[CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH A CLASSIC EXAMPLE
-Caveat Lector- Subject: 010.000 HATE SPEECH A CLASSIC EXAMPLE In this thread we have presented the case that words are hate speech DEPENDING WHO SAYS THEM. In response one states these words == I hate this fascist bullshit. I think that you and people like you should be rounded up and sent to places where you would be set straight. your families should be held until you get your ugly fascist heads straight. all you bastards should be deported or hanged. (below our writer exposes himself to be a homosexual) Just because you conservative right wing nuts are SEXUALLY REPRESSED and defective Keep your stupid opinions to yourself or get the f*** out of this country. == * Name calling * Kidnapped and "held" until we think like they do. * We are ugly * We are bastards who should be deported or hanged. * Shut up or get out of this country. Note, if anyone would say such a thing about homosexuals, that would be HATE SPEECH, but when homos use the very same speech about others ... why that is freedom of expression. You see in the hate speech game, the very same type of speech is freedom of expression when you are giving large contribution to grease ball politicians and that same speech is hate speech politicians use to shut you up when anyone angers their crack lickers. == One of the persons here hit the nail on the head when they posted a list of spin words that have been fabricated in the last 30 years. Words that have a specific meaning have now been perverted into take on abstract meanings. bashing, bigot, hate speech, inflammatory, democracy . In their attempts to use their mind control tactics on the village idiots the politician hired brain burners have made good use of the art of confusion and perversion of meanings. Before the 60s one group of people who engaged is a weird behavior was determined to be mentally unbalanced by all of medical science. After this group began to pour millions of dollars into the pockets of politicians, all of medical science discovered they were mistaken. Truth, right and justice in America is a variable which is determined by who is greasing the pockets of the politicians. I will comment no more on this topic, but note as our hero replies that all the type speech he is about to use about us (if it were used against his kind) is nothing less than what they call hate speech. quack, quack . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- At 08:16 PM 12/6/98 -0500, M. A. Johnson wrote: Several major turning points mark the reversal of this [Constitutional enumerated powers] ethic. The first was the passage in 1913 of the Sixteenth Amendment, which permitted a federal income tax. This was the first major tax that was not levied on a proportional or uniform basis. Hence, it allowed Congress a political free ride: It could provide government benefits to many by imposing a disproportionately heavy tax burden on the wealthy. ... -- Stephen Moore, _Between Power and Liberty_ But that's not the way it works. If you look at the ratio between people's disposable income (what's left after paying for necessities like food, clothing, and shelter) and the income tax they pay, the wealthy have a far lower RELATIVE tax burden. Besides, most of the non-working rich use tax shelters to almost totally avoid paying income tax. There is NOTHING in the nature of a free-market economy to cause such an event. The popular explanations of depression as caused by 'over-production', 'under-consumption', monopolies, labor-saving devices, maldistribution, excessive accumulations of wealth, etc., have been exploded as fallacies many times. (refer to _Capitalism the Creator_ by Carl Snyder, The Macmillan Company 1940) Since this was written after 1929, it's hard to believe that this guy didn't know what an Asset Price Bubble is. To understand capitalism, you have to understand mob behavior. Assets such as stocks, property, and beanie babies are priced based on what other investors are willing to pay. The problem is, investors act like a herd of cows. Where one goes, the rest follow. When asset values start to move up, investors begin paying more and more for assets, reinforcing each others' increasingly irrational exuberance. Eventually though, one of the herd is spooked by the total disconnection between asset prices and real worth, and the rest stampede, causing asset prices to plummet. This tends to have numerous collateral effects which if extreme enough can cause a depression. Some of these effects include lack of consumer spending due to loss of consumer confidence, constraint on business growth due to lack of investment capital and lack of demand, and bank failures due to failure of loans based on unrealistically valued asset prices. This has been seen time and time again, most recently in numerous countries in Asia. Government regulation attempts to put limits on the collateral damage that can occur, for instance by keeping banks out of investment banking and limiting how they value collateral. Increasingly there is a call to limit asset price inflation along with the already regulated wage and consumer goods price inflations. This is because economists are beginning to wake up to the hazards caused by Asset Price Bubbles, especially as electronic trading and lack of capital flow controls cause money to move in and out of markets at incomprehensible rates. Even Adam Smith understood the need for "the invisible hand of government" in controlling capitalism. If you look at the economic history of the US, you'll see that in the 19th century the booms and busts tended to be equal in length. Since the "Great Depression", booms have gotten longer and busts shorter, as government regulation has become increasingly sophisticated in preventing the economy from overheating in booms and crashing in busts. You don't have to take my word for it, just read the article by George Soros posted to this list a few days ago. I think his billions suggest some understanding of capitalism (FWIW, he seems to be a wolf compared to other investors). I also recommend reading The Economist magazine. As Noam Chomsky likes to point out, business magazines tend to give a slightly less filtered version of the news, as sophisticated investors demand to know what's really going on in the world. You still have to read between the lines, but the gaps aren't quite as large. Che DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reply to List Manager on rules
-Caveat Lector- Roadsend -- I must say, while I don't see eye to eye with the rationale behind your rule on restricting one side of that one subject, I am impressed with your judicial temperment in dealing with someone like myself who (somewhat inadvertantly) opened up old wounds regarding a bad experience this list obviously went through a while back. (I appreciate judicial temperment because I was kicked off of one list, the only one I was ever kicked off of, for posting two items about possibilities of widespread votescam on the night of election 98 -- and this was a Clinton Scandals list!) Not that you asked me, but I recognize you as intellectually honest and I find your "challenge" to look behind the "shills" very interesting. I still can't get through to the website you recommended (is it down for a few days?) but I look forward to when I can. Anyway, lists are somewhat fragile, voluntary things and depend on courtesy and respect for those putting in the work, so it is only fair to abide or leave. If I learn anything through your info referrals which reverse my current leanings on that one subject, I'll gladly fess up immediately. If not, I'll respect your wishes on that one subject, and if I ever leave, I'm still greatful for all the info that the hard of work of yourself and others have made possible through the maintaining of this list. Best Regards, Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy Jim, So sorry that you feel the term irrational is name-calling. Irrational is a descriptive adjective that denotes something not based on reason, more on unfounded fears. The Leuchter report is not based on factual material, it is irrational. It has been debunked entirely. There is much on the net, do a little research. And, yes, I am the list manager, for what it is worth. It sure don't pay no bills.;-) It seems you are inexperienced in propaganda and its uses. I would suggest that many of the deniers are shills shouting, so that reactionary shills will try and find 'grounds' for restricting liberty. Please read Machiavelli. Look behind the 'offered' proxy. Yes, I do not care for the restrictive laws in those countries, but then you might understand that those countries are not republics under the US Constitution and the governments, there, routinely, as a matter of course, 'censor'. Refutation does not automatically stop propaganda. The news media, the ads and most of the invested culture are a coccon of politick directed at our very sovereignty. So if you care to get lost into the directed hate and become one with the 'directed' mob, be my guest, but the whole non-issue has already been discussed ad naseum. And the discussion does not attract the best scholars. So stick and stay and play by the rules(you may learn something), start your own or go, I really dunna care. Om K In a message dated 12/8/98 2:54:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Roadsend, you're "refutation" of the Leuchter report site is inaccessible as of this moment. Maybe it will open up later and I'll definitely look at it. But your mindset is showing, my friend, when you resort to calling my post irrational. I'm changed by evidence (of which I noticed you included none in your post), not intimidated by name calling. Does it all disturb you that it is a potential "crime" to pass out the Leuchter Report in Canada, Germany, France, and numerous other countries? If it had been refuted, I just don't think it would be banned in these countries. I'm waiting for my answer from the list manager, but I don't think this list is going to attract the best scholars and discussion if you allow an issue to be discussed, and then only allow one position to be defended. My recommendation would be to ban an issue altogether, or allow reasonable discussion of that issue. Jim Condit Jr. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
[CTRL] Careening towards Jana-speech
-Caveat Lector- Hey, Josh2, you're careening a little more towards Jana-speech yourself with every successive post on this subject. What in the world did you find wrong with Mike's post? Can't be a Wasp-boy when you're Catholic like I'm am, 3 and 4 generations removed from Irish and Italian immigrants; also, I'm not for unlimited free market, as it plants the seeds for Communist and Socialist swindles on the masses (see Pope Pius XI's Quadragesimo Anno encyclical, 1931); and I'm anti-abortion and anti-eugenics, not pro-medical experiments on children. . . . . Are you sure you're not just an agent provacteur whose mission in life is to say outrageous things that keep the list lively? Jim Condit Jr. On Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:09 AM, nurev [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Jim Condit Jr." wrote: -Caveat Lector- Reply: This is one of the very best posts I've ever seen on the internet. Thanks, Mike. Jim Condit Jr. On Monday, December 07, 1998 11:33 PM, Mike Moxley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 02:36 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: Subject: 010.000 HATE SPEECH The government is gonna crack down on hate speech? Just what is hate speech? Is it not that which is said (or written) that enrages or suggest punishment for people doing something disapproved of? When politicians come on tv and tell us "what the American people want", that enrages me, so is that hate speech? Every time someone makes any statement that others perceived as a threat, isn't that hate speech? "men who have sex with other men should be ..." In this example there are two factors. a) the hated act b) and the prescribed punishment for such act. The greatest publishers of hate speech in any nation is governments. snip - Hate Speech is a term defined by the extreme left. It is only recognized and used by the left. It means generally any speech that disagrees with the far-left national socialist agenda. Since this is the definition, it is impossible for the left to be guilty of hate speech. Therefore, only those that disagree with the left can be guilty of hate speech or hate crimes. How convenient. It is the same old "redefining of words, phrases, and meanings" common to leftist totalitarian regimes, to wit; Stalin and Hitler on the extreme and to socialism in general. It is used to stifle legitimate debate. Yeah I bet you like this. You're the fool who studies philosophy at feet of that loonytwat JanaButterfly. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm sure you two have much in common. At least she is up front about being a racist. You don't even have the guts to " come out " like gays do. Typical bourgeois white ass punk. You think that spouting Libertarian tripe makes you political? Getting key people into government is being political. Minorities and Jews know how to do it. You guys are pathetic. You have much more than you deserve. And you have too much time on your hands if you are getting your education from your psycho mentor. You could do with some vacation time at hard labor. That would straighten you out for sure. If you actually had to do some real work instead of your typical capitalist paper pushing, you wouldn't have the shpritkas to be an armchair pseudo-skinhead. Your days of white middle class oppression are numbered Wasp Boy. Wait and see what happens after the next serious market down turn. You bourgeois thieves will never be allowed to control the economy again. You free market types will probably sell your children for medical experiments. It's in the numbers. Have a nice day. Joshua2 PS: More in next post. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is
Re: [CTRL] Question about list Rules
-Caveat Lector- Please see my post on List Rules to Roadsend if you get a chance --- for heaven's sakes, there's plenty of URL's, but I dare not list them lest I get break list rules! Best Wishes. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:48 PM, Laura Shipton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Talks of the Holocaust from those that do not want to do their research and check out the time before WW1 - that just want to try to do it from a propoganda view point and prey on emotions without listing urls and the research and documentation that was used is as bad as Japan trying to re-write their history. Maybe I have something there! By using the term "politically correct" could people take issue with the American Goverment in that it is trying to re-write history. That would also mean that the fact that they want to go after the encription laws would mean that they can make history by making it very hard for us to get on any other countries web pages. To find out what is happening in other countries by checking their comments and news. To edit our very posts and e-mails when they go to other countries. So are some people in America not only trying to re-write history (and the way it is taught in school) but to make history into the version that they want? Laura aka The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote: I hate this fascist bullshit. I think that you and people like you should be rounded up and sent to places where you would be set straight. If you refuse your families should be held until you get your ugly fascist heads straight. I f none of this works, all you bastards should be deported or hanged. And what is NOT fascist regarding the above philosophy you espouse? What is it about the Constitution and the writ of habeas corpus you don't understand? We have a world on the edge of catastrophe here and there is no place for people like you holding back the progress necessary to save us all. Legislating Orwellian double-speak is NOT progress... Just because you conservative right wing nuts are sexually repressed and defective, doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer. Why do you feel a Constitutionalist is: a) conservative b) right wing c) sexually repressed d) 'defective' (whatever that means) FWIW, I also object to Liberals (capital "L") legislating speech in the name of 'political correctness' and 'hate speech', and I am: a) liberal (small "L") b) a supporter of gay rights c) a supporter of a woman's right to an abortion d) a supporter of the ORIGINAL intention of Affirmative Action (but not what Liberals -- capital "L" -- have turned it into) As for being repressed, sexually or otherwise, you need look no further than your own mirror, since you seem to be the biggest proponent of repression... Keep your stupid opinions to yourself or get the fuck out of this country. What is it about freedom of speech that you have a problem with? Since it is YOU who seems to desire a political and social system diametrically opposed to what the U.S. Constitution specifies, then it would seem that it is YOU who should be finding another country to emigrate to... I think the Taliban would welcome you to Afghanistan with open arms. June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote: I don't work for the guvment and I hate semi-educated white morons like you. As opposed to a totally ignorant (presumably) white moron like you... You are a paranoid idiot and shouldn't be living amidst decent people trying to make the world a better place for all the different kinds of people who make up this country. Gee, this doesn't sound too fascist... Sounds like the 'hate speech' you seem so willing to have legislated into law... Someday we'll take the bunch of you and ship you off to Idaho where you can be with the rest of your bullet headed neo-nazi pig fuckin brothers. Then while you moroons argue about whether the Fuhrer had only one or maybe two balls, we will be free of you and able to build the socialist paradise this country is waiting for. I'd rather deal with 'neo-nazi pig fuckin brothers', than white Liberal males like you, who are the worst racists and worst sexists I've ever met... After the revolution, comrade, how many women and people of color will have positions of power in your regime? And don't give me your platitudes and promises, tell me the TRUTH, how many women and people of color are going to have active roles? June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
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On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Mike Moxley wrote:
and shouldn't be living amidst
decent people trying to make the world a better place for all the
different kinds of people who make up this country.
