date:20000420


This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was
abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our
study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research.

Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get
used to it.

Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list.
Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your
superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish
something here. You're in the way.

There are two possible explanations for you prattling on about off topic
subjects, one after another. (1.) You're exceedingly rude, or (2.)
somebody pays you to disrupt conspiracy research.  Either way, we're
better off without you. Besides, there are plenty of places on the web
that exist specifically for  people like you and the flat earthers an the
rest of your ilk to feel at home in. Go there. Reinforce each other's
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[CTRL] [NewsBurst] Gore Would Ban Guns in Places of Worship

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Subject: [NewsBurst] Gore Would Ban Guns in Places of Worship
Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 2:41 PM

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17815-2000Apr14.html

Gore Would Ban Guns in Places of Worship

Associated Press
Saturday, April 15, 2000; Page A06

SAN JOSE, April 14  Vice President Gore called for a ban on guns in
churches and other places of worship today, taking a poke at Republican
rival George W. Bush's Texas version of the idea.

Gore was expanding his proposals on gun control, a hot election-year issue
in California. In a speech here, he announced support for legislation
banning firearms in churches, synagogues and mosques, as well as places
where school events are held.

"I don't think we ought to have guns brought into places of worship," Gore
said at a fund-raiser this afternoon, previewing his announcement. "It is
time to take further steps to deal with the flood of cheap, available
handguns . . . and get these guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't
have them."

Gore, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, noted that Bush
signed a law in 1995 that allows Texans to carry concealed weapons with a
permit. While that law banned guns from churches and synagogues, in 1997
Bush signed another law that said houses of worship would have to post
signs or hand out cards alerting visitors if the gun rule was to be enforced.

Gore contended that Bush is under the control of the National Rifle
Association, pointing to a law Bush signed that prohibits Texas cities and
counties from suing gunmakers. "He has passed virtually everything that the
NRA has asked him to pass," Gore said.

Gore said he has always believed in the right of hunters to carry weapons.
"But America cannot afford another Columbine, or another Paducah, or
another Jonesboro," he said.

The Bush camp responded that Gore is using the issue for political
advantage and that Tennessee passed a law in 1994 allowing residents to
carry guns, including into churches. "Why didn't he speak out when a
concealed-carry law was passed in his home state of Tennessee, where
residents can also carry guns in churches?" Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said.

Also today, Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and Sen.
Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) said they will introduce a nonbinding
resolution stating that guns do not belong in schools and places of
worship. They said it is now legal in at least 22 states for people to
carry concealed weapons in churches, synagogues and mosques.

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Re: [CTRL] Easter Cancelled This Year!








  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of blue honey
  
  Yes humor, I'm sorry that it is something that you have 
  to "remember". I thought it was funny (I still do), I think that you 
  taking it so personal is humorous too...There are a lot of "comedies" on 
  television that I don'tthink are funny...should I write the a letter and 
  tell them that I don't find their shows funny? Or have I missed 
  something?
  
  
  When you say "...have I missed something?"...maybe you 
  have. Maybe it went right over your head.
  
  
  I'M NOT TAKING IT PERSONAL.OK. 
  OK!!
  
  Christ, You try to respond in an intelligent way to a 
  poster and this is what you get! For your information ALL TV comedies are 
  really funny, particularly the American and Australian ones. In fact, I've had 
  to stop watching them on orders from my doctor, as he is very worried that if 
  I continue, my sides are very likely to split.
  
  An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a 
  bar, the barman looks up and says " Is this some kind of a 
  joke?"
  
  Silas
  
  
  

  



  
  Oh, HUMOUR! I remember that, but I'm 
  sure that is not how it goes, isn't humour supposed to be funny? Or 
  have I missed something?
  
  Silas

Re: [CTRL] Will Gun Control Lead to Civil War?


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 Will Gun Control Lead to Civil War?
 by Michael E. Cook
 http://www.sierratimes.com/edmc041900.htm

 I have always said what I think and try not to offend too many
 people.

Seems to me that you are a dangerous lunatic, the very sort of person that
should be let nowhere near a firearm, and if, as you seem to believe, all
other gun owners share your views, then we may as well give up.

Silas


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: this Magic = SLAVERY!

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 This means that all answers are already given
 that we need to think and format the questions and queries
 That to put all knowledge on a computer will do no good
 unless you know what questions to ask of it!

 Communist want to control - since they do not know what
 will be of value to capitalize on they will just try
 to take everything.

Thank you Mr McCarthy NEXT!

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[CTRL] The Disney Bloodline -The skill of lying, the art of deceit


THE SKILL

OF

LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT

The Disney Bloodline
http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/disney_bloodline.htm


