Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-20 Thread Ben Reser
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:39:15PM +0100, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> Now Per Øyvind Karlsen stepped forward about the "dsniff" package, it will 
> maybe be fixed tonight or tomorrow. This package was a nightmare to get it to 
> compile, once it did, I ran the softwares and didn't notice anything 
> strange..., the thing is they don't segfault right away...

Well that's excusable.  The alternative to removing packages is to
downgrade them.  If there's a version that was working.  Get the spec
out of CVS, update the release tag, increase the epoch if neessary,
write a changelog explaining the downgrade and reupload it.

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-20 Thread Oden Eriksson
onsdagen den 20 november 2002 21.20 skrev Ben Reser:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:24:35PM +0100, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> > Ok, thank you.
> >
> > What if I needed help with something?
> >
> > For example the "DarwinStreamingServer-Admin" package is screwy, and
> > lately the softwares in the "dsniff" package segfaults, I have asked for
> > help several times but no one has stepped forward. Should I just ask
> > Mandrake to delete these from contribs?
>
> IMHO yes.  Until you think they are decent.  Yes this is a development
> tree.  But that doesn't mean we should be uploading broken packages...
> Though if a project is in process and it's made clear of that in the
> changelog then I guess that's okay.  But the problem (especially with
> contribs) of uploading broken packages is that the fact the package is
> broken gets forgetten and ends up getting released with the final
> version.  Then people think Mandrake sucks because they released broken
> stuff.  We'd be better off not to have something than having something
> that's broken.

OK, I will ask them to delete these packages. I will release a new  
"DarwinStreamingServer" suite without the damn web admin stuff, I think I 
will drop the "DarwinStreamingServer-Media" package too. That damn admin 
stuff is a piece of junk anyway, so I don't think people would miss it too 
much...

Now Per Øyvind Karlsen stepped forward about the "dsniff" package, it will 
maybe be fixed tonight or tomorrow. This package was a nightmare to get it to 
compile, once it did, I ran the softwares and didn't notice anything 
strange..., the thing is they don't segfault right away...

I think it would be very interesting and also very useful to have the "dsniff" 
package working... So anyone who can help out to solve this mystery is 
invited to my hall of fame :)

Chears.
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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-20 Thread Ben Reser
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:24:35PM +0100, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> Ok, thank you.
> 
> What if I needed help with something?
> 
> For example the "DarwinStreamingServer-Admin" package is screwy, and lately 
> the softwares in the "dsniff" package segfaults, I have asked for help 
> several times but no one has stepped forward. Should I just ask Mandrake to 
> delete these from contribs?

IMHO yes.  Until you think they are decent.  Yes this is a development
tree.  But that doesn't mean we should be uploading broken packages...
Though if a project is in process and it's made clear of that in the
changelog then I guess that's okay.  But the problem (especially with
contribs) of uploading broken packages is that the fact the package is
broken gets forgetten and ends up getting released with the final
version.  Then people think Mandrake sucks because they released broken
stuff.  We'd be better off not to have something than having something
that's broken.

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enough." - Jim Nichols




Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-20 Thread Oden Eriksson
onsdagen den 20 november 2002 01.30 skrev Ben Reser:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 05:24:49PM +0100, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> > I'm sorry but..., if I where to test everything as people expect even
> > though I commit only cooker contribs, aka. _development_ stuff..., all my
> > time would be spent on that. I have to rely on bugreports. Now..., I
> > seldom get any bugreports..., either people are lazy or I do a very well
> > job... I could test everything as desired but then I need foundings from
> > MandrakeSoft in form of equipment, education and a salary... I strongly
> > doubt I will get any of this... So..., there you have it.
>
> If you're building, installing and making sure the program works then
> you're doing all the testing that I'm suggesting.  I'm not asking you to
> prove that the code is correct or something.  A simple cursory install
> and test of the software.

Ok, thank you.

What if I needed help with something?

For example the "DarwinStreamingServer-Admin" package is screwy, and lately 
the softwares in the "dsniff" package segfaults, I have asked for help 
several times but no one has stepped forward. Should I just ask Mandrake to 
delete these from contribs?