Translation: All these "different kinds of people" who are socialists and
make up this country. All others should not be living amongst us elitist
socialists.
Including women and people of color. The worst racists and worst sexists
are white males who consider themselves (or at least publicly state that
they are) Liberal...take a close look at their associations, and
especially who is in the role of organizing/leading...except for a
handful of public figureheads, the real power lies with those same white
male Liberals...who are very good at giving lip service to 'empowering'
women and people of color, but have a very poor track record in actually
following thru...
So if Joshua and his bunch DO take over, look for a lot of white males
running the show, with women making the coffee and people of color taking
care of their children and their landscaping...
Who is "we'll"??? Socialists?
Who is "bunch of you"? Non-socialists? Those whom don't agree with you?
The rest of the human race... ;-)
June
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Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote: Yeah I bet you like this. You're the fool who studies philosophy at feet of that loonytwat JanaButterfly. With the above statement, Joshua proves my point regarding the typical white male Liberal's attitude towards women... He is unable to objectively, rationally, and unemotionally discuss whatever philosophy 'JanaButterfly' espouses, but can only refer to her in gross, pornographic terms. You think that spouting Libertarian tripe makes you political? Getting key people into government is being political. Minorities and Jews know how to do it. And by the above statement, he makes my point regarding the typical white male Liberal's attitude towards 'minorities', as he displays their typical view of 'minorities' as separate from themselves, and not as part of 'the movement' these white male Liberals espouse... You guys are pathetic. You have much more than you deserve. And how do YOU presume to know how much anyone on this list has, let alone what they 'deserve'? What does ANYONE 'deserve'? As a woman, I'm SURE [sputter, cough] that you will agree that I represent a community which has been oppressed and victimized by you white males for centuries (if not millenia), and therefore I DESERVE more than you, who represents a class of humanity which has benefitted from the labor of women and people of color without giving anything back in return...therefore, I have the right to take away everything you have, since I DESERVE it more... [Now removing tongue from cheek] PS: More in next post. Spare us. June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TWO CLINTON WITNESSES PART OF WACO COVER-UP
-Caveat Lector- LOTS OF POSTINGS EVERYDAY [BOOKMARK] THIS MSG IS POSTED http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb77532 Subject: Two Clinton Witnesses Part Of Waco Cover-Up Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:41:56 -0500 From: Carol Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]Add to Address Book To: Al Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hillary Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWO CLINTON WITNESSES PART OF WACO COVER-UP According to press reports, the White House has chosen Ronald K. Noble and Edward S.G. Dennis, Jr. to participate in the Wednesday, December 9th morning panel on "Prosecutorial Standards for Obstruction of Justice and Perjury." It can hardly be a coincidence that these two men oversaw the Treasury and Justice Department reports on the BATF and FBI actions against the Branch Davidians outside of Waco Texas in 1993 that led to the deaths of 82 civilians and four federal agents. Is Clinton telling Congress that it let these agents get away with mass murder-so it can surely let him get away with a little lying under oath? Of course, Clinton himself was deeply involved in promoting prosecutorial conduct against the Davidian defendants and the cover-up of federal agents' crimes against the Davidians. Ronald Noble was described as "associate professor of law at New York University Law School and former undersecretary of the Treasury for enforcement." On February 26, 1998 the not-yet- confirmed Noble participated in the decision to allow BATF agents to attack Davidians two days later. In late April, 1993 Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen selected Noble to head the Treasury Department investigation, an investigation which ignored evidence of serious BATF crimes, including lying to the military and shooting from helicopters that killed four Davidians. The results of his "investigation" are contained in the September, 1993 "Report of the Department of the Treasury on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell also known as David Koresh." Edward S.G. Dennis, Jr., was described as "Partner with Morgan, Lewis Bockius in Philadelphia and co-chairman of the Corporate Investigations and Criminal Defense Practice Group." The Justice Department appointed Dennis, himself a former head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division to be the chief reviewer of the government's procedures, decisions and actions in Waco. Dennis, whose investigations of the Philadelphia police department's bombing of the MOVE group and of Banca Lavoro have bee criticized by the press, did not complain when the Justice Department review team withheld damaging information from the Justice Department's panel of ten outside experts and even from its chief overseer, including missing physical evidence, withheld audio and video tapes, letters, memorandum, etc. The results of his "investigation" are contained in his October, 1993 "Evaluation of the Handling of the Branch Davidian Stand-off in Waco, Texas," an evaluation of the larger Justice Department to the Attorney General. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author, The Davidian Massacre http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/davidian-massacre.html Box 65518 Washington, DC 20035 202-635-3739 [APFN NOTE] Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen (Former longtime Senator form Texas) - During the Waco hearings had to take the "OATH of TESTIMONY" before the committee after a heated discussion. The first video about Waco provided by Dr. Gregg Sali Ken Fawcett had a researcher providing documented proof that the Secretary of the Treasury did not take the "OATH OF OFFICE" to the United States of America. He takes an "Oath of Officer" to the "International Monetary Fund" (IMF). This researcher further states that all Treasury takes that Oath. This would include the BATF and the IRS. Thousands of people seen that video. I have not seen any follow-up to the fact or fiction to the above. [EMAIL PROTECTED] == MORE IMPORTANT MESSAGES POSTED:: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb77532 American Patriot Friends Network To post a new message, click here. Subject: "Know Your Customer" (Larry Becraft) Message: 208.147.127.98 writes: December 8, 1998 -- "Know Your Customer" From: Larry Becraft Dear Friends, Both Scott McDonald at the "Fight the Fingerprint" webpage and the principals at The Wallace Institute have been awaiting the publication in the Federal Register of several govt agencies "Know Your Customer" regulations, which promise bank spying on customers. When those regs came out yesterday morning, I downloaded them and proceeded to draft letters to object to them. My first letter was to the FDIC and Scott posted that letter to his page last
[CTRL] Asiana: 12-09
-Caveat Lector- Could it be possible that should the president decide that he's nothing left to lose (or gain), he might act on "core security concerns" ? From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America Pentagon report calls Asia a "core security concern" By James Brookfield 9 December 1998 A report issued in late November by the Pentagon indicates that US military strategists expect the financial meltdown in Asia to unleash further social upheavals and regional conflicts. The report, titled: "US Security Strategy for the East Asia-Pacific Region 1998," cites the Asian financial crisis as a "core security concern," one that has "shaken the region's assumptions about uninterrupted economic development and is testing regional economic cooperation, globalization, and the livelihood of two billion Asians." This report is the fourth produced by the Pentagon on East Asia. The first two, published in 1990 and 1992, suggested that US forces in the region would be reduced in number. A third, issued in 1995, reversed this position, noting, in the words of the present report, that "continuing areas of uncertainty and tension would require an affirmation of [US] security commitments to the region," i.e., the ongoing maintenance of 100,000 US troops there. The 1998 report adds, "While our policies since the 1995 EASR [East Asian Strategy Report] have confirmed US commitment to the region and strengthened bilateral relationships, areas of uncertainty remain and new challenges have emerged." According to the report, these "challenges" include the nuclear missile testing by India and Pakistan earlier this year and US disputes with North Korea over its nuclear energy and satellite programs. These are, however, not the only potential sources of conflict. "Indonesia's economic and political difficulties will pose challenges to the established order both internally and in the region. In Cambodia and Burma, domestic crises threaten the region's progress toward stable political cooperation. Historical mistrust and territorial disputes, including those in the South China Sea and elsewhere, remain unresolved, providing potential flashpoints over issues of sovereignty and nationalism. Crises outside the region, particularly in the Arabian Gulf, increasingly affect regional security, as Asia becomes more dependent on oil supplies for economic growth," the report states. The publication of the 1998 EASR follows a series of public disputes between the US government and several Asian countries over trade questions exacerbated by the economic crisis and US efforts to gain greater access to regional markets. At last month's Asian Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) meeting, rancor erupted as Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir denounced currency speculators and the international monetary system while US Vice President Gore attacked Mahathir for the arrest and trial of his former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim and for the "cronyism" of the regime in Kuala Lumpur. This was followed by Clinton's trip to Tokyo where he insisted to Japanese officials that they carry out measures to further open the economy to US goods. In these conflicts military might serves to bolster the position of US economic interests. "US engagement in Asia," the report notes euphemistically, "provides an opportunity to help shape the region's future, prevent conflict and provide the stability and access that allows us to conduct approximately $500 billion a year in trans-Pacific trade," The report later cites the $150 billion in US investment in Asia in a similar vein. A number of passages suggest that the report is a document published for the purpose of intimidating US rivals. It summarizes, for example, the development of new US military technology as follows: "Advances in command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance will combine with the introduction of new weapons systems to revolutionize US ability to respond rapidly to any conflict and dominate any battlefield situation." A related statement, "Joint Vision 2010," prepared in 1997 by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and mentioned in this report, notes that the introduction of new weapons technology "will provide an order of magnitude improvement in lethality." In a section on "Weapons of Mass Destruction" the 1998 EASR declares: "The United States will retain the capacity to respond to who might contemplate the use of WMD and to prevail in any conflict in which these weapons are used, so that the costs of using WMD will be seen as outweighing any possible gains." It does not explain how a military strike following an opponent's "contemplation" of using a weapon can be properly defined as a "response." The Pentagon foresees conflicts with China, though the report takes a somewhat careful tone in light of the growth of US business interest in the country. "Many of China's neighbors," one paragraph states obliquely, "are closely monitoring China's
[CTRL] Old Habits ...