The Illuminati have refined the art of deception far beyond what the common
man has imagined. The very life  liberty of humanity requires the unmasking
of their deceptions. That is what this book is about. Honesty is a necessary
ingredient for any society to function successfully. Deception has become a
national pastime, starting with our business and political leaders and
cascading down to the grass roots. The deceptions of the Illuminati's
mind-control may be hidden, but in their wake they are leaving tidal waves
of distrust that are destroying America. While the CIA pretend to have our
nations best interest at heart, anyone who has seriously studied the
consequences of deception on a society will tell you that deception will
seriously damage any society until it collapses. Lies seriously damage a
community, because trust and honesty are essential to communication and
productivity. Trust in some form is a foundation upon which humans build
relationships. When trust is shattered human institutions collapse. If a
person distrusts the words of another person, he will have difficulty also
trusting that the person will treat him fairly, have his best interests at
heart, and refrain from harming him. With such fears, an atmosphere of death
is created that will eventually work to destroy or wear down the cooperation
that people need. The millions of victims of total mind-control are stripped
of all trust, and they quietly spread their fears and distrust on a
subconscious level throughout society. One problem about lies is that one
lie will call for another and then another. It's hard to keep lies single.
They seem to want to breed more of their kind to protect themselves. Soon
the liar becomes a victim of his own lies, trapped in a dishonest web that
demands lots of energy to protect his false fronts. This is the sad fate
that the intelligence agencies have painted themselves into. They must
maintain groups that oversee their double-agents' lies to insure that the
lies that they have disseminated don't contradict themselves. Finally, they
have put out so much disinformation, they lose track of reality themselves.
Far from saving this nation, the intelligence agencies have spread the
cancer of deception into all walks of life, so that this cancer is
contaminating and killing anything of value in the United States. The
soon-to-come death of this nation's sovereignty, as well as the destruction
of this nation's morals are the results of this cancer. People who have
attended high level Illuminati meetings were instructed in how the
Illuminati plan to bring in the NWO AntiChrist reign by making everything
appear as if it has happened naturally. The Illuminati have decided to
camouflage their actions with the creation of normalcy to avert any
suspicions. An example of something which appears to have happened naturally
is the O.J. Simpson case, which was planned based on previous murder
scenarios which had been successfully covered up. O.J. Simpson was a CIA
mind-controlled slave, and the entire Simpson case was concocted as an
elaborate effort to cause racial tensions. The Mishpucka, the CIA, the Mob
and the Illuminati have all had their dirty hands involved in the entire
affair. The entire affair reeks of manipulation and planning. It is not the
goal of this paragraph to go into the case, but just to drop a couple
details. Joey Ippolito, Jr. is both CIA  Mob. Ippolito at one time lived in
Hallendale, FL, a mob housing subdivision which was protected by a police
force run by the mob. He has helped run drugs and wet ops for "the
Combination" which interconnects with the Illuminati. O.J. Simpson's friend
Cowlings worked for Joey Ippolito, as well as O.J. Simpson. Simpson
distributed cocaine for Joey Ippolito  the Combination. Simpson's lawyer
also is tied to the Illuminati, the CIA, and the mob. One of his lawyers on
TV said the trial reeked of government corruption. Nicole Simpson lived next
 door to Carl Colby (former CIA director Bill Colbys son). Colby's wife and
kids have been subjected to mind-control. Colby's wife testified in O.J.
Simpson's trial, but was addressed as "Miss Boe" rather than by her name.
O.J. Simpson's mother worked for a California State Mental Hospital in San
Francisco for 30 years. Many State Mental Hospital workers have children who
have been programmed. When one of the jurors in Simpson's case, Tracy
Hampton, had her mind-control programming go haywire, she began staring for
long periods at a blank TV and hearing voices. She had to be dismissed.
During the Simpson trial, Judge Ito gave Joe McGinniss the best front-row
seat that a journalist could have. Joe McGinniss was the coverup author who
wrote a book covering up about the McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case.

The McDonald-Fort Bragg Drug Smuggling Case involved the Illuminati drug
smuggling operation within

Re: [CTRL] ELIAN'S CASE - RENO SLAPPED DOWN

2000-04-20 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


  RENO SLAPPED DOWN

  11TH CIRCUIT RULES SHE VIOLATED "RULE OF LAW" IN ELIAN'S CASE

I've read the text of the ruling, and nowhere does it mention Janet Reno or the 
Justice Department.  It only mentions the INS...is
Reno also in charge of the INS?


June

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[CTRL] Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula - F Springmeier C Wheeler


Back to Illuminati News

 http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/insights_table1.htm

Online book



Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula
by

Fritz Springmeier  Cisco Wheeler





Part 1

How the Control Comes about

by Fritz Springmeier

*

Part 2

How help comes about

by Cisco Wheeler







Table of Contents

Pyramid of Satan (This page is not included in the contents of the REAL
book. I put up a link here as it will be easier to find in this Internet
version Editor's note)

Important Explanation of the Contents

Dedication

Physical features of the skull  the face  the personality  i

Basic structure of Satanic Control over Gnostic Religions   ii

Memorandum for: Director of Central Intelligence  ...  iii





Introduction ...



PART 1. DEEPER INSIGHTS into the 12 SCIENCES OF MONARCH MIND-CONTROL

I. Deeper Insights on the SELECTION  PREPARATION OF THE VICTIM
.. 7

A. Who wants zombies?

. 7  (Click on page number to enter sub-headings directly)

