Re: [CTRL] ctrl list

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You know I have this letter going all over the country somehow, with a
revival of the Christian ID on it.

And then, I have this letter all over hell that says "F Y". and
another one with "Love Letters"

All with my name on it - I don;t mind that so much, its that Church bit.

Even my son heard about it, came to my house, and told me to take down
the Bonnie Blue and put up an American Flab.  Someone told him it was
the Dallas Cowboys...

All that for what?  If that Joshua 2 is doing this, he should be
ashamed...but Teo is back.

All I said was "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks
like a duck" - it must be a duck.

Well, back to workI do want the list to know that I have not been
sending out love letters, I have not joined the revolution, and ...well,
nobody is perfect.

Colleen

Maybe this explains some of the mail I have been gettingfrom a place
called Hotmailmaybe I will join them

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[CTRL] Asiatix: 06-24-99

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> WSWS : News & Analysis : Asia
>
> Two years after the economic meltdown
>
> No end to the social crisis in Asia in sight
>
> By Peter Symonds
> 24 June 1999
>
> Back to screen version
>
> Nearly two years ago, the devaluation of the Thai baht on July 2, 1997
> sparked an economic collapse throughout Asia. Currencies, share and
> property values plummetted, creating a spate of bankruptcies. The
> international financial press is now pointing to the first tentative
> signs of economic growth in former Asian “tigers” like South Korea as
> evidence that the worst of the crisis is over.
>
> Two recent reports produced by the Asian Development Bank (ADB) point
> to the fragile character of the economic recovery, and underscore the
> fact that improvements in profit rates and economic growth will not
> alleviate the social position of tens of millions thrown out of a job
> and into poverty during the past two years.
>
> The ADB's Asian Development Outlook 1999 highlights the extent of the
> economic downturn throughout the region last year. Excluding China,
> the so-called Newly Industrialised Economies (NIEs) recorded a
> negative growth rate of -1.4 percent—a marked reversal from an average
> growth rate of 6.0 percent in 1997. The bank predicts that Hong Kong's
> economy will continue to decline by -0.5 percent in 1999, with small
> increases of 2 percent in South Korea, and 1 percent in Singapore.
>
> The report pointed to the far deeper crisis in the South East Asian
> economies. More than $30 billion in capital fled from Indonesia,
> Malaysia, the Philippines and Thailand during 1997 and 1998. An
> average growth rate of 4.0 percent in 1997 plummetted to -6.9 percent
> in 1998; and according to the bank will only reach 0.8 percent in 1999
> and 2.8 percent in 2000. Worst affected was Indonesia, where the
> economy shrank by a massive -13.7 percent, followed by Thailand, which
> recorded a -8 percent contraction and Malaysia with a -6.7 decline.
>
> High levels of bad debt also continued in 1998: “The situation of the
> corporate and banking sectors continued to deteriorate, particularly
> in Indonesia and Malaysia. The proportion of non-performing loans rose
> and more financial institutions found themselves insolvent. At the end
> of 1998, of Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines and Thailand, Indonesia
> had the highest level of non-performing loans at 35 percent or more of
> loans outstanding, followed by Thailand at upwards of 30 percent,
> Malaysia at 25 percent, and the Philippines at 10 percent or more.”
>
> While the report cautiously claimed that the “worst in Asia seemed to
> be over,” it warned of the potential for rapid reversals caused by
> economic instability elsewhere. “As long as international capital
> markets remain shaky, developing countries in Asia and the world will
> be vulnerable to investor panic.  Developments in the industrial
> countries are also likely to affect Asia's prospects for recovery. A
> large enough stock price drop in the United States would damage
> consumer confidence and reduce US import demand. With the United
> States being the first or second largest market for many
> export-dependent Asian countries, a US recession could spark another
> round of contagion in the region. A recession in Europe could have the
> same impact, though perhaps a smaller one.”
>
> The economic prospects are further undermined by the vast productive
> overcapacity throughout the region. An article in the June 17 issue of
> the Far Eastern Economic Review noted: “Business spending across the
> region also looks shaky—with good reason. In most of Asia there are
> few compelling reasons to invest in new capacity. The investment boom
> that preceded the crisis left the region with more than enough
> restaurants, car factories and chemical plants to meet demand. The
> amount of factory capacity actually being used has improved slightly
> this year in Thailand, for example but remains below 60 percent. Using
> the broadest measure of overall economic capacity, it's clear that
> there is plenty of slack.”
>
> The Asian Development Bank, a Japanese-backed financial institution,
> points to criticisms of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) policies
> imposed on Indonesia, South Korea and Thailand. As the crisis erupted
> in Asia, the IMF, backed by the Clinton administration sought, to
> exploit the collapse. It pressed ahead with its longstanding demands
> for extensive restructuring to open up the region's economies to
> international trade and investment at the expense of local business
> interests and monopolies.
>
> The IMF agenda provoked conflicts with Japan, in particular, which was
> developing its own economic strategy. Japan's leading international
> financial figure, Dr Eikuke Sakakibara, also known as “Mr Yen,”
> explained in an interview in May that the US Treasury had vetoed his
> plan to set up a $US100 billion Asian monetary fund to bail out the
> region's 

[CTRL] Attention Shoppers!!!

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>From TheNewStatesman (UK)


> Better to shop than to vote
>
> No wonder politics is out of fashion. It's the consumer that has the
> power. By Noreena Hertz
>
> Fewer than one in four Britons voted in the European
> elections; turnout, though higher in most EU countries than here,
> slumped across the continent. In last month's Scottish and Welsh
> elections, turnout was remarkably low for what were supposed to be
> historic events. Eleven per cent fewer people voted in the English
> council elections than in those four years ago. In the Leeds Central
> by-election this month, the 19.6 per cent turnout was the lowest since
> the Second World War. In the May 1997 general election only 71 per
> cent voted: again, the lowest number since the war. Political apathy
> reigns. Yet last month, one million people voted via the Internet and
> a freephone number to change Kellogg's Choco Krispies brand name back
> to Coco Pops. Are we more passionate today about shopping than about
> politics?
>
> We have an uneasy relationship with corporations: in the UK, public
> approval rating for big business is at a 30-year low - only a quarter
> of the UK public thinks it a "good thing" for large companies to make
> profits. Yet we demand that business delivers what we want and need,
> champions our causes, puts computers in our schools and rejuvenates
> our inner cities. Seventy per cent of us now care whether businesses
> behave ethically, and we put our money into companies that do. In the
> UK, the ethical investment industry has doubled in size over the past
> year.
>
> All company bosses want a policy on corporate social responsibility.
> The positive effect is hard to quantify but the negative consequences
> of a disaster are enormous. Nobody wants the next Brent Spar on his
> hands. So John Browne, the chairman of BP, talks about "companies
> needing to win and retain public trust" and "having to be open to
> dialogue and scrutiny"; and Sir Peter Davis, group chief executive of
> the Prudential Corporation, talks about a "vital" need for companies
> to invest in the communities in which they operate.
>
> Transparency, accountability and sustainability have become the
> slogans of the market leaders. Companies carry out environmental and
> social audits to court the consumer, and even the bluest chips woo
> organisations such as Greenpeace and Amnesty.
>
> So while political activism is on the wane, consumer activism
> flourishes, aided by the information revolution, the Internet
> explosion and multiplying sources of news. Consumers, not voters, make
> a difference. The turnaround on GM food happened not because of
> politicians, but because of consumer pressure. Why wait for a
> cumbersome government change of policy when Marks & Spencer will take
> products off its shelves overnight? Arco is desperately seeking a
> buyer for its acreage in Burma; it is the latest in a growing line of
> companies forced out of that country by the consumer lobby - a
> striking testament to the impact that consumers, rather than
> governments, can have on human rights and the environment.
>
> For corporations, this consumer watch is proving costly and
> burdensome. Social responsibility was once seen as a good PR tool by
> big business; now corporations are being held hostage by their own
> marketing strategies. The causes they champion must be ever greater,
> ever more substantial and ever more original. The innovative campaigns
> of the Body Shop of the eighties have become the humdrum campaigns of
> today's high-street banks. Not only do goods have to be whiter than
> white; company ethics, ideologies and initiatives have to be so, too.
>
> With consumers having ever more choice, corporations must invest more
> and more in courting public opinion. In Britain 93 per cent of
> companies now allocate some of their marketing budget to good causes.
> Shell launched a £15 million ad campaign, in March of this year,
> attesting to its social and environmental awareness. And such efforts
> must be kept up. Consumers, unlike voters, expect an immediate
> response to their concerns; and companies, unlike governments, do not
> have the luxury of a mid-term lull.
>
> Politicians, too, must stay close to their customers. In an
> over-saturated market - nine parties were running for the 87 British
> seats in the European elections - politics becomes just another
> product battling for the consumer's attention. So politicians borrow
> from business: parties identify their unique selling points; rhetoric
> is reduced to slogans; the McKinsey in-house manual becomes William
> Hague's bible; Labour's advertising budget soars - the 1998-99 budget
> for advertising was the government's biggest for seven years - and
> focus groups and market research become essential tools of office.
>
> Ideology competes with ice-cream. Politicians become salespeople,
> offering more and more: lower tax, better schools, more funding for
> the NHS. I

[CTRL] Thickening Plots

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> WSWS : News & Analysis : North America : US School Violence
>
> Social breakdown and the American police mentality
>
> Fourteen-year-olds charged as adults in school shooting plot
>
> By David Walsh
> 24 June 1999
>
> Back to screen version
>
> A judge ordered two 14-year-old boys to stand trial as adults Tuesday
> in Port Huron, Michigan, 60 miles northeast of Detroit, on charges
> that could bring them automatic sentences of life in prison without
> parole. The teenagers are accused, along with two 13-year-olds, of
> plotting to murder fellow students at Holland Woods Middle School.
>
> Other students allegedly overheard Jedaiah Zinzo and Justin Schnepp
> discuss plans to rob a gun store, then seize the school office,
> assemble the students in the gym and massacre them. The father of a
> friend of Zinzo also secretly tape-recorded a phone conversation in
> which such plans were allegedly discussed. The prosecution claims that
> the pair planned to “kill more people than Columbine,” referring to
> the Colorado school shooting in April.
>
> A number of witnesses have been unable to say for certain which youth
> said what, and others have indicated that they did not think the boys
> were going to do anything violent. No one has claimed to have seen
> either with a weapon or explosive material.
>
> St. Clair County District Judge David Nicholson ordered Zinzo and
> Schnepp to stand trial on charges of conspiracy to commit first-degree
> murder. Nicholson said he had no choice under a 1998 change in
> juvenile waiver laws in Michigan, which mandates adult sentences for
> individuals 14 years and older tried in the adult court system. The
> two 13-year-olds, Daniel Fick and Jonathan McDonald, are being tried
> as adults in Family Court. If they are convicted, a judge would have
> the option of sending them to prison for up to life, juvenile
> detention, or both.
>
> Nicholson commented that the issue of whether it was appropriate for
> prosecutors to decide which juveniles to charge as adults would be
> decided by higher courts. Three similar cases are currently before the
> Michigan Court of Appeals.
>
> The decision of the St. Clair County prosecutor's office to pursue
> life in prison without parole for two 14-year-old boys is entirely
> predictable. Under present conditions it would have been astonishing
> if the authorities had chosen any other course of action—one, let us
> say, guided by elementary humanity. It is excluded that anyone in a
> position of authority would suggest psychiatric treatment, for
> example, or any genuine attempt to help the troubled youths.
>
> Since the Columbine shooting April 20 hundreds, if not thousands, of
> bomb threats have been called in to American schools. In late May the
> National School Safety Center in Los Angeles already reported 200
> cases of classes being canceled across the US, in virtually every
> state. In Michigan's Oakland County alone at least a dozen students
> have been charged with making false bomb threats.
>
> The Port Huron case raises a number of issues. Whether or not the
> youths actually intended to carry out the crimes with which they are
> being charged is really of no interest to the authorities. Guided by
> both social backwardness and political opportunism, local prosecutors
> are determined to prove their toughness on crime. Put children away in
> prison for life? They don't hesitate for an instant. And those charged
> are children. Calling a group of 12-, 13- and 14-year-olds “adults,”
> trying them in “adult” courts, sending them away for “adult” sentences
> does not change reality, it is simply an act of deception and perhaps
> self-deception.
>
> Whether or not the youths intended to carry out mass murder, it is
> telling that no one, despite the lack of physical proof, doubts that
> such a massacre could take place. After fatal shootings in Jonesboro,
> Arkansas; Pearl, Mississippi; West Paducah, Kentucky; and Springfield,
> Oregon, voices were still heard, including President Clinton's,
> claiming that these were isolated incidents, with no general
> significance. Would anyone make that assertion today, after dozens of
> shootings or potential shootings? Clearly, the extraordinary level of
> tension, resentment and seething anger that exists within wide layers
> of the school population and younger generation generally is an
> enormous social problem.
>
> No one in authority, more bewildered than anything else by the school
> shootings, has an answer for this. Wealthy, ignorant and indifferent,
> the political and media establishment always responds with the same
> general solution: more laws, more police, more prisons. In a promising
> development, the Secret Service has now been mobilized to look into
> the “motives and behavior” behind school shootings! According to the
> New York Times, forensic psychologist Robert A. Fein and Secret
> Service Agent Bryan Vossekuil have been visiting prisons, talking with
>

Re: [CTRL] ctrl list

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
>list moderator in the hopes it will stop.>>
>
>If your email has a Block Address feature, USE IT!! It really works.
>You don't have to put up with that kind of abuse. If you can't block
>the addy, then set up a filter to send the letters straight to Trash.
>Good luck.


tenorlove and day@alltel and joshua2 are all the same person and this is
his means of wreaking revenge on me. he initiated the offensive posting
and he has answered every email i have sent him and if he were serious
about ended the exchange he would stop sending me emails. somebody is
having fun and is not very serious about being out to get me, as, that is
the only reason i can think of that he would go about it so sloppily. it
is not the job of ctrl to police what i do with my private email. he
initiated the original offence and is now vying for the last word.
stupidity on the high seas, go figure.

chris

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[CTRL] THE WACO MASSACRE - starring Vince Foster

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 From: The Progressive Review <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 UNDERNEWS - edited by Sam Smith
 June 23, 1999
 excerpt:

 THE WACO MASSACRE

 Counterpunch has identified the two military men who took part
 in a Waco Massacre planning session at the Justice Department:
 Colonel Gerald Boykin, and his superior, Peter J. Schoomacher,
 the commanding general at Fort Bragg.  Counterpunch says that
 NATO Commander Wesley Clark (who had served under Schoomacher)
 was not directly involved in the attack:

"Boykin and Schoomacher were present because the Army's Fort
Bragg-based Combat Applications Group -- popularly known as the
Delta Force -- had been enlisted as part of the assault team on
the Branch Davidian Compound.  It appears that President Clinton
had signed a waiver of the Posse Comitatus Act, with the
precedent being Ronald Reagan's revocation of the Act in 1987,
allowing the Delta Force to be involved in suppressing the
Atlanta prison riot.

"The role of the Delta Force, the identity of the two Army
officers, the revocation of Posse Comitatus all form part of
the disclosures of a forthcoming documentary film, 'Waco: A New
Revelation,' put together by the same team that produced an
earlier, excellent film, Waco: Rules of Engagement."

 Among the materials obtained by the film producers are 28 videos
 showing US military in special assault gear and with name tags
 obscured in the final onslaught on the Waco compound.

 Producer Mike McNulty isolates Vince Foster as the White House
 point man for the Waco operation.  Writes Counterpunch:

"McNulty cites Foster's widow as saying that the depression that
prompted the White House lawyer's death was fueled by horror at
the carnage at Waco for which the White House had given the
ultimate green light.  Foster was writing a Waco report when he
died.  McNulty says that some documents about Foster and Waco
were among those removed from his office after his death, later
to surface in a White house store room sheltering archives of
the First Lady."


 COUNTERPUNCH - http://www.counterpunch.org/



 BIBLE PASSAGES YOU WON'T HEAR ON CBN

 "As for your male and female slaves whom you may have; You may buy
 your male and female slaves from among the nations around you
 You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a
 possession forever."

 -- Leviticus 25:44-46




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[CTRL] Here's the Beef!

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>From TheIndependent (UK)


> Sicilians infected by cow disease
>
> By Frances Kennedy
>
> Investigators in Sicily believe the Mafia is behind an unexplained
> rise in cases of the animal disease brucellosis among humans.
>
> A report in La Repubblica newspaper said Cosa Nostra is marketing a
> vaccine that prevents cows with the bacterial disease from testing
> positive. The undetected sick animals are passing the bacterium on to
> humans by direct contact or through dairy products.
>
> The probe began when magistrates noted a steady increase in cases of
> brucellosis in humans while the frequency of the disease in animals
> was declining. The number of animals identified with the disease
> dropped from 4 per cent in 1996 to 2.5 per cent in 1998. Yet compared
> to the 748 human cases in 1996, last year's figures are expected to be
> above 1,000.
>
> Sicily accounts for nearly half of those suffering from the illness.
> As well as farmers and vets, traditionally at risk, others often pick
> it up by eating unpasteurised cheeses such as ricotta, a staple of
> local cuisine. The disease, though not fatal, causes high fever,
> drenching sweats, weakness and depression and, in severe cases, can
> lead to pneumonia.
>
> Police believe a vaccine, known as RB51, is now freely available on
> the black market and that Cosa Nostra is marketing it hard,
> capitalising on farmers anxious not to destroy sick beasts. The
> vaccine camouflages the bacteria, making them invisible in regular
> screening of herds.
>
> La Repubblica also offers an explanation as to why the Mafia is
> pushing the vaccine. Until recently, the Sicilian government
> reimbursed farmers for any beasts that had to be put down. The
> payments have now stopped. Although its activities now span the globe,
> the roots of Cosa Nostra are rural. Most of the main clans, especially
> the fierce Corleonesi, still have their bases in the countryside and
> control vast tracts of farmland near Palermo.
>
> When the "mad cow" scare first broke in Europe, there was concern the
> Mafia might exploit the crisis and sell infected meat in Italy. The
> only case of the disease detected in Italy was in Sicily in 1994. The
> infected animals, which had come from Britain were supposed to be
> destroyed.
>
> However, when the local authorities were slow in providing
> compensation, the farmer, who had a record of involvement with the
> Mafia, reported the beasts lost.


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[CTRL] (Fwd) Claremont Institute Precepts: Trenton's Battle of Princi

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The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS |
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June 23, 1999 Visit  |

  | No. 176

Last time, we showed how legislators in New Jersey who
condemn the Declaration of Independence contradict
themselves. They want to banish the words of the
Declaration from the schools there, because they believe
the men who wrote it were hypocrites. These authors of the
Declaration said "all men are created equal," but, we are
told, they only meant white men.

The contradiction is this: If you condemn Thomas Jefferson
for being a hypocrite, then you find yourself in agreement
with the Declaration of Independence. So you ought to be
happy that children are learning what it says.

This has apparently not occurred to Assemblywoman Nia Gill,
a Democrat who led the charge against a bill that would
require public school students to recite two sentences from
the Declaration. We feel bound to intrude upon her busy
career with this little bit of common sense.

Now let us ask another question: Is it true that Thomas
Jefferson and his fellow revolutionaries were hypocrites?
What did they, personally, think about the rights of black
people? What should we tell our children about them?

We have to face the fact that Jefferson did not liberate
his slaves.  But this must be offset against other facts.
For instance, Jefferson proposed a gradual emancipation law
in Virginia in 1779.  And as President in 1807, he
supported abolishing the slave trade.

Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration of Independence
included a passionate condemnation of slavery, on the
explicit basis of the slaves' humanity:

"[The King of Britain] has waged cruel war against human
nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and
liberty in the persons of a distant people...captivating
and carrying them into slavery Determined to keep open
a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has
[suppressed] every legislative attempt to prohibit or to
restrain this execrable commerce"

And here is one of Jefferson's most famous and important
statements, taken from the only book he published:

"For if a slave can have a country in this world, it must
be any other in preference to that in which he is born to
live and labour for another: in which he must lock up the
faculties of his nature And can the liberties of a
nation be thought secure when we have removed their only
firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that
these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to
be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my
country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice
cannot sleep for ever."

In light of these facts, can we doubt that Thomas Jefferson
truly believed all men, regardless of color, to be equal in
their natures, and slavery to be a terrible wrong? Although
he did not fully live up to these beliefs, he was not a
hypocrite.

And let us not forget our other Founders, some of whom,
like George Washington, liberated their slaves, and many
others of whom, like Benjamin Franklin, never held slaves.
To a man, these Founders condemned slavery in no uncertain
terms.  Consider just a few examples:

Washington: "There is not a man living who wishes more
sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the
abolition of [slavery]."

Franklin: Slavery is "an atrocious debasement of human
nature."

James Madison: "We have seen the mere distinction in
color...a ground of the most oppressive dominion ever
exercised by man over man."

America's Founders laid down, for the first time in
history, the rights of every human being as the standard by
which every government and every law should be judged. They
risked their lives for that principle. Eighty-five years
later, when Abraham Lincoln led the nation through a Civil
War that extinguished slavery, he did so by appealing to
that principle.  That principle remains a light for us
today.  For all these things, we owe our Founders the
deepest debt.

We think it a good idea to teach our children two things:
First, the principles of freedom. And second, respect for
the Americans who first established that freedom as the
purpose of our government.

What a shocking thing, that there should be disagreement
about this. It is indeed a sign of the times.

Next time, we will consider where that disagreement
originates.

Sincerely,
Larry P. Arnn
President, The Claremont Institute


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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Wednesday, June 23, 1999

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for June 23, 1999

 A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
   #596 ~~ 6/23/99
http://www.atheists.org
   ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
 http://www.americanatheist.org

-
   A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
   "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
And The Separation Of State and Church"
--

   In This Issue...
   * Florida voucher scheme in court
   * Aid to religious school poll ends this evening.  Cast your vote!
   * RLPA clears House, American Atheists presents letters to Senate!
   * Picket the Promise Keepers this Saturday, Detroit
   * Resources
   * About this list...

FLORIDA RELIGIOUS SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM CHALLENGED

A coalition of educational and civil rights groups has filed suit to
stop Florida's controversial voucher scheme from taking effect.  In
May, the state legislature enacted the nation's first statewide
voucher program that subsidizes tuition for parents wishing to send
their children to private and religious schools.  The Florida program
assigns public schools a rating based on the cumulative test scores of
students; parents in poorly performing districts are then able to use
so-called "opportunity scholarships" worth up to as much as $5,800
toward tuition costs at a local private educational institution.
Although the program was a legislative centerpiece for Florida Gov.
Jeb Bush, critics had threatened to file suit charging that the
voucher scheme drained money from cash-strapped public schools, and
was a form of government subsidy to parochial and other religious
schools.

At a press conference on the steps of the Florida Supreme Court,
Maureen Dinnen of the state National Education Association warned
reporters, "Vouchers will destroy the public education system of this
state.  That is why this suit is being filed."  She was flanked by
plaintiffs in the lawsuit, including an Escambia County teacher,
parents of three local schoolchildren, two members of the Miami-Dade
County Board of Education, and the Citizen Coalition for Public
Schools.  The suit has been filed on behalf of the Florida Coalition
for Public Schools, an ad hoc group which includes the Florida PTA,
teachers unions, American Jewish Congress, ACLU, NAACP, Americans
United for the Separation of Church and State, League of Women Voters
and the Anti-Defamation League.

The lawsuit declares that the voucher program violates the Florida
constitution since it runs afoul of the legal prohibition of
transferring money "from the public treasury directly or indirectly in
aid to any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any
sectarian institution."  It also charges that the voucher program
violates the requirement that the state provide "a uniform, efficient,
safe, secure and high quality system of free public schools."

A spokesperson for the National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People (NAACP) termed the voucher system "chilling," adding,
"We know who will make the choice.  Private schools will decide who
they want to accept."

The lawsuit came in the wake of Gov.  Jeb Bush's hyped signing of the
Florida voucher legislation which is included in his "A-+ Education
Plan."  While only two elementary schools in the entire state
currently qualify for the vouchers, critics and proponents of the
legislation say that the number will rise to over 150 in the next year
since academic testing standards are being raised.  To voucher
critics, the Bush scheme defeats the goal of the testing, since it
would divert money from the public school systems in need to private
and parochial institutions.

The Bush administration is already forming a legal team to defend the
court challenge, and expects the help of the Washington-based
Institute for Justice.  A spokesman for that group argued that the
Florida program "'isn't aid for churches...  It's aid to students."

In recent weeks, a number of courts have struck down voucher aid to
religious schools; several municipalities including Cleveland, Ohio
and Milwaukee, Wisconsin have programs in place.  Florida is the first
test, though, of a statewide voucher system.  According to the
Tallahassee Democrat newspaper, the litigation could "last for years
and go all the way to the U.S.  Supreme Court."  The court has not
ruled on voucher schemes, but has agreed to hear a Louisiana case
involving other government aid to religious schools.