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org ... are hard to break ... WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Ireland As negotiations for new Northern Ireland Assembly break down Violence erupts again in Drumcree By Richard Tyler 9 December 1998 Mutual recriminations have accompanied the breakdown of the present negotiations to set up the new Northern Ireland Assembly and joint cross-border bodies with the Irish Republic. At its only meeting so far, the Assembly met on July 1 to appoint Ulster Unionist Party leader David Trimble as First Minister, with Seamus Mallon from the Social Democratic and Labour Party as his deputy. The Assembly then adjourned for negotiations between the UUP, SDLP and Sinn Fein to discuss the setting up of an executive and to reach agreement on the composition of various cross-border bodies. However, these talks have proved so difficult that the February deadline for the start of the Assembly is in danger. In an effort to break the impasse, British Prime Minister Tony Blair cancelled all his other engagements last Wednesday and flew to Belfast to hold talks with the party leaders. Following seven hours of late-night discussions the press was reporting that "significant progress" had been made. But then on Friday, after Blair had returned to England, Trimble claimed the nationalists had made "unreasonable demands", pointing the finger at the SDLP. "We thought we had broken the back of it--and then we were to sort out the details--and found fresh obstacles being created," he said. For the SDLP, Seamus Mallon said, "People did not honour their word. That's putting it as mildly as I possibly can." He continued, "Apart from myself, there is a very substantial anger among the other political parties at the way in which the Ulster Unionist Party seems to have walked away from an arrangement it had made I can see it even already beginning to erode the credibility that the peace process in the Assembly has had within the community." Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams said: "There was a deal done this week and it was undone by Unionist bad faith." The talks are now on hold as the leaders of the main nationalist and Unionist parties in Northern Ireland flew off to America last Friday to receive various awards. They are en route to Oslo to receive their Nobel Peace Prize. David Trimble and SDLP leader John Hume were nominated for the award for their part in brokering the Northern Ireland Agreement. Two issues have lead to the current crisis in negotiations. According to the Financial Times, "The real crunch was over the SDLP's insistence on including a body for foreign investment promotion, after the UUP had expressly opposed the idea during the multi-party talks Trimble argued it would imply a single exchequer, a single fiscal system and one granting body, 'It's a matter of amazement that nationalists want all the economic functions to be extracted from the assembly before it's even started,' he said." The Sunday Observer claimed that a meeting of the Ulster Unionist Assembly members "went almost ballistic" following Trimble's report back from the talks with Blair. "The main sticking point was the SDLP wish for a body to govern inward investment into the whole of Ireland, treating the island as an economic unit." The paper wrote, "Trimble will be ousted by his backbenchers in the Northern Ireland Assembly unless he can scrap plans for a cross-border body on trade. The hard-liners were poised to bring down the Assembly if Sinn Fein is admitted to the executive without the IRA decommissioning weapons." This is the second issue. Unionists insist that there can be no place for Sinn Fein on the executive before the IRA begins to hand over its weapons. Pauline Armitage, a UUP Assembly member for East Londonderry, told the press, "I want decommissioning and I want a resolution to the Drumcree problem I would prefer to see the whole package together, and I would prefer not to have any bodies set up because the pressure should remain on decommissioning." This latest impasse once more highlights the deep divisions that exist in the Unionist camp. Trimble's nominally pro-Agreement UUP won 28 seats in the Assembly and the Progressive Unionist Party of David Irvine have 2, making 30 in total. Unionist parties opposed to the Agreement, including Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionists, command 28 seats. In November the anti-Agreement pressure group "Union First" held their first public meeting in Belfast. In attendance were Martin Smyth and Willie Ross, UUP Members of Parliament. Jeffrey Donaldson, the most vocal UUP MP opposing the Agreement, and former Unionist leader Lord Molyneaux sent their apologies. Other opponents of the Agreement in attendance were Ian Paisley and UK Unionist Party leader Bob McCartney. The loss of just two assemblymen from the pro-Agreement side would jeopardise not only Trimble's position, but the Assembly itself. The establishment of a cross-border body to co-ordinate bids
[CTRL] Tripp Trap
-Caveat Lector- There's a link from Drudge to a message board at the Free Repbulic site showing messages in support of Linda Tripp's courage and entreaties for her to not "lurk" and talk (post messages) to the readers. Problem is I tried to send this link but my mail locked up in the process. I don't know if this is kismet, fate, karma, or just coincidence. Or, it could be a sign. Anyway, it's there, should anyone want to take the "Tripp" ... AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New Y2K Study On Dr. Ed's EcoNet
-Caveat Lector- Begin Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:23:57 -0500 From: Ed Yardeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Y2K Study On Dr. Ed's EcoNet In my latest Y2K REPORTER (http://www.yardeni.com/y2kreporter.html), I examine corporate progress by studying Y2K budget data available in some of the third quarter SEC filings. I found 315 of the 415 SP 500 companies currently showing a third quarter report on the SECs Edgar database, which reported the total estimated cost of the Y2K project and also how much has been spent so far. I believe that there must be a good direct correlation between the percentage of budget spent and progress in Y2K remediation. If this assumption is correct, then many companies have a great deal of work to do in a very short period of time before the Y2K dreadline. Indeed, all told, the companies in my sample collectively have spent only 42% of their budgets as of the end of the third quarter. Here are some of my other findings: 1) On average, the SP 500 industry that is at the top of the spending-to-budget progress list is the financial sector, with a ratio of 53.3%. It is followed by capital goods (45.6%), health care (42.2%), consumer cyclicals (41.8%), consumer staples (41.5%), transports (40.0%), energy (39.9%), technology (36.9%), basic materials (36.0%), communications (35.3%), and utilities (31.4%). Utilities are at the bottom of the list of SP industry sectors! If they dont work, nothing else will. 2) No industry is uniformly ahead of the others. There are laggards in every major industry. Even in the leading financial sector, 36% of the sample has spent less than half of their Y2K budget through the third quarter of 1998. 3) There are a disturbing number of laggards. Fully 33% of the companies I surveyed spent less than one-third of their budgets so far. And 14% of the companies spent less than 20% of their projected Y2K budget through the third quarter of 1998. 4) Only 8 companies claim that they are nearly finished, having spending-to-budget ratios of 80% or more. 5) In the utility sector, only five of the 34 companies in my survey claim to have spent more than 50% of their budget. And 10 of these have spent less than 20%! Dr. Ed Please forward as appropriate. To unsubscribe, reply with REMOVE in the subject field or top of text. Y2K Home: http://www.yardeni.com/cyber.html Y2K Reporter: http://www.yardeni.com/y2kreporter.html Y2K Netbook: http://www.yardeni.com/y2kbook.html Y2K News Fax: http://www.yardeni.com/y2knews.html Y2K Action Day Conferences: http://www.y2kactionday.com Y2K Corporate Disclosure: http://www.progsys.com/yardeni/y2kfind.asp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ohio: The Pot Nazis Strike Again
-Caveat Lector- Source: Columbus Dispatch (OH) Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.dispatch.com/ Copyright: 1998, The Columbus Dispatch Author: UPI BELPRE COMMUNITY UPSET BY FATAL RAID BELPRE, Ohio, Dec. 7 (UPI) - A controversy has erupted in southeast Ohio concerning a marijuana drug raid in which law enforcement officers shot a man eight times. There is little agreement why the 57-year old janitor died in a hail of gunfire during a raid to shut down a suspected marijuana sales operation. And there are questions about why deputies, who were seeking Bonar's adult son, a suspected small time dealer, used such force in an attempt to arrest someone with NO prior arrest record. A public hearing was scheduled today in Belpre to allow citizens to question Washington County officials about the death of Delbert Bonar. The victim's family contends Bonar was unarmed when he was shot. Sheriff's deputies say the family is lying and the 57-year-old man had refused to put down an unloaded shotgun during the October incident. Bonar's daughter-in-law, Carolyn Bonar, told the Columbus Dispatch Delbert Bonar was putting down a water bottle and reaching for the telephone when he was shot. Sheriff Robert Schlicher told the newspaper Carolyn Bonar is lying. He said Bonar confronted Sgt. William Wilson and Capt. Chris Forshey and they protected themselves. ``This is something none of us feels good about but there isn't much more you can expect a law enforcement officer to do.'' The deputies had a search warrant when they raided the Bonar home at 9 p.m. Oct. 15. They suspected Bonar's son, Albert, was growing and selling marijuana. They found a small amount of the illegal weed, enough for personal consumption, but they did not find the salable quantities, growing plants, or stolen guns an INFORMANT said were on the property, Washington County Prosecutor Michael Spahr said. Two months after the raid and Albert Bonar has not been charged with a crime [snip] Albert Bonar admits to smoking marijuana, but having a few plants did not justify the raid that left his father dead. Albert Bonar said in a recent interview, that he remains stunned by the speed and violence of the raid. "Every night at 9 p.m., the nightmares start," he said. "We jump with every little creak in the house." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Latest Article On TWA 800
-Caveat Lector- TWA Flight 800 Missile Cover-up Suspicions Renewed David J. Hale Jr. December 9, 1998 Suspicions of a government cover-up of the TWA Flight 800 tragedy have been fueled by the unexplained appearance of three fast-moving ships and another unidentified radar target off Long Island at the same time as the jets explosion over the cold Atlantic in July 1996. More interest was sparked in July 1998 when former FBI assistant director James Kallstrom, who headed the bureau's investigation of the incident, claimed in a taped interview that the ships were, in fact, U.S. Navy vessels on "classified" maneuvers. Since that interview, Kallstrom says his answers were misinterpreted. According to the Islip, New York, FAA, three radar targets were detected moving at about 15 knots in an undefined direction about five miles from fight 800. One radar target was detected moving at 30 knots about two miles from the crash in a southeasterly direction. One vessel was caught on radar because its structure was at least six stories high, a moving object consistent with a large naval vessel. Some theories, buttressed by an ample amount of eyewitness and physical evidence, suggest that a missile was fired from sea, destroying the plane, in either a Navy accident or an attack by a terrorist group or foreign nation. Soon after the tragedy, ABC correspondent Pierre Salinger claimed that a U.S. Navy ship on maneuvers accidentally fired on the civilian airliner. Other experts like investigative reporter David Hendrix, claim that numerous U.S. Navy vessels were within a 50- to 290-nautical-mile radius of the crash site. He obtained the data through a Freedom of Information Act request. Also, private investigator James Sanders has argued that a U.S. Navy ship fired a missile that downed Flight 800. These claims took on new credibility when Kallstrom admitted to Accuracy in Media's Reed Irvine that the ships picked up on radar were indeed naval vessels. An excerpt of his July 1998 interview follows: IRVINE: Let's open up the report, lets open up the record, lets take out the secrecy. That's the point. KALLSTROM: Yeah, I think it would be good to do that at this point now that the criminal case is not open. But it's in the hands of NTSB. ... IRVINE: Hey, the bureau [FBI] just sent [Congressman] Trafficant a letter saying they couldn't identify three vessels that were in the vicinity, for privacy reasons -- come on! KALLSTROM: Well, yeah. Well, we all know what those were. In fact, I even spoke about those publicly. IRVINE: What were they? KALLSTROM: They were Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers. IRVINE: What about the one that went racing out to sea at 30 knots? KALLSTROM: That was a helicopter. IRVINE: On the surface?... KALLSTROM: Well, between you and I, the conventional wisdom was, although it's probably not totally provable, was that it was a helicopter. In a recent interview with NewsMax.com, Kallstrom, now a vice president at a major credit card company, later amended his statement to Irvine. "When Reed Irvine asked me that question, I thought he meant in the vicinity, which to me means within a 200-nautical-mile radius of the crash," said Kallstrom. "The closest ship was the USS Normandy about 180 nautical miles from the crash. Those radar blips, I do believe we did know what they were. They were boats and one was a low-flying helicopter traveling at 30 knots, which was initially of great concern." Kallstrom vehemently denies claims that the plane crashed as a result of a missile firing. One person not buying Kallstrom's claims is William Donaldson. Donaldson retired in 1991 from the Navy after a career as a decorated fighter pilot and Navy accident investigator. In July 1998, Donaldson's organization, Associated Retired Aviation Professionals (ARAP), issued a report detailing the case that one or more missiles struck TWA 800. Donaldson has claimed that as many as two foreign missiles exploded near the plane. He says that Navy vessels were in the area close to the crash on "top-secret" maneuvers. "They had a good reason to be there," he says. "There were Navy ships where they weren't supposed to be, and it appears they were actually in a defensive mode, trying to catch somebody." Donaldson discusses the Navy presence in his report and bases his information on his own eyewitness interviews, Navy records, and radar images. The Navy acknowledged that an aircraft carrier and its aircraft, a submarine, and a P-3 plane were active in military exercises 200 miles south of the crash. The missile theory is supported by more than 115 eyewitnesses who reported seeing a light
Re: [CTRL] Question about list Rules
