Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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I concur with your observation (more than one who might refer to them as:

"The French are all vulgar troglodytes who rarely bathe and stink of rancid
coffee and fetid wine.").  Ah, c'est la vie.

Having lived and studied among the natives thereof, I gained a different
sense of perspective.  The French are unique in the sense they have
survived in pretty much their same geographic location for centuries and
once held title to a good portion of Europe.  I have experienced the
parochiality of nationalism / statism from all over -- I think it kind of
goes with the territory.  One of the most obvious examples we have in the
U.S. is the license plate holder or bumper sticker that reads "Don't mess
with Texas".  Of course my bias is determined by my first-hand experiences
yet understand the impressions others have.  I almost got into an argument
with a French soldier in Spier, Germany (one of the French's last vestiges
of occupation), over which language we were going to speak:  he insisted on
American - I on French; he had the food, I was hungry, he won.

When living in Turkey, Americans were appalled at the discovery that Turks
didn't speak the American language; similar expressions of 'our'
nationalism have been observed in almost every location the U.S. stationed
forces -- Americans have well demonstrated their own brand of chauvinism
since saving the world from the 3rd Reich and Tojo.

As far a their (and other countries') capitulation during WW2, I think the
emphasis was on preserving their physical culture (buildings, monuments,
and other components of their cities) and waiting for the opportune time
for them to oust the invaders.  When you go to France, almost nothing seems
to have changed in eons.  When looking at the condition of Frankfurt and
other German cities after WW2, I would have to concede the French played
their hand fairly well -- as did the Belgians, the Dutch, and others who
served to soften up the Wehrmacht -- some of the architecture is
unbelievable.  Frankfurt was almost completely rebuilt in the years
following the war.

When living outside of Frankfurt in the early '90s, one real significant
omission was the influence of the French culture, namely restaurants (a
French word), although there was an abundance of Chinese, Italian, and
other eastern/southern European fare -- even a Korean one or two.
Likewise, in France, little German influence.  After the two of them fought
so often over adjacent territories, I suppose there're still some tensions.
 I can't wait to see how the Euro fares and who wins out given the ages old
feuding, warring and nationalist posturing.



A<>E<>R

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new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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: From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]
: Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 1:45 PM
:
: The problem with the French, IMHO, is that they always proceed on the
: assumption that their way of doing things is not simply the *right* way,
it is
: the *only* way. They suffer, not from a lack of national self-esteem, but
from
: too much self-esteem. "Chauvinism," after all, took its name from an
officer
: in Napoleon's army.
:
: Bob
:
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[CTRL] New Book Probes Princess Diana Death

[Brian Redman]

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NEW BOOK PROBES PRINCESS DIANA DEATH


(CNNS,  01/11/99)  --  "Ru  Mills"  (pseudonym)  has  authored  a
soon-to-be  published   book   which   probes  the  circumstances
surrounding the death of Princess Diana in August 1997.

The book,  tentatively  titled,  "Diana,  Queen  of  Heaven,"  is
apparently  the first to question whether the death of Lady Diana
was truly  a  car  accident.   Information  in  the book strongly
suggests that Lady  Diana  was  murdered,  as  the  result  of  a
conspiracy against her.

"Ru  Mills"  is  well  known to readers of Conspiracy Nation News
Service and has an impressive background.  Her deep-cover sources
routinely provide her  with  inside  information  which has often
proven to be prescient.

Besides  questioning  whether  Diana's  death   was   really   an
"accident,"  Mills  elaborates  on  how  the revered image of the
princess may be used  to  promote  a  "New World Religion."  In a
memo sent to CNNS, she discusses how holographic technology could
be used to help foster a religious mania.

Quoting  from  a  political  newsletter,  Mills  buttresses   her
argument:

  The  'Blue  Beam'  project will pretend to be the universal
  fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event  as
  that  which  took place 2000 years ago (the birth of Jesus,
  son of God).

  In principle, 'Blue Beam'  will  make  use  of the sky as a
  movie screen as spaced based  laser  generating  satellites
  project simultaneous images to  the  four  corners  of  the
  planet, in every  language,  in  every dialect according to
  region.

  The 'Blue Beam' project deals with the religious aspect  of
  the New World Order and is a large scale seduction.

  With computer animation and sound effects appearing to come
  from the  depths  of  space,  astonished  followers  of the
  various  creeds  will witness their own returned messiah in
  spectacularly convincing life like realness.

  (Washington   Report   A   monthly   Washington   Political
  Newsletter, February 1995, Volume 16)

With "Millenium Madness" on the rise, secret forces pushing for a
"New World Order" could well  have  an  image of "Diana, Queen of
Heaven," set to be "broadcast" on the biggest movie screen  ever:
the wide open sky.

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)]

[Jim Norman]

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote:
> >--and the north treated them with respect?  The South had farms  The North had
> >Manufacturing.
>
> And professional positions not open to them in the south...

What professional positions?  There were lots of positions not available to lots of
people.  You make it sound like "if you were white you got the big professional job
with the big bucks."  and if you were black, you got nothing.  This is bunk.  You'll
have to come up with something better than this.  I don't even think you believe this.

>
>
> >It may help to remember that the North, after winning the Civil
> >war did not free their slaves as they forced the South to.  And Lincoln had no
> >intentions of freeing the slaves until he needed an issue to keep France and Spain
> >out of the war.  You remember that part don't you?
>
> I know very well that Lincoln was not 'The Great Emancipator' that
> history has made him out to be...and I also know that the Emancipation
> Proclamation was made to keep ENGLAND from entering the war on the side
> of the Confederacy, NOT France and Spain...France and Spain had no overt
> interest in the war, while England was extremely dependent on the cotton
> imported from the American South...

>
> ---Well now, we have a start...
> >> 1. I don't know why you say black men were not able bodied;
>
> _I_ didn't...YOU seemed to imply it in your statement...
>

nope, I have nothing but respect for the folks I grew up with.

>
> You also didn't answer my question regarding how many blacks got
> positions of importance in the factories and offices, positions vacated
> by able-bodied white men who were off to war...
>

---I don't know. That was not my job.  I do know that there were many free black men
who owned large successful farms who would not give two jerks for a 'position of
importance'.

>
> >> 2.  None of the folks (including whites) who lived in Claxton were capable of
> >> supervising or managing a factory;and
>
> So the only thing you can state with any authority is what you observed
> as a very young child who was a member of a race which had more
> privileges than those of the black race, processed thru a child's
> perspective, and limited to a very specific (and not normal) era,
> and a small geographical area which was not necessarily indicative of the
> South as a whole...
>
> ---Now we're making progress.  The things I state with any authority is what I
> observed , first hand over a period of 14 years total, as a very yound child (who
> worked 10 hours a day and had no childhood) thru puberty as a member of the white
> race... and limited to a very specific era and a small geographical area which was
> indicative of simular area's all over this country.  There was area's of racial
> violence, in some parts of the country, but it was not the normal.  Lots of kid's,
> like me, were raised in this fashion.  Having a 'position of authority' was not
> important to any of us.  Having a good rifle to shoot squirrels with and a good sharp
> knife were higher priority.  My uncle would not go the the outhouse without a sharp
> knife.  Winning the turkey shoot at Thanksgiving and having brag'gin rights til the
> next shoot was more important.  Survival was big too.

Thank you for your considerate language and attitude.
My purpose for providing my background as my bonifide's in this debate is not to change
you or your convictions.  It is to demonstrate that there are two truths.  The truths
we believe because we were taught, or through propaganda by the media;  and then the
real world truths.  The truth we live that shapes our character.  The very same that
exist in the polls that Clinton is so fond of quoting.  While the polls say Clinton
hung the moon, I personally can not find any one who believes that.  And by the way, do
you know why Clinton did not inhale?


>

> June
>
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> -- Wm. Cullen Bryant:  The Death of the Flowers
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Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>You are a very imaginitive fellow, it appears.

Not as imaginative as you, if you imagine that I am a 'fellow'...

>so they say There may be another side to that story... I am a mangement consultant
>with over 500 client companies, most of which are in the south, and I specialize in
>employment law... From my experience, capable and qualified black applicants are on
>every manager's "wish list."

Not in the 40s, 50s, and early 60s...


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Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Carlene M. Wojahn wrote:
>> There is no reason for me to suspect she was lying about this, as she
>
>-He said pulling your leg not lying...

It's the same thing -- implying she was telling a falsehood, making a
statement that was not the truth...


>> Her husband, also from the South, related similar experiences...
>
>Have you stopped to look at the north...the KKK demonstrations there...Discrimination
>is also up north...it is a human thing, not regional.

I never said it wasn't.  What I DID say is that blacks came by the
thousands from the south to the north, since they had greater job
opportunities in the north...opportunities that they were precluded from
pursuing in the south...


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[CTRL] Bob: I WAS RAPED ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER

[Edward Britton]

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Bob:

> Why, it was *redheads* who abducted me...beamed me up in my
>pajamas...subjected me to...no, no, I can't go on, it's too painful...
>Non-abductees simply cannot understand the nature of the experience...

CHICKEN! :-) :-) Come on, tell us about "the probe."

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] How Kissinger helped China

[Lloyd Miller]

    Yes, Dr. 
Kissinger helped China, but in line with an official policy of allying with 
China against the Soviets.
 
    This policy, questionable at 
the timeI even protested Nixon's PING PONG diplomacy at the timeis not 
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to helping China at this 
time.
 
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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]

[Mike Moxley]

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At 06:49 AM 1/6/99 EST, you wrote:
> Well, Sir, you sure did identify yourself properly Each of the proposals
>is increased "people control" by a central government.  You'd have loved
>Russia under Stalin. >>
>
>Well, I guess even Joe had a few good ideas.  I think it was his tendency to
>send everybody to Siberia or keep them under constant surveillance that were
>his worst
>sticking points.   Prudy

Actually Stalin's sending people to Siberia and keeping the rest under
constant survelience were his GOOD points.
Sending 20 million people six feet under was his "worst sticking point".

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[CTRL] Bye Bye Jolly!

[Lyn McCloskey]

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Cult Expert Louis Jolyon West Dies
http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpne1a.htm


LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Dr. Louis Jolyon West, a psychiatrist and
cult expert who conducted court-ordered examinations of Jack Ruby
and Patricia Hearst, has died of cancer. He was 74.

West, who died Saturday at his home here, headed the psychiatry
department and the Neuropsychiatric Institute at the University
of California at Los Angeles for 20 years. He retired in 1989,
but remained active in research and mentoring students.

West began studying torture and brainwashing during the Korean
War, and eventually expanded his research to include
post-traumatic stress syndrome, alcohol and drug abuse, pain,
sleep problems, dreams and hypnosis.

West frequently served as a court-appointed expert psychiatrist.
He testified that Ruby, killer of President Kennedy's assassin,
Lee Harvey Oswald, suffered from ``major mental illness
apparently precipitated by the stress of his trial and its
aftermath.'' That opinion forestalled Ruby's death sentence, and
he died of cancer in prison.

West was also one of four psychiatrists who examined Hearst, the
kidnapping victim turned bank robber, before her 1976 trial. The
panel found she was sane and able to stand trial but
``psychologically damaged as a result of torture.'' It
recommended she should be treated before the trial, a
recommendation ignored by the court.

In a speech after Hearst's conviction, West said, ``The
government finished the destruction of her life started by an
anti-government group.'' Her sentence was eventually commuted.

West was sought out by the news media for insight on cults as
recently as 1997, when the group Heaven's Gate staged a mass
suicide in San Diego.

A civil rights activist, West was the first white psychiatrist to
go to South Africa to testify on behalf of black prisoners during
the attempt to end apartheid. He was a member of the White House
Conference on Civil Rights in 1966, and he worked for years to
abolish the death penalty.

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[CTRL] Ecstasy & Prozac (The Economist)

[Lyn McCloskey]

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 The Economist, April 6, 1996 v339 n7960 p87(2)


Better than well: society's moral confusion over drugs is neatly
illustrated by its differing reactions to Prozac and ecstasy.

Abstract: MDMA, known in street parlance as ecstasy, is illegal, and
Prozac, an anti-depressant, is legal. Both have a similar elevating
effect on mood by altering serotonin levels. Societal views of
chemically induced happiness are examined.



Full Text: COPYRIGHT Economist Newspaper Ltd. (UK) 1996


EVERY week, according to the most conservative estimates, half a
million Britons take a pill to make them happy. This pill was
originally developed as an appetite suppressor. Now it is an
adjunct to partying. In America, some 5 million people regularly
take a different sort of pill. This one was developed as an
anti-depressant. Now it is widely used as a chemical accessory by
those who think it is unfair that they should ever feel low.
The British users are breaking their country's law. The Americans
are not.

Which raises an important question. If it is not acceptable to
take a drug with the awkward name of 3,4--methylene-dioxy-
methamphetamine (better known as MDMA, and even better known as
ecstasy) to make you feel happy when you just want to have fun,
why is it acceptable to take the anti-depressant fluoxetine
(better known as Prozac) to make you feel happy if you are not
actually clinically depressed?

When Prozac--made by Eli Lilly, an American pharmaceutical
firm--came on the market in 1987, it was hailed as a "wonder-drug".
Unlike previous anti-depressants, it appears to have no serious
(and few trivial) side effects.

Its sales have soared. They are expected to hit $4 billion a year
by 2000, according to analysts at Lehman Brothers, an American
investment bank.

Ecstasy is older. It was developed in 1914 and became popular in
the 1970s as an adjunct to psychotherapy because of its ability to
reduce anxiety and facilitate communication. German marriage-
guidance counsellors regularly recommended it. It, too, is good
business. A tablet can cost as little as 3.50 ($5) to make and
sells on the streets for around 15. This suggests that the
British market alone is worth well over 300 million a year.

Both drugs affect the level of serotonin, a neurotransmitter in
the brain that is thought to influence sleep, appetite, aggression
and mood.

Neurotransmitters are chemicals that carry messages between nerve
cells. They are secreted by one cell and picked up by receptor
proteins on the surface of a neighbour. Once the message has been
delivered, a neurotransmitter is either destroyed or sucked back
into the cell that made it--a process known as re-uptake.

Both Prozac and ecstasy work by inhibiting the re-uptake of
serotonin. This means that the messenger molecules hang around in
the gap between the cells and the message gets amplified. Ecstasy,
in addition to blocking re-uptake, causes a surge of serotonin to
be released into the gap--so that not only is it not removed, but
there is more of it there in the first place. Since clinical
depression seems to be associated with a lack of serotonin at
certain receptor sites (extremely low levels of serotonin have
been found, for instance, in some suicides), the idea of using
serotonin re-uptake inhibitors as anti-depressants has been
popular for some time.

So there are parallels. But there is also an important difference
between the drugs--one which might be thought to justify banning
one but not the other.

Though it has been accused of causing violence in rare cases (the
"Prozac defence" was once fashionable among lawyers, but 65
consecutive convictions have dampened their enthusiasm) Prozac
does not seem to harm its users. Very occasionally, ecstasy (or,
more particularly, dehydration associated with its use) kills.

This does not, however, seem to have been the reason why MDMA
actually was proscribed. In 1971, when the drug was banned in
Britain, this problem was almost unknown. Things had not changed
much by 1985, when the drug was first scheduled in America. This
is hardly surprising. Death is rare--it occurs in only one per 3
million uses. Fatal dehydration generally happens in a hot
environment. And it is preventable by drinking a judicious,
though not excessive, amount of water (too much can kill you, too).

The formal reason for the drug's proscription was fear of
neurotoxicity--that it might cause a persistent drop in serotonin
levels in the brain. But America's Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA),
instead of placing it in schedule three, which would have allowed
continued medical use, put it in schedule one--denying it even to
doctors.


Better living through chemistry

The neurotoxic effects of MDMA are real. Regular users may suffer
a drop of a third in the level of serotonin-derived chemicals in
the fluid of their spinal cords, according to research by George
Ricaurte, a neurologist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.
But such effects do not appear to be v

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] I WAS RAPED ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER by 3 Venusian]

[Robert Tatman]

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Michael Estes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> As far as being brave, yes, it is quite courageous of myself to drag those
> rattling white, bleached bones out of the deep, dark closet and thrust them
> into the light of the day for the entire planet to see!
>
> Sometimes silently bearing the CROSS of being "violated" by 3 BLONDE
> VENUSIAN FEMALES aboard the Mother Craft, is almost more than I can bear.
>
Blondes? Why, it was *redheads* who abducted me...beamed me up in my
pajamas...subjected me to...no, no, I can't go on, it's too painful...
Non-abductees simply cannot understand the nature of the experience...

;^)

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[CTRL] Why is James Carville in Israel?

[nurev]

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Why is James Carville and the White House spin team interfering in
another sovereign nation's elections???

It's a rhetorical question really. They are there to help Ahud Barak
get elected in place of Netanyahu. Why? Because Benjamin Netanyahu
will
not surrender Israel to the New World Order. They tried and tried but
Netanyahu can't or wont give them the land for peace deal that they
want.

It is Labour which is in the pocket of the failed Neo-Liberal
internation-
alist foreign policy elites. The CFR's court Jews have failed to sell
out their brethren in the Middle East, and are now working to finagle
a
government they can again own when they backed Perez and Rabin.

It looks like Barry Chamish blew it again. His claims that Netanyahu
is
a CFR shill are nil. But, to give him some credit, it was hard to tell
up until the White House sent their serpentine spinner to help dump
Bibi.

Why are Israelis tolerating American interference in the most
important
elections in their history???

America's ruling elites and their Israeli and Palestinian flunkies
won't
be satisfied with their usual screw ups, they will only mind their own
business after a major blood letting forces both sides to kick the
bastards
out of the Middle East.

The Palestinians living in and around Israel could face extinction at
the
hands of Israel, and Israel could face extinction in an all out
regional
war. This is not a farfetched scenario now that the Palestinians are
expecting to have a state with or without the condescension of Israel.

We Americans bear some responsibility for what comes out of Wall
Street
and Foggy Bottom.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Living in corporate America.

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nurev wrote:

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> Subject:
> The Price We Pay: The 10 Worst Corporations of 1998
>Date:
> Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:57:44 -0500
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>
> What did we learn in 1998?
>
> Microsoft Chairman and CEO Bill Gates' net wealth -- $51 billion -- is
> greater than the combined net worth of the poorest 40 percent of Americans
> (106 million people).

Explanation:  The poorest 40 percent of Americans did not contribute as much tp
the lifestyle and productivity of American individuals as did Bill Gates.  Unlike
the poorest 40%, everyone who bought goods from Microsoft did so as a voluntary
decision, whereas many of the poorest 40% were recipients of funds extorted by
threat of violence from the other 60%.

> Hundreds of hospitals are "dumping" patients who can't afford to pay.

Explanation:  There is no such thing as a free lunch... or for that matter, "free
hospital care."  Anytime anyone gets something for nothing, someone got NOTHING
for something.  By the way, where did they "dump" these folks?  Out behind the
hospital in the alley?

> The feds are criminally prosecuting big tobacco companies for smuggling
> cigarettes into Canada. (Never mind addicting young kids to smoke and thus
> condemning them to a certain, albeit, slow, death -- can't criminally
> prosecute them for that.)

Explanation:  A "company" cannot addict anyone to anything.  Addiction is a
voluntary act on the part of the additee.

> There's a bull market in stock fraud.

Explanation:  Stay out of the stock market.

> Prescription drugs may cause 100,000 deaths a year.

Explanation:  Prescription drugs may save 100,000,000 lives this year, probably
more.

> Two Fox-TV reporters in Florida are fired for trying to report on adverse
> health effects associated with genetically engineered foods.

Explanation:  I guess Mark Twain was wrong when he said, "It is amazing how easy
it is to obtain someones cooperation when the receipt of his pay check depends on
it."

> The U.S. Department of Agriculture proposes that genetically engineered
> foods be labelled "organic."

Explanation:  Don't believe anything ANY department of the U.S. govm't says.

> Coal companies continue to cheat on air quality tests as hundreds of coal
> miners continue to die each year from black lung disease.

Explanation:  When one places himself in harm's way, one is subject to being
harmed.  There should be some responsibility for the choices we make.  Black lung
disease has been around long enough for (even) coal miners to realize that they
are accepting personal risk in taking the job.

> The North American Securities Administrators Association estimates that
> Americans lose about $1 million a hour to securities fraud.

Explanation:  Don't invest in "securities."  Manage your own money, then if you
lose it, blame no one but yourself.

> Robert Reich says that megamergers threaten democracy. Corporate crime
> explodes, but the academic study of corporate crime vanishes.

Explanation:  Don't believe ANYTHING Robert Rice says.. He works for the
government.  The greatest "threat to democracy" is not corporate growth but
government growth.

> Three hundred trade unionists around the world were killed in 1997 for
> defending their rights.

Explanation:  "Defending their rights" might also be interpreted as, "trying to
keep other people from working who really want to work but don't want to belong to
a union."

> Corporate firms lobbying to cripple the Superfund law outnumber
> environmental groups seeking to defend it by 30 to one.

Explanation:  That's really good news.  For example:

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) claims that in 1990 clean air and clean
water regulations reduced the American gross national product by almost 6%.  Six
percent of the 1990 U.S. GNP is enough money to provide jobs with salaries of
$50,000 to 6,651,480 unemployed people.  In American in 1990 there were, by the
way, 6,874,000 people unemployed.

The EPA and the Office of Management and Budget calculate that $20 billion will be
spent for each case of cancer averted.  Of course you, personally might be willing
to spend $20 billion not to get cancer.  But, assuming you had $20 billion, how
would your wife and kids feel about you spending this way?  You can hear them
saying, "Dad, its just a lump," or "who cares about a sudden change in a wart or
mole?"

The Council of Economic Advisors has pointed out one EPA rule, concerning wood
preservatives, that is estimated to prevent a single occurrence of cancer every
2.9 million years at a cost of $5 trillion per life saved.


> Down on Nike? Chinese political prisoners allegedly make Adidas products.

Explanation:  Going barefoot will result in the release of a Chinese prisoner?

> Blue Cross Blue Shield Illinois is a corporate criminal. Chemical
> companies are testing pestici

[CTRL] Fwd: LP Press Release: anti-drug killer fungus

[L. Shipton]

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Check out Monsanto's herbicides and terminator seed technology.  It has been
speculated that what they are doing will cross to other plants and make them
where they are herbicide resistant.  Could this be a way that they
(Monsanto) will be able to blame it on a Fungus?
Laura
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[CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.

[Edward Britton]

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All:

According to WCNN, Atlanta, Whitehouse lap dog, Larry Flynt, will be giving
an exclusive press conference on C-SPAN tonight at 8:00 PM Pacific Time.
Check your local guides to be sure of the times.

According to the report, Flynt will be dropping several bombshells
concerning the sexual habits of multiple members of the Republican leadership.

Should be interesting :-)

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[CTRL] EUROPE MAY REGRET THE EURO

[Carl Amedio]

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EUROPE MAY REGRET THE EURO

Starting on January 1, 11 European nations began the first step
toward abolishing their monetary sovereignty.  It is likely that
once the euphoria wears off many Europeans will regret the
change, and those nations like Britain that have remained outside
the euro area will be thankful that they did so.

The main difficulty that the Europeans face is coordination of
economic policies.  Although trade barriers have been greatly
reduced, individual nations retain much control over such
important areas as taxation, labor policy and business
regulation.  As a consequence, the euro area is not nearly as
economically integrated as the 50 American states.  Nor does any
body exist that can effectively eliminate remaining barriers to
integration the way that the U.S. Supreme Court is empowered to
strike down laws hampering interstate commerce.

Perhaps the biggest problem facing the Europeans is in the area
of taxation.

   o   Tax rates and tax burdens vary much more among the euro
   nations than among the American states, which means full
   mobility of labor and capital, goods and services cannot
   occur.

   o   Also, the euro nations have very high tax burdens in
   comparison to their major competitors -- total taxes as a
   share of the gross domestic product averaged 45.4 percent
   last year in the euro area, but they came to just 32.4
   percent in the U.S. and 31.1 percent in Japan (see
   figure http://www.ncpa.org/pd/gif/euro_area-gdp.gif ).

   o   This fact alone will prevent any major shift toward the
   euro from U.S. dollars by the world's investors.

Finally, many of the leading euro nations are now governed by
left-wing parties that are pushing hard for lower interest rates
and an easy money policy.  This suggests higher inflation and
interest rates will result.

Source: Bruce Bartlett, senior fellow, National Center for Policy
Analysis, January 11, 1999.

For text http://www.ncpa.org/oped/bartlett.html

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[CTRL] Danny Williams Not Clinton's Son?!

[Lloyd Miller]

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DNA TEST SAYS IT ISN'T CLINTON

According to Time, the Drudge Report and the New York Post, the DNA test on
Danny Williams came back negative. While this may well end the matter, don't
count on it. Here's why:

* The story was never only about whether Clinton was the father of
prostitute Bobbie Ann Williams' child. It was also a tale of the 1980s
Little Rock culture of drugs and sex of which Clinton was a part. In some
ways, Clinton's behavior seems to have paralleled that of Marion Barry
during the same period, albeit with decidedly different results. This larger
story has not been seriously challenged

* One British paper, the Daily Mail, claims that Clinton's involvement with
prostitutes laid him open to political pressure from a least one high-power
Arkansas figure.

* Steve Denari -- a Democrat who led the 1992 Perot campaign in Illinois --
came into possession of documents relating to Bobbie Ann Wiliams at the end
of the campaign, which he did not release. Denari told the Mail that there
were "canceled cheques that showed Bobbie Ann had been given money by
Clinton for Danny's education and to keep her quiet. There was a statement
in her hand confessing she had supplied Clinton with cocaine. ~ I  don't see
how Clinton can deny the drug use. He may not have inhaled marijuana, but he
will not be able to deny snorting cocaine.' Denari is writing a book that is
due out in April.

WHY WE TOLD YOU
ABOUT DANNY WILLIAMS

Howard Kurtz's high-minded journalistic distaste for those (e.g. the
Washington Times, London Times, BBC, and TPR) who told their readers about
developments in the Danny Williams DNA case would have been a bit more
convincing if it weren't for the company he keeps. His paper, which is
spinning the Clinton story fast enough to form its own dervish sect, managed
in one day to imply on its front page that if  Clinton were acquitted,
history might regard him as the victim of a puritanical witch hunt, to
attack on its editorial page Kenneth Starr for his indictment of Ms. Steele,
and to run the Kurtz story right under a long piece on one of the Clinton
sources the paper apparently prefers: Larry Flynt.

In fact, whatever the results, the Danny Williams DNA story was fair
journalism because almost everyone making a key decision in Washington over
the past few days knew about it. The Post, if nothing else, proved how
impossible it is to write an accurate story about what is going on while
denying the existence of a major factor. It's like trying  to explain why
the street it wet  without noting the rain. The result, in this case, was to
create the impression, variously, of petty politics, high-minded
statesmanship or deep conflict over grave constitutional matters when, in
fact, what everyone was really wondering about was how much more shit was
going to hit the fan.

The Post similarly misled its readers on the impeachment vote by not
reporting what was going on amongst some of the crucial moderate
Republicans. In fact, they had read some of the censored material offered by
Kenneth Starr and some, at least, were shocked enough to vote against the
President.

