Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view. Perhaps we should wait just a bit. You have to be smart enough to come in out of the rain to understand the concept. Standing there until you are soaked and sneezing is not necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Yeah, come in from the rain and start making stuff up where it's warm and dry. Truth holds no value just blast those neomicrosofticons. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view. Perhaps we should wait just a bit. You have to be smart enough to come in out of the rain to understand the concept. Standing there until you are soaked and sneezing is not necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well mr moneybags, 2500 dollars to listen to a ten dollar cd is cost prohibitive to a lot of people. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600s US$300.00 Optical interconnect US$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. I merely send the audio output from my computer to my existing stereo system by way of cables. The result is audio that is magnitudes better than from the computer speakers. Cheap. I also have numerous CDs loaded with MP3s that are categorized into folders. I play the CDs via the CD/DVD player which has a small 9 B/W monitor attached, allowing me to view the contents of the CDs and to navigate through the offerings using the DVD player remote control. The player also has a USB port that I use in conjunction with flash drives to quickly and easily listen to newly obtained music. I often will record to my hard drive interesting music streams from the internet and listen to them later. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have a computer hooked up to a pioneer receiver with svideo and digital audio, I've put all my cds and some dvds on the computer and can play anything with my ipod touch working as the remote. Since it's controlled via wifi, I don't even have t be in the same room. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. I merely send the audio output from my computer to my existing stereo system by way of cables. The result is audio that is magnitudes better than from the computer speakers. Cheap. I also have numerous CDs loaded with MP3s that are categorized into folders. I play the CDs via the CD/DVD player which has a small 9 B/W monitor attached, allowing me to view the contents of the CDs and to navigate through the offerings using the DVD player remote control. The player also has a USB port that I use in conjunction with flash drives to quickly and easily listen to newly obtained music. I often will record to my hard drive interesting music streams from the internet and listen to them later. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well mr moneybags, 2500 dollars to listen to a ten dollar cd is cost prohibitive to a lot of people. OK, I'll accept that. But consider it from a different perspective. If you bought one $10 CD a week for 30 years, you'd have 1500 CDs, which is a respectable but not even close to impressive collection. THIS is an impressive collection: http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/09/biggest-record-collection-in-the-world-paul-mawhinney/ Puts a new perspective on a $2500 headphone system. Assuming you all ready have a computer with a USB port, how about this: HeadRoom Micro DACUS$333.00 Sennheiser HD600s US$300.00 Creek OBH-21 Amplifier US$375.00 $1008.00. Better? Not as flexible, but still very good. The HD600s are in my opinion the best value in high end audio right now, but an Ipod won't drive them. Either of the DACs I've mentioned is better than an Ipods'. Swap out the OBH-21 for an OBH-11 and you're at $833.00. I can't get as low as an Ipod because I'm reluctant to compromise too far on DAC, amp, or transducers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Another perspective on why Zune HD is a failure... Bad Idea #5. Go one better. As the rise and fall of Friendfeed indicates, copying the basic functionality of a successful application (Twitter, in this case) and adding a few new features -- doing the same thing slightly better from some perspective -- doesn't usually lead to attracting many users away from the copied application. It takes a radical recast of functionality -- a revolutionary increase in capabilities, or a new paradigm of use -- to get people to drop something they have been happily using and to adopt some alternative, especially when they are connected to many other users by the application. But you'd better expect to see better mousetraps of all descriptions continue to appear -- and then fade away. Five Common Pitfalls of Web Applications http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=180607 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Another perspective on why Zune HD is a failure... A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view. Perhaps we should wait just a bit. Reminds me of Dave Barry, who starts referring to new administrations as failed on about January 21. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. I agree. Most commercial stations have no desire to offer a variety of programs. They are typically rigidly locked into a single format. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. While I agreed with your description of what HD is an abbreviation for, the use of the term HD can be determined by any entity that employs that term. In fact, HD is simply the brand name for the digital broadcasting system that was approved for use by the FCC. The holder of the patent for the system as approved by the FCC maintains that HD actually means nothing and is purely a moniker used by them to identify their patented product. Users of their product may describe that term in any way they may see fit. Many stations do refer to HD as meaning High Definition. The term Hybrid Digital has similarly been adopted primarily by engineering types, but again, has nothing to do with the term HD as held by the patent holder. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. The market reception for Zune is so disappointing that many retailers have even stopped selling it altogether, he said. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Microsoft-Apple-Zune-HD-iPod,news-4344.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO? With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million portable navigation device users rely on every day, said Corinne Vigreux, managing director of TomTom. $99 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10310838-37.