Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION

[Olivier Dugeon]

Hi,

About dhcp. It's possible to config. dhcp or pump or dhcpxd deal with an
W$ NT dhcp server (Sorry is my office configuration) ? The pb is that
the same PC booting under W$ which get an IP address become registred
into the W$ dhcp server. But, when you boot this PC under Linux, you get
an IP address different than the precedent one and you are not
registred.

Olivier
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Re: [Cooker] Init hassle

[Sebastian Dransfeld]

On Tue, 30 May 2000, Paul Dorman wrote:

> Hi all again,
> 
> just found out what the problem is: a zero sized inittab in /etc/.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered this? I'll try a temp one and see what
> happens I guess, unless someone could send me the proper one. I'll also
> have a look around the system to see if there are any other zero length
> files. The install process should have baulked at this though.
> 

I got a blank inittab one time that msec didn't function well. (I think
the problem was that it wanted to put a file in tmp/, instead of /tmp/)

Mandrake 7

seb

Re: [Cooker] couple of bugs

[Vincent Danen]

On 29 May 2000, Pixel wrote:

> > The ls-120 was formatted to ext2, but it always does to hdb1.  I've also
> > got a SCSI ZIP drive on the server that is always at sda4.  I think it has
> > to do with the way the disks/drives are done?  I'm not sure, but it's
> > always worked that way for me.
> 
> as for zip's, they are formatted the way hd are, with only a primary part in
> slot 4, very weird.

Yup.. I always thought that was kinda odd too, but now that I know about
it, it doesn't bother me anymore... =)

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[Cooker] turtle beach sound card moontego II

[Walter Lee Queen II]

Hello,
I am having trouble finding the driver to my sound card it
is a turtle beach montego II I also have USB speakers but I can work
around that by installing no-USB speakers tempo untill I find the
driver(s) for that.

Lee Queen
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[Cooker] XFree 4.0 and DPMS and USB happiness

[Randy Welch]

Does it actually work?

I can't seem to get it to do anything with my Matrox G400 and Viewsonic
PS790.

(3.3.6 seems to work or at least under Mandrake 7.0)

On another front I am happy that USB seems to work.  I can get photos
off my Kodak DC290 camera with ks.  I can skip using the wife/kids
Windows PC if I so choose!

-randy

Re: [Cooker] Bad RPMS on EXT ISO (was RE:Problem with Beta 3 ISO)

[David Hart]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Tim & Val Litwiller wrote:
> So  why is your beta 3 iso file different than mine, I have had the best install
> ever with beta 3.   not 1 error all the way thru install, everything works correctly
> when done.

That's part of the problem; the installer doesn't give any errors, it
just doesn't install the bad rpms. I'm grabbing your extensions iso now, just
to do a little more checking. 

-- 
David Hart
Vincity Design
*Proudly sent from Linux Mandrake 6.1*

Re: [Cooker] bug

[Lorne Shantz]

Ahh... yea.. that is different. Tell me this... I set up beta 3 and
selected Grub. seemed nice except Norton Anti Virus no longer works. I
blamed Grub, and removed it. I put lilo in it's place. Made no
difference. ? I'm not sure what is wrong. In any event.. lilo only sees
64 megs of ram and I have 170. I don't recall the exact syntax to add
the memory statement to lilo.conf, and thought maybe I should just put
Grub. How would I go about adding Grub back? with lilo it is just lilo
at the bash prompt. Looks like Grub wants some command line additions.

"Guy T. Rice" wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 28 May 2000, Lorne Shantz wrote:
> > Yup. It is very very very important to create a rescue disk!! That way
> > if you mess up the partition and it no longer sees grub or LILO you
> > can boot with it, type lilo at the bash prompt and you are done. That
> > easy. Without the disk you have to go to a lot of trouble and know what
> > you are doing to get back into it.
> 
> If you're refering to those floppy rescue disks Mandrake offers to create
> during install, it's useless for solving the problem I was using as an
> example.  If the system is bootable using that rescue floppy, it's because
> it was configured for your system.  My problem was, once I plopped a new
> PCI card in my company's webserver, it moved the address of the ide2
> interface, which happens to be where the hard drive is, and Linux isn't
> bootable on that machine unless the proper "ide2=" is
> specified.  Since both LILO and the rescue disk were configured for the
> old address, neither was the slightest bit useful in bringing the system
> back.  I also tried tomsrtbt and it gave me some errors probably related
> to the fact that tomsrtbt uses a crusty old kernel and libc.  I ended up
> creating a GRUB floppy.  Now that I have it, I can boot any system with
> it, no matter what happens to the MBR, the hardware addresses, or whatever.
> I highly recommend keeping a GRUB floppy handy and learning the GRUB
> command line if you're the kind of person who it in the position of having
> to rescue downed computers from time to time.  It's a very useful tool.
> 
> And, as Guillaume mentioned, it's got nice pretty menus.  :)  After the
> aforementioned incident, I replaced LILO with GRUB on all my company's
> computers, and people like it better this way.

Re: [Cooker] About the other Dvorak

[Harry Henry Gebel]

On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 12:44:28AM +0200, Pablo Saratxaga wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:31:37AM -0400, Harry Henry Gebel wrote:
> > One note about using the functional Dvorak, I did have to change the
> > Sawmill keybinding for "Cycle Windows" from Meta-Tab to Alt-Tab, just
> > something to keep in mind, and maybe somebody who knows more about how X
> > keymaps work can figure it out, I always though Meta and Alt where
> You mean you dont have:
> 
> bash$ grep Meta /etc/X11/XF86Config
>LeftAlt Meta

Here is the output:

grep  Meta /etc/X11/XF86Config
#To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift,
LeftAltMeta
RightAlt   Meta

Here is the output from various greps I thought might be helpful:

grep dvorak /etc/X11/XF86Config
XkbLayout   "dvorak"

grep  Meta /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.dvorak
keycode  64 = Alt_L Meta_L

Like I said the keymap that was selected for me when I selected Dvorak
during the installation was a little disfunctional, after I ran the GTK
International Keyboard applet and selected Dvorak there everything worked
fine (except that little thing with the ALT key that only effected sawmill
and that was easily fixed.) Curiously, the fix kept working even after I
stopped loading the applet and deleted my .gnome directory. I grepped my
entire home directory for "dvorak" but came up empty, so I don't know how
the applet did whatever it did to make things work or where it did it.

-- 
Harry Henry Gebel, Senior Developer, Landon House SBS
West Dover Hundred, Delaware

Re: [Cooker] Bad RPMS on EXT ISO (was RE:Problem with Beta 3 ISO)

[Tim & Val Litwiller]

So  why is your beta 3 iso file different than mine, I have had the best install
ever with beta 3.   not 1 error all the way thru install, everything works correctly
when done.

A few small customizations and this install is running better than I have ever seen
a Mandrake install before and I have been using mandrake since ver 5.3.

here I have mounted my iso's in my web server if you want to take a look

http://bcc53.bccks.com/mandrake/

you can download the iso from here if you think it will be any better.





David Hart wrote:

> On Mon, 29 May 2000, root wrote:
> > Apparently none of the packages were installed off this bad CD.  On the
> > other hand, I received no error message.  I didn't even realize that there
> > was a problem until I started missing stuff.
>
> This needs attention fast. I've downloaded and checked the extentions
> iso's from both free.fr and tucows, and both have the same bad rpms all over
> them. Just another reason why I really, really hate the beta=iso plan. Here's
> the output of "rpm -qi -p * 2> " under 7.1b3 for the Mandrake/RPMS2 dir on the
> extensions iso. Comes out to around 250 rpms that haven't been installed in any
> of the beta3 testing we've all been doing.
>
> gimp-devel-1.0.4-14mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gimp-devel-1.0.4-14mdk.i586.rpm failed
> git-4.3.20-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of git-4.3.20-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gkrellm-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gkrellm-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> glade-0.5.5-8mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of glade-0.5.5-8mdk.i586.rpm failed
> Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-9mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-9mdk.noarch.rpm failed
> gnome-chess-0.2.4-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-chess-0.2.4-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-core-devel-1.1.9-7mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-core-devel-1.1.9-7mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-games-devel-1.0.51-8mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-games-devel-1.0.51-8mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-libs-devel-1.0.58-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-libs-devel-1.0.58-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-objc-devel-1.0.40-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-objc-devel-1.0.40-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-pilot-devel-0.1.50-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-pilot-devel-0.1.50-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-pim-devel-1.0.55-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-pim-devel-1.0.55-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-print-devel-0.18-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-print-devel-0.18-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnome-users-guide-1.0.71-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnome-users-guide-1.0.71-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
> gnozip-0.0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnozip-0.0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gnucash-1.3.1-4mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gnucash-1.3.1-4mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gob-0.93.3-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gob-0.93.3-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gperf-2.7-11mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gperf-2.7-11mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gpm-devel-1.19.2-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gpm-devel-1.19.2-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gprolog-1.1.2-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gprolog-1.1.2-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gps-0.7.1-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gps-0.7.1-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> grub-doc-0.5.94-12mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of grub-doc-0.5.94-12mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gtk+mdk-devel-0.1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gtk+mdk-devel-0.1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gtkmm-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gtkmm-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gtkmm-devel-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gtkmm-devel-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
> gtk-themes-1.0-1mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of gtk-themes-1.0-1mdk.noarch.rpm failed
> guavac-1.2-9mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of guavac-1.2-9mdk.i586.rpm failed
> guile-devel-1.3.4-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of guile-devel-1.3.4-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> happy-1.6-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of happy-1.6-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
> haskell-GTK-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of haskell-GTK-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
> haskell-GTK-devel-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM pa

[Cooker] Vote for inclusion in 7.1:Tomsrtbt (198)

[Ian C.Sison]

Being that this really doesn't affect the package as a whole, could i "lobby"
to have it included in 7.1final?


--  Forwarded Message  --
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:21:54 +1000
From: Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> 
> Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I'm sorry, but what does "a post of Ttyso on lmkl explain everything"
> > mean?
> 
> Theodor Tsyo (the maintenner of e2fsprog programs) on the linux kernel
> mailing list if you lurk into the archive explain why the changes was
> needed.

Thanks!  It looks like the latest tomsrtbt (198) solves the problems
with ext2.

-- 

Regards,

Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.
---

Re: [Cooker] About the other Dvorak

[Harry Henry Gebel]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:42:09PM -0500, Guy T. Rice wrote:
> Okay, here's where it starts getting hairy.  In addition to supporting a
> full set of modifier keys (Meta, Alt, Super, and Hyper), X-Windows also
> has "mod keys", mod1 - mod5, which can be associated with particular
> modifier keys.  I don't know how your keymap is set up, but I suspect
> Meta and Alt are set up as seperate keys, but they're both associated
> with "mod1".  Now, a program can be setup to look for Meta, Alt, or mod1.
> If it's looking for Meta or Alt, it'll only see it if you hit the
> appropriate key.  If it's looking for "mod1", it'll see either, since
> you've associated both with "mod1".  Thus, you get the confusing
> behavior of some programs treating your Meta and Alt keys as if they
> were identical and some programs treating them differently.