-Caveat Lector- Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Please see my post on List Rules to Roadsend if you get a chance --- for heaven's sakes, there's plenty of URL's, but I dare not list them lest I get break list rules! Best Wishes. Jim Condit Jr. On Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:48 PM, Laura Shipton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Talks of the Holocaust from those that do not want to do their research and check out the time before WW1 - that just want to try to do it from a propoganda view point and prey on emotions without listing urls and the research and documentation that was used is as bad as Japan trying to re-write their history. Maybe I have something there! By using the term "politically correct" could people take issue with the American Goverment in that it is trying to re-write history. That would also mean that the fact that they want to go after the encription laws would mean that they can make history by making it very hard for us to get on any other countries web pages. To find out what is happening in other countries by checking their comments and news. To edit our very posts and e-mails when they go to other countries. So are some people in America not only trying to re-write history (and the way it is taught in school) but to make history into the version that they want? Laura aka The Pied Piper Hey you, We are limited to 100 posts a day on this list! To try to use it as a emotional sounding post with out urls is boring and frustrating. Now if you want to try to say that the gas that they used was something other that Zoron or that what they called Zoron had a different composition then - that would be a conspiracy. If you want to try to find out what company provided that gas and what their name is now days - or do you work for that company? another thought - if you are trying to say that you can not do decent research because of the hate laws! That is a conspiracy. Hope who ever kept Japan from re-writing their history takes notice of what is actually happening. Still and all if they believe the study history should be kept from the people - like Canada seems to believe - Well. Now this is from another thread and does seem to show a conspiracy, is well researched With URLS that allow others to research as well. See if you can rise up to this standard and keep your un-researched emotions to yourself. Another thought. If Bush Sr. can get a higher level education in Two years (because of daddy's money) What of our "Professionals?" How many of them have been slid through school so that they will play someone's tune when they have that Title?? Who has tested them? What of our educators, what real training, education have they had? But they have a degree! Get real who were their teachers, professors, instructors? Can they pass a test that a independent organization would give? And People Like That May Be Teaching Your Children, May Have Taught You! The Unauthorized Biography of George Bush http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bushb.htm#Table They will not release his grades, Wonder Why? From another thread*Well researched!* From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue 18:16 Subject: [CTRL] [UA-C] FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation (fwd) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:41:54 -0400 From: Michael Gurstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UA-C] FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation (fwd) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:21:38 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Canada loves its "hate crime" legislation From: "Lisa S. Dean" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Canada loves their hate crime legislation! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:04:19 -0500 Speech Cops of the Great White North Dateline: 12/6/98 Every political system has its eccentricities - oddities that become so much a part of the landscape that people living within the system lose track of the weirdness. In the case of Canada, it sometimes seems that the country's political elite is made up of the stiff-necked faculty of a second-tier liberal arts college, and every session of the legislature is a meeting of some uptight academic discipline board out to teach those naughty frat boys a lesson. The latest emanation from Canada's disciplinarians is a "hate speech http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16525.html" bill that might well have been pulled from the University of Wisconsin's politically correct student handbook. The proposal would amend the Criminal Code of Canada to make it illegal to possess material "for the purpose of distribution to promote hate." It would also broaden existing "hate crimes" law so that it
[CTRL] America: Running on Empty and Heading for Recession
-Caveat Lector- Subj:[FTC] USA: Running on Empty and Heading for Recession Date: 12/9/98 8:30:45 AM Central Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linda Muller) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friends, "Unable to free themselves of Keynesian thinking, the failure of the Dow drop to check consumption was interpreted as meaning that consumers are convinced that the good times will keep on rolling and so maintained their optimism and spending. Consumers never even noticed the Dow. So long as their incomes appear secure they will just keep on spending." From "The New Austrailian" web site: http://www.newaus.com.au/econ99us.html FTC-Linda From: "Nelson,Damian A." [EMAIL PROTECTED] America: Running on Empty and Heading for Recession By Gerard Jackson No. 99, 7-13 Dec. 1998 First the bad news: America will go into recession. Now for the good news: I expect this to happen under Clinton. (I don't hold him responsible, I just consider it ironic justice.) The editorial in issue No. 92 (19-25 October 1998) predicted, using Austrian analysis, that the US economy would slide into recession and that the symptoms were already emerging. Despite claims to the contrary Greenspan's rate cuts can do nothing to reverse the situation. Let us first take a look at received economic wisdom (otherwise known as Keynesian fallacies). According to this Greenspan's interest rate cuts will stimulate the economy by increasing the level of spending through credit expansion. That the US has been on a spending binge which has helped fuel the stock market is certainly clear. What is not clear to these economists is that this policy laid the foundations for the coming recession. That most economists are unable to detect the true link between the stock market and consumer spending was made apparent when they expected the 20 per cent drop in the Dow between July and December to curb consumer spending. The reason it did not is because both are fuelled by the same source the Fed. Consumer spending is not, never has been and never will be, a function of stock market prices. Unable to free themselves of Keynesian thinking, the failure of the Dow drop to check consumption was interpreted as meaning that consumers are convinced that the good times will keep on rolling and so maintained their optimism and spending. Consumers never even noticed the Dow. So long as their incomes appear secure they will just keep on spending. In fact, American consumers are spending so much the savings ratio has turned negative, something that has not happened since the depths of the Great Depression: for this you can thank Lord Keynes and his disciples. Without savings the American economy or any other economy, for that matter cannot accumulate capital. And it is capital that raises living standards, not Federal manipulation of interest rates. In other words, the American economy is running on empty. Concentrating on consumption spending is a fatal mistake. Consumption does not drive economies and is only a small part of total economic activity.* This gross error has led some economic observers to speculate that the booming service sector will be the "powerhouse" that will offset slowdowns in any other part of the economy. Austrian analysis comletely explodes this myth and we shall now see why. The Austrians show that by forcing down the rate of interest the Federal Reserve misleads businesses, especially in the higher stages of production, into thinking that the fund of real capital has expanded. They therefore embark on projects for which the capital goods necessary for their completion do not exist. This makes itself felt through various shortages and bottlenecks. As these start to appear many businesses begin suffer a cost-price squeeze as prices are no longer sufficient to maintain expansion or even cover factor costs. Nevertheless, the so- called service sector, the one closest to consumption, undergoes a boom with rising demand and employment. There is no paradox here. Factors must be paid. Companies that responded to the low interest rates used the addtional funds to bid up the prices of capital goods and specific types of labor, which obviously raised their costs of production. This additional expenditure translated into factor incomes which were then spent on consumption goods. This in turn raised demand at the consumption end of the production structure. The increased demand made itself felt throughout the structure by bidding factors away from the higher stages. To aggravate the situation savings actually became negative, meaning that the social rate of time preference was leaving nothing for investment. The pool of real funds had run dry. These higher- stage investments will now turn out to be malinvestments, unsound investments that will have to be liquidated. But before these
Re: [CTRL] Did You Know 9 pt1
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/98 5:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Contrary to popular belief, the Nazis did not "take" Germany through arms or brute force. There was no need to: they were welcomed with cheers and open arms as their economic savior - by a thoroughly brain-washed and unquestioning populace! [Just like Clinton and the Liberals are today!] Talk about getting it backwards! I will say this in terms of the right-wing takeover of pre WWII Germany to today's situation in America: Hitler never won a popular election. He was stymied by democracy but the confused Hindenburg gave it to him on a platter. He "legitimized" himself to the main street Germans by media propaganda but also, on the streets, by force of bluster, pageantry, threats, and thuggery. The right-wing reserved murder, torture, medical experiments, starvation, and false imprisonment in general for those most hated, numerous though they were. Today in America, the right-wing Republicans and the news media are in the hands of some extremely wealthy willful men who are determined to run America without obstacle. They have not been able to achieve their desire in full even with the eager help of the news media and so they have turned to an impeachment campaign. This has involved several people (including Starr, Tripp, Goldberg, and the respectable portion of the news media) but it is orchestrated by creatures like Richard Scaife. One can only hope that the coup which was only partially successful in 1963 will not now fully succeed. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 12/9/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Japanese Financial Crisis Government Urged to Buy 10% of Stock Market Leveraged buyout of Japan, Inc. An influential Japanese business group has called on the government to issue up to ¥30,000bn ($250bn) of bonds to purchase corporate shares and stave off a further decline in the stock market. These plans, which have been drawn up by a think tank affiliated to the Keidanren, Japan's main business federation, would potentially leave the government holding up to 10 per cent of the shares on the stock market. The proposals, by the respected 21st-Century Public Policy Institute, have triggered strong opposition from officials at the ministry of finance and the Bank of Japan, who fear that it could put more pressure on the government bond market. However, the idea is supported by some members of the ruling Liberal Democratic party, whose politicians have often used respected business groups such as the Keidanren to float radical new policy ideas. Although the LDP leadership has shown little willingness yet to adopt the scheme, the proposals highlight the degree of unease felt in the government about the weakness of the stock market. Government officials admit that the proposals could influence policy in coming months if Japan's economic problems worsen. One senior bureaucrat said: "If the stock market falls again, there may be more support from politicians for something like this." Mayasa Miyoshi, a senior adviser to the Keidanren, said: "We urgently need to take measures." The debate about the stock market has been triggered by the recent sharp fall in the Nikkei 225, the key stock market indicator, which fell below 13,000 in October. This threatens to hurt many companies, since banks and their clients have traditionally held huge equity stakes in each other. The Nikkei 225 has since rebounded, closing at 14,808.2 yesterday. However, some officials fear the market will remain weak, since many companies are trying to unwind these cross-shareholdings, further depressing prices. In recent months, the Keidanren has called on the government to offset this problem by creating a special institution to unravel unwind cross-shareholdings without selling shares them in the open market. However, this proposal has now been partly abandoned since it would reduce the banks' capital base under current Bank for International Settlements guidelines. The think tank has now proposed a separate scheme according to which the government would purchase shares to offset the impact of companies unwinding cross-shareholdings. These purchases would be managed by independent financial companies, and conducted for a limited period. The Financial Times, Dec. 9, 1998 Chinese Missiles Secret Pentagon Report Faults Hughes Assistance to China by Jeff Gerth WASHINGTON -- A secret Pentagon report concludes that Hughes Space and Communications, without proper authorization, gave China technological insights that are crucial to the successful launchings of satellites and ballistic missiles. According to the report, completed on Monday, Hughes scientists helped Chinese engineers in 1995 to improve the sophisticated mathematical models necessary to predict the effects of wind, high-atmosphere buffeting and other natural forces on a rocket launching. These formulas are important to designing nuclear missiles and launching satellites that do not explode or break apart. They help technicians calculate the appropriate angle of launch, the shape of the nose cone of the rocket, the tolerable limits of weather and other factors. The Chinese, the Pentagon said, had been using an "oversimplified" mathematical analysis, resulting in a series of failed satellite launchings. Hughes pointed out that shortcoming to the Chinese in 1995, when its scientists helped investigate the failed launching of a Hughes commercial communication satellite atop a Chinese rocket. The report concluded that Hughes had provided a "defense service" to China that violated American standards against helping Beijing make better satellites and missiles and required a State Department review. The company's assistance to China "raises national security concerns both with regard to violating those standards and to potentially contributing to China's missile capabilities," the report said. The company, and other American aerospace concerns, were eager to use Chinese rockets because they are cheaper than American or European competitors, but only if they could be made reliable. The Pentagon report said that contact between Hughes engineers and Chinese scientists allowed the Chinese to gain "specific insight into specific launch vehicle design and operational problems and corrective actions." The report also says Hughes showed Chinese scientists flaws in the
Re: [CTRL] THE HIDDEN TYRANNY
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/9/98 10:14:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Freedman's information contains suppressed facts, including exactly how the US was tricked into WW-I -- due to Zionist fraud: If this isn't the official anti-Semite list of the US, why does this sort of mindless hate based baloney keep appearing? What is it about this list that attracts the darker elements? Don't get me wrong. I don't think this character hates the Jews. He just hates. The Jews and blacks are both preferred targets by these types since they are few in number and because it becomes tiresome, to healthy people, to continually answer baseless charges and suppositions. One encounters many interesting and provocative notions but it also requires one to comb thru a certain amount of psychic decay. This deterioration is not good, it is especially not good because it is obvious that RoadsEnd puts an enormous amount of work into keeping it lively and interesting. I have an idea. Why don't you out there who like to think of yourself as neo- fascists hold your lying scheming tongues for a few millennia? Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Shakespeare]
-Caveat Lector- John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A new computer analysis of stylistic features provides fresh testimony that all but the more obscure Shakespeare plays (Merry Wives of Windsor, etc.) were written by Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford (1550-1604). snip This reminds me of the old story of the German scholar who spent fifty years proving that the *Iliad* and the *Odyssey* were not written by Homer -- *but by another Greek of the same name*. What does it matter *who* wrote the plays? They are the crowning glory of the English language, and they transcend the centuries so magnificently that I don't give a tinker's damn whether they were written by Shakespeare, Oxford, Bacon, Marlowe, Queen Elizabeth, or Attila the Hun! I thank God that we have them at all. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bald face liars testify to congress
-Caveat Lector- Fax to your congressman, senators and news papers Henry Hyde's fax number is: 202-225-7682 CLINTON "DEFENSE" LIARS IN FRONT OF CONGRESS UNDER OATH ! Microsoft CD encyclopedia, sexual relations plural noun 1. Sexual intercourse. 2. Sexual activity between individuals. SEXUAL RELATIONS What do these words mean? Relations or relationships are some kind of interaction between two or more people. * If you are involved in a romance, that is a romantic relation. * If you are involved with someone at work, that is a work relationship. Relations: notes something that two or more people do together. SEX RELATIONS Sex relations involve any act done to arouse and/or reach a sexual climax. Visual ... stripping, specific movements ... Verbal ... "dirty"/sex talk Hand touch ... legs, breast, button ... what ever causing or stimulating an erection. Sex organ touch ... by another sex organ, hand or mouth. In SEXUAL RELATIONS, the interaction between two people is SEX. If a strange man called a woman and talked about poetry, vacuum cleaners or mushrooms, he would not be guilty of any crime, but if he began to talk about oral sex, he could be convicted of a crime. If the other party has no wish to hear it, it is an illegal sex act and if the other party wants to hear it, it is a legal sex act. When this verbal interaction takes place between two people it is a sexual relationship. Under the laws an adult male having an under age girl give him oral sex, would be convicted of a sex act with an under age girl. He would not be arrested for patting her on the head or holding her hand. The charge involving oral sex would be made BECAUSE IT IS SEX ! Thinking about sex is not a relation, but when people interact together for the purpose of arousal and/or a climax, it is a SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. Sex=act done for the purpose of sexual arousal and/or climax. Relations = interaction between two or more people. *** If oral sex is not sex, then why do I see prostitutes being arrested on the show "COPS" for selling oral sex? *** In every court in the United States for the last 200 years, every case involving any physical touch of a sex organ (hand or mouth) has been put in the category of a sex act. First Clinton had the gull to lie in the face of a grand jury and now Clinton's lawyer (and crack lickers) have come before congress under oath and committed perjury ! *** In the court case against one woman, she did not have intercourse in her office, she only had ORAL SEX. If oral SEX is not sex, then how did the court convict the woman of perjury when she did not have intercourse, she just denied having sex? *** No wonder politicians and lawyers are so hated. They are just a bunch of lying crooks covering up for the corruption of each other. The pathetic part is that "justice" in America is just a hoax which applies only to those who can not afford to buy it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
