Re: [CTRL] NSA Bans Furbies
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/13/99 2:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ people The NSA didn't ban it from the country or even stop its employees from owning one. It just stopped its employees from bringing them into the building due to the fact that classified material is discussed and could be repeated by the Furby. Jesus Christ yourself, it is just a little fun. I don't think anyone is saying that the Furby's are an alien plot to overthrow us or anything . . . then again maybe they are. . . Furry, Furry, Furry. . . . Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Understanding Republicans ///
-Caveat Lector- Michael: MJ: It is an effort to CONTROL behaviors based NOT upon freedom and liberty. [ALL non-property 'crimes' are revenue generators :) ] Agreed, but never contested. We were discussing ways, APART from the punishment of/for criminals that Republicans support social intervention. You are committing a myriad of logical fallacy here not limited to strawman. Another matter open to the individual interpretation of the reader. The operative term used in my previous statement was "imply": Because those who proffer such an argument IMPLY (by the use of emotives like "theft" and "plunder") that there is no need for a collection of just revenues for the maintenance of a society in which "a few (to be arbitrarily determined :-))" benefit disproportionately. There is nothing in my statement above which relates no need to fund 'society'. You are not the only one who propagates this argument, and scarcely few persons have your gift for discerning a difference. The phrase "social Darwinism" may not refer to you directly, but does to the argument as it is used at large. The 'theft and plunder' relate to unconstitutional efforts of our government which is operating beyond their mandate (to the tune of at least 85% of what they do fitting this category). Interesting! Please elaborate on this 85 per cent in terms of social programs. I also believe in charity -- the REAL kind. You are one of the few who profess such ideologies who does believe in charity. Here's hoping there are more of you. I would prefer that the government did not have to involve itself in social programs, but, unfortunately, there are not enough charitable souls to take care of an otherwise overwhelming need. Now, with this additional information, how are my comments in the gendre you associate them? Only your argument has come under my "scrutiny" as being of social Darwinist bent. To render a personal opinion regarding your ethics--concerning charity, government or anything else--would be the hight of arrogance on my part. Do you have an example of where I have made such an egregious error by directly referring to your ethics? Libertarians oppose criminalization of drugs, prostitution, gambling, censorship ... the Republicans favor these. I have read the enclosed treatise twice now, and I still insist that there is a chasm of difference between theory/ideology and practice: most Libertarian speakers I have heard on the subject of controlled substances (including prostitutes :-))--save marijuana--tout the Republican party line regarding its continued illegality and the punishment for the use and sale thereof. MJ: Then Ron Paul's recent PRIVACY legislation will pass both the Senate AND the House since they hold the majority? I would be interested in the BASIS for this conclusion you hold. As noble as Paul's proposed legislation is (remarkable given the current legislative climate), it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. But how did you infer the negative of this opinion from what I wrote?? MJ: At the turn of the Century, ALL Government consumed 1% +/- of an individual's earnings ... in the 1950s it was less than 10 percent. Currently the Government STEALS 50% +/- of an individual's earnings and utilizes these 'just collections' for unconstitutional programs. NOLO CONTENDRE!! You'll get no argument from me regarding the inefficiencies of government revenue generation and/or spending in any category. The only way in which we differ are what constitutes necessary spending. How much of these 'just collections' are just? Again, nolo contendre. The current system of taxation IS UNJUST, but, so far, our discussion has been limited to what is "necessary for social function/maintenance. Were we to discuss a flat tax or national sales tax, perhaps we would find ourselves in agreement. Edward "From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's revolutionary force." Edward Britton http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
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Alamaine Ratliff wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Okay, I'll bite. Biblical documentation (courtesy NIV) at
Matt 6 (esp 6:5) {long, I won't reproduce -- especially because of the
written word}
Don't see any connection to slavery.
John 8:31ff: "To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold
to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free." They answered him, "We are Abraham's
descendants and have never been slaves on anyone. How can you say we shall
be set free?"
Apparently these fellows had never been slaves, and said so.. They also apparently
"missed the point," that Jesus wasn't talking about literal/physical slavery..
which you also seem to have missed.
Acts 7:6ff: "G*d spoke to him {Abraham} in this way: 'Your descendants
will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and
mistreated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as
slaves,' G*d said, 'and afterward they will come out of that country and
worship me in this place.' Then he gave Abraham the convenant of
circumcision. And Abraham became the father of Isaac and circumcised him
eight days after his birth. Later Isaac became the father of Jacob, and
Jacob became the father of the twelve patriarchs."
I stumbled onto the above after looking through my Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible. There's not a bunch on "slave" or "slavery" but
more on "bondage" which translates back to "slavery" in the NIV. The
Matthew part was what I originally intended to offer but the rest just came
along.
But, the passage you quoted said nothing about it being "evil" or "wrong" for the
Hebrews to be held in bondage. It merely said that they WOULD be, and that Egypt
WOULD be punished, which it was... But the punishment was not because the Hebrews
were slaves there, rather because Pharoah did not release them when God told him
to... It was his (1) unreasonable harshness to the Hebrew slaves, and (2) his
refusal to let them go when directed -- Read it in context and this becomes
clear. There was a time (read the part about Joseph) when God BLESSED Egypt
because of Pharaoh's relationship (master over slave) with Joseph.
I really lean more toward Celtic Buddhism so these forays into Xtian
theological texts is rather illuminating.
That's good... Since some of these folks are offended by biblical texts, I would
be very glad to discuss the above passages, or any others, with you... Could be my
"take" on them is 100% wrong... but maybe I am not wrong at all. You be the
judge, after having an opportunity to study the passages using proper
hermaneutical procedures. In looking through your concordance, don't look for
"slave" but rather "servant" which IS a slave unless it says "hired" servant.
Hawk
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[CTRL] The Traitor: The Case Against Jonathan Pollard
The New Yorker, January 18, 1999, pp. 26-33 ANNALS OF ESPIONAGE THE TRAITOR The case against Jonathan Pollard. BY SEYMOUR M. HERSH http://jya.com/traitor.htm . Title: The Traitor: The Case Against Jonathan Pollard 11 January 1999: Link to news reports on Pollard clemency. 11 January 1999 Source: Hardcopy The New Yorker, January 18, 1999, pp. 26-33. Thanks to the author and The New Yorker. ANNALS OF ESPIONAGE THE TRAITOR The case against Jonathan Pollard. BY SEYMOUR M. HERSH IN the last decade, Jonathan Pollard, the American Navy employee who spied for Israel in the mid-nineteen-eighties and is now serving a life sentence, has become a cause clbre in Israel and among Jewish groups in the United States. The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, a consortium of fifty-five groups, has publicly called for Pollard's release, arguing, in essence, that his crimes did not amount to high treason against the United States, because Israel was then and remains a close ally. Many of the leading religious organizations have also called for an end to Pollard's imprisonment, among them the Reform Union of American Hebrew Congregations and the Orthodox Union. Pollard himself, now forty-four, has never denied that he turned over a great deal of classified material to the Israelis, but he maintains that his sole motive was to protect Israeli security. "From the start of this affair, I never intended or agreed to spy against the United States," he told United States District Court Judge Aubrey Robinson,Jr., in a memorandum submitted before his sentencing, in 1986. His goal, he said, was "to provide such information on the Arab powers and the Soviets that would permit the Israelis to avoid a repetition of the Yom Kippur War," in 1973, when an attack by Egypt and Syria took Israel by surprise. "At no time did I ever compromise the names of any U.S. agents operating overseas, nor did I ever reveal any U.S. ciphers, codes, encipherment devices, classified military technology, the disposition and orders of U.S. forces . . . or communications security procedures," Pollard added. "I never thought for a second that Israel's gain would necessarily result in America's loss. How could it?" Pollard's defenders use the same arguments today. In a recent op-ed article in the Washington Post, the Harvard Law School professor Alan M. Dershowitz, who served as Pollard's lawyer in the early nineteen-nineties, and three co-authors called for President Clinton to correct what they depicted as "this longstanding miscarriage of justice" in the Pollard case. There was nothing in Pollard's indictment, they added, to suggest that he had "compromised the nation's intelligence-gathering capabilities" or "betrayed worldwide intelligence data." In Israel, Pollard's release was initially championed by the right, but it has evolved into a mainstream political issue. Early in the Clinton Administration, Yitzhak Rabin, the late Israeli Prime Minister, personally urged the President on at least two occasions to grant clemency. Both times, Clinton reviewed the evidence against Pollard and decided not to take action. But last October, at a crucial moment in the Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations at the Wye River Conference Centers, in Maryland, he did tentatively agree to release Pollard, or so the Israeli government claimed. When the President's acquiescence became publicly known, the American intelligence community responded immediately, with unequivocal anger. According to the Times, George J. Tenet, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, warned the President that he would be forced to resign from the agency if Pollard were to be released. Clinton then told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Pollard's release would not be imminent, and ordered a formal review of the case. The President's willingness to consider clemency for Pollard so upset the intelligence community that its leaders took an unusual step: they began to go public. In early December, four retired admirals who had served as director of Naval Intelligence circulated an article, eventually published in the Washington Post, in which they argued that Pollard's release would be "irresponsible" and a victory for what they depicted as a "clever public relations campaign." Since then, sensitive details about the secrets Pollard gave away have been made public by CBS and NBC. In the course of my own interviews for this account, the officials who knew the most about Jonathan Pollard made it clear that they were talking because they no longer had confidence that President Clinton would do what they believed was the right thing -- keep Pollard locked up. Pollard, these officials told me, had done far more damage to American national security than was ever made known to the public; for example, he betrayed elements of four major American
[CTRL] Lawsuit Alleges FEMA Funded by Laundered Drug Profits
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:14:10 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] Lawsuit Alleges FEMA Funded by Laundered Drug Profits From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.2/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 3 Issue 2/A The Laissez Faire City Times January 11, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 2 Editor Chief: Emile Zola - Lawsuit Alleges FEMA Funded by Laundered Drug Profits by Uri Dowbenko Speculation about the mysterious origin and funding of the so-called Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has continued for decades. The history of FEMA as an illegal unconstitutional entity has been most recently exposed in an unprecedented lawsuit against the CIA and its alleged drug trafficking and money laundering operations. In September 1998 a $63 million lawsuit (Case No. 98CV11829JLT) was filed by Massachusetts attorney Ray Kohlman on behalf of former Green Beret Bill Tyree. Kohlman, a former legal investigator for attorney William Pepper in the Martin Luther King murder trial of James Earl Ray, filed a 101-page complaint on behalf of his client. The suit, replete with five inches of affidavits and appendices, names the Central Intelligence Agency, former Massachusetts Governor A. Paul Celucci, former Massachusetts Attorney-General Scott Harshbarger, former CIA director and US President George Bush and self-admitted government assassin D. Gene Tatum as defendants in a far-reaching case involving US Government sanctioned drug smuggling, murder, and coverup. Bill Tyree is currently serving a life sentence for the murder of his wife -- a case eerily similar to that of Dr. Jeffrey McDonald, a Ft. Bragg doctor who was framed for the murder of his wife and children in the early 1980s. "In the mid 1970s, while serving in Panama, Tyree and other Green Berets were led into Colombia under the command of Green Beret Colonels Cutolo and Baker to plant radio beacons, so that plane loads of cocaine could fly below Colombian and US radar, and land undetected in Panama," writes former LAPD officer Mike Ruppert in his newsletter (From the Wilderness, P. O. Box 6061-350, Sherman Oaks, CA 91413, http://www.copvcia.com). "Orders for these missions came from the CIA's Ed Wilson and Tom Clines," continues Ruppert. "Tyree had been a part of many secret missions and was losing his taste for it. His wife was keeping a diary [for which she was presumably murdered, and which later disappeared]." "Five Special Forces Colonels -- Cutolo, Baker, Malvesti, Rower and Bayard -- have died under mysterious circumstances since. The heart of the Tyree documentation consists of an affidavit allegedly written by Colonel Cutolo who was also Tyree's commanding officer at Fort Devens, Mass. at the time of Tyree's arrest. Both were then with the 10th Special Forces." "That fifteen page document gives precise details of CIA drug operations using Special Forces personnel. It also describes how Tyree was framed for the murder of his wife and how Special Forces personnel were used to intimidate and conduct illegal electronic and physical surveillance of anyone who might expose CIA drug dealing." According to the complaint in the lawsuit, "the Plaintiff [Tyree] alleges that the Defendants CIA and George Bush were negligent and failed at the conclusion of Operation Watchtower to monitor the post-Watchtower events and seek legal congressional funding for the origination of FEMA (Federal Emergency Managemnt Agency), and this failure led to the concealment and coverup of Operation Watchtower, written about in the diaries of Elaine Tyree, seized illegally and turned over to Colonel Carone and then to the CIA, which ensured that the Operation Watchtower drug trafficking operation would remain covert, allowing the drug profits from this Operation to be used to circumvent Congress and fund FEMA and continue the pattern of criminal activity." Colonel Carone, who died in 1990, was a CIA paymaster and Mafia-connected money launderer, who incidentally held the rank of full colonel in Army Intelligence. As Oliver North's bagman, he also couriered large amounts of cash in and out of the country. Carone's Complex Relationships According to former FAA investigator Rodney Stich, "Carone had complex relationships." In his underground bestselling book Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA, and Other Covert Agencies, Stich writes that Carone "was a member of the Gambino family with connections to other crime groups in the eastern part of the United States, a detective on the New York City vice squad, a member of the military and a CIA operative." Stich writes that "Dee [Ferdinand, Carone's daughter] said her father was a detective and bagman in the New York City police department, collecting
[CTRL] Top Secret Projects
-Caveat Lector- Top Secret Projects Advanced Technology http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/projects.html . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] James Fleming
-Caveat Lector- Read this In a message dated 1/10/99 5:49:20 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes James Fleming: So we began experiments on humans, as it was apparent that this system was only effective on them, and we didn't want to waste time with animal experiments. We posted a bogus add in the paper, asking for people who wanted to be models to appear for screening. We would take them each into a room, sit them down and tell them we'd be right back.. We started conditioning them to shoot firearms into a dummy target on an indoor range, and to slip capsules into drinks in an unassuming fashion. Soon we realized what we had created in our study already - a legion of zombie assassins. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Yea, and Chelsea, the hideous Madelyn Albright, and the hard-faced Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Or) all make Paula Jones look like a Baywatch Babe --- but you never hear that spin. Congratulations, you've picked up one of the Big Media's subtle propaganda signals: discredit Linda Tripp. Here's some more in case you haven't figured them out yet: Monica: good, victim, sympathetic figure; Betty Currie, good, victim, honorable woman (HA!), Alan Greenspan: good, wise, wiser than wise (incidentally, aligator skinned Alan Greenspan makes John Wayne Gacey look like a Matinee star, chew on that one awhile from the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell -Caveat Lector- You have to admit one thing -- Linda Tripp makes Hillary look like a Baywatch Babe! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- My question to all is there a 2nd Olympia Snowe. The one I am familiar with is OLYMPIA SNOWE FROM MAINE Are we talking about the same person here.??? Lynne who is totally unaware of an Olympia Snowefrom OR DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 5:01:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rom the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. You're right. Linda Tripp looks fabulous at all times, and she is just the kind of person all of us wish we had for a best friend. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fraud Warning