 **

GOVERNMENT AID TO RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS -- WHAT'S
YOUR OPINION?  POLL ENDS THIS EVENING...

The U.S.  Supreme Court has announced that it will review a
controversial Louisiana case which challenges government aid to
parochial schools.  A decision is expected next year -- and it could
open the door for more taxpayer funding of religion.  What's your
opinion on this important Fir

[CTRL] OT: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 6/23/99 (fwd)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 6/23/99
Date: Wed, Jun 23, 1999, 5:48 PM


X DRUDGE REPORT X WED, JUNE 23, 1999 21:59:22 ET X


WHISTLEBLOWER OFFERS NEW INFO ON CHINESE EMBASSY BOMBING IN
BELGRADE

A mid-level intelligence officer assigned to the CIA persistently
questioned the targeting of a building that turned out to be the
Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia, but his concerns went unheeded at
the U.S. military's European Command, the WASHINGTON POST is
planning to report in Thursday editions.

The warnings are noted in a classified internal report by the
CIA's inspector general.

NATO war planners say they meant to strike the Yugoslav Federal
Directorate of Supply and Procurement.

But the POST reports that the analyst had "some familiarity" with
the Directorate of Supply and Procurement and was not sure that
his colleagues had correctly located it on a map.

"I'm not sure that's the right building," the intelligence
officer said.

"He was concerned, raised some questions, and they didn't get
resolved," one source tells the paper.  Another intelligence
source tells the paper's Steven Mufson and Vernon Loeb that the
analyst "raised his doubts with working level counterparts" at
both the CIA and the NATO European Command in Stuttgart, Germany,
but the questions "were never raised to senior levels before the
strike took place."

GOT INFO OFF INTERNET

A "high-ranking State Department official" tells the POST that an
intelligence officer got the correct address of the Yugoslav arms
procurement agency "from the Internet"  -- but then used the
"numbering of buildings on parallel streets to mistakenly
identify a spot on a map of Belgrade."

The bombs accurately hit those coordinates, which turned out to
be the Chinese Embassy.

Impacting Hard on Thursday...

 X X X X X

PAPER:  HILLARY TO USE AIR FORCE JETS DURING CAMPAIGN

Senate candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton will do her campaigning
on U.S. Air Force jets, the New York's DAILY NEWS is reporting on
Thursday.

The paper's Thomas M. DeFrank is planning to report that Mrs.
Clinton's campaign will reimburse the U.S. government for future
political stumping -- but not for the dozen or so trips she's
already made at taxpayer expense to the state while mulling her
candidacy.

The paper estimates that the use of Air Force jets costs the
first lady's campaign up to $7,243 per hour.

"The First Lady has signed off on the Secret Service's 'very
strong recommendation' that she travel exclusively on military
planes even after officially becoming a candidate," the paper has
learned.

 X X X X X

Filed by Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
http://www.drudgereport.com
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999
Not for reproduction without permission of the author

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[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 6/23/99

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X DRUDGE REPORT X WED, JUNE 23, 1999 21:59:22 ET X


WHISTLEBLOWER OFFERS NEW INFO ON CHINESE EMBASSY BOMBING IN BELGRADE

A mid-level intelligence officer assigned to the CIA persistently
questioned the targeting of a building that turned out to be the Chinese
Embassy in Yugoslavia, but his concerns went unheeded at the U.S.
military's European Command, the WASHINGTON POST is planning to report in
Thursday editions.

The warnings are noted in a classified internal report by the CIA's
inspector general.

NATO war planners say they meant to strike the Yugoslav Federal Directorate
of Supply and Procurement.

But the POST reports that the analyst had "some familiarity" with the
Directorate of Supply and Procurement and was not sure that his colleagues
had correctly located it on a map.

"I'm not sure that's the right building," the intelligence officer said.

"He was concerned, raised some questions, and they didn't get resolved,"
one source tells the paper.  Another intelligence source tells the paper's
Steven Mufson and Vernon Loeb that the analyst "raised his doubts with
working level counterparts" at both the CIA and the NATO European Command
in Stuttgart, Germany, but the questions "were never raised to senior
levels before the strike took place."

GOT INFO OFF INTERNET

A "high-ranking State Department official" tells the POST that an
intelligence officer got the correct address of the Yugoslav arms
procurement agency "from the Internet"  --  but then used the "numbering of
buildings on parallel streets to mistakenly identify a spot on a map of
Belgrade."

The bombs accurately hit those coordinates, which turned out to be the
Chinese Embassy.

Impacting Hard on Thursday...

 X X X X X

PAPER:  HILLARY TO USE AIR FORCE JETS DURING CAMPAIGN

Senate candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton will do her campaigning on U.S. Air
Force jets,  the New York's DAILY NEWS is reporting on Thursday.

The paper's Thomas M. DeFrank is planning to report that Mrs. Clinton's
campaign will reimburse the U.S. government for future political stumping
-- but not for the dozen or so trips she's already made at taxpayer expense
to the state while mulling her candidacy.

The paper estimates that the use of Air Force jets costs the first lady's
campaign up to $7,243 per hour.

"The First Lady has signed off on the Secret Service's 'very strong
recommendation' that she travel exclusively on military planes even after
officially becoming a candidate," the paper has learned.

 X X X X X


LUCIANNE GOLDBERG LAUNCHES NEW WEBSITE

She has been quietly planning it for months.  And late on Tuesday night,
with one stroke of her enter button, Lucianne Goldberg opened her
LUCIANNE.COM  for business -- serious business.

"We will be doing some hard reporting...We will be doing some delicious
leaking" Goldberg declares in her Mission Statement.

The site features new and original writings from Goldberg on the
mediapolitical scene, news stories and viewer reaction.

"Our guiding philosophy of life has always been - if it's not fun, don't do
it," said Goldberg, just moments before opening the gates.

http://www.lucianne.com


 X X X X X


DREAMWORKS HITS STUDIO FINANCING TROUBLE

SpielbergGeffenKatzenberg have been unable to arrange satisfactory
financing to build a proposed 47-acre studio lot in Los Angeles, according
to a new report.

"We don't need this...  at a certain point, you come to realize that maybe
it wasn't meant to be," a  DREAMWORKS SKG source tells Thursday LOS ANGELES.

Sources tell the paper's James Bates that SpielbergGeffenKatzenberg will
probably decide within as little as two weeks whether to continue to seek
financing or scrap the problem-plagued 4-year-old Playa Vista project
altogether.

The company now has alternatives, "two of which include expanding its
current headquarters on the UNIVERSAL STUDIOS lot and further developing
facilities in Glendale, where DREAMWORKS has its animation studio," reports
Bates.

[Marsh frogs secretly celebrating.]

Developing late

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[CTRL] OT: LondonT Report TV Cameras Don't Reduce Crime (fwd)

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:43:04 -0400
From: Carl S. Webber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: LondonT Report TV Cameras Don't Reduce Crime

So why should big brother watch?

City spy cameras are 'failing to cut violent crime'

THE introduction of closedcircuit television cameras in city
centres has done little to reduce urban violence, according to
new research.

Unless the cameras are backed by police action, they are not a
deterrent and in some areas the number of assaults has risen,
probably because violence has been displaced to places such as
bars not covered by the cameras.

The study was carried out by the violence research group of the
University of Wales College of Medicine in Cardiff. The team
studied police and accident and emergency department records for
the number of assaults recorded two years before and after CCTV
cameras were installed in Cardiff, Swansea and Rhyl.

The report says that the International Victimisation Survey shows
that England and Wales, with 344,300 violent offences recorded by
police in 1996, have one of the highest levels of this type of
crime in the world. Hospital figures, which are seven times
higher than police figures, show that the scale of the problem is
likely to be even larger.

Over the period covered by the study, 22,442 patients in the
three centres asked for hospital treatment after assaults, while
the police recorded only 3,228 violent incidents. After cameras
were installed the number of such cases treated in hospitals fell
by only 1 per cent, although police records showed a 9 per cent
fall in the number of violent attacks.

The study unearthed contradictory evidence from the different
centres. In Cardiff, hospitals recorded a 12 per cent fall in the
number of assaults while police data indicated a 20 per cent
increase. In Rhyl there was a 45 per cent increase in hospital
cases but the police reported a 24 per cent fall in the number of
incidents. The numbers injured in Swansea remained constant but
there was a 44 per cent fall in cases dealt with by police.

The study concluded that the reduction in assaults in Cardiff was
a result of better police response. "Overall, accident and
emergency data does not suggest that CCTV installation reduced
town or city centre violence," says the report in the Journal of
Accident and Emergency Medicine, published today.

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Re: [CTRL] Christian Identity undergoes a revival inarea,experts say

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 John Lee wrote:

> Mr. Davis,
> The difference between Hitler's "money" and Roosevelt's "money" is
> considerable. German currency was state owned and issued, based upon the
> assets and production of the nation, whereas Roosevelt's was from the
> Federal Reserve, a privately owned national bank, as it still is today. All
> money used in America and the world today is borrowed from some private
> bank.

I am quite familiar with your basic thesis concerning the operation of
central banks. However, you state the the German currency was state owned
and issued and apparently not borrowed as is normal policy in the central
bank system. This would as you suggested be similar to Lincoln's policy of
issueing "greenbacks" which were neither borrowed or backed by specie. And,
it would also be similar to what JFK did when he issued several hundred
million dollars in Treasury notes not long before he was killed. However, I
have never heard this assertion made previously and would like to know where
you got this information and whether or not it is true. The Federal Reserve
bank of the US was paterned after that of Germany's and one of the Warburg
brothers ran it while the other pushed for the adoption of the system in the
US. So, apparently they did have that system previous to Hitler's coming to
power in 1933. If Hitler did end the central reserve banking system in
Germany then that certainly would be a reason for certain of the elite to be
profoundly upset. However, you also stated that Germany " went off the
international gold standard that was, and is, controlled by international
Jewish banking". First, how would it then be possible for Germany to trade
with other countries, if, in fact, they had gone off the gold standard which
was still in effect at the time? Did they barter? And, since there no longer
is a gold standard, how can it be controlled by "Jewish banking". You also
state that the "World Jewish Congress declared WAR on Germany." Where and
when did they meet and vote this declaration of war? What was the effect of
this declaration of war? Considering that five years later Hitler got
Austria and the next year Checkloslavakia, it seems there was not much to
this "war". (Also, we know that American bankers such as Prescot Bush,
Aviral Harriman, and the Dulles brothers were investing heavily in Germany
(weren't they part of this "international jewish banking)). And, no real
effort to stop Hitler was put forward by the countries which are supposedly
under the control of these "international Jewish banking" until Hitler
invaded Poland. (And if you have read "Mein Kampf" you will know that Hitler
had planned on expanding Germany's borders to the east since 1924.

Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] Prometheus Books

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In a message dated 6/23/99 11:01:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Welcome to Prometheus Books on-line.
>
>  Prometheus is the American publisher of books that are daring and
>  different.
>  Prometheus is the premier (often the only) publisher
>  to challenge the claims of paranormal believers.
>

It is all well and good to question belief systems but the people involved
with Prometheus books are also involved in PSYCOP and they are definitely NOT
just skeptics after the truth they are purely debunkers who would not accept
any evidence of paranormal activity.  They are just as bad as the worst of
the believers since they will try and use whatever piece of crap "evidence"
that comes along to try and make their point that there is nothing outside
the realm of hard science and physics, thus "paranormal" is impossible in
their eyes.  I believe it is healthy to be skeptical BUT it is not healthy to
have a completely closed mind to new realities or possibilities.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Red China and Oil

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In a message dated 6/23/99 5:55:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

> CHINA'S PETROLEUM INDUSTRY:
>  A Summary of China's Oil and Gas Industry
>
>
>  Excerpts:
>
>   "By the end of the year 2000, the petrochemical industry
>  will have become China's key industry.

Given GW Bush's long term interest in China, and the likelihood of backdoor
dealings in the country I wonder how much of that industry he is involved in?
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] FWD: Divinity Graduate Al Gore Gets Bible Wrong In Major ...

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R O T F L O L

how transparent !!!

thanks for this!

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Re: [CTRL] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STO P TAX***STOPTAX***STOTAX!!!!!!!!!!...

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In a message dated 06/23/1999 6:27:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Prudy,
 Honestly, it's an internet legend, a joke, a scam, a prank...
 It absolutely isn't going to happen!!! >>

Okay, thanks.  It must have been an old one.  I hadn't heard it.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] ctrl list

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If your email has a Block Address feature, USE IT!! It really works.
You don't have to put up with that kind of abuse. If you can't block
the addy, then set up a filter to send the letters straight to Trash.
Good luck.
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This is good stuffanyone want to know more about the Iluminati, get
a set of Hogarth printsor books, and seek out Hells Fire
ClubIlluminati.

My set came from Irelandthis young Irishman was put on a stretcher
and salavaged the albumsbut the one rare print is Charity in the
Cellar.Lord Sandwich, Dashwood, all the aristocars including John
Wilkes, whose great grandson, etc. murdered Lincoln.

Hogarth's plates during WWII were melted down and bombs away over
Germanythere is still a Dashwood today, and the tombs are still at
High Wycomb, where the 12 O Clock high wer.

The prints are full of symbolism, secret messages in the engravings a
high degree mason could decipherand after JFK ws killed, Paul Mellon
put hi collection on display at the National GallaryLindaJohnson
bought a set at that time also.

These were almost stolen by the Black and Tansnot that they all are
not a noble lot..Lord Boyne's collection has the original painting
of the Hells Fire Club in which you see the masonic Rosicrucian Lamp

Thanks for this story - really good.I got a chunk of the Rock ---the
Blarny Stone...wonder if you can still climb that bit stairwayand
look down.

Colleen

Hogarth exposed masonry.but remained loyal to the crown when half of
the old Club supported the American Revooution, which I might add Lord
Thomas Fitzgerald gave his life.

Love those Irish...

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Beam me up Andrew..the Nazis are coming, the Nazis are coming.

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- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Live long and prosper
>
> Greetings my friends - I represent a powerful and violent group called X
> This group does Y to people that disagree with it.
> The people that disgree with X are called Z
> Z doesn't do Y to people
> X thinks, however, that Z do contemptible things [a b c d] which
> in 'X's opinion' are just as bad.
>
> For the X's : [a b c d] >= Y
> For the Z's : Y > [a b c d]
>
> looks like we have a difference of opinion, Mr Spock.

Energize the transporter, Mr. O'Brien.

These inequalities cannot be properly evaluated without assigning
some ranking to a,b,c,d,Y, possibly indexed on the damage levels
inflicted on humans.  Thus (death) > (maiming) > (other injuries).

He's DEAD, Jim.  Kinda cute, tho...

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Forgot who wanted this; needs someone who has right stuff to pull up,
and then can be distrubited; hope this is what someone requested.

Its all been whitewashed, no doubt.

Colleen




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[CTRL] live long and prosper on CTRL

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Live long and prosper

Greetings my friends - I represent a powerful and violent group called X
This group does Y to people that disagree with it.
The people that disgree with X are called Z
Z doesn't do Y to people
X thinks, however, that Z do contemptible things [a b c d] which
in 'X's opinion' are just as bad.

For the X's : [a b c d] >= Y
For the Z's : Y > [a b c d]

looks like we have a difference of opinion, Mr Spock.



Andrew Hennessey

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Part 1 of 2 from The World Of The Strange newsletter.





#1. Group 13  by David Guyatthttp://www.copi.com/articles/Group13.html

It is the number that carries the most occult significance.

Throughout Europe it has historically been regarded as an ill omen. In Norse
mythology, the number 13 often signifies death. Today, in the United Kingdom,
there exists a paramilitary unit called Group 13. The sole purpose of this
ultra secretive unit is deniable assassination and it operates in the world
of shadows. So little is known about them, that it is exceptionally hard to
document its activities with any certainty.

One individual - a former intelligence undercover agent - contacted by The X
Factor(a magazine), recounted his story of a encounter with Group 13. Gary
Murray, author of Enemies of the State, had decided to research Group 13 to
write a book on them. He soon changed his mind. One day during his research
phase he was forcibly dragged in to the back of a Transit van and had a gun
stuck to his head. A voice told him it would be unwise to continue his
project. Sensibly, he decided to abandon the project and instead write a book
on an altogether different subject. Group 13 is generally believed to have
evolved from former SAS soldiers and Security and Intelligence operatives who
were once active in Northern Ireland during the mid to late nineteen
seventies when a Labour Government was still in power. Fred Holroyd, a
Captain in British Army Intelligence, served in Northern Ireland during this
period. Holroyd was tasked with developing informers and other human
intelligence sources connected to the IRA. It was inherently dangerous work,
made a lot worse by a viscous turf battle between MI5 and MI6 for control of
the Northern Ireland "patch." Matters grew increasingly nasty as "assets" for
each of the two contending groups were tossed to the wolves. Holroyd, when
interviewed by The X Factor, outlined some details of this dirty war,
recalled incidents where bombs were placed by one of these factions and then
roundly blamed on the IRA. Holroyd's story and later disgraceful treatment at
the hands of the British Army are recounted in his book "War without
Dishonour." Holroyd's account sheds light on the so called "Shoot to Kill"
policy in Northern Ireland that resulted in the dysfunctional investigation
of former senior police officer, John Stalker. This investigation ultimately
resulted in the gripping feature film: Hidden Agenda.

The Special Air Service was formed during World War II by David Sterling with
the intention to operate behind enemy lines and to perform acts of sabotage
and assassination. By 1969, the SAS had been sent to Northern Ireland to
perform covert operations against the IRA - which included assassination. To
cover their deployment to this politically sensitive area they chose the
guise of "training teams." A succession of cover names was used over the next
few years; these
included the Military Reconnaissance Force (MRF), the 14th Intelligence unit,
and the Four Field Survey Troop, Royal Engineers. Fred Holroyd states that
the latter was very definitely a SAS undercover unit stationed at the Royal
Engineers base at Castiledillon, Armagh. 1974 was a critical year in British
politics. It saw the election victory of the Labour Party in February and was
soon followed by rumours of an impending coup d'etat. Right wing groups
operating in the shadows of power began to form themselves. These groups saw
Premier Harold Wilson and certain members of his Cabinet, as no holds barred
communists taking orders from Moscow. The idea that Wilson was a communist
mole is, even by today's paranoid delusions, a farcical belief. At that time,
however, planning for a right wing coup was seen by these extremists as the
only alternative to keeping Britain from the wily grasp of Moscow. One of
these groups was named GB75, and was organised by David Sterling, founder of
the SAS. Significantly, GB75 and the other groups had close contacts to the
British security and intelligence community, from which they probably
received some form of unofficial succour.

Founded in 1970 was another mysterious group which called itself Resistance
and Psychological Operations Committee (RPOC). RPOC was established in line
with the Reserve Forces Association and was said to be a reflection of the
Special Operations Executive (SOE) - a World War II dirty tricks operation.
According to one former member, RPOC had a clandestine section which formed
an underground resistance movement in the event Russia invaded the United
Kingdom. With a nod and a wink of the Conservative government of the day, it
forged close links to the British security and intelligence apparatus, and
"...formed close links with the SAS...own secret intelligence network."

Little is known of the SAS's secret intelligence network, apart from one
enlightening publication. Ranulf Fiennes, the Arctic trekker, was a one-time
member of the SAS. In his 

[CTRL] "in the line of duty." vs. The supremacy clause

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Lord Horiuchi of Ruby Ridge
By Me [Claire Wolfe]

Posted February 16, 1998


Lon Horiuchi's tax-paid attorneys, having maneuvered state manslaughter
charges against their client into federal court, now claim the supremacy
clause of the Constitution makes all federal employees exempt from all state
law, as long as the employees are acting "in the line of duty." The
supremacy clause states:

"This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in
Pursuance thereof...shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in
every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of
any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

To anyone but a lawyer this merely means that when a state law conflicts
with (constitutional) federal law, the federal law will prevail. Idaho's
manslaughter laws don't conflict with any federal statutes.

Charles Curley, gun-rights activist and legal buff, points out that the
lawyers' bold move is actually covered in another section of the
Constitution -- and not covered in their favor. This section reads:

"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States."

A title of nobility isn't just an honorific such as "Sir" or "Lord." The
essence of nobility is creation a separate class with innate privileges --
private laws -- of its own. "Laws" that say federal employees have to obey
no one and nothing outside their own class clearly enshrine and protect an
American nobility.

Federal employees have already assumed privileged status by default. If
Horiuchi's government attorneys succeed in making their private law
official, then we might as well bow down and call Horiuchi what they will
have made him: our Lord and Master.

In the line of duty

In the line of duty is another interesting claim. Horiuchi is immune from
state prosecution, his lawyers say, because he was acting in the line of
duty. This argument got his case transferred to federal court in the first
place.

Now, let's see. At Ruby Ridge, in 1992, Horiuchi was ordered to shoot any
armed male on sight, whether or not that person was endangering anyone. It's
an illegal order, as any schoolchild should know. And it's a highly
unorthodox order, as any professional sniper would certainly know.

Since the claim, "I vass only following orders!" was demolished at
Nuremberg, Horiuchi had both a moral and legal duty to refuse any such
order. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

What did he do next? While nearly a dozen other snipers held their fire,
Horiuchi elected to make two shots. He fired the second one into a house
full of children -- an absolutely verboten procedure. He fired it through a
window in a door. His own debriefing sketch shows he knew there were at
least two people on the other side of that window.

In other words, he disregarded "duty," "orders" or anything else, and simply
decided that anyone in that house was a fair target for his sharpshooting.
So, was he operating "in the line of duty" when he decided to kill Vicki
Weaver?

You be the judge. But it might help to look at some similar, hypothetical
situations.

Let's say you were being audited and, in the course of examining your
receipts, the IRS auditor found evidence you were having an affair. He
blackmails you.

Line of duty?

Well, he found the evidence in the course of an audit, didn't he? And as
long as his blackmail was done on IRS time and in the IRS office, by the
standard applied by Horiuchi's lawyers, he would be operating "in the line
of duty."

Let's say BATF agents came to your house in the course of an investigation.
One of the agents decided to lift your really cool AR-15 for her personal
collection. But she's still operating in the line of duty, isn't she? I
mean, she was sent to your house to take your guns and that's what she did.
So what if, like Horiuchi, she decided to give a slight personal
interpretation to her orders?

Line of duty? Sure, why not!

And now you're in federal prison and a guard decides to, say, sodomize you
with a toilet plunger. Hey, as long as that old guard is on duty, in
uniform, and committing his sodomy in the name of keeping order, I guess
that would be line of duty.

At least by government lawyer standards.

Here's an idea: plead guilty

This has gone on too long, and the potential damage to freedom from these
lawyer tactics is too great. One person has the ability to end this travesty
right now: Lon Horiuchi himself.

A syndicated columnist wrote, several years ago, that his friend Lon
Horiuchi was being misjudged. He said Horiuchi was not the ice-blooded
monster he was reputed to be, but was, in fact, more like Randy Weaver than
like Janet Reno -- a religious and political conservative who homeschooled
his children as a matter of principle.

I don't know Horiuchi, but I don't see any reason to disbelieve the
columnist, who does know him.