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-19 Thread Ben Reser
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 05:24:49PM +0100, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> I'm sorry but..., if I where to test everything as people expect even though I 
> commit only cooker contribs, aka. _development_ stuff..., all my time would 
> be spent on that. I have to rely on bugreports. Now..., I seldom get any 
> bugreports..., either people are lazy or I do a very well job... I could test 
> everything as desired but then I need foundings from MandrakeSoft in form of 
> equipment, education and a salary... I strongly doubt I will get any of 
> this... So..., there you have it.

If you're building, installing and making sure the program works then
you're doing all the testing that I'm suggesting.  I'm not asking you to
prove that the code is correct or something.  A simple cursory install
and test of the software.

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enough." - Jim Nichols




Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-19 Thread Oden Eriksson
torsdagen den 14 november 2002 20.33 skrev Ben Reser:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:23:00AM +0100, Luca Olivetti wrote:
> > I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build
> > procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that
> > fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be
> > many less broken packages (I hope).
>
> The developer should be doing a build on their own machine *BEFORE* they
> upload it to any system that is going to do an automated build.  And
> ports should only be building packages that have already been built and
> tested on i586.
>
> Unfortunately, so many times people upload packages without bother to
> even test them.  Yes mistakes will get made.  But I have to wonder how
> packages with syntax errors in the perl scripts get uploaded  Only
> thing I can see is that someone didn't bother to test the package first.
>
> Ultimately this small change will not solve the problem of untested
> rpms that are screwy.  It will still be a problem, until developers take
> responsibility for their packages.

I'm sorry but..., if I where to test everything as people expect even though I 
commit only cooker contribs, aka. _development_ stuff..., all my time would 
be spent on that. I have to rely on bugreports. Now..., I seldom get any 
bugreports..., either people are lazy or I do a very well job... I could test 
everything as desired but then I need foundings from MandrakeSoft in form of 
equipment, education and a salary... I strongly doubt I will get any of 
this... So..., there you have it.

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-15 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 20:33, Ben Reser a écrit :
> Unfortunately, so many times people upload packages without bother to
> even test them.
Are you suggesting PLF peoples should actually test their package before 
uploading? You're crazy, they are far too many rootkits inside :-)
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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Gwenole Beauchesne
Hi,


OTOH I have seen quite a few RPMS that were build only on the  packagers
machine. That person rpm now depends on  libraries  that  exist  on  his
machine the don't exist in mdk-cooker.


Huh, which packages? This can't be true anymore as there are machine 
checks. Yeah, that was possible some time ago but Warly strenghtened the 
rules. What happens sometimes is indeed one machine of the cluster fails 
to synchronize with others. :-/

Bye,
Gwenole




Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Ben Reser
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 10:17:04PM +0100, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
> Define "build system".
> 
> It's a mix of cooker & contrib, and never the same (packages being 
> installed & de-installed all the time). There is little that is going to 
> make sure that a package built today will have the same functionality as 
> a package today. It's by sheer coincidence that it goes right most of 
> the time (ImageMagick and xawtv are recent examples of when it went wrong).

Yeah I understand that.  I'm not saying that process couldn't be
improved.  But you know what I mean...

> Package quality can be tested in an automated manner. My rebuilding 
> scripts check the filelist, provides and requires of packages when they 
> have been rebuilt. This is information which is readly available by 
> querying the resulting rpm --> should be easy to implement some kind of 
> automatic system around this.
> 
> Functionality of packaged software will require manual testing of the 
> package B4 uploading. I'll be honest, the alpha (unsupported distro) 
> packages my script uploads are not tested. The packages where I change 
> the BuildRequires are not tested either. It's not good, I know.

I was mostly referring to functionality.  But yes package quality can be
automated to a degree.  But never completly.  There will always be
errors that slip by the test scripts.

> It happens... :-((

But it shouldn't.  

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Ben Reser wrote:


On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:10:42PM +0059, Han Boetes wrote:
 

OTOH I have seen quite a few RPMS that were build only on the  packagers
machine. That person rpm now depends on  libraries  that  exist  on  his
machine the don't exist in mdk-cooker. ie Don't upload binaries built on
your machine and use the mdk build-hosts to make them.
   