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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- It's fine with me. I'd like to see it. After all the Dems and the Reps are so similar they switch parties with great ease. I want to see everybody's dirty laundry. Why not? Then we can choose the bum whose sex life repels us the least. Prudy There's a difference with having a fling or an affair, then having sex with a subordinate on the job. Do people realize this? Not that one is worse then the other, but... Larry F. isn't making his point well... The pres isn't being impeached because he had sex with Monica anyways... I wonder if he's aware of this. Jamie DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Red China Clamps Down On Bigfoot Tours
-Caveat Lector- _ 1/14/99 -- 4:00 AM China clamps down on tours in search of Bigfoot _ BEIJING (AP) - China's government has called on tourist agencies to refrain from operating safaris in remote areas to search for a Chinese version of Bigfoot, local media reported today. The Shennongjia Nature Reserve in the mountains of central Hubei province planned to lure tourists with a $60,240 reward for the capture of Bigfoot, the elusive, man-like creature also known as the yeti, the China Daily reported. But at a symposium on eco-tourism this week, the State Forestry Administration announced it does not endorse the safaris because they mislead people and could harm the environment, the newspaper said. Chinese scientists have looked for Bigfoot in the wilds of Shennongjia in the past. Last month, the scientific community declared there was no evidence the creature exists. Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. [ISMAP] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton's Don't Look Down Economy
-Caveat Lector- By Arianna Huffington Clinton's `Don't Look Down' Economy Filed January 11, 1999 Nineteen ninety-eight was the year of the split screen -- the beginning of the Monica Lewinsky investigation on one screen, the State of the Union speech on the other; the president's grand jury testimony on one screen, the president's speech to the United Nations on the other; the House impeachment debate on one screen, the bombing of Iraq on the other. Similarly, 1999 began with the impeachment split screen still going on. But there is a much more profound split that went unnoticed last week. The day before the president hailed December's unemployment drop before the Economic Club of Detroit, wire reports announced the highest layoff numbers of the decade. In fact, December's steep cuts not only doubled November's, they broke a longstanding taboo of not laying workers off at Christmas. Yet the 1998 total of almost 700,000 layoffs -- 56 percent higher than last year -- went completely unremarked in the president's self-congratulatory speech. Clearly, nothing is allowed to detract from his version of ``morning again in America.'' ``Most things are going right for our country,'' the president said with a hubris that was chilling to anyone who had read the layoff reports, or the Labor Department's announcement of the biggest surge in six years in unemployment claims, or the new study of four Northwest states that revealed more than half of the available jobs do not pay a living wage. While the president quoted Henry Ford looking for Americans with ``an infinite capacity to not know what can't be done,'' 26 million Americans cannot get by without visiting a soup kitchen or a food bank. According to Second Harvest, the biggest national network of food banks, its clientele is growing by 10 percent a year -- a rate not yet rivaling Starbucks but clearly demonstrating that the two halves of our split nation are growing further apart with each passing year. At the end of November, ABC's ``Nightline'' profiled a community in Chelmsford, Mass., with 2.8 percent unemployment, 1.5 percent below the national average, but with many of its residents forced to use the local food bank while holding down ``not one but two jobs.'' As one of the men who had been laid off his computer job put it, he became ``marginally employed, which is really self-employed.'' He started calling himself a ``consultant,'' which included working at Radio Shack. In the meantime, his wife was juggling three jobs -- day care, peddling World Book Encyclopedias and selling Tupperware. And they still couldn't avoid the food bank. ``Wages are going up at all income levels,'' the president said during last week's radio address. ``And finally the rising tide of our economy is lifting all boats.'' Yes, he really did resurrect that hoary chestnut ridiculed during the Reagan years by every self-respecting liberal. And there was no trace of irony in his voice. ``Rising tides don't lift all boats,'' Jesse Jackson said once a long time ago. But now he's too busy holding rallies for the president on Capitol Hill to contradict him. While Reagan was criticized for his ``trickle-down'' economy, Clinton is given a free pass for his ``don't look down'' economy. Lapsed critics seem eager to hitch their wagons to the rising Dow Jones average and oblige by not commenting on the cracks in the foundation. It's not as if they don't know that the president's boosterism hides another reality. Former Rep. Joe Kennedy (D-Mass.), who has just left Congress to run Citizens Energy, said as much last November on ``Nightline'': ``While our newspapers and television and radios are filled with statistics about how the unemployment rate is down, and the inflation rate is down, and the stock market is up -- the fact is that there's another reality and there's another America.'' But he never moved beyond generalities to a criticism of the administration's domestic policies. The moratorium on dissent extends beyond elected officials to social critics like Michael Moore, whose book ``Downsize This!'' targeted the corporate and political narcissism that allowed hundreds of thousands of jobs to vanish unnoticed. Was he still busy pursuing Ken Starr while the president was in Michigan, only 60 miles from Moore's beloved Flint, tripping the truth fantastic? For that matter where were the Bush brothers and all the other ``compassionate conservatives'' while the president was in Detroit describing only one reality and only one America? After all, doesn't the other America deserve at
Re: [CTRL] Another Rebuttal: Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools!
-Caveat Lector- As usual, dear G. Harp, you accidentally or on purpose miss the point. The writer you are criticizing was making the point (by implication in this case) that FDR was going to get the US into the war somehow, which we NEVER would have been dragged into if FDR and Churchill weren't figuring ways to provoke somebody to attack us. FDR cut off key natural resources that Japan needed until their backs were against the wall and they attacked. This does NOT mean that the leaders of Japan were good guys, just that they could be provoked. Check it out, as soon as Japan attacked us, FDR sent 90% of the soldiers and materials to Europe. Oops! no shortage of money now, like there had been during all those Great Depression years. Yes, FDR and his bosses at the FED were plenty tricky, and they duped an entire generations of America on many fronts. If I were alive then, I don't know if I would have caught on either. In my mind the US soldiers are still heros in the sense they gave all for what they thought was a good cause. That leaves your buddy FDR as triple despicable, super war criminal that he was. You might read Joseph McCarthy's excellent, superbly and totally documented, and crytal clearly understandable book (originally a speech on the Senate Floor), America's Retreat from Victory, to get the details on how FDR and dead-eyed traitor George Catlett Marshall pulled off the provocaton of Japan, and then kept the intelligence from the Pearl Harbor Admirals to make sure the damage was maximum. Then the diabolical (word chosen deliberately and not for hyperbolly) FDR went on TV and spoke about a day that "will live in infamy" -- yea, but before it's all over, it will be HE, a cold blooded murderer of his own goy troops, that will live in infamy because of that day. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gerald Harp Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools! -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 8:48:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: What crap! The World War II generation: traumatized and buffaloed by the depression in Roosevelt's fascist New Deal and then tricked by the simple minded Pearl Harbor strategem into the useless slaughter of WWII Wow, that mean old FDR was pretty tricky OK. Imagine how he suckered the Japanese to invade Singapore, Indonesia, Indochina, Burma etc. Did Roosevelt also trick the Japanese into invading Manchuria in 1931? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Prudy Lynne - Lynne - I'll stand correction, Olympia Snowe may be from Maine, I thought I read on a TV program (caption under her) she was from Oregon. But I'll stand corrected. Prudy -- You've joined the "can't quite get on point" club on this list, a growing segment whose members set up his or her own straw man rather than respond point for point -- I didn't say Linda Tripp looked fabulous, I said she looked awkward. Also, I'd take Tripp over Monica as a friend anyday -- Monica wanted Tripp to lie under oath, remember? Linda Tripp had been called a liar by Blumenthal or one of Clinton's advisors. So Tripp defended herself. Lucianne Goldberg, who coached Tripp, is always a straight shooter who always mows down any opposition on any show she's on. There's no way in Hades Clinton's boys will try to make Goldberg a witness. Monica says she was raised to survive by telling lies. Probably says the Kol Nidre (our oaths will not be oaths, our promises will not be promises) every year. What great best-friend material, eh? Jim Condit Jr. P.S. If anyone can give a benign interpretation to the Jewish Kol Nidre prayer, supposedly "absolving" all who say it from any oaths than made in the past year or will make in the coming year --- if anyone can give a benign interpretation to this Kol Nidre prayer -- I'm willing to listen and would love to hear it. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 5:01:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rom the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. You're right. Linda Tripp looks fabulous at all times, and she is just the kind of person all of us wish we had for a best friend. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- Larry Flynt is a mushmouthed cripple who's entire life has been a farce. And the sad thing is, the American people have BOUGHT INTO IT. Milos Forman's 1996 film did everything but depict Flynt on the cross in order to raise his image to that of divinity. I'm waiting for the director's cut where Flynt is showing rolling his gold-plated wheelchair through the streets of Calcutta, doling out issues of "Barely Legal" to the lepers. Yes, the 1st amendment is important and all that, but if you think for one moment that Flynt would give a damn about the Constitution if it didn't serve his needs then you have a seriously distorted view of the world. Flynt doesn't give a crap about democracy, and he could care less about free speech. He just wants the freedom to show beaver shots hassle-free. PLEASE, people. Stop kowtowing at the foot of this slug! The only hypocrisy afoot is the one Flynt himself promulgates. -- From: J FROST[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL? -Caveat Lector- .Larry Flynt is anything but a sleazeball. He's a true a) champion of the 1st Amendment b) and is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the radical right. === There are 3 functions Natural functions like taking a ... Instincts that all animals have Thought... which only humans have. Speech is the exchange of thoughts between humans. Visual, audio, smell ... sex stimulates have nothing with speech or the thought process, they are raw animal instincts. If sexual stimulation is speech, then when can we expect dogs and pigs have the right to vote? a) Flint is not a champion of free speech, he is a fat bitter old man who got rich giving men errections. He is a pathetic grease ball with all that wealth and all those women around him, he is paralized from the waist down ... ah, true justice. b) As for hypocricy, Flint is the king of hypocrites while he pushes to expose evil hypocrite politician, he does not expose the democrat hypocrites. While he strikes out against the hypocrite christians, his purpose of attack is to protect the "christian" hypocrite clinton. All he says about republicans and more may well be true, but there is nothing he exposes about republicans that is not true about democrats. For all democratic stooges who ralley for Flint, bring your own mothers and daughters, Flint has a pop bottle you can use to stick up them as his photographers zoom in on the shot. Anyone who finds any merit in Flynt is indeed a sleazeball themselves. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Looking for devils, scapegoats. Jewish religion is not a monolith. I would recommed that you go to a local synagogue and talk to some real live jewish folk about your concerns. A Wise man once said,paraphrasingly"Do not take oaths." Extrapolate on that. Look more at enterprises using intell/mob type operational capabilities and proclivities. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/14/99 6:31:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. If anyone can give a benign interpretation to the Jewish Kol Nidre prayer, supposedly "absolving" all who say it from any oaths than made in the past year or will make in the coming year --- if anyone can give a benign interpretation to this Kol Nidre prayer -- I'm willing to listen and would love to hear it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- worse then the other, but... Larry F. isn't making his point well... The pres isn't being impeached because he had sex with Monica anyways... I wonder if he's aware of this. I am quite sure he is...he lied...pure and simple...remember when he smoke pot he didn't inhale.come on. It has nothing to do with sex...he lied under oath..he could of taken the fifth...but he lied, and he took an oath and swore under another oath Carlene DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [2] House Brief for Impeachment Trial
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm"Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accu /A --[2]-- For the record. Om K - WAS THIS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE? The President essentially admitted to making these statements when he knew they were not true. Consequently, he had painted himself into a legal corner. Understanding the seriousness of the President "coaching" Ms. Currie, the argument has been made that those statements to her could not constitute obstruction because she had not been subpoenaed, and the President did not know that she was a potential witness at the time. This argument is refuted by both the law and the facts. The United States Court of Appeals rejected this argument, and stated, "[A] person may be convicted of obstructing justice if he urges or persuades a prospective witness to give false testimony. Neither must the target be scheduled to testify at the time of the offense, nor must he or she actually give testimony at a later time." United States v. Shannon, 836 F.2d 1125, 1128 (8th Cir. 1988) (citing, e.g., United States v. Friedland, 660 F.2d 919, 931 (3rd Cir. 1981)). Of course Ms. Currie was a prospective witness, and the President clearly wanted her to be deposed to corroborate him, as his testimony demonstrates. The President claims that he called Ms. Currie into work on a Sunday night only to find out what she knew. But the President knew the truth about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, and if he had told the truth during his deposition the day before, then he would have no reason to worry about what Ms. Currie knew. More importantly, the President's demeanor, Ms. Currie's reaction to his demeanor, and the blatant lies that he suggested clearly prove that the President was not merely interviewing Ms. Currie. Rather, he was looking for corroboration for his false cover-up, and that is why he coached her. JANUARY 18 THE SEARCH FOR MS. LEWINSKY Very soon after his Sunday meeting with Ms. Currie, at 5:12 p.m., the flurry of telephone calls in search of Monica Lewinsky began. (Chart S) Between 5:12 p.m. and 8:28 p.m., Ms. Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky four times. "Kay" is a reference to a code name Ms. Lewinsky and Ms. Currie agreed to when contacting one another. (ML 8/6/98 GJ, p. 216; H.Doc., 105-311, pg. 936) At 11:02 p.m., the President called Ms. Currie at home to ask if she had reached Lewinsky. (BC 7/22/98 GJ, p. 160; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 702) JANUARY 19 THE SEARCH CONTINUES The following morning, January 19, Ms. Currie continued to work diligently on behalf of the President. Between 7:02 a.m. and 8:41 a.m., she paged Ms. Lewinsky another five times. (Chart S)(Exhibit 8) After the 8:41 page, Ms. Currie called the President at 8:43 a.m. and said that she was unable to reach Ms. Lewinsky. (BC 7/22/98 GJ, pgs. 161-162; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 703) One minute later, at 8:44 a.m., she again paged Ms. Lewinsky. This time Ms. Currie's page stated "Family Emergency," apparently in an attempt to alarm Ms. Lewinsky into calling back. That may have been the President's idea, since Ms. Currie had just spoken with him. The President was obviously quite concerned because he called Betty Currie only six minutes later, at 8:50 a.m. Immediately thereaft er, at 8:51 a.m., Ms. Currie tried a different tact, sending the message: "Good news." Again, perhaps at the President's suggestion. If bad news does not get her to call, try good news. Ms. Currie said that she was trying to encourage Ms. Lewinsky to call, but there was no sense of "urgency." (BC 7/22/98 GJ, p. 165; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 704) Ms. Currie's recollection of why she was calling was again fuzzy. She said at one point that she believes the President asked her to call Ms. Lewinsky, and she thought she was calling just to tell her that her name came up in the deposition. (BC 7/22/98 GJ, p. 162; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 703) Monica Lewinsky had been subpoenaed; of course her name came up in the deposition. There was obviously another and more important reason th e President needed to get in touch with her. MR. JORDAN AND MS. LEWINSKY'S LAWYERS JOIN THE SEARCH At 8:56 a.m., the President telephoned Vernon Jordan, who then joined in the activity. Over a course of twenty-four minutes, from 10:29 to 10:53 a.m., Mr. Jordan called the White House three times, paged Ms. Lewinsky, and called Ms. Lewinsky's attorney, Frank Carter. Between 10:53 a.m. and 4:54 p.m., there are continued calls between Mr. Jordan, Ms. Lewinsky's attorney and individuals at the White House. MS. LEWINSKY REPLACES HER LAWYER Later that afternoon, at 4:54 p.m., Mr. Jordan called Mr. Carter. Mr. Carter relayed that he had been told he no longer represented Ms. Lewinsky. (VJ 3/5/98 GJ, p. 141; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 1771) Mr. Jordan then made feverish attempts to reach the President or someone at the