So, okay, Lon, if you're such a principled and religious fellow, why don't
you just do the right t

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day,
I'm still here; just decided not to stay involved with idiots. There are
a few, such as yourself , that I consider worth writing to.
E Mael sounds like a real kook to me. He hasn't written to me that I
know of. What did you say to set him off?
Like Colleen Jones and her friends, E Mael really has nothing worth
saying, else he would say it.
If it were me, I'd let the fool continue. It won't hurt you and will
show what a fool E Mael is to everyone else on the list.
Good Luck,
John Lee  P.S. I think I would mail each of his posts to everyone I
know. What the hell, let everyone share a laugh!
John
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 4:00 PM
Subject: ctrl list


> Hi John:Are you still subscribed to the list?
> I'm still getting private posts from E Mael, even
> though I've asked him/her to stop.   This is the
> latest one.I've forwarded it on to the list
> moderator in the hopes it will stop.Hope
> everything is fine with you.Day
>
> --
> > From: E Mael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re(2): Re(2): Re(2): [CTRL] Love letters
> > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 2:29 PM
> >
> > if only that were true; you say but you do not mean; you speak but
nothing
> > comes out; nobody takes you seriously. you truely are a sick little
nobody
> > and you will never allow yourself to see the truth of any of this. you
are
> > a waste of flesh and others know this but put up with you because they
> > have to and they do not even bother to tell you that they respect your
> > mind even less.
> >
> > your lie to me bother me not, but the lie to yourself is your illness;
now
> > go forward acting like you never read this and know that not only are
your
> > words empty to me but they are to you too. teach you to mess with
somebody
> > you do not know. everybody knows how you lie to yourself, you are the
only
> > one who does not know because your self deception is so complete.
> >
> > you truely are a loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser
> > loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser
> > loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser loser.
> > hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhaha
> >
>

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[CTRL] Spoiled By War

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>From The Independent (UK)


> 
> June 3, 1999
>
> 
>
> An Intimate History of Killing by Joanna Bourke, Granta, £25
>
>
> Frank McLynn
>
> NO GODDAM sonofabitch ever won a war by dying for his country; he won
> it by getting the other poor dumb sonofabitch to die for his." General
> George Patton's striking words skate over the problem. How exactly
> does one train the "ordinary" man to be a killer in wartime? How does
> one get him to fight at all? As Joanna Bourke rightly argues, these
> issues have scarcely been addressed in serious literature. It is
> simply assumed that the gung-ho ethos of, say, the US Marines will
> spontaneously produce its own ideology of combat. But, as Michael
> Hickey demonstrated in his recent volume on Korea, and Bourke herself
> shows from her examination of the two world wars and Vietnam,
> so-called "bug-out fever" takes a lot of overcoming.
>
> Bourke argues that if the experience of warfare were universally
> perceived to be as grim as in, say, Robert Graves's Goodbye to All
> That, one of two things would happen. Either war would become
> impossible and the pacifists' dream fulfilled, or civilisation itself
> would be overwhelmed by a tidal wave of brutal soldiers, returning in
> their millions to destroy "normal" life.
>
> That neither of these events takes place is strong evidence for a kind
> of dualism in the human male, and possibly the female. In wartime
> sane, well-adjusted men can be socialised into efficient killing
> machines - "willing executioners" - yet smoothly make the transition
> back to normal life. This is because certain psychic mechanisms can be
> energised in wartime. We are back with the pleasure principle again.
>
> Bourke argues that legitimised killing in wartime can produce feelings
> of pleasure and even creativity. She outlines the various ways in
> which being a warrior has compensations. In the first place, the
> chances of dying may have been overstated, and in the second there are
> massive rewards for being a licensed killer. One can role play, and
> imagine oneself a John Wayne or Clint Eastwood; there is a kind of
> comradeship and love not available in civilian life; one may be
> introduced to new horizons, become aware of new worlds beyond the
> ghetto, factory and mill, and even achieve a breakthrough into a world
> of different values.
>
> Most of all, there is the sexualisation of warfare: not just the
> "orgasmic" pleasure of killing, but the freedom from restraint on
> rape. Bourke establishes that it was routine in Vietnam for combat
> platoons to kidnap desirable women from Vietnamese villages and then
> gang-rape them, moving on the next night to repeat the experience.
> Whether the woman was killed after the mass rapes depended entirely on
> how G I Joe was feeling that night.
>
> This leads Bourke into a depressing, stomach-churning section on war
> crimes. She is to be commended for her unflinching courage in facing
> up to this dark aspect of mankind. Two conclusions seem inescapable.
> First, war crimes are a ubiquitous feature of warfare, and although
> the criminals at Nuremberg deserved their fate, their trial and
> execution was no more than hypocritical "victor's justice". Second,
> theorists of human perfectibility must have been considering a species
> other than homo sapiens. There is not a chance in a million that the
> "normal" depravity analysed by Bourke could form the basis for a New
> Jerusalem.
>
> Bourke's book, buttressed by massive scholarship and a complete
> absence of parti pris, is an outstanding achievement and completely
> convincing as far as it goes. But I wonder if her main thesis - that
> the best killers are ordinary people full of love and empathy, who do
> not suffer significant postwar trauma - is not vulnerable to two
> telling objections.
>
> First, she concentrates on US, British and Commonwealth troops in
> three conflicts where their casualty rates were extremely low. The
> Americans lost more men killed in their Civil War than in the two
> World Wars and Vietnam combined. I am doubtful that the thesis of
> pleasure and creativity as compensation could be sustained in, say,
> the "Great Patriotic War" of 1941-45 between Germany and the Soviet
> Union, in which 50 million people died. Moreover, her thesis that
> returning veterans are not made unfit for civilian life seems refuted
> by one salient statistic: 55,000 Americans were killed in combat in
> Vietnam, yet 100,000 US veterans committed suicide after their return.
>
>
> I would not want to suggest that this is anything other than a
> splendid and original contribution to a debate which must entail
> ultimate questions about the meaning of being human. Bourke includes
> fascinating, if depressing, chapters on the role of military
> psychologists, padres and women, and allows no facile answers to
> emerge. Her mastery of the psychoanalytical literature is impressive,
> and throughout there are the unmistakabl

[CTRL] Total State

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From TheNewAmerican
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/07-05-99/vo15no14_total.htm



> Vol. 15, No. 14
> July 5, 1999
> Table of Contents
>
> More on Education
> More on Family
> More on Traditional Values/Religion
>
> Toward the Total State
> by William Norman Grigg
>
> Has the left won America’s culture war? Some observers, including
> political organizer Paul Weyrich (who coined the term "moral
> majority"), appear to think so. For many Americans who cherish our
> nation’s traditions of individual freedom, limited government, and
> personal moral responsibility, the Clinton impeachment melodrama
> abounded in evidence that America has undergone a dramatic
> transformation.
>
> If one were to credit the ubiquitous opinion polls and the outpourings
> of the "mainstream" media, the American people were nearly unanimous
> in their support for President Clinton, despite his ongoing personal
> depravity and his willingness to abuse both the powers of his office
> and the institutions of our judicial system in order to retain his
> position as the nation’s chief executive. The only holdouts were to be
> found among the "religious right," which — according to the custodians
> of "respectable" opinion — is a marginalized group unworthy of
> political influence.
>
> While the outcome of impeachment was largely a product of the gangland
> tactics (including blackmail and character assassination) employed by
> the Clinton Administration against its opponents, as well as the
> institutional cowardice of the Senate, there is no doubt that
> America’s culture has undergone a dramatic transformation — a
> transformation engineered by the radical left. Writing in the Winter
> 1996 issue of the Marxist journal Dissent, Michael Walzer enumerated
> some of the cultural victories won by the left since the 1960s:
>
> • "The visible impact of feminism."
>
> • "The effects of affirmative action."
>
> • "The emergence of gay rights politics, and … the attention paid to
> it in the media."
>
> • "The acceptance of cultural pluralism."
>
> • "The transformation of family life," including "rising divorce
> rates, changing sexual mores, new household arrangements — and, again,
> the portrayal of all this in the media."
>
> • "The progress of secularization; the fading of religion in general
> and Christianity in particular from the public sphere — classrooms,
> textbooks, legal codes, holidays, and so on."
>
> • "The virtual abolition of capital punishment."
>
> • "The legalization of abortion."
>
> • "The first successes in the effort to regulate and limit the private
> ownership of guns."
>
> Significantly, Walzer admitted that these victories were imposed upon
> our society by "liberal elites," rather than being driven "by the
> pressure of a mass movement or a majoritarian party." These changes
> "reflect the leftism or liberalism of lawyers, judges, federal
> bureaucrats, professors, school teachers, social workers, journalists,
> television and screen writers — not the population at large," noted
> Walzer. Rather than building "stable or lasting movements or
> creat[ing] coherent constituencies," the left focused on "winning the
> Gramscian war of position."
>
> While most Americans would be mystified by Walzer’s reference to
> Italian Communist theoretician Antonio Gramsci, those who wish to
> understand the ongoing culture war must first have some understanding
> of the Gramscian concept of the "long march through the institutions."
> The process described by Walzer, in which the cultural and
> bureaucratic organs of our society have fallen under the influence of
> "progressive" forces devoted to transforming our nation, is derived
> directly from Gramsci’s blueprint for Marxist subversion. Gramsci’s
> distinctive insight, as we will shortly see, was that the construction
> of the total state requires the seizure of the "mediating
> institutions" that insulate the individual from the power of the
> government — the family, organized religion, and so forth — and a
> systematic redefinition of the culture in order to sustain the new
> political order.
>
> That process is well underway in our nation — and if it is
> consummated, Americans will learn that the culture war is a deadly
> serious effort to destroy the institutions and traditions that have
> protected Americans from the horrors of the total state.
>
> "The scientific concept of dictatorship," wrote Soviet dictator
> Vladimir Lenin, "means nothing else but this: power without limit,
> resting directly upon force, restrained by no laws, absolutely
> unrestricted by rules." Benito Mussolini’s totalitarian formula was
> even more concise: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the
> state, nothing against the state." Whatever its specific configuration
> or ideological pretext, the total state always requires that all human
> activities be made subject to its power. But to exercise that power,
> the total state relies, to a remarkable ext

Re: [CTRL] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STO P TAX***STOPTAX***STOTAX!!!!!!!!!!...

[Anonymous]

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Prudy,
Honestly, it's an internet legend, a joke, a scam, a prank...
It absolutely isn't going to happen!!!
Bill.

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[CTRL] DISPATCH # 111 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

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DISPATCH # 111 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

S O M E T H I N G   S T R A N G E   I S   H A P P E N I N G

6/23/99

Quote of the Week

"One man with courage makes a majority."

-- Andrew Jackson

---

Rant of the Week: “You Are What You Eat”

Every week we pick the wackiest, scariest, nastiest or funniest rant from the
deluge of letters received by us here at ParaScope headquarters, and present
it to you as our Rant of the Week. This week, Ashnak brings us up to speed on
the subliminal mind control and rampant cannibalism employed by TV
executives. (Like we don't already know abou that!) Enjoy.

"Dear government monitor, the terrorism is coming through simulcast
television signals beamed by satellite to play with some of the networks in
this country.  They have moved up the broadcast time to 8 p.m., but I won't
watch CBS or NBC at all now.  This subliminal television is brainwashing our
children into doing the killing of each other.  It is to destroy the
brightest minds of our future citizens in this country.

"I explained this too you.  You know it is very feasible and it is simplicity
in itself. Maybe if the government spends more time and resources cleaning up
this mess on the airwaves, and less time watching its own citizens, we would
have less problems and more surplus tax dollars. Why don't you turn your
think tank and your pretender on them. Let Major Tom, your brightest go to
work on tracking these subliminal transmissions.  I am not going to do the
work for you. I am here to observe. This is a test.  You are the student, not
me. How are you going to score.

"Now, I also told you, and have been telling you in letters about the human
cannibals that stalk this country.  They are not a figment of my imagination.
 I told you this when Adam's father began trying to find out what happened to
his son. Now, Teka was taken from Tacoma, from a bowling alley where my own
granddaughter was.  It could have been my granddaughter, but I just found
that out yesterday.  I told you about this last week.  She was transported by
car down I5 to Portland.  She was killed there and her body was shipped by
plane to New York City.  There she was served up by a Television Network head
at a banquet.

"He promises his performers the fountain of youth. The think "You are what
you eat.  If you eat young, beautiful children, that's what you become."
Well, that's a lie, but they do it anyway.  Now, investigate, track, find,
and indict.  I'm not going to help you with any other problems, and neither
are my allies until you physically get off your butts and get working on
these issues. That's a promise you can carve in Granite.

"However, I can keep informing the public what lengths it's government goes
to to gain power and to keep big money dragging in the gold.  I can also keep
the income of those who can afford to buy human children for food down so
they can't buy so many, and you know I can.  I am not alone in doing this."

--

All rants are printed “as is,” with spelling and grammar goofs left
uncorrected. Some rants may be edited for brevity or clarity, to the extent
such a thing is possible. If you’ve got a rant you’d like to share, send it
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with “possible rant” in the subject line of your letter.

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Coming Up Soon on ParaScope!

Catch a number of great stories this week on the ParaScope web site,
including regular updates to ParaScope Newsline, "Today in ParaHistory" and
other content features.


Holy Spooks: CIA's "Bible Lesson on Spying"

In times of crisis, some people turn to a higher power for solace and
guidance. When the Central Intelligence Agency's public standing hit the
skids in the mid 1970s, one officer delved into scripture for insight on the
ethics of "inherently insidious spying." The result, a study called "A Bible
Lesson on Spying," appeared in the CIA's classified spy journal, Studies in
Intelligence. Is it a sin to spy? Dossier will post the full document online
-- so give this odd bit of espionage analysis your prayerful consideration
and decide for yourself.

---

Joe Firmage and the MJ-12 Controversy

When ParaScope correspondent John Shirley agreed to host a MUFON discussion
of "Majestic Twelve" as the officially-designated skeptic, he had no idea
that he'd end up chatting with Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols just before
receiving a New Age spiritual indoctrination from corporate executive and UFO
advocate Joe Firmage. And amidst all the wackiness, he even had time to
debate the soft, squishy parts of the MJ-12 controversy with Bob and Ryan
Wood. Is "Majestic Twelve" all just a hoax? Is it a covert disinformation
operation? Are the space brothers a-fixin' to "evolve" humanity to the next
step of quantum evolution? Why was Joe Firmage pressured to resign from the
company he founded after he openly expressed his belief in extraterrestrial
life? These questions and more considered in thi

Re: [CTRL] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!STO P TAX***STOPTAX***STOTAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 06/23/1999 6:07:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 >
 > Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge
 > on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at
 > source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. >>

I don't know guys.  Here it comes again, and this is a pretty credible
source.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Masonic Education: The Big "G"

[Anonymous]

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hi,
GAOTU - great architect of the Universe, ok
M = egyptian L, ok
SIRIUS = JACKAL = SATAN - I'm not so sure about that.

I thought that Sirius was equatable with the Birth of Horus
and the rebirth of the new age of Horus - maybe the return
of some primordial 'son of darkness'  - c21 but I doubt if ancient
egypt knew or cared about 'Satan' when they had Set.
Sorry to criticise this scholar - but it all sounds very 'american'
with a christian spin on it.
There is evil being worshipped, expected and entertained - but it
doesn't help [imo] if the available facts are given convenience labels.
Good Christain folks should be worried however .. !
David Ikes story that George Bush and the Mothers of darkness go
into the pyramid with its new gold capstone at cairo to usher in
the new age of Horus - seems almost credible in this light.

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] Fwd: Pat Robertson & the Needle's Eye

[Anonymous]

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>>_

>>

>>   ROBERTSON, LIBERIAN LEADER HOPE TO STRIKE GOLD

>> IN COASTAL AFRICA

>>_

>>

>>  THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT

>>  Wednesday, June 2, 1999

>>  http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0602gol.html

>>  BY BILL SIZEMORE, The Virginian-Pilot

>>

>>  Pat Robertson, whose failed African diamond-mining operation

>>five years ago stirred criticism and prompted a still-ongoing

>>state investigation, is embarking on a new African mining

>>venture.

>>

>>  This time he's searching for gold.

>>

>>  As an ally, Robertson has an African strongman with a

>>colorful and bloody past.

>>

>>  Liberian President Charles Taylor has signed a mineral

>>development agreement with Freedom Gold Ltd., a Robertson-owned

>>company based at the Virginia Beach headquarters of Robertson's

>>Christian Broadcasting Network. It allows for exploration and

>>subsequent mining rights in the Bukon Jedeh region of

>>southeastern Liberia, which is believed to have substantial gold

>>reserves.

>>

>>  The for-profit company was incorporated in the Cayman

>>Islands last December. Robertson is listed as the company's

>>president and sole director.

>>

>>  Joseph Mathews, vice president of finance and administration

>>for Freedom Gold, last week confirmed Liberian media reports that

>>Robertson's company is committed to spending $10 million to $15

>>million in the exploratory phase of the venture. The mining

>>company has no connection to Robertson's television ministry,

>>Mathews said.

>>

>>  ``At this point we're not sure where all that money is

>>coming from,'' Mathews said. ``. . . One of the options we have

>>is, in the process of exploration, the government has allowed us

>>to use some of the gold that we uncover then to defray some of

>>the costs of exploration. We've got some geologists trying to

>>find out how much that is.''

>>

>>  If the agreement is ratified by the Liberian legislature,

>>the Liberian government will get a 10 percent equity interest in

>>the company and Liberians will be offered the opportunity to

>>purchase at least 15 percent of the shares after the exploration

>>period, Mathews said.

>>

>>  A Liberian government press release issued last month quoted

>>Robertson as telling Taylor, ``I pray that this investment may

>>become a wonderful blessing to the people of Liberia and will be

>>one of many significant investments that will be made under your

>>administration in the nation of Liberia.''

>>

>>  Mathews said Robertson's intent is to help ``kick-start''

>>the Liberian economy, which has been shattered by years of civil

>>war.

>>

>>  There was no indication from the press release or Freedom

>>Gold's incorporation papers of how the company is capitalized or

>>its projected employment, income and start-up date.

>>

>>  Taylor has declared his intention to head a government that

>>respects human rights and the rule of law. But the U.S. State

>>Department has maintained an arm's-length relationship with him,

>>citing his record of alleged human rights abuses and the

>>atmosphere of intimidation that attended his ascension to power.

>>

>>  Among other claims to fame, Taylor, 51, is the only man to

>>escape from the Plymouth County, Mass., jail and never be caught.

>>

>>  He fled to the United States in 1983 after being accused of

>>embezzling $1 million from the Liberian government. He was

>>arrested by U.S. marshals and was locked in the Plymouth jail as

>>a federal detainee awaiting extradition.

>>

>>  On Sept. 15, 1985, with a hacksaw and a rope of knotted

>>bedsheets, he and four other inmates climbed out a second-story

>>window and ran into the woods. His fellow escapees were captured

>>within days, but Taylor was never seen in this country again.

>>

>>  A warrant for his arrest on escape charges, which was

>>ultimately withdrawn, remained on the books in Massachusetts for

>>years.

>>

>>  Taylor vanished until 1989, when he turned up in Liberia

>>with an armed band of rebels and began a long, bloody march to

>>power.

>>

>>  He became president in a 1997 election that ended seven

>>years of factional fighting in which half of Liberia's 3 million

>>people were killed or displaced.

>>

>>  A report this year by Human Rights Watch blamed all factions

>>in the civil war for atrocities -- including executions, torture,

>>forced labor and extortion -- against civilians.

>>

>>  After taking power, Taylor placed many of his faction's

>>fighters in the Liberian security and police forces. He created a

>>special security unit, known informally as the ``tie-dye boys''

>>because of their blue camouflage uniforms. The unit quickly

>>became noted for harassing civilians an

Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

>Undoubtedly an autonomous state for fundamentalist Xtians would be in the
running almost immediately, but remembering the historic tendency of
Xtians, even if it began united, it'd fragment quickly into a number of
smaller states, all divided along petty sectarian lines.

Remembering the historic tendency of Xtians, they'd probably raise an
army, conquer the rest of California, steal our land and enslave us, "for
the good of our souls" of course.

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Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

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In a message dated 99-06-23 09:26:06 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> A new California Republic would be reborn too,
>with the 6th largest economy in the world, dwarfing Dixie &
>Texas. ... by the time the US balkanizes totally, California
>will be the fifth or fourth largest economy in the world,
>the dominant realm of North America.

  The trouble with devolution ("balkanization") is, once it gets
started, it has no bottom floor.  There has already been discussion in recent
years of northern California "seceding" from southern California, so great
are the "cultural" differences between the two.  However, any "sovereign
state" created in northern California --California being what it is-- would
of course not meet with the approval of certain communities therein, so, once
the legal precedent had been set, we could then expect the People's Republic
of Berkeley to sedece from it, followed shortly thereafter by an independent
mini-state "for women only," one for gays, and much the same for separatist
blacks and latinos ("Aztlan" or whatever).  Undoubtedly an autonomous state
for fundamentalist Xtians would be in the running almost immediately, but
remembering the historic tendency of Xtians, even if it began united, it'd
fragment quickly into a number of smaller states, all divided along petty
sectarian lines. Probably the Scientologists would secede too ...

The nice thing about "globalism" is that at least there's a CEILING to it --
humanity, the species, and the planet as a whole.  In contrast to
"devolution," which --as ENTROPY-- merely disintegrates, down to the ultimate
DIS-unity, paranoid alienated "individualism," aka "anarchy." There are no
limits, alas, to the process of making fine, finer, and still finer
distinctions between individual human beings --based on race, gender,
religion, language, dialect, etc., ad nauseum-- and then reifying each and
every random surface difference into a supposedly "rational," even "good,"
reason for perpetual intraspecies savagery.  HUMAN "evolution" then becomes a
contest for who's most INHUMANE .

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[CTRL] California enacts gun confiscation law in time for Y2K!

[Anonymous]

http://www.y2knewswire.com/19990623hi.htm
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Y2KNEWSWIRE has confirmed with the California State Attorney General office: certain firearms are now under a confiscation order. This, also posted on a state-run web site. California residents must turn in their SKS rifles by 1/1/2000 -- precisely the Y2K rollover date -- or face criminal prosecution. Recently-enacted legislation mandates this confiscation, calling it a "buyback" program and offering to reimburse gun owners $230 per "relinquished" rifle.Amid cries from gun owners that their Second Amendment rights are being further trampled just in time for Y2K, Y2KNEWSWIRE hit the phones to find out exactly what's going on here.We spoke with Nathan Barankin, Director of Communications for the California Attorney General office, who informed us that this recent SKS gun ban issue arises from an unresolved legal definition. California was one of the first states to pass a ban on so-called "assault weapons," which included the SKS rifle -- but only if the rifle had a detachable magazine. Rifles with fixed, non-removable magazines were exempt from this confiscation order, but those with removable magazine had to be recorded ("registered") and turned over to government authorities.Many owners of fixed-magazine SKS rifles later converted them to removable-magazine models. At the time, the Attorney General (who is not the current AG) wrote a letter to these gun owners assuring them that these rifles were perfectly legal and not subject to the gun confiscation order.In 1996, a man owning one of these converted rifles was arrested in Santa Clara County and prosecuted by the District Attorney for possessing an illegal firearm. The case wound its way to the state Supreme Court where a decision was finally handed down: yes, indeed, these rifles are illegal, the court said.This ruling created instant criminals. Barankin told Y2KNEWSWIRE, "So what we had in 1997 was, by judicial ruling, a law that says all these people who had been informed that these weapons were legal… were now suddenly felons."Yes: a state court decision transformed law-abiding citizens into felons. Recognizing the obvious problem here, the state legislature passed a bill that would allow owners of these newly-illegal SKS rifles a "window of opportunity" to turn them in without being prosecuted as felons. Barankin says, "This was not something that the legislature took a great deal of pleasure in doing." In fact, the author of this bill was a former chapter president of the NRA in Los Angeles.Currently, the Attorney General is trying to get the word out to people so that local police aren't forced to arrest these newly-defined "felons" who would likely end up doing time in prison for owning a gun that the state previously assured them was perfectly legal!THAT'S THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONBut the story may be much larger than this. Barankin told Y2KNEWSWIRE about the trees, not the forest. We threw out a wildcard and asked Barankin his thoughts on the parallels between California's gun confiscation program and Adolf Hitler's gun registration (and subsequent confiscation) that ultimately helped the regime kill millions of ethnic Jews with minimum resistance.He didn't waver. He answered, "Let me put it this way, Bill Lockyer [the Attorney General] himself is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. What the state is attempting to do is enact reasonable gun control laws that are necessary to protect the public. One of those laws covers the assault weapons."We asked whether the current confiscation order would soon be expanded to other firearms. Barankin told us, "No." He explained further, "This is a very narrow situation

[CTRL] Fwd: FW: Re: SNET: Fwd: Christian Identity undergoes a revival in area,experts say

[Anonymous]

Now this is getting a little - well, what do they want, the Love
Letters, the Get Nastyor information on the Christian Identity
RevivalPraise, the Lord.

HELP!!!

Wonder if they think I got love letters from Bill Clintonreally.

Colleen




Hi,
This got forwarded through Eagleflight, and I am interested in knowing more.
I am in the Bremerton, Washington area, and am Christian Identity. If you
can offer more information, I would appreciate it. We have four organized
C.I. churches in the Puget Sound area now. Vaya Con Dios, Andy

-Original Message-
From:   David E. Rydel  "EAGLEFLIGHT" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, June 23, 1999 06:01
To: Recipient list suppressed
Subject:Fwd: Re: SNET: Fwd: Christian Identity undergoes a revival in
area,experts say
>X-Webtv-Signature: 1
>   ETAsAhQlUQiyuJfarfuVQmReCvmytTXsFAIUGSmVkf797LpYbM/dpl9vY6EW3P8=
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>Date:  Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:52:26 -0400 (EDT)
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:   Re: SNET: Fwd: Christian Identity undergoes a revival in area,
>   experts say
>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>->  SNETNEWS  Mailing List
>
>Thank you allI sit in the dark and type, and should use the
>spellchecker; and do get careless, but face it...nobody is looking for
>the Pulitizer Prize or the Nobel Peace Award.
>
>I suppose I should read back what I write and use the spell check, but I
>would rather just move onto something else.
>
>Sometimes I work very late..and answer mail I do not even remember
>answeringuntil the next day.
>
>I got accused today of sending love letters on the net - if they want to
>read love letters, I will send them a file I broke into - now those, are
>love letters...right Bill?
>
>Colleen
>
>
>
>
>-> Send "subscribe   snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>->  Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>

[CTRL] STARR PUTS [thugess]HILLARY ON WITNESS LIST IN[thug] HUBBELL TRIAL

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

X DRUDGE REPORT X WED, JUNE 23, 1999 11:21:58 ET X

STARR PUTS HILLARY ON WITNESS LIST IN HUBBELL TRIAL

FOX NEWS on Wednesday confirmed a DRUDGE REPORT [MARCH 18, 1999] that
prosecutors working for Kenneth Starr are preparing to order Hillary Clinton
to testify in the upcoming trial of her former law partner Webster Hubbell.