After reading your message I tried to switch windows using the right ALT
key and sure enough it didn't work; I then went went into the Sawmill
configuration program and used the "Grab Key" button to set it using the
right Alt key and it came up as Mod3-TAB, so the two ALTs are set up
differently. A little experimentation showed the the left "Windows key" was
mapped as Meta, the right Windows key as "Multi_key" and the little key
with the menu on it as "Menu". Thanks for your info, I have been using X
for a long time but I have always pretty much just learned to live with
whatever configuration I got, but it's nice to know a little more about
what's doing on.

-- 
Harry Henry Gebel, Senior Developer, Landon House SBS
West Dover Hundred, Delaware

[Cooker] Bad RPMS on EXT ISO (was RE:Problem with Beta 3 ISO)

[David Hart]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, root wrote:
> Apparently none of the packages were installed off this bad CD.  On the
> other hand, I received no error message.  I didn't even realize that there
> was a problem until I started missing stuff.  

This needs attention fast. I've downloaded and checked the extentions
iso's from both free.fr and tucows, and both have the same bad rpms all over
them. Just another reason why I really, really hate the beta=iso plan. Here's
the output of "rpm -qi -p * 2> " under 7.1b3 for the Mandrake/RPMS2 dir on the
extensions iso. Comes out to around 250 rpms that haven't been installed in any
of the beta3 testing we've all been doing.

gimp-devel-1.0.4-14mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gimp-devel-1.0.4-14mdk.i586.rpm failed
git-4.3.20-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of git-4.3.20-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
gkrellm-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gkrellm-0.9.7-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
glade-0.5.5-8mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of glade-0.5.5-8mdk.i586.rpm failed
Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-9mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-9mdk.noarch.rpm failed
gnome-chess-0.2.4-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-chess-0.2.4-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-core-devel-1.1.9-7mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-core-devel-1.1.9-7mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-games-devel-1.0.51-8mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-games-devel-1.0.51-8mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-libs-devel-1.0.58-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-libs-devel-1.0.58-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-objc-devel-1.0.40-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-objc-devel-1.0.40-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-pilot-devel-0.1.50-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-pilot-devel-0.1.50-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-pim-devel-1.0.55-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-pim-devel-1.0.55-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-print-devel-0.18-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-print-devel-0.18-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnome-users-guide-1.0.71-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnome-users-guide-1.0.71-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
gnozip-0.0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnozip-0.0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
gnucash-1.3.1-4mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gnucash-1.3.1-4mdk.i586.rpm failed
gob-0.93.3-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gob-0.93.3-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gperf-2.7-11mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gperf-2.7-11mdk.i586.rpm failed
gpm-devel-1.19.2-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gpm-devel-1.19.2-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gprolog-1.1.2-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gprolog-1.1.2-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
gps-0.7.1-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gps-0.7.1-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
grub-doc-0.5.94-12mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of grub-doc-0.5.94-12mdk.i586.rpm failed
gtk+mdk-devel-0.1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gtk+mdk-devel-0.1.3-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gtkmm-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gtkmm-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gtkmm-devel-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gtkmm-devel-1.2.0-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
gtk-themes-1.0-1mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of gtk-themes-1.0-1mdk.noarch.rpm failed
guavac-1.2-9mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of guavac-1.2-9mdk.i586.rpm failed
guile-devel-1.3.4-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of guile-devel-1.3.4-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
happy-1.6-2mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of happy-1.6-2mdk.i586.rpm failed
haskell-GTK-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of haskell-GTK-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
haskell-GTK-devel-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of haskell-GTK-devel-0.6.2-3mdk.i586.rpm failed
heartbeat-0.4.7-1mdk.i586.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of heartbeat-0.4.7-1mdk.i586.rpm failed
howto-html-de-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of howto-html-de-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
howto-html-el-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of howto-html-el-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
howto-html-es-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of howto-html-es-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
howto-html-fr-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm does not appear to be a RPM package
query of howto-html-fr-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rpm failed
howto-html-hr-7.1-2mdk.noarch.rp

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Ron Stodden]

Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> 
> Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I'm sorry, but what does "a post of Ttyso on lmkl explain everything"
> > mean?
> 
> Theodor Tsyo (the maintenner of e2fsprog programs) on the linux kernel
> mailing list if you lurk into the archive explain why the changes was
> needed.

Thanks!  It looks like the latest tomsrtbt (198) solves the problems
with ext2.

-- 

Regards,

Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.

Re: [Cooker] Init hassle

[Paul Dorman]

Hi all again,

just found out what the problem is: a zero sized inittab in /etc/.

Has anyone else encountered this? I'll try a temp one and see what
happens I guess, unless someone could send me the proper one. I'll also
have a look around the system to see if there are any other zero length
files. The install process should have baulked at this though.

Best regards,
Paul Dorman.

Paul Dorman wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've just signed up to this list, so I have no idea if this thread has
> been done to death.
> 
> Just intalled beta 3 on a celery 333. Apparently a successful install,
> but I get a strange request for an init level after reboot. If I put in
> 3 or 5 (or anything for that matter) I get:
> 
> Entering runleve: 3
> INIT: Entering runlevel: 3
> INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel
> 
> What's the story here? Is this some new take on the init process?
> 
> Any assistance will be appreciated.
> 
> Best regards,
> Paul Dorman.

[Cooker] RE:Problem with Beta 3 ISO

[root]

I downloaded the 2 isos of mdk 7.1beta3 from ftp.free.fr
   I got some problems : the install program failed to read
   my second CD. At first i thought of a burning error, but
   the second time the same bug did appear.
   So i took a further look at some files on the ext cd.
   For example xxgdb-1.12-15mdk.i586.rpm was not found to
   be a valid rpm archive by rpm. I downloaded the same file
   from an ftp archive, and it looked correct. The 2 files
   had exactly the same size, but when i edited the iso
   version with hexedit, i found that it was completelly filled
   with null bytes !
   I looked at many other files, and found the same problem, but
not
   on all. The same behaviour occured also when i mounted the
iso
   as loopback, so i think it is not a burning problem. I
redownloaded
   the iso a second time, and the md5sum test was correct.

   Has anybody else met the same problem ?

   Pascal Grosse

I had the same problem, as well.  During the install I walked away from
the
machine.  I came back later and it was asking for the 2nd CD.  I
inserted it
waited until it got started, and left the room again.  Apparently none
of the
packages were installed off this bad CD.  On the other hand, I received
no
error message.  I didn't even realize that there was a problem until
I started
missing stuff.  It seems like if rpm fails, it should notice the problem
and ask
what to do..

RC

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION

[David Hart]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Pixel wrote:
> ah... the eternal war between dhcpcd, dhcpxd and pump (and maybe others) 
> it was planned to switch to dhcpxd for 7.1 but it caused quite a few pb :-/

Hmm, dhcpcd is what causes problems for me. Can't get crypto during
install because it's used by default, when I need dhcpxd.

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[Cooker] Init hassle

[Paul Dorman]

Hi all,

I've just signed up to this list, so I have no idea if this thread has
been done to death.

Just intalled beta 3 on a celery 333. Apparently a successful install,
but I get a strange request for an init level after reboot. If I put in
3 or 5 (or anything for that matter) I get:

Entering runleve: 3
INIT: Entering runlevel: 3
INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel

What's the story here? Is this some new take on the init process?

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Best regards,
Paul Dorman.

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Guy T. Rice]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Anton Graham wrote:
> Submitted 29-May-00 by Tom Oehser:
> | 
> | 1.7.185 still doesn't support the ext2-filetypes.
> | 
> | The 1.7.198 I just uploaded (ftp only, not a web link) does.
>  
> Just tested the 198 disk and it works on partitions that 185 won't
> mount, but it is probably too late to add to 7.1 due to the freeze.

Hmm.  The reason for a freeze is because they need to check how different
packages interact, right?  Introducing a new version of package X might
adversely affect package Y, so if they didn't freeze the packages and
versions, they'd *never* finish working out the problems.

None of this would apply to things like tomsrtbt, though.  It's not
something that even gets installed.  It has no effect on the system.
So there's no good reason at all why it couldn't be added to 7.1, is
there?  Saying "we're in feature freeze so no" would be avoiding the
question rather than answering it, as well as displaying ignorance of
the purpose of a freeze.  Correct me if I'm wrong...

> (Kudos, Tom)

Ditto!  Thanks, Tom.

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Alan Shoemaker]

Tomthanks very much for creating the new (1.7.198) version
of tomsrtbt.  I just downloaded it from your ftp site:

ftp://www.toms.net/rb/

It works great with the 7.0 ext2 filesystems that would not
mount when using version 1.7.185.  Thanks for continuing to
provide us with this valuable too.

Alan


Tom Oehser wrote:
> 
> 1.7.185 still doesn't support the ext2-filetypes.
> 
> The 1.7.198 I just uploaded (ftp only, not a web link) does.
> 
> > That seems very old.  I take it that 185 on 2.2 kernels has no ext2
> > problem (as has been my experience).
> 
> It depends on the options that were used when the filesystem was created.
> 
> If the filesystem was created with "turn on all new features and damn the
> torpedos", so to speak, you are torpedoed.  If the filesystem was created
> with "I don't have any reason to think I am actually going to *use* the
> new filetypes feature, so why enable it"?  Then you would be OK.
> 
> -TOm

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Alan Shoemaker]

Tomthere was no question like that on the 7.0 install, the
new ext2 features that are incompatible with tomsrtbt 1.7.185
were used by default when a new filesystem was created by the
install.  I suppose that when an upgrade type install was
performed then the system would still have the older ext2 file
system in place and it would not change.  This would account
for the descripencies in some of the folks experiences with
Mandrake 7.0 and tomsrtbt 1.7.185.

Alan


Tom Oehser wrote:
> 
> 1.7.185 still doesn't support the ext2-filetypes.
> 
> The 1.7.198 I just uploaded (ftp only, not a web link) does.
> 
> > That seems very old.  I take it that 185 on 2.2 kernels has no ext2
> > problem (as has been my experience).
> 
> It depends on the options that were used when the filesystem was created.
> 
> If the filesystem was created with "turn on all new features and damn the
> torpedos", so to speak, you are torpedoed.  If the filesystem was created
> with "I don't have any reason to think I am actually going to *use* the
> new filetypes feature, so why enable it"?  Then you would be OK.
> 
> -TOm

Re: [Cooker] About the other Dvorak

[Pablo Saratxaga]

Kaixo!