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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From the ars technica article that your battery numbers come from: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/zune-hd-specs-reveal-battery-life-estimates-format-support.ars Battery life is cited as up to 24 hours (wireless off) for music and up to four hours for video, but this seemed a little toward the low-end. We e-mailed Microsoft and got back much better numbers: up to 33 hours (wireless off) for music and up to 8.5 hours I saw this in the comments and can't improve upon it: So wait...you emailed MS that you thought their official battery estimates were low and they just upped the numbers for you...?? ?? Aren't the official numbers the result of TESTING...?? ?? Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to you? From:Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Battery life: I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video: http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Zune-HD-32/product/41941DC9#ctl19_tcla _a OK, stick with whatever you want. It's from MS, that makes it a claimed battery life. It's a safe bet that both mfrs claims are exaggerated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to you? I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO? With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million portable navigation device users rely on every day, said Corinne Vigreux, managing director of TomTom. Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established ecosystem (thanks largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for sale yet? Really? Do tell. This kind of derangement greatly amuses me. My refurbed TomTom 130 only cost me $50, BTW. Will iPhone users get the safety cameras and map share features that I enjoy at half the price? No? What a bargain. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch. The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. We all know that market analysts are *never* wrong, right? So, if you won't go in to stamp collecting as a relaxing hobby, how about butterfly collecting? I always pictured you as someone at home with a net. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? You saw an argument in there? You saw a defense of making exaggerated claims? Not to worry, I'm sure chronic paranoia will be covered under O-Care. In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative. I've seen the opposite reported many times by actual users. Go figure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established ecosystem (thanks largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for sale yet? You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest. Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in the Zune HD. Why an I I'm not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest. I didn't ignore your idiotic and pointless jingoism. You should be flattered. Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in the Zune HD. Go nuts. Tell us which ones will run on a Zune HD. Go on. I'll wait. whistles Why an I I'm not surprised? So, you *are* going to spend twice as much on GPS software for half the functionality. Let's call that the smug tax. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond the usual. This is a question that won't be answered with any logic. I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the Republican ticket, the official one. It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. ? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. http://rantsandstuff.com/2009/06/01/nitpicking-the-zune-hd/ It’s the little things like this that make me wonder what else did they not pay that much attention to? They couldn’t have dropped the menu font just a tad to make it fit on the screen? I know I’m nitpicking but shouldn’t someone at Microsoft also be nitpicking this kind of thing? Actually that may be purposeful. A half word indicates there is more to scroll down and see. I don't think it is more elegant than the ipod scroll bar but it could be M$ trying not to totally copy look and feel. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well we know from sales figures the Zune isn't mass market so you must be referring to Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the Republican ticket, the official one. It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. ? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. The Zune Panel has noted your opinion. Thank you for participating in this public forum. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond the usual. This is a question that won't be answered with any logic. I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Tom Piwowar? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Screen size: Remember size is roughly the square of the diagonal. Taking second digit rounding into account that could be as much as 18% difference. That is a worst case number, but it agrees pretty closely with the computation in pixels: 480x320 vs. 480x272 (17.6% more for the Touch). Yes, I think you would notice. Not for 16:9 video in landscape, but for almost everything else. Why do you think the Zune HD's menu cuts off text? Battery life: I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video: http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Zune-HD-32/product/41941DC9#ctl19_tcla_a The same numbers are at Best Buy: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9449581st=Zune_20090816lp=1type=productcp=1id=1218106628166 (I didn't find the battery specs at Amazon.) Which set of numbers do you think MS can be held legally liable for? As so advertised, the Touch does better than the Zune HD by 50% in both video and audio. Even if MS's advertisements change to match the numbers you cite, the Touch still wins on audio. Additionally, digging into the methodology, it looks like the iPod specs are with wireless turned on and the Zune HD with it turned off, so a comparison on an equal testing basis would likely help the Touch. OLED does save energy and so does an efficient processor, but a skimpy battery could very well cancel that advantage. As for more realistic usage numbers, we'll have to wait until the HD comes out and someone does controlled side by side tests. I'd like to see that. From:Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? Well, there's: Screen size (Zune HD) vs. (iPod Touch) 3.3 vs. 3.5 Will you really notice? advertised battery life Music: 33 hours vs. 36 hours Video: 8.5 hours vs. 6 hours The OLED tech comes through here. Bluetooth No word either way on Zune. Assume not. apps (by about 64,000 or so) No contest. Touch wins. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. Someone else said it, but I will repeat it once again because it is so brilliantly succinct... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Is this too difficult a concept for WFBs to wrap their brains around? Do they know nothing about hockey? If M$ were to price this poor, belated copy of somebody else's work at $99 it might have some merit, just for being cheap. Priced as it is, one might as well buy a refurb of the real thing. The Zune HD 16GB will sell for $219 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FA623LL/B $159 Refurbished iPod touch, 8GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. $279 Refurbished iPod touch, 32GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. I'm waiting with great interest to see what Apple will roll out about the same time that the Zune HD is supposed to go on sale. I'm sure it will be far more interesting. It won't be a copy of somebody else's work. Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This has got to be an act, Tom can't be this obtuse and still feed himself. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely players. Play on Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. Someone else said it, but I will repeat it once again because it is so brilliantly succinct... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Is this too difficult a concept for WFBs to wrap their brains around? Do they know nothing about hockey? If M$ were to price this poor, belated copy of somebody else's work at $99 it might have some merit, just for being cheap. Priced as it is, one might as well buy a refurb of the real thing. The Zune HD 16GB will sell for $219 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FA623LL/B $159 Refurbished iPod touch, 8GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. $279 Refurbished iPod touch, 32GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. I'm waiting with great interest to see what Apple will roll out about the same time that the Zune HD is supposed to go on sale. I'm sure it will be far more interesting. It won't be a copy of somebody else's work. Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? I don't waste time defending mediocrity. You all ready know my views on what is trash and what is not. These devices are seriously compromised in delivering high quality audio. And I include the Ipod. We might as well be talking about which Kenner Close 'n Play is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAKZ-O70wNg The red one or the blue one. It is possible to do all of this much, much better. I see no point in defending a consumer product because it says Apple or Microsoft or anything else on it. They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are there any portable players with sound you do like? I'm not trying to be a smartass, just trying to educate myself. I know you follow this particular area a lot more then I do. I've never been much of a audiophile, I've listened to a LOT of music at work over the last few decades, always on portable players because that's the only way. As far as the ipod or zune, I've read multiple places the zune has a better sound processor, but I can't tell. Could you? Or are they both just too bad to even consider? Any portables out there you do like? Any suggestions for someone wanting to see if they can hear the difference? On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high end Macinstosh than a high end Apple. No. Not exactly. If it sounds good it is good. I don't have McIntosh gear, that isn't in my price range. But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus a pile of pony crap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high end Macinstosh than a high end Apple. I like. Stewart At 02:22 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? I don't waste time defending mediocrity. You all ready know my views on what is trash and what is not. These devices are seriously compromised in delivering high quality audio. And I include the Ipod. We might as well be talking about which Kenner Close 'n Play is better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAKZ-O70wNg The red one or the blue one. It is possible to do all of this much, much better. I see no point in defending a consumer product because it says Apple or Microsoft or anything else on it. They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Battery life: I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video: http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Zune-HD-32/product/41941DC9#ctl19_tcla _a OK, stick with whatever you want. It's from MS, that makes it a claimed battery life. It's a safe bet that both mfrs claims are exaggerated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus a pile of pony crap. Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file on an iPod? Apple's lossless compression makes iTunes an audiophile's delight I tested Apple Lossless Encoding using some of my favorite audiophile CDs, including a few from Reference Recordings, maker of some of the highest-quality CDs I've ever heard. I heard absolutely no difference in the sound of the CD vs. the sound of the iTunes compressed version using Apple Lossless Encoding. http://aroundcny.com/Technofile/texts/mac060204.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are there any portable players with sound you do like? Sure, it's possible. Actually the Ipod isn't bad but it doesn't have a digital output that will feed a portable DAC and amp. Very good systems can be built around an Ipod but the Ipod's onboard DAC and amp are shite. As long as you see it as a music storage device it is fine, it can store WAV and FLAC files. But the key is the DA transition and enough gas to drive a pair of serious headphones. This can and has been done. It is expensive to do this. It is expensive in terms of real estate on an Ipod to store uncompressed files. But it can be done. The solutions are far less portable. If it is uncompressed digital it really doesn't matter what one saves it on, HD, Ipod, Zune, whatever. The important parts are the DA conversion, the amps, and the transducers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. Precisely. As an avid listener of good music, and and all genres are welcomed if the offerings are of high caliber, I do not have time or money to waste on devices that fail to satisfy my ears. To my way of thinking, getting antsy over teeny tiny listening devices is the equivalent of getting wrought up about 7 b/w portable TVs before analog went poof. As to HD radio over earbuds, you would never hear the difference between that and FM, if you could even capture the signal to begin with. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file on an iPod? See my subsequent post. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Any portables out there you do like? Any suggestions for someone wanting to see if they can hear the difference? No portables, even those played via a docking system with some attached speakers, will sound anything like real music. The closest you can get with these portable units is to attach real headphones of high quality to them and dispense with those thingys that you stick in your ears, or hook 'em up to a real audio system with BIG speakers. Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously listened to music on a REAL sound system. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously listened to music on a REAL sound system. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus a pile of pony crap. Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file on an iPod? Apple's lossless compression makes iTunes an audiophile's delight I tested Apple Lossless Encoding using some of my favorite audiophile CDs, including a few from Reference Recordings, maker of some of the highest-quality CDs I've ever heard. I heard absolutely no difference in the sound of the CD vs. the sound of the iTunes compressed version using Apple Lossless Encoding. The only problem I have with this article, and I think it is a big problem, is that the author did not say what kind of sound system he used to make the comparisons. If he was only using small speakers attached to his computer, or worse yet, the built-in speakers, I am sure he would be very hard pressed to detect any differences even if they were actually there. Were he using an audiophile quality system to make his comparisons, and had so stated that, I could give his article more credence. I am sure that Apple's Lossless Encoding is far better than MP3, but the author leaves me guessing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much as more content. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: As to HD radio over earbuds, you would never hear the difference between that and FM, if you could even capture the signal to begin with. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much as more content. Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers. Whadda ya think HD is an abbreviation for? Certainly nothing to do with content. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers. Whadda ya think HD is an abbreviation for? Certainly nothing to do with content. The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qIrveshfIsa/learn/learningcenter/car/hdradio_fa q.html#1 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well, okay, but compared to what? I guess that wasn't a good answer because it comes down to expectation. If all someone has ever heard is recorded music, it is logical to conclude that that is their standard. I am not willing to open the worm can here. But I will say that for those who have heard live acoustic music on a regular basis, the standards are different. No one would argue that a recording of Eva Cassidy sounds exactly like Eva Cassidy. The only argument is how close it comes. That we can approximate it is great. The whole equipment part is secondary to the recording and engineering parts. Which we can't control. We can't even compare Eva Cassidy to herself, because she is no longer with us. But her recorded songs sound good. They soud better on good equipment. Not saying they sound bad anywhere, but that's a fact. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Again HUH? HD stands for Hybrid Digital in radio language it has all to do with programming. Offering different audio streams of different content on a hybrid digital channel. The HD they are talking about for the Ipod/Zune has to do with Video output which has a totally different understanding. (High Definition and has to do with Video Quality) Stewart At 04:20 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers. Whadda ya think HD is an abbreviation for? Certainly nothing to do with content. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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HUH? A decent lower level receiver with a decent set of speakers (I am not talking audio[phile quality) will not set you back much more than what you are spending on your ipods/accessories. Secondly they last a lot longer. Current amp/receiver set up I am using is at least 10 years old. The biggest upgrades I have made is in speakers. (I added a subwoofer) It is Dolby, but not digital. (Although I think it has a digital input have not looked in a long time.) Stewart At 03:44 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously listened to music on a REAL sound system. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. True. Still, stations tout the audio quality when talking up HD radio even though an awful lot of their HD programming is talk stuff where great sound is not an extraordinary prerequisite. My bet is that HD radio is not going to catch on to any great degree and will fade as did stereo AM endeavors. Indeed, if commercial radio does not innovate more and stop the enormous homogenization that is taking place, the whole industry could find itself in trouble. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. Stewart At 08:49 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. True. Still, stations tout the audio quality when talking up HD radio even though an awful lot of their HD programming is talk stuff where great sound is not an extraordinary prerequisite. My bet is that HD radio is not going to catch on to any great degree and will fade as did stereo AM endeavors. Indeed, if commercial radio does not innovate more and stop the enormous homogenization that is taking place, the whole industry could find itself in trouble. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. The two major markets I know the best seem to list most of the stations as having an HD Radio transmitter according to http://www.hdradio.com/. I've been waiting for a portable HD Radio solution that would be affordable. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. Hooks up to the TV, just like my wife's 3-year old iPod. Wow indeed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth. A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's current price, but are introducing a model that is technically several years behind Apple's current models. Taking that into consideration should we not be comparing the Zune HD to models Apple is listing on its refurb pages? That would pretty much eliminate any cost difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And your wife's has that much cleaner interface? Does 720p out? Does HD radio? On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some HD hardware. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. Hooks up to the TV, just like my wife's 3-year old iPod. Wow indeed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth. A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's current price, but are introducing a model that is technically several years behind Apple's current models. Taking that into consideration should we not be comparing the Zune HD to models Apple is listing on its refurb pages? That would pretty much eliminate any cost difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. http://rantsandstuff.com/2009/06/01/nitpicking-the-zune-hd/ It’s the little things like this that make me wonder what else did they not pay that much attention to? They couldn’t have dropped the menu font just a tad to make it fit on the screen? I know I’m nitpicking but shouldn’t someone at Microsoft also be nitpicking this kind of thing? But isn't that the usual problem with M$ products? They copy the competition, but do so in a slovenly way. They don't sweat the details. Using the product is never a happy experience. Wow indeed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote: Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? One of the commentators hit the nail squarely on the head... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Bravo! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. The Zune HD prices look good compared to today's iPod Touches, but not so much compared to the new camera-equipped ones Apple is set to announce next month (16/32/64 GB for $199/299/399). Same price, double the size, and photos. Not bad at all. http://gizmodo.com/5336919/new-ipod-touch-sizes-claims-daring-daring- fireball Better buy that Zune the day it becomes available, because you won't be interested in buying it for many days after. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So first you want to compare it to the first gen ipod touch that are refurb...now you want to compare them to unreleased ipod touches... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. The Zune HD prices look good compared to today's iPod Touches, but not so much compared to the new camera-equipped ones Apple is set to announce next month (16/32/64 GB for $199/299/399). Same price, double the size, and photos. Not bad at all. http://gizmodo.com/5336919/new-ipod-touch-sizes-claims-daring-daring- fireball Better buy that Zune the day it becomes available, because you won't be interested in buying it for many days after. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'll take that as you haven't looked at an specs or reviews of the product. Shocking. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote: Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? One of the commentators hit the nail squarely on the head... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Bravo! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's current price, but are introducing a model that is technically several years behind Apple's current models. [citation needed] Notice how my post said nothing at all about iPod's, it simply extolled how nice the Zune HD was, yet Herr Doctor managed to find a way to Pelosi up the thread. When you have nothing showing in your hand, don't forget the slander. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So first you want to compare it to the first gen ipod touch that are refurb...now you want to compare them to unreleased ipod touches... Those goal posts aren't going to move themselves, you know! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some HD hardware. What is the value in having a 1080p image on a screen of such a tiny size? Even 720 for that matter? Just curious. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I know I'm nitpicking... That's all that really needed to be said. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The zune offers 720 out...meaning you can hook it to a 65 widescreen and get 720p out. Appletv is only 720p right now, they offer no 1080p support on anything apple. Kinda strange for a platform that is targeted for media. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some HD hardware. What is the value in having a 1080p image on a screen of such a tiny size? Even 720 for that matter? Just curious. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: The zune offers 720 out...meaning you can hook it to a 65 widescreen and get 720p out. I understand. I was thinking of watching video at such a resolution on a tiny screen. Thanks. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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-Original Message- From: TPiwowar I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias. FTFY Mac zealots. The best free advertising Microsoft can have. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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From:mike xha...@gmail.com Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? Well, there's: Screen size advertised battery life bluetooth apps (by about 64,000 or so) and of course, availability Because of that last one, the jury is still out on things like actual usability issues, reliability, and app pricing. The upcoming Zune HD's processor and screen technology are ahead of the current generation of iPods and those things are cool, but a lot depends on what is done with them. In Korea, Samsung is advertising a device with the same processor and screen as the Zune HD, but no one believes it is going to kill the iPod (though one reporter jokingly asked if it was a Zune HD-killer), because Samsung gets so much else wrong. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? Well, there's: Screen size (Zune HD) vs. (iPod Touch) 3.3 vs. 3.5 Will you really notice? advertised battery life Music: 33 hours vs. 36 hours Video: 8.5 hours vs. 6 hours The OLED tech comes through here. Bluetooth No word either way on Zune. Assume not. apps (by about 64,000 or so) No contest. Touch wins. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: -Original Message- From: TPiwowar I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias. Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their evil disinformation campaign. Can't prevail on the facts. Can't prevail on the merits. The days when M$ could prevail through dirty tricks are long gone. I'll stick with: M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Too bad the MFB couldn't list any facts. You were asked...several times. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: -Original Message- From: TPiwowar I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias. Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their evil disinformation campaign. Can't prevail on the facts. Can't prevail on the merits. The days when M$ could prevail through dirty tricks are long gone. I'll stick with: M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Too bad the MFB couldn't list any facts. You were asked...several times. As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond the usual. This is a question that won't be answered with any logic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their evil disinformation campaign. BWAHAHAHAHA! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth. http://gizmodo.com/5337532/zune-hd-tv-interface-makes-it-a-media-center-for- your-pocket * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth. http://gizmodo.com/5337532/zune-hd-tv-interface-makes-it-a-media-center-for-your-pocket Wow. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