[CTRL] [1]House Brief for Impeachment Trial
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm"Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accu /A --[1]-- For the record. Om K - CLINTON ACCUSEDMain PageNews ArchiveDocumentsKey PlayersTalkPolitics Section House Brief for Impeachment Trial Monday, January 11, 1999 Following is the full text of a "trial memorandum," in which House impeachment managers summarize their case and the evidence against President Clinton. The document was delivered Jan. 11 to the secretary of the Senate. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES Sitting as a Court of Impeachment In Re Impeachment of President William Jefferson Clinton TRIAL MEMORANDUM OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Now comes the United States House of Representatives, by and through its duly authorized Managers, and respectfully submits to the United States Senate its Brief in connection with the Impeachment Trial of William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States. SUMMARY The President is charged in two Articles with: 1) Perjury and false and misleading testimony and statements under oath before a federal grand jury (Article I), and 2) engaging in a course of conduct or scheme to delay and obstruct justice (Article II). The evidence contained in the record, when viewed as a unified whole, overwhelmingly supports both charges. Perjury and False Statements Under Oath President Clinton deliberately and willfully testified falsely under oath when he appeared before a federal grand jury on August 17, 1998. Although what follows is not exhaustive, some of the more overt examples will serve to illustrate. At the very outset, the President read a prepared statement, which itself contained totally false assertions and other clearly misleading information. The President relied on his statement nineteen times in his testimony when questioned about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. President Clinton falsely testified that he was not paying attention when his lawyer employed Ms. Lewinsky's false affidavit at the Jones deposition. He falsely claimed that his actions with Ms. Lewinsky did not fall within the definition of "sexual relations" that was given at his deposition. He falsely testified that he answered questions truthfully at his deposition concerning, among other subjects, whether he had been alone with Ms. Lewinsky. He falsely testified that he instructed Ms. Lewinsky to turn over the gifts if she were subpoenaed. He falsely denied trying to influence Ms. Currie after his deposition. He falsely testified that he was truthful to his aides when he gave accounts of his relationship, which accounts were subsequently disseminated to the media and the grand jury. Obstruction of Justice The President engaged in an ongoing scheme to obstruct both the Jones civil case and the grand jury. Further, he undertook a continuing and concerted plan to tamper with witnesses and prospective witnesses for the purpose of causing those witnesses to provide false and misleading testimony. Examples abound: The President and Ms. Lewinsky concocted a cover story to conceal their relationship, and the President suggested that she employ that story if subpoenaed in the Jones case. The President suggested that Ms. Lewinsky provide an affidavit to avoid testifying in the Jones case, when he knew that the affidavit would need to be false to accomplish its purpose. The President knowingly and willfully allowed his attorney to file Ms. Lewinsky's false affidavit and to use it for the purpose of obstructing justice in the Jones case. The President suggested to Ms. Lewinsky that she provide a false account of how she received her job at the Pentagon. The President attempted to influence the expected testimony of his secretary, Ms. Currie, by providing her with a false account of his meetings with Ms. Lewinsky. The President provided several of his top aides with elaborate lies about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, so that those aides would convey the false information to the public and to the grand jury. When he did this, he knew that those aides would likely be called to testify, while he was declining several invitations to testify. By this action, he obstructed and delayed the operation of the grand jury. The President conspired with Ms. Lewinsky and Ms. Currie to conceal evidence that he had been subpoenaed in the Jones case, and thereby delayed and obstructed justice. The President and his representatives orchestrated a campaign to discredit Ms. Lewinsky in order to affect adversely her credibility as a witness, and thereby attempted to obstruct justice both in the Jones case and the grand jury. The President lied repeatedly under oath in his deposition in the Jones case, and thereby obstructed justice in that case. The President's lies and misleading statements under
[CTRL] The Walsh Report
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/index.htm A HREF="http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/index.htm"The Walsh Report /A - Embedded links at site. Om K - Review of Policy relating to Encryption Technologies (The Walsh Report) The full report is rather large (96 A4 pages) and three versions are provided here: 1. Separate HTML files for each chapter 2. The complete report (HTML) suitable for downloading (308K) 3. ZIP version of the complete HTML report (99K) Update - December 1998 In December 1998, several uncensored copies of the Walsh Report were found in public and university libraries in Australia. These are believed to be deposit copies lodged by the Australian Government Publishing Service (AGPS) after the report was printed but before the decision by the Attorney-General's Department to withhold it from commercial sale. The report is not listed by AGPS, which is the normal channel for obtaining government publications. The missing sections have now been incorporated in the online version and are highlighted in red. History of the Report and its release under FOI In February 1997, the Australian Attorney-General's Department put a hold on the public release of the Walsh Report, an important review of Australian cryptography policy. The report, entitled Review of policy relating to encryption technologies, is the outcome of a study conducted in 1996 by Gerard Walsh, a former deputy director-general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). Publication of the report was eagerly awaited by members of the law enforcement community, other government departments, commerce, and the online community. It was expected that the report would examine the the various issues in the crypotography debate and encourage further comment and consultation. The report was listed for sale by the Australian Government Publishing Service in January 1997, but was hurriedly withdrawn from the list 3 weeks later, following an enquiry by Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) as to the reasons why it was not actually available for sale. The original intention had apparently been to allow for a 3-month consultation period for public comment. EFA then released a Media Statement calling for the release of the report. In March 1997, EFA applied for release of the report under the Freedom of Information Act. This request was denied, quoting various sections of the Act relating to national security and law enforcement as justification for the denial. EFA then submitted a request for review of the decision, and this request was successful, resulting in the release of an edited photocopy of the report in June 1997. This is an important report and covers a number of issues of relevance to the global cryptography debate. A number of paragraphs were deleted from the copy supplied to EFA. These have been identified in the report, together with an annotation referring to the section of the report under which that paragraph was claimed to be exempt from release. However, in December 1998, the missing sections were obtained. The originally deleted paragraphs have been highlighted in red. Reproduced below are the 3 sections of the Act under which parts of the report were deleted. The full text of the Freedom of Information Act 1982 is available online from the Australian Legal Information Institute (AUSTLII). Freedom of Information Act 1982 - Sect 33 Documents affecting national security, defence or international relations 33. (1) A document is an exempt document if disclosure of the document under this Act: (a) would, or could reasonably be expected to, cause damage to: (i) the security of the Commonwealth; (ii) the defence of the Commonwealth; or (iii) the international relations of the Commonwealth; or (b) would divulge any information or matter communicated in confidence by or on behalf of a foreign government, an authority of a foreign government or an international organization to the Government of the Commonwealth, to an authority of the Commonwealth or to a person receiving the communication on behalf of the Commonwealth or of an authority of the Commonwealth. (2) Where a Minister is satisfied that a document is an exempt document for a reason referred to in subsection (1), he or she may sign a certificate to that effect (specifying that reason) and, subject to the operation of Part VI, such a certificate, so long as it remains in force, establishes conclusively that the document is an exempt document referred to in subsection (1). (3) Where a Minister is satisfied as mentioned in subsection (2) by reason only of matter contained in a particular part or particular parts of a document, a certificate under that subsection in respect of the document shall identify that part or those parts of the document as containing the matter by reason of which the certificate is given. (4) Where a Minister is satisfied that information as to the existence
[CTRL] [3] House Brief for Impeachment Trial
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/housetext011199.htm"Washingtonpost.com Special Report: Clinton Accu /A --[3]-- For the record. Om K - MOTIVE FOR LIES TO STAFF It is abundantly clear that the President's assertions to staff were designed for dissemination to the American people. But it is more important to understand that the President intended his aides to relate that false story to investigators and grand jurors alike. We know that this is true for the following reasons: the Special Division had recently appointed the Office of Independent Counsel to investigate the Monica Lewinsky matter; the President realized that Jones' attorneys and investigators were investigating this matter; the Washington Post journalists and investigators were exposing the details of the Lewinsky affair; and, an investigation relating to perjury charges based on Presidential activities in the Oval Office would certainly lead to interviews with West Wing employees and high level staffers. Because the President would not appear before the grand jury, his version of events would be supplied by those staffers to whom he had lied. The President actually acknowledged that he knew his aides might be called before the grand jury. (WJC 8/17/98 GJ, pgs. 105-109; H.Doc. 105-311, pgs. 557-557) In addition, Mr. Podesta testified that he knew that he was likely to be a witness in the ongoing grand jury criminal investigation. He said that he was "sensitive about not exchanging information because I knew I was a potential witness." (Podesta 6/23/98 GJ, p. 79; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 3332) He also recalled that the President volunteered to provide information about Ms. Lewinsky to him even though Mr. Podesta had not asked for these details. (Podesta 6/23/98 GJ, p. 79; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 3332) In other words, the President's lies and deceptions to his White House aides, coupled with his steadfast refusal to testify had the effect of presenting a false account of events to investigators and grand jurors. The President's aides believed the President when he told them his contrived account. The aides' eventual testimony provided the President's calculated falsehoods to the grand jury which, in turn, gave the jurors an inaccurate and misleading set of facts upon which to base any decisions. WIN, WIN, WIN President Clinton also implemented a win-at-all-costs strategy calculated to obstruct the administration of justice in the Jones case and in the grand jury. This is demonstrated in testimony presented by Richard "Dick" Morris to the federal grand jury. Mr. Morris, a former presidential advisor, testified that on January 21, 1998, he met President Clinton and they discussed the turbulent events of the day. The President again denied the accusations against him. After further discussions, they decided to have an overnight poll taken to determine if the American people would forgive the President for adultery, perjury, and obstruction of justice. When Mr. Morris received the results, he called the President: And I said, "They're just too shocked by this. It's just too new, it's too raw." And I said, "And the problem is they're willing to forgive you for adultery, but not for perjury or obstruction of justice or the various other things." (Morris 8/18/98 GJ, p. 28; H.Doc. 105-316, p. 2929) Morris recalls the following exchange: Morris: And I said, "They're just not ready for it." meaning the voters. WJC Well, we just have to win, then. (Morris 8/18/98 GJ, p. 30; H.Doc. 105-216, p. 2930) The President, of course, cannot recall this statement. (Presidential Responses to Questions, Numbers 69, 70, and 71) THE PLOT TO DISCREDIT MONICA LEWINSKY In order to "win," it was necessary to convince the public, and hopefully the grand jurors who read the newspapers, that Monica Lewinsky was unworthy of belief. If the account given by Ms. Lewinsky to Linda Tripp was believed, then there would emerge a tawdry affair in and near the Oval Office. Moreover, the President's own perjury and that of Monica Lewinsky would surface. To do this, the President employed the full power and credibility of the White House and its press corps to destroy the witness. Thus on January 29, 1998: Inside the White House, the debate goes on about the best way to destroy That Woman, as President Bill Clinton called Monica Lewinsky. Should they paint her as a friendly fantasist or a malicious stalker? (The Plain Dealer) Again: "That poor child has serious emotional problems," Rep. Charles Rangel, Democrat of New York, said Tuesday night before the State of the Union. "She's fantasizing. And I haven't heard that she played with a full deck in her other experiences." (The Plain Dealer) From Gene Lyons, an Arkansas columnist on January 30: But it's also very easy to take a mirror's eye view of this thing, look at
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector-
I don't believe this sh++ ! It is so juvenile, I don't know much about this
person, but no one should be badgered like this, is this acceptable on this list
? If so I suppose I could do this toowhere are you coming from...take it
private.(the only reason my private post got sent to the list, is because I was an
oversight, received some bad news and my concentration was not there)
But this is a deliberate attempt to disrupt this list, which I have been accused
of.
Carlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Howdy Hypocrite,
Whatsa matter, ain't got time to reply to my queries?
So, pray tell, what are the "proper hermaneutical procedures"? Are they
consistent?
Hypocrite Hawk sez:
"But, the passage you quoted said nothing about it being "evil" or "wrong" for
the
Hebrews to be held in bondage."
So let, us review, unless Hypocrite Hawk, can determine through "proper
hermaneutical procedures" if the Bible says an action is 'evil' or 'wrong'.
Do you have a list of "evil" or "wrong", oh, old, wise one?
I am not offended by Biblical texts, but by hypocrites that abuse them.
Oh, Hypocrite, you didn't answer my query about your intel secret ops? Cat got
your tongue?
What a . . . chauvanistic goober.
Om
k
In a message dated 1/13/99 10:47:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Alamaine Ratliff wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Okay, I'll bite. Biblical documentation (courtesy NIV) at
Matt 6 (esp 6:5) {long, I won't reproduce -- especially because of the
written word}
Don't see any connection to slavery.
John 8:31ff: "To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold
to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free." They answered him, "We are Abraham's
descendants and have never been slaves on anyone. How can you say we shall
be set free?"
Apparently these fellows had never been slaves, and said so.. They also
apparently
"missed the point," that Jesus wasn't talking about literal/physical
slavery..
which you also seem to have missed.
Acts 7:6ff: "G*d spoke to him {Abraham} in this way: 'Your descendants
will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and
mistreated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as
slaves,' G*d said, 'and afterward they will come out of that country and
worship me in this place.' Then he gave Abraham the convenant of
circumcision. And Abraham became the father of Isaac and circumcised him
eight days after his birth. Later Isaac became the father of Jacob, and
Jacob became the father of the twelve patriarchs."
I stumbled onto the above after looking through my Strong's Exhaustive
Concordance of the Bible. There's not a bunch on "slave" or "slavery" but
more on "bondage" which translates back to "slavery" in the NIV. The
Matthew part was what I originally intended to offer but the rest just came
along.
But, the passage you quoted said nothing about it being "evil" or "wrong" for
the
Hebrews to be held in bondage. It merely said that they WOULD be, and that
Egypt
WOULD be punished, which it was... But the punishment was not because the
Hebrews
were slaves there, rather because Pharoah did not release them when God told
him
to... It was his (1) unreasonable harshness to the Hebrew slaves, and (2) his
refusal to let them go when directed -- Read it in context and this becomes
clear. There was a time (read the part about Joseph) when God BLESSED Egypt
because of Pharaoh's relationship (master over slave) with Joseph.
I really lean more toward Celtic Buddhism so these forays into Xtian
theological texts is rather illuminating.
That's good... Since some of these folks are offended by biblical texts, I
would
be very glad to discuss the above passages, or any others, with you... Could
be
my
"take" on them is 100% wrong... but maybe I am not wrong at all. You be the
judge, after having an opportunity to study the passages using proper
hermaneutical procedures. In looking through your concordance, don't look
for
"slave" but rather "servant" which IS a slave unless it says "hired" servant.