Yes well the binaries should still be built on the build system.


Define "build system".

It's a mix of cooker & contrib, and never the same (packages being 
installed & de-installed all the time). There is little that is going to 
make sure that a package built today will have the same functionality as 
a package today. It's by sheer coincidence that it goes right most of 
the time (ImageMagick and xawtv are recent examples of when it went wrong).

I'm just asking for a bit of testing before they get put there to build. :)


Package quality can be tested in an automated manner. My rebuilding 
scripts check the filelist, provides and requires of packages when they 
have been rebuilt. This is information which is readly available by 
querying the resulting rpm --> should be easy to implement some kind of 
automatic system around this.

Functionality of packaged software will require manual testing of the 
package B4 uploading. I'll be honest, the alpha (unsupported distro) 
packages my script uploads are not tested. The packages where I change 
the BuildRequires are not tested either. It's not good, I know.

Most Perl makefiles support the test target. When I make a  Perl-SRPM  I
turn on that test target just to make sure everything is OK.
   


Yes but mostly I'm referring to the Mandrake perl tools.  E.g. how many
times has urpmi or various other drake tools been uploaded with a syntax
error that breaks them.


It happens... :-((


Difficult situation. But indeed it is better to wait  at  least  to  the
next day when you release a package. Don't rush  it  out.  After  a  few
releases I learned to recognize the feel of the rush and that I  had  to
sit on my hands and wait until the next  morning  after  the  coffee  to
double-check everything.
   


Exactly my point.






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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Ben Reser
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:10:42PM +0059, Han Boetes wrote:
> OTOH I have seen quite a few RPMS that were build only on the  packagers
> machine. That person rpm now depends on  libraries  that  exist  on  his
> machine the don't exist in mdk-cooker. ie Don't upload binaries built on
> your machine and use the mdk build-hosts to make them.

Yes well the binaries should still be built on the build system.  I'm
just asking for a bit of testing before they get put there to build. :)

> Most Perl makefiles support the test target. When I make a  Perl-SRPM  I
> turn on that test target just to make sure everything is OK.

Yes but mostly I'm referring to the Mandrake perl tools.  E.g. how many
times has urpmi or various other drake tools been uploaded with a syntax
error that breaks them.

> Difficult situation. But indeed it is better to wait  at  least  to  the
> next day when you release a package. Don't rush  it  out.  After  a  few
> releases I learned to recognize the feel of the rush and that I  had  to
> sit on my hands and wait until the next  morning  after  the  coffee  to
> double-check everything.

Exactly my point.

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Gwenole Beauchesne wrote:


Hi,


I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build 
procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that 
fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will 
be many less broken packages (I hope).


Exactly! Too maintainers simply don't care about their packages. This 
is a means to bring attention to possible new files added through 
packages updates and also fix existing packages that have missing files.

Can something also be implemented to check BuildRequires? --> Would help 
the ports a LOT.

It's quite simple to implement: only upload the src.rpm and let the 
upload robot rebuild it in a clean environment (basesystem + rpm-build) 
plus installing the BuildRequires. As a matter of fact, I've been doing 
this with the alpha port for a while now...

Stefan



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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
Luca Olivetti wrote:


Olivier Thauvin wrote:


Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 09:20, Stefan van der Eijk a écrit :


The rpm package is the victim of itself, lol!

Stefan

RPM build errors:
   Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
  /usr/include/beecrypt/base64.h




I like this feature I think it was missing, but a warning would be 
better to begin than an error... lot of package will failed on 
rebuild. :)


I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build 
procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that 
fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will 
be many less broken packages (I hope).

Mandrake has no automated rebuilding process to track the impact of 
these kind of changes on their packages. A rebuild = a new upload.