The independent counsel's office and defense attorneys have both submitted
witness lists to the court. And Mrs. Clinton is listed as a "prosecution
witness," according to FOX NEWS' David Shuster.

The development means that at the very time Mrs. Clinton is starting her
campaign for a New York Senate Seat, Starr will be attempting to get
information from her under oath about a questionable land deal in Arkansas.

FLASHBACK:

X DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY, MARCH 18, 1999 02:29:33 ET X

EXCLUSIVE: STARR TEAM PLANNING TO CALL FIRST LADY IN HUBBELL TRIAL

WASHINGTON -- Prosecutors from the Office of the Independent Counsel have
put Hillary Rodham Clinton on their witness list in the coming trial of her
former law partner, Webster Hubbell, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The trial is scheduled to begin sometime in the summer.

"She's on the working witness list," one case insider told the DRUDGE REPORT
in Washington. "[The OIC] is quietly preparing its court case."

Mrs. Clinton is referred to 36 times in the fraud indictment filed against
Hubbell.

The raw spectacle of calling the First Lady of the United States as a
witness in a public trial would not come without risk for Starr prosecutors.

"The move could backfire and could quickly turn into a public relations
disaster... if it turns out that Mrs. Clinton has nothing more to offer,"
said a source directly involved in case planning.

"She has not been very helpful solving the Castle Grande riddle before the
grand jury."


One option actively being discussed inside of Starr's office, the DRUDGE
REPORT has learned, is to call Mrs. Clinton for fresh videotaped testimony.

"Instead of dragging her into public court, she may be given the option of
appearing as a witness on tape, much like the president did in the original
Whitewater trial in Little Rock," said the case insider.

It is not clear if Mrs. Clinton has been notified that her name is on an
active witness list for the Hubbell trial.

The insider cautioned that Ken Starr himself has not yet "completely
signed-off" on calling Mrs. Clinton, but prosecutors chosen to argue the
case in court have become convinced that she is a key witness and she will
be subpoenaed to appear.

X X X X X
http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm



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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: High Times Online: Colorado To Jurors: We Own Your Mind!

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Colorado To Jurors: We Own Your Mind!

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/new/9906/laurak.html

FILED 06/18/99

DENVER, CO--The Colorado prosecutors who have helped hemp activist Laura
Kriho make "jury nullification" a household word across America have not
tired in their crusade. Although the state Court of Appeals last April
cleared Kriho of criminal charges for voicing her political opinions in a
jury room in 1996, the state government itself is now filing for a
re-hearing of the case.

Kriho's qualms about consigning a teenager to a long stretch in prison for
personal-quantity drug possession, and her attempt to articulate them to
the other jurors on the case, did indeed constitute "contempt of court,"
the state itself is now charging. They're insisting that the Appeals
justices reverse their reasoning and find Kriho guilty after all--thus
keeping the concept of jury nullification foresquare before the public's
attention, at no greater cost than a small Rocky Mountain of taxpayer
dollars (so far), and about $25,000 that Kriho has had to put up to defend
herself.

Heresy In The Court!
Ironically, Laura Kriho tried to get out of jury duty on that fateful 1996
day, telling a secretary she would have to hitchhike down to the Gilpin
County courthouse from her mountain home, but she was told she had to be
there. She later found out that she might've been charged $500 with a
remote chance of serving jail time if she hadn't shown up. Instead, Kriho
wound up fined $1,200 for the contempt-of-court charge, and being dragged
back to court again and again and again, for three years and counting.

As an alternate-juror candidate, Kriho wasn't even in the jury box during
the pretrial voir dire selection questioning by defense and prosecution
lawyers, which took several hours and consisted of over 300 questions. When
she was finally called, after other potential jurors had been rejected,
Kriho says the questioner asked simply, "You heard the questions. Is there
anything you'd answer differently?" Kriho volunteered whatever information
she thought would be relevant--that she had once sued a developer, for
instance. She was not asked anything about her political activities with
the Colorado Hemp Initiative Project, nor was there any reason to do so.

The case being tried had nothing at all to do with hemp or even marijuana,
involving instead a 19-year-old girl facing a long string of very heavy
criminal charges for a very small amount of methamphetamine. Far from ever
trying to "bias" her fellow jurors toward the defendant in their
deliberations after both sides had rested, Kriho points out that they
unanimously voted for conviction on the charges of "criminal impersonation"
and possession of "drug paraphernalia."

But Kriho was the holdout juror on the third charge--criminal possession of
a Schedule I drug. Kriho felt there was not enough evidence to convict on
that charge, and that the police hadn't shown probable cause to search for
drugs or anything else. And though jury deliberations are supposed to be
sacrosanct, prosecutors later produced evidence that Kriho had spoken aloud
about the concept of jury nullification, under which individual jurors are
entitled to overlook the written law and vote with their conscience.

Ballistic On The Bench
She also confessed to the other jurors that she thought it was a shame that
the courts, not families, dealt nowadays with the sort of problems facing
this teenage defendant. "These are the radical arguments that got me in
trouble," Kriho says wryly. Indeed, when another juror sent an anonymous
note to trial judge Kenneth Barnhill, asking about jury nullification, he
instantly declared a mistrial, and county prosecutors instantly began
investigating Laura Kriho personally.

"That's not common," remarks Kriho's defense attorney, Paul Grant of
Parker, CO. Judge Barnhill "never verified if one person had these concerns
or twelve. He just blew up, lost his temper, and declared a mistrial. It's
not the way a judge should handle something like that."

Casting around for evidence to support contempt-of-court charges against
Kriho (or at least to vilify her), county investigators uncovered her long
association with COHIP, and even exhumed a 12-year-old LSD-possession
charge against her, which had resulted in a deferred judgment and been
officially expunged from her record--or so she'd been unreliably advised at
the time. These matters, though they had nothing to do with
methamphetamine,

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Stone Talks-Others Involved!/Major New Leads

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Subj:   Stone Talks-Others Involved!/Major New Leads
Date:   Tuesday, June 22, 1999 07:40:03 PM
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Check the Columbine Research Task Force website at:
http://columbine.home.dhs.org/
for further updates and information.


SHERIFF STONE BREAKS LONG SILENCE
Convinced Others Involved in Slaughter!

© 1999 NewsHawk Inc. All Rights reserved

Jefferson County's head sheriff John Stone, speaking with firm conviction
in an interview published June 19, 1999, made it decisively clear once and
for all that he is CONVINCED Harris and Klebold had accomplices in the
planning and execution of the shooting rampage at Columbine High School
April 20.

Breaking a long public silence about the horror which occurred on his watch,
Stone indicated the sheer weight of evidence and testimony regarding such
collaboration makes this conclusion unavoidable and undeniable.

Stone let it be known that such leads and evidence will be pursued to the
utmost extent until the truth is brought to light and justice is served, and
that the community, not to mention the nation, can not rest easy regarding
the nightmarish slaughter until this comes to pass. 

To quote the AOBOnline article here: 
   'Feeling burned by the coverage, Stone will no longer identify
   suspects, except to say he still believes the two killers had help in
   their plot to storm the school.
   
   "I've said all along there were more people involved and nothing has
   changed my thinking," he said. "There probably will be a lot of
   anxiety in this community until this investigation is wrapped up."'
(© 1999 APBOnline All rights res.)

Notably, the article pointedly defines the vicious murder and mayhem carried
out at the school that day as a "COMMANDO-STYLE RAID," a truly significant
point which correlates very closely with the latest astonishing leads just
passed on to NewsHawk by local sources. Following the text of the Stone
interview is information on these leads and some of their incredible
implications. It's reasonable to assume that this description of the horror
may well be due to certain information relayed by Stone to his interviewers
"off-the-record" and not published in the article. 

There was a tremendous amount of unavoidable and compelling evidence at the
scene indicating EXTENSIVE involvement on the part of paramilitary,
covert-operations AND intelligence agencies in the murder and mayhem: evidence
which is clear and well-known to many, including of course Sheriff Stone.

As well, Stone reaffirms his knowledge that Eric Harris's father Wayne was
without doubt incomprehensibly and unconscionably negligent as a parent in
taking serious preventive and corrective action concerning unavoidably obvious
indications that a great number of Eric's actions, interests and proclivities
were BLATANTLY destructive, dangerous, hate-obsessed, and in general highly
disturbed and troubling. Stone seems to imply in fact that Wayne Harris may
have been MORE than negligent; such as complicit!



MAJOR NEW LEADS BEING PURSUED
NewsHawk is working on developing some VERY serious leads as to ACTUAL
PARTICIPANTS in the Columbine slaughter (we're talking NAMES here) as
well as names of those persons and organizations who CONTRACTED with said
other participants to CARRY OUT the commando style massacre!

We CAN say right now, based on information provided from highly credible and
knowledgeable sources that this ungodly horror connects to very high levels
of international global power-broking, AND to some fairly well-known and
well-monied interests on the more local level as well.

Early reports out of Littleton after the massacre of Internet warnings
of an impending violent rampage at the school posted during the days
BEFORE the slaughter by a gay goth/Trenchcoat faction represented by
someone calling themselves "Queen Jeff," have received some substantial
verification from a source.  

Along these lines reports surfaced right after the slayings to the effect
Harris and Klebold were involved in a homosexual relationship. One of our
contacts in Denver, a highly credible person by all estimates who's provided
some SERIOUS leads, knows Klebold's next-door neighbors personally, who in
turn know the Klebolds personally. This contact has run this by the Klebolds'
neighbors--as to whether Harris and Klebold having such a relationship was
PLAUSIBLE, based on their knowledge of the situation. This source indicated
the neighbors believed it WAS plausible.

Indeed NewsHawk has in fact very rec

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fw: This stinks !!!!

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

This e-mail tax story is a fraud, a fabrication, and absolutely untrue.

Bill.

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[CTRL] NYTimes,Editorial,6/17/99: Al Gore as the Un-Clinton [a must]

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RELATED STORY:  The Times Unofficially Endorses Gore: Bush Confuses The
Media
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/mugger.html




June 17, 1999


Al Gore as the Un-Clinton

All Vice Presidents have a special challenge when they try to run for
President themselves. They have to campaign on the achievements of the
outgoing Administration while also separating themselves from its failings.
In one sense Al Gore's job should be a straightforward one. Practically
everyone on the planet can identify the big defect in the Clinton
Presidency, and Gore has gotten off to a brisk start in explaining how he
would differ from Bill Clinton. In carefully calculated television
interviews, Gore shed his role as the President's defender against what he
once described as partisan attacks stemming from the sexual scandals of the
Clinton White House. He now sees the Monica Lewinsky episode as
"inexcusable" and tells reporters that he resented the "wasted time" the
President's conduct caused.

Wednesday, when he officially announced his candidacy in Tennessee, the Vice
President pulled out all the stops in billing himself as the family-values
candidate. A prominent part in the proceedings was given to his eldest
daughter, who is expecting a baby any day now. He asked the electorate to
let him bring "my own values" to the White House, implicity suggesting that
those values are different from the ones currently on display. Gore's
delivery also indicates that he is trying to respond to criticism of his
wooden speaking style by injecting some passion into his campaign.

Gore's Vice-Presidential baggage does not include the task of explaining
exactly what he has been doing for the last seven years. It is a tribute
both to him and the President that Gore has been a key policy player in this
Administration, and one of Clinton's most influential advisers. He is
particularly expert on foreign relations and the environment, areas where
the leading Republican candidate, George W. Bush, is weak.

But if the current polls are any indication, Gore is going to have to do
more than offer the American people eight more years of the same policies,
plus marital fidelity. He needs his own vision of what comes next. His
speech Wednesday suggested that his answer is remarkably similar to the one
propounded earlier this week by Bush. Both men are talking about moving
beyond material prosperity to build, in Gore's words, "an America that is
not only better off but better," with strong families and caring
communities. They both stress education, and making sure that, as the nation
grows wealthier, no segment of society is left behind.

>From this early vantage point it appears that the main danger in this
campaign could be the spectacle of two candidates clinging so firmly to the
center, appealing so consistently to the soccer moms and the suburban vote,
that their themes become interchangeable in the public mind. If that
happens, the election could very likely turn on issues of personality, and
it would be unfortunate if the public reacted to its disappointment with
Clinton by deciding this election on the basis of personal charm.

The majority of Americans who talk to pollsters may say right now that they
prefer Bush to Gore, but they are also wise enough to admit by huge margins
that they do not know enough about either man. Both have a long way to go
before even winning a nomination. They also have plenty of work to do
turning the warm and fuzzy campaign themes unveiled this week into proposals
of clarity and substance.
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/early/06179917thu1.html


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fw: This stinks !!!! (FALSE RUMOR!)

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Prudy,

This is a false rumor. Please contact everyone on the cc list of the
message you posted, if feasible, and let them know. There is no
proposed surcharge, the Post Office is NOT going to tax email.

Please go to http://www.usps.gov/news/press/99/rumor.htm and
verify this for yourself.


Don

===
At 12:00 PM 6/23/99 -0400, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

>> OK everyone. Apparantly this is something that is going on...if any of
>you
>> know differently let me know.
>> Melanie
>>
>>
>>  Karl: This one is for real.  It has been checked out by Richard Capps.
>I
>> >spoke to him Saturday night regarding this proposed tax.

>> >
>> >> Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and
>> >> > continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming
>> >> > trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly
>> >> > push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.
>> >> > Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be
>attempting to
>> >> bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees".
>> >> Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge

---

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[CTRL] The NYTimes Unofficially Endorses Gore: Bush Confuses The Media

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com


Jewish World Review June 23, 1999/ 9 Tamuz 5759
MUGGER
The Times Unofficially Endorses Gore: Bush Confuses The Media


http://www.jewishworldreview.com --
LAST THURSDAY, in an astonishing editorial, The New York Times unofficially
endorsed Al Gore over Gov. George W. Bush for president in the 2000
election.

The headline read "Al Gore as the Un-Clinton," and the writer reacted
favorably to the Vice President’s tepid candidacy announcement in Carthage,
TN, last Wednesday, pronouncing that Gore is "particularly expert on foreign
relations and the environment, areas where leading Republican candidate,
George W. Bush, is weak."

This, of course, is absurd. Where was Gore —who, according to the Times has
been a “key policy player” in Bill Clinton’s administration—when the
President was making a hash out of the war in Yugoslavia? Huddling with his
wife Tipper, figuring out a way to shed seven years of Clintonian baggage is
my bet. Where was Gore when the Chinese were pilfering U.S. military
secrets? Helping count the illegal foreign contributions to their ’96
campaign, while munching on Charlie Trie’s eggrolls. As for the environment,
it’s true that Gore wrote a book on the subject, but as Mark Hertsgaard
points out in a Los Angeles Times essay last Sunday, he’s been silent as
Clinton has reneged on one environmental pledge after another, such as
increasing the fuel efficiency of U.S. vehicles.

The Times editorial continues: “From this early vantage point it appears
that the main danger in this campaign could be the spectacle of two
candidates clinging so firmly to the center, appealing so consistently to
the soccer moms and the suburban vote, that their themes become
interchangeable in the public mind. If that happens, the election could very
likely turn on issues of personality, and it would be unfortunate if the
public reacted to its disappointment with Mr. Clinton by deciding this
election on the basis of personal charm. The majority of Americans who talk
to pollsters may say right now that they prefer Mr. Bush to Mr. Gore, but
they are also wise enough to admit by huge margins that they do not know
enough about either man.”

This is thinly veiled code that says the Times is scared silly that Bush
might actually win the election.

There are several points to make about this ludicrous endorsement.

First, does the paper really believe that Americans don’t “know enough”
about Al Gore after he’s been in office for seven years? I think they know
he claimed to invent the Internet; said there was “no controlling authority”
that prevented him from making campaign solicitations from his office; that
on the day Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives, Gore, at
that infamous White House pep rally, insisted that his boss will be
remembered as one of the greatest American presidents; and that despite his
current mantra of “family values,” honesty is apparently not one of them.
Otherwise, he wouldn’t have railed against the tobacco industry in 1996,
exploiting his sister’s death of lung cancer in 1984, when he had bragged in
Southern states during the ’88 presidential primaries that he tilled tobacco
like any hard-working farmer.


Danny Hellman
The notion that Gore and Bush espouse “interchangeable” themes is laughable.
Bush is for cutting taxes and less government regulation; Gore is captive of
Big Labor; Bush is against frivolous litigation, Gore is beholden to the
legal industry; Bush is pro-life, Gore is pro-choice; Bush says that Clinton
should’ve been impeached, Gore stood by the President steadfastly, whereas
his resignation would’ve demonstrated enormous courage and integrity; Bush
favors vouchers for private schools, Gore proposes federal initiatives to
reduce class size for public schools; Bush applauded the welfare reform
Clinton signed, while Gore has promised to “un-do” it; and Bush is against a
raise in the minimum wage, Gore is for one.

Bush’s well-orchestrated rollout of his campaign, which baffled the
mainstream liberal media aching for a fatal gaffe, surprised even
conservative and moderate Republicans who were afraid that he’d be as stiff
as Gore on the hustings. To the contrary, he shook hands with voters even
after the cameras were gone, and used his father as an effective supporting
actor in Kennebunkport, where President Bush was humble, admitted past
mistakes and said it was his son’s turn now. Family loyalty: That’s a value
Americans haven’t seen much of since Clinton took office in 1993. The Bush
clan is different: By all accounts, Gov. Bush has been faithful to his wife,
reveres his parents and counts on his siblings for support. I don’t care
much for the Kennedys, but do admire their fealty to each other. Gore was
demonstrably close to his father, and has a loving immediate family, but his
tacit acceptance of Clinton’s abhorrent moral behavior is damning. It’s only
now that the Veep is “distancing” himself from Clinton.

On

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] [2] DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC RITUAL ABUSE EXIST?]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 15. GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION OF SRA
>
>
> Belief about widespread SRA and a strong SRA industry exists only in
> countries, where belief of the reality of the Christian devil as an
> evil, active, person is widespread. These include the US, Canada, and
> England. With the possible exception of the Netherlands, "Satanic
> panics" have not been triggered in countries in which belief in the
> Satan is rare. They have fizzled in the rest of Europe.
>
> If SRA exists internationally, one would expect it to be present in all
> nominally Christian countries. The prevalence of SRA beliefs appear to
> be related to our beliefs about Satan rather than any objective reality.
>

Satanism is a heresy that manifests most commonly in *Protestant*
countries--and not all Protestant countries at that. In the U.S., Canada, and
Britain, satanism has largely replaced witchcraft as a focus of popular
hysteria (despite the best efforts of some on the religious right); however,
in most of Europe, fear of the "Unknown" usually takes the form of withcraft
hysteria. This is almost entirely directed at women who fall outside the norms
of society; Finland is the only exception to this rule of which I am aware.
Such public hysterias are fortunately not common today (except in the
Anglophone countries)--the last major witch scandal in Germany was in the
1950's, in the Rhineland.

Witchcraft is always a survival or revival of an older, often autochthonous
religion practiced in spite of or in resistance to the dominant religion. In
Classical Greece,  or "howling" referred to the practice of the
witches of Thessaly, who seem to have preserved the goddess-centered religion
of Old Europe which was suppressed and repressed by the Indo-European-speaking
invaders. When Christianity became dominant, witchcraft took over attributes
of the Greco-Roman deities, and the central figures became Diana and Pan. Over
time, the Goat-God Pan was assimilated to his Christian allotype Satan or
Lucifer, and the Church determined that witches were Satan-worshippers. Enough
centuries of being told that they worshipped Satan meant that eventually many
witches *did* worship Satan, often in parodies of the Mass. Alongside this
mocking of the Church, however, more ancient forms of witchcraft survived,
preserving pagan beliefs in an often warped and partial form; and the Church
found it next to impossible--not to say undesirable--to distinguish between
the different types of witchcraft.

Satanism as practiced today appears to represent "cocking a snook" at the
established churches. I honestly doubt that there are multigenerational
conspiracies, etc.--there is simply no evidence for them, any more than there
was any evidence for real witchcraft at Salem. But there *is* a hell of a lot
of fear in our society, and Satanists make good scapegoats, because you can
project whatever you want onto them.

Bob

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[CTRL] *Action ALERT* 4 California 3rd Party killer-bil SB 365l

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ACTION ALERT UPDATE!
from the Libertarian Party of California

Committee hearing postponed until
June 24!

You have TWO MORE DAYS to contact your
state lawmaker and stop this bad
ballot access bill!

June 22, 1999



UPDATE:
- ---

SB 365, a ballot access bill that will increase
the burden for third party candidates to get
on the ballot in California, was scheduled for a
hearing yesterday, Monday, June 21, in the
Assembly Elections Committee.

However, that hearing was postponed until Thursday,
June 24, at 10:30 AM.

If you haven't yet contacted the members of
the Assembly Elections Committee and urged them
to vote NO on SB 365, you have two more days
to do so!


WHO TO CONTACT:
===

The members of the Assembly Elections Committee and their contact
information follows.

Edward Vincent (D), Chair
51st Assembly District

Ph:  916-319-2051
Fax: 916-319-2151
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Peter Frusetta (R), Vice Chair
28th AD

Ph:  916-319-2028
Fax: 916-319-2128
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Marilyn C. Brewer (R)
70th AD

Ph:  916-319-2070
Fax: 916-319-2170
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Tony Cardenas (D)
39th AD

Ph:  916-319-2039
Fax: 916-324-6860
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Gil Cedillo (D)
46th AD

Ph:  916-319-2046
Fax: 916-319-2146
No email


John Longville (D)
62nd AD

Ph:  916-319-2062
Fax: 916-319-2162
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Kevin Shelley (D)
12th AD

Ph:  916-319-2012
Fax: 916-319-2112
Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Please contact these legislators by 10 AM on Thursday, June 24!


WHAT TO SAY:
- 

Here are some "talking points" you can use to express your
opposition to SB 365:

(1) SB 365 is unfair to third parties.  Since third parties
almost exclusively collect signatures in lieu of paying the
filing fee, third parties will be most affected by the provisions
of this bill.  Democrats and Republicans will enjoy an even
greater advantage over third parties than they do now.

(2) SB 365, which is intended to reduce confusion for candidates
and facilitate the filing process, will actually accomplish the
exact opposite.  By requiring more paperwork, more signatures, and
more filing, SB 365 will increase the workload for County Clerks and
create even more confusion for candidates.

(3) SB 365 is a disservice to voters.  To the extent that third
party candidates do not qualify for the ballot because of the bill's
requirements, SB 365 will eliminate different alternatives for voters
in the voting booth.  Choices for voters will be limited and narrower.

Be brief and courteous, but make your point emphatically.

If one of the committee members is your representative, be sure
to tell them that you are a constituent!  If you aren't sure who your
State Assembly representative is, you can find out by going to
http://www.senate.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/yoursenator.htp.


THE BACKGROUND:
- ---

SB 365 by Senator John Lewis (R-Orange) will
complicate the signature gathering process for third
parties.

Under current law, candidates may collect signatures
in lieu of paying a fee when filing a declaration of
candidacy.  In addition, all candidates are required to
collect a certain number of nominating signatures.
Signatures collected in lieu of the filing fee also count
towards the nominating signature requirement.

Under SB 365, that "dual-use" of signatures would be
eliminated.  Candidates would be forced to collect
signatures twice, during two separate time periods, and
the signatures would be counted independently of each
other for purposes of meeting the required amounts.

Collecting signatures from voters is difficult enough once,
let alone having to do it twice.  As a result, fewer third party
candidates are likely to qualify for the ballot.  In addition,
the Libertarian Party and other third parties will face greater
difficulty recruiting candidates once the signature gathering
process is explained to potential recruits.

SB 365 must be stopped!

Unfortunately, SB 365 is being sponsored by the California
Association of Clerks and Elections Officials, a government
employee lobbying group.  SB 365 was passed by the State
Senate on May 25, 39-0.

We have two more days to kill this bill!


WHAT YOU CAN DO:
- 

*Call, fax, or e-mail the members of the Assembly Elections
Committee and urge them to vote "NO" 

Re: [CTRL] Masonic Education: The Big "G"

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

My BROTHER  AL told me that the Masonic
G stands for 'GAY' and it is confirmed by adding
(a=1, b=2, etc) as follows:
G=7
A=1
Y=25
Total=33, the Highest (Publicly-Acknowledged)
Rank in thr BROTHERHOOD!!

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Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]

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- Original Message -
From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > # Three More Bodies Found In Disney Pond. ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters)
> >   http://news.excite.com/news/r/990622/15/odd-disney-deaths
> > : Has Disney gone totally Satanist? Is this NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN
> > w/o the music? Would you like to be a sex slave to Mickey or Minnie?
>
> Looks like it's time to call in Mulder and Scully... D'ya figure Disney
> is prototyping a new ride? Perhaps the Drive of Death? Celebration has
> always struck me as a Stepford kind of place, anyway...