Hawk
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris
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Re: [CTRL] Clinton's Don't Look Down Economy
-Caveat Lector- This year will be the year of the "picture in picture in picture in picture in picture (you get the point)." Jamie By Arianna Huffington Clinton's `Don't Look Down' Economy Filed January 11, 1999 Nineteen ninety-eight was the year of the split screen -- the beginning of the Monica Lewinsky investigation on one screen, the State of the Union speech on the other; the president's grand jury testimony on one screen, the president's speech to the United Nations on the other; the House impeachment debate on one screen, the bombing of Iraq on the other. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy Hypocrite, Good morning... Having a nice day? Whatsa matter, ain't got time to reply to my queries? I haven't seen any Is it something you sent today? So, pray tell, what are the "proper hermaneutical procedures"? Are they consistent? "Hermaneutics" is the art or science of "interpretation" primarily of written documents, and is usually applied to biblical interpretation. However, the "rules" are common in literature and historical/archealogical fields, and are not restricted to bible study. Check this site: http://www.greatnorthern.net/~ken/herm.html There are books on the subject, and quite a few "hits" can be found using the "Hotbot" search engine. Here are some general principles: Hermaneutics- Rules for Correct Biblical interpretation 1. TAKE THE WORDS IN THEIR USUAL AND ORDINARY SENSE. A. as the people to whom they were written would have understood B. NOT necessarily literal C. CAREFULLY note the response of the hearers ( do they understand or not ) [ only go as far as you need to in the rules ] 2. TAKE THE WORDS IN THE SENSE THAT THE PHRASE INDICATES (short context) How is the phrase using this word? [in the Original language] ( verb, noun, etc.) - "faith" could mean 'the act of believing' or 'the elements of believe'(as in statement of faith) or 'the whole religion itself' (as in the Christian faith). ex.- an (anarthrous noun); nn (noun); repro (relative pronoun) 3. TAKE THE WORDS IN CONTEXT ( long context ) this is sometimes referred to as ' reading around the text' ( several verses before and after the target text ) 4. CONSIDER THE OBJECT OR DESIGN OF THE PASSAGE A. General purpose of the writer ( stated or un-stated ) B. Specific purpose of the writer ( stated or un-stated ) 5. CONSULT PARALLEL PASSAGES (P.P.) - direct quotes (of this or others) A. is it a parallel? B. is it an inexact parallel? 6. RECOGNIZE PARALLEL EXCLUSIONS A. note any absence of your target text in any other related passages B. note any absence of your target text in any parallel passages Hypocrite Hawk sez: "But, the passage you quoted said nothing about it being "evil" or "wrong" for the Hebrews to be held in bondage." So let, us review, unless Hypocrite Hawk, can determine through "proper hermaneutical procedures" if the Bible says an action is 'evil' or 'wrong'. The above is somewhat muddled, but presumably, anyone following the principles of hermaneutics should be able to arrive at a reasonably accurate understanding of written documents... Otherwise, why do automobiles come with "Owner's Manuals?" On the other hand, it could be that the document's author was unable to clearly state what he was trying to say, or that his ideas were inconsistent, and in such cases, it is more difficult, or sometimes impossible to determine the meaning -- For instance, "How to program your VCR" written by some Korean guy who is unfamiliar with English... In which case, you would probably have to resort to the original language (the reason for having study tools such as "Vines Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.") Do you have a list of "evil" or "wrong", oh, old, wise one? Certainly... however I would not call it an "exhaustive list." Some examples are: Do not steal, do not commit murder, do not commit adultary, etc. I am not offended by Biblical texts, but by hypocrites that abuse them. I feel the same way about it. I do not approve of hypocrisy. Oh, Hypocrite, you didn't answer my query about your intel secret ops? Cat got your tongue? I don't think I saw any query about intel secret ops. But even if I had, I don't know anything at all about the subject of intel secret ops, and don't even know what it means. What a . . . chauvanistic goober. Well, maybe so... I may be one of those, since I don't even know what it is. I think I am chauvanistic about some issues As for being a goober, I think that is slang (or African) for "peanut," and I am fairly certain that I am not of that species. However, I do know what a hypocrite is, and I do not think I am one of those. I have asked you numerous times to provide evidence of my hypocrisy, and you have steadfastly refused to do so. I have decided that you have no such evidence, based on your reluctance or inability to produce it. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- Lord, have mercy, lady. Shall I really go through your noise, what is your point? [1] Hawk is offering classic apologist argumentation. So are you by the way. So there were black slave owners. That does does not mean slavery is/was wrong? And your argumenyt is racist. [2] Oh, Carlene, so what is apropriate, let some apologist tell lies backed up by his own personal interpretations of scripture? [3] How noble and hypocrotical [4] So you want to ba a slave? Again your answers are racist. [5] Weren't we benevolent. We did it for their own good. Again, you want to be a slave? [6] Nice, massa, . . . I guess if ya get raped nicely, It's OK. [7] I am sure the courage the gentleman showd was 'instilled' into him by the institution of slavery. You are getting close to being a gooberette. [8] Again, ya want to be a slave? [9] Invoking, Lincoln for what reason? [10] Well, then that makes it right. . . [11] Standing up for man and god. [12] Yes slavery was wrong then and now. Options - lick the boot or stand tall [13] Hawk is a hypocrite for espousing supernatural authority for the institution of slavery for chauvanistic reason, while stating that he wouldn't want to be a slaveholder or slave, whilst particpating in said supernaturals' 'universe'. [14] "separate but equal" was unconstitutional and void 'ab intio'. [15] Read it. Show me . . . [16] The nature of the day is not legality. Separate but equal was a sham and unconstitutional. In a message dated 1/13/99 2:17:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- An apologist for slavery and . . . You may think what you want, but do you realize your rationalzations are inhumane. [1]"""No...I don't see him apologizing...and like I noted in a previous post...there were black slave owers and there were white slaves as well...but that tends to be over looked...look at my other post for references in regard to this. h do not personally approve of slavery. Seems you would finally get that through your head. I don't either, and I have the sense to realize that was acceptable than is not necessarily so nowand things that are acceptable now will not be acceptable in the future. You have different societies and different mores...will find a reference if you really need oneand you can not justify or condemn a society..the past on the mores and beliefs of the now. Have you ever heard of the word hypocrite? [2]"""Sorry to get in the middle here..but this post...oh well...did you ever hear of the term.never mind...not appropriate on the list. I do not say that "owning a human being is a humane idea" -- but neither is it an inhumane act. personally do not wish to own a slave nor be a slave. - Gosh, again, how noble. Gee, you wouldn't wish to be a slave. [3]Didn't this gentleman also say he did not want to own slaves as well, Which I will stand-up again, and again and say -you are wrong. [4]I am sorry don't understand what he is wrong about. === Blacks are deprived ? http://memory.loc.gov/ gi- bin/query/D?wpa:8:./temp/~ammem_DgOA::@@@mdb=cwar,fsaall,vv,detr,wtc,dag,gotts cho,horyd,nfor,papr,wpa,aap,bdsbib,nawbib,consrvbib,varstg,presp,cowellbib,cal bkbib,suffrg,pan,gmd,mcc,toddbib,mgw,hlaw,bbpix,award97,ncr,musdibib,alad,lhbu mbib,hh,bbcards,mussm,rbpebib,raelbib http://e.usia.gov/education/amstudy/hislink.htm [5]Do you really know what there options were ? If they stayed in Africa what do you think would of happened ?? Many times being a slave was safer than other alternatives at the time. [6]Look at the following article and see what is all providedI know your mind is set one way, but look at the other side of the coin. Here is an article you might enjoy...and it is documentated. """Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Thurs. Nov. 26, 1998 SecD-14 "Slaves' descendants honor slavemaster of ancestors" "Defying political correctness, decendants of Panola County, Texas, slaves are dedicating a historical marker to the slaveholder who brought their families here. .The marker will be dedicated to Spearman "Major" Holland who brought slaves to East Texas in the 1840's. "Holland Quarters, a black community four miles north of Carthage in Panola County on land once used as a plantation. has been home to generations descended from Holland's slaves. . Research has shown that Holland was know for generosity toward his slaves... According to Barbara Jefferson-Bonner, a Panola County historian. She stated "He was a great guy. He cared for his slaves in a unique kind of way. When Spearman left here, hye left his thousands of acres to slaves, who were ancestors of mine." .During the Civil War, Spearman served as a captain in the Texas State Troops, 4th Brigade. After the war he moved away and left the land to the slaves...His brother was known to have bought slaves and then free them. [7]""
Re: [CTRL] Clinton's Don't Look Down Economy
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:41 AM Subject: [CTRL] Clinton's "Don't Look Down" Economy -Caveat Lector- By Arianna Huffington Clinton's `Don't Look Down' Economy Filed January 11, 1999 Brian, Obviously you are not looking at the big picture here. So, I will outline it for you. The Big Picture: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is cleverly done by eliminating the middle class. In the background of the Big Picture, all the happy people are doing the Surf Trot. I believe there have been a number of Executive Orders in recent years which are basically a guideline in the one-two step of the Surf Trot. As a noted and dedicated journalist, I am shocked that you haven't attended the preliminary Surf Trotting Sessions. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In response to the "what would the liberals do if come conservative dude spent millions exposing the scandals of democrats" I'd say it's already been done. R.M.Scaife has spent BIG bucks to "get Clinton" and Rupert Murdoch has done much the same. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Iraq: Changing the attack rules
Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ Iraq: Changing the attack rules INDEPENDENT (London) January 13, 1999 American planes free to attack Iraqi radar sites By Andrew Marshall in Washington The United States has widened the rules of engagement for aircraft flying over Iraq, allowing them to fire on Iraqi air defence sites before they are targeted by them. The decision represents another escalation in the conflict, with signs growing that a fresh outbreak of violence is likely. Iraq continues to criticise its neighbours for the backing it says they have given to Washington and London, while American officials hint broadly that they believe the regime is on its last legs. The US Defense Department said yesterday that planes would be allowed to fire at radar sites even if they were not locking on to allied aircraft. To demonstrate the new tactics, a US aircraft fired a missile at an Iraqi radar site in the no-fly zone over northern Iraq yesterday, the fifth such episode in the past few weeks. The Pentagon said that, unlike previous such attacks, this was on an early-warning radar site, part of Iraq's integrated air defences. In the other cases, the US and Britain have said that their aircraft were targeted by surface-to-air missiles, and fired back. "The radar was seen as posing a threat to coalition forces in the area," said a Pentagon spokesman. Previously, early-warning radars were not attacked, though American and British pilots were allowed to fire at them if they felt they posed a threat. The war of words between Iraq and its neighbours spread yesterday as the Iraqi parliament accused Kuwait of backing insurgents against the regime. "The Iraqi National Assembly stressed that the governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are influential partners to the United States and Britain through presenting facilities for aggression on Iraq," said the official Iraqi News Agency. In particular, Kuwait was accused of "financing and supporting acts of killing and terrorism against the Iraqi people and its institutions through receiving agents and betrayers and publishing leaflets that incite conspiracies on Iraq." The US Defense Secretary, William Cohen, said that Saddam "is lashing out verbally, rhetorically, against the Saudis, against the Egyptians, against the Kuwaitis". He said this "would seem to indicate that he is certainly more agitated and frantic". =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Tuesday January 12, 8:30 PM Chemical and biological plants not targeted in Iraq raids: Jane's LONDON, Jan 12 (AFP) - The US-British air strikes on Iraq were not targeted at biological and chemical weapons for fear of releasing toxic substances into the air, according to Jane's Defence Weekly Tuesday. The military analysts' magazine reported that the US Department of Defense was developing munitions intended to incinerate such targets, but field tests were still several months away. The magazine also said London and Washington had proposed a strike list of 250 targets for Operation Desert Fox, but this was reduced so the strikes would not continue far into the holy Moslem month of Ramadan. In the end, said Jane's, US and British aircraft attacked 93 targets, destroying 14 and severely damaging another 26. Jane's also said that the withdrawal of UN weapons inspectors just before the attacks gave sufficient warning to the elite Republican Guards and military and security personnel to evacuate barracks and disperse valuable equipment. This contrasted with US-British claims of heavy damage to Iraq's military machine. Conflicting also with official British claim of taking part in 20 percent of all the strikes, Jane's said that of the 650 strike and support aircraft sorties flown, 622 were made by the Americans and just 28 by British Tornados. Regarding claims that hospitals and schools were hit and strike figures were inflated, Jane's declared: "Neither side offers solid proof. All that appears certain is that Operation Desert Fox shows a more concerted effort to make air strikes as surgically accurate as possible." The Iraqi response, said Jane's, was limited to short range surface-to-air missiles and heavy anti-aircraft artillery fire. No medium range missiles or fighters were launched. The magazine said that on December 28 and 30, Iraq fired Soviet-made SA-6 "Gainful" mobile surface-to-air missiles on American and British aircraft patrolling no-fly zones. It added that Baghdad appeared to have decided to conserve most of its surface-to-air missiles for after Desert Fox, knowing that each wave of strike aircraft would be protected by jammers, decoys and anti-radar missiles. Jane's predicted that in the future, rather than operating from bases close to Iraq, "the USA is clearly moving towards having the ability to
[CTRL] Mao, Kissinger, and Nixon
1. Mao thought little of his own thoughts ("Kissinger Transcripts"
renukes:
Mao / Nixon)http://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/4215205.htm
12jan99 - The Australian - By CAMERON STEWART in New York
IN their first meeting in 1972, the staunchly capitalist US
presidentRichard
Nixon lavished praise on Chinese leader Mao Zedong, describing him as a
professional philosopher whose writings had changed the world.
But Chairman Mao responded bluntly that his writings, which include The
Thoughts of Chairman Mao, had barely influenced China.
This strange exchange between the two leaders is one of many newinsights
into
the world of high diplomacy conducted during the Cold War, contained ina
forthcoming book The Kissinger Transcripts. Mao died in 1976 and Nixonin
1994.
The book contains newly released secret notes of meetings between thenUS
secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Soviet and Chinese leaders
duringthe
1970s. It reveals how, even in times of grave concern about
worldsecurity, US
and Communist leaders joked freely about liquor, women and
nuclearmissiles.
The Kissinger notes record the first nervous meeting between Nixon
andMao in
Beijing in February 1972, in which Nixon tells the Chinese leader:
"Ihave read
the Chairman's poems and speeches and I knew he was a
professionalphilosopher."
Mao replies: "Those writings of mine aren't anything. There is nothing
instructive in what I wrote."
Nixon: "The Chairman's writings moved a nation and have changed
theworld."
Mao: "I haven't been able to change it. I've only been able to change
afew
places in the vicinity of Beijing."
Later in the meeting, they engage in an equally odd exchange about
womenwhen
discussing Dr Kissinger's ability to conduct secret diplomacy.
Nixon: "He (Dr Kissinger) doesn't look like a secret agent. He is
theonly man
in captivity who could go to Paris 12 times and Peking (now known
asBeijing)
once and no one knew it, except possibly a couple of pretty
girls."(Prime
minister Zhou Enlai laughs.) . . .
Kissinger: "They didn't know it, I used it as a cover." Mao: "In Paris?"
Nixon: "Anyone who uses pretty girls as a cover must be the
greatestdiplomat
of all time." Mao: "So your girls are very often made use of?"
Nixon: "His girls, not mine. It would get me into great trouble if Iused
girls
as a cover." The book, extracts of which were published in The New York
Times,
reveals how
Mao, when he was near death in 1975, told Dr Kissinger that he
believedGod
preferred capitalists to communists.
Mao: "I am going to heaven soon . . . and when I see God, I'll tell
himit's
better to have Taiwan under the care of the US now."
Kissinger: "He'll be very astonished to hear that from the Chairman."
Mao: "No, because God blesses you, not us. God doesn't like us because
Iam a
militant warlord, also a communist. That's why he doesn't like me.
Helikesyou."
Kissinger: "I've never had the pleasure of meeting Him, so I don'tknow."
The book, based on records obtained by the US National Security
Archivein
Washington, shows how Dr Kissinger and then Soviet leader LeonidBrezhnev
joked
about nuclear missile warheads.
In 1974, as Dr Kissinger talked with Brezhnev, who died in 1982,
aboutMIRVs
(multiple independently targeted nuclear warheads), which were
newmissiles
capable of carrying 10 separate nuclear warheads the Soviet
leaderfiddled
with a dome-shaped object, which he popped open to reveal six
brasscartridges
pointing upwards.
Kissinger: "Is that an MIRV?" (Laughter) Brezhnev: "No, it's
forcigarettes.
It's more peaceful than it looks."
Kissinger later jokes: "What are 3000 MIRVs between friends."