THE POST VS. LINDA TRIPP

One of the secrets of Clinton's success has been the willingness of the
media to trash his antagonists such as Kenneth Starr and Linda Tripp. A
recent media study found that television coverage of Starr was heavily
negative. No such study was, of course, necessary in the case of Ms. Tripp,
who has been thoroughly discredited by the press for having refused to put
herself in considerable legal jeopardy in aid of her friend, Monica
Lewinsky.

As part of the media's scorched earth coverage of Tripp, the Washington Post
even sent a reporter out to 

[CTRL] Living in corporate America.

[nurev]

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Subject:
The Price We Pay: The 10 Worst Corporations of 1998
   Date:
Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:57:44 -0500
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 To:
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What did we learn in 1998?

Microsoft Chairman and CEO Bill Gates' net wealth -- $51 billion -- is
greater than the combined net worth of the poorest 40 percent of Americans
(106 million people).

Hundreds of hospitals are "dumping" patients who can't afford to pay.

The feds are criminally prosecuting big tobacco companies for smuggling
cigarettes into Canada. (Never mind addicting young kids to smoke and thus
condemning them to a certain, albeit, slow, death -- can't criminally
prosecute them for that.)

There's a bull market in stock fraud.

Prescription drugs may cause 100,000 deaths a year.

Two Fox-TV reporters in Florida are fired for trying to report on adverse
health effects associated with genetically engineered foods.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture proposes that genetically engineered
foods be labelled "organic."

Coal companies continue to cheat on air quality tests as hundreds of coal
miners continue to die each year from black lung disease.

The North American Securities Administrators Association estimates that
Americans lose about $1 million a hour to securities fraud.

Robert Reich says that megamergers threaten democracy. Corporate crime
explodes, but the academic study of corporate crime vanishes.

Three hundred trade unionists around the world were killed in 1997 for
defending their rights.

Corporate firms lobbying to cripple the Superfund law outnumber
environmental groups seeking to defend it by 30 to one.

Down on Nike? Chinese political prisoners allegedly make Adidas products.

Blue Cross Blue Shield Illinois is a corporate criminal. Chemical
companies are testing pesticides on human beings.

Senator Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, questions whether the Pentagon's
financial controls have suffered a "complete and utter breakdown."

Environmental crimes prosecution are down sharply under Clinton/Gore.
Bush/Quayle had a better record.

Bell Atlantic buys Maurice Sendak's Where the Wild Things Are
illustrations to sell telephone products.

Companies that have workers die on the job continue to be met with fines.
Criminal prosecutions still rare.

This is the price we pay for living in Corporate America. Wealth
disparity, megamergers and the resulting consolidation of corporate power,
commercialism run amok, rampant corporate crime, death without justice,
pollution, cancer and an unrelenting attack on democracy.

The 1998 market run-up might make plugged-in America feel good about
itself, but big business is eating out the democratic foundation of the
country, and when the empty shell crumbles, what kind of chaos might we
anticipate?

If you have justice on your mind, herewith for the tenth consecutive year
is Multinational Monitor's effort to pinpoint those responsible. It is,
admittedly, a short list -- the Ten Worst Corporations of 1998. But it is
a representative list, and as the damage becomes more apparent, as the
outrage at, and contempt for, our fearless leaders grows, surely the list,
too, will grow.

The Ten Worst Corporations of 1998 are:

* Chevron, for continuing to do business with a brutal dictatorship in
Nigeria and for alleged complicity in the killing of civilian protesters.

* Coca-Cola, for hooking America's kids on sugar and soda water. Today,
teenage boys and girls drink twice as much soda pop as milk, whereas 20
years ago they drank nearly twice as much milk as soda.

* General Motors, for becoming an integral part of the Nazi war machine,
and then years later, when documented proof emerges, denying it.

* Loral and its chief executive Bernard Schwartz, for dumping $2.2 million
into Clinton/Gore and Democratic Party coffers. The Clinton administration
responded by approving a human rights waiver to clear the way for
technology transfers to China.

* Mobil, for supporting the Indonesian military in crushing an indigenous
uprising in Aceh province and allegedly allowing the military to use
company machinery to dig mass graves.

* Monsanto, for introducing genetically engineered foods into the
foodstream without adequate safety testing and without labeling, thus
exposing consumers to unknown risks.

* Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, for pleading guilty to felony crimes for
dumping oil in the Atlantic Ocean and then lying to the Coast Guard about
it.

* Unocal, for engaging in numerous acts of pollution and law violations,
to such a degree that citizens in California petitioned the state's
attorney general to revoke the company's charter.

* Wal-Mart, for crushing small town America, for paying low, low wages (a
huge percentage of Wal-Mart workers are eligible for food stamps), for
using Asian child labor and for homogenizing the population; and last, but
not least,

* Warner-Lambert, for marketing a hazard

[CTRL] Bar-coded IDs for students, teachers

[Lyn McCloskey]

 -Caveat Lector-

-- Forwarded by Lyn McCloskey/Towers Perrin on 01/11/99
04:41 PM ---

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WorldNetDaily
FRIDAY JANUARY 08 1999

YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE

Bar-coded IDs for students, teachers
Controversy erupts in rural West Virginia

By David M. Bresnahan

¦ 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990108_xex_barcoded_ids.sh
tml

A stubborn teacher and a small group of students and parents in a rural
high school are saying no to a policy in which every faculty member and
pupil are required to wear a visible ID tag, complete with picture and
bar code.

They are standing in the community of Elkins, West Virginia, on
religious grounds and are being treated with scoffs and ridicule by some
school officials. One school board member has even left threats on his
answering machine to use "satanic power" on his critics.

Randolph County School District has implemented the use of ID tags that
incorporate a photo and bar code at Elkins High School. Students,
faculty, and employees must wear the tags on a cord around their necks
in plain view at all times.

Philip Hudok, a physics and chemistry teacher with 22 years of service
has taken a firm stand that he will not wear the tags. He says the ID
tags wrongfully assign numbers to people, which, he says, the Bible
warns against.

"I sent letters to the administration prior to the first day of
implementation that I could not and would not be able to participate in
the ID badge program. I refused on religious grounds and a Nazi-like,
'papers please' mindset," explained Hudok.

In addition to pointing out references to the "Mark of the Beast" in the
Book of Revelation, Hudok also cites Chronicles Chapter 21. A portion of
it reads, "1: And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to
number Israel. 7: And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he
smote Israel." Article 3, section 15 of the West Virginia Constitution
states: "... nor shall any man be enforced, restrained, molested or
burdened, in his body or goods, or otherwise suffer, on account of his
religious belief ... " Apparently the Randolph County School District
officials haven't read that provision.

Initially the principal, Tom Pritt, agreed to permit Hudok to wear a
badge of his own making. The handmade badge said simply, "EHS Physics
Teacher." Superintendent of Schools Glen Karlen has stated that the ID
tags are to provide for a safer school environment. He says they will
prevent violence in the school.

"The primary purpose of the ID system is to protect the students and the
staff. There is no intention to infringe on anybody's rights," Karlen
explained to the school board.

The tags give a visual means to determine if there is someone in the
school who should not be there. They are also used as admission to
school events and activities, and the bar code provides a cashless
payment system for school meals.

Police and drug-sniffing dogs were not wearing the authorized visitor's
passes of the school when they conducted a failed drug raid on Nov. 19.
Hudok complained to the school board about the event.

Students were selected at random and lined up against walls while dogs
sniffed them for drugs. Hudok and students claim the dogs urinated on
students' personal belongings and in the halls. No drugs were found.

"Not so much as an apology has ever been issued," remarked Hudok.

[snip]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990108_xex_barcoded_ids.sh
tml

[snip]

After an appearance on a talk radio show by Hudok, the school board and
administration has been flooded by calls. One school board member, Mark
Rizzio, was getting so many calls he left this message on his answering
machine:

"You have reached 666. If you would like to leave a message we will get
back to you as soon as possible. If that isn't quick enough we will use
our satanic powers to get back to you even sooner." "The school board
members' phone numbers are in the phone book, so I gave them out on the
air," said Hudok.

He believes the school board is trying to get the controversy to go
away. Not only did Karlen tell the press that the issue was settled when
it wasn't, on Thursday he canceled school after a small storm.

"Today was a snow day, but actually there wasn't that much snow," said
Hudok in a phone interview Thursday.

"I think they're trying to regroup and decide what they're going to do,"
he said.

Hudok now has some help on the way. The Rutherford Institute has agreed
to take on his case, and is planning a nationwide fund-raising campaign
to provide a legal defense fund.

What does the school administration think of Hudok's plans for national
attention to his cause?

"I think they're in a real frenzy down there," said Hudok.



David M. Bresnahan - Investigative Journalist
P.O. Box 1168, West Jordan, UT 84084-7168
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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation

[Hawk]

 -Caveat Lector-

Gerald Harp wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/11/99 2:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Potemkin Village was a bogus stage prop erected by the Czar to show visiting
> bleeding heart liberal West Europeans that the local peasants had it made.

Well, one or the other of those photos appears to have had that objective.  As for
the other evidence, Camp Ford's prisoners had about the same "death rate" as its
guards.  Although prison life is no fun, it appears from evidence of the prisoners
that they were better off there than in combat.  It is well documented that the
prisoners were allowed to manufacture what we might call "handi-crafts" for sale
in the community, and that food vendors frequently visited the camp allowing
prisoners to purchase additional rations.  It is also well documented that the
commander, Col RTP Allen purchased additional food for the prisoners, paying for
it from his own salary.  Allen's wife as known as "Ma Allen" because of her
personal interest in the emotional and physical health of the prisoners (as shown
my letters from the men).  Finally, while Allen was a stern disciplinarian with
regard to his own troops, they complained bitterly that he treated the prisoners
better than he treated them, finally resulting in a politically-inspired transfer.

> > We'd have to consider A LOT of other evidence along with
> >  their personal feelings
>
> The slave narratives are not about feelings.  They are matter of fact in tone
> and the descriptions of conditions are well buttressed by related events.

But, they were non-the-less children at the time.

> It is all but mind numbingly horrific to realize how these folks lived.

I think you are exaggerating... European visitors to the south generally commented
that the slaves were better off than other working class peasants in most
countries, and while plantation life certainly was difficult, it was so for most
of the slave owners, too, especially those who had three or four slaves, and who
worked side by side with the slaves. I have two documents from a widely-read and
respected magazine printed for plantation/farm managers which describe in details
how to best run an operation where the laborers were slaves.  Unless this was a
gigantic conspiracy (notice the neat tie-in?) these were well-meant advice offered
to enhance efficiency and productivity.  I would be glad to email these articles
to you.  These were both printed in 1851, in June and October issues of "DeBow's
Review."

> It's true that they were in their teens but in those conditions, work began in
> earnest at age 7 or 8.

Not according to my research... Puberty was about the time of starting to ork in
earnest.

> The slaves were adults in their teen years.  Actually, even when i lived through
> the adolescent years during the 1940s, there were no teen-agers.  In white
> America, you were simply not a child and not yet an adult, ambiguous to say the
> least.

I think I was alive, and residing in "white America" during the 1940's.  As I
recall, there were teen-agers all over the place, and there was no ambiguity.  The
boys were expected to get summer jobs after turning twelve, but they were rarely
ever "real full-time jobs," and were more along the lines of mowing lawns
(although my jobs were more in harvesting hay, etc).  There wasn't any threat
regarding going to work then, but parents more or less just stopped providing
"spending money," so if a teenager wanted some pocket cash, he had to work for it
some kind of way.

> The term and concept of teen-ager didn't come along until the late 1950s.

What country was this in?  I remember WWII, and my oder cousins were teenagers at
that time, Frank Sinatra fans, etc...

> You were expected to be a fully functioning and responsible adult by age 18
> during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.

That is true, but 18 is a far cry from eight.  I suggest that anyone who doesn't
make  a distinction between and 8 year old and an 18 year old is foolish in all
cases, and incarcerated in some.

> The narratives i have read were lengthy excerpts in the book Bull Whip Days, a
> work that should be in every American's library.

And I suppose, from the title of the book, you presume that the author is
presenting a well-balanced view of the Narratives?  What does "Bull Whip Days"
refer to?  I have read lengthy exerpts from the Narratives which I wager were NOT
included in the book you read.

> The Civil War called us out from the grave and the Civil Rights movement removed
> the wrap but we still need to hose ourselves down with the cleansing truth.

I suggest that you don't overlook portions of the truth because they tend to
conflict with what you already believe.

> > Racism has not decreased as a result of "civil rights" laws.
>
> Well, things are a bit more complicated than that.  What you say has a morsel
> of truth.

Its more than a morsel... It is 100% true.  There has been no decline in "ra

[CTRL] Ft. Worth Star-Telegram: A jury's duty

[Lyn McCloskey]

 -Caveat Lector-

Ft. Worth Star-Telegram
January 8, 1999
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A jury's duty
By Susan Gill Vardon
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

When Denton attorney Rick Hagen took the case of a woman who faced jail
because she declined to answer questions on a jury questionnaire, he
never expected it would become a rallying cry for juror rights
proponents.

In March 1994, a Denton County district judge sentenced Dianna Brandborg
 to three days in jail for her refusal to answer questions that she
said were personal and violated her constitutional right to privacy.
Brandborg appealed, and in June 1995, a U.S. magistrate set aside the
contempt order.

"In that case, I don't think a lot of lawyers understood what we were
trying to do," Hagen said. "They thought we were doing away with their
ability to ask questions. All we were advocating was respecting a
person's right to privacy and if the question is not relevant, the juror
 should not have to answer that question."

Brandborg's battle for privacy sparked one of four proposals that the
Lone Star Fully Informed Jury Association, a Texas juror rights group,
plans to take to the Legislature this year. Group members espouse jury
nullification, the belief that jurors should decide cases based on their
 moral convictions instead of the law.

The group's proposals include a ban on asking potential jurors their
views on religion, politics or the law being prosecuted, said Tom Glass,
 president of the Texas association, which is part of a national group
based in Montana.

Another proposal would prevent prosecutors from excusing potential
jurors because they disagree with a law relevant to a case, Glass said.

The group's agenda -- legislative and otherwise -- has come under
widespread criticism, particularly from prosecutors and judges.

The idea of forbidding prosecutors from questioning jurors on certain
issues would be "disastrous," said Roger Jones, chief of the felony
trial division in the Denton County district attorney's office.

"You have to have people on a jury that support the law that is in
question in that trial. Otherwise, you are saying a jury is legislating
instead of applying the law," Jones said.

But what has sparked the most dissent is the group's assertion that
jurors should vote with their conscience instead of the law and the
evidence. For example, group members argue that a juror who believes
that assisted suicide is morally correct should feel free to acquit Dr.
Jack Kevorkian.

"Americans at the end of World War II told German citizens that they
should have followed their conscience instead of their government," said
 Glass, a Houston systems analyst. "Today's courtroom system tells
jurors the exact opposite. You have to do whatever the law tells you to
do."

Critics argue that, taken to its extreme, jury nullification would
render the law meaningless.

The way to change unpopular laws is the ballot box, not the jury box,
said Fort Worth state District Judge Bob McGrath.

"The concept of giving the public more input into the laws is not a bad
thing," McGrath said. "However, the way to accomplish that would be
through initiative and referendum where the voters would have the right
to make laws or nullify laws."

It would be unfair, he said, for one person on a jury to use his or her
beliefs to prevent a conviction.

"Take drug possession as an example," McGrath said. "If you had one
person on the jury who felt marijuana should be legal, they could
prevent a conviction on something that society has determined by
majority vote should be regulated."

Juries already have the power to make a statement, he said. A jury might
 rule that a defendant broke the law but give him or her probation
instead of jail time, McGrath said. Or a jury might decide that a party
in a civil case was liable for another's injury but levy only a small
fine.

Hagen, who has lectured to group members on how to use "creative" legal
strategies to defend clients, said he also has problems with jury
nullification.

"Right now, I'm not an advocate for pure nullification," Hagen said. "My
 concern is that nullification could be a two-way street. I'm more
concerned about a jury finding someone guilty on proof less than a
reasonable doubt. I think that happens with a great deal of frequency."

Glass acknowledged that jury nullification could work in more than one
way, but he said it is still worthwhile.

"All institutions of freedom can be misused," he said. "That doesn't
mean you get rid of them."

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison]

[Robert Tatman]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Now, I been a-thinkin', Lord have mercy, I can create a list that will
recieve
> all posts from CTRL and will be open for more discussion and chat.


Kris, the problem here is that CTRL *is* an open list. People come with
different expectations and understandings, and it shows. We've seen what can
happen when you operate with few controls--a kind of Gresham's Law kicks in,
and the noise overwhelms the signal. Let me suggest two things: first, every
seven to ten days, post a reminder about CTRL's raison d'etre, along with some
guidelines for posting, and ask all listmembers to stick to those lines.
Second, when a flame thread flares up (sorry, couldn't resist the temptation),
give the posters one warning: "This is the only warning you will get. Take
this off the list NOW, or be no-posted." Non-compliance would mean they can
look but not post. After two or three weeks you can lift the restrictions and
see if they're ready to behave. I don't like having to do this--we are after
all adults, or so I assume--but if listmembers won't discipline themselves,
somebody else has to do it for them.

BTW, I agree one hundred percent with your observation about the media and the
cryptocracy. That as much as anything is why I'm here--because this is one of
the very few places where you can get some sense of what's really going on
behind the facades.

Bob


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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation

[Gerald Harp]

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In a message dated 1/11/99 2:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Potemkin Village was a bogus stage prop erected by the Czar to show visiting
bleeding heart liberal West Europeans that the local peasants had it made.

> We'd have to consider A LOT of other evidence along with
>  their personal feelings

The slave narratives are not about feelings.  They are matter of fact in tone
and the descriptions of conditions are well buttressed by related events.  It
is all but mind numbingly horrific to realize how these folks lived.  It's
true that they were in their teens but in those conditions, work began in
earnest at age 7 or 8.  The slaves were adults in their teen years.  Actually,
even when i lived through the adolescent years during the 1940s, there were no
teen-agers.  In white America, you were simply not a child and not yet an
adult, ambiguous to say the least.  The term and concept of teen-ager didn't
come along until the late 1950s.  You were expected to be a fully functioning
and responsible adult by age 18 during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.  Perhaps
some other old codgers can comment on this transition.

The narratives i have read were lengthy excerpts in the book Bull Whip Days, a
work that should be in every American's library.  I appreciate our discussion
because the institution of slavery in the US is the most proscribed subject in
America.  It is the crazy aunt in the attic.  Uncle Sam is sort of like
Lazrus.  The Civil War called us out from the grave and the Civil Rights
movement removed the wrap but we still need to hose ourselves down with the
cleansing truth.

> Racism has not decreased as a result of "civil rights" laws.

Well, things are a bit more complicated than that.  What you say has a morsel
of truth.  However, the CR laws were necessary to firmly establish the rights,
whether of voting, attending public schools or whatever.  It is necessary to
see the entire flow of the civil rights movement, seemingly ending when LBJ
signed the CR Bill of 1964.  Of course the CR movement was a sort of add-on to
the Civil War.  The initial shot of phase 2 being the Rosa Parks thing.  It
included Medgar Evers at the University of Alabama (There was another fellow
who preceded Evers except he was at Ole Miss.  The kindly white students beat
him so bad, he was permanently injured and died prematurely with complication
stemming from that time.) , and other practicing integrationist such as the
Little Rock school children and the freedom bus riders who registered people
and crossed into white areas of bus stations and sat in at cafes and lunch
counters and so on.

Blood was necessary, it was shed and people went to jail.  The Southern blacks
simply essentially said, "We're not taking this any longer.  From now on we
will verbally correct you at the time of the infraction and by our presence
and boycotts and demonstrations and by law suit until you treat us with
dignity just as you do others."  Truly a great day in America!  In other
words, the signing of the civil rights bill was like the formal signing of a
peace treaty.  The Southerners did not have to like blacks but they had to
obey the law or from then on it would be the white overseers who had to
explain and possibly go to jail when blacks were denied voting rights or the
use of public rest rooms.

Incidentally, if you wish to get an earful of how it was like for a Negro to
travel through the South during the 1950s, read Black Like Me.  I certainly
was not surprised by the discourtesy of the bus drivers and offensive
treatment at various business establishments.  What took me back was how
difficult it was for a black person to simply find a john they were allowed to
use and the resultant necessary stratagems.

Jerry

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Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Hawk]

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"L. Shipton" wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Now as far as Slaves and Blacks we have had this here before too.  Look up
> the history of the KKK.  Started at a University and  continued as a way to
> keep businesses from bringing in Blacks as strike breakers.  If you find
> more please list the book or URL.

Are you saying that the KKK "started at a university?"  You have blasted me for
failure to document statements... I'd really like to see your documentation that
the KKK started at a university.  Same for your contention that it "continued as a
way to keep businesses from bringing in blacks as strike breakers."

Here, for you enlightenment and entertainment, is where and when the KKK was
organized:

On December 24, 1865, at Pulaski, Tennessee, in a small brick building housing the
law offices of Judge Thomas Jones, six young veterans of the Confederate Army
met.  The last I heard, the office is still there, and marked with a plaque.
While discussing "old army times," one of them said, "Lets start a club of some
kind," and they talked about what it would be called, what activities they would
do, and so forth. They didn't conclude anything that night, but had an
organizational meeting a few days later.. Attending were Capt. John Kennedy ("B"
not "F"), Frank McCord, Calvin Jones, John Lester, Richard Reed, and James Crow.
This information has been available for many years, and I've seen it in several
books, including the biography, "Nathan Bedford Forrest" by Jack Hurst.

Now, I am becoming a bit short of tolerance for people who accuse me of things
which are not true, while their condemnation should rightfully fall upon their own
shoulders... In the future, either document what you say, or stop insisting that
others do what you fail to do yourself.

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]

[Brown, Jeremy]

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The French are all vulgar troglodytes who rarely bathe and stink of rancid
coffee and fetid wine. Those stupid berets look like deflated chef's hats.
And that freakin' Eiffel tower looks like an Erector set that was never
finished. It probably isn't finished. They were too busy laying down in the
gutters like DOGS as the Panzer tanks rolled over their stupid
accordion-playing asses.

"Oh-ho-ho, Messeiur Heetler, ze citee of Paris is yours for ze taking!"

Mime sucks ass.

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> From: Robert Tatman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]
>
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>
> Alamaine Ratliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Now I understand *why* I'm not really upset at Billio, rather
> disappointed
> > in his inability be good at avoiding perils:  too many years as a
> > Francophile.  Again, as G Ferraro put it, if stupidity were grounds for
> > impeachment ...
> >
> > From Int'l Herald Tribune
> >
> > Paris, Saturday, January 9, 1999
> >
> >
> > Behind the Ridicule, the French May See Peril in Too Much Truth
> >
> 
> LOL...when my father was attached to G-2, Allied HQ, Algiers during 1942
> and
> 1943, one of his chief tasks was to ride herd on the Free French,
> including
> making sure that no one told them too much. Anything said within the
> hearing
> of French officers was certain to be public knowledge within two or three
> hours... The problem with the French, IMHO, is that they always proceed on
> the
> assumption that their way of doing things is not simply the *right* way,
> it is
> the *only* way. They suffer, not from a lack of national self-esteem, but
> from
> too much self-esteem. "Chauvinism," after all, took its name from an
> officer
> in Napoleon's army.
>
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[CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans

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Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans

By William Thomas

SEATTLE, Washington, January 8, 1999 (ENS) - Contrails spread by fleets of jet
aircraft in elaborate cross-hatched patterns are sparking speculation and
making people sick across the United States.

Washington state resident William Wallace became ill with severe diarrhea and
fatigue after watching several multi-engine jets spend New Year's day laying
cloud lines in an east to west grid pattern. A neighbor working outside came
down with similar symptoms. But their wives, who remained indoors, suffered no
ill effects from the inexplicable maneuvers which observers liken to high-
altitude "crop-dusting" by unidentifed multi-engine aircraft.

Series of aircraft contrails in a high traffic region over the northern Gulf
of Mexico 1992 (Images courtesy NASA)

Condensation trails, called contrails, are generated at altitudes high enough
for water droplets to freeze in a matter of seconds and not quickly evaporate
-typically where the temperatures are below -38 degrees Celcius.

Contrails can form through the addition of water vapor to the air from the jet
engine exhaust. Even tiny nuclei released in the exhaust fumes may be
sufficient to generate ice crystals, and hence, condensation trails.

Wallace wonders if ethylene dibromide, a highly toxic component of JP-8 jet
fuel, is making people sick. Similar incidents over Las Vegas last year
prompted a US Air Force spokesman to explain that the military aircraft were
"dumping fuel" before landing.

But the strange spray patterns are being reported repeatedly over towns in
Tennessee, Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, Nevada, Idaho, Mississippi,
Montana, Oklahoma, Washington state and California.

Wallace has been watching formations of high-flying jets weave grid-like
contrails above his home since last summer. Each time, "We get a taste in our
mouth," he reports. He and his wife Ann get "kind of tired and sick," having
"no energy to do anything."

After plants began dying around his mountain cabin, "I got real sick for about
three weeks," Wallace relates. "My eyes watered. Fluid came out of my nose. I
could hardly move my arm up above my head to comb my hair for about a week."

Wallace and his wife are not alone in their plight. In March, 1996, Dr. Greg
Hanford bought an expensive camera and binoculars to keep an eye on jets
spraying white bands above his Bakersfield, California home. Hanford has
counted 40 or 60 jets on some "spray days."

"Everybody seems to be getting sick from it," Hanford told ENS. "Hackin' and
coughin' when you really get nailed with this stuff." The dentist, many of his
patients and two receptionists have repeatedly contracted severe respiratory
infections. Hanford's illness lingered for five months despite courses of four
different antibiotics.

"It's really weird," Hanford says. "You think two jets are going to hit each
other - and then they make an X." The dentist says he has sometimes seen
"furry globular balls" spread downwind in a long feather from the high-flying
aircraft.

Unlike normal contrails, which dissipate soon after a lone jet's passage,
video taken by Wallace and Hanford show eerily silent silver jets streaming
fat contrails from their wingtips in multiple, criss-cross patterns. But
instead of dissipating like normal contrails, these white jet-trails coalesce
into broad cloud-bands that gradually occlude crystal clear skies.

"Passenger jets don't make contrails that stay and become clouds," Wallace
observes.

Government officials deny that anything unusual is taking place. When Hanford
called the local airport, tower personnel told him there was nothing going
on." The jets were "just commercial" undergoing "international flight
training."

But a skeptical Hanford responded, "Is the FAA going to allow two jets to come
at each other?"

Pseudo-color, multispectral images taken April 20, 1994 by a NOAA satellite,
reveal a number of contrails over Oklahoma and Kansas.

X'es, overlapping W's and the Roman numeral XII are among the patterns flown
by the mystery aircraft. Last June, Hanford watched four aircraft spraying in
circles to form a perfect bulls-eye. Through his Swaroski binoculars, Hanford
could see what "looked like a 737" painted all-white on top with an "orangish-
red" 

Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Carlene M. Wojahn]

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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > writes:
> >
> > > My  understanding of law has lead me to believe that the
southern states had > the legal right to leave the union and that they did
solawfully. As I stated, the > Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement
with this position. It was
> Lincoln and others in the northern states who  ignored their
oathes to the> Constitution.