Mulder & Scully work for Disney, better call in the GhostBusters.
But this does raise the questions: how may were sacrificed in dank
Satanic rituals to enable the Disney empire to build its virtual
worlds / clone zones?  What horrible transformations take place
under the Goofy mask?  Do Walt's warped clones actually run things?

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party]

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- Original Message -
From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > > With the mood of the nation swiftly moving toward third party
> > > > fever a party favoring secession is growing. It is called The
> > > > Southern Party (http://www.southernparty.com) and its goal is
> > > > to elect enough congressmen to vote independence for the South.
> >
> > The resultant Dixie Republic, likely comprised of Virginia, the
> > Carolinas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, would be
> > an economic 'powerhouse' about on a par with, say, Italy, and
> > would be easily controlled by financial interests based in Cali
> > and Medellin, Columbia - in other words, it would be a plaything
> > of druglords.  The NSA and CIA, both based in Virginia, would
> > have free reign across the realm.  What a nice place, eh?
> >
> > The transplanted Yankees, Canadians, Cubans and other Latinos
> > and Islanders of Florida would not be inclined to join Dixie,
> > nor would the Hispanics of Texas.  The Texas Republic would
> > likely be reconstituted, an oil and agribiz realm of some
> > importance.  A new California Republic would be reborn too,
> > with the 6th largest economy in the world, dwarfing Dixie &
> > Texas.  Other independent bio/geo-regions would emerge: a
> > Kingdom of Hawaii [but with a Japanese king?]; Oregon and
> > Washington associating with Western Canadian secessionists
> > to form ABC, American-British Columbia; New England merging
> > with the Canadian Maritimes; etc.  Hmmm, by the time the US
> > balkanizes totally, California will be the fifth or fourth
> > largest economy in the world, the dominant realm of North
> > America.  Read all about it in Joel Garreau's book THE NINE
> > NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA.  Then consider who'll wield power.
> >
> I'd suggest that California would form *two* republics, Northern
> California and Southern California. (See Heinlein's *Friday*.)
> Southern California might merge with a separatist Baja California
> to form a new mostly Hispanic republic (Nuevo Aztlan?).

Or, California [Baja & Norte] and Oregon and Washington and B.C.
and Alaska may merge into Pacifica; or the region may divide into
Nuevo Aztlan and Ecotopia.  The major port zones [SanDiego/Tijuana,
L.A./LongBeach, S.F.Bay, Eureka/Arcata, CoosBay, Portland, SeaTac,
Vancouver, Anchorage] may emerge as independent city-states, each
dominating, but not responsible for, its hinterlands .

> Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas might join with Alberta
> and Saskatchewan.

And Manitoba, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas - the Great
Plains / Breadbasket Collective, oil mixing with agribiz.

> Now then, a question for the astute reader: which transnational
> corporations will dominate each of these mini-nations? IOW, cui bono?

Ya, follow the money.  Garreau suggests the answers in NINE NATIONS.
But, follow the money: who's financing the Southern Party, or any
separatist movements?  Who finances militias, Xian Identity, the
Klan, any group bent on balkanizing the U.S.?  Who's paying, and
what're their expected payoffs?  What's the quid pro quo?

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Scaife & the CIA

[Anonymous]

From: Mark Keesee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

CIA drugs debunker Richard Mellon Scaife
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/scaifegraf050299.htm

Excerpt:
===

Decades of Contributions to Conservatism

By Ira Chinoy and Robert G. Kaiser
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, May 2, 1999; Page A25

Minding the Media

 Scaife has been subsidizing publications and broadcasts
supporting conservative positions since his first grant to
the American Spectator magazine in 1970. The Spectator has
been the biggest recipient of this kind – $3.2 million for
the magazine, plus nearly $2.3 million for the Arkansas
Project. Scaife ended grants to the Spectator in 1997.
Scaife has supported the Public Interest and the National
Interest, both associated with Irving Kristol, the
neo-conservative intellectual; the New Criterion, a
cultural review edited by Hilton Kramer, former New York
Times art critic; Reason, the organ of the libertarian
Reason Foundation; and Commentary, the monthly magazine of
the American Jewish Committee, edited for years by Norman
Podhoretz. All of these are published by tax-exempt,
nonprofit foundations, so they are eligible to receive
grants from Scaife's foundations. Scaife also gave money to
Encounter magazine, once supported indirectly by the CIA.
Altogether these publications have received nearly $10
million.

Scaife undertook one unusual media enterprise in his own
name. In 1968, he agreed to replace John Hay Whitney, last
owner of the New York Herald Tribune, as the head of the
parent firm of Forum World Features, a London-based news
agency that received subsidies and guidance from the CIA.
The proprietor of Forum, Brian Crozier, has said he was
introduced to Scaife by the CIA. Scaife has never spoken
about this.

Scaife money has helped fund television documentaries on
the economics of Milton Friedman, the guru of the
monetarist school of free-market economics, and on Cold War
themes. Scaife has supported creation of conservative
textbooks and curricula for schools.

Scaife has had a long interest in groups that monitor and
criticize the news media. He funded Gen. William C.
Westmoreland's unsuccessful libel suit against CBS News. He
has granted about $2 million to Accuracy in Media, a
conservative critic of mainstream news media, since 1977.
The Media Institute is another watchdog group he has
backed.

In 1994-95 he gave $330,000 to the Western Journalism
Center, which shared his skepticism about how former White
House deputy counsel Vincent W. Foster Jr. died. But the
center was cut off. "I have no idea why," said Joe Farah,
president of the center. "The only explanation I ever got
from [Scaife aide] Dick Larry was that they didn't have any
more money. It didn't have the ring of truth."

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[CTRL] [9] Loud and Clear

[Anonymous]

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an excerpt from:
Loud and Clear
Lake Headly and William Hoffman©1990
Henry Holt and Company
115 W. 18th St.
New York, NY 10011
ISBN 0-8050-1138-2
272 pps — out-of-print/one edition
--[9]--

9.

Bradley Funk 's Emprise

I couldn't return to Phoenix until January 4, 1979. A record-breaking
blizzard caused the first extended closing ever of O'Hare.

"I'm glad you're back," Terri Lee said when she met me at Sky Harbor Airport.
She wore jeans and a designer silk top. "I missed you. I've been thinking
about you."

Wow. I loved the new open-type woman. "Well, I missed and thought about you,
too. That could be dangerous."

That night Terri Lee and I ate at the Spaghetti Factory, a restaurant in
downtown Phoenix designed to resemble an industrial plant: machine parts hung
from the ceiling, all manner of wrenches and tools on the walls. We each
ordered linguini with clam sauce, and then I leaned forward to hear what she
had to say. Terri had brought a briefcase, which she opened with a key on a
rabbit's foot key chain. I asked her about the rabbit's foot, and she said
her father gave it to her for good luck.

Terri removed a four-inch-high stack of photocopies from the briefcase. "I
don't know if this is what you wanted. I hope it helps."

Helps? I guess it helped. After reluctantly driving Terri to her home, in
north Phoenix, I read her research for several hours at the Westward Ho.

I learned that Emprise, one of the last words on the lips of Don Bolles,
began as a company founded in 1915 by Louis Jacobs, a man Sports Illustrated
dubbed The Godfather of Sports.

Louis Jacobs became quite a success. As a little boy he sold popcorn at the
Gayety Theater in Buffalo, New York, and peanuts at the baseball park. In
1927 he landed his first concession contract, with the Detroit Tigers, and he
was on his way. Under the name of an Emprise subsidiary, Sportservice, he
ultimately gained control of the concessions for six major league baseball
teams-Detroit, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Baltimore, the Chicago White Sox,
Montreal.

Also, the concessions for four hockey teams: Kansas City, Buffalo, Chicago,
St. Louis.

And five basketball teams: Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Buffalo.

Plus eight professional football teams: Green Bay (at games played in
Milwaukee), Buffalo, Baltimore, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis,
Cincinnati.

On May 26, 1972, Sports Illustrated revealed that Louis Jacobs's two sons,
Max and Jeremy, Emprise's top two officers, had "the concessions at more than
fifty horse and dog tracks in the U.S. and Canada, plus ten more in England
and Puerto RICO. They had contracts with jai-alai frontons, bowling alleys,
horse shows, golf tournaments, and ski lodges. In 1960 they were the
concessionaires for the Rome Olympics.

"But more important," I read, "they had taken a further giant step, vaulting
from behind the hot dog counter into the front office. In 1963 Jeremy Jacobs
obtained controlling interest in the Cincinnati Royals and the Cincinnati
Gardens, where the Royals played. The Jacobses owned stock (off and on) in
the Buffalo Bisons of the International League and in the Buffalo franchise
in the American Hockey League. Emprise holds stock, bonds, and debentures in
at least nineteen separate pari-mutuel entities, including controlling
interest in the Buffalo raceway; Finger Lakes raceway (N.Y.); Latonia raceway
(Ky.); Miles Park (Ky.); Southland dog track, in West Memphis; Daytona Beach
(Fla.) Kennel Club; Daytona Beach jai-Alai Fronton; Melbourne (Fla.) jai-Alai
Fronton; Centennial Turf Club (Colo.); and in Arizona, all six greyhound
tracks and until recently two of the three thoroughbred tracks."

It was this control of the Funk-Emprise Arizona racing empire that Bolles
first wrote about in October 1969 in a story titled "N.Y. Firm in Quiet
Control of Most Racing Tracks Here."

"A huge New York firm," his article began, "is gradually getting control of
all horse and dog racing in Arizona. The Emprise Corp. of Buffalo, N.Y., has
majority stock control in six of the seven firms which run dog racing in the
state, and is part owner of the seventh."

The deeper Bolles probed into Emprise, the more he learned: Sportservice
alone (Emprise controlled at least 162 other corporations) by 1972 had become
a hundred-million-dollars-a-year operation selling five million bags of
peanuts annually, thirty million soft drinks, twenty million hot dogs, and
twenty-five million containers of beer. Concessions seemed an even better
deal than owning a major league franchise: for one thing, no highly paid ball
players to negotiate with.

How did Emprise pull it off? Well, sports franchises, like individuals, often
need loans. Sports Illustrated revealed that Emprise loaned two million
dollars to the Seattle Pilots in exchange for a twenty-five-year concession
agreement with Sportservice. Emprise loaned two million dollars to the
Montreal Expos and received a thirty-year concession contract, with op

Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1]

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

"ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> # Three More Bodies Found In Disney Pond. ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) 3 bodies
>   were pulled from a pond at Walt Disney Co's "Celebration" community,
>   bringing to at least four the number of people who have died in the water
>   there in recent months. The disappearance of the 3 Massachusetts men drew
>   national attention after another tourist visiting Orlando, Anthony Frank
>   of Sausalito, California, disappeared from an area hotel at about the same
>   time that the three men vanished. Frank was found in April in the woods in
>   Georgia. He told investigators he had been held as a sex slave for more
>   than six months. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990622/15/odd-disney-deaths
>
> : Has Disney gone totally Satanist? Is this NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN without
> the music? Would you like to be a sex slave to Mickey or Minnie? Who else?
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Looks like it's time to call in Mulder and Scully... D'ya figure Disney is
prototyping a new ride? Perhaps the Drive of Death? Celebration has always
struck me as a Stepford kind of place, anyway...

Bob

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[CTRL] [4] Other Altars

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an excerpt from:
Other Altars - Roots and Realities of Cultic and Satanic Ritual Abuse and
Multiple Personality Disorder
Craig Lockwood©1993
CompCare Publishers
3850 Annapolis Lane, Suite 100
Minneapolis, MN 55441
612.559.4800/800.328.3330
ISBN 0-89638-363-6
255+pps — out-of-print/one edition.
-
A very interesting and excellent book.
Om
K
--[4]--

Chapter 4

Riutual, SACRIFICE, AND CULTURE

"In a sacrifice the circle of participants is segregated from the outside
world. Complicated social structures find expression in the diverse roles the
participants assume in the course of the ritual."

-Walter Burkett, 1972

Civilization writes a relatively recent chapter in humankind's story. During
the eons before the onset of civilization, it seems likely that developing
human groups evolved a complex series of ritual behaviors that became part of
what we now call culture. Sacrificial rituals may have been important in
bonding early human groups together, and as such had social survival value.

That was then. But why has ritual persisted?

As A. I. Hallowell suggested in a 1926 article in American Anthropologist,
the key is that specific beliefs or practices rarely "represent a direct
psychological response of individuals to some aspect of the outer world" and
that the source of those practices and beliefs is "the historic tradition."

Humans tend to do things the way they've always done things. In times of
social anxiety and stress, we prefer using time-proven methods of dealing
with problems. Ritual sacrifice is a method that has withstood the test of
time.

Rituals of all kinds may be practiced without sacrifice, but sacrifice is
never practiced without ritual.

Not all ritual is sacrificial, and not all sacrificial ritual is blood
sacrifice-animal or human. In its media-linkage to sorcery, Satanism, and
crime, ritual's good name has been tarnished.

Practitioners of the sacrificial killing of animals say that, compared to
assembly-line death in slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants, sacrifice may
be more humane-especially if done quickly so the animal doesn't suffer. The
sacrificial sheep that feeds a village during a religious celebration, they
contend, may well die a better death.

In ancient times, people recognized that what they killed gave its life away
to them. Therefore, they gained power from that. The ritualistic slaughtering
of the animal during the ceremony before cooking it for the big feast
incorporated the giving away of the life-spirit so that the clan could live.

Other forms of sacrifice incorporate the use of blood in a nonabusive way.
Some ancient societies may well have used women's menstrual blood, possibly
acknowledging that this was the life-blood.

Ritual shedding of blood is "wounding," a negative shedding of blood. This
should not be confused with menstrual blood, which is given freely every
month.

Most contemporary witches would probably acknowledge that blood sacrifice in
a "black magic" ritual produces a powerful force, because the sacrificer is
taking a life-the life force from a person or animal. This is a "negative" as
opposed to a "positive" form of power. Wiccans neither accept nor practice
"black magic" ritual.

Ritual's Relationship to Culture

Evidence suggests that ritual, including sacrificial ritual, may have played
an important role in the beginning of culture. Ritual may have also been the
language by which humans first attempted to communicate their feelings about
the forces that affected them.

Whatever rituals did, perhaps because of our social nature, the remnants of
ritual's compelling attraction to contemporary humans is widespread.

According to Walter Burkett in Homo Necans, "Sacrificial killing is the basic
experience of the 'sacred."' While the "bliss of encountering divinity," can
be expressed in words, the frightening and mysterious events that
participants in a sacrifice witness are even more intense because they aren't
discussed.

Not everyone would agree with Burkett, who then goes on to talk about the
mysteries of sacrifice at some length. But few who have experienced fear
while hunting animals or killing humans in combat would qualify the hunt or
war as "mysterious." Hunting and war are not only discussed, they form the
basis for much of myth, legend, and literature. Ritual, however, does not.

Egyptian hieroglyphics record ritual sacrifice, as do the art and surviving
written languages of Babylonians, Etruscans, Phoenicians, early Greeks, and
Romans. Ritual with and without sacrifice formed the basis of Europe's
pre-Christian Pagan religions.

Ritual sacrifice is still practiced in Africa, in Peru and Bolivia, in a
Russian-Armenian village (beside the church), in India, Nepal, and throughout
Southeast Asia.

Ritual blood flows behind a Dade County tract house, in a hounfour (compound)
near Port-au-Prince, in the basement of a certain Connecticut estate, in a
crowded apartment in Los Angeles's Pico-Union district, in a drug smug

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 990623b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No impotent imperialists were harmed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ ILLUMINATI MILLENNIUM RITUALS. Arizona Wilder conducted human sacrifice
  rituals for the Illuminati elite for decades. These included the British
  Royal Family, George Bush, Henry Kissinger, and a stream of world famous
  figures. Since she escaped from her mind controlled confinement, she has
  dedicated herself to exposing what is happening. Learn the truth, or be
  the next victim: http://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/arizona_update.htm

: What is your favorite millennium ritual? Who would you like to sacrifice?
Do you need assistance? Can I help? Would you mind being sacrificed? Why???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# REACH OUT AND TARGET SOMEONE. Two marketing giants hope to marry, with
  the likely goal of targeting Web pitches right down to your very name
  and address. Privacy advocates fire off flares to Washington. What, me
  worry? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20335.html

# US STILL PUSHING CRYPTO CONTROL. In an effort to strengthen crypto export
  restrictions, the US Justice Dept asks for a 2nd look at an appeals panel
  decision that computer source code deserves First Amendment protection.
  Worry: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20333.html

: How much privacy is enough? What info would you like to keep secret? Do
you use strong crypto? Can it be broken? Are your secrets worth knowing?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

$ BLOOD ON THE ALTAR - Confessions of a Jehovah's Witness Minister: "More
  kids are dying right now in obedience to the Jehovah's Witnesses ban on
  blood transfusions than perished in the fire at Waco, Texas. How can a
  major sect with headquarters in New York City and twelve million attending
  its religious services world-wide quietly lead victims to early deaths
  without public outcry?" http://prometheusbooks.com/prometheus/blaltar.htm

: Does your belief system encourage unhealthy practices? Is faith more imp-
ortant than health, life, existence? Whose blood would you like transfused?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# WHAT DID JAWS REALLY WANT? Sharks are just misunderstood. Great whites are
  not the eating machines we once thought. Soft, fatty items, such as seals,
  are far more appealing to the toothy carnivores than human flesh. Relax:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20340.html

: Would you rather be devoured by sharks, true believers, gov't agents, or
by Illuminati sacrificers? Would you rather be a seal or human? Do you swim?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CULT CONTROL - EURO GOVTS SEEK TO CONTAIN GROWING INFLUENCE OF RELIGIOUS
  SECTS WITHOUT ENDANGERING FREEDOM OF BELIEF. Faith is in the eye of the
  believer. Alain Gest, a French politico who presided over a parliamentary
  commission investigating cults & new religious movements, puts it bluntly:
  "If you want to wake up at 4 am each day to pray to an onion that you call
  God, I have nothing against it." But he adds: "Where I do have a problem
  is if you also pray in my name or on my behalf, and ask me for $30,000 for
  it. That is where we draw the line." http://ftech.net/~hamrag/time.htm

@ Miracle, Mystery and Authority: The Triangle of Cult Indoctrination:
  http://www.rickross.com/information.html
@ BCCLA Positions in Brief: Cult Control and Deprogramming:
  http://www.bccla.org/positions/freespeech/frsp-09.html
@ Help for those desiring to leave a cult:
  http://www.majesticplaces.com/Cults/Cults%2CSects%2CHeresy/help.htm

: What's your favorite cult? Have you started a cult recently? Do you pray
to an onion? Does it answer? Do you demand money? Do you get it? From whom?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CRUISING THE PCEXPO GADGETFEST. New battery technology adds 16 hours to
  your unplugged laptop - The Son of Microsoft Bob appears - And a rewrite-
  able DVD drive makes its debut. Rewire/reinstall yourself now, Pookie:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20353.html
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20346.html

# A GARDEN OF DIGITAL DELIGHTS. The 2nd Digital Living Room confab give us a
  glimpse of a future where refrigerators dispense Internet access as well
  as ice cubes. Also: Drawbacks to the digital home; log on while you drive:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/20354.html

# DIGITAL CULTURE'S LONG, WINDING ROAD. Lack of consumer confidence, coupled
  with the industry's sluggish developmental pace, means that the digital
  lifestyle predicted for most Americans will be slow in coming. Bother:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/20334.html

: Is digital technology critical to your life? Do you live a digital life-
style? Do the voices in 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party]

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> > > With the mood of the nation swiftly moving toward third party
> > > fever a party favoring secession is growing. It is called The
> > > Southern Party (http://www.southernparty.com) and its goal is
> > > to elect enough congressmen to vote independence for the South.
>
> Of course, there's no provision in the US Constitution for the
> dissolution of our democratic republic, no legal mechanism for
> seceding; so if this 'movement' is to bear fruit without seeing
> another US Civil War, the secessionists must first enact a con-
> stitutional amendment authorizing states to withdraw from the
> Union.  So, secessionist fervor must be engaged across the US.
>
> The resultant Dixie Republic, likely comprised of Virginia, the
> Carolinas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, would be
> an economic 'powerhouse' about on a par with, say, Italy, and
> would be easily controlled by financial interests based in Cali
> and Medellin, Columbia - in other words, it would be a plaything
> of druglords.  The NSA and CIA, both based in Virginia, would
> have free reign across the realm.  What a nice place, eh?
>
> The transplanted Yankees, Canadians, Cubans and other Latinos
> and Islanders of Florida would not be inclined to join Dixie,
> nor would the Hispanics of Texas.  The Texas Republic would
> likely be reconstituted, an oil and agribiz realm of some
> importance.  A new California Republic would be reborn too,
> with the 6th largest economy in the world, dwarfing Dixie &
> Texas.  Other independent bio/geo-regions would emerge: a
> Kingdom of Hawaii [but with a Japanese king?]; Oregon and
> Washington associating with Western Canadian secessionists
> to form ABC, American-British Columbia; New England merging
> with the Canadian Maritimes; etc.  Hmmm, by the time the US
> balkanizes totally, California will be the fifth or fourth
> largest economy in the world, the dominant realm of North
> America.  Read all about it in Joel Garreau's book THE NINE
> NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA.  Then consider who'll wield power.
>
I'd suggest that California would form *two* republics, Northern California
and Southern California. (See Heinlein's *Friday*.) Southern California might
merge with a separatist Baja California to form a new mostly Hispanic republic
(Nuevo Aztlan?). Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas might join with Alberta
and Saskatchewan.

Now then, a question for the astute reader: which transnational corporations
will dominate each of these mini-nations? IOW, cui bono?

Bob

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 Q.  What is your brother-in-law's name?
 A.  Bradford.
 Q.  What's his first name?
 A.  I can't remember.
 Q.  He's been your brother-in-law for years, and you can't remember his
first name?
 A.  No.  I tell you I'm too excited. (Rising from the witness chair and
pointing to Mr. Bradford.) Nathan, for God's sake, tell them your first
name!

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[CTRL] Masonic Education: The Big "G"

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Subject: Masonic Education: The Big "G"
From: St. John The Sublime Reformer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 22 June 1999 04:48 AM EDT
Message-id: <7knilh$3ou$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Greetings Prince of Darkness supplicants.

Now brethren please pull your horns in, get off the goat and
pay attention.

Ready? Splendid.

Some of the brethren we understand are confused or as you
are wont to say contradistincted, about the full and complete
meaning and meanings of the letter "G" that is affixed above
the front door of your TEMPLES.

It is for this reason that I have been asked to set aside some
time from my duties at the office of the Holy Inquisition to
illucidate on this matter for you fraternity fans.

As you are undoubtable aware the linga franca of the Roman World
and much of the known world among the chattering classes was
for millennia Greek.

This was especially true for the Hermetic "societies" and mystery
religions of the Greco-Roman-Egyptian world of the Levant from
which the "Craft" sprung.

Now you have all been "instructed" on the matter of the big "G"
so you can give the suitable reply to Cowan's such as your wives
who might enquire as to it's purpose.

The standard line is that it stands for geometry or alternatively
God or the Great Architect of the Universe. These standard responses
are in the best Masonic slip-shod tradition of being at the same
time true and not true, or as is said "diverting a discourse".

You see brothers the placing of an English or to be more precise
latin letter G (french etc) in place of the Greek letter G which
is where the usage came from is somewhat of a slip.

Today you will find the Greek letter G above Greek Masonic Temples
of course. The use of the Greek letter G as a symbol for the
Egyptian-Mystery Religions/socities was one of long standing. In
fact it can be seen in many frescos of Jesus C. & Co. where it
adorns their robes (the involvement of Jesus C. & Co. is for
another future lesson class).

Now you may be asking yourselves SO WHAT.

Here's the rub kiddies.

The Greek letter G looks like one of our letter "L" or a masonic
set square which of course is a prominent sign of the craft, no
problem so far.

HOWEVER the old Greeks didn't invent the Hermetic "sciences" themselves
they got them all from the Egyptians.

The most important and prominent hyroglyphic symbol in Egypt was the
same L shape which was used to represent their deity.

You see the L shape represents a throne.

Now the deity in question wasn't of course the Judeo-Christian God
your wives drag you too once a month to hear about from Pastor Friendly.

No the deity was Sirius, the Jackal, represented by the dog star which
is the blazing star taught to you in your ritural and which adorns the
premier position in your lodges.

Anyone who has even the most rudimentary knowledge of the mystery
religions, and the Gnostics/Essenes (through which masonry travelled
into europe and the latin world and your organization) KNOWS that
Sirius in the Dualist World of a Good God and a Bad God is the
Bad God.

Sirius is Satan, represented in Egyptian hyroglyph by a throne shape
or "L" and used by the secret societies becoming the Greek Letter "G"
(L-shape) and eventually the latin G adorning the front of all your
TEMPLES.