Stefan



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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Han Boetes
Ben Reser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:23:00AM +0100, Luca Olivetti wrote:
>
> > I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has  an  automated  build
> > procedure, a warning will probably go  unnoticed,  while  a  package
> > that fails to build will surely  get  a  maintainer  attention.  The
> > result will be many less broken packages (I hope).
>
> The developer should be doing a build on their  own  machine  *BEFORE*
> they upload it to any system that is going to do an  automated  build.
> And ports should only be building  packages  that  have  already  been
> built and tested on i586.

OTOH I have seen quite a few RPMS that were build only on the  packagers
machine. That person rpm now depends on  libraries  that  exist  on  his
machine the don't exist in mdk-cooker. ie Don't upload binaries built on
your machine and use the mdk build-hosts to make them.


> Unfortunately, so many times people upload packages without bother  to
> even test them. Yes mistakes will get made. But I have to  wonder  how
> packages with syntax errors in the perl scripts get uploaded  Only
> thing I can see is that someone didn't  bother  to  test  the  package
> first.

Most Perl makefiles support the test target. When I make a  Perl-SRPM  I
turn on that test target just to make sure everything is OK.


> Ultimately this small change will not solve the  problem  of  untested
> RPMS that are screwy. It will still be  a  problem,  until  developers
> take responsibility for their packages.

Difficult situation. But indeed it is better to wait  at  least  to  the
next day when you release a package. Don't rush  it  out.  After  a  few
releases I learned to recognize the feel of the rush and that I  had  to
sit on my hands and wait until the next  morning  after  the  coffee  to
double-check everything.


I also make packages for OpenBSD and the knowledge of that  build-system
is very useful for making RPMS, vice versa as well btw.



//Han
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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Han Boetes
Buchan Milne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> IMHO, a more useful exit would be when a file listed in  %doc  doesn't
> exist. At the moment, if one file in %doc is missing,  all  the  files
> after it are excluded, *silently*. You only get the warning about  one
> missing file, %doc exits  non-zero,  but  rpm  happily  builds  a  bad
> package.
> This has caused samba to ship with only about 15% of it's docs  for  a
> number of (not-in-final-distro) releases.

You are absolutely right but that is another problem. It has nothing  to
do with the problem I just described here. :)



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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Ben Reser
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 11:23:00AM +0100, Luca Olivetti wrote:
> I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build 
> procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that 
> fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be 
> many less broken packages (I hope).

The developer should be doing a build on their own machine *BEFORE* they
upload it to any system that is going to do an automated build.  And
ports should only be building packages that have already been built and
tested on i586.  

Unfortunately, so many times people upload packages without bother to
even test them.  Yes mistakes will get made.  But I have to wonder how
packages with syntax errors in the perl scripts get uploaded  Only
thing I can see is that someone didn't bother to test the package first.

Ultimately this small change will not solve the problem of untested
rpms that are screwy.  It will still be a problem, until developers take
responsibility for their packages.

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enough." - Jim Nichols




Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Ben Reser
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:48:42PM +0100, Gwenole Beauchesne wrote:
> Exactly! Too maintainers simply don't care about their packages. This is 
> a means to bring attention to possible new files added through packages 
> updates and also fix existing packages that have missing files.

So fire them.  And if they aren't staff take away their permissions to
modify the tree.  There are plenty of us out there that do care and are
willing to do a good job packaging.  

Ultimately bad packagers will still be bad packagers.  This is one
problem.  There are many others that they can make.  There are dozens of
things that rpmlint warns about but yet packages still get uploaded
with pathetic rpmlint errors in them.

You have a people problem.  A technical solution will not solve your
problem.  

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Buchan Milne
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Han Boetes wrote:
> Gwenole Beauchesne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>>Exactly! Too maintainers simply don't care about their packages.  This
>>is a means to bring attention to  possible  new  files  added  through
>>packages updates and also fix  existing  packages  that  have  missing
>>files.
>
>
> I had to disable the warning for  two  packages  because  it  complained
> about doc-files that were installed by the install target in  the  wrong
> directory. I have to use the %doc macro for the docs.

Many packages install docs to the wrong place, they should either be
fixed (and the fix upstreamed) or hacked around ... preferably fixed.

Of course, many packages insist on needing root permissions in their
install target :-(.