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:31:37AM -0400, Harry Henry Gebel wrote:
> One note about using the functional Dvorak, I did have to change the
> Sawmill keybinding for "Cycle Windows" from Meta-Tab to Alt-Tab, just
> something to keep in mind, and maybe somebody who knows more about how X
> keymaps work can figure it out, I always though Meta and Alt where

You mean you dont have:

bash$ grep Meta /etc/X11/XF86Config
   LeftAlt Meta

?

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Re: [Cooker] bug

[Guy T. Rice]

On Sun, 28 May 2000, Lorne Shantz wrote:
> Yup. It is very very very important to create a rescue disk!! That way
> if you mess up the partition and it no longer sees grub or LILO you
> can boot with it, type lilo at the bash prompt and you are done. That
> easy. Without the disk you have to go to a lot of trouble and know what
> you are doing to get back into it. 

If you're refering to those floppy rescue disks Mandrake offers to create
during install, it's useless for solving the problem I was using as an
example.  If the system is bootable using that rescue floppy, it's because
it was configured for your system.  My problem was, once I plopped a new
PCI card in my company's webserver, it moved the address of the ide2
interface, which happens to be where the hard drive is, and Linux isn't
bootable on that machine unless the proper "ide2=" is
specified.  Since both LILO and the rescue disk were configured for the
old address, neither was the slightest bit useful in bringing the system
back.  I also tried tomsrtbt and it gave me some errors probably related
to the fact that tomsrtbt uses a crusty old kernel and libc.  I ended up
creating a GRUB floppy.  Now that I have it, I can boot any system with
it, no matter what happens to the MBR, the hardware addresses, or whatever.
I highly recommend keeping a GRUB floppy handy and learning the GRUB
command line if you're the kind of person who it in the position of having
to rescue downed computers from time to time.  It's a very useful tool.

And, as Guillaume mentioned, it's got nice pretty menus.  :)  After the
aforementioned incident, I replaced LILO with GRUB on all my company's
computers, and people like it better this way.

Re: [Cooker] About the other Dvorak

[Guy T. Rice]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Harry Henry Gebel wrote:
> One note about using the functional Dvorak, I did have to change the
> Sawmill keybinding for "Cycle Windows" from Meta-Tab to Alt-Tab, just
> something to keep in mind, and maybe somebody who knows more about how X
> keymaps work can figure it out, I always though Meta and Alt where
> synonymous, but I guess I was wrong.

Only on keyboards that lack a full set of modifier keys.  On my Sun 
SPARCstation's keyboard, there's a key labeled Alt right next to the Meta
key, so they're obviously separate there.  On my Intel box, things are a
bit more complicated, but I've hacked my keymap to have the left Alt be
Meta and the right Alt be Alt, so different actions can be associated with
Meta or Alt.  I've also make the left winkey Super and the right winkey
Hyper, two other modifier keys that are generally missing on keyboards for
Intel boxes.  And the Menu keys is of course Menu.  This works well with
a lot of software.  Oddly, it does not work well with KDE (one of the
reasons I prefer WindowMaker).  We'll see if 2.0 improves the situation.

> But other programs like XEmacs still
> recognize the Alt key as Meta,just not Sawmill.

Okay, here's where it starts getting hairy.  In addition to supporting a
full set of modifier keys (Meta, Alt, Super, and Hyper), X-Windows also
has "mod keys", mod1 - mod5, which can be associated with particular
modifier keys.  I don't know how your keymap is set up, but I suspect
Meta and Alt are set up as seperate keys, but they're both associated
with "mod1".  Now, a program can be setup to look for Meta, Alt, or mod1.
If it's looking for Meta or Alt, it'll only see it if you hit the
appropriate key.  If it's looking for "mod1", it'll see either, since
you've associated both with "mod1".  Thus, you get the confusing
behavior of some programs treating your Meta and Alt keys as if they
were identical and some programs treating them differently.

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[PaHo HoHo]

>drakboot --expert for grub conf.
>
>So, I saw a bug in grub conf. If you don't specify a root partition, kernel
>panic on next reboot.
>Thomas Poindessous

OK, that's nice to know.  So why isn't 'drakboot --expert' launched by 
default in DrakConf, instead of just 'drakboot'?  Maybe this can be fixed in 
DrakConf before 7.1 is released, because I think it's really useful to be 
able to configure grub without having to ask on the mailing list first ;)

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Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION

[Pixel]

Dmitry Frankstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I would really like to see netcfg added by default to all configurations and
> dhcpxd used by default instead of dhcpcd.

ah... the eternal war between dhcpcd, dhcpxd and pump (and maybe others)

it was planned to switch to dhcpxd for 7.1 but it caused quite a few pb :-/

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION

[Dmitry Frankstein]

I would really like to see netcfg added by default to all configurations and
dhcpxd used by default instead of dhcpcd.

Re: [Cooker] Re: GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION

[Pablo Saratxaga]

Kaixo!

On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:56:09AM -0400, Trelfa, Jonathon wrote:

> What I hate:  There is no "common" copy,cut and paste commands.  For
> example:  I want to copy a URL from a text file in kedit and paste it into
> netscape...doesn't work.  I want to cut some text from an email in kmail and
> paste it into PAN to post in a newsgroup...doesn't work.  Is there a way to

That seems very strange; I have no problem at all to cut and paste
(I tested with konsole to from gnome programs and Netscape).

How are you doing that ?

The commong copy and paste for X11 is to select with the left mouse button,
and paste with the middle button.

> make some sort of OLE (object linking and exchange) that allows all the
> programs to share a common clipboard and support drag-and-drop?

>From what I read KDE 2 will use the standard XDND protocol, so hopefully
those problems will become something of the past.
 
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[Cooker] Mandrake issues with Merge/Win4Lin

[Hoyt]

There are some header problems with Merge/Win4Lin. It seems they don't like
the 586 designation and prefer 686.

Are you guys aware of this issue and working with them to fix it?

I can post more info if you need it.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Anton Graham]

Submitted 29-May-00 by Tom Oehser:
| 
| 1.7.185 still doesn't support the ext2-filetypes.
| 
| The 1.7.198 I just uploaded (ftp only, not a web link) does.
 
Just tested the 198 disk and it works on partitions that 185 won't
mount, but it is probably too late to add to 7.1 due to the freeze.

(Kudos, Tom)

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Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stability: include set6x86

[Stephane Gourichon]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Brook humphrey wrote:

> Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
> stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
> problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.

BTW, there is a utility names "set6x86" or something, that allows changing
the internal flags of the Cyrix processor to enable/disable some subtle
settings.

The most interesting setting for the general user is the one that enables
a low power consumption mode when the processor is idle. The power
dissipated in the proc drops from something about 15-20 watts to 0.1 watts
or so. This greatly reduces the temperature of the proc and keeps it more
stable. (You can even *hear* the difference because it causes a slight
difference in the fan speed, due to difference in power consumption, see
set6x86 documentation for details).

One of my computers is P166+-based, which I let actually run at 120MHz
(2*60) like a P150+ because it seemed to hang often when I ran it at
2*66.6 as it should.

I think it may be interesting to include this tool in future
distributions, and a add a line into the installation process like

grep -i cyrix < /proc/cpuinfo && select_package_for_install 'set6x86...'

(or its perl equivalent).

There is already a rpm for set6x86, there are things that make it
unsuitable for direct inclusion into the distrib:
-no startup script to call at boot time from /etc/rc.d/init.d/
-tool simply assumes the proc is a Cyrix and happily sets the registers
(didn't make any harm to my AMD-K6, but detection is so simple to add)

(I might even do that and offer you a ready-to-include .src.rpm, but I
fear I lack time. If you ask...)

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[Cooker] ATA 66 Issues

[B.Barley]

Hi,

Ok, I finally got around to discovering hdparm, a very useful program.  
I got it to boost the speed of my old ata33 drive by about 10 Meg/sec.  
Now, I'm trying to get it to speed up my ATA66 WD drive and am having 
some serious issues.  I was able to increase the speed by about 2 meg/sec 
with out turning on DMA.  When I try to set the DAM bit to on, it locks 
the harddrive up.  Now, my question is actually two here:
#1: What do I need to get the best performance out of my WD Ata66 Drive? 
 It's about 3 months old.
#2: Could there be a problem with the kernel build that prevents DMA use 
with this drive?  If so, would a rebuild work enabling it?  What options 
were built into the kernel?

Bryan

[Cooker] new netsaint for contrib

[Stefan van der Eijk]

Could the netsaint rpm's be updated? I put some new ones in /incoming.
The fix includes a security fix...

net-wireless-0.2-1mdk.src.rpm
netsaint-0.0.5-1mdk.src.rpm
netsaint-plugins-1.2.8pre2-1mdk.src.rpm 

Thanks,

Stefan

Re: [Cooker] LS120

[Pixel]

Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Could it be that LS120 behaves diferently when it has a "normal" floppy in
> it (showing up as /dev/hdb), from when it gets a "LS-120" floppy (showing
> up as /dev/hdb1)?
> 
> Pixel, what did you test this beast with: normal floppies, LS120
> floppies or both?

i think both, but don't remember quite well... Anyway, you can format it not to
have any partition table... And the one i got has been used to mkbootdisk and is
not partitioned.

Re: [Cooker] 5 install problems, 2.5 solutions

[Harry Henry Gebel]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:55:39AM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> Harry Henry Gebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 4) I have been unable to get my sound card to work. It is an ALS-110 and
> can you send the output of 
> 
> -$ lspci -vv

Here is the output from lspci:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX Host bridge (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440LX/EX - 82443LX/EX AGP bridge (rev 03)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01)
00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 
GTB] (rev 9a)

Also, here is the info from HardDrake:

Vendor: Advance Logic

Model: ALS-110

Bus type: ISA

MPU401: yes

OPL3: yes

DMA2/16: yes


-- 
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West Dover Hundred, Delaware

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances - hdparm

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Eugenio Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> BTW, Chmouel, I noticed that the hdparm in the
> mandrake_everytime sets the dma flag "-d1" without
> setting the "-X" flag. I had some problems with
> Western Digital drives crashing my computer while
> testing, by setting flags one at a time; when I got to
> the -d1 it just crashed the system. If I did it
> together with the -X66 then it was fine.

last time i hear about optimisation, the -X66 crash completely a
*lots* of hard drive.

> Also, the highest mode I could set was -X66 with a
> WDC307 and the Promise Ultra66 card. It says "Speed
> unsupported or something like that. But the drive says
> it supports "UDMA 4"?

dunno sorry (i'm not good with this kind of stuff).