-Caveat Lector- Ka- What is your basic gripe about "white liberals"? I'm curious. I'm a Native American (of European-Native American ancestry)...and I don't remember "white conservatives" or "white libertarians," for that matter, risking their lives on freedom rides to the south to end segregation in the southor running the risk of ending up in a Mississippi swamp (the fate of a young Jewish boy and a black boy), because they believed that Americans of all colors should have civil liberties. I don't remember masses of "white conservatives" making any effort to help out in the inner citiesto try to put an end to the hate and racism that seems to be endemic in our republic. Instead, whenever "white liberals" tried to use the power of government to put an end to social inequalities in the country, "white conservatives" opposed them every step of the way, using states rights arguments..now, the arguments have changed Judging from some of the postings on this list, the new smokescreen for racists, facists, hate-mongers and anti-semites among us is the Constitution!!! And, not surprisingly, the same individuals who find nothing wrong with the institution of slavery are mouthing Jefferson, Madison, et al. If that is "libertarianism," I think I'll pass.. I guess I must be one of the deluded masses... I have two daughters of my own... I want them to be strong feminists...to hear just as much about "the founding mothers" as they hear about "the fathers." The last thing I want for them is to marry some chauvinistic bozo.. who views a woman as his property. So, I'm one hundred percent for women being free of the kind of crap they had to put up with back in the pre-60s era I'm old enough to remember those days... Since I was raised in that period, I remember how women were treated... They weren't highly valued.. Whatever you want to say about "feminnazis" (well...ditto heads love these terms, don't they?)generally, women are better off now thanks to the efforts of "liberals" and "feminists." Of course, I won't defend all of the mistakes and blunders made along the way But I don't see "conservatives" caring much about anything, except maintaining the status quokeep the power in the hands of the same old white males who make up the good old boy networks...(the same jerks who love to go adventuring overseas...looking for loot and third world women to play with). Every progressive movement in this country has been fought tooth and nail by people who just want to hang on to their power and privileges... And when anyone has the courage to point out the inequities..the gross abuses... they are usually slapped down by various means. The treaties of my Native American ancestors were never respected...Their lands were seized by the very same people who crafted such marvelous documents as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. So, a lot of us out here are not impressed with these rhetorical exercises on the glories of the Constitution. So, I am one hundred percent for "white liberals" and their effort to join the rest of the human race. I applaud the fact that, at least, they want to be fair-minded and decent. ... That's more than I can say for the opposition. Regards, Wm On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, KA wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote: Yeah I bet you like this. You're the fool who studies philosophy at feet of that loonytwat JanaButterfly. With the above statement, Joshua proves my point regarding the typical white male Liberal's attitude towards women... He is unable to objectively, rationally, and unemotionally discuss whatever philosophy 'JanaButterfly' espouses, but can only refer to her in gross, pornographic terms. You think that spouting Libertarian tripe makes you political? Getting key people into government is being political. Minorities and Jews know how to do it. And by the above statement, he makes my point regarding the typical white male Liberal's attitude towards 'minorities', as he displays their typical view of 'minorities' as separate from themselves, and not as part of 'the movement' these white male Liberals espouse... You guys are pathetic. You have much more than you deserve. And how do YOU presume to know how much anyone on this list has, let alone what they 'deserve'? What does ANYONE 'deserve'? As a woman, I'm SURE [sputter, cough] that you will agree that I represent a community which has been oppressed and victimized by you white males for centuries (if not millenia), and therefore I DESERVE more than you, who represents a class of humanity which has benefitted from the labor of women and people of color without giving anything back in return...therefore, I have the right to take away everything you have, since I DESERVE it more... [Now removing tongue from cheek] PS: More in next post. Spare us. June *---*
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Old Habits ...]
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Ireland As negotiations for new Northern Ireland Assembly break down Violence erupts again in Drumcree By Richard Tyler 9 December 1998 Mutual recriminations have accompanied the breakdown of the present negotiations to set up the new Northern Ireland Assembly and joint cross-border bodies with the Irish Republic. snip Not for nothing, it seems, is the heraldic emblem of Ulster a bloody hand... Bob (descended from a long line of Ulstermen) = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] CIA Media Coverage
Listers: I am not sure others saw this or the web URL, however, the NY Times has been running a number of articles on the CIA since Nov 28th or so. See below the URL and info about these -- you may need to "register" with NYT, login, password, to get into the articles and special CIA discussion groups. Judith THE REAL CIA This special report is based on the New York Times Television documentary, "The Real C.I.A.: Enemies, Secrets and Spies." With text by Tim Weiner, the Times Washington correspondent who narrated the report, it includes video clips from the documentary and articles from the New York Times archives. http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/index-cia.html Dining With the Devil The Future of the C.I.A. Issue in Depth: U.S. Offensive Against Terrorism Issue in Depth: Bombings in East Africa Congress Decides to Conduct Study of Need for C.I.A. (Sept. 28, 1994) Looking for the Enemy; For C.I.A., History Is the Big Traitor (Jan. 1, 1995) C.I.A. Says Agents Deceived Superiors On Guatemala Role (July 26, 1995) C.I.A. Re-examines Hiring of Ex-Terrorist as Agent (Aug. 21, 1995) The C.I.A.'s most Important Mission: Itself (Dec. 10, 1995) Report Faults C.I.A. on Hiring of Informers in Guatemala (Dec. 10, 1995) The C.I.A. Seeks Out Informers On Terrorism, and Finds Them (Dec. 10, 1995) In the 1990's, with the cold war ended, the C.I.A. faces different enemies -- terrorists, criminal gangs, and rogue nations trying to build nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. To know these enemies, the C.I.A. must try to recruit terrorists and criminals and weapons dealers. It's like dining with the devil -- and to do that, you'd better bring a very long spoon, as the C.I.A.'s former in-house inspector general, Fred Hitz, tells us. The current chief of intelligence at the C.I.A., John McLaughlin, says the agency is hot on the trail of Osama bin Laden, the suspected mastermind of the bombing of two American embassies in Africa last August -- and a veteran of the Afghan war. But without a spy in bin Laden's camp, that search will be a long one. Spies have been with us ever since Joshua took Jericho, and they are likely to be around for millennia to come. But many Americans wonder whether we need a C.I.A. at all. The fact is that secrecy and deception are central to what the C.I.A. is and does. They are essential to running an overseas intelligence service. But secrecy and deception are powerful tools -- and, in the wrong hands, dangerous weapons. The challenge for the C.I.A. after the cold war is trying to promote American interests -- secretly, deceptively -- without abusing American values. Forum Join a Discussion on The Future of the C.I.A. hosted by Tim Weiner. Dining With the Devil Aldrich Ames is caught President Bush talks about the future of the C.I.A. Osama bin Laden Spying on the Enemy: The Invisible Hand: Bill Casey's C.I.A.: Dining With the Devil: ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator
[CTRL] Fwd: FEMA: Behind Closed Doors
Report 1 of 3 The Federal Emergency Managment Agency "Behind Closed Doors" There exists in our government an entity with the power to take over the United States. This entity is known as the Federal Emergency Managment Agency (FEMA). Not only is FEMA the most powerful agency in the US, it was not created under Constitutional Law by Congress. It was created by a Presidential Executive Order, which bypasses the Congress's vote. Originally concieved during the Nixon administration FEMA's main goal was to assure the stability of the United States in the event of a nuclear attack. However over the years FEMA dissapeared into the secret world of the "black" government. During this time FEMA was also given teeth. Powers such as the power to move entire populations without notice (Executive Order #11004) and the power to take controll of all airports, seaports, both private and public (Executive Order #11003). And so FEMA sits, ever gaining more power, waiting for the time when a simple decleration of marshall law will be issued and FEMA will come into power. Sound like a fictional movie? That's probably because FEMA was used as the basis for a major conspiracy in the summer hit "The X-Files: Fight The Future" in which FEMA was used in the exact context I have just talked about. But this isn't a Hollywood creation. It's not something that was imagined, it's real. All of it. Including FEMA's relentless powers to litterally take over the United States. As I mentioned before FEMA was first thought up during the Nixon administration, but it wasn't really given it's powers untill a few years later during the Regan administration. This is where FEMA got it's teeth. Executive Order Number 12148 created FEMA and intercased it with the Department of Defence for civil defense planning. That ment that FEMA's secret billion dollar black budget could be given without anyone knowing where it was going. The term "black" which I have used before referes to something that is top secret, and even above that. Black projects are things that are untalked about, undiscussed, ext. Black agencies such as FEMA are groups which are not supposed to be publicly talked about. So what does any of this have to do with Civil Rights? Well, FEMA has been granted a number of powers which go absolutly against all things that we thought were Civil Rights. Infact, the entire Constitution of the United States can be ignored by FEMA. Imagine, an agency with the power to restrict US citizen movement within the US, isolate large groups of people, close off all borders, airports, seaports, and controll everything and anything that goes on within the US. If you can imagine that, then you can see FEMA's powers. You might think that it will take a long time for all these powers to ever go into effect, and that there must be some point in which they can not be used but that's wrong. FEMA can have all these powers used with a simple decleration of marshall law. Something that can be declared by any president at any time. Even the recent erruption in US military activity in the mid-east could be a basis for a decleration of marshall law to be signed. FEMA's deseptive role really didn't come into the publics eyes until Harricane Andres hit the US. At that point FEMA became a convinent target for media and Congressman alike. The discovery that FEMA was spending 12 times more for black projects then it was for disaster reliefe startled the researchers. Finding out that is spent $1.3 billion building a secret facility in Verginia didn't make the onlookers and researchers too happy iether. There are a few things that would easily bring FEMA into power. The main thing that is being watched right now is terrorism. One of the Executive Orders states that should any of these things occur, "threat of imminent nuclear attack, massive rioting, national disasters that affect widespread danger, massive terrorist attacks, a massive depression, or a major enviornmental disaster," FEMA will be granted power under marshall law. Well, as we all know the one that would be most likely to occur would be the terrorism. The thing that frightens conspiracy theorists such as myself is not the overwhelming power which FEMA has, aulthough that is obviously a large part of it. But the fact that with something like the terrorist threat, that could easily be acted out. Many believe that the Oklahoma bombing, however horrifying, was infact cause by the US military. And some pictures which have recently been discovered show evidance of this. But it is all too much to proove. What is known is that despite what is said FEMA has power that no agency should have. And an entity with that much power may not be able to be stopped now. The hope is that enough people that count will bring it up, and FEMA will be stripped of some of it's powers. (C) SGRA 1998 All Right Reserved By Jon Nowinski, SGRA (((For more information on the SGRA, or any other available reports contact Jon Nowinski
Re: [CTRL] Bald face liars testify to congress
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Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- A web site that supports the thoughts expressed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Kinney), and perhaps much more is: A HREF="http://www.masonicinfo.com/contents.htm"Contents of masonicinfo.com /A An easy wan to first explore this site is: A HREF="http://www.masonicinfo.com/sitemap.htm"Site Map/A Have fun. Enjoy. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nuke Waste Dump in Australia
Yahoo News Tuesday December 8, 1:12 PM Clinton adviser urges Australia to consider being world's nuclear dump. SYDNEY, Dec 8 (AFP) - Australia should consider an international plan to become a dumping ground for the world's nuclear waste, a top adviser to US President Bill Clinton said Tuesday, drawing immediate protests from environmentalists. Australia is in a unique position because of its geography and political stability to help the world solve the problem of where to store nuclear waste from bombs dismantled at the end of the Cold War, according to Clinton's special envoy on weapons of mass distruction, Robert Gallucci. "If Australia could appreciate the concept and decide it was in the national interest there would be enormous benefits for the world," he told The Australian newspaper. Australia was one of the few places in the world with the political and geological stability necessary for such a sensitive gatekeeping job, Galluci said. But environmentalists objected Tuesday, saying saddling Australia with the world's nuclear waste was short-sighted. "The government of Australia has only been around for 99 years," Larry O'Loughin, a campaigner for the Australian Conservation Foundation, told AFP. "It's a very optimistic outlook to say Australia's going to have a stable political outlook for 200,000 years. That's just farcical." Galluci, dean of the prestigious Georgetown University school of foreign service, said he had met Australian prime minister John Howard earlier this year but said they had not discussed the issue of nuclear waste. The Australian government has denied holding ministerial talks with the US on a possible waste dump and has offered no public support for the plan, a move that would draw the immediate ire of environmentalists. But the Clinton adviser said the White House had been briefed on an US company's proposal to establish a massive nuclear waste dump in remote parts of Australia's west and south, a plan he backed. "I don't think the US government is officially aware but there have been informal discussions about an approach to the Australian government at various levels," he told the newspaper. "Australia could play a pretty unique role if Australia was willing to do it." A video tape issued by Seattle-based Pangea promoting the idea of a massive Australian dump was leaked to Australian environmentalists last week, forcing the company to go public with its plans. According to the company, only two countries in the world -- Argentina and Australia -- have the needed stable geography and political systems for a nuclear dump like the one it is proposing.