>
> Once again I think it is a good idea to have  something  that  tells  me
> that I some files are not in the package, but more than a warning is not
> good. Now I have to outsmart your  script  and  it  will  result  in  me
> turning it off and then the script would loose all funtion.
>
> I always read all output from the rpm build process  and  I  always  use
> rpmlint to search for possible errors. So if your script would  warn  it
> would be a usefull addition.
>

IMHO, a more useful exit would be when a file listed in %doc doesn't
exist. At the moment, if one file in %doc is missing, all the files
after it are excluded, *silently*. You only get the warning about one
missing file, %doc exits non-zero, but rpm happily builds a bad package.
This has caused samba to ship with only about 15% of it's docs for a
number of (not-in-final-distro) releases.

I actually put this as a bug in bugzilla against rpm ...

Tell me again, is bugzilla going to be used?

Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Han Boetes
Gwenole Beauchesne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Exactly! Too maintainers simply don't care about their packages.  This
> is a means to bring attention to  possible  new  files  added  through
> packages updates and also fix  existing  packages  that  have  missing
> files.

I had to disable the warning for  two  packages  because  it  complained
about doc-files that were installed by the install target in  the  wrong
directory. I have to use the %doc macro for the docs.

Once again I think it is a good idea to have  something  that  tells  me
that I some files are not in the package, but more than a warning is not
good. Now I have to outsmart your  script  and  it  will  result  in  me
turning it off and then the script would loose all funtion.

I always read all output from the rpm build process  and  I  always  use
rpmlint to search for possible errors. So if your script would  warn  it
would be a usefull addition.



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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Luca Olivetti
Han Boetes wrote:

The real problem anyway is that the rpm spec file is too complex and 
error prone.


_------__
   | }
  /DO NOT FEED THE TROLL \


Here's an example spec file for python in another packaging system. I 
don't particularly like the syntax, but if you can tell with a straight 
face that the corresponding rpm spec file is simpler, don't know who's 
trolling here

W Python Interpreter - An attempt to be better than PERL
S http://www.python.org/ftp/python/{V}/{PV}.tgz
H http://www.python.org
A LICENSE PSF-2.2
R BUILD c-build
R BUILD zlib
R BUILD {READLINE}
R BUILD {READLINE?"ncurses"}
R BUILD {BERKDB}
R BUILD {TCLTK}
R BUILD expat
E Makefile.pre.in s:install-platlib.*:& --install-scripts=$(BINDIR):
A CONFOPT --with-fpectl OPT="{CFLAGS}"


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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Han Boetes
Luca Olivetti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Olivier Thauvin wrote:
> 
> >>fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be
> >>many less broken packages (I hope).
> >
> >
> >Hoo, think to poeple who rebuild about 2000 packages for ppc or alpha, who 
> >have already to fix lot of packager error about arch specific pb... who 
> >have already to deal with reject upload. Try to start an automatic rebuild 
> >for all cooker for i686, and think you should have all packages for this 
> >arch,  you will understand what I am saying...
> 
> yes, I understand, it will be a PITA to fix those packages, but it is 
> worse to leave them unchanged and non working because of some missing file.
> The real problem anyway is that the rpm spec file is too complex and 
> error prone.

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Gwenole Beauchesne
Hi,


Hoo, think to poeple who rebuild about 2000 packages for ppc or alpha, 
who
have already to fix lot of packager error about arch specific pb... who 
have
already to deal with reject upload.

This *is* useful for ports. Do you think I added this for fun?

Bye,
Gwenole.





Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Gwenole Beauchesne
Hi,


I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build 
procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that 
fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will 
be many less broken packages (I hope).

Exactly! Too maintainers simply don't care about their packages. This is 
a means to bring attention to possible new files added through packages 
updates and also fix existing packages that have missing files.

Bye,
Gwenole




Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Luca Olivetti
Olivier Thauvin wrote:


fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be
many less broken packages (I hope).