Again these are facts/questions,  not opinions.

That is my understanding as well, I have been doing a lot
of research concerning this and I have some questions

Why did states like Maine, New York, even Wisconsin, think
they had the right to
secede ?

Virginia was one state ..yet part of that state broke away and
became another, how can
this happen if secession is not constitutional ?

Why did the Southron states have to reapply for admission into
statehood ?

When the 14th amendment was being voted on ...how come they
found out for a brief
period they were non-states and could not vote on it ?

Just a few questions


>  What motivated  them.  They did not perform an act merely
because it was legal,
> i.e. they did  not act arbitrarily.

--No it wasn't illegal, there was talk about the northern
states doing..seceding
as well.

>  They joined in the Confederacy because it stood for their
way of seeing, their way
> of living.  That way was based upon slavery.  The Southern
leadership could not stay
> in the Union without accepting a gradual change over in the
dirty little condition
> that made their way possible.

No it was more based on states rights, slavery would of
disappeared on its on with
the westward movement..so the last sentence above is
incorrect.

> The North was not going to accept additional slave states
and the opposition to
> slavery was growing.

-But who had sold the slaves to the South ?

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]

[Robert Tatman]

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Alamaine Ratliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Now I understand *why* I'm not really upset at Billio, rather disappointed
> in his inability be good at avoiding perils:  too many years as a
> Francophile.  Again, as G Ferraro put it, if stupidity were grounds for
> impeachment ...
>
> From Int'l Herald Tribune
>
> Paris, Saturday, January 9, 1999
>
>
> Behind the Ridicule, the French May See Peril in Too Much Truth
>

LOL...when my father was attached to G-2, Allied HQ, Algiers during 1942 and
1943, one of his chief tasks was to ride herd on the Free French, including
making sure that no one told them too much. Anything said within the hearing
of French officers was certain to be public knowledge within two or three
hours... The problem with the French, IMHO, is that they always proceed on the
assumption that their way of doing things is not simply the *right* way, it is
the *only* way. They suffer, not from a lack of national self-esteem, but from
too much self-esteem. "Chauvinism," after all, took its name from an officer
in Napoleon's army.

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Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

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> For Carlene
> Up till now you have contributed nothing to this list besides "Personal
> Opinion".

Excuse me !!! Personal opinion...is it personal opinion that there have been KKK
activities up north

Okayhere is some documentation

Chicago Historical Information



1919: Race Riots

On the afternoon of July 27, 1919, Eugene Williams, a black youth, drowned
of exhaustion off the 29th Street beach. A stone throwing melee between
blacks and whites on the beach prevented the boy from coming ashore
safely. After clinging to a railroad tie for a lengthy period, he drowned when he
no longer had the strength to hold on. This was the finding of the Cook County
Coroner's Office after an inquest was held into the cause of death. But false
reports that he had been stoned to death led to five days of rioting in Chicago
that claimed the lives of a total of 23 blacks and 15 whites, with 291 wounded
and maimed.

The Coroner's Office spent 70 day sessions and 20 night sessions on
inquest work and in examining 450 witnesses. Those findings, reported in the
Coroner's Report of 1919 are followed by his recommendations to deal with
the festering social and economic conditions that were the precipitating
factors leading to the riots.


Sources:

  Hoffman, Peter M.  The Race Riots. Published as the: Cook County
(Ill.). Coroner's Office. Biennial Report 1918-1919 and Official
Record of Inquests on the Victims of the Race Riots of July and
August, 1919.


Deaths, Disturbances, Disasters and Disorders in Chicago
Compiled by Reference Librarians Ellen O'Brien and Lyle Benedict
Municipal Reference Collection, Chicago Public Library

Last Updated: 3/97



Now what other opinions did I give out...let me look.

Constitutionally, they should of been allowed to secede,

That is a fact...it was constitutionally correct that they had the right to
secede,,,look at the documents issued during the Buchanann administration...do you
want urls...I will get them for you.

but I think what might  have happened here, is Lincoln may have thought it was a
minor rebellion led by a few.  Not until he got forces out, did he realize how
dedicated each southron was and is dedicated to the cause.

This is opinion..

The North and the South had and still has a different culture,
economic structure, and I believe due to these reasons ...misunderstanding
occurred.

Fact...there cultures, economic structures were and are different...the movement
of the northerners down there may be changing their culture.

It is interesting to note, the people selling the slaves were black men
themselves,

Fact

and the one slave owner who had the most slaves was a Haitian that lived in
Louisiana.

Fact

One must also remember there were white slaves.

Fact

well slaves were expensiveand expensive to
maintain(slavery would have faded out on its own)

Fact

It was the over-seers that were the culprits, people who
learned how to abuse their power.  But if the were caught...many times it was
there behind.

Fact

Slavery as we see it, in the situation that we are in is evil,
we were raised that way, but let me throw out this one question on this, how can
we today dare judge a society of yesterday...without understanding the culture,
and the mores of that society.

Opinion


Many black folk were like family and treated as of such.

Fact..

Only 5% were slave owners, the war was over preservation of
cultures on both sides.

Fact

Economics is what one looks at, it was becoming uneconomical
to have slaves, and was going out.

Opinion

Those that owned the slaves would have made this transition from
slavery to freeman a lot more smoother, many slaves were
thrown out in the streets, did not have a place to go, the mighty liberals of
their day did not have a plan...the owners would have.

Opinion
> You have NO comprehension of what you are
> talking about when you start prattling about how "corrupted"
the south
>
Fact

Lee and others freed their slaves? Yes, there were economic reasons
to believe slavery  would end. But there were other forces that would have ended
it as well.

Now I did this with one post, could go back and do it with others...I am searching
and have been for some time...I have the urls that can back up everything I stated
as a fact and will if so requested...

>
> Talking about the underlying themes of the Bible is acceptable but quoting a
> sheep type mentality will make many of us bored "At Great Speed"
>

Did I do this ???  I don't think so.

>
> "This list is "Food For Thought" research so again Substance—not soapboxing!  .

Soapboxing ???

>
>
> I am not attacking you personally or attacking at all!  You have read the
> theme (or thread) of this list and you are allowed to say what ever you want
> (Free Speech) as long as you can come up with different citations.

HUH ?

>  Do not treat me as if I can not read or research or as if you are afraid that I
>
> might find out something different

[CTRL] C A V E R N S, D U N G E O N S A N D L A B Y R I N T H S

[Robert Tatman]

 -Caveat Lector-

No author's name or date given for this piece, but much interesting (if
unconfirmed) info...

Bob
===


   FILE NO. 007

 C A V E R N S,   D U N G E O N S   A N D   L A B Y R I N T H S


 In this 'File' we will examine reports of ancient subterrain
excavations, the very reality of which presupposes the existence
of scientifically-advanced races which reigned perhaps thousands
of years ago, excavations that had apparently been constructed
before the deluge and, in some cases, following it.  The account
which we record below appeared in the Oct. 1947 issue of 'AMAZING
STORIES' science fiction/science fact magazine, pp. 171-172:

"Sirs:
 "Norman Finley, a neighbor of a good friend of mine, told me
about an experience he had which was rather unusual.  He and a
couple of other fellows were hunting down in the Big Bend
country.  I don't know whether you are familiar with the Big Bend
or not, but there is no more wild or desolate area in the
country.  Rugged, mountainous, cut by canyons, there are
innumerable parts of it which have never known the foot of man.
 "It was in one of the most desirable areas that Finley and
his companions found themselves.  They had driven about ninety
miles southwest of Marathon, Texas, a little town of about 700
people, at the foot of the Del Norte Mountains, 4000 feet high,
and had then gone on afoot.  The dirt road just petered out and
they couldn't get their car further.  They were hunting deer but
had no luck.  Just as they were about to call it a day, Finley
spotted a mountain lion.  He snapped a shot at it and knocked it
over.  But the lion just rolled over on his feet and started to
leave those parts.
 "Finley and the other fellows took after him, since it was
obvious that he was wounded and not making very good time.  They
managed to keep him in sight for about a mile and were sure they
had him when he ran into a box canyon.  The lion, however,
started up a faint trail up one side of the canyon to a small
cave they could see about a hundred feet from the floor of the
canyon.  They followed him up this trail, but when they got to
the cave--there was no lion!
 "The cave was one of those dished-out affairs that are so
common in the southwest.  Eroded out of the face of a cliff and
cup-shaped.  The only access to it was by that trail.  But this
cave was a bit queer.  It had a sand floor and was just about big
enough to park twenty cars in it.  On the cliff edge was a low
STONE WALL.  This in itself was not too unusual, because such
caves have sheltered Indians for thousands of years.
 "The thing that did make it unusual was that in the rear of
it was a perfectly round hole.  It was obvious that the lion had
ducked into this.
 "They approached it rather cautiously and tossed some stones
in it to see if they could stir him up.  But there was no
response.  They could hear the stones rolling and bouncing down
an incline and the sound just got fainter and fainter until it
died away altogether.
 "They then approached the hole and peered down into it.  It
was perfectly round--also it was about four or five feet in
diameter.  They couldn't see very far down it, but it appeared to
descend rather sharply and at a steady gradient.  The fellows
gathered some dry grass from the canyon floor and made some
torches.  The incline of the bore was too steep for them to climb
down so they tossed the torches down it.  They just slid down
further and further and disappeared into the gloom.  They never
did see or hear of the lion again.
 "At first they thought they had stumbled onto some old
Spanish mine workings.  But there was no sign anywhere of a dump
that always goes with a mine.  By all rights there should have
been some sign of the earth and rock that had come out of that
hole--but there wasn't.
 "When they inspected the hole itself more closely, they were
amazed at it's symmetry and at the consistency of the section of
the bore as far as they could see down it.  The fact that the
bore was perfectly round puzzled them, too.  If it was a mine
shaft, it most certainly wouldn't have been round, but instead
would have been flat on the bottom.  The fact that the shaft
extended straight and unwavering as a rigid pipe was cause for
further amazement.  Since the fellows had no rope with them,
which would have been needed to descend the shaft, as well as
lights, they scratched their heads awhile and then left.
 "Finley wanted to go back with equipment and see how far
down the shaft went and what was at the bottom of it.  But
ranchers are busy people and he never went back.  In the meantime
he got pretty well broken up when a horse threw him and he now
lives in Fort Worth while he has someone else to run the ranch.
We talked rather idly about having a look at his cave someday.
He says he knows exactly where it is and could find that box
canyon with his eyes shut.  So far we haven't done anything abo

Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Hawk]

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"L. Shipton" wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Now as far as Slaves and Blacks we have had this here before too.  [snip]  Hawk
> does have a interesting mind set but his posts have shown him to be a lazy
> researcher,

What is this opinion based on?  I dare say that I have a library of books on the
subject, as well as reams of files, equal to or better than 95% of the people who
have criticized me.

> would be curious how he would summarized some of these books or URLs.  But for
> him to just talk about his history professor,

Speaking of lazy research!  I have not said a single word about my history
professor.. What is this, that people such as you say that I have gone "on and on"
about things I never even mentioned one time?

> the propaganda he learned in school

I have not based anything I have said on anything I "learned in school,"
propaganda or otherwise.  I've been out of school for 40 years, and don't recall
anything specifically being taught about these topics, other than the
generalization that the Civil War was fought to free the slaves, and I certainly
haven't said anything of the sort like that.

> and to now give us a book or something so that we can critic that propaganda as
> well is boring.

It might be boring to a lazy researcher such as one who challenges evidence
without refuting it (that's you).  In response to a charge that what I was saying
was nothing more than personal opinion and racist myth, I provided the names of
two books that contain a great deal of documentation such as court cases, the law,
U.S. census data, etc etc ... Your response is... "he gave us a book or
something.."  What did you expect as documentation, other than a document (or
something)?

> Now think of this list as a English paper that you have to turn in and that
> (at least some of) your posts are required to have citations, documentation,
> or URLs that allow us to make our own opinions.

Or maybe "a book or something" One of which was written by a Pulitzer
Prize-winning economist, no less.

> We are either bored, curious, nosy, making a living writing - but all of us
> believe that we have brains that allow us to study ourselves.

Maybe you should study something besides yourself... Might find something
interesting.

> This list is "Food For Thought" research so again Substance—not soapboxing!  .

Ahem... may I have the soapbox for just a moment?  I do not find attacks such as
"you are an idiot" and "you are lying" and "you are merely repeating your history
professor" as "research and substance."  Then again, we disagree on other issues
too.

> Do not treat me as if I can not read or research or as if you are afraid that I
> might find out something different.

I believe you just (above) accused me of that very same thing... Can we chalk that
up to poor memory, or is it more likely a "double standard"??

> So put up (some citations or something sometimes) or PLEASE shut up and this
> goes to some others (that have been using this as a forum for their PRIVATE
> opinions from PRIVATE research as well) as well.

Is this your way of saying "Goodbye?"

Hawk

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[CTRL] The Jimmy Carter Coke Scandal

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an excerpt from:
Blacklisted News, Secret History . . . From Chicago, '68, to 1984
©1983 Youth International Party Information Service
Bleecker Publishing
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Canal St. Station
New York, NY 10012
ISBN 0-912873-00-0
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Notice the players, the plays and the results . . .
Om
K
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"Cocaine-why should Yippies be down on coke? What about Abbie Hoffman?" said
Jody Powell, clutching a copy of the issue reproduced on the facing page in
his hot little hand.

After confering[sic] with Y.T.[Yippie Times] staffers in a New Hampshire hotel
lobby, it was a thoughtful Jody Powell indeed who took word back to Georgia,
where the State Bureau of Revenue was finally prevailed upon to return the
$28,000 Yippie Warchest seized at secret service instigation in May of '75.
(The GBR had defied a series of court orders, refusing for almost a year to
give it back, depriving Yippies of precious lead-time needed to prepare for
the '76 convention protests.)

Then, shortly after Yippies with "Coke Freaks For Carter" signs greeted Carter
at the Madison airport, and a TAKEOVER reprint on the scandal gave it media
currency around the state, Mo Udall came from behind in Wisconsin to within a
hairsbreath of beating out Carter. The warchest was percipitously returned-the
first and only time the GBR had ever done that, according to courthouse
observers.

Not until 1981, under Reagan, did we locate and interview the dealer who'd
given not just an initial $50,000, but additional payments totaling $150,000
for Phil Walden to produce Concerts for Carter (naively believing it would
secure marijuana legalization).

Yet, as we told Jody Powell in that fateful confrontation in New Hampshire,
what pissed us off wasn't the cocaine
( altho we foresaw, based on what had happened to Abbie, how a coke scandal
would bleed the democrats to death for 4 years ... ) but the cover-up of the
contributions, obstruction of justice, and the whole pattern of throwing the
little people to the wolves: all so reminiscent of Nixon.

Yippies instinctively felt that we had not fought so long to end the war, only
to leave the basic regime intact. James Rector, Randy Anderson and all the
others had not been martyred to elect a cold war democrat who as Georgia
governor threatened to bring the Guard on campus after the Kent shootings,
which he applauded.

Nonetheless, the story made next to no headway in '76—and not just because all
the reporters were turning on to coke themselves. Typically, the Rolling
Stone, which had launched Carter's counter-cultural identification with Bob
Dylan and blue jeans in Hunter Thompson's piece on Carter's Law Day speach,
followed it up with a "definitive" feature on Patty Hearst. The choice seemed
stark: armed struggle and fiery suicide ... or Carter.

Having reached the point of supporting someone they didn't really like
"because he was a winner," the "liberal" half of the country (who'd backed
McGovern, while finding the organized Left hopelessly mired in rigidity) found
it easy to self-censor unpleasant stories from threatening people. So long as
Carter was a only potentially President, and couldn't yet disillusion anyone,
the currents converging on the political center were simply too strong for the
Coke Scandal to become a Big Story in 1976.

Extraordinary efforts are still made by liberals of a Cold War stripe to
discredit it, based on the publication, several months after initial pieces in
New Times and Y.T., of a similar story in the neo-Nazi organ Spotlight dredged
up from their own rightwing sources in the Georgia. So ... it's not our fault
it really happened. All three articles included in this volume are updated
versions prepared for distribution in New Hampshire in 1980.

The Jimmy Carter Coke Scandal

Pt. 1 -Waldengate

In the past 3 weeks, a spate of news items has peppered the papers with veiled
hints and outright charges of intimidation being brought to bear on witnesses
due to testify before the special prosecutor in the Ham Jordan cocaine
investigation-" pressures" which at least one potential witness, Barry M.
Landau, has characterized as "Nixonian." This is not the first time a Carter
Presidential campaign has been charged with a cover-up:

Early in February, 1976, while Candidate Carter trudged through the snow in
New Hampshire, word began to leak out that a federal grand jury was
investigating a cocaine ring stretching from Colombia to the top echelons of
Carter's fund-raising operations.

Suspicion of a Cocaine-Carter Connection first arose during a 1976 federal
grand jury investigation of an international coke ring allegedly thought to be
centered in Macon, Georgia. Federal, state, county and city narcs were
collaborating to trace what the Georgia Bureau of Investigation called the
"cocaine trail" from its source in the peaks of the Andes Mountains in South
America to a domestic distribution point in Macon. The grand jury sought the
"higher-ups" in this farflung narcotics network.

$50,000 o

[CTRL] Slave Documentation

[Hawk]

 -Caveat Lector-

Gerald Harp wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > There are two rather   interesting photographs related to the CSA prison camp
> in Tyler, Texas (Camp  Ford).  One shows a group of prisoners photographed upon
> their departure  from  prison.. They were all dressed rather nattily, with frock
> coats, ties,  "plantation" hats, etc.  In fact, they "could have been dressed
> for the
> ball.
> > "
>
> Shame on you, Hawk.  Have you never heard of Potemkin Village?

Why "shame on me"?  The photos are available for anyone to see.  And, no, I have
not heard of Potemkin Village, at least I have no recollection of it.  Does it
have some bearing on prisoners at Camp Ford, Texas?

> I think that the distance between us on how the slaves lived and were treated
> is due to two things.
>
> The living conditions and psychological environment of the slaves varied
> enormously between regions and plantations.

No doubt there was quite a lot of variation.. The same is true of family life,
churches, local politics, etc.  That is why "history by anecdote" is limited in
its usefulness to determine "general patterns."

> I place greater credence in the slaves themselves as to what their lives were
> like.

"Greater credence" compared with what?  You have to remember that the "Slave
Narratives" were recorded in the mid-1930's (or thereabouts).  That was about 70
years after the Civil War ended.  Any "first-hand" recollections of life as a
slave would have been based on child-hood experiences, influenced by "family
tradition" passed down by older slaves.  When I was a lad, we had several families
of "colored folks" who lived and worked on my grandfather's farm.  The patriarc of
that group was "Uncle" John Hardin.  He had been a slave, and we sometimes talked
about it because of my interest in "old times" or history -- even as a youth.  His
personal recollections were that life was pleasant -- but then, most of his days
were filled with playing and games.  He recalled "rumors of war" and how fearful
everyone was when soldiers approached the vicinity (Union or Confederate), and he
recalled being excluded from the family council (because he was too young) that
was held to decide what the ex-slaves were going to do "now that we're free."  He
and the other children sneaked under the house and listened to the
debate/conversation.  They all decided to "stay at home," and their descendants
are still in that community.

As for placing greater credence on narratives of slaves compared with other
sources, we must remember that one of the conditions of slavery was greatly
reduced (or maybe even the absence of) self-management or personal liberty.
Hardly anyone likes that condition... If we were to conduct "Teen-age Narratives"
of almost any era, we would probably find that they considered their lives
somewhat more "terrible" than the facts would justify... hence the moaning and
groaning about restrictions on their activities, choice of clothing,
entertainment, etc.  We'd have to consider A LOT of other evidence along with
their personal feelings.  That does not imply that SOME teenagers have had
horrible experiences... it just doesn't support the idea that all have... Again,
history by individual anecdote is limited in the whole scope of things.

> During the 1950s and 1960s when the South was being weaned from Jim
> Crow, it was common for Southern apologists to say things like "Some of my
> best friends..." or "We all got along fine here until those outsiders began
> stirring things up."

One doesn't have to be a "southern apologist" to say those things... It happens to
be true.  Surely you aren't saying that "some of the best friends" of white people
were Negroes?  And, as for "getting along fine," it is quite true that there was a
lot less turmoil before the 60's... You should NOT infer that I approve of "Jim
Crow" laws.  I don't.  I do not think there should be any laws requiring or
prohiting personal relationships based on race.  However, I do advocate that
people should not be prohibited from being racist "by law."  It doesn't work
anyway... Racism has not decreased as a result of "civil rights" laws.

> [My wife attended a YWCA in the South during this time. When she and a friend
> arrived by car to the motel of a small town on their trip, they were frightened
> by the paranoia of the folks in the motel lobby. Many questions aimed at
> determining whether the travelers were there "to stir up trouble."]

And with good reason to be concerned, in my opinion.

> The apologists for slavery in the US are hardly alone, the phenomena is common
> enough.  For instance, i have no doubt that if we asked the Japanese who
> participated in the POW camps where American prisoners were held how the
> prisoners were treated.  They would assure the questioner that the treatment
> was fair and reasonable.

Some would, some wouldn't.  They would no doubt tend to be defensive, especially
considering their wonder

Re: [CTRL] chemical warfare against America #4

[Hilary Thomas]

 
 


Laura Shipton wrote:
>major snip
 
 
Yet, the company sent out a 100,000 brosers 
warning about the dangers of Ritalin (I have lost that url) to pharmacists 
and doctors.  It said that Ritalin was originally developed of 
Narcissism (suddenly falling asleep) 
 
Narcissism is a 
state where everything is perceived to be in relation to one's self and not 
to other persons or things.
 
Narcolepsy is a sudden and uncontrollable disposition to sleep.
 
This is not to debunk the rest of the post.  I 
haven't read it yet (it's a bit lengthy).
 
Hilary

Re: [CTRL] Warren Harding

[William Hugh Tunstall]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thank you, Howard, for the informative post on Harding.  It was a sincere
question... and your response is well-stated and to the point.

His pardon of Debs must have been a controversial one... Having the
courage to pardon someone whose political philosophy one finds repugnant
required courage.  So, in this respect, I find myself agreeing with you..
he must have had some measure of personal greatness.

I would agree with you that the creation of the Federal Reserve was a
mistake.  You might find Lindbergh's speeches (the father of the aviator)
to be interesting reading He predicted the future economic history of
the country..and warned his fellow citizens what would happen if the Fed
was created.  President Wilson did fall under the influence of Wall Street
influence..  I've read a great deal on the creation of the Federal Reserve
(Jekyll Island, the Aldrich Committee, the role of Col. House, Morgan and
Rockefeller).  Of course, much of this material plays a crucial role in
conspiracy lore.

If you're interested in the period, I would recommend that you read the
testimony of a Philadelphia banker named Barker...who gave evidence before
a
Congressional hearing, claiming that the Panic of 1907 was orchestrated by
the Morgan interests (in other words, a conspiracy).  His testimony was
denounced by then President Theodore Roosevelt...  Strangely, the Barker
testimony has never surfaced in many books dealing with the creation of
the Fed.

In preparing a senior college paper on the Fed, I went back into the
Congressional Record...primary sources. the debates on the creation of
a central bank for the country make for interesting reading.

Regards,
William

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I was the one who mentioned my belief that Harding was the best US
> president of the 20th century. I should have answered the question of
> why I thought he was the best president of the 20th century sooner, but
> with the hundreds of e-mails I am getting each day, it fell through the
> cracks. First, I should explain that my ranking of Harding as the best
> is partly because I consider all the others to have been pretty poor.
> Several accomplishments of other president were mentioned such as
> leading the country out of the depression, building the interstate, and
> pushing civil rights legisilation. I believe that the first refers to
> FDR. My studies have lead me to believe that his policies extended the
> depression (1937 was the year of the highest unemployment) and did great
> harm to our form of government. He put the country into bankruptcy and
> instituted emergeny rule which has never been ended. His war record was
> not much better. He may have purposely allowed the attack of Pearl
> Harbor (at the minimum he did not sufficiently warn the commanders of
> the diplomatic situation). Though the enemy was eventually defeated, his
> negotiations with Stalin left more people enslaved then were previous to
> the war.  By your referral to the Interstate, I believe you are writing
> about Eisenhower. He was certainly a fine president in many ways.
> However, the growth of the CIA and the military complex were troubling
> even to him. While the Interstate was a great accomplishment in many
> ways, it would have been preferable to me if these had been built by
> private interests. Especially troubling about this system is the way it
> is used to force states to follow federal dictates through threat of
> loss of road money. This was all piggy backed upon the Interstates. As
> far as civil rights legislation. You must be referring to Johnson. While
> I also have trouble with this legislation because of its federalizing
> influence, its relative merits are not necessary for me to disqualify in
> my own mind Johnson as a better president. I only have to remind myself
> that it was Johnson who expanded the Viet Nam War.
>So why do I think so highly of Harding? Primarily it is because of
> two aspects of his presidency (and the extension of these under his
> successor at his death).  First, he reversed the expansion of state
> power that had been so great under the Wilson administration. Though he
> did not rid the country of the Federal Reserve or the income taxes
> introduced by Wilson, he was able to return to their owners many
> industries that the federal government had taken over during the war.
> This enabled a great recovery of the economy and a return to “normalcy”
> at a crucial time. The second, and very much related to the first, was
> his ending of a strike which threatened to destroy the US economy. You
> need to remember that this was just after the Communist takeover of
> Russia and many throughout the world believed that communism was the
> wave of the future. Many intellectuals in this country were avowed
> communists and there were at the time even several US senators
> (primarily out west) who were sympathetic (if not card carrying members)
>

[CTRL] Fwd: LP Press Release: anti-drug killer fungus

[Agent Smiley]

>  [Forwared via Dawn Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>
>  ===
>  NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
>  2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
>  Washington DC 20037
>  World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/
>  ===
>  For release: January 11, 1999
>  ===
>  For additional information:
>  George Getz, Press Secretary
>  Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
>  E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ===
>
>
>  Libertarians blast Congress for spending
>  $23 million to develop anti-drug killer fungus
>
>  WASHINGTON, DC -- The United States government is spending $23
>  million to develop a killer fungus to wipe out marijuana plants -- a
>  dangerous plan that could cause an environmental catastrophe, said the
>  Libertarian Party today.
>
>  "This project is the political equivalent of athlete's foot
>  fungus: It's nasty, it's dangerous, and it needs to be stopped before
>  it spreads," said LP National Director Steve Dasbach. "The last thing
>  we need is a bio-engineered killer fungus turned loose on the world."
>
>  Late last year, Congress passed legislation that authorized $23
>  million for research into soil-borne fungi called "mycoherbicides,"
>  which will attack and kill marijuana plants, poppy plants, and coca
>  plants.
>
>  When developed, the fungus could be released in such South
>  American countries as Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia, said U.S. officials.
>
>  The legislation was guided through Congress by U.S.
>  Representatives Bill McCollum (R-FL) and Mike DeWine (R-OH), who said
>  the killer fungus was potentially a "silver bullet" in the War on
>  Drugs.
>
>  But Libertarians say the tax-subsidized fungus is a "biohazard"
>  that could have a disastrous impact on the ecosystems of the target
>  nations -- and, potentially, the whole world.
>
>  "In the government's irresponsible search for a quick-fix in
>  the War on Drugs, politicians could cause terrifying long-term
>  ecological problems," warned Dasbach. According to scientists, the
>  killer fungus could...
>
>  * Attack other plants, wiping out valuable cash crops.
>
>  "For example, a chemical alkaloid similar to the one that
>  produces cocaine is present in many legal plants -- including tobacco
>  and coffee beans," said Dasbach. "In an effort to wipe out drugs, this
>  killer fungus could wipe out the livelihood of millions of farmers."
>
>  * Cause many plants to develop stronger chemical defenses
>  against the fungus, which could then mutate and spread to other,
>  harmful plants.
>
>  "According to scientists, mutated plants could pass on these
>  resistant genes and create herbicide-resistant weeds, which could have
>  a ruinous effect on farm yields," he said. "With world hunger already a
>  problem, why risk making it worse?"
>
>  * Wipe out industrial hemp plants, which are legal in every
>  major industrialized country outside the United States.
>
>  "No fungus is smart enough to tell the difference between legal
>  hemp and illegal marijuana," noted Dasbach. "This fungus could be the
>  biological warfare equivalent of carpet bombing -- killing whatever is
>  in its path."
>
>  What should Americans do about this dangerous program? Tell
>  their Congressional representatives to apply a strong dose of political
>  fungicide to "cure" it, said Dasbach.
>
>  "This tax-funded fungus should be treated like any dangerous
>  mold or mildew -- exposed to sunlight and wiped clean. Congress should
>  just say no to biological warfare."
>
>  Dasbach also said Libertarians have a better way to reduce the
>  consumption of marijuana, with no environmental risks: Legalize it.
>
>  In the Netherlands, he noted, where marijuana is
>  decriminalized, drug use is half that of the United States. In fact, a
>  new study revealed that while 32.9% of Americans have tried marijuana,
>  only 15.6% of Dutch adults have done so.
>
>  "Treating adults like adults -- and letting them make decisions
>  about how to live their lives -- seems to have a stronger anti-drug
>  effect than any killer fungus," said Dasbach. "Wouldn't it be ironic if
>  liberty was a more effective anti-drug program than deadly
>  mycoherbicides?"
>
>
>  The Libertarian Party
>  http://www.lp.org/
>  2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100  voice:
>  202-333-0008
>  Washington DC 20037 fax:
>  202-333-0072




[Forwared via Dawn Walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

===
NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/
===
For release: January 11, 1999
===
For additional information:
George Getz

Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[L. Shipton]

 -Caveat Lector-

Now as far as Slaves and Blacks we have had this here before too.  Look up
the history of the KKK.  Started at a University and  continued as a way to
keep businesses from bringing in Blacks as strike breakers.  If you find
more please list the book or URL.  If you want to know more ask questions
instead of sprouting off personal opinions - there are many on this list
that have studied this extensively.  Hawk does have a interesting mind set
but his posts have shown him to be a lazy researcher, would be curious how
he would summarized some of these books or URLs.  But for him to just talk
about his history professor, the propaganda he learned in school and to now
give us a book or something so that we can critic that propaganda as well is
boring.