[CTRL] Fwd: IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? (fwd)
Original message Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 04:36:45 EST From: Spirit Of Truth Page http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/ Subject: IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGNATION? By J. Adams December 8th, 1998 The Spirit Of Truth Page http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~jpa94001/ Monday's White House Press Briefing was opened with the announcement that President Clinton would give his State of the Union Address on Jan 19, 1999 - unusually early. January 20th is a key date if the president chooses to resign on this date because, as of the 20th, Al Gore will be eligible to serve two full terms as President on top of serving out the final two years of Clinton's presidency. Therefore, if Clinton were to resign the day after his State of the Union address, Al will effectively be able to serve up to ten years as President. When Nixon resigned in 1974, he did so after the Judiciary Committee voted for articles of impeachment but before the House actually voted for impeachment. The reason he timed his announced resignation at this point is most likely because, according to the U.S. Constitution (Article II Section 2): "The President shall ... have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Thus, in order to preserve Vice President Ford's ability to pardon President Nixon's criminal offenses, Nixon had to announce his resignation *before* the House voted for his formal impeachment. And this, of course, is precisely what happened. Nixon resigned before the House voted for impeachment and later, since no formal impeachment occurred, Ford was able to pardon him. The odds are that Clinton wants to avoid criminal prosecution and going to jail for his felonies more so than he wants to cling to the Presidency and try and ride out impeachment proceedings. Even if Clinton succeeds in not being removed from office for his crimes, he can, after his term ends after the year 2000, be criminally prosecuted and incarcerated for his crimes. If the House votes for his impeachment, the next president, and there's no guarantee the next president will be a Democrat, can NOT pardon him since the Constitution forbids pardons in cases of impeachment. Hence, if it looks like the House is going to vote for impeachment, it behooves Clinton to announce his resignation in order to stave-off such a vote. In this way, Gore will still be able to pardon Clinton for his crimes since Clinton was not formally impeached by the House of Representatives. Although it is still an open question in Constitutional Law debate, the odds are that Clinton can not hold-off announcing his resignation until after the House votes if he wants to preserve a possible pardon by Gore. If it looks like the House is going to vote for impeachment, it appears that Clinton MUST announce his resignation beforehand in order to stop his formal impeachment from taking place. If Clinton is going to announce his resignation in order to stop the House of Representatives from voting for his formal impeachment, it would be most strategic to announce that his resignation will be effective January 20th, 1999. As noted above, this will allow Gore to serve out the last two years of Clinton's presidential term and still be able to serve two additional full terms, i.e., Gore will be able to be President for up to ten years. Thus, the reason that the White House has announced an early State of the Union address is because, contrary to his stated promises to never resign, Clinton is planning to announce his resignation - effective January 20th, 1999, the day after his final State of the Union address - sometime during the next couple of weeks in order to stave-off a vote for formal impeachment by the House. (And yesthis would mean Clinton has told yet another lie!) Further indicating that resignation may be on the mind of President Clinton, a leading Democratic Senator, Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, has reportedly agreed to receive Ross Perot's petitions calling on the President to resign "for the good of the country, for the sake of our children". According to Robert Hillman of the Dallas Morning News (12/8/98): "Petition signatures sought by Ross Perot to persuade President Clinton to resign will be sent to the Democratic Connecticut senator who was an early critic of the president's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Russell Verney, chairman of the Perot-founded Reform Party who helped coordinate the petition drive, said Sen. Joseph
[CTRL] Y2K threatens rural counties
-Caveat Lector- Begin Forwarded Message Source: Reuters December 8, 1998 Y2K threatens rural counties Survey shows half of U.S. counties have no strategic plans to tackle Y2K problems. By Vicky Stamas Half of the United States' counties have no strategic plans to tackle millennium bug computer problems that could snarl everything from ambulances to railroad signal lights to drinking water supplies, the National Association of Counties said Tuesday. In the first survey of its size at the local level, the group, which represents the nation's 3,069 counties, said only 50 percent of the 500 counties it surveyed last month are ready for potentially disastrous computer snafus on January 1, 2000. Sparsely populated rural counties are lagging most. 'To ignore the Y2K problem is to walk barefoot through a Nebraska pasture infested with rattlesnakes.' -- Tim Lowenstein, supervisor of Buffalo County, Neb. With only 13 months left before Year 2000, "urgency is the name of the game," said Terry Wood, who handles such problems for Montgomery County, Maryland. "It is a critical problem that has the potential for disaster," Betty Lou Ward, president of the group said. Rural counties fatalistic The Year 2000 problem stems from the early days of computers when memory was a precious commodity. Programmers used only two digits to indicate the year, and this may now cause computers to recognize 2000 as 1900 and crash or give inaccurate data. Most vulnerable are the thousands of small, rural counties dotting the nation, officials said. Of the 119 counties surveyed with less than 10,000 people, 74 have no countywide plans to prevent possible chaos. "They look at the problem as beyond their ability to solve," Tim Lowenstein, supervisor of Buffalo County, Neb., said of rural counties. "(But) to ignore the problem is to walk barefoot through a Nebraska pasture infested with rattlesnakes," he said, stressing the problem is "fixable" by even the tiniest localities. Girding for gridlock By contrast, all but one of the 16 counties surveyed with half-a-million or more people said they had countywide plans, the survey found. Asked for worst-case scenarios, officials described cities with elevators marooned on 30th floors, traffic grids paralyzed by dark traffic signals, and 911 emergency response systems thrown into chaos. But officials said many counties are making progress. While some have no strategic plan, 91 percent have hired someone to handle the problem and officials in 77 percent of those counties have already begun working on the issue. As for the pricetag, Los Angeles County, the largest in the survey, said it will cost $155 million to fix the problem. By contrast, tiny Ohio County, Indiana, with a population of 5,458, expected $400,000 in costs. Other findings In other findings, less than half of counties have tackled the stickiest Year 2000 problem -- searching systems for embedded computer chips that must be checked. And less than one third those surveyed plan to test their systems countywide, even though such systems often are linked. Nearly three quarters have no stopgap plans if the emergency systems they put in place fail, added the survey, prepared for the group by National Research, Inc. Overall, 23 percent of counties said they will spend the most to fix computers involved in general government administration while 16 percent said fixing tax and finance systems will be the costliest, the study said. Eleven percent said modifying emergency response systems will cost the most while nine percent cited fixing court related programs. Copyright (c) 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
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On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
What is your basic gripe about "white liberals"?
My 'gripe' as you put it is not with white liberals, but white
Liberals
The 'capital L' variety are big on mouthing platitudes, but are the worst
racists and sexists around...
They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk...
I'm curious. I'm a
Native American (of European-Native American ancestry)...and I don't
remember "white conservatives" or "white libertarians," for that matter,
risking their lives on freedom rides to the south to end segregation in
That is because you remember liberals of the 'small L' variety...
BTW, I consider myself a white liberal (small L)...
I guess I must be one of the deluded masses... I have two daughters of
my own... I want them to be strong feminists...
I consider myself a feminist too...but not a Feminist, and I hope you're
not raising your daughters to be the 'capital F' variety...
okay, what's the difference between the 'capital' and 'small letter'
variety? the 'capital' variety wear their designation like jewelry, an
adornment for show which is not an integral part of their being...
the 'small letter' variety just ARE...their philosophies are such an
integral part of their being, they just live it without thinking about it
(or feeling the need to crow about it and call attention to it)...
this applies to Conservatives/conservatives, too...
his property. So, I'm one hundred percent for women being free of the
kind of crap they had to put up with back in the pre-60s era
Then you don't want them to marry a white male Liberal, who are worst
sexists than any conservative or Conservative I've ever met...
On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote:
Yeah I bet you like this. You're the fool who studies philosophy at feet
of that loonytwat JanaButterfly.
With the above statement, Joshua proves my point regarding the typical
white male Liberal's attitude towards women...
I notice you don't take exception to Joshua, good Liberal that he is,
referring to women by a pornographic term for the female sex organ...
I guess you don't mind if your daughters, of Native American descent, are
called squaws then...even tho the term 'squaw' means female genitalia...
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[CTRL] Please help locked out union guys get thru this holiday season.
