW
>
> For a more appropriate crimp you could try something like this.  Its only
> $20-25 dollars more.  Since I already have the other crimper I won't be
> buying this one but if I was in your shoes I would spend the extra cash.
>
> Hydraulic Wire Terminal Battery Cable Crimper 10 Ton with 9 Dies
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNBWXNU/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1DYevb0TC0ECF
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons,  MD
> On Mar 25, 2015 5:01 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting
>> and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable?
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Edd,

You can order custom battery cables to size and length with tinned cable on
eBay.  4 day delivery.  Never used them.

Dennis C.

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> Listers,
>
> Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting
> and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

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You ain't gonna like my answer.  My buddy and I use one of these:

http://www.globalelectricalsupply.com/Mechanical-Single-Indent-Heavy-Duty-Lug-Crimper-p/m-500.htm

I'm thinking you don't want to pop $700 for one.  :)

There are imported version for a lot less.

Dennis C.

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> Listers,
>
> Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting
> and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I got one of these and it works well though probably not to the exacting
specs of some others.

TEMCo Hammer Lug Crimper Tool 5 Year Warranty
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E1UUVT0/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xFYevb11V75DW

For a more appropriate crimp you could try something like this.  Its only
$20-25 dollars more.  Since I already have the other crimper I won't be
buying this one but if I was in your shoes I would spend the extra cash.

Hydraulic Wire Terminal Battery Cable Crimper 10 Ton with 9 Dies
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DNBWXNU/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_1DYevb0TC0ECF

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons,  MD
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>
> Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting
> and for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I have big electricians crimpers. They look like bolt cutters. Electric
supply houses have them. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:01 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

 

Listers,

 

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting and
for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> 

 











 






 

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Re: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Does this help?

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/battery_cables&page=1

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:00 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

Listers, 

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting and 
for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


 














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Stus-List Tool(s) Recommendation for Battery Cable

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a tool (or tools) for cutting and 
for crimping terminals onto #6 and/or #4 battery cable? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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