For Carlene
Up till now you have contributed nothing to this list besides "Personal
Opinion".  Now there may be others that have extreme opinions - we have had
URL's from some about Vampires, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims - you
get the idea.  Quoting the Bible to some of the people that read this list
just shows a narrow mindedness that would allow propaganda to flurish.
Talking about the underlying themes of the Bible is acceptable but quoting a
sheep type mentality will make many of us bored "At Great Speed"

"To Find New Oceans You Must Not Be Afraid To Lose Sight Of The Shore"
This is why I say the I believe in the 10 Commandments and the Constitution!

Now think of this list as a English paper that you have to turn in and that
(at least some of) your posts are required to have citations, documentation,
or URLs that allow us to make our own opinions.  We are either bored,
curious, nosy, making a living writing - but all of us believe that we have
brains that allow us to study ourselves.

>From the Bible - My father and yours - In other words I am allowed to study
from the same book(s) that he did "The Old Testament" and learn the same
things that he did.  Now if you want to use the Bible - live by YOUR beliefs
and give us something that allows us to make our own opinions Not just
having to listen to you sprouting your own version of propaganda.   We get
away with a bit of ("good") natured quibbling at times because we have
(previously) brought in some very good tibits.  This list is "Food For
Thought" research so again Substance—not soapboxing!  .

I am not attacking you personally or attacking at all!  You have read the
theme (or thread) of this list and you are allowed to say what ever you want
(Free Speech) as long as you can come up with different citations.  Do not
treat me as if I can not read or research or as if you are afraid that I
might find out something different.

Take it up with the list manager(s) - you will find that they will back me
up or am I backing them up?  So put up (some citations or something
sometimes) or
PLEASE
shut up and this goes to some others (that have been using this as a forum
for their PRIVATE opinions from PRIVATE research as well) as well.

Laura
AKA The Pied Piper

-Original Message-
From: Carlene M. Wojahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>> >> Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
>> >
>> >Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from
the era indicate
>> that such was the situation,
>>
>> Documents which you fail to give titles for, let alone quote...
>
>Yes please state what documents you are talking about.
>
>
>>  As a matter of FACT, Unitarianism is NOT prevalant here in the
>>  Northeast...Unitarianism isn't even Christianity...
>
>-But most of our leaders were Unitarianism...well according to one of
my history profs.
>
>> ---The regions do have different types of religion as I first pointed
out...the South is
>> more fundamentalist..Baptist...Bible Churches...the Northern Churches
more
>> structured...and maybe more rigid...
>
>"The north was all into "social engineering" or "solving the problems
of the poor" etc
>much like the Methodist Church today... it was more "man-centered" rather
than bible centered
>or Christ-centered"
>
>-I know where I live there are mainly the main protestant and Catholic
Churches..not many
>Bible or Baptist, and they seem to be quite prevalent done south..do your
homework you can
>find this out on your own.
>
>>
>> If I were to say that the opinions of Marx influenced the northeast, or
>> that Napoleon's tactics influenced the Confederacy, it would not be the
>> same as saying the North was Communist and the South was French.  OK?
>>
>> Which means you admit that your statement is meaninless drivel...
>
>===Reread his statement..perfectly logical to mehe is simply trying to
say something can
>be influenced by something...but that does not mean it is what it is
influenced by.
>Okay...example ...Okay..I have been influenced by my pa

[CTRL] (no subject)

[Agent Smiley]

 -Caveat Lector-

FCC to Examine Internet Pricing Issues

by Sari Kalin, IDG News Service


 (December 30, 1996) -- The U.S. Federal Communications Commission wants to
let Internet service providers off the hook for now. The agency tentatively
recommended that ISPs not pay current interstate access charges to local
telephone exchange carriers.

Despite that position, the FCC opened the door to examining Internet traffic
more carefully in the future. It has issued a notice of inquiry (NOI)
requesting comment on whether it should consider interstate information
services and the Internet separately from access charge reform.

While long-distance companies must pay local exchange carriers a fee for
completing a voice or data call on either end--fees estimated by the FCC to
total $13 billion a year--ISPs have been exempt for more than a decade. Long-
distance companies have long complained that the access charges are far above
costs, while the local exchange carriers have said they need the funds to
subsidize universal phone service. Some local exchange carriers, of late, have
also complained to the FCC that Internet traffic is clogging the public
telephone network.

Given concerns that Internet traffic is taxing the public phone system, the
FCC wants comments on how it can "create incentives for the deployment of
services and facilities to allow more efficient transport of data traffic,"
according to an FCC statement.

The FCC says that Internet issues are beyond the scope of the current
interstate access charge debate. For now, that is a victory for ISPs and
consumers, since the longer that ISPs can go without paying access charges,
the longer consumers can enjoy cheap Internet access, said Neal Friedman, an
attorney specializing in communications and online services at Pepper &
Corazzini in Washington, D.C. But the battle is far from over, he said.

Under last week’s notice of proposed rule making, which opens the debate on
interstate access charges, the FCC said it will look at ways to change rate
levels and structure to bring them more in line, the official said. Rate
structure could be modified by market forces, as competition increases, or by
the FCC, which could spell out a new rate plan if it believes that competition
alone won't be enough.

Comments on the notice of proposed rule making are due Jan. 27, and replies
are due Feb. 13, according to the FCC official. Comments on the notice of
inquiry are due Feb. 21 and replies are due March 24.




Baby Bell Legal Victory Could Slow Down Local Phone Competition

FCC to Lower International Interconnection Rates

Hundt's Law


Infoseek Targets Corporate Customers


AGP: The X2 of Accelerators


•  Billions Sold

•  Free Net Access

•  What Price Microsoft?

•  Microsoft: My Turn

•  More Mobile CPUs




FCC








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Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Gerald Harp]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/10/99 10:23:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> There are two rather
>  interesting photographs related to the CSA prison camp in Tyler, Texas
(Camp
>  Ford).  One shows a group of prisoners photographed upon their departure
> from
>  prison.. They were all dressed rather nattily, with frock coats, ties,
>  "plantation" hats, etc.  In fact, they "could have been dressed for the
ball.
> "

Shame on you, Hawk.  Have you never heard of Potemkin Village?

I think that the distance between us on how the slaves lived and were treated
is due to two things.

The living conditions and psychological environment of the slaves varied
enormously between regions and plantations.

I place greater credence in the slaves themselves as to what their lives were
like.  During the 1950s and 1960s when the South was being weaned from Jim
Crow, it was common for Southern apologists to say things like "Some of my
best friends..." or "We all got along fine here until those outsiders began
stirring things up."  [My wife attended a YWCA in the South during this time.
When she and a friend arrived by car to the motel of a small town on their
trip, they were frightened by the paranoia of the folks in the motel lobby.
Many questions aimed at determining whether the travelers were there "to stir
up trouble."]

The apologists for slavery in the US are hardly alone, the phenomena is common
enough.  For instance, i have no doubt that if we asked the Japanese who
participated in the POW camps where American prisoners were held how the
prisoners were treated.  They would assure the questioner that the treatment
was fair and reasonable.  My recollection is that Americans died in the
Japanese POW camps at a rate 8 times greater than they died in the camps of
Nazi Germany.  Nothing is more enlightening on this issue than to read Bataan
Death March which lets the American prisoners speak for themselves.

Likewise the ex-slaves speak for themselves.  Their opinions vary considerably
but overall the picture emerges of mostly semi-isolated lives on plantations
of fewer than 10 slaves having brutal lives of onerous labor in the fields
with no regard shown for families or respect for person.  Yes, there are
exceptions, such as owner buying a comely mulatto girl who could sew after a
fashion and taking her back home, installing her in a bedroom with a a needle
and thread and announcing to the Mrs. that they had a new seamstress.  This
was hardly a good life for either the slave girl or the mistress but i suppose
you could contend that it was a pleasant life of ease if your thinking allows
it.

Jerry

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spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
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Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Hawk]

 -Caveat Lector-

YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> >> Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
> >
> >Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from the era 
>indicate
> >that such was the situation, or that those who were living at the time believed it 
>to be
> >so
>
> Documents which you fail to give titles for, let alone quote...

This will give you something to start on:  "Time On the Cross" by Fogel and 
Engerman. "A
Defense of Virginia and the South" by Dabney.  When you finish those, contact me and 
I'll
send you some more.

> >> As a matter of FACT, Unitarianism is NOT prevalant here in the
> >> Northeast...Unitarianism isn't even Christianity...
> >
> >I have no idea what is prevalant in the northeast now...
>
> The same religions that have ALWAYS been prevalent...

Probably so... That doesn't alter the fact that Unitarianism has had an influence on 
them.

> >If I were to say that the opinions of Marx influenced the northeast, or
> >that Napoleon's tactics influenced the Confederacy, it would not be the
> >same as saying the North was Communist and the South was French.  OK?
>
> Which means you admit that your statement is meaninless drivel...

Which means that you cannot decifer between fact and fiction...and appear to be 
incapable of
following a line of connected thoughts... I think I'm wasting my time.

> >You may be aware of any number of facts of which I am unaware...
>
> Then why do you continue to post your PERSONAL OPINION and PREJUDICES as if they were
> FACTS?

Hey, lady?  The fact that you may know your mother's name (or maybe even your father's
name),  and I have not been exposed to that information, has nothing whatsoever to do 
with
whether or not what I say is "fact" or "opinion" unless I am commenting on your 
ancestors.

> Jerry praises you for your 'documentation', but yet I've never seen you
> provide one iota of documentation...and in fact your private opinions
> posted as 'fact' have been roundly refuted by actual facts time and time
> again...

Well, I just gave you some... And which "private opinions" are you speaking of that 
have been
roundly refuted by actual facts... Don't bother with "all of them," just give me a few.

> >If so, say what's on your mind.
>
> I already have, but I'll repeat it:  You are an idiot who posts his personal opinion 
>and
> prejudices as if they were a matter of fact,

Well, you're a super nice lady who is just way too sharp for me to pull that off on 
you, I
suppose... But the challenge is still open... You provide one such "personal opinion or
prejudice" that has been refuted by fact.  When you do, I will confess that you are 
correct.

> without providing a shred of documentation; and when you're obvious fallacies are
> pointed out by documented facts,

(by the way, it should be "your")  I haven't seen the documented facts which point 
out my
fallacies... Again, just summarize two or three for me.

> you turn around and start calling those who provide FACTS to counter your prejudices 
>any
> variety of names.

Oh?  I don't think that is true, although memory may have failed me.  Who, or when,
specifically, did I call anyone who provided a fact to counter a prejudice any kind of
name??  Maybe I owe them an apology... provide the info.

> >But if you continue with your beligerant posts, I am going to start
> >responding in kind...
>
> If DOCUMENTED FACTS are considered 'beligerant' by you, so be it...

What DOCUMENTED FACT  have you provided, that contradicted what I have said?

> >and I guarantee you, I am meaner than you are,
>
> Don't bet on it...

Don't have to.

> >So how 'bout you just lighten up a little bit, and be respectful...
>
> Again, if pointing out that you are posting personal opinion and
> prejudice as if they were 'facts' is considered 'disrespectful',

Well, I sort of think that calling someone a liar, without proof of their lying, or 
calling
someone an "idiot" without documentation of that charge, might be considered 
disrepectful...
It is where I live, anyway.  Maybe its different in your neck of the woods.

> so be it...I will NOT cease to point out your obvious errors...

I don't know of the first one you've pointed out yet.

> I personally feel your agenda is to disrupt this list in any manner that
> you can, and that you're just looking for an excuse to start up again.

You keep challenging me... I assure you that I don't personally care to have 
discussions with
you, so accusing me of wanting to be disruptive is silly.  If you don't believe that, 
give it
a try.  Drop the discussion with me, and I assure you I'll leave you alone.

> I will go on record as stating that I for one do NOT welcome you back.

Gee, I was hoping you were happy about it.  Should my feelings be hurt?

Hawk

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[CTRL] Iraq rejects Saudi plan to ease sanctions

[Agent Smiley]

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 Plan or ploy?


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Iraq rejects Saudi plan to ease sanctions



Kuwaiti military on alert
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq on Monday rejected Saudi Arabia's proposal to ease
sanctions against Iraq, reiterating Baghdad's stance that the U.N. embargo
must be lifted completely.

Tension among Arab Gulf nations was also underlined Monday when Kuwait
announced that part of its military was put on full combat alert, following a
threat by the Iraqi parliament to withdraw recognition of Kuwait.

 ALSO:
U.S. jets fire missiles in northern Iraq

Saudi newspapers reported an initiative on Sunday to ease U.N. sanctions on
Iraq to ease the plight of the Iraqi people. The sanctions were imposed after
Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Saudi Arabia reportedly recommended that Iraq
be allowed to buy and sell all goods -- except military equipment or material
that could be used for military purposes.

But Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz rejected the idea of a partial
lifting of sanctions.

"Iraq totally rejects the so-called Saudi initiative reported by Saudi
newspapers based in London," Aziz said in a statement carried by the official
Iraqi news agency.

He accused Saudi Arabia of having supported the recent bombing raids of Iraq
by the United States and Britain, meant as punishment for Iraq's non-
cooperation with U.N. weapons inspectors.

"Therefore, it is not expected that Saudi Arabia comes up with a sincere and
positive proposal in favor of Iraq," Aziz said, referring to the country as
"party to the recent aggression against Iraq."

Iraqi Foreign Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf also accused both Saudi Arabia
and Kuwait of conspiring to destroy Iraq.


Tariq Aziz

"They are participating in an American and British conspiracy to divide Iraq.
They are doing their utmost and (are) spending limitless amounts of money in
order to continue keeping sanctions against Iraq," Aziz said.


Kuwaiti military on alert

In a tangible sign of mounting tension in the region, Kuwait said on Monday
that it had put part of its armed forces on full, combat ready alert in
response to Iraqi "threats" to Gulf Arab states.


Iraqi parliament

In a special two-day session on the U.N. sanctions issue, members of Iraq's
parliament had raised the specter of rejecting all U.N. Security Council
resolutions and withdrawing recognition of Kuwait.

However, the chamber eventually backed off from such a resolution on Kuwait.

U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen repeated on Monday that Washington was
ready to act militarily if Baghdad threatened Kuwait.

Iraqi newspapers reported Monday that Hussein, chairing his second Cabinet
meeting this year, asked his ministers to outline measures they had taken in
anticipation of further airstrikes.


Arab world divided

The Saudi sanctions initiative apparently is aimed at calming the Arab public,
which has become increasingly concerned about the suffering of Iraq's 22
million people under the sanctions, according to observers.

But the Saudis and their allies also are becoming increasingly irritated at
Hussein, who has called on Arabs in other nations to rise up and overthrow
leaders who do not support Iraq.

On Sunday, the official Saudi Press Agency urged Iraqis to oust Hussein.

The call was echoed by Egypt's Foreign Minister, Amr Moussa, in comments
published Monday in a Berlin newspaper.

"Iraq is a rich country that has become poor under Saddam Hussein's regime. We
are of the opinion that he is no longer capable of being responsible for his
country's politics ... Iraq needs a new government," Moussa was quoted as
saying by the Berliner Kurier newspaper.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[Carlene M. Wojahn]

 -Caveat Lector-

> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> >> Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
> >
> >Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from the era 
>indicate
> that such was the situation,
>
> Documents which you fail to give titles for, let alone quote...

Yes please state what documents you are talking about.


>  As a matter of FACT, Unitarianism is NOT prevalant here in the
>  Northeast...Unitarianism isn't even Christianity...

-But most of our leaders were Unitarianism...well according to one of my history 
profs.

> ---The regions do have different types of religion as I first pointed out...the 
>South is
> more fundamentalist..Baptist...Bible Churches...the Northern Churches more
> structured...and maybe more rigid...

"The north was all into "social engineering" or "solving the problems of the poor" 
etc
much like the Methodist Church today... it was more "man-centered" rather than bible 
centered
or Christ-centered"

-I know where I live there are mainly the main protestant and Catholic 
Churches..not many
Bible or Baptist, and they seem to be quite prevalent done south..do your homework you 
can
find this out on your own.

>
> If I were to say that the opinions of Marx influenced the northeast, or
> that Napoleon's tactics influenced the Confederacy, it would not be the
> same as saying the North was Communist and the South was French.  OK?
>
> Which means you admit that your statement is meaninless drivel...

===Reread his statement..perfectly logical to mehe is simply trying to say 
something can
be influenced by something...but that does not mean it is what it is influenced by.
Okay...example ...Okay..I have been influenced by my parents beliefs, but my parents 
beliefs
and mine are not the same.  One can be influenced positively or negatively by
something/someone but that doesn't mean you are what you are influenced by.

You might have to reread this statement too
 maybe even a couple of times



> Jerry praises you for your 'documentation', but yet I've never seen you
> provide one iota of documentation...and in fact your private opinions
> posted as 'fact' have been roundly refuted by actual facts time and time
> again...
>
> >If so, say what's on your mind.
>
> I already have, but I'll repeat it:  You are an idiot who posts his
> personal opinion and prejudices as if they were a matter of fact, without
> providing a shred of documentation;

-Whoa !!!  You can call names...ot to be careful when you do that, you can say 
something
like I think you are an idiot, without getting into trouble but if you are saying it 
is a
fact that someone is an idiot ...especially in public...you better be able to prove 
it...or
you may end up in court.  One must deal with the facts, and you are stating/declaring 
to this
list that this individual, Hawk is an idiot, then I  must ask you for your proof in you
saying that he is.  How do you support this premise ?  Do you have some documentation
regarding this statement that we should be made aware of, if so what is this 
documentation
and where can it be found ?

---I think the person who wrote that above is dealing with the way that person feels, 
and
because of this has resorted to name calling..which I consider to be offensive to me 
...I
have to read this garbage.  Let us deal with the facts and not opinions of 
others...that is
what you have requested, isn't it ?

> and when you're obvious fallacies are pointed out by documented facts, you turn 
>around and
> start calling those who provide FACTS to counter your prejudices any variety of 
>names.

Yeah...like you just did..Just went to the archives and I saw the reply in which 
this
Hawk guy was kicked off...he was called names, like you are calling him now, and he 
defended
himself.
It is you who is calling names to cloud up the facts...I want to learn here...and 
I want
to listen but not to name calling and juvenile behavior like this.

>
> If DOCUMENTED FACTS are considered 'beligerant' by you, so be it...

Huh ???  I have seen no documented facts in these posts by you...name your sources,
page number and such.

> >and I guarantee you, I am meaner than you are,
>
> Don't bet on it...
>

Knock it offI do not like to get on the computer...and first thing..bump into 
what I
believe to be juvenile posts knocking one anothermaybe both of you need a time out.

>
> >So how 'bout you just lighten up a little bit, and be respectful...
>

Wait ...maybe this person is trying to be respectful...

>
> Again, if pointing out that you are posting personal opinion and
> prejudice as if they were 'facts' is considered 'disrespectful', so be
> it...I will NOT cease to point out your obvious errors...

Ma'am I consider you to be disrespectful to all of us on this list after reading 
your
post thoroughly.  I do not want a post like this taking up room in my mailbox. so if 
you
please write down your facts instea

Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[Hawk]

 -Caveat Lector-

YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> >You might consider that this gal is pulling your leg...
>
> Of course, such a story HAS to be a lie, doesn't it?

No it doesn't but then, maybe it is.. or maybe its exaggerated... But, it could be
the truth... What I said was "consider" ...

> There is no reason for me to suspect she was lying about this, as she was
> NOT the type to 'pull one's leg' over anything, let alone a subject of
> this magnitude...

However, you do suspect that anyone who reports a different experience is lying, unless
I misread your intent.

> Her husband, also from the South, related similar experiences...
>
> As have blacks of an older generation than their's...you see, I HAVE
> talked to more than one black person who grew up in the South...

That's good... perhaps in another 40 years or so, you will have talked to almost as
many as I have, considering I've lived in the South most of my life.

> >I'm not saying that she necessarily is lying,
>
> Sure you are...at least be honest about THAT...

Well, I guess your accusation is a bit more than "implied."  You, Sir, have no basis
upon which to accuse me of lying about anything.  If you know I any lie that I have
told, produce it, or retract your accusation...

> >but I have lived in the South my entire life and have never met anyone associated
> >with the KKK.
>
> I suppose you would like us to believe that the KKK doesn't even exist

If you want to believe something that isn't true, you certainly can.  I don't believe I
encouraged you to do so.  You seem to have a little difficulty separating fact from
fancy... You are a very imaginitive fellow, it appears.

> I suppose all those lynched blacks hung themselves

Not very likely... at least no more likely than the ones lynched in New York City and
other places outside the South.  I've often wondered, and you may be able to inform me,
just how many blacks have been lynched?  Do you have a state-by-state breakdown on
those numbers?  Is it something that was quite common in the South, but somehow it just
escaped my notice?

> >Have you bothered to check the Klan-watch reports of KKK activity... There are more
> KKK members in Ohio and Indiana than there are in the entire South, according to the
> avowed enemies of the KKK.  The northern and mid-western states have FAR MORE KKK
> members than the Southern states.
>
> That's not the point...the point of my statement was that these college-
> educated blacks -- who got their education at BLACK colleges, since they
> weren't 'allowed' to attend the white state colleges --

How old are these people?  I am 61 years old, and attended a state college with black
student, in the South.

> could not find employment in their field in the South, due to their skin color...

so they say There may be another side to that story... I am a mangement consultant
with over 500 client companies, most of which are in the south, and I specialize in
employment law... From my experience, capable and qualified black applicants are on
every manager's "wish list."

> they had to come North to gain employment in the field they'd gotten their
> degree in...

Yeah, OK... I'm glad they obtained gainful employment somewhere.

> >> I'm sure blacks were given equal opportunity to plant & clear fields --
> >> for someone else.  How many blacks OWNED this property they worked on...?
> >
> >I'd be interested in knowing those figures too... How many were there, June?
>
> That is what I'm asking

Do your own research.  I thought, on the basis of your question, that you had some
evidence that blacks were not allowed to own farms, or something.  I assure you that
any black person with the money to buy a farm would not have a lot of trouble finding a
willing seller of such properties.

> >How many blacks do you figure owned the northern factories they worked in?
>
> They at least had the opportunity to be shift supervisors and managers...
> or college professors in integrated colleges, managers of integrated
> businesses

Same here the North is not unique in that.

> >> How many blacks were allowed to take over important office and factory
> >> jobs, supervisory and managerial positions, when the 'able bodied men'
> >> (black men WEREN'T 'able bodied'?) were away at war?
> >
> >"Allowed to take over" ???  Are those jobs just "allotted" to folks, or do they
> >normally have to qualify for them?
>
> I was using the wording the previous poster had used, in stating that
> blacks were 'allowed' to work 'equally' with whites in the fields when
> 'all the able bodied men' were away at war...so I just wanted to know how
> many blacks also 'worked equally' with whites in positions of authority
> in the factories and offices, when the 'abled bodied men' who'd worked
> there were also off to war...

I couldn't answer that question... I will say that from about 1950 I worked at several
jobs where I had black super

[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] My Apologies

[RoadsEnd]

To All My Readers;

 It has been brought to my attention of a "Great Blunder" that I had
done in this past issue of WOTS...the main story line by John Quinn is a
repeat of last weeks issue...even though the other topics (articles are
different)

  I really have no excuse for the grave error I made, but during the
time I was setting this article and then receiving the changes, I must
have inadvertently the this part twice...

  Please accept my apologies, this won't happen again...

Sincerely

Louise

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[CTRL] Holy Insane Asylum, Chip! ::: High Tech Humor Etc.