In 1974, at a New York dinner with Chinese vice-premier Deng Xiaoping,Dr
Kissinger repeatedly toasts the vice-premier and then tells him: "Ithink
if we
drink enough mao tai (Chinese rice liquor), we can solve anything."Deng:
"Then
when I go back to China, I must increase production of it."
But despite the public jocularity, Dr Kissinger was scathing aboutSoviet
and
Chinese leaders in private. He called Soviet leaders "stupendous
liars"and "a
most unpleasant" group of people, while he described Chinese leaders
as"cold,
pragmatic bastards".
1. Mao thought little of his own thoughts ("Kissinger Transcripts"
renukes:
Mao / Nixon)http://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/4215205.htm
12jan99 - The Australian - By CAMERON STEWART in New York
IN their first meeting in 1972, the staunchly capitalist US
presidentRichard
Nixon lavished praise on Chinese leader Mao Zedong, describing him as a
professional philosopher whose writings had changed the world.
But Chairman Mao responded bluntly that his writings, which include The
Thoughts of Chairman Mao, had barely influenced China.
This strange exchange between the two leaders is one of many newinsights
into
the world of high diplomacy conducted
[CTRL] Turkey Bashes US Iraq Policy
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/i/AP-Turkey-Iraq.html By The Associated Press, January 12, 1999 ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Fearing renewed U.S.-Anglo attacks on Iraq,Turkey's new prime minister made it clear on Tuesday he would not allow Turkish basesto be used for any prolonged bombing of Iraq. In rare critical statements on U.S. policy, leftist leader Bulent Ecevit charged that Washington officials could not make up their minds on howto deal with Baghdad. The United States and Britain have used their planesstationed at the Incirlik air base in south Turkey to enforce a ``no-fly'' zone in northern Iraq since the end of the 1990-1991 Gulf War. But the allies must seek Turkey's permission to use the planes for anyother sort of strikes against Iraq. In the past Turkey has shown itself unwilling to grant permission -- butit has never openly openly ruled out allowing such use of the base in order notto offend its allies. But Ecevit, in an interview with private NTV television, came closerthan his predecessors ever have to doing so. ``There will be no change in the Incirlik status'' as a base forpatrolling the ``no-fly'' zone, he said. He then launched into a vocal criticism ofU.S. policy towards Iraq rarely heard from Turkish leaders. ``I am worried that air raids will increase after the end of Ramadan,''Ecevit said, referring to the Muslim holy month which ends on the sighting ofthe crescent moon, due in a few days. ``I think the United States does not have any decision regarding thekind of solution they want to see in Iraq,'' he said. ``While I hope Iraq will be in more accordance with the world, I alsohope that the United States will produce peaceful solutions,'' he said. Washington and London did not use the planes from Incirlik duringairstrikes last month. They avoided asking Turkey permission because they knew theywould be turned down, analysts say. While patrolling the ``no-fly'' zone, U.S. fighters from the base fired missiles at Iraqi radar sites three times this week. The United Statessaid the radar sites had targeted the planes. ``This is the excuse they are using,'' Ecevit said, adding that Turkeywas trying to check the U.S. accounts of the confrontations. Ecevit has in the past objected to U.S. attacks on Iraq and has visitedBaghdad to hold meetings with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. International policies on Iraq have become increasingly unpopular inTurkey, which says it has suffered politically and lost some $30 million intrade due to sanctions on Iraq. Presenting his government program on Tuesday, the veteran leftist Ecevitsaid he would ``give importance to strengthening relations'' with Washington. Ties to the United States were strained during Ecevit's first stint asprime minister in the 1970s. It was his administration that ordered the 1974invasion of Cyprus, which led to a four-year U.S. embargo on military sales andmilitary aid. A strongly pro-secular politician, Ecevit returned to power Monday afterthe previous government collapsed in a corruption scandal. He promised to uphold pro-secular policies against challenges fromIslamic political forces and ``accelerate'' economic integration with thebreakaway Turkish Cypriot state. He also said that Turkey would pursue a goal for European Unionmembership, but would not yield to any pressures from the 15-nation group. The European Union wants Turkey to improve its troubled human rightsrecord and improve its economy, hampered by chronic high inflation. Ecevit's government is expected to remain in power only until electionsApril18. 3. Turkey PM Bashes US Policy on Iraq http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/i/AP-Turkey-Iraq.html By The Associated Press, January 12, 1999 ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Fearing renewed U.S.-Anglo attacks on Iraq,Turkey's new prime minister made it clear on Tuesday he would not allow Turkish basesto be used for any prolonged bombing of Iraq. In rare critical statements on U.S. policy, leftist leader Bulent Ecevit charged that Washington officials could not make up their minds on howto deal with Baghdad. The United States and Britain have used their planesstationed at the Incirlik air base in south Turkey to enforce a ``no-fly'' zone in northern Iraq since the end of the 1990-1991 Gulf War. But the allies must seek Turkey's permission to use the planes for anyother sort of strikes against Iraq. In the past Turkey has shown itself unwilling to grant permission -- butit has never openly openly ruled out allowing such use of the base in order notto offend its allies. But Ecevit, in an interview with private NTV television, came closerthan his predecessors ever have to doing so. ``There will be no change in the Incirlik status'' as a base forpatrolling the ``no-fly'' zone, he said. He then launched into a vocal criticism ofU.S. policy towards Iraq rarely heard
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
In a message dated 1/14/99 9:03:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do not steal
How about stealing a humans' sovereignity
That's a "made up" crime and a "made up" sin... something you came up with on your
own, apparently... The bible quite clearly, in many passages, indicates that
capturing a person from another country is one of the means of obtaining
slaves and it does not condemn the act as evil or sinful.
The origin of the term "slave" is traced to the German sklave, meaning a captive
of the Slavonic race who had been forced into servitude (compare Slav)
Procuring of slaves: There are eight previously-listed methods, and now (9)
Capture in war.-- Thousands of men, women and children were taken in war as
captives and reduced, sometimes, to most menial slavery. Such slavery, however,
was more humane than wholesale butchery according to the customs of earlier times
Num 31:7-35. The two principal sources of slave supply were poverty in peace
and plunder in war.
Read particularly Numbers 31:25 - 29.
.Num 31:25-30
25 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
26 "You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathers' {households} of the
congregation, take a count of the booty that was captured, both of man and of
animal;
27 and divide the booty between the warriors who went out to battle and all the
congregation.
28 "And levy a tax for the LORD from the men of war who went out to battle, one in
five hundred of the persons and of the cattle and of the donkeys and of the sheep;
29 take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest, as an offering to
the LORD.
30 "And from the sons of Israel's half, you shall take one drawn out of every
fifty of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys and of the sheep, from all the
animals, and give them to the Levites who keep charge of the tabernacle of the
LORD."
(NAS)
Hawk
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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Short memory, hawk? I am sometimes afflicted with short memory... What are specifically addressing? hawk sez: I was in the USAF for almost seven years as a professional military officer and aviator. During three of those years, I was involved in what later became known as the "Delta Force," but which then was "Blue Triangle" and a couple of other secretive names. As such, I engaged in numerous "informal" wars, insurrections, and general mayhem for the govm't of the U.S. -- often not even allowed to wear the uniform (we called these "T-shirt and blue-jean missions). I was also in VietNam quite a bit, before the conflict became a "war." In all of those missions, we were directly involved on the "wrong" side, or were sticking our noses into other peoples' affairs, generally helping some dictatorial govm't obtain or maintain its harsh control over the populace. Then, for three more years, I was directly involved in intelligence gathering operations. For three years, every morning, I saw "raw intelligence" -- information that had not been "laundered" for public consumption. Not one time -- and I mean not even ONCE -- did the truth about what was going on reach the average American. We were lied to on a continual basis, and are being lied to at the present time. I was trained in the process of developing "cover stories" about things that happened, . . . Then dufus asked: Oh, Hypocrite, you didn't answer my query about your intel secret ops? Cat got your tongue? Hawk said: I don't think I saw any query about intel secret ops. OK... I still don't know what questions or query you asked about "intel secret ops." As for my response that I didn't know what you were talking about, not one time, in all my USAF career was what I did called "intel secret ops." Its a phrase you made up, so far as I know. You seem to "make up" quite a lot of stuff. Now, just what was it you wanted to know concerning what YOU call "intel secret ops"? Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Turkey Bashes US Iraq Policy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 2:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``While I hope Iraq will be in more accordance with the world, I alsohope that the United States will produce peaceful solutions,'' he said. Washington and London did not use the planes from Incirlik duringairstrikes last month. They avoided asking Turkey permission because they knew theywould be turned down, analysts say. Turkey is in bad trouble with the new US attitude here. They want to strengthen the Kurdish factions which are right on Turkey's border. Since the Kurds want the land that is Eastern Turkey, they may well use their new strength to attack that area. Turkey already has intense problems with the Kurds who live in East Turkey and who want to declare that part of Turkey as their own Kurdistan. Of course there are other Kurds who want their Kurdistan to take part of the Soviet Union and part of Jordan and part of Iran and part of Iraq. So the Turks are very nervous. They don't want to aid the US in letting the Kurds take their part of Kurdistan out of Turkey. When I was living in Diyarbakir, Turkey, the Kurds could play their music, speak their language and dance their dances. That still did not stop their desire for a sovereign nation of their own. I don't think there ever was a Kurdistan historically, but philosphically there certainly is. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Rehnquist Struts Latest Style In Judicial Robes]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/13/99 5:43:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you recall the old westerns when the US cavalry showed up they all had gold braids on the trumpet, flag, and on the shoulders. We know for certain that they were under martial law, for the federal government was governing the territories directly previous to them entering as states. Are you serious? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Torture in Israel - MER FlashBack
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/13/99 7:45:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any credibility here? Could be, Alamaine. Our own troops were dropping VC out of choppers to encourage other VC to talk. And that was when we had nothing on the line. The Israelis have plenty on the line. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 6:25:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/13/99 10:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious. Do you think the liberal left would mind some conservative dude said he would put up 1 million dollars for information about the Democrats and their sex lives? Kenneth Starr has already spent $40 million to get the sexual goods on President Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 10:59:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larry Flynt is a mushmouthed cripple The neonazis just can't help themselves. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Surprise! Bush for President in 2000
Ex-House Member Wants Bush for GOP WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two decades ago, as a freshman member of the House, Gerald B.H. Solomon tried to get his Republican colleagues to support Ronald Reagan for president over GOP primary opponent George Bush. Solomon, who recently retired from the House and is now a lobbyist, again is getting involved in presidential politics -- this time for Bush's son, Texas Gov. George W. Bush. While the governor has yet to disclose his presidential intentions for 2000, Solomon is trying to enlist his former colleagues in a Draft Bush movement. ``He is the most electable and one I think is almost guaranteed to be elected,'' Solomon said. ``He is a conservative with compassion. That's what Ronald Reagan was.'' Solomon said some lawmakers have already signed on, but he would not disclose any names. Bush is expected to make a decision on a presidential run in the spring.
Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector-
You sir are still a hypocrite and you are not a follower of Jesus AKA The
Christ.
Who wrote Corinthians?
Paul/Saul the persecuter and Roman stooge.
Do unto others as you would have them to do you.
What day do you keep as the sabbath?
In a message dated 1/14/99 11:16:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way, I looked up the bible passage that supports the position that
slavery
is not evil, but never-the-less, if a person can be free, it is a preferable
status.
1 Cor 7:19-21
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but {what matters
is}
the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let each man remain in that condition in which he was called.
21 Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able
also
to become free, rather do that.
(NAS)
Now, my position has been clearly stated a number of times, that slavery is
not
declared "evil" or "sinful" in the Bible.. I have also stated that I would
NOT
want to be a slave... I think verse 21, above, supports that position. Thus,
adhering to that position does not qualify me for the vaunted title of
"Hypocrite"
...
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris
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Re: [CTRL] Slave Documentation - H.H.