B. Selecting for Bloodlines, Genetics, Hypnotic  Dissociative traits
. 7-13

C. Training the Unborn Child
 13

D.Vanishing Twin Syndrome

13-16

B. Selection  5 steps for programming Adults from scratch
 16

*

II. Deeper Insights on the TRAUMATIZATION  TORTURE OF THE VICTIM
... 19

A. Some of the Abusers using Day-to-day Trauma  Torture techniques

B. What the Programmers look for during torture

F. 6 Specific Tortures

*

III. Deeper Insights about the USE OF DRUGS
.. 25

A. Classifying mind-drugs .. 25

B. Administering drugs for programming
. 25

C. More programming drugs  27

D. How drugs are used to program
. 27-30

E. How LSD is used for programming . 30

F. Chemically triggering Instincts
.. 35

G. Adrenalchrome ... 36

*

IV. Deeper Insights about the USE OF HYPNOSIS
... 37

A. Historical use  basics of Hypnosis

 37-38

B. The Power of Hypnosis  38

C. Hypnotic Aids  41

D. Early Hypnotic Training ... 42

B. Deep Trance Work ... 46

F. Lights  Color Programming .. 46

G. Hypnotic triggers, codes  cues
 51

*

V. Deeper Insights on the SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT
... 65

A. The Impact of Deceit ... 65-66

B. The Methods of Deceit . 66

C. The Great Disney Deception
. 70

*

VI. Deeper Insights on the USE OF ELECTRICITY  ELECTRONICS
 137

A. An overview ...137

B. Tesla waves used to read minds  implant voices
 175

C. ELF wave mind-control capabilities
.. 178

D. Body suits for implanting thoughts
... 147, 164

E. Specific types of implants: Audio implants, Body Manipulation implants,
Visual/holographic implants, Memex/Brain Link implants, Torture/Nerve 
Muscle Stimulation implants

... 159 - 172

F. Placing thoughts directing into the human mind
. 174, 176

*

VII. Deeper Insights on STRUCTURING OF AN MPD SYSTEM
.. 187

A. Structuring of MPD worlds

. 187

B. How the Mind is in Parts

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Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula
by

Fritz Springmeier  Cisco Wheeler


CHAPTER 6

SCIENCE NO. 6-

THE USE OF ELECTRONICS 

ELECTRICITY

Developments in fiberoptics, computers, electronic communications,
nano-technology, bio-chips  neuro-electrical research have combined to
bring mankind to the point where mankind can be controlled by one
centralized monolithic Beast computer. The ultimate mind-controlled slavery
is now possible. We are in the first stages of its implementation.

The chapter will be organized in the following sections  subsections:



Section A. An Overview of the subject.

A1. Where this article is headed

A2. Where the NWO is headed



Section B. An intro to implants

B1. Three typical implant victims

B2. Documentation of implants

B3. GWEN Towers

B4. Body suits



Section C. Specific Implants

C1. Audio implants (a. public. b. secret)

C2. Body manipulation implants

C3. Visual holographic implants

C4. Memex/Brain Link implants



C5. Torture/Nerve  Muscle Stimulation Implants

C6. Tracking  LD. Implants.



Section D. Direct monitoring  manipulation of the brain/mind

D1. Direct monitoring

D2. Direct manipulation



Section E. Auxiliary uses of electronics  electromagnetic waves.

E1. hypnotic induction

E2. polygraphs

E3. attacks against people  objects

E4. virtual reality



A1. Where this article is headed

This chapter is designed to cover the complexities of hi-tech mind-control
in simple-to-understand language. To accommodate those who are more
technically literate and who want more, some clues to more technical sources
are given, but time  space limitations mean that much has gone unsaid. My
deep thanks to the many victims, who placed their trust in me to get their
stories out to the world. I hope that I have vindicated their trust. There
are a number of disinformation agents that appear to be putting out good
information on implants, but are actually disinformation agents. We can
error by undershooting or overshooting the truth. The principle topics that
these pretend "whistle blowers" have been discussing are the tracking
implants and remote viewing. (For RV info, see Theta Programming material in
Vol. 2.) Neither topic is any revelation, nor are they the most dangerous
items in the elites electronic mind-control arsenal. If the reader has not
skipped chapter 5 on disinformation, then he will be aware how factual
information can be used in disception, such as in chicken feed  building
bona fides. Why is it that the TV program "The Real X-Files" shown on
channel 4 was created by a CIA operative, Jim Schnabel? And why are all the
"private" Remote Viewing organizations run by what appear to be entirely all
intelligence operatives (such as Ed Dames, et. al.)? And why do we see
mind-control specialists, like "ex"-Intelligence officer C.B. Scott Jones
who gets involved with several UFO research organizations  disseminating
disinformation? One "researcher", who is publicly exposing" the NWO, tried
to convince this author, "The government has no secrets." (A word-for-word
quote by the way.) He needs to read a supplement to the National Industry
Security Pro grain manual (Mar. 92 release) where the Air Force teaches
their DoD contractors how to construct cover stories to lie about the nature
of their work for the

Page 138 ...

government. I will not take cheap shots at the World Order,  I will not
intentionally mislead the reader. You will get the whole truth and nothing
but the truth, as well a single chapter can present it. Vol. 2s chapter 6
which was on this same subject was not the final word and neither is this
chapter. Before I start passing on lots of information, I should clarify one
point. Human brain cells communicate by superconductivity, not electricity.
Electricity travels near the speed of light, while superconductivity is in
the range of the speed of sound. Government researchers have a device called
a SQUID (Superconducting Quantum Interference Device) which actually
monitors the light flowing from brain cell to brain cell. This is why over
5% of the brains dry matter weight is iridium and rhodium. However, this
does not subtract from the fact that electromagnetic waves have the ability
to change what the brain experiences and thinks. I must also provide a small
glossary for electronic mind-control terms that most people are not familiar
with.



GLOSSARY OF TERMS FOR UNDERSTANDING ELECTRONIC MIND CONTROL

Bio-medical telemetry--Transmitter-receivers that are often located at the
base of the skull which record body functions  brain wave activity. Their
data is sent to remote computers for monitoring. A bio-medical telemetry
implant may also function as the primary control implant on body suits of
implants. Early versions were used on astronauts.