[Hilary Thomas]

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>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: BZ Burnbridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: World Domination <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 1:57 AM
>Subject: Holy Insane Asylum, Chip! ::: High Tech Humor Etc.
>
>
>>ChipGate 98
>>***
>>
>>
>> API - Time Magazine reports an interesting case of high-tech graffiti.
>>
>> It seems that a couple of Intel engineers working on the design of a
>> recent version of the Pentium microprocessor included a message that
>> describes their feelings about Bill Gates, president of Microsoft, a
>> good corporate pal of Intel's.
>>
>>  When a portion of the Pentium chip is examined under a powerful
>> scanning electron microscope, the phrase "bill sux" is clearly visible,
>> etched into the surface of the chip.
>>
>>  The "flaw" in the chip was only discovered by accident well after the
>> chip was  released into the market, too late for Intel to prevent the
>> chip from being used in the manufacture of tens of thousands of PCs.
>>
>>  Intel says that both engineers responsible were former employees of
>> Motorola, makers of the chips that are the core of the Apple
>> Macintosh.
>>
>>  Both engineers have since been fired by Intel.
>>
>> Full picture in http://www.idt.mdh.se/kpt/billsux.jpg
>>
>>
>>*
>>
>>Sports Shorts
>>
>>
>>The National Science Foundation announced the following study
>>results on corporate America recreation preferences:
>>
>>1.  Sport of choice for maintenance level employees:  bowling.
>>
>>2.  Sport of choice for front line workers: football.
>>
>>3.  Sport of choice for supervisors:  baseball.
>>
>>4.  Sport of choice for middle management: tennis.
>>
>>5.  Sport of choice for corporate officers: golf.
>>
>>CONCLUSION:  The higher you are in the corporate structure, the
>>smaller your balls.
>>
>>
>>&&
>>
>>Dubious Distinctions
>>**
>>
>>The following is from the British Sunday Express giving Gongs (medals)
>>for dubious distinctions.
>>
>>Rubber Cushion
>>
>>To John Bloor, who mistook a tube of superglue for his hemorrhoid cream
>>and glued his buttocks together.
>>
>>Crimewatch Cup
>>
>>Gold star: To Henry Smith, arrested moments after returning home with a
>>stolen stereo. His error was having tattooed on his forehead in large
>>capital letters the words "Henry Smith".  His lawyer told the court: "My
>>client is not a very bright young man."
>>
>>Silver star:
>>
>>To Michael Robinson, who rang police to deliver a bomb threat, but became
>>so agitated about the mounting cost of the call that he began screaming
>>"Call me back!" and left his phone number.
>>
>>Bronze star:
>>
>>To Paul Monkton, who used as his getaway vehicle a van with his name and
>>phone number painted in foot-high letters on the side.
>>
>>British Cup
>>
>>To the passengers on a jam-packed train from Margate to Victoria, who
>>averted their eyes while John Henderson and Zoe D'Arcy engaged in oral
>>sex and then moved onto intercourse ... but complained when the pair lit
>>up post-coital cigarettes in a non-smoking compartment.
>>
>>Flying Cross
>>
>>To Percy the Pigeon, who flopped down exhausted in a Sheffield loft,
>>having beaten 1,000 rivals in a 500 mile race, and was immediately eaten
>>by a cat. Alas, the 90-minute delay resulting from finding his remains
>>and handing his ID tag to the judges relegated Percy from first to third
>>place.
>>
>>Lazarus Laurel
>>
>>To Julia Carson, who as her tearful family gathered round her coffin in
>>a New York funeral parlour, sat bolt upright and asked what the hell was
>>going on. Celebrations were short-lived, due to the fact that Mrs.Carson's
>>daughter, Julie, immediately dropped dead from shock.
>>
>>Silver Bullet
>>
>>To poacher Marino Malerba, who shot a stag standing above him on an
>>overhanging rock -- and was killed instantly when it fell on him.
>>
>>
>>&
>>
>>
>>Holy Insane Asylum, ClownBoy!
>>
>>A guy is walking past a big wooden fence at the insane asylum
>>and he hears all the residents inside chanting, "Thirteen!
>>Thirteen! Thirteen!"
>>
>>Quite curious about this, he finds a hole in the fence, and looks
>>in.  Someone inside pokes him in the eye.
>>
>>Then everyone inside the asylum starts chanting, "Fourteen!
>>Fourteen! Fourteen!"
>>
>>
>>%
>>
>>
>>Union Avoidance Training for Borders Manager
>>*
>>
>>Borders bookstore chain has been bothered of late by union activity.
>>As a result, Anne Kubek of their Human Resources Dept. prepared a manual
>>on "Union Awareness Training for Borders Managers." As a public service,
>>someone has been kind

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the American-Italian Connection, the fascist P-2 Lodge, Americares, and
the group's Central American operations. The article delineates some
extraordinarily unholy alliances, showing how church and state too often
work hand-in-hand to propagate fascism. $1.50

042 Their Will Be Done

by Martin Lee

Reporter Martin Lee takes a hard look at the relationship between the
CIA and the Vatican, paying particular attention to the Knights of
Malta. Among Lee's charges are that the CIA: (1) passed money to a large
number of priests and bishops, some of whom became witting CIA covert
operators; (2) employed undercover operatives to lobby members of the
Curia and spy on liberal churchmen on the pope's staff who challenged
the political assumptions of the U.S.; (3) prepared intelligence
briefings that accurately predicted the rise of liberation theology; and
(4) collaborated with right-wing Catholic groups to counter the actions
of progressive clerics in America. .80¢

029 The White House War
Against Martin Luther King

by Jeff Cohen

This excellent summary from The Rebel chronicles the FBI's racist war of
nerves against Martin Luther King, showing that orders to shadow and
discredit King came originally from the Kennedy White House and were
then expanded by LBJ after he and his pals had removed Kennedy. The
art

[CTRL] Fwd: Bad news on power grid

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Bad news on power grid
National Guard, FEMA plan
for major Y2K breakdowns



Editor's note: This is the third of a series of investigative reports
on National Guard planning for the Y2K millennium bug.




By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, the National Guard and other
federal agencies engaged in Y2K planning are now expecting loss of
electrical power and other related problems before the year 2000.
Nuclear power plants will begin to shut down in July, according to
government sources.

"As far as I'm concerned, the public has a right to know on this. It
isn't classified, so I'm not violating any rules that I see. I might
be hampering somebody's planning, but this needs to get out," an
officer from the National Guard Bureau in Washington told
WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview.

The officer, and several others who continue to provide information,
believe they will be reassigned or disciplined if their identity were
made known.

"Then I'd be out of the loop," said one.

The National Guard is planning COMEX/MOBEX, an exercise to practice a
full mobilization of all 480,000 members of the National Guard. It
will take place May 1 without the use of phones, television, or radio.
The exercise is planned to prepare for a possible mobilization in the
event computer failures from the Y2K bug cause major disruptions of
power, telecommunications, transportation and banking.

The officer believes the government should be warning people now
rather than later. He says there is still time to prepare if the
correct warnings are given. If people wait until the last minute, the
disaster and panic will be greater.

"The government is planning on keeping their yap shut," explained one
of the officers. "They will keep saying everything is fine. They don't
want the panic to begin before they are ready.

"If I was running the show, I'd tell everyone in July. I'd rather have
everything go to hell in a handbasket while it's warm and people
aren't running around looking for shelter, than in the middle of
winter."

Problems for the nation's power system will begin in July, right at
the time of highest demand for power because of long sunlight hours
and the need for air conditioning.

Not one nuclear power plant is Y2K compliant today, and there is
strong indication that they will not be compliant by the end of the
year. It takes at least four months to shut down a nuclear power
plant, and power is needed to do it.

"The NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) sent out a memo saying you
will shut down on July 1, 1999, unless you're compliant," explained
the officer. "That is 20 percent of the power grid, which is also
equivalent to our strategic reserve for power.

"It's also equivalent to 40 percent of all power generated east of the
Mississippi. So now you've got the power grid maxed out already
because the nukes are shut down, and if anything else goes wrong
that's it."

The National Guard believes the nation's power grid will collapse and
is making plans accordingly, according to the sources. Panic and wide
spread unrest are expected. Plans now call for a recall of all guard
members placing an average of 4,000 soldiers in each of the 120
largest cities. The COMEX/MOBEX exercise will simulate that recall
with the use of a special High Frequency radio system.

"They're going to be toast," said one of the officers who spoke to
WorldNetDaily over the weekend, speaking of the nation's power plants.


"The latest plan I've heard," said another, "is to break the power
grid into several hundred little grids. Right now it's one major grid
broken into four subgrids. If they don't break it into several hundred
little grids, in conjunction with the phone system not working
properly, they won't get their feedback mechanism right and they'll
burn up the lines."

It is expected that there will be rolling blackouts and brownouts of
power in the cities, with no power at all in rural areas. All
available power will be directed to cities with nothing left to send
to lower populations.

Coal-fired power plants are also faced with a significant problem.
Even if the power plants are Y2K compliant, which they are not says
the source, they still may not produce power.

"It takes a mile-long train per day to feed a coal fired power plant,"
the officer explained. "If the train system goes down, forget it. The
trains are going to work, but you won't be able to track anything.

"Say you're trying to get from St. Louis to Chicago, well you might
end up in Des Moines, because the switches aren't working properly. If
the switches go haywire you get derailments.

"Your average p

[CTRL] Steamshovel/The Latest Word: Letter from the UK

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from:
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/lword.htm
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/lword.htm">Letter from the UK
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The Latest Word:

A column not appearing in the newstand Steamshovel.

Letter from the UK

Robin Ramsay

Boys and their Toys 1


the mind-control conundrum continues
The mind control story remains impossible to evaluate.  Or it is if
it's done rationally and honestly.   Of course you can do what Alex
Constantine does in Virtual Government: CIA Mind Control Operations in
America (Feral Press, Portland, 1997): take the most difficult and
tendentious elements of the contemporary paranoid agenda - child abuse
(ritual and Satanic), alien abductions, mind control, cults and UFOs -
and attribute it all to the CIA without worrying over much about
evidence. It makes for an entertaining read but it isn't much help in
the long, slow business of persuading the wider world  that this is an
area they ought to look at.

There are three distinct but presumably related areas of activity.
One is the use of implants as receivers and/or  transmitters.  The
others are the broadcasting of voices - what has been called synthetic
telepathy - and the use of microwaves to influence behaviour.  All
seem to exist and the technology leading to them has been identified.
The patents researched (some have been reported in Lobster --see number
34 for examples), some in Nexus, some in Judy Walls' excellent
Resonance (684 C.R. 535, Sumterville, FL 33585; see number 33, for
example).  The technologies exist in an historical and operational
framework which makes both their development, trial on involuntary
subjects and eventual deployment not surprising. The opening sentence
of story in The Times (London) was: American and Norwegian hospitals
were involved in sterilisation experiments on the mentally retarded
over a 20-year period up to 1994.9 US and Norway used insane for
Nazi-style tests, The Times 29 April 1998. The bastard offspring of
Sid Gottlieb and MKULTRA are among us.


This year Oak Ridge National Laboratory issued an (undated) press
release on their programme developing so-called non-lethal weapons
which began in 1993, headed Physiological Responses Applicable to
Development of Less-Than-Lethal Weapons.  (At point the release
refers to Friendly Force!)  It describes three avenues being
developed based on known physiological responses to energetic
stimuli, including a thermal gun, a seizure gun and a magnetosphere
gun.


But this end of the subject is not yet intellectually respectable
enough for the major media and/or politicians to take an interest in
it. I mentioned this area recently to a friendly reporter on one of
Britain's major daily papers. "Oh, that," he said. "I've had letters
about that, mostly written in green ink."  The green ink touch was
probably an invention, a bit of baloney to convince me that the
letters' authors were crazies.  Press legend has it that crazies
always write in green or purple ink; but I've had my share of letters
from crazies and I haven't seen green or purple writing for at least a
decade.  But I took the hint and dropped the subject.


Since the major media won't touch this stuff yet, most of this is
happening in fringe magazines and especially on the Internet in
dialogue between the victims of these programmes trying to make sense
of their experiences.




Microwaves


The problem for the microwave victims is that of evidence: they can
produce none other than the first-hand reports of other individuals
and accounts of programs being run by this or that military body.
None of which would impress the legal mind.  The man who first
introduced me to this field, Harlan Girard, runs a group in the United
States, the International Committee on Offensive Microwave Weapons,
which recently tried to get a legal case going in the United States.
To quote from the judgement of Gladys Kessler, a judge in the US
District Court for the District of Columbia, the Committee charged
that many federal departments and agencies unlawfully conduct advanced
weapons research using human subjects without first obtaining their
consentthat the United States, through various federal agencies,
has unlawfully failed to promulgate regulations for the protection of
human subjects involved in classified research.seeks declaratory
and injunctive relief, as well as costs.

Judge Kessler rejected the suit on the grounds that the Committee
failed to establish standing to sue on behalf of its members, as
well as making claims that are too generalized and nonspecific to
support a complaint.


If the first objection could be overcome, the second still looks
insurmountable at present.


The most dramatic of the  microwaves effects are the voices in
the head.  Since sounds in the head were produced using microwaves by
Dr Alan Frey in 1962, this isn't terribly surprising.  But until
recently I had not seen anything like a plausible h

Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[Carlene M. Wojahn]

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
> >You might consider that this gal is pulling your leg...
>
> Of course, such a story HAS to be a lie, doesn't it?
>
> There is no reason for me to suspect she was lying about this, as she

-He said pulling your leg not lying...

>
> Her husband, also from the South, related similar experiences...

Have you stopped to look at the north...the KKK demonstrations there...Discrimination
is also up north...it is a human thing, not regional.
Did you know ..I have recently learned..that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free
any slaves up north ?

> Did you ever pay attention to where the draft riots existed...New York,
> Wisconsin, Illinois, ect.  Could some of these folk been leary about the blacks
> taking their jobs away from them when they got freed.  There are laws that were made
> forbidding the black person to come and settle in communities, as well as states..and
> the ones I am speaking of, the locations I am speaking of, is in the northern states.

> As have blacks of an older generation than their's...you see, I HAVE
> talked to more than one black person who grew up in the South...
>
> I suppose you would like us to believe that the KKK doesn't even
> exist

It exists...in the north and the south...as does discrimination.

>
>
> >Have you bothered to check the Klan-watch reports of KKK activity... There are more
> KKK members in Ohio and Indiana than there are in the entire South, according to the
> avowed enemies of the KKK.  The northern and mid-western states have FAR
> >MORE KKK members than the Southern states.
>
> That's not the point...

It should be one of them..discrimination exists nationally, as does prejudice.  The
more the government tries to interfere the worst these feelings become.oh I have
been where you are nowbut I looked around a little more, asked a few more
questions, and thought.  Thought of how I hate people telling me how I should feel
about things
/peoplethought of how if I was black I would get promoted because of the
"anit-discrimination laws on the books.  I have a brother..who applied for the airforce
academy, but was refused because he is white...he later went to another academy and
graduated with honors...in the top 2% of his class...don't talk to me about
discrimination.

> >> I'm sure blacks were given equal opportunity to plant & clear fields --> for
> someone else.  How many blacks OWNED this property they worked on...?

I was on that soap box once too...you have to listen...listen carefully to all
sources...it sounds like you already have your mind made up before you listen to anyone
elsewe have been told things by our teachers, newspapers that must be
questioned,..and whatever you read...must be questioned and requestioned.

>

>
> >
> >

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Fasting and feasting
B E I R U T


ASK a Muslim Arab for his favourite time of year and the odds are he
will say Ramadan. For, although the Koran’s injunction to let
nothing—neither food, water nor smoke—pass the lips in daylight hours is
taken seriously by most, so too is the celebration that accompanies the
breaking of the fast at dusk.

What with Christmas and the new year falling during the current month of
Ramadan, and the short winter days making the fasting less onerous than
sometimes, the people of the Middle East are now enjoying a convergence
of festivities they have not seen in 30 years. Throughout the region,
Arab bureaucrats’ notoriously short working days shrink yet further, as
hordes of office-workers hurtle home at sunset for the iftar, the first
of two special Ramadan meals. Traffic snarls up, and the queues at kebab
take-aways and Pizza Hut outlets suddenly double. By the time the
traditional cannons signal that it is safe to eat, the streets are
deserted and people are tucking into a lavish meal—often in
mock-Oriental tents.

Despite the fast, grocery sales tend to go up during Ramadan, thanks to
the evening feasts. Many Muslims admit to gaining weight during the
month; in the Gulf, doctors issue warnings against obesity. Electricity
consumption also rises, as the sated masses settle in front of Ramadan
specials on television, or flood out to the streets to shop, eats snacks
and promenade.

The conservative emirates of the Gulf enforce the fast the most
stringently. Most have laws prohibiting people eating, drinking or
smoking in public during the day. Foreigners caught breaking the rules
find themselves slapped with fines or even prison sentences. Kuwaiti
members of parliament have called for temporary bans on supposedly
irreligious forms of entertainment, such as belly-dancing. They have
even mooted a moratorium on female attendants on the national airline.
And clerics, like their Christian counterparts at Christmas, routinely
rail against the commercialisation of a season originally intended as a
time of self-denial.

In most of the Levant and North Africa, there is no penalty save
embarrassment for breaking the fast. So some savvy café-owners paper
over their windows to let the less devout enjoy a cup of coffee or a
sandwich away from disapproving eyes. In Beirut, the Arab world’s most
liberal city, people sit sipping beer in street cafés in the Muslim half
of town as the observant stride past, eyes averted.

In Cairo, Christmas lights merge with Ramadan lanterns, but Beirut, with
its large Christian population, takes this ecumenical spirit to
extremes. One Muslim talks about sitting down on December 24th to a
“Christmas iftar”; others gather for family snapshots in front of a
Christmas tree during their evening Ramadan strolls. Even in Beirut,
however, some barriers still remain: on the line between the Christian
and Muslim halves of the city, the seasonal lights change from cherubs
and Christmas trees to stars and candles.

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BioTech

Same Sex Parenting on the Way

Virgin Birth

LONDON -- Scientists are developing a genetic technique that could
remove the biological barriers preventing same-sex parenting in mammals,
the Sunday Times reported here.
The newspaper said in its Internet edition that an American team
believed it might be just two years away from creating a healthy mouse
with all its chromosomes from the female line -- normally half come from
the father, half from the mother.

The technology, which involves nuclear transfer methods and is
fundamentally different from cloning, would remove the biological
barriers that prevent same-sex parenting in mammals.

It will surely revive concerns that science is creating "unnatural" ways
in which people can conceive and bring up children.

The work on mice is being led by Dr Rudolf Jaenisch at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology in the US, who aims to overcome the genetic
barrier that prevents mammals -- alone in the animal kingdom -- from
producing the young from an unfertilised egg, which can occur naturally
in reptiles and amphibians.

The process is called parthenogenesis. The problem is thought to be due
to the unique way mammalian DNA functions, where some vital genes
inherited from one parent are chemically gagged while those from the
opposite sex are able to work as normal.

Previous attempts to tinker with this system, known as "imprinting",
have resulted in grossly deformed offspring, but Dr Jaenisch's
experiments with mice so far have led him to believe it might be
possible to remove all the chemical gags in one go without any harmful
effects.

The DNA from one treated egg could then be inserted into the nucleus of
another, applying the nuclear transfer methods used in cloning to create
a viable embryo ready for implanting in the womb.

Dr Jaenisch intends his mouse to take both sets of its chromosomes from
a single mother but he said it would be just as easy if they came from
two separate females.

"If parthenogenesis works, then so will using two eggs -- there is no
significant difference between them," he said.

While some scientists were sceptical about the potential success of the
research, Prof Laurence Hurst of Bath University said it was probably
only a matter of time before solutions were found. "The rate at which
genetics is getting increasingly competent is astonishing, so I doubt
there will be many technical hurdles."

The American team's work on mice is certain to be followed by other
scientists keen to develop the techniques for use on humans.

Dr Jaenisch believes that the research would take about two years. "If
this is the correct principle and if the mice were completely viable, it
would be a spectacular result," he was quoted as saying in the Sunday
Times.

But some experts have warned that this sort of research might end up
producing children with abnormalities that appeared in later life.

"We seem to be getting to the stage where researchers are allowed to do
what they want without anyone asking why," said Dr Richard Nicholson,
editor of the Bulletin of Medical Ethics.

The Straits Times, Jan. 11, 1999


Impeached POTUS

Report: Clinton Did Not Father Child by Black Prostitute

Primary Colors: switch the DNA

GENETIC evidence has proved that President Clinton is not the father of
a 13-year-old boy, despite the claims of his mother, a black prostitute,
it was reported at the weekend.
The blood sample supplied by Danny Williams has been compared to the
President's DNA and there is no similarity. A source at the Star
magazine, the supermarket tabloid that paid Danny and his mother Bobbie
Ann Williams for the samples, said the match was "not even close".

It removes an embarrassing side-show that posed unpredictable dangers to
Mr Clinton. While the White House may breathe a sigh of relief, the
collapse of the scandal does not affect the President's impeachment
trial in the Senate. If Danny had proved to be his son, it would have
added to the record of Mr Clinton's past.

It might have prompted senators to turn up their noses even more than
before in dealing with him. But it had no direct bearing on his guilt or
innocence of perjury and obstruction charges.

Time magazine's website reported that the Star, responsible for
revealing the most scandalous and salacious details of the President's
past, had come up empty handed in the latest search of what would have
been its most sensational story.

The Star paid genetic experts to compare Danny's DNA with the
characteristics of Mr Clinton's genetic profile, already revealed in
evidence supplied to Congress by Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel.


Mr Clinton had been forced to provide the DNA to test whether he was
responsible for a semen stain found on a blue cocktail dress belonging
to Monica Lewinsky,

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   Michigan news briefs

   January 11, 1999

   KALAMAZOO

   Militia member's trial starts today

   The marijuana plants Randy Graham is
   accused of growing at his home in
   Springfield, near Battle Creek, were
   one aspect of a violent
   antigovernment plot, according to
   federal prosecutors.

   The government contends the
   41-year-old man planned to use the
   profits from pot sales to finance a
   militia conspiracy to blow up federal
   buildings and threaten federal
   officials with assault and murder.

   Jury selection in Graham's trial on
   drug and conspiracy charges is to
   begin today in U.S. District Court in
   Kalamazoo.

   Graham, a member of the North
   American Militia, has denied
   wrongdoing. He faces up to 30 years
   in prisonif convicted.

   A federal jury in November convicted
   Bradford Metcalf, 47, of Olivet on
   conspiracy and weapons charges in the
   same case. A third defendant, Ken
   Carter, 47, of Battle Creek is
   cooperating with prosecutors in
   exchange for leniency when he is
   sentenced.

   Prosecutors likely will use much of
   the evidence in the Metcalf case
   against Graham, including FBI tapes
   of conversations among the
   defendants.

   Last month, District Judge Richard
   Enslen threw out statements Graham
   made to investigators after Graham
   told the judge he had been too ill
   and "bummed out" to understand the
   legal consequences of his actions.
   But the judge rejected Graham's plea
   to quash evidence taken from his home
   and pickup truck.

   Federal prosecutors contend Metcalf,
   Graham and Carter were "potential
   domestic terrorists" with the
   firepower to make good on their
   alleged hatred for the government.

   "They had a training compound, an
   arsenal ...and the hatred," Assistant
   U.S. Attorney Lloyd Meyer said in
   April. "They were locked, loaded and
   ready to go."

   By the Associated Press

   RICHMOND TOWNSHIP

   Chemical fumes overcome teen

   A Macomb County teenager was overcome
   by fumes Sunday evening while trying
   to make a bottle bomb.

   Sheriff's Department Lt. James Cowan
   said the 17-year-old was at home on
   School Section Road in Richmond
   Township with seven young relatives
   when he tried to use bleach and other
   chemicals to make the device.

   Deputies were called at 6:45 p.m.
   Cowan said the boy, who apparently
   made the bomb just out of curiosity,
   was treated and released from Mt.
   Clemens General Hospital.

   He said bottle bombs have become a
   serious public safety issue. "When
   they explode, they can actually take
   a person's arm off," Cowan said.

   By Cecil Angel

   DETROIT

   Shooting death is a mystery

   Police said Sunday they had no
   motives or suspects in the fatal
   shooting of a 29-year-old Detroit man
   in the parking lot of a Marathon gas
   station on the city's northwest side.

   The man, whose name was not released
   by authorities, had finished shopping
   at the station about 6:45 p.m.
   Saturday and was entering his vehicle
   when the gunfire erupted, police
   said. The station is at Braile and 7
   Mile, west of Evergreen.

   The man was shot several times and
   died at Grace Hospital, police said.

   By David Migoya

   BRIEFLY

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   Bands of Odaw

[CTRL] Fwd: FC: The End of the World, from Time Magazine

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Time Magazine's cover story this week is Millennium Madness. (January 18,
1998)

My contributions to the cover story include the federal government and Y2K,
the history of millennialism, the reaction of religious groups, and Y2K
activism.

You can read the article in full at:

  http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/reports/millennium/end_world.html

   C O V E R
   Counting Down to Armageddon: This is going to
   be a bad year for paranoids. The Y2K computer
   glitch is bound to cause problems, but will it be, as
   the doomsayers proclaim, the end of the world as
   we know it?

You can see some of my previous Time Magazine articles on subjects
including Y2K at:
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[CTRL] "formation flying" and contrails

[Lyn McCloskey]

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Hey.  Sorry I don't have time to read for detail but only general
content.  But someone asked re the above topic:


"Is such formation-flying consistent with commercial-pilot
practice (which airport officials claim to be the case)?"


The answer is:  Hell *NO!*  In fact, I would love to see an
official quote of these airport officals who are saying this.
Does anyone have it?  If so, please send it to me personally
since I'm getting CTRL in digest mode and will probably overlook
it.

I am a pilot and I or any other one will tell you that commercial
aircraft NEVER fly in formation.  Formation flying is done only
at airshows or perhaps more casually by a few private pilots,
but never, never commercially.  Commercial flights are governed
by IFR or instrument flight rules and must travel on specifically
defined air routes at a specifically defined range of altitudes.
These routes are plainly visible on any flight chart (a.k.a.
"map").  These "victor" airways are basically straight lines
of flight between cities.  More technically, we use "waypoints"
and "intersections" which are imaginary points in space used
for navigation between airports.  Although of course airways
cross each other, they aren't in a grid pattern and commercial
flights make it a point to keep as much time and space between
their plane and the next one as possible.

- Lynda

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[CTRL] Fwd: THE SCOOP: A Bookstore Bigger Than Norway

[RoadsEnd]

THE SCOOP for January 11, 1998
___

Disney Rescues Our Children, A Bookstore Bigger Than Norway,
A Dole/Newt Bailout Update, & Rehnquist's Fringe Activity
© 1999 Bob Harris
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So Disney pulled 3,400,000 copies of [The Rescuers] off the shelves
because of some mystery smut they wouldn't identify.

Fear not, friends, your intrepid reporter is on the case.

Geez, will anybody [ever] learn that censoring something is the fastest
way to get people to want to see it?  Apparently not.  Like last year,
the Insane Clown Posse put out a lousy album no one paid any attention
to -- until it got censored by the label, then all of a sudden a
mediocre rap group has this cachet of the forbidden like they're
Alexander Solzenitzhen's writing from a Soviet gulag.