So there you have it brethern, in future if your wives or children
ask you what the reason for the letter G on Daddys "clubhouse" is
you can or not tell them the whole truth, all the truth, and
nothing but the truth.

The big "G" represents the Great Architect of the Universe, the Jealous
God, the Vengeful God, the Smithie of the World, the World Ruler,
Sabaoth (which is held on Satur[n]day), Saturn (Saturnalia the official
state holiday of the Romans state religion held on Dec. 25th), Old Nick,
the Prince of Darkness, SATAN.

You've been hoodwinked brethren.


Regardevoux,

St. John The Sublime Reformer
Masonic Historian
Defender of the Faith


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> Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 6:43 AM
>
> OK everyone. Apparantly this is something that is going on...if any of
you
> know differently let me know.
> Melanie
>
>
>  Karl: This one is for real.  It has been checked out by Richard Capps.
I
> >spoke to him Saturday night regarding this proposed tax.
> >
> >Best to All
> >
> >Chuck
>
> >
> >> Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and
> >> > continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming
> >> > trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly
> >> > push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.
> >> > Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be
attempting to
> >> bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees".
> >> Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge
on
> >every
> >> email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The
> >> consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C.
> >> > lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this
> >> > legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming
> >> > that lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing
nearly
> >> > $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent
> >ad=0D
> >> > campaign "There is nothing like a letter". Since the average
citizen=0D
> >> > received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to
the=0D
> >> > typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or
over=0D
> >> > $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet
costs.=0D
> >> > Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal
> >Service=0D
> >> > for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the=0D
> >> > Internet is democracy and noninterference. If the federal
government=0D
> >> > is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge
to=0D
> >> > email, who knows where it will end. You are already paying an=0D
> >> > exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency.
> >It=0D
> >> > currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New
York
> >to
> >> Buffalo.
> >> >=
> >> > If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will
> >> > mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States.
> >> >=
> >> > One congressman, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "twenty to
> >> > forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and
> >> > beyond the government's proposed email charges. Note that most of
the
> >> > major newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being
the
> >> > Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful
> >> > concept who's time has come" March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by
> >> > and watch your freedoms erode away!
> >> >
> >> > Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends
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> >> Kate
> >>  Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman
> >> > Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.
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[CTRL] Broker on the run as £2bn vanishes

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 Broker on the run as £2bn vanishes
by Barbara Mcmahon in New York
FBI agents in the United States are looking for a rogue stockbroker who
could have pulled off one of the biggest frauds ever.

At least £218 million is missing after Martin Frankel's disappearance
from his home in the expensive suburb of Greenwich, Connecticut - but
authorities fear up to £2 billion may have been taken. "It could be one
of the biggest movements of money of all time," said a consultant who
worked for Frankel.

A warrant for the arrest of the 44-year-old, a reclusive financier, was
issued after agents discovered a complex web of fake companies set up to
siphon money from insurance clients.

Frankel is believed to have systematically drained funds from companies
in at least six American states, siphoning off up to £1 billion. In
another fraud, the St Francis of Assisi Foundation, a Catholic charity
formed by Frankel, may also have lost £630 million.

Frankel is said to have persuaded people that he was a Monsignor from
Rome when in fact he was a Jewish stockbroker living in one of the
wealthiest parts of America.

Authorities describe him as an eccentric but brilliant college drop-out
who conducted his affairs from his multi-million dollar stone mansion.
His 12-room house was transformed into a bizarre clearing house, crammed
with up to 100 computers linked to satellite data feeds.

Armed guards patrolled the property and up to 10 luxury cars were often
parked in the drive, leading neighbours to fear the home was a drug gang
headquarters.

The money manager, who always wore jeans and lumberjack shirts, was
obsessed with secrecy. His bedroom was furnished with three 32-inch
television sets wired to cable and satellite TV, along with security
cameras. "He didn't like to be disturbed," explained one former
employee.

The FBI believe Frankel set up the sophisticated fraud through insurance
clients who invested with his Liberty National Securities so he could
purchase government bonds on their behalf. At least some of the missing
money is believed to have been channelled into Switzerland and several
of the companies he dealt with are now bankrupt or in receivership.

The alleged fraud was discovered after firemen were called to the house
and found a burning file cabinet and two fireplaces stuffed with
smouldering shredded documents. One scrap of paper on a to-do list read:
paper on a to-do list read: "Launder the money".

In addition to finance, Frankel dabbled in astrology. According to an
affidavit filed in court, charts found in his home sought answers from
the stars ranging from Frankel's possible imprisonment to mundane
financial matters.

According to papers filed by investigators he wrote: 1. Will I go to
prison? 2. Will Tom turn me in? 3. Should I leave? 4. Should I wire the
money back from over-seas? 5. Will I be safe?

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[CTRL] The Failure of Intelligence

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The Failure of Intelligence
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Subject: The Failure of Intelligence
From: Ralph McGehee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 June 1999 09:17 AM EDT
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  The Failure of Intelligence


   I appreciate the views that Mr. Langston cites re my post.
He notes that his unit -- and the men in the field -- did a good job
and that the U.S. was not taken by surprise at Tet 1968.

   His experience is echoed in my own. However doing a good job
at the working level, (in my case) and his, made no difference.

   The momentum in Vietnam to win and to ignore pessimistic intelligence
permeated the upper levels. I tried from 1967 to 1975 to warn about
the structures of the enemy being underreported and for my efforts
I was relieved of any position of influence.

   I disagree with Mr. Langston when he says the U.S. was not taken
by surprise at Tet. I provided a number of citations to highly
authenticated and checkable sources to document my case -- I would like
to suggest that Mr. Langston acquire access to these sources and then
advise who was lying and where. I do not wish to cause him or other
Vietnam veterans pain -- I merely wish to demonstrate the proclivities
and inability's of the upper levels of the intelligence community.
Inability's that exist today. I worry that the United States can
again be pulled into unwinnable situations by false, contrived and
inaccurate, "forward-leaning" intelligence by this infrastructure.

Ralph McGehee
http://come.to/CIABASE

p.s. I posted this again in response to another post on alt.war.vietnam
claiming there was no surprise at Tet.

>Subject:Re: The Surprise at Tet
>Date:   1999/06/21
>Author: Bill Langston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>You post this crap every now and then Mr. McGehee. I am assuming it for the
>new readers who have not read it before.

>I am appalled every time I read it. This is bullshit with an attitude toward
>the CIA. I was there and this is a load of crap. I read a couple of
>outright lies, not just bullshit but lies!

>I was just a low level NCO and do not claim anything more but I was there in
>the middle of it. The main thing, the thing that gets me so mad, is the
>implication that the DIA was caught with their pants down and let everybody
>down. The top level people, the one's that actually did something with the
>information we provided them are the ones that might have let us down and I
>have no knowledge of what they did. The men in the field did a good job. I
>only am speaking for the SecGru, ASA, and AFSS now, not the CIA. I saw the
>raw data that went all the way to DIRNSA every single day of that time. We
>were NOT taken by surprise. Of course the actual time and places were not
>known I realize that. I also realize that we should have been on higher
>alert (the overall military forces) but it is not because we did not tell
>anybody!

>I understand that you have a burr under your saddle with regards to the CIA
>and I don't have a dog in that fight but they worked with us, used our
>infrastructure for communications. So when you blast them, sometimes you
>blast us. You use a shotgun when a rifle is required and too much
> 'collateral damage' occurs.

>You can post here all you like but as long as I'm here, I'll continue to
>speak out whenever you post blanket condemnations like you do.

>Yours truly, Bill Langston.

>Ralph McGehee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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>>  THE SURPRISE AT TET 1968

>>The below annotated citations are from my data base on the CIA.
>>Ralph McGehee
>>http://come.to/CIABASE

>>  The House of Representatives Pike committee investigation of CIA
>>  evaluated CIA intel on six major world events. All adjudged to be
>>  prolonged failures. Intelligence on the Tet offensive: on February 1,
>>  hours after the initial mass assaults, General Westmoreland [said]
>>  "I'm frank to admit I didn't know he (the enemy) would do it on the
>>  occasion of Tet itself. I thought he would do it before or after."
>>
>>  The U.S. naval officer in command of river forces in
>>  the Mekong delta and his army counterpart were similarly caught off guard.
>>  Appalled by how poorly positioned they were to provide quick and efficient
>>  response, the naval officer, told the committee that he "well remember(s)
>>  the words...`it's Pearl Harbor all over again.'"

>>  The April, 1968 post-mortem done by intel officers discussed the
>>  general question of warning. It concluded that while 

[CTRL] Fwd: SECRET HILL REPORT ON PRC IN PANAMA

[Anonymous]

http://www.softwar.net/panama1.html

Investigative Report

THE PANAMA CANAL IN TRANSITION: THREATS TO U.S. SECURITY and
CHINA's GROWING ROLE IN LATIN AMERICA

 SECTION BLACKED OUT 

Introduction:

The Panama Canal, one of the world's key strategic waterways, is
scheduled to be turned over to the Panamanian government on
December 31, 1999. The Canal remains vital to American trade and
defense capabilities.  The Canal remains the vital sea link in
the Western Hemisphere between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans,
and an economic and logistical bridgehead between North America
and South America. Currently, some 15 to 20 percent of total
U.S. exports/imports pass through the Canal, including some 40%
of all grain exports. It is also a vulnerable "front-line" state
against the spread of narcotics and terrorism that plague its
South American neighbors.  Ironically, the day that the
delegation arrived in Panama, a week after the closure of the
U.S. counter-narcotics center at Howard Air Base, heavily-armed
Colombian narco-terrorist forces operating on Panamanian soil,
dressed in full combat gear, were interviewed on national
television.

Panama has been the only country in Central or South America to
host an active US military presence [SOUTHCOM] and permanent
military training and operations bases. All of the American
military bases, including counter-narcotics operations centers,
are scheduled to close by June 30, 1999. The People's Republic
of China, through the Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa Ltd.
company, which has close ties to the PRC government and People's
Liberation Army (PLA), was granted a 25-year lease, with an
additional 25 year option, for control of the Canals Atlantic
and Pacific Ocean ports of Balboa and Cristobal and adjacent
facilities. The delegation witnessed Hutchison Whampoa
conducting major construction and port facility expansion at
both the Atlantic and Pacific Canal ports.

Hutchison Whampoa will control the stevedoring [loading and
unloading of ship cargo] at the ports. The company also has a
substantial interest in the railroad line that coordinates
transportation of cargo between the ports. In addition, the
Chinese company is a major bidder on construction of a new
suspension bridge that will link "land canal" highways that will
truck oversized cargo containers between the Atlantic and
Pacific coasts.

The war in neighboring Columbia against well-armed
narco-terrorist forces, with a history of ties to Cuba, is
escalating and threatens to spread throughout the region. Panama
does not have an army, navy or air Force, The Panamanian
government has an ongoing reputation for corruption and
mismanagement. Chinese organized crime organizations are active
in drugs, guns and illegal alien smuggling in Panama, and the
Russian mafia is known to be supplying weapons to Columbian
narco-terrorist forces.

On June 1 - 4, 1999, X, special assistant to X
, Asia and Pacific specialist on the X
XX traveled on a fact finding mission to Panama.
XX

XX

In Panama, the delegation coordinated meetings with XX
XX

XX

XX

XX


In Panama, the delegation met with current and former Panamanian
political leaders, Canal workers, journalists, U.S.  embassy
officials, US military representative and informal American and
Panamanian private citizens. In addition, the delegation drove
the length of the Canal, observing the ports of Balboa and
Cristobal, the Free Trade Zone in Colon and operations of the
important canal locks at Miraflores and Gatun.  In addition, the
delegation visited U.S. military facilities at Fort Clayton
[Pacific Coast] and Fort Sherman Jungle Operations Training
Center [Atlantic Coast],

Mission Goal:

The goal of the mission was to make a cogent assessment of the
developing situation in Panama, including the role of communist
China at the Canal and the growing threat of narco-terrorist
forces in the region. There appears to be a lack of information
or concern on the part of the U.S. Congress and the American
public. The muted debate over the Canal in the United States has
been polarized. Some public interest organizations, warn of
Chinese military bases eventually being created in Panama and
even a future missile threat. On the other hand, the Clinton
administration and a number of professional bureaucrats consider
those fears unfounded and have no qualms about China's growing
role at the Canal. By most accounts, an unfair and corrupt
contractual bidding process, which was protested by the U.S.
ambassador to Panama, enabled the Chinese Hutchison Wham

Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

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 Let 'em go!!! They'd be begging to return...


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[CTRL] Three More Bodies Found In Disney Pond

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from:
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http://news.excite.com/news/r/990622/15/odd-disney-deaths">Three
More Bodies Found In Disney Pond

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Three More Bodies Found In Disney Pond

Updated 3:22 PM ET June 22, 1999ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - Three bodies
were pulled from a pond at Walt Disney Co's "Celebration" community,
bringing to at least four the number of people who have died in the
water there in recent months, police said Tuesday.
The three bodies discovered in a sport utility vehicle submerged in the
pond were believed to be three Massachusetts men missing for nine
months. The vehicle's license plate number identified it as the one that
Scott Renquin, 35, Dan Nelson, 32, and Roger DesVergnes, 31, were using
when they disappeared on Sept. 28 during an Orlando vacation.

Sgt. Darryl Farrar of the Orlando Police Department said police were
waiting for dental records from Massachusetts before positively
identifying the bodies as those of the three men, from the Attleboro
area near Boston.

Police detectives said they decided to search the pond for the men after
a series of accidents and close calls there.

Celebration is a town built by Disney near the company's sprawling Walt
Disney World holiday complex. Celebration is intended to mimic
traditional "small-town" America, complete with a neighborhood feel,
leafy streets and tightly controlled building guidelines.

The bodies were found in a pond near an interstate highway at the end of
World Drive in Celebration. Drivers who miss a stop sign and do not turn
left onto Celebration Boulevard can end up in the water.

The Orlando Sentinel newspaper reported that authorities have pulled
nearly a half-dozen vehicles from the pond in recent months. Farrar said
he was aware of at least one other fatal accident involving the pond.

Divers used sonar to locate the vehicle. Their equipment also detected a
three-foot-long (one meter) alligator they had had to work to avoid
during the operation.

The disappearance of the three Massachusetts men drew national attention
after another tourist visiting Orlando, Anthony Frank of Sausalito,
California, disappeared from an area hotel at about the same time that
the three men vanished.

Frank was found in April in the woods in Georgia. He told investigators
he had been held as a sex slave for more than six months in an incident
with no relation to the Massachusetts mens' disappearance.

Disney officials were not immediately available to comment.



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[CTRL] [2] DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC RITUAL ABUSE EXIST?

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from:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_non1.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_non1.htm">DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC
RITUAL ABUSE EXIST? PART 2

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DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC RITUAL ABUSE EXIST? PART 2



INDICATORS THAT SADISTIC/SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE DOES NOT EXIST (Cont'd)

12. BURIAL OF CORPSES


There have been countless instances in which a SRA survivor has taken
police investigators to the exact location where she saw bodies being
buried after human sacrifices. The police search the area and sometimes
bring in heavy earth moving machinery to help. At most, they will
recover a few bones from animals who have died of natural causes. No
bodies have ever been unearthed.

SRA promoters will counter the lack of corpses with the assertion that
the Satanists came back later, secretly dug up the bodies and buried
them elsewhere. They would have done this in order to ruin the
credibility of any member who turned against the "cult". But this theory
does not hold water. One has to dig a pit in order to bury a body. And,
even when the pit is filled in, it is still detectable - often for tens
of thousands of years. The change in soil consistency between firm,
compacted dirt and loose dirt is easily detected. Bacteria will grow
quickly in loose earth and change the soil color significantly. So, even
if the bodies are removed, the filled-in pits remain in place.
13. ACCIDENTAL DISCOVERIES BY POLICE OR FIRE FIGHTERS


One would expect that a building somewhere where SRA was practiced would
eventually catch on fire. The fire fighters would then find evidence
(pens for holding victims, blood soaked altar, etc.). Similarly, a SRA
location would sooner or later be entered by the police in a drug raid,
and evidence would be found. No such cases are known.
14. MAJOR GOVERNMENT STUDIES


Investigations have been completed by four governments: the state of
Virginia (1991), and the governments of Great Britain (1994), the
Netherlands (1994) and the United States (1994). All have shown that SRA
does not exist at any significant level in their jurisdictions.

If SRA existed in any level, one would expect at least one government
study somewhere would have found evidence of it.
15. GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION OF SRA


Belief about widespread SRA and a strong SRA industry exists only in
countries, where belief of the reality of the Christian devil as an
evil, active, person is widespread. These include the US, Canada, and
England. With the possible exception of the Netherlands, "Satanic
panics" have not been triggered in countries in which belief in the
Satan is rare. They have fizzled in the rest of Europe.

If SRA exists internationally, one would expect it to be present in all
nominally Christian countries. The prevalence of SRA beliefs appear to
be related to our beliefs about Satan rather than any objective reality.

16. WHERE DO THE HUMAN SACRIFICES COME FROM?


There are about 25,000 known homicides in the US each year. SRA
promoters typically claim that an additional 50,000 people, mostly
infants, are killed in human sacrifices by Satanic (and similar) groups.
Since the kidnapping of even one child can trigger a nation-wide search,
it is difficult to comprehend how 50,000 could disappear and not be
noticed.

SRA promoters often answer this argument with the concept of breeding
camps. These are concentration camps in which thousands of women are
kept prisoner, and continually kept pregnant. Their new-born babies are
then transported across the US and Canada for sacrifice. One such camp
near Cornwall ON is supposed to imprison 2,500 women. This would pose
serious problems of concealment. Such a camp would be many times larger
than the largest of Canadian penitentiaries, and would require a total
staff of about 1000. Any of the staff could become instantly very rich
by simply telling their story to the National Inquirer; it would be the
story of the decade. Such a prison would be impossible to hide for long.


SRA would require a plentiful supply of babies for sacrifice. No such
supply exists.
17. GENDER IMBALANCE AMONG SRA PERPETRATORS


The SRA industry promotes the concept that most abuse and programming is
done by parents of survivors; i.e. by both mother and father. The abuse,
torture and human sacrifices by Satanists (or other groups) is viewed as
both:
1.intra-family: involving the victim, her mother, her father and perhaps
grand parents
2.inter-family: involving a Satanic grotto composed of many mothers,
fathers and their children.


The perpetrators are thus evenly divided between men and women.

However, the vast majority of sexual predators of children are male.
Convicted pedophiles are almost all male; few females are ever involved.
Thus the SRA industry's belief concerning the gender makeup of the
perpetrators does not agree with decades of studies of sexual abusers.
18. INTER-GENERATIONAL CONTINUITY OF ABUSE


The SRA industry promotes the concept

[CTRL] THE ILLUMINATI MILLENNIUM RITUALS

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
http://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/arizona_update.htm
http://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/arizona_update.htm">Update_on_Arizona_Wil
der_article

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Late Breaking News from David Icke at http://www.davidicke.com


THE ILLUMINATI MILLENNIUM RITUALS

by Arizona Wilder



Updated June 9th 1999VERY IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ

Arizona Wilder conducted human sacrifice rituals for the Illuminati
elite for decades. These included the British Royal Family, George Bush,
Henry Kissinger, and a stream of world famous names revealed in "The
Biggest Secret" and the video, "Revelations of a Mother Goddess",
available through this website (http://www.davidicke.com).



Since she escaped from her mind controlled confinement, she has
dedicated herself to exposing what is happening. I received this letter
from her dated May 25th 1999 in which she details the key points in the
Illuminati ritual programme running up to the Millennium.



I should emphasize a few things for those who have not read "The Biggest
Secret." The Illuminati, the clique which control the direction of the
world, are genetic hybrids, the result of interbreeding between a
reptilian extraterrestrial race and humanity many thousands of years
ago. The centre of power is not even in this dimension -- it is in the
lower fourth dimension, the lower astral as many people call it, the
traditional home for the "demons" of folklore and myth. These fourth
dimensional reptilian entities work through these hybrid bloodlines
because they have a vibrational compatibility with each other. This is
why the European royal and aristocratic families have interbred so
obsessively, as do the so called Eastern Establishment families of the
United States which produce the leaders of America. Every presidential
election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by
the candidate with the most European royal genes. Of the 42 presidents
to Bill Clinton, 33 have been genetically related to two people, Alfred
the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of
what we now call France. It is the same wherever you look in the
positions of power.. they are the same tribe!



As well as an obsession with interbreeding with each other to preserve
their genetic structure, the Illuminati are also obsessed with symbolism
and ritual. Interestingly, conventional science has documented that the
reptilian part of the human brain (the R complex as they call it) is the
source of the following behavior traits: An obsession with ritual, cold
blooded behavior, territorialism "this belongs to me", and an obsession
with top down hierarchical structures. This sums up the Illuminati
mentality perfectly and it goes that if you have more of that R complex,
or that it is activated more than normal, you will manifest these traits
far more profoundly.



But their ritual is not just for ceremonial purposes or gratuitous
horror. The rituals are designed to rewire the energy fields and grids
of the planet and therefore to fundamentally affect human consciousness.
The rituals these bloodlines performed in the ancient world are the same
as they do now. See The Biggest Secret for the background. They have a
detailed annual calendar of events on which they perform their sacrifice
rituals in line with key lunar, solar, and planetary cycles to harness
that energy for their sick agenda to take complete control of Planet
Earth in the very near future.



With that background, here is the full text of the communication from
Arizona Wilder. I will add my comments in dark type where more
background may be needed for those new to these subjects.



David Icke







David - This information needs to go out to everyone as fast as
possible.



The Illuminati are conducting a ritual to be held at the Great Pyramid
at Giza in Egypt, on August 11, 12, and 13th, 1999. (Specifically the
Mothers of Darkness-the top conductors of rituals, will officiate). This
ritual is "The Rite to Open the Passage" (the Eye of Horus). This will
open the passage for lower fourth dimensional energy to be directed into
the leylines of the Earth. This will (is designed to) also close the 3rd
eye (consciousness) of all on this planet that oppose the Illuminati. It
will further shut down (is designed to) the other people who are not
actively aware or opposing the Illuminati but feel uneasy about what is
going on and cannot figure out why.



The solar eclipse which is to take place on August 11 (over the key
Earth power centre of Cornwall, England) will also have a "Grand Square"
which makes it extremely powerful. This eclipse is the beginning of a
six month period in which there will be much activity of significance
that pinnacles in The Rite of Establishment of the Age of Horus (Osiris
reborn) at the Millennium.





This symbolism relates to the ancient Egyptian legends of Osiris (the
father), Horus (the son), and Isis (the virgin mothe

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

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> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:21:52 +0100
> From: Chris Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

ric carter wrote:
>
> @ The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World, by David Icke.
> "Icke's main thesis is that the world is being run by reptilian ETs who
> suck human blood, and that people like Hillary Clinton, Henry Kissinger,
> and the Queen of England are shape-changing reptiles from that ancient
> cold-blooded family line." http://www.konformist.com/1999/icke-keith.htm

Oooo, can I get this in before my unsubscribe (I'm going on Honeymoon and am
cancelling my lists for two weeks).

It just goes to show what a great country Britain is, David Icke was once a
promising soccer player, when his career ended, through injury, he became a
TV commentator, and then on to be the spokesman for the Green Party. He then
went a bit weird, I remember seeing him on Wogan (it was a popular early
evening interview program) many moons ago, it was too embarrassing to watch,
he was comparing himself to Jesus, I don't think he actually came and said
he was the second comming but I could be wrong, he started wearing turquoise
all the time and wanted to move another woman into the marital home.

So why is Britain so great? We laughed him out of the country, I wonder
where he ended up :)

See ya all in a couple of weeks.
--
Chris.

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[CTRL] The Pope's Armada

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The three most powerful of the ultra-traditionalist movements within the
Catholic Church engage in secret initiation ceremonies, brainwashing
techniques involving ego destruction, moral and spiritual intimidation
and highly questionable, even dangerous, psycotherapeutic practices.
These three movements--Focolare, Communion and Liberation and the
Neocatechumenate--have a total world membership of around thirty million
. They are completely self-contained, and each is ruled by a charismatic
founder, the centre of a fanatical personality cult. In many respects
these movements behave like other sects such as the Moonies. Yet they
have the strong support of Pope John Paul himself, who has adopted them
as his personal 'Armada': his task-force for a crusade of extreme
right-wing values.

The author, who for nine years was a Focolare leader, draws on
interviews with ex-members and his own experiences to reveal the bizarre
hidden world of these organizations. The Pope's Armada shockingly
depicts a potent and sinister force for reaction, which could turn out
to be John Paul II's most enduring legacy. --This text refers to the
mass market paperback edition of this title

>From the Publisher
"A remarkably balanced and informative account... his book is
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"Urquhart's own experience of leading a cult within the Catholic Church
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Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

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> Ric Carter wrote:
>
> >"there's no provision in the US Constitution for the dissolution of our
> democratic republic"
>
> You're right, Ric, that provision is in the Declaration of Independence
> and is still valid!