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Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Civileme]

Brook humphrey wrote:
> 
> Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
> stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
> problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.
> 
> diablero wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:11:21PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > > diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > 2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
> > > > swap.
> > >
> > > do you reproduce with the kernel-secure.
> >
> > Yes, my box still crashes :-(
> >
> > > --
> > > MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
> > > In travel.--Chmouel
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Thomas Poindessous
> > EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Unable to reproduce the crash here on an AMD K6-2 

The DoS attack fills up memory and process space for a while,
then dies out  My mouse works jerkily and top reads me the
story, then after about 20 minutes all is normal once more.

Speaking of Cyrix, the MediaGX series are pentium clones but are
recognized as 486s, meaning on the two MediaGXs I support I have
to 

rpm -Uvh --ignorearch file.rpm

instead of using MandrakeUpdate.  THere are not many MediaGXes
out there, but if the change in recognition is simple, it might
be something to include in later distros.

Civileme

And, I recall seeing SUPER CHEAP COMPUTERS built on Cyrix
processors and PCCHips Mobos--the Cyrix processors urped from bad
cooling fans and the mobos died for a number of reasons, but
re-using those Cyrix processors in other rigs produced acceptable
results.  The 6x86 "Coma Bug" was about the worst exploit that
happened

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Brook humphrey]

That is another thing I have heard that they run a little better if you
have extra fans in the cases, etc. but don't expect to much they are
notoriously unstable.

diablero wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:11:31AM -0700, Brook humphrey wrote:
> > Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
> > stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
> > problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.
> 
> I hope so ! This will explain why my box crashes so often. My box is not in
> a cooled room.
> 
> --
> Thomas Poindessous
> EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "diablero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit


> On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:11:31AM -0700, Brook humphrey wrote:
> > Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
> > stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
> > problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.
>
> I hope so ! This will explain why my box crashes so often. My box is not
in
> a cooled room.
>

 Don't attempt to overclock a Cyrix and keep it cool. Double check the
voltage setting on the chip and on the board.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] LS120

[Civileme]

Denis HAVLIK wrote:
> 
> Could it be that LS120 behaves diferently when it has a "normal" floppy in
> it (showing up as /dev/hdb), from when it gets a "LS-120" floppy (showing
> up as /dev/hdb1)?
> 
> Pixel, what did you test this beast with: normal floppies, LS120
> floppies or both?
> 
> cu
> D
> --
> -
> Dr. Denis Havlik
> Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
[Chuckles}

Yes, it does.

You can make a bootable (using a hacked mkbootdisk) /dev/hda1 or
/dev/hdc1 using an LS120 with an LS120 cartridge, but you cannot
make a rescue floppy on /dev/hda or /dev/hdc because mknod()
doesn't like it.  I suppose the LS120 can be located on the slave
positions, but not all BIOSes support booting from those slave
positions.  And LS120s DO allow booting from floppies, just not
making them (writing the boot sector).

It is my practice to equip new machines with LS120 drives and no
floppies because the laser positioner, the general quality, and
the enhanced speed make for a much more reliable device with a
longer service life.  I can buy floppies for $8 US and I have to
pay 7 times that figure for an LS120, and I figure floppies these
days have had the quality wrung out of them by price
competition.  My experience is that six months in service is
enough time that the chances a floppy written by one drive are
70% that it can be read by another.

Civileme

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances - hdparm

[Eugenio Diaz]

--- Hoyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I liked it better in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, British
> spelling or not. And the
> "safe" defaults applied equally to all drives by the
> script are not really
> useful. One should do their own hdparm config to
> wring the most from it.

It is not a good idea to set parameters in your drive
while some processes may be using it, i.e. rc.local!

I just found that today when installing my Promise
Ultra66.

BTW, Chmouel, I noticed that the hdparm in the
mandrake_everytime sets the dma flag "-d1" without
setting the "-X" flag. I had some problems with
Western Digital drives crashing my computer while
testing, by setting flags one at a time; when I got to
the -d1 it just crashed the system. If I did it
together with the -X66 then it was fine.

Also, the highest mode I could set was -X66 with a
WDC307 and the Promise Ultra66 card. It says "Speed
unsupported or something like that. But the drive says
it supports "UDMA 4"?

=

Eugenio Diaz, BSEE/BSCE   
Linux Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[diablero]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:11:31AM -0700, Brook humphrey wrote:
> Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
> stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
> problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.

I hope so ! This will explain why my box crashes so often. My box is not in
a cooled room.

-- 
Thomas Poindessous
EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Re: [Cooker] XF4??

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "qumak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mandrake Cooker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 12:09 PM
Subject: [Cooker] XF4??


> I'm sorry, but how do I run XF4 instead of 3.3.6?  I have the XF4 stuff
> installed and the XF86Config-4 file set up properly...how do i tell it to
load
> XF4 instead?

Change the X link in /etc/X11 to point to the new binary,
/use/X11R6/bin/XFree86 intsead of the old one (like XF86_SVGA).

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] Lnx4win change

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "Alexandre Dussart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] Lnx4win change


> > I advise them to copy the lnx4win directory to a partition, alter the
batch
> > file and install from there. I assume it works for them sincei don't
hear
> > back (it worked for me last time I did it). I have the same problem
because
> > my Windows CD-ROM drives are placed at R:\ and S:\ - not a choice in the
> > batch file.
>
> This limitation is obsolete since Lnx4Win has been incorporated to
> DrakX. The only Windows part is autorun.exe now.
>

Great to hear that! (Hmmm -- must be time for another review).

However, it will come up as people still use older versions of Mandrake (I
still see RedHat 5.1 being used and they are [foolishly] reluctant to
upgrade). Perhaps as an update to 7.0? Or I could write something for Tom at
MUO. I get one or two emails a month on it.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] 7.1 iso beta3 bug reporting

[Jose Antonio Becerra Permuy]

El lun, 29 may 2000, escribiste:
> Jose Antonio Becerra Permuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > - Soundcard doesn't work properly in Acer TravelMate 513TE.  I have
> 
> Can you give your lspci ?

This is the funny part (from /proc/pci):

  Bus  0, device   8, function  0:
Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technologies 3D Audio 1969 (rev 2).
  Medium devsel.  Fast back-to-back capable.  IRQ 5.  Master Capable.  Latency=32. 
 Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=24.
  I/O at 0x7800 [0x7801].
  I/O at 0x7850 [0x7851].
  I/O at 0x7870 [0x7871].
  I/O at 0x7890 [0x7891].
  I/O at 0x78a4 [0x78a5].

So, OSS esssolo1 driver would have to work, but I have a lot of
problems with it. I was not able of listening a mp3 file, only a CD audio after
changing volume (it doesn't matter initial or final volume, I had to change
it). After these problems, I tried ALSA es1938 driver (the one which comes in
7.1 beta3) and the soundcard works perfect now.
Greetings.

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Civileme]

Ron Stodden wrote:
> 
> Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> 
> > Tomsrtbt don't support newly ext2 file system (kernel 2.0.* based) so
> > it's useless.
> 
> Your information is incorrect.   I cannot imagine the source of your
> information.
> 
> Are you talking about the tomsrtbt distributed with L-M 6.1?   I have
> used it many times with no problems to recover L-M 6.1 and 7.0
> problems.   I have also used the latest 185 version of tomsrtbt with
> perfect results.
> 
> I suggest that it be included in 7.1
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ron. [AU] - sent by Mandrake Linux.


Try chroot

Civileme

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Dependencies

[diablero]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 08:00:58PM +0400, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> Could there be a dependency check also at rpm removal ?
> I mean something like 'package B and C were only dependent of the package A you
> just removed. Do you want to remove them also ?'

urpme

But maybe it would check if the package is not in "base" because urpme perl
takes a long time ...

> -- 
> Guillaume Rousse
> Iremia - Université de la Réunion
> 
> Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.
 

-- 
Thomas Poindessous
EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Re: [Cooker] [discus]: contrib

[Stefan van der Eijk]

> > Why does contrib contain some (old-) cooker packages?
> >
> > I always had the impression that contrib contains packages
> > that aren't as apealing for the general user (and therefore
> > didn't make it into the main distro)..
> 
> about perl it's because lots of people prefers using the old perl rather
> than the 5.6.0
Sure... I'm wondering if contrib is the right place for those packages.
Maybe a separtate are should be created for the "old-perl" packages.
Just
take the cooker src.rpm's compile them with a system that has the old
perl
on it, and place them there... That way the bugs get taken out of those
packages (they stay on the same development level as the cooker
packages) and the old-perl-people get their packages

But there are some other packages besides the perl related ones... out
of the top of my skul: roxen ?

greetz,

Stefan

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Dependencies

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Could there be a dependency check also at rpm removal ?
> I mean something like 'package B and C were only dependent of the package A you
> just removed. Do you want to remove them also ?'

urpme is your friend.

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION: Testing on all platforms

[Stefan van der Eijk]

Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> 
> Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > What I've seen happening a few times is that a change in
> > a package causes it to refuse to build on an other platform.
> >
> > The Mozilla team has come up with tinderbox to make sure that
> > the stuff is tested & builds on all platforms, and to show
> > what went wrong... See:
> >
> > http://www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html
> >
> > If you get more than 10 developers together without tools, there is
> > going to be an explosion. Tinderbox keeps this potentially explosive
> > situation under control.
> 
> yep, we are under the process of changing the way we upload new packages:
> we would rather upload the SRPM, and a robot shall try to recompile it on
> the various (validated) architectures before "enabling" it.

Perfect!!!

(you guys are making me drool ;-) )

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Brook humphrey]

Sorry to let you down but the most of the cyrix processors have had
stability problems. I see this problem allot in my computer store. The
problem is most likely not with the kernel but your processor.

diablero wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:11:21PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > 2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
> > > swap.
> >
> > do you reproduce with the kernel-secure.
> 
> Yes, my box still crashes :-(
> 
> > --
> > MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
> > In travel.--Chmouel
> >
> 
> --
> Thomas Poindessous
> EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

[Cooker] XF4??

[qumak]

I'm sorry, but how do I run XF4 instead of 3.3.6?  I have the XF4 stuff
installed and the XF86Config-4 file set up properly...how do i tell it to load
XF4 instead?
--james

Re: [Cooker] mpg player

[qumak]

On Wed, 10 May 2000, you wrote:
> Bobby Dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there a chance that the distro can include a better mpg movie player?
> 
> we have mpegtv on commercial cd.
> 
> > Aktion is really choppy and there is no sound.
> 
> > 
> > What about mpg123?
> 
> is playing *.mp3
check out zzplayer (http://www.chez.com/tsc/zzplayer/zzplayer.html)
its not perfect, but for most mpegs it plays them much nicer than xanim
--qumak

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:11:21PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > 2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
> > > swap. 
> > 
> > do you reproduce with the kernel-secure.
> 
> Yes, my box still crashes :-(

I hate Dos attack :\.