Well, here we go again.  Disney says there's something dirty in the [The
Rescuers], but they won't say what.  And now all anybody wants to know
is, OK, what's so awful that they're willing to spend millions of
dollars to cover it up?

Well, people, I'm not gonna let you down.

Here you go: 38 minutes into the film, while Bernard and Bianca are
flying around town, there are windows in city buildings going by in the
background.  If you advance frame-by frame, you'll see two frames where
one of the windows contains a tiny, distant picture of a nude woman who
is visible from the waist up.

Apparently somebody in post-production thought it was funny, although
opinions differ as to exactly when the images were inserted.

You can see the frames for yourself at the Urban Legends Reference Pages
at http://snopes.simplenet.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm.
  
Anyhow, it's completely invisible at full speed, you can't tell who the
woman is, she's not doing anything remotely obscene or gratuitous, and
absolutely none of you would have any idea it's there if Disney hadn't
called such attention to it.

So two points:

#1 censorship doesn't usually work too well, and more importantly

#2, what's so obscene about a nude female body?  Since when do children
of breast-feeding age have to be protected from the image of... breasts?

Excuse me, but the Disney corporation's attitude seems like what our
kids really ought to be protected from.

___

Priced any internet stocks lately?  This isn't just a speculative
bubble.  If Richard Branson's balloon was this large, he'd be all the
way to Morocco by now.

What's more valuable?  The bookseller Amazon.com, which has yet to show
a dollar in profit and is dwarfed in several respects by several of its
competitors, or the country of Norway?

You guessed it.

Do the math, folks, and according to the speculators now ruling the
casino on Wall Street, the market capitalization of Amazon.com now
exceeds that of the entire stock market of Norway.

Does that sound reasonable to you?  It gets better.

Suppose for a second that Amazon.com had a complete monopoly on every
book sold in the United States.  According to [Barron's], the stock is
still priced at [fifty times] the hypothetical earnings.  Which means
Amazon.com is now worth five to ten times what it would be worth if it
sold every single book in America.

Are we getting close to a crash?  Oh, possibly.  That hissing sound you
hear might just be the airbag getting ready to inflate.

Calling the exact timing of market movements is considered almost
impossible, but two of the most powerful indicators of an impending
downturn are

a) the opinions of investment newsletters, and
b) the ratio of people buying call options, (a high-risk, high-reward
way of betting the market's about to go up quickly) to those buying puts
(a similar bet on an impending drop).

Both of these groups are notoriously wrong, so when you see all the
newsletters going positive, or you see twice as many calls being bought
than puts, that's usually a good time to start looking for the exits.

Last week, [Barron's] reported what they termed a "buying panic" in call
options, and the investment newsletters were more bullish than they've
been in seven years.

Uh-oh.

This is just one guy's opinion here, so take my advice at your own risk
-- it could be weeks before a downturn, or even months -- but remember
the last time I was this amused by stock overvaluations was literally
days before last summer's big pullback (radio edition of The Scoop,
broadcast on KNX 1070 AM in Los Angeles 7/11/98).

So do your own thinking.  Norway, Amazon.  Amazon, Norway.  Hmm...

I don't want to alarm anyone out there, but... RUN!!!

___

Updating earlier stories:

In May 1997, this space (along with Mother Jones, which rules) pointed
out the odd coincidence between the $300,000 Bob Dole fronted to bail
Newt Gingrich's more photogenic end out of his Ethics Committee penalty
for lying, and the $300,000 Dole received a few days earlier as a
signing bonus to begin working for t

Re: [CTRL] Two Republicans To Be "Larry Flynted"

[Brown, Jeremy]

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The only complaint I have about Flynt, is that he should not have made a
cameo appearance in the movie about his life! I mean, we're going along,
nice and smoothly, right? Lot's of booty, Courtney Love's flouncing around
in skimpy outfits. Then we get to the courtroom scene, and FLYNT'S PLAYING
THE JUDGE WHAT is up with THAT??? With that paralyzed, stroke-ridden
mushmouthed voice he starts droning on:

"Misshter Flynt. Tshat kind ufun outbursht ish not ascheptabble!

GIMME A FREAKIN' BREAK, PEOPLE

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> Flynt's
> fault.  I can buy his rationale that Christ was right when He said, "Let
> he
> who is without sin cast the first stone."  I wish I had the money to make
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> overlook
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Re: [CTRL] Y2K: The Coming Storm

[Stopforth, Jamie]

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  The Millenium Meltdown by Grant R. Jeffrey... Have a friend that's read it
and he says it's great... Grant is extremely knowledgeable on many issues,
Y2K is one of them.   I'd suggest this book.



>>>Hello all, since I don't research that much and have posted very
little
> I am wondering if any of the members here could answer a question for
> me. I happen to see an interesting program on the INSP network tonite
> and the topic was "Y2K: The Coming Storm". It told a lot of what has
> already been posted on here and showed a couple of clips of Clinton
> speaking to a group about the y2k bug that I have never seen on the
> national news. It also advertised three different books on the subject
> and that is what I would like to know if they are any good and worth
> reading. The names of the books are: Planet Earth, The Final Chapter by
> Hal LindseyJan. 1, 2000, The Day The World Shuts Down by Morris
> Cerrullo...and the 3. The Millenium Meltdown by Grant R. Jeffrey. I
> would like to have some opinions on these to know if they are worth
> buying..Rock<<<
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Re: [CTRL] Two Republicans To Be "Larry Flynted"

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In a message dated 1/10/99 8:25:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< Flynt is a stinking lousy scumbag. >>

Why do you say that?  I don't know a lot about Larry Flynt, and I don't read
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fault.  I can buy his rationale that Christ was right when He said, "Let he
who is without sin cast the first stone."  I wish I had the money to make
Flynt's offer.  There is something really scummy about people who can overlook
their own sins whle decrying someone else's behavior.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly

[Gerald Harp]

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Tom J. Wright
A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary
January 1-January 15, 1999

Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly:
Somebody Stop Them Before They Kill Again


"Brains you know, are suspect in the Republican Party."

--Walter Lippmann,  famous American political commentator, December 14, 1974


"Indeed there are some Republicans I would trust with anything-anything, that
is, except public office."

--Adlai Stevenson, Jr. during a Presidential campaign speech in Springfield,
Illinois, August 14, 1952



Although overshadowed lately by MonicaGate, the brutal beating and killing
of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, shocked the nation and
disgusted people around the world.  The barbarity of the murderers, who tied
Matthew Shepard to a fence and beat him to death with the butts of their guns,
was stunning.

This vicious murder was motivated in large part, perhaps entirely, by the
radical homophobia of the two men who killed him.  Matthew Shepard lost his
life simply because he was gay.

Many other instances of homophobic acts of violence, here in the United
States especially,  have occurred as well.  Also, hate crimes in general are
on the rise across the country.  An obvious question arises:  Why has
homophobic violence, and many other kinds of hate crimes, been rising so
dramatically?  And why have the intensity and ferocity of that violence become
so extreme?

The increase in hate crimes is a direct result of the increase in hate
rhetoric.  And we all know who the masters of hate are:  the hard core
Republican right wing.  These lunatics spew out hate the way an open sewer
spews out raw sewage.

Here are just a few disgusting examples of Republicans at work:
Conservative New York radio commentator Bob Grant once said, on the air to
millions of listeners, that he wished that police had machine-gunned New York
City's gay pride marchers during a 1994 parade.  Grant also told one
disaffected listener of his show, who was angry about one minority or another,
to "Well, get a gun and go do something, then."

Republican Senator Trent Lott called homosexuality a "disease", like
kleptomania.   Radical Republican conservative Congressman Dick Armey called
fellow Congressman Barney Frank, "Barney Fag", then claimed it was a slip of
the tongue.  Right wing nutcase and Republican party BigWig Pat Robertson
stated that Disney World in Orlando, Florida would be struck by some
catastrophe because it didn't properly discriminate against gay people the way
he does.

The list goes on and on.  The Republican Party has turned hate and
scapegoating and fearmongering into a science.  It's what they are good at
doing.  It's what they do best.  And boy, are they proud of it.

But so far, no one has forced conservatives to take responsibility for
their hate rhetoric.  This certainly includes the media, which of course is
itself mostly right wing.  How else do you think sick bastards like the
aforementioned Bob Grant, Hitler-wannabee Pat Buchanan, the loony Nixonite G.
Gordon Liddy, and all of their right wing clones throughout the country, ever
get on the air?  It ain't accidental, folks.

Well, it is time for the American People to hold the Republicans, and
their mouthpieces in the media, personally accountable for their outrageous
scapegoating, inflammatory rhetoric, manipulative scare tactics, and the
violence that inevitably follows.  These spewers of hate must be stopped
before they kill again.

But we have to act quickly, because make no mistake about it, the
Republican Party is a very dangerous organization, full of hubris, hyper-
conservative dementia, and a ton of $$money$$.  This ill-begotten monster was
born with the rise to power of that famous loon Ronald "Bedtime For Bonzo"
Reagan, and it's been growing ever since.

The best way to stop it and these people behind it, is to vote the
Republican Party out of office.  And out of existence.  Like the Whigs of
yesteryear, it is time for the Republican Party to die.  It is too infested
with fanatics to be saved.  Just put the thing out of its misery, for God's
sake.  That will leave us with the Corporate Democrats on the right,
Progressives on the center left, and Libertarians somewhere in between.

Also, a sincere letter of apology, signed by conservatives everywhere,
should be promptly submitted to the American People, and put on display in
Washington D.C.  The display will serve to remind potential hatemongers
everywhere that they will endure Great Pain, Suffering, and Humiliation, if
they ever again attempt such crude tactics.

Not only that, if the likes of Bob Grant or his ilk ever openly encourage
violence against innocent citizens again, and said violence occurs, then the
District Attorney of the county in which the incitement to violence was made,
should promptly prosecute them as criminals, for aiding and abetting a crime.

You won't believe how quickly these cowardly

[CTRL] Ready For Pope potato Chips?

[MARK]

 -Caveat Lector-

Personally I'm waiting for a Papal "Soap on a rope"

"POPE ON A ROPE" if you will.


MARK

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Ready For Pope Potato Chips?]

[MARK]

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Nah, I think Papal "Soap on a Rope", - "Pope on a Rope" if you will.

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Re: [CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans - 3

[Bill Kingsbury]

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  from:  http://www.sightings.com/ufo/flubber.htm
 --
SIGHTINGS
 --

   Military Conducting Biological Warfare in Washington
   Air Force General Threatens Local Resident
"Not to Connect the Dots"

 From Anita Sands
 12-12-97

 In August of 1994, a bizarre sequence of events began to occur
 in the small town of Oakville, Washington.  Gelatinous blobs
 of biological material began to rain down over an area of over
 20 square miles during a storm.  It would happen six times in
 1994, and continue periodically thereafter.  The latest was
 during the third week of June 1997.

 The fact that this was going on would not generally be known
 outside of Oakville until an episode of Unsolved Mysteries on
 Thursday, May 8, 1997, hosted by Robert Stack: (9 min, 36
 seconds)

 (Introduction, Robert Stack):

 "It came from the skies to wreck havoc on the earth.  It
 sounds like a bad science fiction movie, but for the little
 town in Washington there was nothing entertaining about the
 scourge that befell them in 1994.  Six times it rained down
 from above, leaving dozens of local residents ill, and several
 pets and small animals dead."

 "It all happened in Oakville, Washington, population 665.
 Here in Oakville, clouds fill the skies daily, bringing rain
 some 275 days a year.  So, when it began pouring on the
 morning of August 7, 1994, no one was particularly concerned
 -- until they realized it wasn't raining rain.  It was raining
 tiny blobs of gelatinous goo.  It came down in torrents,
 blanketing 20 square miles, and brought with it something of a
 plague."

 Maurice Gobeil (local resident): "I got sick, my wife got
 sick, my daughter got sick and everybody that lived here got
 sick."

 Beverly Roberts (local resident): "Everybody in the whole
 town came down with something like the flu, only it was a
 really hard flu that lasted from seven weeks to two or three
 months."

 Robert Stack: "The local police were among the first to report
 the perplexing precipitation.  Officer David Lacey was on
 patrol with a civilian friend at 3am when the downpour began."

 David Lacey (police officer): "We turned our windshield wipers
 on, and it just started smearing to the point where we could
 almost not see.  We both looked at each other and we said 'gee
 this isn't right'.  We're out in the middle of nowhere,
 basically, and where did this come from?"

 Robert Stack: "Officer Lacey pulled into a gas station to
 de-goo his windshield.  As an added precaution, he put on a
 pair of latex gloves."

 David Lacey (police officer): "The substance was very mushy,
 almost like if you had jello in your hand.  You know, you
 could pretty much squish it through your fingers.  We knew it
 wasn't something we would normally see, because we had never
 experienced it before.  We had some bells go off in our heads
 that said that basically 'this isn't right, this isn't normal."

 Robert Stack: "Local resident Dotty Hearn was equally baffled.
 By the time she stepped outside that morning, the storm had
 ended, but the blobs were everywhere. "

 Dotty Hearn (local resident): "It looked like hail, laying on
 top of the wood box and everywhere else, so I just went over
 and I touched it.  It wasn't hail.  It was a gelatinous
 material."

 Robert Stack: "By mid-afternoon, officer Lacey had
 inexplicably taken ill."

 David Lacey (police officer): "I was to the point where I
 could hardly breathe.  I started to put together that possibly
 whatever the substance was, it had made me violently sick and
 ill like I had never been before, to the point where it just
 totally shut me down."

 Robert Stack: "Across town, Dotty Hearn wasn't fairing much
 better."

 Dotty Hearn (local resident): "I started feeling dizzy, and
 everything started moving around.  It got worse, and as it did
 I became increasingly nauseated.

 Robert Stack: "An hour later, Dotty's daughter and son found
 her sprawled on the bathroom floor."

 Sunny Barclift: "She was cold, drenched with perspiration and
 pale.  My mom had been vomiting, had extreme vertigo and had
 been complaining that she had extreme difficulty with her
 vision.

 Robert Stack: "Dotty would spend the next three days in the
 hospital.  They diagnosed her with "a severe inner ear
 infection."

 Sunny: "For some reason, as we were going out the door, I
 remembered the substance, and I wondered if perhaps it might
 have had some sort of effect on her.  So, I opted at that
 moment to take a sample of the gelatinous material to the
 hospital."

 Robert Stack: "A lab technician found the first startling
 clue.  The substance contained human white blood cells, but
 exactly what it was could not be determined.  The goo was
 promptly forwarded to the Washington Sta

Re: [CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans - 4

[Bill Kingsbury]

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 News: alt.conspiracy
 From: Jerry Newport <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: ? (about 1-1-99)
 Subj: Airforce Spraying Public With Chemicals


 LINES IN THE SKY ARE IDENTIFIED!!  SAMPLES Are ANALYZED!!!

 The lab director of Aqua-tech Environmental using samples taken
 from JP-8 contaminated fields of Maryland and Pennsylvania,
 reported today (9/18/97) that ethylene dibromide, otherwise known
 as EDB, has been the contaminate in the fuel and water samples
 taken of submitted by farmers, pilots and tanker drivers. EDB is
 one of the most tightly controlled EPA substances and was banned in
 1983 due to its carcinogenieity. EDB is a pesticide that apparently
 is being placed in the jet fuel and dispersed on a daily, almost
 non-stop basis in our skies. The lines filling our skies are not
 contrails. The lines are dispersed and may linger for hours, slowly
 filtering down to unsuspecting pests, and I guess we're the PESTS.

 Water samples are contaminated with EDB and crops are dying. EDB is
 just one more avenue for the NWO folks to starve us to death and
 make us ill by weakening our already compromised immune systems.
 Exposure to this toxic chemical may lead to cancer, liver and
 kidney damage, pulmonary edema, damage to a developing fetus and
 reproductive organs of both men and women. Let's not forget that
 the chemical may also cause sterility. Doesn't that fit into their
 plan for population control? They have really found the perfect
 chemical.

 EDB is a carcinogen and a mutagen that may also cause eye and skin
 irritation, cardiopulmonary arrest, and binds to DNA. Skin blisters
 and respiratory failure are other conditions caused by ethylene
 dibromide. The conditions are too numerous to list but this will
 give you an idea of problems caused by this chemical. EDB is a
 carcinogen at any exposure level and humans are more susceptible
 than animals to the acute toxic affects. This does not mean that it
 will not kill animals. We have reports from California and Wyoming
 of the birds dying.

 Ethylene dibromide was used in leaded gasoline until 1983 to remove
 lead from engines and was found in engine exhaust This chemical is
 a heavy liquid with a chloroform-like odor that becomes a gas at
 temperatures greater than 40 degrees F. The higher the temperature
 it is dispersed at the more toxic It becomes, therefore dispersing
 from a jet would be ideal, The compound is stable, meaning it does
 not easily decompose. .This would account for the substance staying
 in the sky for long periods of time. EDB is only slightly soluble
 in water, but dissolves easily in organic solvents. JP-8 Is
 considered an organic solvent. A water sample from rain would be an
 excellent way to verify contamination and a fuel sample so much the
 better.

 Please note that EDB is a colorless liquid, with a sweet odor,
 however no smell does not mean you are not being exposed.
 Substances are also added that counteract the smell. Pilots please
 note that dispersing JP-8, along with these toxic chemicals is
 killing people. You are not counteracting any type of biological
 that has been spread, or any antidote of anytype.

 REPOST FREELY

 We now have proof that our goverment is using chemical agents on
 populated areas they are adding it to military jet fuel.

 Have you ever looked up at a vapor trail behind military aircraft
 flying so high a symbol of Americas power. Look again!!

 Commerical jets also leave a lovely (non-toxic) vapor trail when
 the heat from the turbines come in contact with the cool air
 condencing the water droplets into steam. Softly the lines defuse
 into the blue sky . So what is different about the military
 aircraft, the answer is simple, It's the Fuel JP-8+100 is some
 really bad stuff.

 When you look up over the skys of New York City on a clear, sunny
 morning you see the military aircraft making patterens across the
 sky with their vapor trails. The smoke is thick and does not go
 away. When it comes in contact with the sunlight it turns to a
 purple color, then desipates into a over cast Purple Haze.

 So what is this Purple Haze, A fuel sample of JP-8+100 was taken to
 an independent lab (NON GOVERMENT FUNDED) and broken down.

 The sample revealed Two toxic substances.

 1. Ethlyene Di Bromide

 2. Zinc Cloride

 1. EDB attacks the Liver , Lungs , and Skin. causeing liver damage,
 Lung and skin Cancer.

 2. Don't know the affects of Zinc Cloride yet.  also EDB lowers the
 immune system by depleteing the body of B vitamins and zinc. answer
 to problem, use a B Complex vitamin and Zinc.

 I wonder how these chemicals react with ( MTBE ) Methyl tert Butyl
 Ether, that is added to the gas that is used in you families car.

 It's bad enough they screw around with the Water but now the Air.
 Whats next Bottled Air! this whole thing stinks of a Goverment
 DePopulation Program.


  50 USC [U.S. Code], Sec. 1520 Jan. 16, 1996

  TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND

Re: [CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans - 2

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: SafanNews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998
 Subj: SAFAN NO. 1151.  Lines in the Sky or Lungs??

STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW!!!
  SAFAN Internet Newsletter, NO. 1151, Apr. 4, 1998

 LINES IN THE SKY OR LUNGS??
 by Joe 6pk Burton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  4/3/98

 Last week my wife and I had the pleasure of meeting another great
 Patriot in Kingsport, TN.  Friends of ours had heard Tommy on the
 radio speaking about the sample he had obtained falling from the
 contrails.  They gave us his eMail address and I made contact with
 him and we have been communicating for the last month or so prior
 to our meeting.

 As we drove over for the meeting, I watched for the area where I
 had seen a Harrier sit down in the woods a year prior.  I gave the
 most likely area to him in an effort for us to pinpoint yet another
 secret base in that area.  Tommy has also witnessed the black chops
 running in silent mode in his area as well.

 We exchanged some documentation we each had.  He pulled out
 pictures of a substance that had fallen from contrails taken under
 magnification at a lab.  In the pictures of these stringy globules,
 you can clearly see from a layman's perspective, knots or nodules,
 possibly microbes included in the mass.  He described the matter as
 clear to gray and said as he touched it with something, it would
 begin breaking up.  He was quick thinking enough to place the
 remaining substance in the freezer for preservation prior to taking
 it to a lab.  The substance is as yet unidentified.

 He was kind enough to allow my wife to take some of the pictures to
 a copy machine nearby.  I would encourage anyone in the affected
 areas where this frequent spraying or contrail cloud forming occurs
 to do the following if you are able:  Go to your local state
 environmental agency or lab and obtain clean containers for
 gathering samples.  Any uncontaminated samples gathered should be
 frozen and then transported in a clean cooler to a private lab for
 further analysis.  Information gained should be shared among all of
 us in an effort to get to the bottom of this phenomena.  I am
 certain it is no accident that the illness rates in the affected
 areas have been so high.  It is obvious we are breathing these
 substances in and/or being contaminated by water or outside
 contact.

 Also we need to find out if our Counties have granted permission
 for biological testing under Title 50 United States Code.  We
 should be raising cain with our local politricksters.  For added
 effect, contact your local TV meteorologist and ask why they are
 not reporting the difference between government military made
 clouds, (i.e. contrails from KC135's supertankers etc.) and those
 made by God's natural handiwork.  There is a BIG difference !!

 Last week some other fine Patriots from Pennsylvania, Fred & Sandra
 Ehrlich were kind enough to send me 2 videos of this contrail
 phenomena.  They are titled The Spraying of America 1 and 2.  The
 first deals with spraying (contrails) in San Diego, California in
 95 & 96 and the second is more recent in PA & Maryland.  For copies
 of these videos their fax # is (717) 235-8762 and the great part
 is: they only charge a nominal fee to cover cost.  I will be
 ordering additional material from their vast library.  I thank
 these fine Patriots for what they are doing to get the word out!
 I will be forwarding them some of my film when I get it transferred
 from 8mm to VHS.

 Just after viewing these two films, my wife & I were watching the
 movie remake of "the Little Rascals" (something I seldom do) and lo
 and behold in a near closing scene under a big tree, they meet to
 accept Alfalfa back into the club.  Over the tree you can see a
 couple of large contrails.  I estimate the film was shot
 approximately 4 years ago, so this is something that has been
 silently going on for some time now.  On many occasions I have seen
 it in commercials, as well as live shots on TV news.

 Since I spend a lot of time out in the field doing recon,
 researching, investigating, as well as running a list, it leaves me
 with very little time for writing in depth articles such as this.
 The following will be a mismash, if you will, of recent events.
 Some things I cannot go into detail for security reasons and some
 things due to time constraints.  I do however want to keep you
 abreast of what is going on.

 I recently approached and spoke with a pilot of one of the black
 choppers.  He readily admitted flying one and was inquisitive as to
 what my concerns were.  I told him of the UN having them, as well
 as other agencies and I gave him a brief run down as to what is
 going on in our country.  I said, "Let me give you a heads up.
 This is making all of you guy's look bad in the eyes of all of us
 who are awake and know what is going on in this country."  His eyes
 dropped to the floor momentarily and he looked back up at me and
 said sadly, "I kno

[CTRL] Norris Acoustical Hetrodyne Effect

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: "Project Duat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999
 Subj: Amargiland/Project Duat Update - Jan 10, 1999

 

 Norris Acoustical Hetrodyne Effect

 Project Duat's broadcasts result in a manifestation of sound
 as if that sound comes from nowhere.  In other words, sound
 straight from thin air;  you can hear sound all around you
 but you cannot see any speakers.  Music from the sky,
 so-to-speak.

 Many write me and say that such an idea is just not
 possible.  Although quite different from our system, the
 following is a press release from the American Technology
 Corporation describing their new technology involving 'sound
 from nowhere'.  Our system is completely psychotronic, and
 involves the natural energy network of the planet, a.k.a.
 the "earthgrid".  But to at least show that sound technology
 is changing, I offer you this:

 (San Diego, California -- July 24, 1996) - American
 Technology Corporation (OTC: ATCO) announced today that it
 has filed patents on an innovative new sound reproduction
 technology.  This technology scientifically named the Norris
 Acoustical Hetrodyne Effect, is an entirely new method of
 creating sound -- for the first time, sound is generated in
 air directly -- without the  need for any loudspeakers.

 Company representatives emphasized that this new technology
 creates sound in a totally unconventional manner unlike
 traditional loudspeaker concepts which have not changed for
 60 years.  No direct audible sound is radiated into the air,
 rather, the Norris system employs innovative new concepts to
 acoustically mix ultrasonic waves to create new waves that
 can be heard as sound "in mid-air."  Audible sound is
 generated indirectly through a conversion process that takes
 place within directed ultrasonic energy waves.  The
 technology has the startling effect of having sound appear
 in mid-air.

 Mr. Robert Putnam, president, stated "American Technology is
 extremely fortunate to have Elwood Norris, inventor of the
 Norris Acoustical Hetrodyne technology, leading its research
 and development activities.  Norris is a prolific inventor
 responsible for the development of an ultrasonic doppler
 device which evolved into today's Sonogram.  His audio
 related inventions include a linear tracking tone arm, a
 cordless microphone, miniature radios, headset devices and
 audio cue circuitry.  He also has been a pioneer in digital
 recording technology and his innovative products have
 received national awards in recent years.

 With this remarkable invention Norris has defined a new
 paradigm in sound reproduction that we believe will obsolete
 existing speakers thereby revolutionizing sound
 reproduction.  This technology is not merely a new or
 revamped surround sound system or a digital amplifying or
 mixing technique, all of which employ traditional
 loudspeakers at the end of the chain.  We believe this
 invention is a milestone in the history of sound and
 acoustics.

 We have successfully completed our proof-of-concept
 prototype of this exciting new technology and are now
 preparing for industry and media demonstrations.  With this
 new technique for generating sound, the quality of sound is
 no longer limited by size as it is with conventional
 speakers.  Most forms of distortion are eliminated and our
 testing indicates virtually perfect sound reproduction
 across the entire audible frequency band and beyond.

 Multiple speaker systems with their cross-over networks and
 enclosures are expected to become irrelevant.  The cost of
 products that will utilize this technology is expected to be
 competitive with conventional speaker systems, depending
 upon configuration.  Most importantly, the quality of sound,
 its deep bass and wide dynamic range will make the most
 discriminating audiophile sit up and take notice."

 American Technology Corporation (OTC: ATCO) is a San Diego-
 based electronics company specializing in the development,
 manufacture and marketing of leading-edge proprietary
 electronic products and technologies.  For more information
 on the Company and its products visit the Company website at
 http://www.atcsd.com.