EMF weapons--Electromagnetic Frequency weapons. These basically are machines
that can modulate and beam electromagnetic waves in such a fashion

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REFERENCE PAGE FOR UNDERSTANDING ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES  MIND-CONTROL

The best way for people to understand electromagnetic waves is to think of
the oceans waves. Some waves in the ocean are big, and some are small, size
is amplitude. Some beaches have waves that come quickly and some have waves
that come slowly, this is called the frequency that the waves comes.
Researcher figured out how they could change the amplitude or the frequency
of electromagnetic waves in a controlled way, and this is called amplitude
modulation or frequency modulation. Because all electromagnetic energy beams
travel the same speed 3 x 10¹º cm/sec, an energy beam with a short wave must
have many more of those short waves pass in a given time such as a day than
a long wave. The shorter the wave the greater the frequency that a wave will
arrive. While our image of an ocean is that it moves up and down in relation
to the surface. In other words, the ocean wave moves (vibrates) up and down
in relation to the surface (a mathematical plane). Electromagnetic waves
vibrate in 3 dimensions (relative to 3 planes), generally they are only
drawn as one-dimensional waves. Our brains operate on waves that are very
low frequency (from one cycle per second) to about 50 cycles per second. A
cycle per second is called a Hertz (Hz). Due to the wide range of different
amplitudes and frequencies it has been more practical to induce various
measuring units. It would be nice if all the measuring units could be done
in feet or meters or whatever, but the range in size from the very tiny to
the very large means that they use different measuring units. Just like you
use different measuring units to get a quart of milk and 3 gallons of gas.
The milk could be called a quarter-gallon but it isnt. In measuring
frequency they use the following measuring terms:

1,000,000 cycles per second = Megahertz (MHz)

1,000 cycles per second = Kilohertz (KHz)

1 cycle per second = Hertz (Hz)

In measuring amplitude they measure the length of the waves with kilometers,
meters, and centimeters. The very small waves are measured in angstroms,
microns, and nanometers. What is an angstrom. A nanometer is one billionth
of a meter. That is a very tiny fraction written as 1/1,000,000,000 of a
meter or for short an nanometer. A micron is one millionth (1/1,000,000) of
a meter. Ten nanometers are said to make up an angstrom. (In other words an
angstrom is 1 ten-billionth of a meter.)

After they measure radio frequencies, the waves of different lengths are
given other names. They could just say waves from 30,000 to 300,000 MHz",
but instead they shorten things by having a special name for these waves EHF
(Extremely High Frequency waves.)

This names are as follows:

Extremely High Frequency EHF

EHF 30,000 to 300,000 MHz

Superhigh Frequency SHF

SHF 3,000 to 30,000 MHz

Ultrahigh Frequency UHF

UHF 300 to 3,000 MHz

High Frequency VHF

VHF 30 to 300 MHz

Medium Frequency MF

MF 300 to 3,000 KI-Iz

Low Frequency LF

LF 30 to 300 KHz

Very Low Frequency VLF

VLF 3 to30KHz

Extremely Low Frequency ELF



ELF Below 3 KHz to 1 Hz or less



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BRAIN FREQUENCIES (FREKS) RELATE TO STATES OF ACTIVITY

The lower brain frequencies pertain to sleep and dream states. The middle
brain frequencies pertain to normal wakeful activity. The higher brain
frequencies pertain to aroused, or concerned or states of anxiety. No brain
waves means a person is "brain dead", even though some body functions may
continue. Naturally occurring phenomena, such as lightning in a
thunderstorms, sunny days that soak a person with extra positive ions, can
all affect the thinking of brain.



CHART GOING UP THE FREQUENCY SCALE

These frequency no.s are in Hertz which is cycles per sec. (However the
first part of the scale are non-linear, asymmetrical waves, which are
mistakingly called Hertzian by many people.)

1 Approx. beginning of brain waves

6.66 Theta brain waves

7.85 Alpha brain waves

15.7 Beta brain waves

30-30.56 Government VLF stations

32-33 Government VLF stations

34-42 Government VLF stations

50 Approx. Upper limit of brain wave frequencies

60 Produces an audible sound

62-254.1 CTCSS (Continuous Tone Coded Squelch Systems). These tones CTCSS
tones are broadcast continually interspersed on a frequency, which allows
several different users to broadcast separately on the same frequency and
only pick up the message that has their CTCSS tone. Post Office Tones are
82.5, 91.5, 97.4.  100.9. U.S. Customs  border patrol is 100 Hz. U.S.
Secret service is 103.5 Hz. EPA is 114.8. IRS  BATF is 123.0. Veterans
Affairs, GSA,  Dept. of Energy is 127.3. Fed. Aviation Admin.  U.S.
Marshall service is 136.5. Coast Guard Intell. is 141.3 Hz. Dept. of State 
Border Patrol is 151.4 Hz. Drug Enforcement Agency, Fed. Aviation Admin., 
Nat. Marine Fisheries is 156.7. Justice Dept., FBI is 167.9.