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

RE: [Cooker] Downloader X

[brista]

That would be something good to include, I'd second that. I wish that Gnome
1.2.0 and KDE 2.0 are included in the final release of the distribution as
well. Just my two cents.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Darin Peshev
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 12:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Cooker] Downloader X


hello,
I wish that Downloader X is included in Mandrake. This is downloader
similar to
JetCar, NetAnts and GetSmart. It monitors clipboard, splits downloads into
many pieces,
resumes interrupted transfer of course, supports proxies. As far as i know
there is no
better downloader for Linux. Its URL is http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/

Best Regards,
Darin

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Denis HAVLIK]

:~>"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:~>
:~>> "I'm afraid, it will be a *lot* of work for us [Denis+me] to 100% follow
:~>> the mailing lists and also internal discussions that are currently very
:~>> heavy; "
:~>
:~>Denis and Guillaure are official coordinator and collecting request
:~>for cooker, but others mandrakesoft people participe.
:~>

Two of us are supposed to make sure that info does not go unnoticed. Of
coarse other people take part in the discussion (try stopping chmouel or
pixel from it .-), but only two of us really have to "officially" take
notes. And we do not feel lonely at all, do not worry.

cu
Denis
 -- 
-
Dr. Denis Havlik
Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
---oOO--(_)--OOo-

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Dependencies

[Guillaume Rousse]

Could there be a dependency check also at rpm removal ?
I mean something like 'package B and C were only dependent of the package A you
just removed. Do you want to remove them also ?'

-- 
Guillaume Rousse
Iremia - Université de la Réunion

Sleep doesn't exists. Just lack of cafeine.

[Cooker] RE: Possible Bug [more info]

[Icebreaker]

Icebreaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Ok, I managed to find a bunch of errors that I overlooked when I
> posted the first time.  Any Ideas?

Do you have an adsl modem ?

I'm not quite sure I follow you.  Here's what I do know:  It's a 
Lucent Soft Modem, I have the ltmodem 568.  The modem module/device 
worked on 2.2.15-0.20mdk, but not on 2.2.15-0.24mdk.  It also worked 
on 2.2.14-15mdk.  This is a pre-compiled module, so I can not 
recompile it.  It was compiled on 2.2.12 Red Hat stock, from the 
documentation.  I'm hoping that all I have to do is install another 
package, maybe something that was separated from the kernel around 
2.2.15-0.20mdk?

Any Ideas?


--
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

Re: [Cooker] 7.1 iso beta3 bug reporting

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Jose Antonio Becerra Permuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   - Soundcard doesn't work properly in Acer TravelMate 513TE.  I have

Can you give your lspci ?

> replaced OSS driver with ALSA driver and it works well now:
> /etc/conf.modules (before): ...  alias sound esssolo1 ...
> /etc/conf.modules (after): ...  alias char-major-116 snd alias
> snd-card-0 snd-card-es1938 alias char-major-14 soundcore alias
> sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias
> sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12
> snd-pcm-oss ...
> 
>   - XFree 4.0 configuration in installation is not correct in Acer
> TravelMate 513TE. The line driver="vga" must be replaced by driver="neomagic".
> XFree 3.3.6 is correct.
> 

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

Re: [Cooker] LS120

[Denis HAVLIK]

Could it be that LS120 behaves diferently when it has a "normal" floppy in
it (showing up as /dev/hdb), from when it gets a "LS-120" floppy (showing
up as /dev/hdb1)?

Pixel, what did you test this beast with: normal floppies, LS120
floppies or both?

cu
D
-- 
-
Dr. Denis Havlik
Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quality Assurance  (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
---oOO--(_)--OOo-

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[diablero]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:11:21PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
> > swap. 
> 
> do you reproduce with the kernel-secure.

Yes, my box still crashes :-(
 
> -- 
> MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
> In travel.--Chmouel
> 

-- 
Thomas Poindessous
EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "I'm afraid, it will be a *lot* of work for us [Denis+me] to 100% follow
> the mailing lists and also internal discussions that are currently very
> heavy; "

Denis and Guillaure are official coordinator and collecting request
for cooker, but others mandrakesoft people participe.

-- 
MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
In travel.--Chmouel

[Cooker] 7.1 iso beta3 bug reporting

[Jose Antonio Becerra Permuy]

- KDE apps don't work with LC_ALL=es@tradicional (it works in 7.0):
QFont::load: Internal error

- xmms doesn't work if LANGUAGE=es:
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkItemFactory: invalid entry path `Invertir lista'
Gtk-WARNING **: GtkItemFactory: invalid entry path `Modo de
visualizacion'
Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkObject'

Error de segmentacion
...

- Soundcard doesn't work properly in Acer TravelMate 513TE.  I have
replaced OSS driver with ALSA driver and it works well now:
/etc/conf.modules (before):
...
alias sound esssolo1
...
/etc/conf.modules (after):
...
alias char-major-116 snd
alias snd-card-0 snd-card-es1938
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
...

- XFree 4.0 configuration in installation is not correct in Acer
TravelMate 513TE. The line driver="vga" must be replaced by driver="neomagic".
XFree 3.3.6 is correct.

Re: [Cooker] bug

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Lorne Shantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Yup. It is very very very important to create a rescue disk!! That way
> if you mess up the partition and it no longer sees grub or LILO you
> can boot with it, type lilo at the bash prompt and you are done. That
> easy. Without the disk you have to go to a lot of trouble and know what
> you are doing to get back into it. 

however, the new rescue, which is on the CDROM [just type "rescue" at
prompt of the CD boot], can do a good job too.

but you're right, for such issues the boot disk is the best solution :-).


-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau

Re: [Cooker] bug

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

"Seth chandler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> shoot, one more question, as i'm sure you're already aware, they fixed lilo 
> so it works past 1024 cyls anyway, so, is there a point to use grub then?  

apart from technical points written by Guy Rice, Grub also has this neat
little menu you can operate with the arrows of your keyboard, which is
nice.

-- 
Guillaume Cottenceau

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[diablero]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:54:27PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> Albert Ricart Casadevall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, 29 May 2000, PaHo HoHo wrote:
> > 
> > About GRUB, I don't know exactly if this is the correct solution but if
> > you go to /boot/grub, you'll found a executable script called something
> > like install... execute it and Grub will reappear, it worked for me :)
> 
> install.sh, or use drakboot.

drakboot --expert for grub conf.

So, I saw a bug in grub conf. If you don't specify a root partition, kernel
panic on next reboot.
 
> -- 
> MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
> In travel.--Chmouel
> 

-- 
Thomas Poindessous
EpX asso GNU/Linux de l'Epita
[EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.epita.fr/~epx

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Hoyt]

> "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Just =two= people for such an important project? Surely MandrakeSoft can
do
>
>  Do you see only two mandrakesoft employment on Cooker ?
> Pixel/Guillaume/Me read and participe to everything, others answer to
> his subject.
>

Sorry --  Guillaume Cottenceau in his post indicated only two peolpe were
doing the data mining:

"I'm afraid, it will be a *lot* of work for us [Denis+me] to 100% follow
the mailing lists and also internal discussions that are currently very
heavy; "

Now they won't feel so alone.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] [discus] Openness about build systems (kenobi, etc)

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm very very curios which packages & which configuration is running on
> Mandrake's build system. This because I build the distro on my systems
> once a week. Knowing which packages are on Kenobi (the build system)
> could reduce the time I'm trying to puzzle why something isn't
> building on my sys.
> 
> A simple "rpm -qa | sort" will often do fine.

(but it changes when we need this or that library for builds..)


[gc@kenobi ~/rpm] cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 5
model name  : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 451.030646
cache size  : 512 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
pse36 mmx fxsr
bogomips: 901.12

processor   : 1
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 5
model name  : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 451.030646
cache size  : 512 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
pse36 mmx fxsr
bogomips: 897.84


Okay, here are the packages:

AnotherLevel-1.0-1mdk
BitchX-75p3-11mdk
Device3Dfx-2.3.4-4mdk
DrakConf-0.52-17mdk
ElectricFence-2.2.0-10mdk
GXedit-1.23-3mdk
Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-2mdk
Glide_V3-devel-2.60.15-3mdk
Hermes-1.2.6-1mdk
Hermes-devel-1.2.6-1mdk
ImageMagick-5.1.1-9mdk
MAKEDEV-2.5-6mdk
MandrakeUpdate-7.1-7mdk
Mesa-3.1-14mdk
Mesa-common-3.1-14mdk
Mesa-common-devel-3.1-14mdk
Mesa-demos-3.1-14mdk
Mesa-devel-3.1-14mdk
MySQL-3.22.32-5mdk
MySQL-client-3.22.32-5mdk
MySQL-devel-3.22.32-5mdk
MySQL-shared-libs-3.22.32-5mdk
ORBit-0.5.1-2mdk
ORBit-devel-0.5.1-2mdk
SDL-1.0.8-3mdk
SDL-devel-1.0.8-3mdk
SDL_mixer-1.0.4-2mdk
SDL_mixer-devel-1.0.4-2mdk
SysVinit-2.78-2mdk
TiMidity++-2.9.0-3mdk
USB-guide-1.0.9-1mdk
WMRack-1.0b5-8mdk
WindowMaker-0.62.1-11mdk
WindowMaker-devel-0.62.1-11mdk
Wnn-devel-4.2-10mdk
X11R6-contrib-3.3.6-3mdk
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-3.3.6-13mdk
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-3.3.6-13mdk
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-FBDev-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-VGA16-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-XF86Setup-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-Xnest-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-Xvfb-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-3.3.6-13mdk
XFree86-cyrillic-fonts-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-devel-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-doc-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-libs-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-server-common-3.3.6-14mdk
XFree86-xfs-3.3.6-14mdk
Xaw3d-1.5-5mdk
Xaw3d-devel-1.5-5mdk
aalib-1.2-6mdk
aalib-devel-1.2-6mdk
abisuite-0.7.9-1mdk
adjtimex-1.9-1mdk
aktion-0.4.1-4mdk
alsa-0.5.7-3mdk
alsa-lib-0.5.7-4mdk
alsa-lib-devel-0.5.7-5mdk
alsa-source-0.5.7-3mdk
am-utils-6.0.3-4mdk
anacron-2.1-4mdk
apache-1.3.12-10mdk
apache-1.3.12-12mdk
apache-devel-1.3.12-12mdk
apmd-3.0final-5mdk
arkeia-client-4.2.8-3
ash-0.2-21mdk
asis-3.12p-11mdk
at-3.1.7-14mdk
audiofile-0.1.9-3mdk
audiofile-devel-0.1.9-3mdk
aumix-2.6-3mdk
authconfig-2.0-2mdk
autoconf-2.13-2mdk
autoirpm-0.3-2mdk
autoirpm-0.3-5mdk
automake-1.4-8mdk
awesfx-0.4.3a-7mdk
basesystem-7.1-4mdk
bash-2.04-3mdk
bash-doc-2.04-3mdk
bash1-1.14.7-21mdk
bc-1.05a-8mdk
bdflush-1.5-15mdk
bin86-0.4-12mdk
bind-8.2.2P5-5mdk
bind-utils-8.2.2P5-5mdk
binutils-2.9.5.0.31-1mdk
bison-1.28-4mdk
blt-2.4i-9mdk
bonobo-0.9-1mdk
bonobo-devel-0.9-1mdk
byacc-1.9-5mdk
bzip2-0.9.5d-9mdk
cdp-0.33-7mdk
cdrecord-1.8.1-2mdk
cdrecord-cdda2wav-1.8.1-2mdk
cdrecord-devel-1.8.1-2mdk
chkconfig-1.0.8-8mdk
chkfontpath-1.7-1mdk
cleanfeed-0.95.7b-8mdk
compat-glibc-5.3-2.0.7.6mdk
compat-libs-5.3-7mdk
console-tools-0.2.3-1mdk
control-center-1.0.53-4mdk
control-center-devel-1.0.53-4mdk
cpio-2.4.2-15mdk
cproto-4.6-5mdk
cracklib-2.7-10mdk
cracklib-devel-2.7-10mdk
cracklib-dicts-2.7-10mdk
crontabs-1.7-8mdk
ctags-3.4-18mdk
cvs-1.10.8-1mdk
cxhextris-1.0-23mdk
detect-0.9.42-1mdk
detect-devel-0.9.42-1mdk
dev-2.7.12-14mdk
dhcpcd-1.3.18pl5-2mdk
dhcpxd-1.0.3-3mdk
dialog-0.6-8mdk
diffstat-1.27-11mdk
diffutils-2.7-18mdk
docbook-3.1-13mdk
dpsftplib-0.1.6-2mdk
dpsftplib-devel-0.1.6-2mdk
drakfont-0.40-11mdk
drakxtools-1.1.1-7mdk
dump-0.4b16-3mdk
e2fsprogs-1.18-5mdk
e2fsprogs-devel-1.18-5mdk
ed-0.2-17mdk
ee-0.3.11-5mdk
egcs-1.1.2-28mdk
egcs-c++-1.1.2-28mdk
egcs-cpp-1.1.2-28mdk
eject-2.0.2-7mdk
elm-2.5.3-3mdk
emacs-20.6-8mdk
emacs-X11-20.6-8mdk
emacs-el-20.6-8mdk
emacs-leim-20.6-8mdk
emacs-nox-20.6-8mdk
enlightenment-conf-0.15-11mdk
eperl-2.2.14-3mdk
esound-0.2.17-2mdk
esound-devel-0.2.17-2mdk
etcskel-1.63-3mdk
exmh-2.1.1-5mdk
expect-5.28-18mdk
faces-1.6.1-10mdk
faces-devel-1.6.1-10mdk
fakeroot-0.4.4-1mdk
fbset-2.1-6mdk
fdutils-5.3-10mdk
fetchmail-5.3.8-2