 


 Amargi Hillier

 Acoustic Earthgrid Engineer
 Director, PROJECT DUAT - Giza, Egypt
 "And the trumpet shall be blown, so all those that are
 in the heavens and all those that are in the earth shall
 swoon" - Holy Qur'an  Surah XXXIX 68
 c o n t a c t   i n f o :
 EGYPT, Giza/Cairo Base - TEL: (20-2) 3859394
 USA, California Base - TEL: (310) 2895478
 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 URL: http://www.projectduat.com/

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Re: [CTRL] Contrails Mystify, Sicken Americans - 1

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 From: chang-colvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997
 Subj: [CTRL] Mystery Goop

 I have a little to add on this mystery goop.  I live in Seattle.
 Last night on the news, there was a story about this clear goo that
 fell from the sky near Seattle (in Everett, WA).  It looked like
 clear jello. They had very clear closeup footage of it.  It sounds
 just like the goo that was reported to have been dropped, by the
 military, on a Washington town a few months ago, which made
 everyone in that town sick (I forget the name of the town right
 now, maybe someone can help me here).  Also on last night's news
 was an extended article about the rash of flu and colds that have
 hit the area, and how to "keep yourself healthy."  Myself and many
 of my friends have been hit with this bug.  It has lasted almost
 two weeks, and it includes diarrhea, headaches, fatigue, and mucous
 congestion. It is very suspicious, particularly because it seems to
 last much longer than a regular cold.

 -Scabby


 
 Henry Ayre wrote:

 Forwarded from SNETNEWS

 This is interesting.  Completely  unverified, but very interesting.

 

 Anyone remember the piece on "Unsolved Mysteries", and the post I
 posted here describing the same incident?  Only instead of clear
 jelly blobs being pooped down on people, this is like spider web
 filaments.

 -_-_-_

 DEAD MAN WALKING
 by...The Dead Man

 A BlackOps Reporter Special Report
 
 ---

 BIOLOGICAL WARFARE...OR JUST A TEST...

 Deposition of a Dead Man

 October 15, 1997

 As I stepped outside my workplace on my way to my vehicle, I was
 thinking the usual, too nice a day to be stuck inside... It was
 roughly 1:30 p.m. central time.

 I looked up in sky to the south-east as something caught my
 attention, a large pattern of unusual jet contrails. I say unusual
 because it was very obvious that these were of military origin. At
 the highest altitude was an almost perfect circular contrail, which
 of course being familiar with Air Force activity, would indicate
 the presence of an A.W.A.C. practicing guidance and monitoring of
 the dog-fight like activity just below. The lower contrails
 appeared to be created by roughly five to seven different aircraft,
 making sharp turns and steep dives and climbs.  Now, to the average
 person, sights like these are quite uncommon...So I went straight
 home and grabbed my camcorder.

 Going out to the porch and setting up my tri-pod, I realized
 something very strange was also occurring. Looking up towards the
 contrails, as far as the eye could see, was an extremely fine
 substance floating down from the exact location of the contrails.
 Quickly, locating my binoculars, I could see this angle-hair like
 substance floating down in a direct trail from the aircraft
 activity above. I taped what I could quickly, of this material
 floating gently down, and drove to some friends to see what their
 opinion was and to what degree this material was covering. About 1
 mile to the south of my home people driving on the interstate
 highway claimed it to be so thick that it appeared similar to snow
 flurries drifting across the road. Myself and several friends
 decided to carefully collect specimens.

 Not certain what course to take from here, and being careful not to
 jump to conclusions, I compared this material to spiderwebs,
 because that is exactly what it looked like. Some of it had "balled
 up" so the collection and comparison was quite easy. Doing the
 basic comparison tests, immulsion, heat, and basic chemical
 reaction, the "angel-hair" always reacted differently than the
 actual spider webs.

 Not wanting to sound paranoid or alarmist, the only thing left to
 do was either pass it off, or obtain a professional analysis of the
 material, to confirmation that it may be some harmless military
 application used in evasive maneuvers, such as a radar absorbent
 material.

 The first phone call I made was to the Ft. Smith Arkansas regional
 airport (F.A.A.) tower. The person here was anything but helpful
 and actually "dis-imformative". As he stated he knew nothing of the
 air traffic that I was describing to him, but yet made comments
 that they were in fact controlling "some" of the traffic. How can
 you control something you know nothing about is beyond me. He did
 however refer me to "Memphis Central" and "Dallas Ft. Worth" F.A.A.
 control centers that were in direct operations with the air traffic.

 These two locations were very helpful and not aprehensious about
 revealing any information at all. In an attempt to discover the
 possible identity of the material, I just related to them that I
 wasn't alarmed, but owned a small acreage of hay ground that this
 stuff was now covering and that some of my hay was sold to the
 owners of purebred race horses.  Being extremely careful with 

[CTRL] US destroys commercial hemp in Nicaragua -- Hemp competes w/Oil!

[Lloyd Miller]

 -Caveat Lector-

[endsecrecy.com] Fw: US destroys commercial hemp in Nicaragua By David
Crockett Williams @lightspeed.net Sunday
January 10
1999
11:08 PM PST


The CIA-Drug connection is mentioned inside.
[forwarded from Katalyst]Hold your friggin' hats, guys.  Reality IS stranger
than
  fiction, but never have I seen a better example of the  inherently
dysfunctional nature of the drug war than this.

Don't read the headline, and think you know what's to comein this piece.
There's a glaring HUGE and INEXCUSABLE role
  of the US intelligence community indicated within this text.  I'll make a
note within, so you won't miss it.




3. SPECIAL REPORT:  Canadian Citizens, Investors Busted for
   Hemp to Help Nicaraguan Hurricane Victims

NOTE TO OUR READERS:  This first-person account from DonWirthshafter of the
Ohio Hempery reached our desk today.  We
present it here in its entirety.  The Week Online will cover
  this international story as it unfolds.

A story is breaking in Nicaragua that should reach the worldstage  soon.  I
just returned from trying to turn around an
ugly situation, but left without visible results.  I hope
  some fair treatment in the U.S. and Canadian media can do  some good.

The story starts with a group of Canadian investors whowanted to do some
good for Nicaragua.  Bankers, builders and
  merchants got together and incorporated Hemp Agro
International with offices in Vancouver, Toronto andManagua.  Their website
(http://www.hempagro.com) describes
  their project and development they hoped to bring to the  tropics.

Nicaragua stagnates in the aftermath of series of naturaldisasters and a
U.S. financed civil war.  If there was ever
  a place to demonstrate industrial hemp's utility forsustainable economic
development, Nicaragua is it.  Hemp
  Agro planted 100 acres of Chinese hempseed and hired a full-  time
professional botanist to supervise a crop improvementprogram.  The company
envisioned growing a series of
  hempseed crops, pressing the seeds for oil, making products  from hemp oil
and utilizing the stalks for particleboard.  The project was dependent on
their developing an improved  tropical variety of seed hemp, something not
being attempted  anywhere else in the world.

The project took on additional significance in the aftermathof Hurricane
Mitch.  Tens of thousands of homes need to be
replaced.  The relief agencies had a choice, cut down
  thousands of acres of trees for building materials or  accelerate the
building of the hempstalk particleboard mill.  Most of the traditional crops
suffered heavy damage during  the storm, Hemp Agro's crop withstood the
winds and rain.  Fifty employees were busy harvesting bags full of hemp seed
and building a mountain of hemp stalks.

That's when a U.S. DEA agent went ballistic.  One day before  Christmas, it
caused an army of black hooded soldiers tomove in and occupy the field.
Each posed for their picture
  in front of the large signboard that marked the "Hemp Agro  Nicaragua,
S.A. Research and Development Site" (see
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/archivo/1998/diciembre/24-diciembre-1998/nac
ional/nacional10.html).(This and the following links are in Spanish.  For
those who
  do not speak Spanish, paste these URL's into
 for arough translation
into English.)  Then they began the long
  task of gathering the crop in piles and setting them on fire
(http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/archivo/1998/diciembre/26-diciembre-1998/).

Dr. Paul Wylie, the Canadian horticulturist who was hired by  the group to
supervise the project, was feeling prettysatisfied with his work in
Nicaragua.  His employees were
busy harvesting their first crop of seeds.  He had learned
quite a bit about growing hemp in the tropics.  Christmas
  was approaching and the harvesting would have to stop forthe holidays.
Dr. Wylie was in a taxi on his way back from
the bank with the payroll for his 50 workers.  A black car
tried to force them off the road.  A couple of motorcycles
approached.  Both Wylie and his driver thought they were
being robbed.  The driver started to head up on the curb to
get away when bullets began tearing up the cab.  Wylie and
  the driver were terrified until their attackers finallyidentified
themselves as police.  Wylie thought his troubles
  were over, but they were just beginning.

Wylie was arrested and taken to the brig.  The same prison  that former
dictator, Anastasio Somoza, used for his worstpolitical enemies.  A perfect
movie set for an 1850's
western, except it's an historic military base.  Perched on
the rim of the volcano, it's got an incredible view.  Only
  the prisoners can't see a thing, they are kept in dungeons  underground.

In Nicaragua, you are considered guilty until proveninnocent.  Forget the
right to counsel, forget the right to
remain silent, this is not America.  In the aftermath of his
  arrest, ten days of hearings took place on the case, only  Wylie h

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)]

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote:
>--and the north treated them with respect?  The South had farms  The North had
>Manufacturing.

And professional positions not open to them in the south...


>It may help to remember that the North, after winning the Civil
>war did not free their slaves as they forced the South to.  And Lincoln had no
>intentions of freeing the slaves until he needed an issue to keep France and Spain
>out of the war.  You remember that part don't you?

I know very well that Lincoln was not 'The Great Emancipator' that
history has made him out to be...and I also know that the Emancipation
Proclamation was made to keep ENGLAND from entering the war on the side
of the Confederacy, NOT France and Spain...France and Spain had no overt
interest in the war, while England was extremely dependent on the cotton
imported from the American South...


>> 1. I don't know why you say black men were not able bodied;

_I_ didn't...YOU seemed to imply it in your statement...

You also didn't answer my question regarding how many blacks got
positions of importance in the factories and offices, positions vacated
by able-bodied white men who were off to war...


>> 2.  None of the folks (including whites) who lived in Claxton were capable of
>> supervising or managing a factory;and

So the only thing you can state with any authority is what you observed
as a very young child who was a member of a race which had more
privileges than those of the black race, processed thru a child's
perspective, and limited to a very specific (and not normal) era,
and a small geographical area which was not necessarily indicative of the
South as a whole...


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[CTRL] Fw: TURMEL: TRAGDY AND HOPE Chapters V-VIII

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-Original Message-
From: John Turmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups:
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Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 5:45 AM
Subject: TURMEL: TRAGDY AND HOPE Chapters V-VIII



TRAGEDY AND HOPE Chapters V-VIII
by Dr. Carroll Quigley
ISBN 0913022-14-4

CONTENTS

I. INTRODUCTION: WESTERN CIVILIZATION IN ITS WORLD SETTING
II. WESTERN CIVILIZATION TO 1914
III. THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE TO 1917
IV. THE BUFFER FRINGE
V. THE FIRST WORLD WAR
VI. THE VERSAILLES SYSTEM AND RETURN TO NORMALCY 1919-1929
VII. FINANCE, COMMERCIAL POLICY AND BUSINESS ACTIVITY 1897-1947
VIII. INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM AND THE SOVIET CHALLENGE
IX. GERMANY FROM KAISER TO HITLER 1913-1945
X. BRITAIN: THE BACKGROUND TO APPEASEMENT 1900-1939
XI. CHANGING ECONOMIC PATTERNS
XII. THE POLICY OF APPEASEMENT 1931-1936
XIII. THE DISRUPTION OF EUROPE
XIV. WORLD WAR II: THE TIDE OF AGGRESSION 1939-1941
XV. WORLD WAR II: THE EBB OF AGGRESSION 1941-1945
XVI. THE NEW AGE
XVII. NUCLEAR RIVALRY AND COLD WAR, AMERICAN NUCLEAR SUPERIORITY
1950-1957
XVIII. NUCLEAR RIVALRY AND COLD WAR, RACE FOR THE H-BOMB 1950-1957
XIX. THE NEW ERA
XX. TRAGEDY AND HOPE: THE FUTURE IN PERSPECTIVE

CHAPTER V: THE FIRST WORLD WAR

THE GROWTH OF INTERNATIONAL TENSIONS 1871-1914

Page 249
 Four chief reasons have been given for the intervention of the
United States in World War I.
1) to secure "freedom of the seas" from German submarine attacks;
2)British propaganda;
3) a conspiracy by international bankers and munitions manufacturers
either to protect their loans to the Entente Powers or their wartime
profits from sales to these Powers;
4) Balance of Power principles to prevent Great Britain from being
defeated by Germany

Page 250
 The fact that German submarines were acting in retaliation for
the illegal British blockades of the continent of Europe and British
violations of  international law and neutral rights on the high seas.
 Britain was close to defeat in April 1917 and on that basis the
United States entered the war. The unconscious assumption by American
leaders that an Entente victory was inevitable was at the bottom of
their failure to enforce the same rules of  neutrality and
international law against Britain as against Germany. They constantly
assumed that British violations of these rules could be compensated
with monetary damages while German violations of these rules
must be resisted by force if necessary. Since they could not admit
this unconscious assumption or publicly defend the legitimate basis of
international power politics on which it rested, they finally went to
war on an excuse which was legally weak, "the assertion of a right to
protect belligerent ships on which Americans saw fit to travel and the
treatment of armed belligerent merchantmen as peaceful vessels. Both
assumptions were contrary to  reason and to settled law and no other
professed neutral advanced them."
 The Germans at first tried to use the established rules of
international law regarding destruction of merchant vessels. This
proved so dangerous because the British instructions to merchant ships
to attack submarines. American protests reached a peak when the
Lusitania was sunk in 1915. The Lusitania was a British merchant
vessel constructed as an auxiliary cruiser carrying a  cargo of 2,400
cases of rifle cartridges and 1250 cases of shrapnel with orders to
attack German submarines whenever possible. The incompetence of the
acting captain contributed to the heavy loss of life as did also a
mysterious second explosion after the German torpedo struck. The
captain was on course he had orders to avoid; he was running at
reduced speed, he had an inexperienced  crew; the portholes had been
left open; the lifeboats had not been swung out; and no  lifeboat
drills had been held.

Page 251
 The propaganda agencies of the Entente Powers made full use of
the occasion. The Times of London announced that 80% were citizens of
the US (actually 15.6%); the British manufactured and distributed a
medal which they pretended had been awarded to the submarine crew by
the German government; a French paper published a picture of the
crowds in Berlin at the outbreak of war in 1914 as a picture of
Germans "rejoicing" at the news of the sinking of the Lusitania.
 The US protested violently against the submarine warfare while
brushing aside German arguments based on the British blockade. It was
so irreconcilable in these protests that Germany sent Wilson a note
which promised that "in the future merchant vessels within and without
the war zone shall not be sunk without warning and without
safeguarding human lives unless these ships try to escape or offer
resistance. In return, the German government hoped that the US would
put pressure on Britain to follow the established rules of
international law in regard to blockade and freedom of the sea. Wilson
refused to do so. It became clear to the Germa

[CTRL] Iraqiana: 01-11

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : Middle East : Iraq

UNSCOM-CIA revelations show how the American people were lied to about Iraq

Comment by Martin McLaughlin
9 January, 1999

Press reports over the past week have confirmed that the United Nations
Special Commission (UNSCOM), the agency charged with carrying out weapons
inspections in Iraq, has functioned as an instrument of US intelligence
operations aimed at overthrowing or assassinating Saddam Hussein.

Articles in the Boston Globe, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the
Wall Street Journal and other publications have provided many details about
the spying activities carried out by US agents working under UNSCOM cover.
These agents installed electronic equipment at UNSCOM's facilities in
Baghdad, which allowed them to monitor secret communications by Iraq's
Special Republican Guards and Special Security Organization. These
encrypted communications were relayed by satellite to the US National
Security Agency at Fort Meade, Maryland, which analyzed the conversations
to collect information on the movements of Saddam Hussein and other top
Iraqi officials. Some of this information was used in the targeting for
last month's US-British bombing raids on Iraq.

These revelations completely contradict the picture of US-Iraq relations
which has been presented by successive US governments and by the daily
newspapers and television networks in the eight years since the Persian
Gulf war. The American people have been lied to, not once or twice, but
repeatedly and on a grand scale.

The American public was told that Iraq was a "rogue state" threatening the
world, which had to be subjected to an unprecedented regime of weapons
inspection to insure that it carried out the demands of the United Nations
that it dismantle its stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological
weapons and its facilities for building such "weapons of mass destruction."
In reality, most such weapons and facilities were destroyed in the gulf war
and the remnants were disposed of within a few months. Subsequent years of
inspections have not produced any evidence that Iraq either possesses more
such weapons or is in the process of producing them.

Iraqi officials bitterly protested the activities of UNSCOM, declaring that
its personnel were intelligence agents working for the United States,
Britain and Israel and that its activities were aimed, not at weapons
monitoring, but at overthrowing the government of Iraq. These charges have
now been confirmed, not only in the American press, but in the statements
of Clinton administration officials, who have conceded that US intelligence
agents worked undercover at UNSCOM and that data collected by UNSCOM was
passed on to the intelligence services of--the United States, Britain and
Israel!

Iraq's alleged refusal to cooperate fully with UNSCOM was used repeatedly
by the Clinton administration as the pretext to justify continuing the
trade embargo, enforced by US and British military forces, which has
wrecked the Iraqi economy and caused the premature deaths of as many as a
million people, the majority of them children. The latest revelations
demonstrate that the Iraqi government was resisting, not demands for
weapons inspections, but demands that it expose the innermost workings of
its military and intelligence commands to agents of its bitterest enemies,
to which no sovereign state could agree.

The exposure of American spying under UN cover is an indictment, not merely
of the US intelligence services, but of the entire media and political
establishment in the United States, which has uncritically parroted the
lies and propaganda of the CIA and NSA. The daily newspapers and television
networks played the role of cheerleaders for a confrontation with Iraq,
criticizing the Clinton administration only for being insufficiently
bellicose and postponing the much desired bombing of Baghdad.

In specific cases the role of the press went beyond even that of echoing
war propaganda. The Washington Post has admitted that it was in possession
of key details of the US spy operation in Baghdad last October, but
deliberately withheld them at the request of the CIA. This was not in order
to keep the operation secret from the Iraqis--they were shouting about the
CIA's role in UNSCOM from the rooftops. It was to keep the operation secret
from the American people, so that they could continue to be deluded by
Pentagon and CIA propaganda.

The UNSCOM-CIA revelations are a powerful vindication of the analysis made
by the World Socialist Web Site throughout 1998. During the February
crisis, when US military action was only forestalled by Kofi Annan's trip
to Baghdad, the WSWS denounced the provocative role of UNSCOM. One item
posted February 17 carried the headline "Inspectors or spies--is there a
difference?" and noted press reports about the "unpublicized assistance" to
UNSCOM from the American CIA and NSA.

In August, when UNSCOM inspector and 

Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>> Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
>
>Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from the era 
>indicate
>that such was the situation, or that those who were living at the time believed it to 
>be
>so

Documents which you fail to give titles for, let alone quote...


>> As a matter of FACT, Unitarianism is NOT prevalant here in the
>> Northeast...Unitarianism isn't even Christianity...
>
>I have no idea what is prevalant in the northeast now...

The same religions that have ALWAYS been prevalent...


>I said that  religion in the north was "heavily influenced" by Unitarian
>thought...

Religion in the North was 'heavily influenced' by the original Puritan
colonists, and the conservative Protestant religions I previously
mentioned...


>If I were to say that the opinions of Marx influenced the northeast, or
>that Napoleon's tactics influenced the Confederacy, it would not be the
>same as saying the North
>was Communist and the South was French.  OK?

Which means you admit that your statement is meaninless drivel...


>You may be aware of any number of facts of which I am unaware...

Then why do you continue to post your PERSONAL OPINION and PREJUDICES as
if they were FACTS?

Jerry praises you for your 'documentation', but yet I've never seen you
provide one iota of documentation...and in fact your private opinions
posted as 'fact' have been roundly refuted by actual facts time and time
again...


>If so, say what's on your mind.

I already have, but I'll repeat it:  You are an idiot who posts his
personal opinion and prejudices as if they were a matter of fact, without
providing a shred of documentation; and when you're obvious fallacies are
pointed out by documented facts, you turn around and start calling those
who provide FACTS to counter your prejudices any variety of names.



>But if you continue with your beligerant posts, I am going to start
>responding in kind...

If DOCUMENTED FACTS are considered 'beligerant' by you, so be it...


>and I guarantee you, I am meaner than you are,

Don't bet on it...


>So how 'bout you just lighten up a little bit, and be respectful...

Again, if pointing out that you are posting personal opinion and
prejudice as if they were 'facts' is considered 'disrespectful', so be
it...I will NOT cease to point out your obvious errors...

I personally feel your agenda is to disrupt this list in any manner that
you can, and that you're just looking for an excuse to start up again.

I will go on record as stating that I for one do NOT welcome you back.

June

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[CTRL] Pinochet: 01-10

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : South & Central America

What the Pinochet affair shows about Britain

By Chris Marsden and Julie Hyland
9 January, 1999

When lawyers representing the former Chilean dictator, General Augusto
Pinochet, return to the House of Lords on January 18, seeking to uphold the
October 28 High Court verdict granting him "sovereign immunity" from
prosecution, they will do so with the backing of substantial layers of the
British establishment.

The Conservative opposition, big business, the Church of England and much
of the British press have rallied to the general's defence. Former Tory
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has been the most vocal advocate of his
release. In a letter to the Times, the Baroness wrote that the general "was
a good friend to this country" and warned that any interference in "Chile's
transition to democracy" would be "at our peril". When Home Secretary Jack
Straw gave Spain's extradition warrant authority to proceed, she declared
that Pinochet's release was in "the national interests of both Chile and
Britain".

Pinochet came to power in 1973 in a military coup that had been prepared
through years of subversion in collaboration with the US intelligence
agencies. He overthrew the democratically elected government of Prime
Minister Salvador Allende's Socialist Party. Then began a systematic
campaign of terror in which tens of thousands of his left-wing opponents in
the Socialist Party, Communist Party and other radical groups,
intellectuals, workers and peasants were rounded up, held in concentration
camps, tortured and killed. Later the notorious Operation Condor was
mounted, during which Pinochet collaborated with other Latin American
dictatorships--such as Brazil and Argentina--to hunt down refugees, kidnap
and murder them. His victims included Britons, Americans and other foreign
nationals and his crimes extended as far as Washington, the site of the
assassination of Allende's Minister of Defense and Foreign Affairs, Orlando
Letelier.

Despite this, Thatcher and company have not felt it necessary to make any
apology whatsoever for their defence of this despot, nor to make even a
gesture towards the revulsion felt by millions at these crimes. Her
position can be summed up in one sentence: "What do you expect?" The
implications of this should be carefully considered. Can anyone doubt,
based on Thatcher's own words, that, had the British ruling class at any
time felt threatened to the same degree as their Chilean counterparts, they
would have been prepared to act in a similar manner?

Britain has a long history of support for dictatorships in other countries,
and even installing a few of its own. It should be remembered that
substantial layers of Britain's elite supported an alliance with Hitler
prior to World War II, while more recently it functioned as a major backer
of regimes like that of Suharto in Indonesia. Only when its own foreign
policy interests are served, as in the demand for the prosecution of Serb
leader Slobodan Milosevic or Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, does the
ruling class recover its democratic sensibilities. Whenever its interests
have been seriously challenged at home, it has not been bound by democratic
norms when dealing with its opponents.

Within this context, however, there is a particular significance to the
British establishment's open defence of Pinochet. Thatcher, and those who
benefited from her policies, have come to the general's defence because
they saw his victory in Chile as a key strategic question. The years from
1968 through to the mid-1970s saw a series of explosive class struggles
throughout the world. Beginning with the French general strike, a strike
wave swept through the European countries of Germany, Italy and Britain
itself. This militant upsurge produced the collapse of military/fascist
dictatorships in Portugal and Greece, while the United States was the scene
of workers' struggles, civil unrest and mass protest against the Vietnam
War.

Faced with a very real possibility of social revolution, not just in Latin
America but also in Europe, Pinochet's British supporters argue that his
actions were necessary to defend the country from the "Marxist threat".
They cite as justification for Pinochet's release the fact that, as a
former head of state, he should enjoy "sovereign immunity" for his actions.
The former dictator's legal defence also argued in court that mass murder
conducted for political, rather than racial, motives is not genocide.

There was none more forthright in sanctioning Pinochet's coup at the time
than the British government. The Tory administration of Edward Heath was
one of the first to recognise the military junta. In January 1974, two
top-level delegations representing the Chilean dictatorship visited Britain
for secret discussions with the government. One month later a delegation of
Chile's air force officers met with aircraft manufacturers in London to
discuss spee

[CTRL] Steele

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment

Starr indicts recalcitrant witness Julie Hiatt Steele

By Barry Grey
9 January, 1999

Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's January 7 indictment of Julie Hiatt
Steele is a flagrant example of prosecutorial abuse, but it is only the
latest in a long string of attempts to use indictment or the threat of
indictment to terrorize and punish witnesses who refuse to provide the
testimony demanded by Starr and his gang of prosecutors.

The four-count indictment was handed down by Starr's grand jury in
Alexandria, Virginia. It alleges three counts of obstruction of justice and
one count of making false statements, charges which carry a maximum
sentence of 35 years in prison.

Steele, 52, became the target of intense legal harassment by Starr's office
when she submitted an affidavit in the Paula Jones sexual harassment suit,
and subsequently gave testimony before Starr's grand juries in Washington
and Virginia, that undermined charges against Clinton made by her one-time
friend, Kathleen Willey.

In August of 1997 Willey told Newsweek magazine that President Clinton had
made an unwanted sexual advance during a meeting in the White House in
November of 1993. Julie Hiatt Steele had initially told the Newsweek
reporter, Michael Isikoff, that Willey confided in her about Clinton's
alleged misbehavior at the time. But she quickly recanted that story,
telling Isikoff that she had been asked by Willey to lie, so as to back up
Willey's charges.

Steele has since then steadfastly held to her second version of events,
insisting that Willey never told her about an untoward incident with
Clinton in 1993. This has created problems for Starr, who would like to
charge Clinton with perjury in relation to his denials of Willey's
allegations. It has also angered Republican Congressmen intent on removing
Clinton from office, who want to pile Willey's charges on top of the
salacious details of Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

This week's indictment is the culmination of months of threats and
intimidation by Starr's office against Steele. She has been dragged before
grand juries in both Virginia and Washington. Her daughter and brother, as
well as a former lawyer and an accountant, have been questioned by a Starr
grand jury. She has been forced to turn over her tax records, bank records,
credit reports and telephone records to Starr's investigators. Starr's
henchmen even threatened to investigate the legality of the procedures
Steele used to adopt her eight-year-old child.

The most ominous and chilling aspect of the indictment against Steele is
the fact that it cites as one example of "obstruction of justice" her
appearance on the "Larry King Live" television program, where she refuted
Kathleen Willey's story. With this citation, Starr is asserting that an
individual can be prosecuted for obstructing justice for statements that he
or she makes on a public news program.

This is a frontal attack, not only on the rights of Julie Hiatt Steele, but
on democratic rights as a whole. If Steele can be indicted for public
statements that conflict with the agenda of a prosecutor, then others can
find themselves in similar circumstances. By Starr's logic, any public
assertion that conflicts with his office, or challenges the propriety of
his methods, can be deemed a criminal offense that warrants prosecution.