For all its glory, the Declaration of Independence is not a legally-
binding document.  It is fine propaganda, a beautiful proclamation,
but it ain't law.  It triggered a war, just as Confederate secession
triggered a war, just as ANY non-Constitutional separations trigger
wars.  If you attempt to secede without first building the appropriate
Constitutional structure, you'll provoke massive death and destruction.
Get a Secession Amendment passed, and separation will be bloodless and
almost automatic.  What's your preference?

> Also, this is not a democratic republic (a contadiction in terms), what
> we have is a Democracy (the United States, incorporated in 1871) and a
> Union of these united States (a Republic) conquered by D.C. as a result
> of the War Against all States. The Republic still exists but is ignored
> by a corrupt and lazy People. The Democracy is merely a tool for the
> Plutocracy and will one day destroy the Republic if We let them...

Republic means, rule by representatives.  Democracy means, selection of
those representatives by more-or-less popular vote.  That's exactly what
was set up in the Constitution.  Art.1 Sect.1: "All legislative Powers
herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States" - ie
a republic.  Art.1 Sect.2: "The [Congress] shall be composed of Members
chosen... by the People of the several States" - ie a democracy.  Call
it what you want, the US is indeed a democratic republic.  Your decrepit
revisionist arguments have no merit.  Bother.

Let's expand this a bit:

I'm fascinated by all the 16th-, 17th-, 18th- and 19th-century thinking
that abounds here as we're moving into the 21st century.  Let's think of
database design: once we go beyond flat-files, the basic topologies are
1) hierarchical, 2) relational, and 3) networked.  In this analogy, flat-
files are feudal, rigid; hierarchies are monarchical, militaristic; the
relational DB is democratic, flexible; the networked DB is dynamic, neo-
anarchic, decentralized.  There's a direct connexion between the speed
and complexity of communications, and those levels of organization I
just listed.  Afoot or ahorse, you're feudal, flat-filed; link a land
with rails and you can implement hierarchies; add telegraph, telephones,
motor-road webs, and you can go relational; get wired and wireless, and
autonomous entities can network with ease.  What's the next step, when
we have cellphones implanted in our nervous systems and are effectively
telepathic - not a group-mind, but a constellation of consciousnesses?

Hey, I'm talking analogy here; don't sweat the details. Think of trends.

Conspiratorialists seem fixated on replicating flat or hierarchic social
structures onto the world, rarely envisioning the flexibility and freedom
of democratic association and networked dynamism.  Engrossed with alleged
Rothchild/Rockefeller plots, not noticing that international finance is
now totally decentralized, uncontrolled, flowing thru sub-centers and
ever-increasing numbers of local nodes at speeds and volumes that are
barely conceivable, let alone graspable.  Talking of Southern Secession,
when Southern politicians already control all branches of US Gov't - to
secede would mean to RELINQUISH that control, which just ain't likely.
Focusing on models of the past, ignoring the future that's now evolving,
where one person with a telephone can organize an international ban on
landmines against the efforts of the world's major military powers, or
another person with a telephone can organize a bombing campaign against
the mightiest state.  Individuals are now more empowered than at any
time in human history - not all individuals, just those who recognize
the links, the possibilities, the strength of intentional networks.

Southern secession?  Ya sure, by golly.Next subject?

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[CTRL] CULT CONTROL

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JANUARY 27, 1997 VOL. 149 NO. 4



RELIGION

CULT CONTROL

EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS SEARCH FOR WAYS TO CONTAIN THE GROWING INFLUENCE OF
RELIGIOUS SECTS WITHOUT ENDANGERING FREEDOM OF BELIEF

BY ROD USHER



Faith is in the eye of the believer. Alain Gest, the French politician
who presided over a parliamentary commission investigating cults and new
religious movements, puts it bluntly: "If you want to wake up at 4 am
each day to pray to an onion that you call God, I have nothing against
it." But he adds: "Where I do have a problem is if you also pray in my
name or on my behalf, and ask me for $30,000 for it. That is where we
are drawing the line."

In France and around the world, the need to draw a line between
mainstream and manipulative beliefs is becoming pressing as new
proselytizers--from mere adapters of traditional creeds to frightening
merchants of doom--blur the distinction. Trying to reconcile the
resulting clash between liberty and protection is proving a big headache
for governments.

The French parliamentary commission, in a report published last year,
underscored the problem facing most countries when it said: "The notion
of the sect is totally absent within French law." It added: "Religion
being the private sphere of citizens...creates the legal impossibility
of defining the social forms religious exercise can take..." But the
conundrum has to be addressed as bizarre new groups, from Aum Shinrikyo
to the Order of the Solar Temple, take belief to such lethal extremes as
putting gas in the Tokyo subway or committing group suicide in French
forests.

Many modern seekers of souls--and frequently wallets--call themselves
churches and claim the enshrined rights the name entails. Some of them
cause families to fall apart, or prove that a faithful fool and his
money are easily parted. The French commission listed as characteristics
found among these groups: mental destabilization; rupture with a
member's previous environment; physical abuse or constraint;
sequestration of children; anti-social messages; threats to public
order; unorthodox financial practices; and possible infiltration of
government.

The rise of cults and new religious movements has accompanied the
decline in congregations of traditional religions. Their prime
attraction is gospels that wash away the doubt and searching intrinsic
to older creeds. They offer Simon Says theology instead, a
follow-the-earthly-leader approach which appeals because ultimately
leaps to obedience are easier than leaps of faith. Says Daphne Vane, of
the Britain's Families Action Information Resource (fair), which
counsels cult-leavers and families: "In the past 20 years we have seen a
burgeoning of new movements offering solace and a total solution." The
European approach to this upsurge of both benign and malign unorthodoxy
differs from that in the United States, where many of the new groups
began. While the European response tends to be tougher, it is anything
but unified.

Nowhere is the liberty/watchdog debate more polemical than in Germany.
Says Ingo Heinemann, of the Bonn-based Campaign for Intellectual and
Psychic Freedom, a parents' committee: "Consumer protection is already
the law for medical or food items, and it's time that the state
regulates the psycho market as well. These organizations can take away
people's ability to protect themselves." Various German states have
heeded this advice, but there are also voices raised against
intervention, calling it at best unnecessary, at worst discriminatory.
Says Irwin Scheuch, emeritus professor of sociology at Cologne
University: "Sects come and go. Nobody should really get that excited.
The danger to German society is not the sects but the hysterical
reaction to them."

Some reaction has been intense enough to ruffle international diplomacy.
The U.S. State Department, in its annual reports on human rights, has
criticized the German Government for "discrimination" against the Church
of Scientology, which claims to have about 30,000 followers among more
than 80 million Germans. The U.S. attitude has been firmed by action
taken in Germany against American Scientologists, such as jazz pianist
Chick Corea, who in 1993 was barred from playing at a state- sponsored
concert in Bavaria. Last October, Scientologists renewed a campaign
begun in 1995, placing advertisements in American newspapers using
Holocaust references to claim their treatment is comparable to that of
the Jews by the Nazis. The State Department eventually balked at this,
spokesman Nicholas Burns calling the comparison "outrageous."

The department's initial stand, however, reveals the gap betwe

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[CTRL] American Extemists - Militias, Supremacists, Klansmen, Communists, & Others

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AMERICAN EXTREMISTS

Militias, Supremacists, Klansmen, Communists, & Others

John George & Laird WiIcox


Extremist movements aren't new, but the tragic events in Oklahoma City,
New York

City, and elsewhere have awakened Americans to this frightening reality
within their borders. What sorts of fringe groups exist? Who joins up
and why? What do they want and what are they willing to do to accomplish
their goals? How serious is the danger? In response to these questions,
noted experts John George and Laird Wilcox have teamed up to examine the
frayed edges of human behaviour

Beginning with a summary of pre-1960 movements, they then discuss
conspiracy theories and what motivates extremists. Their thoroughly
documented and detailed tour of contemporary groups on the "far left"
and the 'far right" includes recent militia groups making headlines.
Included as well is an in-depth appendix on the use of fake quotes and
fabricated documents a staple of many extremist organisations.

John George (Edmond, OK) is professor of political science and sociology
at the University of Central Oklahoma. Laird Wilcox (Olathe, KS) is
founder of The Wilcox Collection of Contemporary Political Movements,
the largest collection of extremist literature in the United States.

443 pp (Photo Insert, Appendices, Index)

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[CTRL] BLOOD ON THE ALTAR - Confessions of a Jehovah 's Witness Minister

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BLOOD ON THE ALTAR

Confessions of a Jehovah 's Witness Minister

David A. Reed


"More kids are dying right now in obedience to the Jehovah's Witnesses
ban on blood transfusions than perished in the fire at Waco, Texas,"
says former Witness elder David A. Reed. "How can a major sect with
headquarters in New York City and twelve million attending its religious
services world-wide quietly lead victims to early deaths without public
outcry?" Reed cites dozens of well-documented cases - media reports
naming victims, doctors, and hospitals issuing their death certificates
- as he blows the whistle on a deadly cult that secretly instructs
members to kidnap children from hospital beds and teaches children to
resist doctors violently and give false testimony in court.

This former minister, now widely recognized as an authority on the sect,
explains his own role in bringing new members tinder mind control. With
captivating anecdotes he details an enforcement apparatus that reaches
even into clinics and hospitals. He brings to light secret instructions
for hospital employees to turn over confidential patient records to the
church, and tells how the hierarchy conducts bedside trials of members
who accept forbidden medical treatment. Reed joined the sect as a naive
young adult and rose through the ranks until he learned how the
secretive leadership operated. Realizing that his friends were dying for
beliefs supposedly channelled from God, but actually fabricated by the
church hierarchy. After leaving the sect, he spent years researching its
history and activities evidence revealed here for the first time. Reed's
warning cannot be ignored.

David A. Reed (Assonet. MA) is publisher and editor of Comments from the
Friends, and author of Behind the Watchtower Curtain, How to Rescue Your
Loved One from the Watch tower, and other books.

285 pages

ISBN 1-57392-059-2 Cloth

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: 'Many cops imagine they are in a war zone'

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<< They also get to steal, deal, rape and extort with relative impunity. >>

Yeah, that's what I mean.  Prudy

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[CTRL] CANNIBALISM - From Sacrifice to Survival

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CANNIBALISM

>From Sacrifice to Survival

Hans Askenasy, Ph.D.


The idea of "cannibalism" tends to conjure up the notion of ferocious
primitive tribes in the jungles of Africa cooking one of their enemies.
Cannibalism: From Sacrifice to Survival shows that this practice is all
too common.

Written in a clear and accessible style, psychologist Hans Askenasy has
developed the first comprehensive history of a subject that is a
combination of extreme violence, horror and exotic customs. Askenasy
discusses the many well-known incidents of cannibalism, including the
lnca and Aztecs, Georg Haarman, the Donner Party, the Leningrad siege
during World War II, the Andes airplane crash. the Colorado man-eater,
and Jeffrey Dahmer, as well as the historical background of cannibalism
including natural and man-made famines, magic, religious rituals,
sacrifice, werewolves, witches, and vampires.

Askenasy also addresses our continuing fascination with cannibalism -
from the Andes crash movie Alive to Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula; from
Jeffrey Dahmer in Wisconsin to Chikatilo in Rostov.

The only book of its kind, Canniballism: From Sacrifice to Survival is
an absorbing examination of human behaviour, too often shrouded in
mystery until now.

Hans Askenasy (Laguna Beach, CA) is a clinical psychologist in private
practice. He is the author of many articles and books, including Are We
All Nazis? and the critically acclaimed Hitler's Secret.

268 pages (Photo Inserts) Publication date: 30th March, 1995

ISBN 0-87975-906-2

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[CTRL] [1] DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC RITUAL ABUSE EXIST?

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_none.htm">DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC
RITUAL ABUSE EXIST? (PART

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DOES SATANIC/SADISTIC RITUAL ABUSE EXIST? (PART 1)




Ritual Abuse is also called SRA, Satanic Ritual Abuse, Ritualistic
Abuse, Sadistic Ritual Abuse, Cult Related Abuse, etc.)


What People Believe:

Some believe that a high-tech, secret, international Satanic
organization engages in horrendous ritual abuse, mutilation and torture
- largely of children. Some attribute abuse to mind and behavior control
cults or other hidden groups. 50,000 ritual human sacrifices are
commonly estimated to occur each year in the US alone. Perpetrators are
believed to drink the blood and eat the flesh of the victims and engage
in sexual excesses. Generational Satanists are believed to exist who
sacrifice some of their children and pass on their killing and
mutilating rituals to other children.
A SRA industry composed of seminar speakers and authors has sprung up to
promote this belief system.


Does It Exist?


The simple answers are yes and no. It does not exist as an international
conspiracy. It does not exist as a widespread underground
inter-generational cult that passes its abusive beliefs and practices
from grandparents to parents to children. There have been a few,
isolated cases of activities that might be called "Sadistic Ritual
Abuse", although none match the belief system described above and none
are done by intergenerational secret "cults".

Investigators are thus divided on the existence and nature of this form
of abuse. Some believe that there are an average of 50,000 ritual
murders per year in North America; others believe very few or none.

It is essentially impossible to prove that something does not exist. For
example, who can prove that they did not beat their spouse last year on
the evening of January 15th?. However, there are strong indications that
SRA is not practiced at any significant level in North America.

INDICATORS THAT SADISTIC/SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE DOES NOT EXIST

1.1800 YEAR HISTORY OF UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOURS:


Rumors of an evil, underground, abusive religious group were well
documented during the early history of the Christian church. W.J.
Bethancourt III 1 quotes a (presumably Pagan) Roman writer from the 1st
century CE.  Minicus Felix wrote the following piece of hate literature
which describes how the Christians allegedly kidnapped babies, ritually
killed them, dismembered them, drank their blood, ate their flesh and
engaged in degenerate sexual practices:

"As for the initiation of new members, the details are as disgusting as
they are well known. The novice himself, deceived by the coating of
dough (covering a sacrificial infant), thinks the stabs are harmless.
Then, it's horrible! They hungrily drink the blood and compete with one
another as they divide his limbs. And the fact they all share knowledge
of the crime pledges them all to silence. On the feast-day they
foregather with all their children, sisters, mothers, people of either
sex and all ages. Now, in the dark, so favorable to shameless behavior,
they twine the bonds of unnamable passion, as chance decides. Precisely
the secrecy of this evil religion proves that all these things, or
practically all, are true."

This "urban folk tale," of course, never happened. It was simply an
attempt to organize religious hatred against a new religion. The first
century hate literature was based on:
the practices of some Christians to seek out and save the lives of
abandoned infants; the rumor implied that the babies were later murdered
in rituals the communion ritual in which Christians consumed wine and
bread, with the belief that it had been transmuted into the blood and
body of Christ; the rumor implied that real blood and body parts were
used during the ritual the practice of early Christians to have a shared
meal and social gathering; the rumor implied that these were orgies

The same basic story has continued intermittently in many variations for
some 1800 years. The Church used it against the heretics, lepers,
Cathars, Knights Templar and Witches during the period 1000 to 1800 AD.
Hitler used it against the Jews and Gypsies during the 1930's. The USSR
used it against the Jews more recently. A variety of SRA promoters are
using it against Satanists, followers of minority religions, men's
fraternal organizations, self help groups, etc. today. The stories are
almost identical (less the coating of dough).

Historians do not believe that these tales were true in the past; there
is no reason to assume that the latest manifestation of the same rumor
is true today. Promoters of SRA are simply continuing the lies of the
Inquisition, of Nazi Germany, and of the USSR into the 1990's. Most are
believed to do this unknowingly. Most firmly believe in the reality of
SRA.
2.FRAUDS IN THE SRA INDUSTRY


Much of the public's current be

[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] What's HUD got to do with it?

[Anonymous]

Bob 
you were absoutely eloquent here. And I am more grateful - and astonished - than 
ever to have someone of Catherine's caliber as a contributing editor to my 
newsletter, From The Wilderness. What I have been after for twenty-one years of 
often painful toil and wandering - through the wilderness  - is very near 
at hand. It is a complete understanding of how it all works - and why. Once we 
have that, in the age of information, we have the keys to dismantle it. It's 
true.
 
Someday Catherine will share her personal knowledge of Jack Kemp. He is 
not what his press releases and tail waggers make him out to 
be.
 
As 
Catherine says, in the coming age the information about money is more important 
than money itself. It is the money. The reason none of us have been able to stop 
this juggernaut of evile is because it makes so much money. But once we figure 
it out we will have the money. If that's not clear to you it will be 
soon.
 
But 
what we are now seeing is that the system which sustains the evil is not itself 
sustainable. The snake eats its own tail. The snake knows it must change and the 
snake, ever the snake, will seek to make a profit from turning itself into a 
lion or a lamb. There was more to the U.S. Castro talks on drugs than meets the 
eye. I agree with Catherine. I think they're going to flip the current model 
soon - maybe using Y2K as a result. That would certainly explain all the prison 
camp contruction which has been rumored and the very real prison construction 
which we have seen.
 
I will 
have some big surprises in the June issue.
 
Mike 
Ruppert
http://www.copvcia.com">www.copvcia.com
 

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of BobSent: Tuesday, June 
22, 1999 7:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[CIA-DRUGS] What's HUD got to do with it?Catherine, you 
have effectively pinned the tail on the ostrich: 
 "Drugs and replacing drug profits with real estate capital 
gains on the   clean up could explain the speed at which Clinton, 
Gore, Cuomo and   the Republicans have embraced the Soviet housing 
model in the US" 
I don't trust the slimy weasels to give up their drug profits. They're 
accustomed to multiplying their returns. They learned it from the CIA. 
 "embraced the Soviet housing model in the US, while their 
international   agencies are insisting on market principles abroad 
and China, Russia,   and other countries are moving to market 
principles." 
Paradoxical?--"public" housing is also the last bastion of 
segregation and the beach-head of a more general assault on civil rights 
and human dignity, for instance no search warrant is required for SWAT 
teams on a search-and- destroy mission in segregated(i.e. 
"public") housing when certain hocus-pocus words are 
incanted("Boaz-gun-cadavra"), or when management is paid to search 
apartments while tenants are out, taking photos, planting video and 
audio bugs. For some reason heroin addicts seem to get first notice of 
when the resulting jump-out is scheduled, next crack-heads, and 
herbalists last, since they are almost human. Truly 
"disadvantaged" individuals may examine photos of their closet 
contents days in advance of the cub scout jamboree. I suppose that 
posting the national guard on the corner with lights and a generator is 
not a posse comitatus violation as long as they are not packing Zippos. 
The corruption of the lower pyramid fails to demonstrate that the 
upper pyramid is the source of all earthly enlightenment. 
I learned what peon means by standing in the yellow rain and hoping 
that the heavy dark clouds overhead had a silver lining of fertilizer. 
The only hopes I could see were openness, accountability, and that the 
resulting new spectator class in a glass house might find new 
incentives, for example via some form of tenant-control, even tenant 
ownership as at the Kenilworth experimental village. You have those same 
positive principles in mind: 
 "bipartisan and White House sabotaging of all plans to open 
the   overall portfolio to financial disclosure and competitive 
allocation   of subsidy, let alone tennant controlled 
subsidy." 
Although it might not have become obvious to most people until all of 
the Yugo Danube bridges were demolished, urban renewal at home has a 
parallel in war-making. Cycles of drug-based condemnation, demolition, 
building of projects, policy-based demolition of crime-infested and 
hi-rise, new projects and gentrification, may be consciously intended 
and planned cycles. Grovelling before the IMF and World Bank is just as 
addictive and pre-occupying as individuals getting on welfare and 
getting tied up with appointment schedules that preclude working, so job 
training is the only job that will ever

Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

[Anonymous]

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Ric Carter wrote:

>"there's no provision in the US Constitution for the dissolution of our
democratic republic"

You're right, Ric, that provision is in the Declaration of Independence
and is still valid!

Also, this is not a democratic republic (a contadiction in terms), what
we have is a Democracy (the United States, incorporated in 1871) and a
Union of these united States (a Republic) conquered by D.C. as a result
of the War Against all States. The Republic still exists but is ignored
by a corrupt and lazy People. The Democracy is merely a tool for the
Plutocracy and will one day destroy the Republic if We let them...

Robert Paul

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

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SkeptiNews 990623a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No pathetic secessionists were harmed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Net crime prompts cyber squad call. A UK cyberforce is needed to combat
  rising online crime like paedophilia, pornography and piracy, says a major
  report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_375000/375156.stm

: Have you committed any sex crimes on the Net? Did the voices in your head
tell you to? Have you been caught, tried, punished? Would you do it again???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World, by David Icke.
  "Icke's main thesis is that the world is being run by reptilian ETs who
  suck human blood, and that people like Hillary Clinton, Henry Kissinger,
  and the Queen of England are shape-changing reptiles from that ancient
  cold-blooded family line." http://www.konformist.com/1999/icke-keith.htm

@ The Architecture of Modern Political Power. Modern American civilization
  is substantially shaped and controlled by the inheritors of the empire of
  influence and ideology founded by Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, Rhodes,
  Carnegie, and their cohorts. Control rests at the highest (global) level
  in stooges of the Bilderberg group, dominated by the House of Rothschild &
  by their collaborating, subordinate, far more visible rival, the House of
  Rockefeller. http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

: Are your favorite conspiracies run by Reptilioids or Republicans? Do any
Anarchist, Communist or Populist conspiracies actually exist, or are those
just fronts for The Big Conspiracy? Are you a shape-changing reptile? Yeah?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Three More Bodies Found In Disney Pond. ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) 3 bodies
  were pulled from a pond at Walt Disney Co's "Celebration" community,
  bringing to at least four the number of people who have died in the water
  there in recent months. The disappearance of the 3 Massachusetts men drew
  national attention after another tourist visiting Orlando, Anthony Frank
  of Sausalito, California, disappeared from an area hotel at about the same
  time that the three men vanished. Frank was found in April in the woods in
  Georgia. He told investigators he had been held as a sex slave for more
  than six months. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990622/15/odd-disney-deaths

: Has Disney gone totally Satanist? Is this NIGHT ON BALD MOUNTAIN without
the music? Would you like to be a sex slave to Mickey or Minnie? Who else?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NASA LEADS EFFORT TO CRACK MYSTERIES OF LIGHTNING. In the US between 1959
  and 1994, 3,239 people were killed by lightning strikes and 9,818 people
  were injured. Understanding how & why lightning occurs may help scientists
  reduce the estimated $35 million in annual losses due to thunderbolts. At
  a NASA lightning confab, scientists presented findings on global lightning
  patterns garnered from instruments that provide a view of lightning from
  above the cloud tops. http://cnn.com/NATURE/9906/22/lightning.enn/

: What's the connexion between lightning-control, HAARP, mind-control, cold-
fusion, free power, directed-energy-beam weapons, & total global domination?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Bruce H.G. Calder's THIS-DAY-IN-HISTORY - June 23, 1987

-United States- In an exclusive interview, Jim Bakker, the disgraced former
head of the PTL Club offers an apology to Jessica Hahn for the affair that
led to his being forced from his ministry. "It was a terrible mistake...and
I believe Christ has forgiven me." Bakker denies knowing that Hahn was paid
hush money. Jessica Hahn will be a featured attraction in Playboy Magazine.
In 1989 Bakker will be convicted of conspiracy and wire and mail fraud, for
mishandling funds for his ministry's Heritage USA theme park. He will be
sentenced to 45 years in prison, (to be reduced later to eight years.)

Jessica Hahn
  http://www.msnbc.com/onair/nbc/dateline/celeb1.asp
Bakker's Other Conspiracy by Terry Mattingly
  http://204.253.132.191/tmattingly/col.12.04.96.html
Jim Bakker Rejects 'Prosperity Gospel'
  http://www.charismamag.com/stories/cse96jim.htm
Jim, Tammy Faye Describe Downfall
  http://www3.christianity.net/ct/6TD/6TD106.html
Great Moments from Nightline - Real Video
  http://archive.abcnews.go.com/onair/nightline/html_files/moments.html
Ten Years After the Fall
  http://www.strang.com/cm/stories/cf197103.htm
  http://www.charisma.net/strang/cm/stories/cf197103.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Taliban imposes anti-material ban. ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) Afghanistan's
  Taliban religious rulers made the publication of anti-Taliban material a
  crime carrying a five-year jail term. The measures were announced by the
  Taliban's supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, who disputed

Re: [CTRL] The Southern Party

[Anonymous]

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- Original Message -
From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > With the mood of the nation swiftly moving toward third party
> > fever a party favoring secession is growing. It is called The
> > Southern Party (http://www.southernparty.com) and its goal is
> > to elect enough congressmen to vote independence for the South.

Of course, there's no provision in the US Constitution for the
dissolution of our democratic republic, no legal mechanism for
seceding; so if this 'movement' is to bear fruit without seeing
another US Civil War, the secessionists must first enact a con-
stitutional amendment authorizing states to withdraw from the
Union.  So, secessionist fervor must be engaged across the US.