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION: Testing on all platforms

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Stefan van der Eijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What I've seen happening a few times is that a change in
> a package causes it to refuse to build on an other platform.
> 
> The Mozilla team has come up with tinderbox to make sure that
> the stuff is tested & builds on all platforms, and to show 
> what went wrong... See:
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html
> 
> If you get more than 10 developers together without tools, there is
> going to be an explosion. Tinderbox keeps this potentially explosive
> situation under control. 

yep, we are under the process of changing the way we upload new packages:
we would rather upload the SRPM, and a robot shall try to recompile it on
the various (validated) architectures before "enabling" it.


-- 
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Re: [Mandrake] Re: [tomsrtbt] Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Ian C.Sison]

Hmmm, given that version 7.1 is on freeze, does the freeze include utlities like
this?  Tomsrtbt is really a very good alternative for a rescue system, as it
only needs one disk to work as opposed to 1 disk+cdrom for the standard rescue.

You can't really expect a server with a busted fs to have a CDROM drive eh?
Besides, there's a lot of space left on the second CD right??

\8)



On Mon, 29 May 2000, you wrote:
> There are 2 issues.  "sparse-superblock" support and
> "ext2-filetypes" suport.  Tomsrtbt-1.7.185 supports
> "sparse-superblock" support but not "ext2-filetypes".
> 
> Whether "ext2-filetypes" presents a problem depends on
> the options that were used with mke2fs when you created
> the filesystem.
>
> It is not exactly true to say that there has been no
> progress on one that works with all of it, I have had
> it working for some time and have delayed releasing it
> for other reasons.
> 
> I guess it is true after all that there seems to be none...
> 
> Mostly, I have just not had time to finish the hard things
> I want to get done to it, including various interesting ways
> to make potentially a lot more space available with no loss
> in functionality.
> 
> I suppose I should get *something* uploaded, even if it doesn't
> include the other (more interesting) enhancements, and even if
> I don't properly test it.
> 
> So, ACCORDINGLY, I have uploaded:
> 
>  ftp://ftp.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt-1.7.198.tar.gz
> 
> and
> 
>  ftp://ftp.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt-1.7.198.dos.zip
> 
> Which are a pale untested shadow of what I really want to do for
> a next version, but, they will at least work with ext2-filetypes
> and sparse-superblocks, so, take em and test em and include em
> and let me know what works and what doesn't.
> 
> -Tom
> 
> On Mon, 29 May 2000, Ian C.Sison wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:16 +0800
> > From: Ian C.Sison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [tomsrtbt] Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt
> > 
> > On Mon, 29 May 2000, you wrote:
> > > Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Tomsrtbt don't support newly ext2 file system (kernel 2.0.* based) so
> > > > it's useless.
> > > 
> > > Your information is incorrect.   I cannot imagine the source of your
> > > information.
> > > 
> > > Are you talking about the tomsrtbt distributed with L-M 6.1?   I have
> > > used it many times with no problems to recover L-M 6.1 and 7.0
> > > problems.   I have also used the latest 185 version of tomsrtbt with
> > > perfect results.
> > > 
> > > I suggest that it be included in 7.1
> > 
> > It does not work. I can confirm that.  e2fsck will say that the filesystem is
> > not supported.
> > 
> > Tom is working on a new version which will support the new ext2 formats, but
> > there seems to be no progress yet...
> >

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Anton Graham]

Submitted 30-May-00 by Ron Stodden:

| That seems very old.  I take it that 185 on 2.2 kernels has no ext2
| problem (as has been my experience).
| 
| So it should be restored as part of the Mandrake 7.1 distribution.

That conversation was in April.  As Tom said, 185 does not have the
patch to deal with ext2-filetype and thus will not work on a new
install with freshly formatted partitions.  If you have a 2.2.x kernel
on your 185 disk, then you put it there, because it comes with 2.0.37.

If/when Tom patches the kernel on his disk, I'll start using it again
myself.  But, it would be unprofessional to provide a rescue disk that
will not function for the vast majority of installations.

FWIW, there was a similar conversation on the list during the Oxygen
beta and the reasons are still valid.

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Re: [Cooker]

[John Johnson]

> > There's a program called LinNeighbourhood I saw on some no namer distro.
> > Will post url for copy if somebody wants it [binary only :-(]
>
> dont post those highlights without an url, ok?:-
>
 Well I don't know about the no namer distro but it's compiled in Mandrake
rpm format now.. you can get it at
http://www.cyberbytesbbs.com/rpm.php3

-John

Re: [Cooker] announce: lincvs-0.3alpha1

[Lenny Cartier]

Tilo Riemer wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> new version 0.3alpha1 of LinCVS released.
> see:
> http://ppprs1.phy.tu-dresden.de/~trogisch/lincvs/lincvsen.html
> 
> ChangeLog:
> -new configuration file system implemented (based on AppConf from Karsten
> Ballueder & Vadim Zeitlin)
> -convenient way for adding files in cvs directories
> view of the log messages in tree and list form and diff between different
> revisions (based on code from Cervisia, thanks to Bernd Gehrmann)
> -module browser in the checkout/import dialog
> -possibility for disabling/enabling of directories in Workbench for scanning
> -new choose-dir-dialog as workaround for trouble with qt-2.1; it works now
> with qt-2.1 also
> -indicating of modified files in directories after opening of dir
> -opening file with double click in editor (choose your preferred editor in
> the configuration file (for instance: "cooledit" or "xterm -exec vi"))
> -now you can modifiy the intervall for checking status of files in current
> directory, if the cpu usage on your machine is too high (see cfg file:
> CHECKSTATUSINTERVALL)
> 
> cu, Tilo

thanks tilo !
will have a look at it ! :)
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Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Tom Oehser]

1.7.185 still doesn't support the ext2-filetypes.

The 1.7.198 I just uploaded (ftp only, not a web link) does.

> That seems very old.  I take it that 185 on 2.2 kernels has no ext2
> problem (as has been my experience).

It depends on the options that were used when the filesystem was created.

If the filesystem was created with "turn on all new features and damn the
torpedos", so to speak, you are torpedoed.  If the filesystem was created
with "I don't have any reason to think I am actually going to *use* the
new filetypes feature, so why enable it"?  Then you would be OK.

-TOm

Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm sorry, but what does "a post of Ttyso on lmkl explain everything"
> mean?

Theodor Tsyo (the maintenner of e2fsprog programs) on the linux kernel
mailing list if you lurk into the archive explain why the changes was
needed.

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Re: [Mandrake] Re: [tomsrtbt] Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Tom Oehser]

There are 2 issues.  "sparse-superblock" support and
"ext2-filetypes" suport.  Tomsrtbt-1.7.185 supports
"sparse-superblock" support but not "ext2-filetypes".

Whether "ext2-filetypes" presents a problem depends on
the options that were used with mke2fs when you created
the filesystem.
   
It is not exactly true to say that there has been no
progress on one that works with all of it, I have had
it working for some time and have delayed releasing it
for other reasons.

I guess it is true after all that there seems to be none...

Mostly, I have just not had time to finish the hard things
I want to get done to it, including various interesting ways
to make potentially a lot more space available with no loss
in functionality.

I suppose I should get *something* uploaded, even if it doesn't
include the other (more interesting) enhancements, and even if
I don't properly test it.

So, ACCORDINGLY, I have uploaded:

 ftp://ftp.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt-1.7.198.tar.gz

and

 ftp://ftp.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt-1.7.198.dos.zip

Which are a pale untested shadow of what I really want to do for
a next version, but, they will at least work with ext2-filetypes
and sparse-superblocks, so, take em and test em and include em
and let me know what works and what doesn't.