Hoo, think to poeple who rebuild about 2000 packages for ppc or alpha, who 
have already to fix lot of packager error about arch specific pb... who have 
already to deal with reject upload. Try to start an automatic rebuild for all 
cooker for i686, and think you should have all packages for this arch,  you 
will understand what I am saying...

yes, I understand, it will be a PITA to fix those packages, but it is 
worse to leave them unchanged and non working because of some missing file.
The real problem anyway is that the rpm spec file is too complex and 
error prone.

Bye
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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 10:23, Luca Olivetti a écrit :
> Olivier Thauvin wrote:
> > Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 09:20, Stefan van der Eijk a écrit :
> >>The rpm package is the victim of itself, lol!
> >>
> >>Stefan
> >>
> >>RPM build errors:
> >>Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
> >>   /usr/include/beecrypt/base64.h
> >
> > I like this feature I think it was missing, but a warning would be better
> > to begin than an error... lot of package will failed on rebuild. :)
>
> I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build
> procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that
> fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be
> many less broken packages (I hope).

Hoo, think to poeple who rebuild about 2000 packages for ppc or alpha, who 
have already to fix lot of packager error about arch specific pb... who have 
already to deal with reject upload. Try to start an automatic rebuild for all 
cooker for i686, and think you should have all packages for this arch,  you 
will understand what I am saying...

>
> Bye

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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s)found:

2002-11-14 Thread Luca Olivetti
Olivier Thauvin wrote:

Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 09:20, Stefan van der Eijk a écrit :


The rpm package is the victim of itself, lol!

Stefan

RPM build errors:
   Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
  /usr/include/beecrypt/base64.h



I like this feature I think it was missing, but a warning would be better to 
begin than an error... lot of package will failed on rebuild. :)

I don't agree: I suppose that mandrakesoft has an automated build 
procedure, a warning will probably go unnoticed, while a package that 
fails to build will surely get a maintaner attention. The result will be 
many less broken packages (I hope).

Bye
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Re: [Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Jeudi 14 Novembre 2002 09:20, Stefan van der Eijk a écrit :
> The rpm package is the victim of itself, lol!
>
> Stefan
>
> RPM build errors:
> Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
>/usr/include/beecrypt/base64.h

I like this feature I think it was missing, but a warning would be better to 
begin than an error... lot of package will failed on rebuild. :)

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[Cooker] rpm-4.0.4-20mdk: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:

2002-11-14 Thread Stefan van der Eijk
The rpm package is the victim of itself, lol!

Stefan

RPM build errors:
Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:
   /usr/include/beecrypt/base64.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/beecrypt.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/blockmode.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/blockpad.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/blowfish.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/blowfishopt.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dhaes.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dldp.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dlkp.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dlpk.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dlsvdp-dh.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/dsa.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/elgamal.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/endianness.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/entropy.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/fips180.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/fips180opt.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/fips186.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/hmac.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/hmacmd5.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/hmacsha1.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/hmacsha256.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/md5.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/memchunk.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mp32.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mp32barrett.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mp32number.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mp32opt.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mp32prime.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/mtprng.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/rsa.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/rsakp.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/rsapk.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/sha256.h
   /usr/include/beecrypt/timestamp.h
   /usr/lib/libbeecrypt.la
   /usr/lib/libbeecrypt.so.2.2.0
   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/poptmodule.a
   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/poptmodule.la
   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/poptmodule.so
   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rpmmodule.a
   /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rpmmodule.la
   /usr/lib/rpm/Specfile.pm
   /usr/lib/rpm/alphaev5-mandrake-linux/macros
   /usr/lib/rpm/alphaev56-mandrake-linux/macros
   /usr/lib/rpm/alphaev6-mandrake-linux/macros
   /usr/lib/rpm/alphaev67-mandrake-linux/macros
   /usr/lib/rpm/alphapca56-mandrake-linux/macros
   /usr/lib/rpm/config.site
   /usr/lib/rpm/cpanflute2
   /usr/lib/rpm/cross-build
   /usr/lib/rpm/rpm2cpio.sh
   /usr/lib/rpm/sql.prov
   /usr/lib/rpm/sql.req
   /usr/lib/rpm/tcl.req
   /usr/lib/rpm/trpm