10² (10 x 10) Ultrasonic

10³ Lower range of true

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(Chapter 6 Page 2)

http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/insights_ch6-2.htm



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The encoders are called Keeloq hopping-code technology. They are good in
protecting micro-wave, ELF, infrared and radio-wave transmissions. Microchip
Corp. is creating a sub-company group called Secure Data Products to work
with this type of technology. In other words, the ALEX system reported on in
Vol. 2 is being miniaturized. Another Nanotechnology company is Nanosystems,
which is working with the Jansen Pharmaceutica N.y. unit of
Illuminati-controlled Johnson and Johnson. We know numerous companies like
the two mentioned above, who are working on Nanotechnology. We also know
that they are not going to tell us their trade secrets and what they have
really developed. For instance, this author had a hearty laugh when he read
The New York Times (11/19/96 pg. Cl) article "Feat of the minuscule:
scientists make abacus with carbon molecules: invention at Swiss research
laboratory may be a step toward building faster computers", because the
article is patently disinformation! According to the article a Dr. James M.
Gimzewski and colleagues discovered how to make tiny balls of 60
carbon-atoms each. They call these balls "Buckyballs". They can move these
balls via what they call a "scanning tunneling device". A picture of the
teeny-tiny 60-atom balls was shown in the article. So what did they do with
this ability? They built an abacus (yeah sure! Come on guys!). If the reader
understands computers--a computer at the most basic level is simply a base 2
number system. Anything that can consistently move or switch can be the
basis for a computer. A computer is simply an enormous amount of on-off
switches, where 0 can stand for off and 1 for on, etc. The article states,
"Scientists at Switzerland have invented an ultraminiature abacus in which
spherical carbon molecules sliding along the microscopic copper groves act
as the counting beads for performing arithmetic calculations." (So they are
using it for arithmetic, yeah sure!) IBM reported that its scientists used
the STM to move individual atoms so that they spelled "I-B-M" in atoms. If
you believe that the ability to arrange individual atoms and tailor-build
molecules was so that IBM scientists could spell IBM, then this book isnt
for you. A more recent NY Times article (2/2/97, p. E6) discusses how Xerox
Corporation has created sensors the thickness of peach fuzz. These are
called MEMS (micro-electomechanical systems). The article states, "MEMS are
all about doing more with less, about being lean, mean, and next to
invisible." The article is lean on facts. It does give a hint of the
incredible power these little gadgets have when the writer launches into his
propaganda tirade at the end of the article, "Paradoxically the fear that
accompanies the fantasy of nanotechnology is not that the culture will be as
stratified and fragmented as Victorian England, but that the new culture
will be one that is unrecognizable to everyone alive today." That is true,
this nano technology is taking us to the place that society will not be
recognizable. The age of the future is planned to be the age of
robots--humans if they are to survive are to be robotic slaves for the
illuminated elite. However, this is not paranoid fear as the NY Times writer
implies, but it is the unfortunate reality humanity faces. Some people
apparently are already experiencing it. One victim of mind-control, whose
father is Military Intelligence and whose family is part of the Illuminati,
claims that he has been subjected to tiny robots called nanobots. These
nanobots have been featured on TV, where they have been billed as an asset
for surgeons. Reportedly, these tiny robots can work off of 10-100 kilohertz
of beamed power. They have coil-shaped antennas, 2 little six-pointed
"wings" to attach and move themselves with. These tiny boron-carbon nanobots
have all kinds of purposes. One use is for multitudes of these Nanobots to
be placed into a single victims head, where they are programmed to migrate
to certain programmed positions where they can suppress

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the optical signals to the brain and replace these signals with their own
holographic images that can be externally transmitted to the nanobots or
preprogrammed in. They are trying or have succeeded, depending upon who is
talking about nanobots, in making self-replicating assemblers. In other
words, they have built miniature robots that build other robots. (Sounds
like something the Japanese would do.)

Nanobot researchers talk about how great it will be to have tiny robots that
are smaller than a red blood cell circulating in our blood removing fat,
bacteria, and viruses.

SOME SOURCES. Recent articles on nanotechnolgy include: Electronic Times
(12/7/95), Electronics Weekly (11/29/95), Electronic Engineering Times
(11/27/95), the L.A. Times (11/11/94, 12/21/94,

Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I believe there is sufficient evidence for Micro-evolution by the fossil record.  I 
even believe that some
forms of Macro-evolution may occur under proper circumstances, but that there is 
little if any evidence
from the fossil record for same.  Regardless of where you stand on this issue it must 
be acknowledged that
the scientific establishment is hide bound and recalcitrant when it comes to opposing 
viewpoints which call
into question their dogma, and evolution is perhaps the greatest dogma of all.  Even 
if all of evolution is
indeed true in the sense that it happened pretty much like scientists surmise, all of 
the anti-
evolutionists/Deists/Christians/Creationists, can still take heart because there is 
absolutely nothing
which I am aware of in the scientific literature which explains the rise of life from 
non-life, and in fact
it is accepted scientific fact (by the scientists themselves) that a-biogenisis 
cannot occur.  SO. . .that
means they still can't explain where life came from even if they can tell how it came 
to be so diverse.

There is a reason that the Theory of Evolution is still referred to as a THEORY   
;-)


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When a HAARP researcher pestered the Air Force for info, he was referred to
Kirk-land AFB, NM another site deeply involved in mind-control and black
projects. (Angels Dont Play This HAARP, p.63) Los Alamos Nat. Labs also is
involved with both mind-control  I-IAARP. Their Blackbeard Team is
connected to the Alexis Satellite, which may or may not be connected to the
ALEX system which this author has been warning about. Supposedly this is a
gamma ray re-search satellite, but this author doesnt know