-Caveat Lector- Gee, You are pretty crafty with your answers there. Gosh , I just don't know but like I say you are a hypocrite coward still in the pocket of a corrupt government and military. Ignorant also. Om K In a message dated 1/14/99 11:35:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Short memory, hawk? I am sometimes afflicted with short memory... What are specifically addressing? hawk sez: I was in the USAF for almost seven years as a professional military officer and aviator. During three of those years, I was involved in what later became known as the "Delta Force," but which then was "Blue Triangle" and a couple of other secretive names. As such, I engaged in numerous "informal" wars, insurrections, and general mayhem for the govm't of the U.S. -- often not even allowed to wear the uniform (we called these "T-shirt and blue-jean missions). I was also in VietNam quite a bit, before the conflict became a "war." In all of those missions, we were directly involved on the "wrong" side, or were sticking our noses into other peoples' affairs, generally helping some dictatorial govm't obtain or maintain its harsh control over the populace. Then, for three more years, I was directly involved in intelligence gathering operations. For three years, every morning, I saw "raw intelligence" -- information that had not been "laundered" for public consumption. Not one time -- and I mean not even ONCE -- did the truth about what was going on reach the average American. We were lied to on a continual basis, and are being lied to at the present time. I was trained in the process of developing "cover stories" about things that happened, . . . Then dufus asked: Oh, Hypocrite, you didn't answer my query about your intel secret ops? Cat got your tongue? Hawk said: I don't think I saw any query about intel secret ops. OK... I still don't know what questions or query you asked about "intel secret ops." As for my response that I didn't know what you were talking about, not one time, in all my USAF career was what I did called "intel secret ops." Its a phrase you made up, so far as I know. You seem to "make up" quite a lot of stuff. Now, just what was it you wanted to know concerning what YOU call "intel secret ops"? Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Air Apparent
-Caveat Lector- : Subject: "Air" Apparent : Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:18 PM : : : Joke du Jour (tm) Set 1. Volume 13; Issue 14. Jan 14, 1999 : : Michael Jordan quitting basketball? That's another era : passing. Well, he can still play golf, can't he? : : LadyHawke : ~*~*~*~*~*~* : : "Super Golf Ball" : : Michael Jordan, playing a round by himself, is about to tee : off, and a greasy little salesman runs up to him, and yells, : "Wait! Before you tee off, I have something really : amazing to show you!" : : The golfer, annoyed, says, "What is it?" : : "It's a special golf ball," says the salesman. "You can : *never* lose it!" : : "What do you mean," scoffs Michael, "you can never lose : it? What if you hit it into the water?" : : "No problem," says the salesman. "It floats, and it detects : where the shore is, and spins towards it." : : "Well, what if you hit it into the woods?" : : "Easy," says the salesman. "It emits a beeping sound, : and you can find it with your eyes closed." : : "Okay," says the golfer, impressed. "But what if your : round goes late and it gets dark?" : : "No problem, sir, this golf ball glows in the dark! I'm telling : you, you can never lose this golf ball!" : : Michael Jordan buys it at once. "Just one question," he : says to the salesman. "Where did you get it?" : : "Oh, I found it." : : ~~~ : : "Michael Jordan's Legacy" : : Michael Jordan used to make over $300,000 a game: : $10,000 a minute assuming he averaged about 30 : minutes a game. : : Assuming $40 million in endorsements next year, he : was making $178,100 a day, working or not. : : Assuming he slept 7 hours per night, he made $52,000 : every night while visions of sugarplums danced in his head. : : If he went to a movie, it cost him $9.00 (with no popcorn), : but he made $18,550 while he was there. : : If he decided to have a 5 minute egg, he made $618.00 : while it was boiling. : : He made $7,415.00 per hour more than the minimum wage. : : He made $3,710.00 while watching an episode of 'Friends.' : : If he wanted to save up for a new Acura NSX (90,000), it : would take him a whole12 hours. : : If someone had to hand him his salary and endorsement : money, they would have to hand him $2.00 every second. : : He probably paid around $200.00 for a nice round of golf : but he was reimbursed $33,390.00 for that round. : : If you were given a tenth of a penny for every dollar he : made, you'd be living comfortably at $65,000.00 per year. : : Last year, he made twice as much as all of our past : presidents for all their terms combined. : : Amazing isn't it? : : BUT: JORDAN WILL HAVE TO SAVE 100% OF HIS : INCOME FOR 270 YEARS TO HAVE A NET WORTH : EQUIVALENT TO THAT OF BILL GATES. : : Translation: Nerds Rule! : : : : Joke du Jour is spreading FREE sexy Laughter (and more!) : to 134 Countries on Seven Continents! A Joke a Day keeps : the Doctor away! Or was it an Apple a day? H... : : To SUBSCRIBE, please send a blank e-mail to : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : You must be over 18 to subscribe to this list. : : When forwarding, please keep ABOVE section : of the *signature* INTACT. Thank you. : : AER : : The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking : new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material : is distributed without charge or profit to those who have : expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information : for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] MEDIA ALERT: OBSESSED WITH SEX CANDAL,REPORTERS IGNORE MAJORITY LEADER'S PUBLIC
-Caveat Lector- See last paragraph of article then condier adding: "... or impeachment." AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. -- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [FAIR-L] MEDIA ALERT: OBSESSED WITH SEX CANDAL,REPORTERS IGNORE MAJORITY LEADER'S PUBLIC : Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:05 PM : : :-- : FAIR-L : Fairness Accuracy in Reporting :Media analysis, critiques and news reports :-- : : : : January 12, 1998 : : OBSESSED WITH SEX SCANDAL, : REPORTERS IGNORE MAJORITY LEADER'S PUBLIC SCANDAL : : Washington Post Reporter Columnists Take up Slack : : While reporters spent most of 1998 covering a presidential : scandal--which consisted of a sexual affair and deceptive statements : made to cover it up--a public scandal involving Senate Majority Leader : Trent Lott, including deceptive statements by Lott's office, has managed : to avoid coverage by most national news reporters. : : Despite Lott's increased importance as the Senate impeachment trial : begins, the Washington Post's Thomas B. Edsall stands alone among : national reporters investigating Lott's long-term ties to a racist : organization. Though several columnists have also written on the : scandal-notably Stanley Crouch of the New York Daily News and Colbert I. : King of the Washington Post-so far, no TV network has covered the story. : (FAIR has provided documentation on this story to several journalists, : including Edsall and Crouch.) : : Furthermore, Lott has misled the public through his spokesman. One month : ago, when reporters raised questions about Sen. Lott's ties to the : Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), Lott's press secretary, John : Czwartacki, told the L.A. Times (12/13/98) that Lott "vaguely" : remembered speaking to the group "over a decade ago" before he was a : senator. He added that Lott "doesn't consider himself a member. Nor does : he have first-hand familiarity or knowledge of their views." : : The record, however, casts doubt on Lott's account, and his claim he had : no "first-hand knowledge" of the CCC. Here's what's known: : : 1997: Lott holds a private meeting with the CCC in his DC office : 1997: Lott endorsement of the CCC is circulated in the group's : literature : 1995: Lott addresses the Mississippi chapter of the CCC : 1992: Lott praises the group as keynote speaker at the CCC's national : convention : 1991: Lott addresses the Mississippi chapter of the CCC : 1989: Lott appears in CCC publication Citizens Informer with his uncle, : a CCC executive, and cousin, a member : 1990-1998: The Citizens Informer publishes Senator Lott's column : : Though his press secretary told the Washington Post (12/16/98) Lott now : repudiates the CCC, serious questions remain unanswered and *no : reporter* has interviewed the Majority Leader *directly* on his : involvement with the group. FAIR's Program Director, Janine Jackson : commented, "This story is about a powerful elected official and his : public associations; journalists owe it to the public to give it the : serious treatment it deserves. African-Americans in particular have a : right to ask why questions of racism among the powerful don't rise to : the level of the newsworthy." : : (For a record of the CCC's bigotry, see FAIR's web updates at : http://www.fair.org/press-releases/lott-update.html or visit the Temple : of Democracy web site at: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~crawfsh/CofCC.htm , or : see Washington Post news articles of 12/12, 12/16 12/19/98) : : :-- : : : Feel free to respond to FAIR ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). We can't reply to : everything, but we will look at each message. We especially appreciate : documented example of media bias or censorship. All messages to the : 'FAIR-L' list will be forwarded to the editor of the list. : : Also, please send copies of email correspondence, including any responses, to : us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . : : Feel free to spread this message around. Put it on conferences : where it is appropriate. We depend on word of mouth to get our message : out, so please let others know about FAIR and this mailing list. : : Don't miss a single email from FAIR-L. : To subscribe to FAIR-L send a "subscribe FAIR-Lenter your full name" : command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Re: [CTRL] Clinton's Don't Look Down Economy
-Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is cleverly done by eliminating the middle class. MJ: Horse hockey ... let's see the numbers to back up this rhetoric. Regard$, --MJ The long-range solution [to high unemployment] is to increase the incentive for ordinary people to save, invest, work, and employ others ... We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork. -- Milton Friedman, U.S. News and World Report; March 7, 1977 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: Congratulations, you've picked up one of the Big Media's subtle propaganda signals: discredit Linda Tripp. Here's some more in case you haven't figured them out yet: Monica: good, victim, sympathetic figure; Yes, remember when this all broke, and the Clintonistas were all over Ms. Lewinsky as 'that stalker', etc. -- all the jokes about how 'fat' she was, how 'ugly' she is, etc. etc. You see the same thing at work with Paula Jones, all the comments on how ugly she is, speculation about nose jobs, etc. (So much for the lip-service these people make regarding women's rights, they are the WORST when it comes to evaluating women solely on their looks)... But now that Lewinsky is coming off as 'a good girl', e.g. she's kept her mouth shut and hasn't been running off to the tabloids to tell her story, well now their spin is to present her in a more sympathetic light, which means laying off on the 'fat chick' jokes...but now it's Linda Tripp's turn, big bad Linda Tripp who 'tricked' Lewinsky into leaving incriminating statements on tape... Quite frankly, Blackwell's always been a big nothing -- I mean, do you ever hear of the guy any time except when he comes out with his list? He's not a professional designer (altho he may like to make that claim), and when it comes down to it, he could put all of Washington DC on his worst dressed list... And that includes Hillary, whom he put on his best dressed -- those pantsuits of hers are laughable, make her look like some PTA matron circa 1978, and emphasizes how 'broad in the beam' she's gotten... Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. There's something to astrology, when it comes to describing people's personalities, and how they will act/react in certain situations Hillary Clinton is a Scorpio, which can manifest as either an eagle or a snakeshe seems to definitely be in the 'snake' vibration of Scorpio, coldly eying the opposition, assessing the opportune moment to strike... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Get the President removed from Office
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://petition.snaapp.net/"petition.snaapp.net means that you get heard!/A http://petition.snaapp.net/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton's Don't Look Down Economy
-Caveat Lector- The facts are in the report I was responding to. While no where in the document does it say the words "the middle class is shrinking" one can infer from the numbers that this is happening. Hilary -Original Message- From: M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Clinton's "Don't Look Down" Economy -Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is cleverly done by eliminating the middle class. MJ: Horse hockey ... let's see the numbers to back up this rhetoric. Regard$, --MJ The long-range solution [to high unemployment] is to increase the incentive for ordinary people to save, invest, work, and employ others ... We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes nonwork. -- Milton Friedman, U.S. News and World Report; March 7, 1977 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Confirmed: Dollar Threatened
-Caveat Lector- CONFIRMED: DOLLAR THREATENED (CNNS, 01/14/99) -- On May 5, 1994, Larry Nichols, former marketing director of the Arkansas Development and Finance Authority (ADFA), gave an interview to Tom Donahue, then the host of a radio show called "America's Town Forum." Nichols, at that time, had been advocating the case of the then-unknown Paula Corbin Jones. In Nichols' interview with Donahue, he discussed how his advocacy of the Jones case had led to worried calls from Wall Street: LARRY NICHOLS: ... I got 5 calls from Wall Street, whatever you call 'em, brokerage firm people, wanting to know if the Paula Jones suit was gonna be filed. And I said, "Yes, I believe it is." They said, "Well you can't do that, basically, because the dollar versus the yen," (whatever that means), "is like at 100 and, one more scandal is going to destroy the dollar- yen whatever." [CN 1.42] The Wall Street callers were worried that the explosion of a scandal connected with the Clinton presidency might weaken the Dollar. Recently, the case of Danny Williams, rumored to be the illegitimate son of Bill Clinton, was much in the news. When results from DNA tests indicated that Bill Clinton was not the father of Danny Williams, it is apparent that this was good news for the strength of the Dollar. Had the DNA tests shown Clinton as the father of Danny Williams, the resultant public distress probably would have weakened the Dollar on world markets. The question arises as to whether, to preserve the value of the Dollar, the Danny Williams DNA tests were "fudged." In a CNNS press release dated Jan. 6, 1999, we reported on information received by "Ru Mills" (pseudonym), in which one of her sources had informed her that, with the inauguration of the new European currency, the "Euro," Federal Reserve Notes -- the Dollar -- were in trouble. CNNS in that press release contemplated a "dollar crash." ["'Euro' Bound To Impact World Economies," CNNS, 1/6/99] A "dollar crash" would, in effect, be a drastic devaluation of the Dollar. Such monetary devaluations have recently occurred in Russia, Mexico, and now in Brazil. With the monetary unit worth less, that translates into a major price increase for goods. So, for example, were the U.S. Dollar to crash, a gallon of milk now costing $2.50 might instead suddenly cost $5.00. In a CNNS press release dated Jan. 9, 1999, we again warned of the possibility of a crash in the Dollar. Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin has pledged that the U.S. will support the Dollar, but market forces are ultimately more powerful than even the mighty Treasury Secretary. Now, an article in The Nation magazine corroborates earlier-stated fears that the Dollar could be forced into a drastic decline. In "The Dollar's Day Of Reckoning," Lester C. Thurow, a professor of management and economics at M.I.T. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), warns that the Euro will have "far-reaching consequences for American monetary and fiscal policy." [The Nation, Jan. 11/18, 1999.] Citing the Dollar's plunge in value which occurred circa 1994-95 (the time frame where Nichols had been contacted), Professor Thurow notes that -- back then -- although the Dollar had been "hammered," falling from 115 yen to nearly 80 yen, there was then no "stampede" to "get out." Back then, says Thurow, there was no alternative currency seductive enough to cause Capital to flee the Dollar. But this is no longer the case. The Euro now provides an attractive alternative haven for Capital. Furthermore, Thurow argues, the U.S. "runs a trade deficit in excess of $200 billion and is a net debtor owing foreigners $1.5 trillion. Europe, by contrast, runs a trade surplus with the rest of the world, and is owed about $1 trillion." This, says Thurow, helps make the Euro "a more appealing choice. And with that choice comes the possibility of a run on the dollar." In a delicate corollary, it must be broached that Bill Clinton's current impeachment troubles are themselves threatening the Dollar. In the face of potential disaster, with the Dollar seemingly hanging by a thread, why is it that Bill Clinton clings so tenaciously to power? The other side of the question is, of course, with the Dollar threatened, why are Republicans so insistent on impeaching Bill Clinton? Neither side is likely to budge, but in the stand-off, Bill Clinton, as a lone individual, clearly has more of an ability to overcome inertia and yield than does the U.S. Congress, a collective body. In a breaking development, information received by this news service suggests that upper class black Americans have made the decision to abandon Bill Clinton. It is not clear whether Vernon
[CTRL] references
-Caveat Lector- Here are some references you might want to check out. Bibliography Primary Sources: Chastellux, Marquis de. Travels in North American the Years 1780, 1781 and 1782, 2 vols. Howard C. Rice, ed. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, for the Institute for Early American History and Culture, Williamsburg, Va., 1963. Hamilton, Alexander, James Madison, and John Jay. The Federalist Papers. Clinton Rossiter, ed. New York: New American Library, 1961. "James Madison's Attitude toward the Negro: Advice given Negroes a Century Ago." The Journal of Negro History. VI (January, 1921): 74-102. Jennings, Paul. A Colored Man's Reminiscences of James Madison. Brooklyn: George C. Beadle, 1865. Levasseur, Auguste. Lafayette in America in 1824 and 1825: or Journals of Travels in the United States. vol. 1. Translated from the French. New York: White, Galaher White; et als., 1829. Madison, James. The Papers of James Madison. Hutchinson, William T. et als, eds. Chicago and Charlottesville: University of Chicago Press and University Press of Virginia, 1962-. . The Writings of James Madison, comprising His Public Papers, and His Private Correspondence, Including Numerous Letters and Documents Now for the First Time Printed. Vols VII - IX. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1908-10. . Letters and Other Writings of James Madison, Fourth President of the United States, 4 Vols. Published by the Order of Congress. Philadelphia: J. B. Lippincott Co., 1865. . Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, Reported by James Madison. Bicentennial ed., with introduction by Adrienne Koch, New York: W. W. Norton Co., p. d. Martineau, Harriet. Retrospect of Western Travel, 2 vol. London: Saunders and Otley, 1838; reprinted 1948. Miller, Ann L., ed. Visitors to Mr. Madison: Accounts of Early Nineteenth Century Visitors to Montpelier. Unfinished edition of the Montpelier Monograph Series, . Secondary Sources: Alexander, Archibald. A History of Colonization on the Western Coast of Africa. Philadelphia: William S. Martin, 1869; reprint, New York: Negro University Press, 1969. Berkeley, Edmund, Jr. "Prophet Without Honor: Christopher McPherson, Free Person of Color." Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 77 (April 1969): 180-90. Brant, Irving. James Madison, 6 vols. Indianapolis: The Bobbs-Merrill Co., Inc., 1941-61. Eaton, Clement. A History of the Old South: The Emergence of a Reluctant Nation, 3d ed. Prospect Heights, Ill.: Waveland Press, 1975. Grinnan, A. G. "The Burning of Eve." Virginia Magazine of History and Biography. 3 (January, 1896): 308-10. Ketcham, Ralph. James Madison: A Biography. New York: Macmillian Publishing Co., 1971; reprint, Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1990. Koch, Adrienne. Madison's "Advice to My Country". Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1966. McCoy, Drew R. The Last of the Fathers: James Madison and the Republican Legacy. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1989. Mellon, Matthew T. Early American Views on Negro Slavery: From the Letters and Papers of the Founders of the Republic. Boston: Meador Publishing Company, 1934. Meyers, Marvin, ed. The Mind of the Founder: Sources of the Political Thought of James Madison. Hanover: University Press of New England, 1981. Peterson, Merrill D., ed. James Madison: A Biography in His Own Words. The Founding Fathers Series. New York: Newsweek, 1974. Rutland, Robert Allen. The Presidency of James Madison. Lawrence: University Press of Kansas, 1990. . James Madison: The Founding Father. New York: Macmillian Publishing Co., 1987. Scott, W. W. A History of Orange County, Virginia: From its Formation in 1734 (O. S.) to the end of Reconstruction in 1870; compiled mainly from Original Records. Richmond, Va.: Everett Waddey, Co., 1907; reprint, Berryville, Va.: Chesapeake Book Co., 1962. Slaughter, Philip. The Virginian History of African Colonization. Freeport, N. Y.: Books for Libraries Press, 1970. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL
[CTRL] Fw: [endsecrecy] Sickening Contrails -Proof of military connection!