The indictment substantiates a warning which the World Socialist Web Site
has been making since the onset of the Monica Lewinsky investigation: that
the Starr probe, both in its methods and political motivations, raises the
specter of a police state. The systematic abuse of civil liberties and
democratic rights which has characterized the Starr investigation provides
an indication of the type of governmental regime his political allies in
the impeachment drive are aiming for.

The probe is, in the first place, an enormous intrusion of the state into a
private, legal relationship between two adults. It represents an attempt to
criminalize personal, sexual matters.

It has involved repeated attacks on freedom of speech and freedom of the
press, including hauling Clinton administration aides before the grand jury
and threatening to indict them for obstruction of justice because they
publicly criticized the Office of Independent Counsel and exposed prior
legal abuses by some of its staff. It has also included subpoenaing the
records of bookstores to snoop on the reading habits of targeted
individuals.

It has employed sweeping attacks on civil liberties. Another recalcitrant
witness, Susan McDougal, was jailed for 18 months on contempt charges for
refusing to provide Starr with incriminating evidence against Clinton. She
still faces prosecution at Starr's hands. Former Clinton administration
official Webster Hubbell, who has likewise refused to provide evidence
against Clinton, has been indicted three times by Starr.

Other witnesses in Arkansa

Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
>You might consider that this gal is pulling your leg...

Of course, such a story HAS to be a lie, doesn't it?

There is no reason for me to suspect she was lying about this, as she was
NOT the type to 'pull one's leg' over anything, let alone a subject of
this magnitude...

Her husband, also from the South, related similar experiences...

As have blacks of an older generation than their's...you see, I HAVE
talked to more than one black person who grew up in the South...


>I'm not saying that she necessarily is lying,

Sure you are...at least be honest about THAT...


>but I have
>lived in the South my entire life and have never met anyone associated
>with the KKK.

I suppose you would like us to believe that the KKK doesn't even
exist

I suppose all those lynched blacks hung themselves


>Have you bothered to check the Klan-watch reports of KKK activity... There are
>more KKK members in Ohio and Indiana than there are in the entire South, according
>to the avowed enemies of the KKK.  The northern and mid-western states have FAR
>MORE KKK members than the Southern states.

That's not the point...the point of my statement was that these college-
educated blacks -- who got their education at BLACK colleges, since they
weren't 'allowed' to attend the white state colleges -- could not find
employment in their field in the South, due to their skin color...they
had to come North to gain employment in the field they'd gotten their
degree in...


>> I'm sure blacks were given equal opportunity to plant & clear fields --
>> for someone else.  How many blacks OWNED this property they worked on...?
>
>I'd be interested in knowing those figures too... How many were there, June?

That is what I'm asking


>How
>many blacks do you figure owned the northern factories they worked in?

They at least had the opportunity to be shift supervisors and managers...
or college professors in integrated colleges, managers of integrated
businesses


>> How many blacks were allowed to take over important office and factory
>> jobs, supervisory and managerial positions, when the 'able bodied men'
>> (black men WEREN'T 'able bodied'?) were away at war?
>
>"Allowed to take over" ???  Are those jobs just "allotted" to folks, or do they
>normally have to qualify for them?

I was using the wording the previous poster had used, in stating that
blacks were 'allowed' to work 'equally' with whites in the fields when
'all the able bodied men' were away at war...so I just wanted to know how
many blacks also 'worked equally' with whites in positions of authority
in the factories and offices, when the 'abled bodied men' who'd worked
there were also off to war...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Slavery (was: Stampeding Bison)

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Just a couple more comments on this thread from me:  (1) I would have to
>concur with Hawk's post in substance. I've only met one admitted Klan member
>personally but I know they are around. although impotent. We did have a
>nationally publicized shoot out here about 20 years ago between the Klan and
>Socialists and there are true horror stories, but don't buy into rhetoric from
>"pop stars" like Mia Angelo (I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings).  I don't think
>anyone would pay any attention to her if she hadn't read an awful poem at
>Clinton's 1992 Inagural.

Au contraireMaya Angelou (at least learn how to correctly spell her
name) has been around for decades, and was well known in literary circles
way before Clinton had her at his inaugeration


>Duke University pays her a tenured salary not to teach.

What documentation do you have for such an assertion?


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[CTRL] HumaNature: Winter

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>From http://www.usataa.org/articles_winter.html#Resp1

The Care and Feeding of Humans in Winter

by Ged Bryon ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )

Well, here we are in the deep and dark of winter. For those of us living
outside the sun belt it is wise to pay special attention now to our
physical and emotional needs since many things that nurture us at other
times of the year are out of reach. How about some ways to flow with Mother
Nature rather than resenting or trying to fight her? There is much waiting
to feed us even now!

Eye Stimulation: In recent years I've been interested in how many
celebrations about light in one form or another take place around the
darkest time of year. Science has an amusing way of finally catching up
with cultural wisdom. Now we know that sunlight stimulating the rods and
cones of the eyes release those old friends -- endorphins. That's right,
simply by being out in the sunlight we release chemicals that give us a
significant emotional lift. Sun glasses are fine if we expect over exposure
that could cause eye damage but they are lousy for making cheerful
connections with others and getting those rods and cones stimulated.

Be outside instead of looking out: Frequently it feels a lot better to be
outside than to be inside looking out. The temptation on a gray, damp, cold
day is to snug up indoors and try to keep warm. That can be very nurturing
but it isn't the only game in town. Almost without exception when I get
myself outdoors on a lousy day I discover that the day is a great deal more
pleasant than it looks from inside. No need to stay out for hours. Even a
brief 30-minute walk under an umbrella or carefully picking my way around
the ice patches leaves me feeling better for the rest of the day. Certainly
on clear, cold days were not going to get rod and cone stimulation by
sitting indoors.

Sun Profile: For those of you who are now saying "fine, fine, enough, just
bring the crocuses" -- there is hope. The darkest day of the year is, of
course, the winter solstice December 21. Interestingly though, the sun's
pattern is not symmetrical. The darkest afternoon, that is the earliest
sunset, actually happens November 14th when the sun sets as early as 4:46pm
in my area. By January 15th it is already setting 24 minutes later at
5:10pm. Morning darkness, however, continues to increase until January 4th
when the sunrise is as late as 7:27am. It takes a few weeks to see the
difference because the sun's timing changes most slowly at the solstice and
most rapidly at the equinox. For encouragement right now though, pay
attention to the increasingly later sunsets after the middle of November.

Full Spectrum Bulbs: This sun process may be taking a bit too long for
some. Full spectrum light bulbs in areas where I spend a lot of time have
helped me a lot. They make me feel good, partly I think because the color
of the light is invitingly different from stuffy indoor lighting and partly
because I get rod and cone stimulation from it. Local health food stores
often have full spectrum bulbs.

Blizzards and flood lights: Most of us are aware now that endorphins are
one of our primary natural sources of feeling good. Giving to others,
laughter, fun, -- I include gratitude -- and exercise are all excellent
endorphin stimulators. Obviously, including a lot of these in our daily
life will help us get the emotional nourishment we especially need in
winter. For fun and gratitude I love to watch the birds at the feeder.
Sometimes I GO OUT and the chickadees will feed on sunflowers in my hand if
I'm patient. How about watching a blizzard from INSIDE with the outdoor
flood lights on. How about a roof-top hot tub in a snow storm. Find a
source of delight that truly warms you - it will make a big difference.

Winter Weekend: Breaking up the long winter months with a special
away-weekend helps a lot. We get to look forward to it for a month and
appreciate for two weeks after we return. By the time that is over we're a
month and half closer to spring! It doesn't have to be expensive -- could
be a weekend with a friend in a cabin that has a fire place or a simple
cozy inn with good food.

Get out with others: If the weekend idea takes too much time or money
simply get out where others are having a good social time. Go to your
favorite restaurants and slowly enjoy the fabulous treats the area offers.
One of my favorites is marsala tea at an Indian restaurant and soup noodles
with chicken at a great Chinese restaurant. I often find them as delightful
as that first waft of spring air.

Invite people in: Home is of course a special place to all of us. Don't go
it alone. Invite others over for an evening by the fire, make pop corn,
have dinner, dance and sing, watch a funny movie - whatever. Bring that
good energy into the space where you live. It will linger a while.

These are some ideas to help get you started. The whole point is to be a
bit more purposeful and wise about including emotionally healthy a

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Interestingly, other information about the connection of certain
Scientology members to some of the secret government's "unusual"
experimental research activities comes from premiere mind control
researcher and author Alex Constantine, who has authored a wealth of
excellent books and articles on the general topic of government
sponsored, administered and operated mind control projects, including
certain of those based on electromagnetic/radio
frequency transmissions.

I quote below a section called "Psychic Spying at the Stanford Research
Institute Or CIA Mind Control?"  from Constantine's Virtual Government.

"Concrete evidence that electronic mind control was the true object of
study at
Stanford Research Institute (SRI) was exposed by the Washington Post in
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Interestingly, other information about the connection of certain
Scientology members to some of the secret government's "unusual"
experimental research activities comes from premiere mind control
researcher and author Alex Constantine, who has authored a wealth of
excellent books and articles on the general topic of government
sponsored, administered and operated mind control projects, including
certain of those based on electromagnetic/radio
frequency transmissions.

I quote below a section called "Psychic Spying at the Stanford Research
Institute Or CIA Mind Control?"  from Constantine's Virtual Government.

"Concrete evidence that electronic mind control was the true object of
study at
Stanford Research Institute (SRI) was exposed by the Washington Post in
1977. When the Navy awarded a contract to the Institute, "the scientific
assistant to the Secretary of the Navy, Dr. Sam Koslov, received a
routine briefing on various research projects, including SRI's. As the
briefer flashed his chart onto the screen and began to speak, Koslov
stormily interrupted, 'What the hell
is that about?' Among the glowing words on the projected chart, the
section describing SRI's work was labeled, 'ELF and Mind Control.'

"'ELF' stands for 'extremely long frequency' electromagnetic waves, from
the very
slow brain frequencies up to about 100 cycles per second But the
'Mind Control' label really upset Koslov. He ordered the SRI
investigations for the Navy stopped, and canceled another $35,000 in
Navy funds slated for more remote viewing work. Contrary to Koslov's
attempt to kill the research, the Navy quietly continued to fork out
$100,000 for a two-year project directed by a bionics specialist. The
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>From "Sue Ellen", a well-known Mormon singer

One thing which has been cropping up more and more in the info I've been
getting is the tremendously extensive use of children in mind control
operations and the unbelievable high level of infiltration into the
child care and education systems on the part of agencies carrying out
these operations. the following was emailed to me in 1998 by a woman who
has lived much of her life immersed in the world of the Church of the
Latter Day Saints, as well as government psychosexual-abuse mind control
programs linked to military bases and kiddie-porn operations.

"First off, I am one of 13 children. I am also a professional singer. I
have three CD's and 9 cassettes that I have produced for the Mormon (LDS
) music market. I am kind of famous in my market and have won what you
might call 'grammy' awards. My albums sell all over the world.

"I was raised by Vandenberg Air Force Base in Santa Maria (Santa Barbara
County), California. My sisters Dawn and Priscilla have worse stories
than mine, but let's just say we've all experienced some crazy times. My
mother was a religious fanatic. She

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In a message dated 1/10/99 7:30:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Good point, Corey, because Dr. Habsburg is on record as denying any
>association with this "European Council of Princes".  It was created
>after WWII by an Italian named Victor Busa, aka (at various points in
>his "illustrious" career), "Monsignor Busa", "Orthodox Archbishop
>Metropolitan of Bialystock, Patriarch of the Eastern and Western
>Diaspora", "President of the Republic of Danzig", "President of the
>Democratic Republic of Byelorussia", "President of the World
>Parliament for Security and Peace", and "Viktor Timur II, Grand Khan
>of Tartaria and Mongolia" (I'm not making this up, I swear!).  He
>named Dr. Habsburg as "Honorary President" without ever actually
>consulting him

Hmm . . .

Om
K
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From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



---Corey Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Corey Wicks)
>
> >From: Tim Carmain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Too bad for Gardner that (a) Michael isn't a Stewart, and (b) the
> >throne of Scotland isn't vacant.
> >Tim Carmain
>
>
> I can't really say on (a) since geneaolgies aren't my specialty.
I'll leave
> that the the heraldists and Mormons that we have on the list. My
contact
> with the Monarchist League of Scotland says that Prince Michael
indeed is
> far from being recognized as the leading Stewart claimant. And I
find the
> claim of being the president of the European Council of Princes to be
> rather surprising. It is surprising that Prince Michael would
allegedly
> succeed Archduke Otto von Habsburg as president of such a group. The
> Habsburgs are far more respected and recognized as a leading
European royal
> house, it would seem.

Good point, Corey, because Dr. Habsburg is on record as denying any
association with this "European Council of Princes".  It was created
after WWII by an Italian named Victor Busa, aka (at various points in
his "illustrious" career), "Monsignor Busa", "Orthodox Archbishop
Metropolitan of Bialystock, Patriarch of the Eastern and Western
Diaspora", "President of the Republic of Danzig", "President of the
Democratic Republic of Byelorussia", "President of the World
Parliament for Security and Peace", and "Viktor Timur II, Grand Khan
of Tartaria and Mongolia" (I'm not making this up, I swear!).  He
named Dr. Habsburg as "Honorary President" without ever actually
consulting him, and Dr. Habsburg has had to deny any affiliation with
the European Council of Princes on many occasions.  "Prince" Michael
actually succeeded one of Busa's proteges as President, "Prince Alexis
d'Anjou-Durazzo-Dolgorouky-Romanoff de Bourbon-Conde", grandson of
Grand Duchess Tatiana of Russia (who "miraculously" escaped the
Bolshevik firing squad in 1918), pseudo-claimant to just about every
vacant throne that ever existed historically.  He made a fortune
peddling fake titles and chivalric orders before his death from AIDS a
few years back.  He was identified years ago as Alex Brimeyer, native
of the Belgian Congo.  He spent a good deal of time in jail for
fraudulent activity (having first claimed to be a Khevenhuller, and
then an Auersperg), but re-emerged each and every time with a new
"claim to fame".  Other "luminaries" of the European Council of
Princes are "Prince Arnaldo Petrucci of Vacone and Sienna" (aka Arnold
Petrucci of Brooklyn), "HRH Prince dom Rosario, Duke of Braganza" (aka
Rosario Poidimani of Naples, whose "mother", Infanta Maria Ana of
Portugal, was born AND died on 14 December 1887 - go figure that
one!), "HRH Prince Nicholas de Ligny-Luxembourg de
Lascaris-Ventimiglia" (aka Guillermo Lopez-Rios of Buenos Aires),
"HR&SH King William of Alabona-Ostrogojsk" (aka Bill Mazser, a New
Jersey car upholsterer) another "Anjou" whose moniker escapes me but
whose real name was Isaac Wolf, and a host of other Byzantine,
Visigothic, Swabian, and assorted pretenders of dubious distinction.
Owing to your knowledge of legitimate European royal and noble houses,
you would be hard-pressed to find a bona fide aristocrat amongst this
bunch.
> And you are right about (b) that the throne of Scotland isn't vacant.
> However, I suppose that the notion of a Stewart restoration would go
hand
> and hand with Scottish sentiment for independence from England.
Interesting
> that all this talk of the Stewarts happens just as the Scottish
Parliament
> is restored. The Stewarts would naturally claim that the House of
Windsor
> has not served Scotland well, as is indicated in the literature Prince
> Michael sent me.

We keep speaking of "the Stewarts" as though there was still a Stewart
(or Stuart) dynasty kicking around to harrass the Windsors.  There are
collateral cadet lines still existing, but none of them are pressing
any claims, backing Michael's, or even claiming Michael as one of
their own.  Even the family that Michael touts as his father's - the
Barons Lafosse de Chatry of Belgium - don't know who this guy is.  His
grandmother's purported family, the Princes de La To

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[Jim Norman]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/10/99 9:28:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >
> >  On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Jim Norman wrote:
> >  >I was raised in the old South in Claxton, Georgia 1941-1949 and I can
> >  >tell you from personal experience that the old South I experienced
> >  >respected everyone.  There was no racial tension as today.  Black people
> >  >wanted to be with their kind and whites wanted the same.
> >
> >  Bull.  That's what you WANT to believe, to justify your racism.
> It is certainly true that there was a much higher level of respect for all
> individuals then than now. And there was certainly less racial tension, but
> more for reasons that I mention below. -JY
> >
> >  Try talking to the BLACKS who lived in the South at that time (as I
> >  have), and see if they were oh so content as you would like to believe...
> >
> >  I have a black friend who grew up down south, having to watch the local
> >  KKK'rs walk by her house -- in full regalia -- going to and from their
> >  meetings...and being made to smile and wave to them...I can tell you, SHE
> >  and her family were NOT content, but knew what they had to do to keep
> >  from being lynched and their house burned down...
>
> These things happened but they were not as prevalent as they are now made to
> seem. -JY
> >
> >  There's a reason they moved up North...because the South didn't provide
> >  them the opportunities in employment the North did, because of their
> >  race...
> >
> >
> >  >We worked
> >  >together Black and White to plant and clear the crops since most of the
> >  >able bodied men were still at war.
> >
> >  I'm sure blacks were given equal opportunity to plant & clear fields --
> >  for someone else.  How many blacks OWNED this property they worked on...?
> >
> >  How many blacks were allowed to take over important office and factory
> >  jobs, supervisory and managerial positions, when the 'able bodied men'
> >  (black men WEREN'T 'able bodied'?) were away at war?
> >
> >
> >  June
> >
> June is correct that there was almost absolute segregation in the South when
> it came to anything in life that might be worthwhile. I remember as a white
> toddler in South Carolina not understanding why an adult wouldn't hoist me up
> and let me drink from a certain porcelain water fountain. There was a yellowed
> pasteboard sign over it that I mentally photographed and read years later. It
> said, "COLORED." I remember not understanding why I couldn't sit in the back
> of the bus and look out the window.

--There is steel in your words of the segregation that existed.  But I did not
learn of it until the late fifty's when the marches and sit-in's began.

>
> As to how blacks felt about all this,  state of mind can be related to
> circumstances. Yes, poor whites worked side by side with blacks ("poor blacks"
> would be redundant). And both groups had the same state of mind they were
> each content with their lot in life because they had no hope. They both were
> content because to have or be anything different was beyond the scope of
> reason.

--Jim it would seem this way but don't be fooled by what we learned in school.  As
you drive by that poor, unpainted farm house with holes in the screen door and
what looks like white trash sitting on the front porch, don't fail to also notice
that house sits on a 1000 acres of land that never had a mortgage on it.  In our
case, most of the farms were 600+ acres.  We were lucky as we farmed 1400 acres
with at lease one 400 acre field fallow for crop rotation.  So, hopeless? No.
Poor? Yes, no cash.  Poor? no, we always had plenty to eat.  I know this because
when I would ask Momma for seconds she would always say, "NO boy, you've had
plenty to eat."  Content? yes, we made for ourselves what ever we needed and
traded for the things we needed but could not make.

> On this basis the argument that most slaves were content is
> legitimate. Even today you see groups of people who seem content, and without
> ambition, in circumstances that would not be acceptable perhaps to you or to
> me. It is because long ago they abandoned hope and began to "enjoy" their
> circumstances as best possible. Of course they pass no hope along to their
> children, and poverty, substance abuse, welfare abuse, etc. are also
> perpetuated.  A huge problem today is that oppulance is everywhere, especially
> on television. That makes contentment more difficult us economic slaves of
> today have a hard time minding our proper place.

--Ditto on the economic slaves.
Jim Norman

>
>
> Oh, and BTW, there was a time in recent history when the North offered the
> higher paying jobs but segregation and racism existed there as well.
>
> Jim
>
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
> CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
> screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
> 

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[A.C. Szul]

Free Congress Foundation's
Notable News Now
Excerpts from FCF Programming, and other FCF projects.
January 11, 1999
Inside Stories

IS CLINTON "BUGGING" AMERICANS?

The Free Congress Commentary
Don't Give In To The Fear
by: Lisa S. Dean
There has been much fuss made in the press lately about the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation's proposed regulations called "Know Your
Customer."  And why shouldn't there be?  The regulations will require
every bank in America to establish a profiling system on every bank
customer, detailing their deposit and withdrawal habits.  If the person
deviates from that profile, the bank will be required to file a
"suspicious activity" report on the individual and all of a sudden he
will find himself answering to federal agencies as to why he deviated
and what he did with his money.
So far, the FDIC and other agencies involved have received over 6,600
letters from the public opposing the plan as a severe violation of their
privacy.  Those people are right to complain.  Traditionally federal
agencies aren't accountable to anyone for their actions, and it's
proposals like "Know Your Customer" that these agencies should come
under severe scrutiny for even introducing.  When federal agencies step
out of line, the citizens are right to set them straight.
While the proposal itself is troublesome because it represents a mindset
within federal agencies that our constitutional rights don't matter,
what's even more troubling is the attitudes of a growing number of
people in the country when it comes to criticizing or expressing an
alternative viewpoint from the government's.
The Free Congress Foundation. as well as other organizations such as
Sovereign Citizens Against Numbering, have been laboring day and night
urging people to respond during the comment period which ends on March
8th.  While many have already done so with pleasure, we hear from a
growing number of people in America whose immediate reaction is "but if
I respond in opposition to this proposal, what's to stop them from
putting ME on a list to target later on?"
That attitude is astounding!  While many of us complain that Americans
no longer understand the Constitution, we generally think of it in the
context of claiming to have rights under it that don't exist in that
document. but never have we thought of it in terms of people forgetting
what rights they really have and that they can still be exercised
because our Constitution, contrary to the wishes of the Clinton
Administration, are still very much in force today.
We still have the right to freedom of speech.  That freedom gives us the
right to criticize the branches of government, including the president
and agencies working under him.  The minute we begin to believe that we
can no longer exercise that right for fear of being punished by that
same government we dare to criticize, we have changed our form of
government without a single vote and given in to the very wishes and
desires of this Administration who would like nothing more than to kill
the Constitution itself.
Many of you who are listening tonight understand your Constitutional
rights and care very deeply about the many ways in which they are being
eroded by the Clinton Administration.  Be very, very careful never to
fall into that trap where you believe that if you exercise those rights,
you will be punished.  The second the government senses fear in you,
will be the same second where you will become a target because you will
have relinquished your rights which made you a free citizen in the first
place and now subject to a power-hungry government which doesn't view
you as a human being, created by God, but rather an instrument to
further strengthen its power.  For the sake of yourself, your families,
and your fellow citizens, keep the Constitution alive by not giving in
to that fear.
Lisa S. Dean is the Vice President of the Free Congress Foundation's
Center for Technology Policy.
Contact: Lisa Dean @ Free Congress Foundation  202.546.3000


Program Excerpts:

*   Is Clinton "Bugging" Americans?
"You know, they complain quite often about Linda Tripp, which is you
know, the second party of a conversation taping, well, we're talking
about an unknown third-party listening in.  And in essence, you know,
we're not just talking about your or my telephones, but we're also
talking about the computers that, say, run the federal reserve banks,"
said Charles Smith, president of the company, Softwar, and an expert in
computer security and encryption.  Smith, a guest on "Endangered
Liberties", which aired its radio debut on Radio America Friday evening,
discussed the Clipper project, a project by the Clinton administration
which tried to implement a plan allowing them to bug the American
public. The project, as of yet, has not succeeded.  Smith said, "One of
the reasons why the project died was because, well, Alan Greenspan
simply told them to get out of his office.  You know, they came i

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[L. Shipton]

Title: The AntiDairyCoalition Weekly Opinion (01/10/99)












  





By Robert Cohen Executive 
Director 
 


Weekly Opinion Column 
(01/10/99)ANTIDAIRY COALITION NEWSLETTER 

DIABETES - AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION 

WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY 
GONE?
  The official WebPage of the 
American Diabetes Association (ADA) is located at: http://www.diabetes.com 
  Last year the ADA raised $118 
million dollars for scientific research. I'll come back to that 
subject in a few moments, but first let me tell you a story. 
NATURE'S PERFECT MEAL?
  Lieutenant Columbo (Peter Falk) 
and Inspector Gadget (Don Adams) worked together on a safari movie 
in the early 1980's in Kenya. While doing location work, they 
visited with a tribe of Maasai warriors. The Maasai are proud people 
and raise cattle, relying upon the milk and blood as the staple of 
their diets. So as not to insult their hosts the detectives accepted 
the dinner offering of fresh milk mixed with blood taken from the 
jugular vein of a cow. It would have been ill mannered to refuse 
seconds and thirds. They drank until they could drink no more--blood 
and unpasteurized milk. Later that evening they retired to their 
tent and went to sleep. 
  Some hours later Columbo woke up 
with great pain in his stomach and heard Gadget groaning. Neither 
man was doing well but both took comfort in the other's company and 
misery. They just laid there in their sleeping bags when Columbo 
nudged Gadget and said: 
  "Look up at the sky and tell 
me what you see." Gadget looked and said, 
  "I see thousands and 
thousands of stars, my friend. The Milky Way, if you will excuse the 
expression." Both men laughed and groaned. 
  "So, what does that tell you, 
Gadget?" asked Columbo. 
  Gadget stopped moaning and thought 
for a moment. 
  "Astronomically, it tells me 
that there must be a million or more galaxies and at least a billion 
planets. Some of them might even support life, as we know it. Some 
might even have dairy cows!" Both laughed and groaned again. 
"Astrologically, I observe that Jupiter has entered Pisces. 
Theologically, I can deduce that God is great and all-powerful and 
we are tiny insignificant specks when compared with the infinite 
night sky. Weather-wise, I can tell you that the sky is clear and it 
probably will not rain tomorrow. What does it tell you, Lieutenant 
Columbo?" 
  In the blink of an eye Columbo 
spoke. "It tells me that one of those Maasai stole our 
tent!" 
  Anyway, last year the ADA raised 
$118 million dollars. During that same year they funded less than 
$13 million dollars for actual research. Seems clear to me that 
somebody has stolen the tent! 
DIABETES PREVENTION
  Over the years, hundreds of 
millions of research dollars have been invested to cure diabetes and 
improve the lives of the increasing numbers of Americans so 
diagnosed, but how much money is actually invested to PREVENT this 
disease, according to the language contained in the official ADA 
motto? 
  "To PREVENT and cure DIABETES 
and to improve the lives of all people affected by diabetes." 
  I called the ADA corporate office 
(703-549-1500) and spoke with Dwayne Telesford (extension 2362). My 
questions to Mr. Telesford were "How much funding did you do 
last year for the prevention of diabetes? Could you put me in touch 
with any of those researchers?" His response was quite simple. 
"As far as I know we do not fund studies to prevent 
diabetes." I then spoke with Matt Peterson of the same office. 
Mr. Peterson was aware of the DIABETES/MILK controversy but was not 
aware of any ongoing studies exploring a possible link. 
AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION
  The use of dairy products has been 
linked to Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus (IDDM), OR Type-I 
diabetes. There are nearly sixteen million Americans with Type-I or 
Type-II diabetes in America. Epi