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if this is the truth or a cover story. The Air Command  Staff Colleges
Airpower Journal lets the "cat out of the bag" so to speak when they reveal
that weapons like HAARP will be used against civilians. The military wants
to use weapons like HAARP to disorient peoples mental facilities. Newt
Gingerich wrote the forward to an official US Air Force book entitled
Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology which described how
electromagnetic weapons could be used to subjugate U.S. citizens who opposed
their government. Cpt. Paul Tyler wrote the chapter on electromagnetic and
psychotronic weapons. A paper trail does exist of the intentions to use
HAARP for mind-control by our government. For the sake of completeness, and
to provide the readers with a paper trail, Ill quote directly from this
official Air Force book from the part written by Cpt. Tyler, The potential
applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide-ranging and can
be used in many military or quasi-military situations... Some of these
potential uses include dealing with terrorist groups...crowd control,...and
anti-personnel techniques in tactical warfare. In all cases, the
electro-magnetic systems would be used to produce mild to severe
physiological disruption or perceptual distortion or disorientation. In
addition, the ability of individuals to function could be degraded to such a
point that they would be combat ineffective. Another advantage of
electromagnetic systems is that they provide coverage over large areas with
a single system [this is an obvious reference to HAARP] . . . . Recently,
pulsed electromagnetic fields have been reported to induce cellular
transcription related to reproduction of DNA Knowledge of mechanisms of
actions of Radio-Frequency Radiation (RFR) with living systems and the
assessment of pulsed RFR effects, will demonstrate the vulnerability of
humans to complex pulsed electromagnetic radiation fields... Experiments
with elec-troshock, RFR experiments and the increasing understanding of the
brain as an electrically-mediated-organ, suggest the serious probability
that impressed electromagnetic fields can be disruptive of purposeful
behavior and may be capable of directing and/or interrogating such
behavior." THERE YOU HAVE IT, a PAPER TRAIL that the MILITARY WANTS HAARPS
MIND-CONTROL capabilities. Dr. Abraham Liboff of Oakland Univ. has
demonstrated how low-energy circularly polarized electromagnetic waves can
change the brains ability to keep out certain ions, minerals, and
chemicals. HAARP can also be used with genetic manipulating ionized
radiation and chemicals to specifically control the mind. (See Chapter 8,
section 2 for a complete discussion of this.)

SUMMARY OF ELF WAVE MIND CONTROL CAPABILITIES

Naval Intelligence and other groups have conducted research into ELF waves
upon the human body and mind. Some of the many things that can be done to
the human body and mind with ELF waves include:

a. put a person to sleep

b. make a person tired or depressed c. create a feeling of fear in a person
d. create a zombie state

e. create a violent state

f. create a state of being sexually aggressive g. change cellular chemistry

h. change hormone levels

i. inhibit or enhance M(RNA) synthe-sis/processes

j. control the DNA transaction process

k. control biological spin and proton coupling constants in DNA, RNA  RNA
transferases.

But electronic control of the brain comes in many forms. Perhaps the
controllers only want to carry out mood shifts. ELF waves which will
penetrate walls, and even go through the earth will create mood shifts
according to how many cycles per minute they are sent at. Studies have
proven that the time for ELF waves to cause a shift in mood is between 6 to
10 seconds (not a long time).

ELF waves below 6 cycles per second cause subjects to become emotionally
upset and this rate may also disrupt bodily functions. At 8.2 cycles/sec.
the person gets an elevated high such as would be accomplished by a master
of meditation. 11 to 11.3 cycles per second cause the brain to become
agitated and to begin riotous behavior. ELF waves could be

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directed at a population to help incite riots. Research has been carried out
to determine how the brains sensory inputs are coded. It has been
determined that visual input is relayed and built into a series of changing
maps. The olfactory sense has thousands of specific codes to determine
smells, and combinations of these

[CTRL] For Tenorlove: The MYTH of EVOLUTION PLAIN TEXT

2000-04-20 Thread blue honey




The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS 
SPEAK!The size of this Conspiracy is enormous! Permeating all 
western thought from religion, philosophy, ethics, science, astronomy, 
sociology, and so forth!
Top-flight scientists have something to tell you about 
evolution. Such statements will never be found in the popular magazines, 
alongside gorgeous paintings of ape-man and Big Bangs and solemn pronouncements 
about millions of years for this rock and that fish. Instead they are generally 
reserved only for professional books and journals. 

Most scientists are working in very narrow fields; they do 
not see the overall picture, and assume, even though their field does not prove 
evolution, that perhaps other areas of science probably vindicate it. They are 
well-meaning men. The biologists and geneticists know their facts, and research 
does not prove evolution, but assume that geology does. The geologists know 
their field does not prove evolution, but hope that the biologists and 
geneticists have proven it. Those who do know the facts, fear to disclose them 
to the general public, lest they be fired. But they do write articles in their 
own professional journals and books, condemning evolutionary theory. 


Included below are a number of admissions by leading 
evolutionists of earlier decades, such as *Charles Darwin, *Austin Clark, or 
*Fred Hoyle. The truth is that evolutionists cannot make scientific facts fit 
the theory. 

An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not 
known to be a creationist. 

The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to 
confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, 
but purely the product of imagination.*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist]. 


It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies 
composed of a single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others 
derived. They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in 
their appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption.*Austin 
Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236. 

The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic 
matter is, at present, still an article of faith.*J.W.N. Sullivan, The 
Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95. 

Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We 
find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know 
virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life.*W. Kaempffert, The Greatest 
Mystery of All: The Secret of Life, New York Times. 

 The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to 
explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world. Sir John Ambrose 
Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 
[discoverer of the thermionic valve]. 

I think, however, that we must go further than this and 
admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is 
anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory 
that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it.*H. Lipson, A 
Physicist Looks at Evolution, Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. 


I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that 
his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the 
success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific 
integrity.*W.R. Thompson, Introduction to *Charles Darwins, Origin of the 
Species [Canadian scientist]. 

One of the determining forces of scientism was a 
fantastic accidental imagination which could explain every irregularity in the 
solar system without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without 
evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of 
fossils which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding 
experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might truly 
be said that it was knowledge falsely so called. *David C.C. Watson, The 
Great Brain Robbery (1976). 