-Caveat Lector- ---Original Message- From: Johnny Asia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:13 PM Subject: [endsecrecy] Sickening Contrails -Proof of military connection! MYSTERIOUS SPRAYING SAID TO BE SECRET-MILITARY OPERATION Observe this military-Weather-Warfare webpage: http://www.au.af.mil/au/database/research/ay1996/acsc/96-025ag.htm it says: "In the US, weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications." That indicates that weather modifications classified as "national security" (probably secret) operations are planned to occur within the United States. If witnesses across the US are seeing cloud-seeding operations conducted by Air Force jets, it seems that such secret Ops may be happening right now. This page gives a governmental definition of "security": http://glossary.its.bldrdoc.gov/fs-1037/dir-032/_4740.htm "[2] With respect to classified matter, the con- dition that prevents unauthorized persons from having access to official information that is safeguarded in the interests of national security." So when the first military webpage says domestic weather-control Ops will be a subset of "national security policy" it suggests they could be secret. If this nationwide military-cloud-seeding operation has been happening for over a year, or even as far back as the late 1970's (as one witnesses told ENS), and the only way news of this surfaces to the people is either by direct witness, rumor, or out-of-the-way and alternative-news sources, this suggests a uniform news blackout is being conducted by the major media, and that media heads must be "authorized persons." This situation reminds me of the "Truth by Decree" essay: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/decree.htm Common Sense Almanac http://come.to/commonsense The First Church of Common Sense http://come.to/tfcocs ^^ ( \__/ ) ( \ (^^) / ) ( \ () / ) ( ( / \ ) ) /\ ( ) Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse! For the absolute lowest price on Computer Hardware visit: http://ads.egroups.com/click/56/0/bottomdollar eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/endsecrecy Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Secret societies 1776-1871 reading list - comments?
From: Mike Lacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having finally managed to get hold of a copy of the reading list for a course in Secret societies and the revolutionary movement in Europe, 1776-1871, offered at a prominent University in the UK in the early 1990's (and possibly still going now, although this reading list dates from the early '90's), I would appreciate any listees comments on it. Primarily as a medievalist I am at a loss with this time period, and feel it time for some self improvement - any comments on this reading list, and recommendations from it, are most welcome. Cheers, Mike Secret Societies and the Revolutionary Movement in Europe 1776-1871 School of History Optional Unit HIST 360 Recommended Reading Students taking this course are urged to read the first two books on the reading list as soon as possible. Unless otherwise indicated, nearly all the listed books/articles/photocopies can be found in the Short Loan Collection in the University Library. Introductory Works: J.M. Roberts: The mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) N.H. Webster: Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (1964) N.H. Webster: World Revolution: the Plot against Civilisation (1921) N. Cohn: Warrant for Genocide (1967) N. Cohn: Europe's Inner Demons (1974) R. Hofstadter: The Paranoid Style in American Politics (1966) G.S. Wood: Conspiracy and the Paranoid Style: Causality and Deceit in the Eighteenth Century, The William and Mary Quarterly (1982), 401-441 General Works: R. Partner: The Murdered Magicians: the Templars and their Myth (1982) C.W. Heckthorn: Secret Societies of all Ages and Countries (1875) J.H. Lepper: Famous Secret Societies (n. d.) H. Vivian: Secret Societies, Old and New (1927) A. Deraul: Secret Societies: Yesterday and Today (1966) N. MacKenzie: Secret Societies (1967) I. Wilkins and H. Strydom: The Broederbond (1979) S. Knight: The Brotherhood; the Secret World of the Freemasons (1984) R.J. Goldstein: Political Repression in Nineteenth-Century Europe (1983) J.H. Billington: Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith (1980) Seminar 1: The Psychology of Belief in Secret Societies: J.M. Roberts: The Mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) N.H. Webster: Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (1964) R. Hofstadter: The Paranoid Style in American Politics (1966) Seminar 2: The Origins of Freemasonry: J.M. Roberts: The Mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) esp. chapters 2-4 D. Knoop and G.P. Jones: The Genesis of Freemasonry (1957) D. Stevenson: The Origins of Freemasonry. Scotland's Century (1988) R. Partner: The Murdered Magicians: the Templars and their Myth (1982) N. MacKenzie: Secret Societies (1967) esp. chapters 6-7 S. Knight: The Brotherhood: the Secret World of the Freemasons (1984) pp. 1-45 Seminar 3: Enlightenment and Freemasonry on the Continent: M.C. Jacob: The Radical Enlightenment: Pantheists, Freemasons and Republicans (1981) J.M. Roberts: The Mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) esp. chapter 5 K. Epstein: The Genesis of German Conservatism (1975) R. Shackleton: The Encyclopedie and Freemasonry, in W.H. Barber, et. al The Age of the Enlightenment: Studies presented to Theodore Bestermann" (1967) C. Garret: Swedenborg and the mystical Enlightenment In late Eighteenth-Century England, Journal of the History of Ideas, 45 (1984) C. Garret: Respectable Folly: Millenarians and the French Revolution in France and England E. Stoeffler: German Pietism during the Eighteenth Century (1914) Seminar 4: The Illuminati and Attacks on Freemasonry: J.M. Roberts: The Mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) N.H. Webster: Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (1964) J.H. Lepper: Famous Secret Societies (n. d.) esp. chapter 15 R. Le Forrestier: Les Illumines de Baviere et la Franc-maconnerie allemande (1914, reprinted 1974) V. Stauffer: New England and the Bavarian Illuminati (1918) Seminar 5: The Impact of the French Revolution: A. Goodwin: The French Revolution (1953) N. Hampson: The French Revolution: a Concise History (1975) N. Hampson: The First European Revolution (1969) W. Doyle: The Oxford History of the French Revolution (1989) M. Lyons: The Directory (1975) Seminar 6: The Plot Theory of the Revolution: J.M. Roberts: The Mythology of the Secret Societies (1974) esp. pp. 181-213 M. Williams: Revolutions, 1775-1830 (1971) esp. pp. 30-33 J. Robison: Proofs of a Conspiracy against all the Religions and Governments (1797) J. Robison: New Light on Jacobinism (1798) W. Playfair: The History of Jacobinism, its Crimes etc. (1796) A. Barruel: Memoires pour servir a l'histoire du jacobinisme (1798) A. Barruel: A History of Jacobinism (1797-98) K. Epstein: The Genesis of German Conservatism (1975) esp. chapters 9-10 M.L. Kennedy: The Jacobin Clubs in the French Revolution, the First Years (1982) C. Brinton: The Jacobins: an Essay in the New History (1961) esp. chapter 2 V. Stauffer: New England and the Bavarian Illuminati (1918) esp.
Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell
-Caveat Lector- Jim Condit Jr. wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yea, and Chelsea, the hideous Madelyn Albright, and the hard-faced Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Or) all make Paula Jones look like a Baywatch Babe --- but you never hear that spin. Congratulations, you've picked up one of the Big Media's subtle propaganda signals: discredit Linda Tripp. Here's some more in case you haven't figured them out yet: Monica: good, victim, sympathetic figure; Betty Currie, good, victim, honorable woman (HA!), Alan Greenspan: good, wise, wiser than wise (incidentally, aligator skinned Alan Greenspan makes John Wayne Gacey look like a Matinee star, chew on that one awhile from the point of view of your above joke); I could go on, but the implication of all the "jokes" about the very courageous Linda Tripp is that you can't be good if you look so awkward on camera. . Finally, and this is no joke, -- watch Hillary's eyes -- she looks like she's moving ever closer to the need for a full blown exorcism. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mr. Blackwell -Caveat Lector- You have to admit one thing -- Linda Tripp makes Hillary look like a Baywatch Babe! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Madeline Albright reminds me of the evil octopus lady in Little Mermaid. Rick DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Understanding Republicans ///
-Caveat Lector- MJ: It is an effort to CONTROL behaviors based NOT upon freedom and liberty. [ALL non-property 'crimes' are revenue generators :) ] Edward Britton wrote: Agreed, but never contested. We were discussing ways, APART from the punishment of/for criminals that Republicans support social intervention. MJ: The Republican effort is NOT to create criminals but to affect behavior by appealing to the 'law abiding' NOT to participate in the 'illicit' behaviors which make up their social engineering. It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -- Thomas Jefferson Notes on the State of Virginia -- Query XVII The Rs believe those items previously listed to NOT be within their social design ... how else does one ensure others are not participating in them? Make it economically non-feasible? MJ: The 'theft and plunder' relate to unconstitutional efforts of our government which is operating beyond their mandate (to the tune of at least 85% of what they do fitting this category). Edward Britton wrote: Interesting! Please elaborate on this 85 per cent in terms of social programs. MJ: Anything which does NOT serve to protect ALL citizens from force and fraud provides one or more a legislated advantage. Recent budget allocation ... where the money is distributed: .50 Payments to Individuals .15 National Defense .15 Grants to States Localities .14 Net Interest .05 Other Federal Operations .01 Reserve Pending Social Security Reform MJ: I also believe in charity -- the REAL kind. Edward Britton wrote: You are one of the few who profess such ideologies who does believe in charity. Here's hoping there are more of you. I would prefer that the government did not have to involve itself in social programs, but, unfortunately, there are not enough charitable souls to take care of an otherwise overwhelming need. MJ: It is BECAUSE of this 'help' that the problem is as widespread, other facilitators have dropped the ball and the problem will NEVER be rectified. ONLY private charity has he incentive to truly 'help'. MJ: Libertarians oppose criminalization of drugs, prostitution, gambling, censorship ... the Republicans favor these. Edward Britton wrote: I have read the enclosed treatise twice now, and I still insist that there is a chasm of difference between theory/ideology and practice: most Libertarian speakers I have heard on the subject of controlled substances (including prostitutes :-))--save marijuana--tout the Republican party line regarding its continued illegality and the punishment for the use and sale thereof. MJ: I would say your sample/study is flawed. :) MJ: Then Ron Paul's recent PRIVACY legislation will pass both the Senate AND the House since they hold the majority? I would be interested in the BASIS for this conclusion you hold. Edward Britton wrote: As noble as Paul's proposed legislation is (remarkable given the current legislative climate), it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. But how did you infer the negative of this opinion from what I wrote?? MJ: I am simply citing the STARK difference between Republicans and Libertarians ... Republicans have little resemblence of the latter choosing instead the Statist tendencies of their cohorts (D) ONLY in a slightly different path. Regard$, --MJ We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt ends -- the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder it. -- Friedrich Engels DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FLYNT UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR FEDERAL CRIME: 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Tat for tit? Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:478636"FLYNT UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR FEDERAL CRIME: 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505/A - Subject: FLYNT UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR FEDERAL CRIME: 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505 From: Koleshak--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jan 14, 1999 7:03 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LANDMARK FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST FLYNT AND MOLDEA WITH CRIMINAL DIVISION Mark Levin/e-mail 11/14/99 Mark Levin NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Eric Christensen January 14, 1999 Landmark Legal Foundation Files Complaint Against Flynt and His Private Eye (Herndon, VA) Landmark Legal Foundation today formally asked the Criminal Division of the Justice Department, the Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division, and the United States Attorney for the District Columbia, to open immediately a federal criminal investigation into possible violations of Title 18, Section 1505 of the United States Criminal Code. 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1505 states, in part: Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress - shall [be fined not more than $250,000 and/or imprisoned not more than five years per violation]. Landmark president, Mark R. Levin, said, "We believe Larry Flynt and his private detective, Dan Moldea, are, and have been, attempting to corruptly influence the congressional impeachment process. They are apparently attempting to stop Republican members of Congress from criticizing during the impeachment-trial proceedings by threatening to disclose embarrassing personal information purchased by Flynt. This appears to violated federal law. The Criminal Division of the Justice Department has the duty, and the jurisdiction, to put an end to these coercive tactics." Landmark is a public interest law firm and ethics watchdog group with offices in Herndon, VA and Kansas City, MO. Copies of Landmark's complaint are available to the media upon request. END FREE REPUBLIC: http://209.67.114.212/ - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Anarchism - Humanity's Safety Net?