The resultant Dixie Republic, likely comprised of Virginia, the
Carolinas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, would be
an economic 'powerhouse' about on a par with, say, Italy, and
would be easily controlled by financial interests based in Cali
and Medellin, Columbia - in other words, it would be a plaything
of druglords.  The NSA and CIA, both based in Virginia, would
have free reign across the realm.  What a nice place, eh?

The transplanted Yankees, Canadians, Cubans and other Latinos
and Islanders of Florida would not be inclined to join Dixie,
nor would the Hispanics of Texas.  The Texas Republic would
likely be reconstituted, an oil and agribiz realm of some
importance.  A new California Republic would be reborn too,
with the 6th largest economy in the world, dwarfing Dixie &
Texas.  Other independent bio/geo-regions would emerge: a
Kingdom of Hawaii [but with a Japanese king?]; Oregon and
Washington associating with Western Canadian secessionists
to form ABC, American-British Columbia; New England merging
with the Canadian Maritimes; etc.  Hmmm, by the time the US
balkanizes totally, California will be the fifth or fourth
largest economy in the world, the dominant realm of North
America.  Read all about it in Joel Garreau's book THE NINE
NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA.  Then consider who'll wield power.

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[CTRL] Good Decision For Jury Rights

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 This is a good decision regarding Jury Rights. The requirement that juries
must return
a unanimous verdict in criminal cases is probably the last "citizen's
defense" against statism.
For years, the statists have sought to weaken the jury system and many
judges try to interfere
with the process in order to get the verdict they want.

Regards,
Fred Woeckener

Symington Conviction Overturned

Associated Press
Wednesday, June 23, 1999; Page A02

PHOENIX, June 22-A federal appeals court today overturned the bank fraud
convictions that drove Gov. Fife Symington from office in 1997, saying a
juror who insisted Symington was not guilty was wrongly removed by the
judge during deliberations.

A 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled 2-1 that there was a
"reasonable possibility" that Mary Jane Cotey was removed because she
disagreed with other jurors about Symington's guilt, not because she failed
to take part in the deliberations.

Symington--who was sentenced to 2 1/2 years behind bars but remained free
on appeal--is entitled to a new trial.

SNIP

Six days into jury deliberations, U.S. District Judge Roger Strand
dismissed Cotey and replaced her with an alternate. Other jurors said that
Cotey, 76, was inattentive and confused, didn't seem to understand some
evidence and wouldn't explain her positions.

After interviewing Cotey and other jurors, Strand concluded that she was
"either unable or unwilling to deliberate with her colleagues," a
permissible ground for removal.

Cotey said later that she would have voted to acquit and that fellow jurors
forced her out because they wanted to convict him.

The appeals court said a judge cannot dismiss a juror if there is a
reasonable possibility that the reason stems from the juror's views.
Instead, the judge must order more deliberations or declare a mistrial.
© Copyright 1999 The Associated Press

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[CTRL] HAARPs Covert Agenda

[Anonymous]

In 
case anyone was wondering where the chupacabras were coming from. 
 
Nicky








HAARP'S Covert 
AgendasThe Big 
Picture
by John A. 
QuinnAll material copyright 
© 1998 John A. Quinn NewsHawk INC
Posted with Author's 
Permission
 


Index 

Introduction 
Haarp on 
Long Island 
Official 
lies 
Changes at 
Camp Hero 
Montauk--The project that wouldn't 
die 
The 
fax 
Official 
info or official disinfo? 
The 
text 
Coverup? 
"El 
HAARPO" 
Whose 
thought was that? 
The real 
story 
RADAR 
Evidence 
Quake 
city 
Turning it 
around 
HAARP 
Fundamentals 
EM 
Warfare 


 
INTRODUCTION
HAARP--High-frequency 
Active Auroral Research Program. HAARP--the kind angels will never 
strum. HAARP--the futuristic nightmare project which is currently in 
operation, researching a wide variety of effects and phenomena, as 
well as possible uses and applications for such, resulting from 
beaming massively powerful radio signals into targeted regions of 
the ionosphere; a project which has given environmental activists, 
constitutionalists, airline pilots along with ionospheric physicists 
and other groups, such as normal, ordinary people definite cause for 
some serious concern. 
Contrary to information made public by 
the operators of HAARP, it is no longer a relatively small, 
preliminary venture limited to one (nevertheless extremely powerful) 
transmitter site in the remote Alaskan back country. 

Contrary to much of the official noise 
being generated regarding the supposed "benign" uses for 
this multi agenda’d operation, the internal 
intelligence/military documentation and a growing amount of 
supporting material shows that HAARP is in fact at this point 
fulfilling some highly secret and highly advanced functions; in 
fact, some very negative and completely objectionable functions. 

The acknowledged, publicized applications 
for potential applications of HAARP technology are primarily: 


Enhancement of or interference with 
communications, as well as development of new types of radio 
transmissions; 
“Investigation” of 
effects on weather patterns; 
Earth-penetrating tomography -- an 
X-ray like function which can reveal, for example, the existence 
of underground installations as well as oil or mineral deposits. 

Some of the other principal yet 
unpublicized goals are: 

Weapons-related 
(physical/psychological disablement) and mind control uses; 

Large scale tampering/modification 
of global weather patterns via ionospheric disturbances 
“Pushing the envelope" in terms of pumping 
electromagnetic energy into the ionosphere, just to see what 
happens. 
It bears emphasizing here that any such 
references to HAARP being used for EM mind control come directly 
from numerous internal documents and repeated references therein to 
HAARP's capabilities as electromagnetic mind 
modification/manipulation technology and intentions to so implement 
HAARP. 
There are yet further agendas for HAARP 
even more covert than these, as this report will discuss. 

 
HAARP ON LONG ISLAND! 

Some very interesting information about 
HAARP has recently come light. To provide a background for some of 
this information, we go back to early last summer when Brookhaven 
National Laboratories on Long Island underwent a significant and far 
reaching change of directorship, and subsequently a change of 
direction and focus. The changes at Brookhaven, one of the first 
 

[CTRL] Montauk Air Force Station - Active or Not? by John Quinn

[Anonymous]

Montauk Air 
Force StationActive 
or Not?
by John A. 
QuinnAll material copyright 
© 1997 John A. Quinn NewsHawk INC
Posted with Author's 
Permission
 


Index 

Introduction 
No 
picknicks at Camo Hero State Park 
Strange 
science fact 
Pandora's 
box 
Paradoxes 
abound 
Supporting 
information 
Turtle 
Cove 
The 
pharaos of Montauk 
Systematic 
desruction of a tribe 
(Secret)(World) Government 
involvement 
Obviously 
"Top-Secret" 
Illegal 
funding 
Particle 
Beam technology 
Digging 
for the truth 
A personal 
perspective 


 
INTRODUCTION   

I've 
conducted a two year investigation into allegations regarding 
ultra-top-secret experiments carried out by clandestine units of 
both U.S. and "world" government intelligence and military 
agencies, corporations such as Airborne Instrument Laboratories, 
Siemens/ITT, as well as certain divisions of Brookhaven National 
Laboratories and other groups -- from the 1950s up to present times 
-- at a fully verified and documented subterranean facility beneath 
the purportedly abandoned and derelict Montauk Air Force Station. 
Certain of these activities are by all indications currently 
ongoing. The radar station is at the extreme eastern tip of Long 
Island, N.Y.'s south fork.
The remnants of the surface military 
installation are indeed in severe disrepair, but the underground 
continues to be active. Ludicrously enough, the surface of the land 
is now a N.Y. State Park... on paper at least. However by terms of 
the deed, the Federal government still retains all rights to any and 
all property beneath the surface! Investigations reveal that several 
new, deeper levels have been added in the early 1990s. 

Fields of research conducted there are 
said to include principally electromagnetic mind control; also 
psychotronics (interfacing mind & machine), particle beams 
technology and interdimensional/"time travel" experiments 
("black-hole simulations and warping time-space). Very strong 
evidence indicates particle accelerators are in use there and at 
nearby facilities -- such as   Brookhaven Labs -- for 
powering the particle beam weapons, HAARP transmissions and exotic 
particle beam radar systems.
The continuing lack of any credible 
explanation for what caused the crash of TWA Flight 800 nearly a 
year and a half ago offshore from Westhampton has focused 
considerable attention on eastern Long Island as a place where 
unusual things happen unusually often. In fact, there are 
substantial indications that particle beam operations at Brookhaven 
Labs the night of July 17 1996 were in fact (at least) partially 
responsible for the disaster, and this is delved into in more depth 
within the report.
I've put together the report based on 
personal interviews with project participants, on-site 
investigations at Montauk Air Force Station (Camp Hero), and 
extensive historical and background research. This report verifies 
without doubt current clandestine activities at the underground 
installation, as well as other locations mentioned; it includes 
corroborative testimony from area residents and visitors who have 
very recently had frightening encounters at this location with 
mysterious, threatening unidentified security personnel toting 
automatic weapons.
In the past year mainstream newspapers in 
Montauk and East Hampton such as the Montauk Pioneer and The East 
Hampton Independent have carried several articles about various 
aspects of the "Montauk Project". For many in the area it 
is (unfortunately) becoming an accepted part of life there, as it 
has for others who have found the preponderance of solid evidence

[CTRL] The Southern Party

[Anonymous]

 -Caveat Lector-

> From:Chuck Baldwin Live
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 2:47 AM
> The Secessionist Movement is Back
>
> June 23, 1999
>
> With the mood of the nation swiftly moving toward third party fever a party
> favoring secession is growing. It is called The Southern Party
> (http://www.southernparty.com) and its goal is to elect enough congressmen
> to vote independence for the South. Proponents of the Southern Party state
> categorically that their efforts are in no way being prompted by racial
> prejudice. They further believe that they can accomplish the goal of
> Southern Independence without violence or bloodshed. According to their web
> site they are already officially recognized with the Secretary of State's
> offices of each of the 16 Southern States. They state the motivation for
> Southern Nationalism as follows:
>
> "Disillusioned by the precipitous decline of public virtue and morality
> reflected by the acquittal of President Clinton; dismayed by the regression
> of our once truly federal republic into an increasing consolidated,
> unaccountable and centralized state; disenchanted with a corrupt two-party
> system that fails to represent Southern interests in Washington; and
> thoroughly fed up with the now perpetual campaign of cultural bigotry and
> oppression being waged against Southerners by the Washington and Hollywood
> elites; patriotic citizens from across Dixie formed an exploratory
> committee to evaluate the feasibility of establishing a nationalist party
> of the South. By January of 1999, the Southern Party Exploratory Committee
> determined that not only was such a party viable, but its establishment was
> something greatly to be desired. So, in February of 1999 the Southern
> National Committee was formed to oversee the building of a regional
> political party that would represent the Southern people with honour and
> integrity."
>
> My personal view of secession is that there is nothing in the US
> Constitution or in Natural Law to prohibit it. Since the states existed
> before the federal government and since the federal government derived its
> original charter and authority from the states it seems to me that each
> state is autonomous and independent and has the legal authority to unite or
> separate according to its own sovereign will. Obviously, this has been the
> subject of intense debate by legal scholars throughout our nation's
> history. Now, it appears that it will be again.
>
> Take a good, hard look at what is happening. First, there was Ross Perot
> and his Reform Party. Even with an insincere, disorganized campaign it
> managed to garner some 20% of the vote on its maiden voyage into a national
> election. Then, the state of Minnesota elected everybody's outsider and
> third party, independent candidate, Jesse Ventura as Governor. The
> Libertarian and US Taxpayers Party are both growing rapidly. Senator Bob
> Smith and Pat Buchanan are talking openly of running for president as third
> party candidates. Now we learn about the creation of the Southern Party.
>
> All of this reveals widespread feelings of disgust and distrust that more
> and more Americans obviously have with the two major parties. Both the
> Democrat and Republican parties seem totally unresponsive and out of touch
> with grassroots people. It appears that both parties have been thoroughly
> corrupted by big money, international interests.
>
> Americans have had enough. They want a party that honors national
> sovereignty! They want a party that isn't ashamed of America's traditional
> values and principles. They want a party that believes in God. They want a
> party that supports the family. They want a party that isn't trying to tax
> them into the poor house. They want a party that cares more about unborn
> babies than spotted owls. They want a party that respects common decency.
> They want a party that they can trust. Who can blame them?
>
> What will happen between now and the 2000 elections is anyone's guess. The
> only thing I'm sure of is this: it definitely will not be business as
> usual. The politicians in Washington won't change it, but the people of
> America are about to.
>
> NOTE:
>
>
> Chuck's editorials are published weekdays on Gulf1.com and are sent via
> email to anyone who requests them. Newspapers also carry his editorials.
> Visit Chuck's web site at http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com for more
> information.
>
>
>
>

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[CTRL] Re:______[CTRL]_ÊTEXAS_BEST_SEMINARS_-_SECRET_SOCIETIES

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Question about GWBush is: is he a CFR Globalist as well as S&B?

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[CTRL] Red China and Oil

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http://www.china.org.cn/ChinaInBrief/17e5405p.html

CHINA'S PETROLEUM INDUSTRY:
A Summary of China's Oil and Gas Industry


Excerpts:

 "By the end of the year 2000, the petrochemical industry
will have become China's key industry.
 "China's annual output of crude oil is expected to reach 200
million tons by 2010, one-third more than at present.  If these
estimates are met, China will become the fifth largest oil
producing country in the world.
 "China has no need to import large amounts of FOREIGN
oil because the nation is rich in oil resources ...

 "Since the 1980s, China's offshore petroleum industry has
made great strides through cooperation with transnational
corporations such as the French company, TOTAL, and the American
corporation, the Atlantic Richfield Company (ARCO) ...

 "Between January and August of 1996, China signed 12
contracts with foreign companies to explore and develop China's
land oil resources.  This brought to 30 the total of such
contracts signed since 1985, when China's land petroleum industry
first opened to the outside world.
 "Foreign investment capital [for land oil development]
totals nearly US $ 1 billion.

 "In 1983, China Petro-Chemical Corporation (SINOPEC) was
founded to hasten development of the petrochemical industry and
to assure the best use of China's oil and gas resources.
 "Between 1983 and 1995, its total assets increased TENFOLD,
making it the world's third largest petroleum corporation.

 "Due to shrinking land oil reserves and slow increases in
output from old land oil fields, China's offshore petroleum
industry is being rapidly developed.
 "Offshore oil production accounts for 81 per cent of China's
yearly increase in crude oil production ...  Thus, the offshore
petroleum industry is becoming increasingly important to China's
national economy.
 "The offshore petroleum industry has developed rapidly since
1982.  Between 1982 and 1996, its annual output of offshore crude
oil increased from 80,000 tons to 18 million tons.
 "China's 13 offshore oil and gas fields have profit margins
of 40 percent. By the year 2000, [China] expects to have paid off
its [investment] debt of 400 million US dollars ...
 "Foreign investments of US $5 billion account for 58 percent
of China's capital for offshore development.

 "China is drilling offshore in the East China Sea, expecting
to find rich oil reserves.  The East China Sea Company, a state
subsidiary, is cooperating with American corporations to conduct
the drilling ...

 "Extracting offshore oil and gas is an expensive, high-risk
operation that applies advanced science and technology.
 "The offshore petroleum industry was China's first industry
to open to the outside world.
 "External cooperation began in 1982 ...
 "After 1992, it hastened opening to the outside world and
has signed 27 oil contracts with 32 foreign companies and
acquired US $740 million in foreign capital.

 "China has gone through three stages: from being simply a
source of raw materials, to being a PARTNER with large western
petroleum corporations, to finally becoming an international
COMPETITOR dependent solely upon its own expertise.

 "In 1994, China bought all shares of oil owned by Atlantic
Richfield (ARCO) in the Malacca area of Indonesia, thereby
becoming its largest shareholder.  This is the first OVERSEAS oil
site owned by China, the largest and most profitable in China's
petroleum industry.

 "China's petroleum department is currently exploring and
developing oil and gas fields in Peru, Thailand, Sudan, and
elsewhere. It has also become involved in bidding projects, one
being the development of a large oil field in Kazakstan.
 "China and Russia plan to jointly develop a gas pipeline
from eastern Siberia to China.
 "China hopes to cooperate with Gulf States that are rich in
oil.  The Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, and Kuwait ministers of
petroleum or resources have all visited China to discuss oil
investments.  Saudi Arabia plans to build an oil refinery
joint venture in Shandong Province.
 "China is negotiating a contract with Iraq to develop an oil
field that wil l output 5 million tons annually.
 "China has signed a contract with Kuwait to produce US $400
million worth of oil equipment.  Chinese oil companies are
seeking joint cooperation in drilling other oil fields in the
United Arab Emirates and other Gulf States."



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[CTRL] Russians Blamed for Serb Atrocities

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KLA Says Russians Fought for Serbs

By ROBERT BURNS
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Russians fought in Kosovo alongside Serb forces, and their
role will be part of an international war crimes investigation, the
Pentagon's spokesman said Tuesday.

``We certainly know that Russians participated. Russian volunteers,
mercenaries, we believe, did participate with paramilitary and other Serb
forces,'' Kenneth Bacon said. He had been asked to comment on a report in
Newsday that dozens of Russian volunteers had participated in the killing of
hundreds of ethnic Albanians and the destruction of towns and villages around
Prizren in southern Kosovo.

``I do not have verification that there were units or groups of the size that
Newsday reports,'' Bacon added. ``But we do believe that there was some
Russian participation.''

The Pentagon also announced that 12 Air Force B-52 bombers are expected to
begin returning to their U.S. bases on Wednesday from England, where they
flew strike missions against Yugoslavia throughout NATO's bombing campaign.
In all, nearly 400 U.S. planes will return to normal duty in coming weeks,
Bacon said.

The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, whose F/A-18 and F-14 warplanes
participated in the NATO air campaign, will leave the Mediterranean and take
up station in the Persian Gulf in July, Navy officials said, speaking on
condition of anonymity. The USS Kitty Hawk and its battle group, currently in
the Gulf, will then leave and return to its home station in Yokosuka, Japan
in early September - filling a carrier gap in the western Pacific that has
existed since early April. In the meantime, the USS Constellation has left
the West Coast and will eventually replace the Roosevelt in the Gulf in
September.

The matter of Russia's role in Kosovo is sensitive. NATO has arranged for
3,600 Russian troops to join KFOR, the Kosovo Force of peacekeepers,
including in the southern sector commanded by German forces. Russians have
cultural ties to the Serbs, and Moscow strongly opposed NATO's bombing of
Yugoslavia.

``When the Russian forces arrive as part of KFOR, we expect them to be
totally fair and professional in their dealings with both Serbs and Kosovar
Albanians, as they have been in Bosnia and where they have been very stalwart
and successful members of the peacekeeping force,'' Bacon said. ``I
anticipate that the Russian troops coming to Kosovo will be exactly the
same.''

Bacon said the Kosovo Liberation Army, the guerrilla band that fought against
the Serb forces in pursuit of independence for the Serb province, had told
NATO authorities during the 78-days of NATO bombing that Russians were
involved and that a number of Russians had been killed.

The Newsday report, citing ethnic Albanian and Serb security sources, cited
several example of Russian involvement in atrocities against ethnic
Albanians. It said a group of about 60 Russians was ordered out of Kosovo
just last week by German soldiers. The Russian volunteers were military men
either retired or not in active service, the newspaper reported, and their
commander was an army colonel.

Newsday reported that the Russians were organized as a single unit and
operated under the aegis of the Special Purpose Police of the Federal
Ministry of the Interior in Belgrade. Bacon said the Pentagon had no
independent confirmation of this or other details of the Russian involvement
in Kosovo.

``I don't think we have firm evidence on the numbers of Russian troops or
where they operated. These are facts that may come out later, but we didn't
have very detailed evidence that there were Russian mercenaries involved,''
Bacon said, adding that the main source of this information was the KLA.

``Our impression is that they were mercenaries, but this is something that
I'm sure will be looked into by war crimes investigators, who are now going
into Kosovo in considerable numbers to try to figure out what happened and
who was responsible for it.''

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[CTRL] Feds Propose New "Dept. of Nuclear Weapons"

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Richardson Fights Restructuring

By H. JOSEF HEBERT
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - Energy Secretary Bill Richardson conceded on Tuesday that
``more needs to be done'' to protect U.S. nuclear secrets, and Republican
senators pushed anew to overhaul security at the nation's weapons labs.

Appearing with Richardson on Capitol Hill, the head of an intelligence
advisory group that issued a critical report on nuclear security said that
unclassified computer systems at weapons labs continue to be accessible from
the outside.

Asked whether nuclear secrecy was assured, Warren Rudman, chairman of the
president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, said, ``I don't think it's
safe now. I don't think the secretary does.''

Rudman and Richardson spoke at a House Commerce Committee hearing. At a joint
hearing of four Senate committees earlier in the day, they sparred over
restructuring the Energy Department.

Richardson said that a ``firewall'' had been established to prevent people
from accessing computer systems at the weapons labs except for the labs'
widely accessible web sites.

``I don't take any confidence in that statement,'' said Rudman. ``These
firewalls are penetrated all the time.''

Richardson conceded: ``The firewalls have been set up. Are they perfect?
No.''

But he emphasized that this applies to unclassified computer systems used by
scientists at the labs. A separate classified computer network contains the
top-secret weapons data and additional measures have been taken in recent
months to safeguard against transfers between the two systems, he said.

Last March, investigators at the Los Alamos weapons lab near Santa Fe, N.M.
discovered that a scientist, who had been under suspicion of possible
espionage, had transfers thousands of files of top-secret material from the
classified system to his personal office computer in the mid 1990s. It has
never been determined whether any of that information left the lab.

Meanwhile, momentum was growing in the Senate for a radical restructuring of
the Energy Department that would insulate its nuclear weapons programs under
a largely autonomous agency.

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said the nuclear weapons program ``needs to be
rescued'' from the vast bureaucracy of the Energy Department to ensure
nuclear secrets are safe.

Richardson disagreed and said it would be a mistake to create ``a
bureaucratic Berlin wall'' that would weaken future energy secretaries and -
in his view - reduce security instead of strengthening it.

Nevertheless, Sen. Frank Murkowski, R-Alaska, said a proposal to create a
nuclear security agency within the department likely would be offered on the
Senate floor this week. Some Democrats predicted privately that it had a good
chance of passing.

Prospects in the House are less certain.

Rep. Thomas Bliley, R-Va., chairman of the Commerce Committee, and Rep. John
Dingell of Michigan, the panel's ranking Democrat, expressed concern that
such an agency would weaken attempts to ensure health and safety and other
oversight of the weapons labs and the department's other weapons programs.

It's a concern Richardson also raised repeatedly in testimony before both the
Senate and House panels. ``Fencing off the weapons complex I don't believe is
the answer,'' Richardson argued.

He said he accepted 90 percent of the Rudman panel's recommendations and
would support some reshuffling of nuclear programs under a new undersecretary
of energy, giving the program increased importance. ``More needs to be
done,'' he said. But Richardson said that creating a new, powerful nuclear
agency within the department was abhorrent to him.

But supporters of an Energy Department overhaul pointed to the Rudman panel's
key recommendation after its 90-day review of nuclear weapons security - a
review ordered by President Clinton. It called for creation of a
semiautonomous agency to control weapons programs.

Rudman said the Energy Department ``is badly broken'' and warned against
taking ``half measures'' that the bureaucracy could ignore under a
less-aggressive energy secretary. An insulated agency for weapons programs is
essential, Rudman insisted. ``We don't think anything else will work,'' he
said.

Some restructuring appeared to be increasingly inevitable as both Republicans
and Democrats in Congress searched for answers to concern about the loss of
nuclear secrets because of 20 years of inadequate attention to security and
counterespionage at the weapons labs.

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[CTRL] Balkan "Economic Reconstruction"

[Anonymous]

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 Why Kosovo?  Follow the money:
 ``We believe there is an enormous opportunity now for economic
redevelopment in this region, and American companies want to play a strong
role,'' said David L. Aaron, US undersecretary of commerce.


US To Post Representative in Greece

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - The United States will post a special commercial
representative in Greece to promote American exports during the
reconstruction of the Balkans, a U.S. official said Tuesday.

``We believe there is an enormous opportunity now for reconstruction and
economic development in this region, and American companies want to play a
strong role,'' said David L. Aaron, undersecretary of commerce for
international trade.

But an aggressive American effort to cash in on Balkan projects could touch
off renewed tension in Greece, where public sentiment was strongly against
the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Anti-American protests occurred almost daily
during the NATO campaign.

Greek firms, including the state telecommunications giant OTE, are hoping for
a substantial share of the reconstruction plans and could complain if muscled
out by U.S. rivals.

Aaron, however, said American companies seek partnerships with firms in
Greece, which he called the ``gateway'' to the region.

U.S. officials did not give immediate details on the planned role of the
commercial envoy in the northern port of Salonica, where the United States
has a consulate.

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