The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical 
system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval 
astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a 
reality for evolutionary biologists.*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in 
Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist]. 

The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable 
evidence as to the evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional 
arguments for any group being the descendant of almost any other.J. Bonner, 
Book Review, American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240. 

It was because Darwinian theory broke mans link with God 
and set him adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so 
fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly 
affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the 
universe.*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985),

Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld


From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get
 used to it.

Then why is it still referred to in textbooks and scientific literature as the THEORY 
of evolution?

Maybe because the 'empirical evidence' is NOT 'overwhelming'...too many cases of 
extinction and dead ends in the historical record.


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2000-04-20 Thread Tenorlove


Bill Clinton was at home, sitting down flicking the channels over when
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A husky female voice breathes into the receiver. "I've always wanted to
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  EVOLUTION ***PLAIN TEXT***
  The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS 
  SPEAK!The size of this Conspiracy is enormous! Permeating all 
  western thought from religion, philosophy, ethics, science, astronomy, 
  sociology, and so forth!
  
  
  Don't tell me, it's another joke - 
  right? Haa Haa!
  
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 Then why is it still referred to in textbooks and scientific
 literature as the THEORY of evolution?

For the same reason that 'The Big Bang' , 'Relativity', Etc are described as
theory. Observational sciences are difficut to prove experimentally.

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2000-04-20 Thread Tenorlove


who sent me "The Myth of Evolution" in plain text, both on and off
list.

And no, Laura, I don't have any of those sinister agendas you ascribe
to me (sales or censorship or distraction). I just have trouble with
HTML docs. Not sure if the problem is hardware, software, or both. I
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[CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread nexusmagazine


That was an interesting series of quotations you posted.

I have published and read correspondence from archaeologists who have
been coerced to falsify data.  The particular case I have in mind is one
where fosilised evidence shows human mammoth hunting in central American
250,000 years ago.  Geological and carbon dating plus other dating
techniques ALL confirmed this.  The whole team were asked to omit or
falsify data to maintain funding.  One refused, she now lives hand to
mouth, the other team members who complied all hold good posts in various
universities.  This is NOT an isolated case.

Noone wants to stick their head out with contradictory data - it is
academic suicide.

Evolution through species is an obvious nonsense, placing more faith in
randomness, than Christians even place in God.
Similarly I am not happy with any existing religious explanations for
where life on Earth came from.

Assuming the two choices we are given, ie science or religion are both
incomplete (or downright wrong), we are only left with one alternative:

a)  life was seeded here either accidentally or deliberately by other
life forms from elsewhere in the omniverse (an omniverse being more than
one 'space-time continuum universe [multidimensional])

b)  many original lifeforms were (either accidentally or deliberately)
erased at various intervals (the 5 mass extinctions) and 'replaced' with
newer improved models.  Using the fossil record (remember also that
fossils happen as a result of sudden catastrophes, ie catastrophism) we
find NO transitional species, only complete unique lifeforms.

c)  i conclude that we started off with many more species and lifeforms
on this planet than we have now.  If the theory of evolution is wrong,
then this also means that the huge number of lifeforms present on Earth
right now are the 'left overs' of what was not removed during the mass
extinctions.  All life on Earth may well be just 5-10% of what was
orginally 'put' here.  Given mass extinctions, asteroid impacts, climatic
change, ice ages, solar flares, diseases, interbreeding,  wars,
earthchanges and the like, I'd say we would be lucky to have even 10% of
the original number of varieties.

The question now is whether life on Earth is a result of accidental
contamination, or deliberate germination.

And that just applies to physicality.  How does one explain intellect,
emotions, spiritual experiences, psychic experiences etc via a
evolutionary process?

Conspiracy theories are flourishing in this void of understanding our
origins.

Creationists conspired to suppress scientists.
Scientists now conspire to suppress information that contradicts its own
dogmas.   Anomalous and contradictory information should be used to
further our understanding of life, not hidden away to protect vested
academic and financial interests.

Maybe it is time to listen to the records of the indigenous cultures of
this planet.  They ALL basically say the same thing.
1)  Beings from the stars came here and created us/interbred with us
2)  We had advanced civilisations in our distant past
3)  We have had regular sudden catastrophes which have reshaped the face
of our Earth, causing civilisations to disappear completely, and restart
elsewhere.

What is so silly with the above scenario - it fits ALL the existing and
the suppressed information that we know of?

Holiday wishes to you all

Duncan


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[CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread nexusmagazine


This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was
abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our
study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research.

Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get
used to it.

Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list.
Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your
superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish
something here. You're in the way.

Evolution is NOT a fact - get used to it - better still do some research
and find out for yourself.

Why does rational discussion of the theory of evolution have to fall into
a debate between religion and science?  Both are wrong in my opinion, and
since this is a conspiracy discussion list, you should realise that there
is a conspiracy to keep contradictory information about 'anomalous'
history of the Earth away from the public.  This conspiracy is supported
by BOTH science and religion.

regards

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1


SkeptiNews 000420a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!


 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of nexusmagazine
 Sent: 20 April 2000 13:42
 That was an interesting series of quotations you posted.

 I have published and read correspondence from archaeologists who have
 been coerced to falsify data.  The particular case I have in mind is one
 where fosilised evidence shows human mammoth hunting in central American
 250,000 years ago.  Geological and carbon dating plus other dating
 techniques ALL confirmed this.  The whole team were asked to omit or
 falsify data to maintain funding.  One refused, she now lives hand to
 mouth, the other team members who complied all hold good posts in various
 universities.  This is NOT an isolated case.