-Caveat Lector- from : http://maxpages.com/anarchism - As always, Caveat Lector. FYI Om K - A HREF="http://maxpages.com/anarchism"Education -- Anarchism -- http://maxpages.com/a /A - Anarchism - Humanity's Safety Net Anarchism is the anti-political philosophy that rejects the State as evil. The State is defined by archeologists as a monopoly of force over a geographic area(1). It has been shown to have been created only through violence and coercion (2). But the State has only existed for a few thousand years compared to the millions of years of human evolution.Thus,the State is an unnecessary evil. Humanity has shown that it Can exist and function without the State for hundreds of millenia.(3) 1. Embers, CE Embers, M (1985) Cultural Anthropology 2. Carneiro, RL (1970) SCIENCE 169: 733-738 3. Barclay, H (1990) PEOPLE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT: An Anthropology of Anarchy (Left Bank) Given the violence and terror that is characteristic of governments and ruling classes it is ironic that those who oppose the State, the Anarchists, are falsely called terrorists. In fact, real anarchy cannot be created through violent revolution. Violence would merely re-create a monopoly of force, i.e., a State and ruling class. We have been brought to the brink of extinction by the nuclear terrorism invented and nurtured by the State. Humanity has an ultimate safety net against statist terror: anarchism. Through nonviolent means we can scientifically and socially discredit the State and save our species and the biosphere. Relevant Links Anarchist Studies (Refereed Journal) http://www.erica.demon.co.uk/AS.html Essays in Libertarian and Anarchist Thought http://www.anarchista.com/essays/index.html A-Infos : Anarchist News Service http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ Internet Anarchist University http://burn.ucsd.edu/~mai/iau.html Project Chameleon : @narchist paradigms http://maxpages.com/chameleon International Libertarian Network http://maxpages.com/libertarian radical libertarian international forum http://www.delphi.com/rli - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: John Elrod Article
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Robert Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.assassination.jfk.uncensored Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: John Elrod Article This is an interesting article from the Memphis Commercial Appeal, about John Elrod. As you read the article, notice that the Sheriff's office specifically stated that, "Elrod was sober" when he came to them, and that they were impressed enough with him to tell the FBI that he he had "information of value". In fact, the local Sheriff was impressed enough with Elrod to bypass the local FBI office and write directly to Hoover. Unfortunately, the FBI took a somewhat different attitude about Elrod's story. They falsely claimed in their report, that Elrod wasn't even in the Dallas jail on 11/22/63, and they tried to create the impression that Elrod never mentioned Oswald's name, only referring to an "unnamed cellmate". Of course, the Sheriff's report, as well as a recently discovered internal FBI memo confirmed that they were fully aware that Elrod was talking about Oswald. Memphis Commercial Appeal (Nov. 10, 1997) By Bartholomew Sullivan On Aug. 11, 1964, just after midnight, a troubled man stumbled into the Shelby County Sheriff's Department in downtown Memphis, carrying a sawed-off shotgun. He had a story to tell about Lee Harvey Oswald. John Franklin Elrod gave his story to a sergeant on duty, A. C. Gilless. Thirty-three years later, Gilless, now sheriff, can't recall the incident but says that, under the circumstances, he's surprised he can't remember. "1964? Lord have mercy. That's 33 years ago," he said. What Elrod told Gilless and then the FBI could go far in debunking the official explanation of Oswald's televised murder two days after President John F. Kennedy was killed, according to a new book on the case, Oswald Talked: The New Evidence in the Kennedy Assassination. Among the revelations: Oswald knew his own killer, Jack Ruby. According to the book and documents now available from the National Archives and Records Administration in Washington, Elrod was Oswald's Dallas cellmate between the time the accused assassin was arrested and the time Oswald was shot to death by strip-club owner Ruby while being taken down to the garage of the Dallas County jail. The book indicates Oswald was probably an FBI informant who'd infiltrated a Cuban exile group that was buying stolen guns in Texas. According to Elrod, Oswald said Ruby was part of the gunrunning ring, as was another man paraded before the jail cell bars for Oswald to identify, authors Mary and Ray LaFontaine say in their book. A Dallas police report released to The Commercial Appeal under the Freedom of Information Act says Elrod was arrested Nov. 22, 1963 - the day Kennedy was killed - at 2:45 p.m. "on railroad tracks a few minutes after a radio call was dispatched that [a] man was walking along railroad carrying a rifle. This man was not carrying a rifle at time of arrest." He was charged with "Inv. murder and Co. Vag.," apparently investigation of murder and violation of the county vagrancy law. He was released days later and left town. What he heard Oswald say in jail about Ruby and the gunrunners is the subject of the book that stars Gilless in a cameo role. Gilless's original reaction to hearing of his involvement in the controversy was to say the Elrod incident never occurred. "None of it's true," he said in a telephone interview Oct. 16. "I've heard from several people who read that book and asked me about it but I can assure you none of that happened." But shown the documents from the National Archives last week, Gilless acknowledged his signature on an urgent letter to J. Edgar Hoover, then the FBI director. "Apparently I had some contact with him (Elrod) because I wrote this letter and signed it," he said. "But in those days I processed many, many people through this jail." Gilless's letter to Hoover was itself unusual, Gilless says. "I wrote that letter apparently directly to Hoover, and I don't know why I did that, rather than call the local office. I don't know why I don't remember that." Gilless's letter to Hoover reads in part: "This subject walked into our office at approximately 12:30 a.m. this date and stated he had information concerning the murder of Lee Oswalt (sic). He had with him a travel bag which contained a sawed-off shot gun. The local office of the FBI has been informed of this subject and stated they would conduct an investigation. Please wire reply collect. Yours truly, Alton C. Gilless Jr." Hoover did reply, in a memo dated Aug. 12 and corrected by a different typewriter to read Aug. 13. The director wrote simply that Elrod had a rap sheet with the FBI but was not wanted. The FBI's local office also was involved in talking to Elrod. In another National Archives document, Special Agent Joseph M. Brewi
[CTRL] FUNGUS ALERT
-Original Message-From: DJ Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Hilary [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:22 PMSubject: FUNGUS ALERTDear Hilary-- If you didn't know about this, I thought you should-- probably brought to us by the producers of the terminator seed technology. Maybe somebody is planning on cornering the market on all of the Earth's seeds and this is one of the steps... I'm sending this anywhere I think it will enlighten and educate. Sorry I haven't been able to correspond and join your mailgroup- which I want to do, but have been hoping that demands in my life would quiet to a dull roar before voluntarily adding more. Blessings and Cheers-- DJ Hewitt IMPORTANT!! PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!!! -This could disasterously affect the balance of nature. -The target plant is an extremely hearty plant, disease and pest resistant, it is in the same plant family as Oats and Hops-- also very hearty plants. If this fungus is released it is likely that it will affect other, if not all. plant life. -Myco-organisms are becoming increasingly recognized as the cause of diseases. Animals as well as humans could be adversely affected. Do we want to introduce artifically produced strains into the environment? Theoretically these spores will self- propagate in soil and water and will be spread by the wind. -This is an assault on the planet -This $23,000,000 is OUR taxpayers' money Notify horticultural, botanical, and herbal associations, health associations, tax groups, ecological organizations. Write to your government representatives. We have both the right and the power to put an end to this. This is your planet and its ecology is already greatly compromised. Please don't passively stand by and allow this to take place. http://www.lp.org/rel/990111-fungus.html Title: Libertarian Party - Release - 990111 - anti-drug fungus - NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: www.LP.org - For release: January 11, 1999 - For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Libertarians blast Congress for spending $23 million to develop anti-drug killer fungus WASHINGTON, DC -- The United States government is spending $23 million to develop a killer fungus to wipe out marijuana plants -- a dangerous plan that could cause an environmental catastrophe, said the Libertarian Party today. "This project is the political equivalent of athlete's foot fungus: It's nasty, it's dangerous, and it needs to be stopped before it spreads," said LP National Director Steve Dasbach. "The last thing we need is a bio-engineered killer fungus turned loose on the world." Late last year, Congress passed legislation that authorized $23 million for research into soil-borne fungi called "mycoherbicides," which will attack and kill marijuana plants, poppy plants, and coca plants. When developed, the fungus could be released in such South American countries as Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia, said U.S. officials. The legislation was guided through Congress by U.S. Representatives Bill McCollum (R-FL) and Mike DeWine (R-OH), who said the killer fungus was potentially a "silver bullet" in the War on Drugs. But Libertarians say the tax-subsidized fungus is a "biohazard" that could have a disastrous impact on the ecosystems of the target nations -- and, potentially, the whole world. "In the government's irresponsible search for a quick-fix in the War on Drugs, politicians could cause terrifying long-term ecological problems," warned Dasbach. According to scientists, the killer fungus could... * Attack other plants, wiping out valuable cash crops. "For example, a chemical alkaloid similar to the one that produces cocaine is present in many legal plants -- including tobacco and coffee beans," said Dasbach. "In an effort to wipe out drugs, this killer fungus could wipe out the livelihood of millions of farmers." * Cause many plants to develop stronger chemical defenses against the fungus, which could then mutate and spread to other, harmful plants. "According to scientists, mutated plants could pass on these resistant genes and create herbicide-resistant weeds, which could have a ruinous effect on farm yields," he said. "With world hunger already a problem, why risk making it worse?" * Wipe out industrial hemp plants, which are legal in every major industrialized country outside the United States. "No fungus is smart enough to tell the difference between legal hemp and illegal marijuana," noted Dasbach. "This fungus could be the biological warfare equivalent of carpet bombing -- killing whatever is in its
[CTRL] Owning the Weather
Title: AF2025 v3c15-1 | Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning... | (Ch 1) Weather as a Force Multiplier:Owning the Weather in 2025 A Research Paper Presented To Air Force 2025 by Col Tamzy J. HouseLt Col James B. Near, Jr.LTC William B. Shields (USA)Maj Ronald J. CelentanoMaj David M. HusbandMaj Ann E. Mercer Maj James E. Pugh August 1996 Disclaimer 2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government. This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only. This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release. Contents Chapter Disclaimer Illustrations Tables Acknowledgments Executive Summary Introduction Required Capability Why Would We Want to Mess with the Weather? What Do We Mean by Weather-modification? System Description The Global Weather Network Applying Weather-modification to Military Operations Concept of Operations Precipitation Fog Storms Exploitation of NearSpace for Space Control Opportunities Afforded by Space Weather-modification Communications Dominance via Ionospheric Modification Artificial Weather Concept of Operations Summary Investigation Recommendations How Do We Get There From Here? Conclusions Appendix A Why Is the Ionosphere Important? B Research to Better Understand and Predict Ionospheric Effects C Acronyms and DefinitionsBibliographyNotes Illustrations Figure 3-1. Global Weather Network 3-2. The Military System for Weather-Modification Operations 4-1. Crossed-Beam Approach for Generating an Artificial Ionospheric Mirror 4-2. Artificial Ionospheric Mirrors Point-to-Point Communications 4-3. Artificial Ionospheric Mirror Over-the-Horizon Surveillance Concept 4-4. Scenarios for Telecommunications Degradation 5-1. A Core Competency Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025 5-2. A Systems Development Road Map to Weather Modification in 2025 Tables Table 1 - Operational Capabilities Matrix Acknowledgments We express our appreciation to Mr Mike McKim of Air War College who provided a wealth of technical expertise and innovative ideas that significantly contributed to our paper. We are also especially grateful for the devoted support of our families during this research project. Their understanding and patience during the demanding research period were crucial to the project's success. Executive Summary In 2025, US aerospace forces can own the weather by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map. A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in chief (CINC) are listed in table 1. Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated weather-modification capability: (1) advanced
[CTRL] New Session of Linda Tripp Depo
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Allan Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:58 PM Subject: New Session of Linda Tripp Depo at JW Online Now FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 14, 1999 CONTACT: Judicial Watch (202) 646-5172 Latest Tripp Filegate Deposition Transcript on Judicial Watch Internet Site http://WWW.JUDICIALWATCH.ORG The latest deposition transcript from Linda Tripp's sworn testimony in the $90 million Filegate civil lawsuit brought against the Clinton White House by Judicial Watch on behalf of those former Reagan and Bush staffers and others whose FBI files were illegally obtained and misused by the Clinton White House. "Ms. Tripp once again has much to say on Filegate and related issues," noted Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel. "She testified that Ken Starr and his staff never questioned her substantively on Filegate and other important matters. One thing is for sure, Judicial Watch will follow up on her important testimony. And so should Congress." Ms. Tripp's deposition testimony, taken yesterday, includes information about Mrs. Clinton's involvement in the firings of the Travel Office, Ms. Tripp's interaction with Independent Counsel Starr on Filegate, and more confirmation of illegal misuse of FBI files by the Clinton White House. Ms. Tripp's deposition is scheduled to continue on January 22, 1999 at 10:00 am. # # # Judicial Watch, P.O. Box 4, Washington, DC 20026. Tel:1-888-JW-ETHIC, Fax: (202) 646-5199. Contributions are tax-deductible. © 1997, 1998 Judicial Watch. All Rights Reserved. -- Regards, Allan J. Favish http://members.aol.com/AllanF8702/page1.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Tripp Depo Excerpt
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Allan Favish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 9:25 PM Subject: Tripp Depo Excerpt Excerpt from Linda Tripp Deposition, Jan. 13, 1999, session; found at http://www.judicialwatch.org 632 1 right here. 2 THE WITNESS: What page? 3 BY MR. GAFFNEY: 4 QLet's see, page 361. Starting on 5 line 14, do you see that Mr. Klayman asked 6 you the question, is it your belief that 7 Foster and Kennedy took orders from Hillary 8 Clinton, do you believe that? I objected. 9 Then you answer yes; do you see that? 10 AYes. 11 QCan you recall any specific orders 12 that Mrs. Clinton gave to Mr. Foster or 13 Mr. Kennedy? 14 AWell, the question was is it your 15 belief. 16 QI understand that, I understand 17 it's your belief. 18 ASo I'm telling you that to this 19 day, it is my belief that specifically Vince 20 Foster and Bill Kennedy worked for 21 Mrs. Clinton. Was it on a wiring diagram so 22 indicating, no, it was not. 633 1 QI understand your testimony. My 2 question is whether you recall any specific 3 orders that Mrs. Clinton gave either of those 4 two individuals? 5 AI remember an order having to do 6 with the firing of the Travel Office from 7 Mrs. Clinton to Mr. Foster, yes. 8 QWhat was that order? 9 AIn handwriting on a memo in 10 Mrs. Clinton's hand signed HRC, which said, 11 we need our people out, out underlined -- we 12 need these people out, out underlined, we 13 need our people in, in underlined, HRC. 14 That was on a memo and it is 15 something that I discussed with Phil Larson, 16 actually, during the time that he, contacted 17 me when he was working on a House Committee 18 looking into the Travel Office. 19 QOther than that instance, are you 20 aware of any other? 21 AI can only tell you what I observed 22 with Craig Livingstone, Bill Kennedy and 634 1 Vince Foster and I reiterate that -- 2 QYou've testified to that? 3 AI'm sorry? 4 QIs that what you testified to? 5 MR. KLAYMAN: Objection. Let her 6 answer. 7 BY MR. GAFFNEY: 8 QYou can answer. 9 AWell, you can tell me if I have 10 already. I believe I have stated in the past 11 that it was my belief that these individuals 12 had a direct line of communication with 13 Mrs. Clinton and did not seem to have that 14 same interaction with the immediate office. 15 Our office certainly did. I'm 16 speaking of these three individuals 17 specifically. -- Regards, Allan J. Favish http://members.aol.com/AllanF8702/page1.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Bank Accounts to be Forfeited Under KYC Rules
- SNETNEWS Mailing List I just keep wondering how much more of this crap we are going to let them shove down our throats ?! Mark == SCAN THIS NEWS 1/14/99 The material that follows is taken straight from the web pages of the Financial Actions Task Force (FATF), the international organization that is forcing all U.S. banks to develop identification and monitoring systems so that the banking transactions of every American can be monitored. A link to the FATF web page is included below. (The term "member," when used in their documents, means any country that is a member of the Global-7 organization.) In the U.S., the FDIC and the Federal Reserve Banking System are among the federal agencies currently in the process of instituting these "Know Your Customer" requirements in the form of regulations. Read what the consequences will be for those who rebel under the KYC rules: severed banking relationships; blocked bank accounts; suspicious transaction reports being filed; forfeited accounts... And, for the bankers who won't comply with KYC rules: fines for individuals and the possibility of imprisonment... --- EVALUATION OF MEASURES TAKEN BY FATF MEMBERS DEALING WITH CUSTOMER IDENTIFICATION http://www.oecd.org/fatf/evaluati2.htm Introduction 1. This paper presents a synthesis of measures taken by FATF members in relation to customer identification requirements and record-keeping rules. It deals with both the identification regime set up by members and the practical problems which may have arisen. 2. The "know your customer" policy is probably the cornerstone of the forty FATF Recommendations. While all members have generally implemented the Recommendations dealing with customer identification and record-keeping, there is a need to examine the effectiveness of the identification regimes in place and to see whether some refinements are necessary in order to solve the problems encountered in the most difficult situations by financial institutions. 3. The paper first describes the customer identification and record-keeping systems in FATF members. It then addresses specific issues such as anonymous accounts, identification of the beneficial owner, identification in cases where there is no face-to-face contact between the customer and the financial institution, and future challenges linked to the development of new technologies in electronic payments such as stored value cards. Finally, the conclusion will endeavour to provide an overall assessment of the effectiveness of identification regimes and their impact on money laundering activities. [snip] --- (iv) Compliance (a) Measures in case of failure of identification - 27. When the customer has not been adequately identified, various measures can be taken by the relevant institutions: * sever the relationship with the customer (including refusal to open the account or refuse the transaction; * block the account from withdrawals; * make a suspicious transaction report; * possible forfeiture of the account after a certain period of time; * keep the record of the data concerning the identification. 28. The above-mentioned measures can apply either separately or together. For instance, after an account has been opened, a financial institution may block the funds and simultaneously make a suspicious transaction report. However, this position has been subject to criticism as incompatible with the principle of good faith in business relations. 29. For most members, in no circumstances should transactions be permitted on a account before the customer's identity has been established. However, financial institutions may discover later that the identification checks were not satisfactorily completed. In this case, the institutions should, as a minimum, be required to disclose information to the relevant authorities. This issue of severing business relations at this stage is nevertheless questionable. In fact, it is important to keep an audit trail in all cases and not to authorise withdrawals in cash. (b) Sanctions for non compliance with identification requirements 30. The sanctions applicable to the institutions in cases of non compliance with respect to customer identification are as follows: * fines for individuals, companies and financial institutions; * the possibility of imprisonment for individuals (members of the board, directors, managers, employees, representatives or other persons who permanently or occasionally render services to them); * disciplinary sanctions (warning, suspension of activity, or withdrawal of agreement in most serious cases); * rectification of any weaknesses in customer identification as identified in the banking supervisory process; * cease and desist, removal and prohibition and other such actions. 31. Again, the above-mentioned sanctions can be applied either in