-Tom

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Ian C.Sison wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:16 +0800
> From: Ian C.Sison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [tomsrtbt] Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt
> 
> On Mon, 29 May 2000, you wrote:
> > Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > 
> > > Tomsrtbt don't support newly ext2 file system (kernel 2.0.* based) so
> > > it's useless.
> > 
> > Your information is incorrect.   I cannot imagine the source of your
> > information.
> > 
> > Are you talking about the tomsrtbt distributed with L-M 6.1?   I have
> > used it many times with no problems to recover L-M 6.1 and 7.0
> > problems.   I have also used the latest 185 version of tomsrtbt with
> > perfect results.
> > 
> > I suggest that it be included in 7.1
> 
> It does not work. I can confirm that.  e2fsck will say that the filesystem is
> not supported.
> 
> Tom is working on a new version which will support the new ext2 formats, but
> there seems to be no progress yet...
> 

Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just =two= people for such an important project? Surely MandrakeSoft can do

 Do you see only two mandrakesoft employment on Cooker ?
Pixel/Guillaume/Me read and participe to everything, others answer to
his subject.

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Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances - hdparm

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > >
> > > - I can't turn off hard drive optimizations.  I turned it on when I
> > > installed cooker, just to see how it worked, and it doesn't seem to make
> > > much of a difference, save for a few errors on the console about my IDE
> > > hardware, so I really want to turn it off.  As far as I can see, there's
> no
> > > place in DrakConf to turn this off.  Any idea where I can disable it?
> > >
> 
> 
> It used to be in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, then got moved (I think) to
> /etc/rc.d/rc.system, now it's in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime. Just
> comment out or delete.

You can active them by set-up :

HDPARM=yes

in /etc/sysconfig/system

> I liked it better in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, British spelling or not. And the
> "safe" defaults applied equally to all drives by the script are not really
> useful. One should do their own hdparm config to wring the most from it.
> 
> Is rc.local called before or after mandrake_everytime? I don't recall.

after.

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Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances - hdparm

[Anton Graham]

Submitted 29-May-00 by Hoyt:

| Is rc.local called before or after mandrake_everytime? I don't recall.

mandrake_everytime is called by /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit before any SysV
runlevel scripts are run.  rc.local is a called as a SysV runlevel
script (S99local) as the last script called before entering runlevels
2-5.

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Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Ron Stodden]

Anton Graham wrote:
 
> I have it from Tom Oehser himself:
> 
> Ah.  Known issues.  They changed the defaults for mke2fs so that
> filesystems are created with ``sparse-superblocks'' and sometimes with
> ``ext2-filetype'' support.  Tomsrtbt-1.7.185 fixed the sparse superblock
> issue, the next one will fix the ext2-filetype one, I am hoping for the
> kernel 2.0.39 to be released someday, if it doesn't I'll just apply the
> patch.  For the sparse you can just get 1.7.185, for the ext2-filetype
> you would have to either replace 2.0.37 with a 2.2.x kernel or apply the
> 2.0.39-pre patches and rebuild.

That seems very old.  I take it that 185 on 2.2 kernels has no ext2
problem (as has been my experience).

So it should be restored as part of the Mandrake 7.1 distribution.

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Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Ron Stodden]

Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:

> my source hugh come from :
> 
> fs/ext2/
> 
> and the new information storing for ext2 (a post of Ttyso on lmkl
> explain everything).

I'm sorry, but what does "a post of Ttyso on lmkl explain everything"
mean?

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Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Hoyt]

- Original Message -
From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos


> "Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> I'm afraid, it will be a *lot* of work for us [Denis+me] to 100% follow
> the mailing lists and also internal discussions that are currently very
> heavy; so reading through recent archives would be very difficult, taking
> also in account that the guys on this mailing list are informed of this
> discussion process, so they can re-think what they always critized in
> Mandrake, and tell us!
>

Just =two= people for such an important project? Surely MandrakeSoft can do
better? Hire some temporary help to sift through the data and organize it.
Better data usually means better decisions; it is money well spent.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances - hdparm

[Hoyt]

> >
> > - I can't turn off hard drive optimizations.  I turned it on when I
> > installed cooker, just to see how it worked, and it doesn't seem to make
> > much of a difference, save for a few errors on the console about my IDE
> > hardware, so I really want to turn it off.  As far as I can see, there's
no
> > place in DrakConf to turn this off.  Any idea where I can disable it?
> >


It used to be in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, then got moved (I think) to
/etc/rc.d/rc.system, now it's in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime. Just
comment out or delete.

I liked it better in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, British spelling or not. And the
"safe" defaults applied equally to all drives by the script are not really
useful. One should do their own hdparm config to wring the most from it.

Is rc.local called before or after mandrake_everytime? I don't recall.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[PaHo HoHo]

>From: Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>there is drakboot, tis in DrakConf.

Not in my version, but I'll upgrade soon.

>run "sh /boot/grub/install.sh"

I'll try this.

>edit /etc/sysconfig/system

But is there a GUI way to do this?  I would have thought it would be in 
"Startup Services" of DrakConf, but I can't tell if any of those things in 
the list are what I want (btw, there should be descriptions next to each 
service listed there so people know what they are--tooltips aren't obvious 
enough).  Anyway, I'll edit that file then, but I just think options like 
this should have a place in DrakConf.

>(boot runlevels)
>i think linuxconf does it too.

Well, this is how I used to do it, but Linuxconf doesn't seem to have this 
option anymore.  It used to be in Miscellaneous services, but now when I 
choose that it says "No misc services registered", so I can't use Linuxconf 
for it anymore.

>otherwise edit /etc/inittab ;p
>
Yes, this is the obvious way.  But it's not GUI :P

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Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION initial RPM choice

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Initial RPM choice is all but practical.
> When you select any package, depending packages are also installed, but without
> be signaled. So, if you change your mind and unselect the first one, there is
> no way to unselect the others. rpmdrake does it, so why not the install
> programm ?

No, you used the option "automatic dependencies".

If you did not, it would have warned you of every propagated dependencies.

> Also, there should be a way to store the chosen rpm list in a file
> automatically, so as to retrieve it later, for example.
> All this comes from my first experience with SuSE, which was more functional
> for this :-)

yep. taken in account.

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Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[PaHo HoHo]

>Albert Ricart Casadevall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>install.sh, or use drakboot.
>

In my version of DrakBoot, it has a button that says "Configure LILO/GRUB".  
I click it and all it lets me do is add, change or remove boot entries.  
There is no option for selecting whether I want to use LILO or GRUB 
anywhere.  Maybe DrakBoot has been updated since my version though.

By the way, I know I could figure this out by going to the command line and 
searching the directories and looking at scripts and the like, but if 
Mandrake is aiming to be a user-friendly Linux distro, it better have a way 
to configure basic things like this through a GUI as well.  Isn't that the 
whole idea?  As far as most other things go, Mandrake is really good that 
way.  I'm just trying to point out where it looks like things are missing.

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Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

Albert Ricart Casadevall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, 29 May 2000, PaHo HoHo wrote:
> 
> About GRUB, I don't know exactly if this is the correct solution but if
> you go to /boot/grub, you'll found a executable script called something
> like install... execute it and Grub will reappear, it worked for me :)

install.sh, or use drakboot.

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Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[Pixel]

"PaHo HoHo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

> - I was booting with GRUB fine for a while, and I really liked it.  Then I 
> changed my LILO settings by accident one time in Linuxconf and now it boots 
> with LILO every time.  I can't get back to booting with GRUB.  It's really 
> annoying.  I have no idea how to get GRUB back.  I've checked Linuxconf 
> everywhere and DrakConf everywhere, and neither of them say anything about 
> GRUB.  There should really be a configuration program for it, don't you 
> think?

there is drakboot, tis in DrakConf.

run "sh /boot/grub/install.sh"

> 
> - I can't turn off hard drive optimizations.  I turned it on when I 
> installed cooker, just to see how it worked, and it doesn't seem to make 
> much of a difference, save for a few errors on the console about my IDE 
> hardware, so I really want to turn it off.  As far as I can see, there's no 
> place in DrakConf to turn this off.  Any idea where I can disable it?

edit /etc/sysconfig/system

> 
> - It's difficult to figure out where in DrakConf you can change your startup 
> runlevel from 3 to 5.  I had it set to 3 at first, but then I wanted to 
> change it back to 5.  I realized after much trouble that by clicking on the 
> DrakConf "X Configuration" button, sometimes it asks you the question "do 
> you want to start X on boot?" and so I chose yes and it changed the 
> runlevel.  But this is really not obvious and hard to find.

i think linuxconf does it too. otherwise edit /etc/inittab ;p

Re: [Cooker] couple of bugs

[Pixel]

Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 28 May 2000, Pixel wrote:
> 
> > > Here it worked a little different.  It created /mnt/floppy to /dev/hdb
> > > (which is the LS-120), but the LS-120 disks must be mounted as /dev/hdb1
> > > for it to work. 
> > 
> > quite strange. works non formatted here... is it common place to have it
> > formatted (like zip's which is on hdX4)
> 
> The ls-120 was formatted to ext2, but it always does to hdb1.  I've also
> got a SCSI ZIP drive on the server that is always at sda4.  I think it has
> to do with the way the disks/drives are done?  I'm not sure, but it's
> always worked that way for me.

as for zip's, they are formatted the way hd are, with only a primary part in
slot 4, very weird.

Re: [Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[Albert Ricart Casadevall]

On Mon, 29 May 2000, PaHo HoHo wrote:

About GRUB, I don't know exactly if this is the correct solution but if
you go to /boot/grub, you'll found a executable script called something
like install... execute it and Grub will reappear, it worked for me :)