-Caveat Lector- ~~~ A PLEA FOR HELP!!! ~~~ With the Christmas season approaching, please look into your heart to help those in need. Hundreds of National Basketball Association basketball players in our very own country are living at or just below the seven-figure salary level! And, as if that weren't bad enough, they will be deprived of pay for several weeks-possibly a whole year-as a result of the current lock-out situation. But now, you can help! For only $20,835 a month, about $694.50 a day (that's less than the cost of a large screen projection TV) you can help a basketball player remain economically viable during his time of need. This contribution by no means solves the problem, as it barely covers the yearly league minimum, ...but it's a start! Almost $700 may not seem like a lot of money to you, but to a basketball player it could mean the difference between a vacation spent golfing in Florida or a Mediterranean cruise. For you, seven hundred dollars is nothing more than two months rent or mortgage payments. But to a basketball player, $700 will almost replace his daily salary. Your commitment of less than $700 a day will enable a player to buy that home entertainment center, trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari, or enjoy a weekend in Rio. HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING? Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the player you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other investment holdings will be mailed to your home. You'll also get information on how he plans to invest the $5 million lump sum he will receive upon retirement. Plus upon signing up for this program, you will receive a photo of the player (unsigned-for a signed photo, please include an additional $50.00). Put the photo on your refrigerator to remind you of other peoples' suffering. HOW WILL HE KNOW I'M HELPING? Your basketball player will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND who just wants to help in a time of need. Although the player won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator just in case additional funds are needed for unexpected expenses. YES, I WANT TO HELP! I would like to sponsor a striking NBA basketball player. My preference is checked below: [ ] Starter [ ] Reserve [ ] Star(Higher cost) [ ] Superstar (Much higher cost) [ ] Entire team (Please call our 900 number to ask for the cost ) of a specific team (Cheerleaders not included.)) [ ] I'll sponsor a player most in need. Please select one for me. Please charge the account listed below $694.50 per day for a reserve player or starter for the duration of the strike. Please send me a picture of the player I have sponsored, along with a team logo and my very own NBA Players Association badge to wear proudly on my lapel. Your Name:___ Telephone Number: ___ Account Number: ___ Exp.Date:___ [ ] MasterCard [ ] Visa [ ] American Express [ ] Discover Signature:___ Mail completed form to NBA Players Association or call 1-900-2MUCH now to enroll by phone. Note: Sponsors are not permitted to contact the player they have sponsored, either in person or by other means including, but not limited to, telephone calls, letters, e-mail, or third parties. Keep in mind that the basketball player you have sponsored will be much too busy enjoying his free time, thanks to your generous donations. Contributions are not tax-deductible. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Holiday praise for Alan.
-Caveat Lector- Praise to Alan Greenspan, for Protecting the Rich by Michael M. Thomas This column is being written in advance of the Great American Holiday of Thanksgiving, but won't appear until afterward. Still, the sentiment is there. Herewith, a few chestnuts which, in a just world, would be stuffed up the orifices of the turkeys concerned. Let us give thanks for the good fortune that enabled (so reports a well-placed Greenwich, Conn., source in disgust) various, perhaps most partners of Long-Term Capital Management to move key assets into their wives' names before the firm's collapse. The sort of assets that keep a lad and lady climbing in and out of limousines, the funds necessary to call for the check opening night at Daniel, the golf club subscriptions paid up, the Costa Ricans assiduously clipping the manicured hedges and lawns, the money that lets the partners' wives keep shopping without missing a beat. For His bounties to such as these, thanks be to God. Let us also give thanks for the New Deal, which set the precedent for the Welfare and Family Assistance programs to which the immediate victims of Long-Term Capitals failure can thankfully turn this holiday season: the firms secretaries, its clerks and back-office help, including the boy who made sure the caviar in the executive refrigerator was the proper temperature (before the sturgeon eggs were hastily redistributed along Round Hill Road, that is). For His mercy in looking out for the little people, thanks be to God. Let us raise our voices to give thanks on behalf of these people, and their families, and the banks that hold the mortgages on their modest houses in Pelham and Stamford, and the issuers of their credit cards. They are probably in no mood to celebrate Thanksgiving themselves, in no mood to rejoice that through the miracle of sheer good timing, the children of John Meriwether's partners will still get their holiday ski trips and BMWs while their own will go toyless (try explaining to a 7-year-old that food stamps under the tree is the way Christmas is supposed to work in a proper postmodern capitalist economy). But it is the will of God, as we have been told since 1982, that the rich set a motivating example to the less fortunate. Such is the gospel of Comparative Advantage. For giving even to the least among us the eyes to see that it must be so, thanks be to God. Let us give thanks for a system that permits the fat cats to strut in Armani after failed trillion-dollar desperation bets on mortgage-backed securities, and the bankers who financed those bets with money backed by the taxpayers to get in their Thanksgiving paddle tennis in Locust Valley, while the little people who availed themselves of the mortgages that back those securities may lose their houses, along with the (Van Heusen) shirts off their backs. No risk, no reward: ah, yes, thanks be to God. Let us give thanks that we don't have to trouble our own digestions by demanding certain knowledge that we ought to have. Such as (this time I'm going to put it in capital letters): WHAT DID GREENSPAN KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT? Or this one: Why has no list of the investors in Long-Term Capital, the true beneficiaries of the bailout, been published? Might anyone or any institution affiliated with The New York Times or other major media have been an investor in Long-Term Capital? For seeing that our minds not be clouded with such questions (let alone the answers), or by silly, misleading terms like "fraudulent conveyance," thanks be to God. Let us give thanks indeed for our great media. An uninformed polity is the key to global capitalism and those who pluck the sweetest harmonies from its strings. People who know nothing can be made to believe anything. The mystic chords of memory must be raised to a frequency only dogs can hear. Such is the gospel of postmodern capitalism, its Beatitudes and Commandments, as vouchsafed to Alfred E. Newman as he slouched toward Bethlehem on his skateboard to be born, unworried to the very last. Such is the gospel our media go forth to spread; Such is the work of the Lord--apparently. There is not one among us who should not daily kneel and say: For Barbara Walters and our anchor people and our talking heads, for Peter and Tom and Dan and Jerry (as in Springer), for newspapers that give us the skinny on the latest in vulval depilatory fashions while children grow hungry and white-collar criminals gorge, thanks be to God. Let us indeed give thanks for the wisdom and vision of Alan Greenspan. Is it thanks to Thy enlightenment, perhaps visited upon him in a moment of awful clarity, as he paused from licking the boots of Wall Street and raised his face to heaven, that he alone was vouchsafed to gaze upon the
Re: [CTRL] Jews use Christian blood for matzoh.
-Caveat Lector- How hokey can you get!?! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: More M. Brussell Quotes/Psychosurgery
SALIENT BRUSSELL QUOTES Judith ABR [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1998 _ Introduction Here are a few of Mae Brussell's salient quotes from her article, "Why Was Patricia Hearst Kidnapped?,"1974, The Realist's Conspiracy Newsletter, which may have a bearing upon larger conspiracy issues and government black projects. Brussell's published works, in compilations, are available through conspiracy magazine Prevailing Winds (Box 23511, Santa Barbara, CA 93121 (805) 899-3433.(805) 899-4773 F, subscription rate $20/four issues) and original copies of The Realist can be found through bookstores nationally that advertise http://www.interloc.com. Especially see the last quote included in this review by Dr. J. Delgado as part of Congressional testimony about psychosurgery. __ According to James McCord's book, A Piece of Tape, the question, "why was Patricia Hearst kidnapped?" was the question asked by John Dean of L. Patrick Gray, who was in charge of handling the Watergate investigation. Gray's answer was "Charles Bates -- the same FBI official in charge of handling the SLA investigation." Mae Brussell's main theory about who was responsible for handling the kidnapping of Patty Hearst was that it was an FBI undercover operation, the SLA were prisoners and political dissidents turned FBI agents, and Heart was brainwashed and mind controlled by the FBI. This is complex thinking on Brussell's part, however, her notion that the FBI were intentionally staging community crimes for the purposes of controlling the fears and thoughts of an nation is a notion which underlies all significant conspiracy work. And these theories are proving true to many who research conspiracy themes. The next logical jump is to assume that a larger power source is, through psychosurgery and psychochemicals and biochemicals, intentionally controlling all aspects of what is rapidly becoming a dysfunctional society in the United States. The FBI uses and forces the "best and brightest" political dissidents, then, to stage crimes. The kidnapping of Hearst, therefore, could have been an abduction effort, very possibly orchestrated to convert her into an agent by someone else who wanted this to occur. Pervading Mae Brussell's in depth article are her overall theories about the FBI's role in controlling the country and it is these quotes from this article which are included below to aid researchers who may want to use these in their writings. ""You only need to have a tape recorder to set up a revolutionary movement today." FBI Director, Charles Bates, San Francisco." [pre-1974 quote] p. 1 (...) "SLA-BC (Before Cremation) A small band if people brought together in the San Francisco Bay Area, California. Through various manipulations, military intelligence infiltrated radical groups, specifically the prison's Black Guerilla Family, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, United Farm Workers, China Defense Fund, Venceremos and the Women's Movement. These targets of the FBI and police were to be associated with the importation of persons from out of state. Some local women were incorporated in the group to lend authenticity." p. 1 (...) SLA-CIA More "liberation armies," fictitious messages, forged documents, infiltrators and spies will surface. Legitimate reform groups will continue to be discredited by acts of violence committed in their names. Peaceful rallies will be destroyed by intelligence agents. The organized disruption of the anti-war movement and rock concerts that took place during the 60s will escalate. The kidnappings and bombings will be blamed on the SLA, or "dedicated to the memory of the six slain SLA members." These planned acts of violence will include chemical warfare. (p.1) (...) [Brussell saw the Hearst kidnapping as hearlding a whole new era in U.S. history, that of an interior guerilla war handled and maintained by the FBI for the express purpose of controlling the U.S. public and media.] "The kidnapping of Patricia Campbell Hearst was as vital to the creation of the Symbionese Liberation Army as the murder of Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to the beginning of WWI. Both the kidnapping and the murder were used as an excuse to declare war. The ensuing battles had been carefully prepared and anticipated by the merchants of death. The end goal of the SLAl - WWIII - is to plunge the Third World masses into starvation and slavery. We have accomplished this through the CIA in 77 countries. The Third World inside the United States is the next selected victim. The SLA was nurtured inside the American prison system. This will provide the excuse to isolate prisons from future visitors, creating private Dachaus and another Auschwitz. The SLA was created in order to spread terror and fear across the country. There will be a forced response upon existing radicals. Domestic chaos will result. " p. 2 (...) "Under the guise of
[CTRL] Fwd: HAARP Report (1)
*** HAARP *** High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project (View From Atop HAARP's Antenna. Not The White Building In The Distance Is OP Center) A military base outside of Fairbanks Alaska is the site of a massive construction project. This site, called Gakona, has been picked as the setup place for the HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project). This project's goal is to build a huge ionospheric heater. Nearly five years about environmental activists got word of this construction and HAARP came into public view. This location was probably a bit farther away then researcher would have wanted it to be, but the site was freed up after a cold war project was canceled there. All this provoked near-hysteria among a few radio hams and environmentalists in Alaska. Several unsettling articles and books were written. When these were completely dismissed by mainstream media in the contiguous 48 states, HAARP made the Most Censored News Stories list for 1994. It was not to be talked about. But the problem is not going away, it's growing. The HAARP project is something like the Tesla deathray. In fact, that's almost exactly what it is. It's main purpose is to be used as some form of defense probably in connection with Reagan's SDI, the ultimate militarization of space, and the most disproportionately expensive research program in the history of the human race. The main worry over HAARP is the environmental effect. Alaska is one of the last places where we have not ruined yet, but that's quickly changing with the oil spills and other things that are going on there. So how is HAARP going to affect the Alaskan wilderness? Unfortunately as well as frighteningly there is no answer for those questions. Another question that cannot be answered is the question of what HAARP's purpose really is. HAARP beams a small "ray" of energy up into the atmosphere, and the reason it's been called a death ray is because if anything is in it's way it would be instantly destroyed. Hum ... so that means that if the small ray is bounced off satellites in orbit around earth it could hit anywhere in the world causing mass destruction. Gee, this reminds me of 1908 when Nikola Tesla tested a device in Long Island, New York and half way around the world a massive explosion destroyed Tunguska, a part of Russia's Siberia. Other research, especially in Alaska, seemed to demonstrate that the ionosphere has a greater connection to thunderstorms than once believed. This gave increased credibility to claims that the Eastlund supermachine could modify the weather, anywhere in the hemisphere, at will, for better or worse. On the subject of weather, have you noticed the strange developments in weather lately? Warm where it should be snowing ... snowing where it should be mild... Tornados in California ... what's next? Something that could modify weather could be a cause of this ... couldn't it? Well, it gets better so if you're not in for some really interesting connections turn back now. (Over Head View Of HAARP) So, now we are up for looking into the connections between the HAARP and some of the strange project which Nikola Tesla devoted most of this life to. While Tesla is viewed with other great inventors of our time he's visions were years ahead of theirs. Thought Tesla died broke his inventions were being used all over the world. Some of his ideas were so advanced that they were taken for back magic, or at least mad science. Tesla's later years are still unexplained. Much of what he did is not known. His "death ray" may have been a particle beam that he tried to sell to the US Military as an antiaircraft weapon. And conspiracy buffs will never let us forget that after his death in 1943 much of Tesla's papers were taken by the US military! The real idea for the HAARP/Tesla connection doesn't come from any death ray machine, but rather from Tesla's idea to provide free power to the world via the "Tesla Coil." Although the evidence for the HAARP being connected with either Tesla's "death ray" or his "Tesla coil" is high many still believe that HAARP is just a radio transmitter. Truth or not the HAARP project has gone down in the history of conspiracies. Weather it is a huge death ray, or just a large transmitter the project is now gaining the attention of not only the public, but many people in Washington. So now all that's left to do is sit back and watch the reactions. Our job here is done. We have provided to you with information, now it's time to make your own decision. Go in peace. ** (C) SGRA 1998 this is journalism - mention does not imply agreement no opinions are Primenet's not all are mine
[CTRL] Loop hole?
-Caveat Lector- "Please note: the 'definition' was offered by the Jones' lawyers and later modified by the judge. I am not sure WHAT source any of the above used as a defining and definitive definition with any definiteness. The crux of the argument is whether one OR two people have to be so engaged as to whatever happened qualifying as fitting the definition." == Baloney, the defination included any touching of sex organs also ... breast, penis, ... Clinton touched her breast, the cigar trick, oral sex with his penis... Clinton and every one who testified that he did not have sex under that defination are bald face liars. = On top of these lies He didn't remember who she was He was never alone with her About 30 bald face lies === Mislead? When asked if clinton lied, clinton's liars keept on rephrasing it to mislead. Take a look at your dictionary and under lie and liar you will find that one who knowlingly misleads others is A LIAR ! = Not worth going to prison over? If a politician does the very same thing as someone else who is branded a criminal, that politician is a criminal. No politician felon should be able to hold their office when it is proven they are CRIMINIALS just like non politicians who are fined, and/or imprisoned for the very same act. Perjury is a felony, Clinton is a felon. Now they want to let their criminal partner keep the job of the president? = If perjury is not a criminal act, then ask those democrats if they are going to take the crime specifications out of the law books ... or if perjury is a felony only for non politicians? === The best question I have seen to ask clinton and the witch is... What do you think should happen to someone who grabbed your daughter (chelsie) by the croch and pulled out his ... for her to suck. What is good for every other American is good for the Clintons. = Purjury is a crime when you don't belong to one of the party mob families. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jews use Christian blood for matzoh.
-Caveat Lector- Just when you think the world is drowning in a sea of idiots, along comes confirmation in the form of the Nazi PRICK who forwarded this BULLSHIT!!! I don't know who the list owner is, but if you are content with your list becoming a haven for bigoted scum, do me a favor and unsub me. And as for the aforementioned PRICK, how may this kind of trash be considered any type of "proof" of the charges mentioned, when it is issued from an, apparent, ARAB periodical? Edward []===[] "If you think they're out to get you, you're right." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Nurev: Jews use Christian blood for matzoh.
-Caveat Lector- Never mind, Nurev. I have decided to call my local synagogue and ask them to change their practice of butchering Christians to butchering brain-dead Neo-Nazis. Would you like to volunteer to be their first entree? There certainly wouldn't be any waste to humanity. Edward []===[] "If you think they're out to get you, you're right." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [25c]George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / THYROID STORM
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush25.htm A HREF="http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush25.htm"Bush book: Chapter -25-/A --[25c]-- August 14: Bush's rage profile was once more on display as he called for an extension of the federal death penalty in a Pittsburgh speech that was also full of racist overtones. Addressing the National Convention of the Fraternal Order of Police, Bush ranted that "the time has come to show less compassion for the architects of crime and more compassion for its victims. Our citizens want and deserve to feel safe." "We must remember that the first obligation of a penal system is to punish those who break our lawsYou can't turn bad people into saints." Bush wanted courts to be able to use evidence that had been seized illegally: "There's no reason -- none at all-- that good police officers should be penalized and criminals freed because a judge or a lawyer bungled a search warrant." Journalists noted that the speech and the setting were typical of the standard campaign event of 1988, which was often a police group endorsing Bush, courtesy of the CIA Office of Security. The photo of Bush in the Washington Post is expressive of Bush's anger when making the speech. [fn 57] August 21: The Soviet putsch was a trying time for Bush, who staked a great deal on his deal with Gorbachov. A remarkable flare- up by Bush came in response to the opinion expressed by Zviad Gamsakhurdia, the president of the Republic of Georgia, that Gorbachov was part of the conspiracy behind the coup. Bush, asked for a reaction, was incensed: Bush: --say to him he needs to get a little work done on the kind of statements he's making. I mean that's ridiculous. There's a man who has been also swimming against the tide, it seems to me, a little bit. And I don't want to go overboard on this, but he ought to get with it and understand what's happening around the world. Q: Are you saying that-- Bush: To suggest that President Gorbachov would plot to put the people of the Soviet Union through this kind of trauma and the rest of the world through it just makes absolutely no sense at all. Now, I haven't heard him say that, so I want to hedge it. You've told me he said it; I haven't heard it. So, I've got to be very careful I don't react to something that may not be true. I learned that one a long time ago. Here we can see that Bush pulled himself together just enough to leave himself an escape hatch after he had blown his top. September 11: In a photo opportunity with Congressmen in which he was asked about his demand that the Congress postpone a vote on loan guarantees for Israel until January, 1992, so as to permit a Middle East peace conference to take place in the meantime, Bush showed flareups of rage. Bush's ploy was widely thought to be part of the preparation of an Israeli "breakaway ally" scenario, in which Israel, defying the wishes of Washington, would wage war against Jordan, mass-deport the Palestinians, and possibly attack other Arab states. Bush had been accused of anti-semitism by a minority member of the Israeli cabinet. Was he going to lose a confrontation with the formidable Zionist lobby? This issue was Bush's obsession of the moment; his reply was testy and full of veiled threats: "Well, I don't know what you mean by lose on it. What I'm for is the peace process to be successful, and we're working diligently for that. [...] And so, what I'm suggesting is a simple delay here, in my view and in the view of all of us in the administration, is the best way to set the proper tone for these talks to start. And I feel very strongly about it. So, it's not a question of winning or losing in my view. Strong-willed people look at these matters differently. My view is that a delay is in the interest, and I'm going to fight for it. And I think the American people will back me on it if we take the case to the people. But what we're really trying to do is work it out without getting into a lot of confrontation." Was a confrontation not already taking place ? Bush answered, with his rage quotient rising: "I can take quite a few punches. We're talking about working harmoniously together in the spirit of cooperation. And I've seen comments from abroad that I didn't particularly appreciate. But we're the United States of America, and we have a leadership role around the world that has to be fulfilled. And I'm calling the shots in this question in the way that I think is best. And I've got some selling to do with certain Members of Congress, and that's understandable to me. So, we'll see how it comes out. But I'm not approaching this in the spirit of confrontation if that's the question. You haven't seen any real controversial statements coming out of here up till now." September 12: At a press conference, the issue of the Israeli loan guarantee postponement was once again the central theme. Bush was in a controlled rage state during his opening statement, and went ballistic during the
[CTRL] [25b]George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / THYROID STORM
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush25.htm A HREF="http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush25.htm"Bush book: Chapter -25-/A --[25b]-- As will shortly become clear, there would have been good reason to investigate Bush's frequent episodes of apoplectic rage as a causal factor in the autoimmune disorders of his immediate family circle. The most likely explanation for the afflictions of Millie and Barbara is that they were both driven frantic by George's obsessive and rage-filled outbursts in the White House family quarters. This may have included various forms of mental and even physical abuse. The emotional trauma of living with George would be more than enough to produce autoimmune problems in those around him. Perhaps in an attempt to distract attention from this highly plausible path of investigation, Marilyn Quayle was sent forward to tell CNN of a plan to test the water at the vice president's residence at the Naval Observatory, where George and Barbara had lived for eight years before moving to the White House. Mrs. Quayle told the media that Bush's White House physicians had "ordered all sorts of tests" on the water in the vice president's residence, which is over a century old. "Obviously there is a little bit of concern," said Mrs. Quayle. "It seems a little bit much of a coincidence. I don't worry overmuch about it, but I think it's something that does bear looking into." Mrs. Quayle added that she hoped the results of the tests "relieve a lot of people's minds-- definitely, I hope they relieve mine." What Marilyn Quayle was referring to was part of a program to test the water at the White House, the Naval Observatory, Camp David, and Kennebunkport. Sanitary engineers were said to be looking for concentrations of iodine and lithium, two chemicals which had been linked to thyroid disorders. Bush's doctors later said that they had ordered the tests in the hopes of uncovering clues to the remarkable coincidence of three autoimmune disorders in the Bush household, including the dog Millie. Bush's pose was one of studied skepticism: "You're kidding," he told reporters. "I'm not going to lose confidence in the water at the White House until we know a little more about this," Bush said. In any case, the water at the White House "tasted fine to me." [fn 33] During the visit of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, Bush described himself as "dead tired" on one occasion during the visit. During a May 20 press conference with Chancellor Helmut Kohl of Germany, Bush spoke with a raspy voice, and his attention seemed to wander. When asked about his poor performance with Kohl, Bush conceded that he had experienced "slowing down on the mental processes." On more than one occasion, he seemed to lose his train of thought during answers to the questions of the journalists. The raspy voice was still noticeable in a press conference on May 21. On that same day, the White House announced the results of what was billed as Bush's first complete checkup since the day he swallowed radioactive iodine. The White House said that Bush had lost a total of 13 pounds since the onset of the crisis, but had managed to gain back a pound and a half. Tests showed that Bush's thyroid functions were now in the low-normal range, it was further alleged. Doctors tried to explain away Bush's fatigue by saying that it reflected the body's adjustment to a thyroid gland which was overactive less than two weeks before, but had now possibly become underactive as a result of the radioactive iodine therapy, which had destroyed many thyroxin-producing cells. By this point, Bush was still taking digoxin, procainamide, Coumadin, aspirin, and non-radioactive iodine drops. These last, it was said, were designed to reduce the amounts of thyroxin entering the bloodstream. [fn 34] Bush was in Kennebunkport for Memorial Day, and the White House propaganda machine was churning out the line was that he was now well on his way to complete recovery. "I'm sleeping much better and I really do feel good and I wish I had about four more days here," Bush told the press. "Been taking a little sleep after lunch here, which is good. Been sleeping very well." During this weekend, Bush tried fishing at nine of his favorite locations. On Sunday, May 26, Bush played a total of 27 holes of golf. Reporters found that he was back to his old ways as he "circled the golf course like a man on a merry-go-round." When he "passed the 18th hole once again on this vacation, he exuberantly flung a golf club at his cart and looked horrified when it nearly hit one of his Secret Service guards." According to press reports, Bush was still suffering from dryness of mouth. He had reduced his intake of caffeine, and of alcohol. On Monday, May 27, Bush traveled to New Haven to speak at the Yale commencement, and lost three pounds due to the rigors of the trip. On Tuesday, after he had returned to Kennebunkport, he told reporters: "Yesterday I got a little tired at
Re: [CTRL] 010.000 HATE SPEECH
-Caveat Lector- Hey, June-- I admit Joshua2 has gone overboard but in the past two decades, it seems to me that it hasn't been "liberal white males" but conservatives--mostly Republicans, but conservatives of every stripe who have fought against ERA, against abortion and a woman's right to choose, and done everything in their power to keep women in the kitchen. The corporate wife and the gracious hostess is the conservative model. Even today most women in public roles are praised for beautification projects, interior decorating, hospital visits and involvement with children--even Princess Di fits this bill. Admittedly, most men have had trouble grasping what it is that "women want", but it seems to me that those who define themselves as "liberal" have made more of an effort to understand than most. Sounds like you have had a bad experience and have your own axe to grind. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Did You Know 9 pt1
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I read many pleas from strange people on this list that liberals like me should read the oceans of material that they eagerly recommend. Like most people, i am highly selective about what i read - no human can possibly read it all. Perhaps you have surrounded your time, thoughts, and person with too much rubbish and you need to go for more quality. Jerry Harp have you read anything outside of the party line on waco, speaking of trash. sirhC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