> I'll just list them:
> 
> - spelling mistakes in the shared program menus:
>- "Magnyfing glass" in Amusements|Toys should be "Magnifying Glass"
>- "Backgroung" in Gnome|Settings|Desktop should be "Background"
> 
> - several broken links in the shared program menus, such as "DOS Emulator" 
> in Applications|Emulators; it seems as if some programs haven't even been 
> installed, yet they are in the menus
> 
> - the GNOME Theme Selector doesn't work at all.  I click it in the GNOME 
> Configuration Tool and it just doesn't show anything in the window, save for 
> the Try, Revert, OK and Cancel buttons at the bottom.  I would really like 
> to change my GNOME theme, but there doesn't seem to be any way to do that.
> 
> - I was booting with GRUB fine for a while, and I really liked it.  Then I 
> changed my LILO settings by accident one time in Linuxconf and now it boots 
> with LILO every time.  I can't get back to booting with GRUB.  It's really 
> annoying.  I have no idea how to get GRUB back.  I've checked Linuxconf 
> everywhere and DrakConf everywhere, and neither of them say anything about 
> GRUB.  There should really be a configuration program for it, don't you 
> think?
> 
> - I can't turn off hard drive optimizations.  I turned it on when I 
> installed cooker, just to see how it worked, and it doesn't seem to make 
> much of a difference, save for a few errors on the console about my IDE 
> hardware, so I really want to turn it off.  As far as I can see, there's no 
> place in DrakConf to turn this off.  Any idea where I can disable it?
> 
> - It's difficult to figure out where in DrakConf you can change your startup 
> runlevel from 3 to 5.  I had it set to 3 at first, but then I wanted to 
> change it back to 5.  I realized after much trouble that by clicking on the 
> DrakConf "X Configuration" button, sometimes it asks you the question "do 
> you want to start X on boot?" and so I chose yes and it changed the 
> runlevel.  But this is really not obvious and hard to find.
> 
> - In general I find that system administration/configuration is really 
> fragmented and disorganized.  DrakConf has a bunch of buttons just laid 
> about everywhere with no particular order.  There are two RPM/packaging 
> programs (Kpackage and RPMDrake) that can be launched from DrakConf--why is 
> this?  This is inconsistent and redundant.  There really only should be one 
> that can be launched from DrakConf.  As well, you have both an "X 
> Configuration" button and "Change X Resolution".  There should only be one X 
> configuring tool!  It makes no sense to have two buttons that do similar 
> things.  It's confusing and silly.  As well, some of the other buttons in 
> DrakConf are just launchers for parts of the Linuxconf program.  Just leave 
> Linuxconf there and take the other buttons out.  The administrator can go to 
> Linuxconf to all this, so why take up additional space in DrakConf if it's 
> unnecessary?  I just find that there is a lot of redundancy in the program.
> 
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Re: [Cooker] GET READY FOR A DISCUSSION - Kudos

[Guillaume Cottenceau]

"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Denis HAVLIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I am going to spend a lot of time in reading "newbie" and "expert" mailing
> > > lists during next two weeks. Guillaume  will do the same on the
> > > "cooker" list, and other members of the company may pop-up and take 
> > > part in discussion too, for topics they may be particularly interested in
> > > (and if they get time to do it, our schedule is bursting).
> > 
> 
> 
> I am impressed with your approach. It is no wonder that Mandrake is as
> successful as it is.
> 
> A search of the recent archives and a look at the usenet group archives
> would also be useful. I assume that the comments on programs like KDE
> and GNOME that have their own large development groups will be shared
> with them.

I'm afraid, it will be a *lot* of work for us [Denis+me] to 100% follow
the mailing lists and also internal discussions that are currently very
heavy; so reading through recent archives would be very difficult, taking
also in account that the guys on this mailing list are informed of this
discussion process, so they can re-think what they always critized in
Mandrake, and tell us!


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Guillaume Cottenceau

[Cooker] cooker bugs/annoyances

[PaHo HoHo]

I'll just list them:

- spelling mistakes in the shared program menus:
   - "Magnyfing glass" in Amusements|Toys should be "Magnifying Glass"
   - "Backgroung" in Gnome|Settings|Desktop should be "Background"

- several broken links in the shared program menus, such as "DOS Emulator" 
in Applications|Emulators; it seems as if some programs haven't even been 
installed, yet they are in the menus

- the GNOME Theme Selector doesn't work at all.  I click it in the GNOME 
Configuration Tool and it just doesn't show anything in the window, save for 
the Try, Revert, OK and Cancel buttons at the bottom.  I would really like 
to change my GNOME theme, but there doesn't seem to be any way to do that.

- I was booting with GRUB fine for a while, and I really liked it.  Then I 
changed my LILO settings by accident one time in Linuxconf and now it boots 
with LILO every time.  I can't get back to booting with GRUB.  It's really 
annoying.  I have no idea how to get GRUB back.  I've checked Linuxconf 
everywhere and DrakConf everywhere, and neither of them say anything about 
GRUB.  There should really be a configuration program for it, don't you 
think?

- I can't turn off hard drive optimizations.  I turned it on when I 
installed cooker, just to see how it worked, and it doesn't seem to make 
much of a difference, save for a few errors on the console about my IDE 
hardware, so I really want to turn it off.  As far as I can see, there's no 
place in DrakConf to turn this off.  Any idea where I can disable it?

- It's difficult to figure out where in DrakConf you can change your startup 
runlevel from 3 to 5.  I had it set to 3 at first, but then I wanted to 
change it back to 5.  I realized after much trouble that by clicking on the 
DrakConf "X Configuration" button, sometimes it asks you the question "do 
you want to start X on boot?" and so I chose yes and it changed the 
runlevel.  But this is really not obvious and hard to find.

- In general I find that system administration/configuration is really 
fragmented and disorganized.  DrakConf has a bunch of buttons just laid 
about everywhere with no particular order.  There are two RPM/packaging 
programs (Kpackage and RPMDrake) that can be launched from DrakConf--why is 
this?  This is inconsistent and redundant.  There really only should be one 
that can be launched from DrakConf.  As well, you have both an "X 
Configuration" button and "Change X Resolution".  There should only be one X 
configuring tool!  It makes no sense to have two buttons that do similar 
things.  It's confusing and silly.  As well, some of the other buttons in 
DrakConf are just launchers for parts of the Linuxconf program.  Just leave 
Linuxconf there and take the other buttons out.  The administrator can go to 
Linuxconf to all this, so why take up additional space in DrakConf if it's 
unnecessary?  I just find that there is a lot of redundancy in the program.

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[Cooker] Lnx4win change

[Hoyt]

Modify the install.bat file to prompt for the drive letter of the CD-ROM and
the drive letter of the target partition rather than hard code the drives. I
have received several letters (due to my review of lnx4win) that have
mentioned install problems because their drive availability did not match up
to what was accepted in the batch file.

I advise them to copy the lnx4win directory to a partition, alter the batch
file and install from there. I assume it works for them sincei don't hear
back (it worked for me last time I did it). I have the same problem because
my Windows CD-ROM drives are placed at R:\ and S:\ - not a choice in the
batch file.

Hoyt

[Cooker] announce: lincvs-0.3alpha1

[Tilo Riemer]

Hi,

new version 0.3alpha1 of LinCVS released. 
see:
http://ppprs1.phy.tu-dresden.de/~trogisch/lincvs/lincvsen.html

ChangeLog:
-new configuration file system implemented (based on AppConf from Karsten
Ballueder & Vadim Zeitlin) 
-convenient way for adding files in cvs directories 
view of the log messages in tree and list form and diff between different
revisions (based on code from Cervisia, thanks to Bernd Gehrmann) 
-module browser in the checkout/import dialog 
-possibility for disabling/enabling of directories in Workbench for scanning 
-new choose-dir-dialog as workaround for trouble with qt-2.1; it works now
with qt-2.1 also 
-indicating of modified files in directories after opening of dir 
-opening file with double click in editor (choose your preferred editor in
the configuration file (for instance: "cooledit" or "xterm -exec vi")) 
-now you can modifiy the intervall for checking status of files in current
directory, if the cpu usage on your machine is too high (see cfg file:
CHECKSTATUSINTERVALL) 


cu, Tilo

[Cooker] Update dosutils

[Hoyt]

Include the most recent rawritewin.exe.

Replace rawrite.exe with rawrite2.

Make text files in dosutils DOS text files with a .txt extension so they can
be easily read in DOS/Windows - this what people that typically use these
utilities are running at the time they are trying to use them. Same with the
README in /images since it gives the info for DOS-based installs - -and
change the name to something more informative.

Also include in /images a text file that explians how to create and use the
rescue disk.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[Chmouel Boudjnah]

diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
> swap. 

do you reproduce with the kernel-secure.

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Re: [Cooker] [discus]: contrib

[Lenny Cartier]

Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
> 
> Why does contrib contain some (old-) cooker packages?
> 
> I always had the impression that contrib contains packages
> that aren't as apealing for the general user (and therefore
> didn't make it into the main distro)..

about perl it's because lots of people prefers using the old perl rather
than the 5.6.0

-- 
lenny

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Re: [Cooker] Tomsrtbt

[Hoyt]

>
> I have it from Tom Oehser himself:
>
> Ah.  Known issues.  They changed the defaults for mke2fs so that
> filesystems are created with ``sparse-superblocks'' and sometimes with
> ``ext2-filetype'' support.  Tomsrtbt-1.7.185 fixed the sparse superblock
> issue, the next one will fix the ext2-filetype one, I am hoping for the
> kernel 2.0.39 to be released someday, if it doesn't I'll just apply the
> patch.  For the sparse you can just get 1.7.185, for the ext2-filetype
> you would have to either replace 2.0.37 with a 2.2.x kernel or apply the
> 2.0.39-pre patches and rebuild.
>


It would be easier to include tomsrtbt as an image that could be copied to a
floppy with dd or rawrite rather than going through the disk creation
process. This is what I do on my "modified" Mandrake CD's.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] Debconf in RPM

[Hoyt]

>
> So you need to have a conf tool for each package which need conf.
> It will great if we can have a conf tool for packages like ssh, ftp,
apache
> etc.. Maybe linuxconf or something like that or a generic conf tool with
> plug-ins ...
>


Webmin?

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] [discuss] wine configuration

[Hoyt]

.
>
>
> Easy wine configuration stuff should happen at some point; I just don't
think
> it should be quite yet.
>

The easiest WINE config would be :

1. A config file pre-configured for a dual-boot computer with the assumption
that Windows is installed in a standard way on drive C:\ (Perhaps a CD-ROM
could be configured for r:\?) -- /etc/wine.conf.windows
2. A config file pre-configured for a Linux-only computer with no Windows
installed -- /etc/wind.conf.linux
3. The "stock" config file -- /etc/wine.conf.default.

If WINE is selected for install, a post-install script could select from one
of the three, copying it to /etc/wine.conf - it could even check for the
presence of C:\ and make the choice automatically.

Then WINE would run "out of the box". If the user later upgraded, then they
would have to determine if /etc/wine.conf was appropriately configured, but
at least they would have a starting point.

I would also suggest that each config file include a few examples of how to
run, from the command line,  a few typically-installed Windows programs,
especially those in C:\Program Files (that funky syntax).

If WINE is installed, adding commonly installed programs to AppFinder and
adding them to the menu automatically would be even nicer.

Hoyt

Re: [Cooker] Discussion : better stabilit

[diablero]

On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:10:48PM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:47:10AM +0200, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
> > > diablero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> > > > I just retried. I have a cooker mandrake. My box crashed.
> > > 
> > > what kernel ?
> > 
> > 2.2.15-0.28mdk
> > bash-2.04-3mdk
> > glibc-2.1.3-5mdk
> > 
> > cat /proc/version
> > Linux version 2.2.15-0.28mdk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc
> > version 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)) #1 Thu Apr 27 00:22:53 PDT 2000
> 
> 15-0.28 are pre kernel, can you try with one of the latest cooker
> please ?

2.2.15-11mdk, same problem. I have a Cyrix 166, 80 Mo of Ram and 150 Mo of
swap. 

 
> -- 
> MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com
> In travel.--Chmouel
> 

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