OK. You site this as a fact. Where is your reference for this?.

Who are these 'Archaeologists'?

What form of 'Evidence' are you talking about?,

Who did the carbon dating?,

What other techniques were used?

Who asked the team to falsify data?

Who was it that refused?

What universities now employ these members?

Personally, I think you are talking out of your arse, but I am prepared to
be persuaded otherwise if you can supply the above information.

Now, lets have a look at the rest of this post.







 no one wants to stick their head out with contradictory data - it is
 academic suicide.

Wrong. Without innovative thinking and inspiration, we would still be in the
dark ages.


 Evolution through species is an obvious nonsense, placing more faith in
 randomness, than Christians even place in God.
 Similarly I am not happy with any existing religious explanations for
 where life on Earth came from.

This sentence clearly shows your own lack of understanding of evolution.
There is nothing random about it. It is called the evolution of species
through natural selection, and it means exactly what it says on the tin.


 Assuming the two choices we are given, ie science or religion are both
 incomplete (or downright wrong), we are only left with one alternative:

 a)  life was seeded here either accidentally or deliberately by other
 life forms from elsewhere in the omniverse (an omniverse being more than
 one 'space-time continuum universe [multidimensional])


OK clever guy, where did the life come from that 'seeded here'?

 b)  many original lifeforms were (either accidentally or deliberately)
 erased at various intervals (the 5 mass extinctions) and 'replaced' with
 newer improved models.  Using the fossil record (remember also that
 fossils happen as a result of sudden catastrophes, ie catastrophism) we
 find NO transitional species, only complete unique lifeforms.


Again, you have an incomplete understanding of this subject.


 c)  i conclude that we started off with many more species and lifeforms
 on this planet than we have now.  If the theory of evolution is wrong,
 then this also means that the huge number of lifeforms present on Earth
 right now are the 'left overs' of what was not removed during the mass
 extinctions.  All life on Earth may well be just 5-10% of what was
 orginally 'put' here.  Given mass extinctions, asteroid impacts, climatic
 change, ice ages, solar flares, diseases, interbreeding,  wars,
 earthchanges and the like, I'd say we would be lucky to have even 10% of
 the original number of varieties.

 The question now is whether life on Earth is a result of accidental
 contamination, or deliberate germination.

 And that just applies to physicality.  How does one explain intellect,
 emotions, spiritual experiences, psychic experiences etc via a
 evolutionary process?

 Conspiracy theories are flourishing in this void of understanding our
 origins.

 Creationists conspired to suppress scientists.
 Scientists now conspire to suppress information that contradicts its own
 dogmas.   Anomalous and contradictory information should be used to
 further our understanding of life, not hidden away to protect vested
 academic and financial interests.

 Maybe it is time to listen to the records of the indigenous cultures of
 this planet.  They ALL basically say the same thing.
 1)  Beings from the stars came here and created us/interbred with us
 2)  We had advanced civilisations in our distant past
 3)  We have had regular sudden catastrophes which have reshaped the face
 of our Earth, causing civilisations to disappear completely, and restart
 elsewhere.

 What is so silly with the above scenario - it fits ALL the existing and
 the suppressed information that we know of?

I think that basically you are quite harmless, but you could do with some
education.

Silas



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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread nexusmagazine


big snip

 What is so silly with the above scenario - it fits ALL the existing and
 the suppressed information that we know of?

I think that basically you are quite harmless, but you could do with some
education.

Silas

You can take a horse to water 


:)

Duncan


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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Jeff Sandlin


When I was younger, young people had bumper stickers on their cars that
said question authority. Now they drive around with fish with legs on
their cars to insult people who do not have faith in the same belief
system they do. They just blindly accept the manure shoveled on them by
the NEA and the tenured cretins that teach them their  version of the
truth. I guess it is just easier to believe what you`re told by experts
than to look for the truth.
The truth is out there, the question is does anyone care?

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Dale Stonehouse


On Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:44 AM, silas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

 OK. You site this as a fact. Where is your reference for this?.

If you claim to be educated, you could spell 'cite' correctly.

 What form of 'Evidence' are you talking about?

Ah, the religion of "evidence." Isn't that like the religions of "truth",
"credibility" and "proof?"

 Personally, I think you are talking out of your arse, but I am prepared to
 be persuaded otherwise if you can supply the above information.

Face it, 3D existence forces us to choose which untruths to "believe." Those
from elsewhere laugh their "arses" off at us because we "believe" anything
we "see." If we "see" a holographic projection  we don't question its
reality because we "saw" it with our own eyes.

 I think that basically you are quite harmless, but you could do with some
 education.

To which type of education do you refer - that which teaches us WHAT to
think, or that which teaches us HOW to think?

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

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 Subject: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

 On Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:44 AM, silas
 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

  OK. You site this as a fact. Where is your reference for this?.

 If you claim to be educated, you could spell 'cite' correctly.

  What form of 'Evidence' are you talking about?

 Ah, the religion of "evidence." Isn't that like the religions of "truth",
 "credibility" and "proof?"

  Personally, I think you are talking out of your arse, but I am
 prepared to
  be persuaded otherwise if you can supply the above information.

 Face it, 3D existence forces us to choose which untruths to
 "believe." Those
 from elsewhere laugh their "arses" off at us because we "believe" anything
 we "see." If we "see" a holographic projection  we don't question its
 reality because we "saw" it with our own eyes.

  I think that basically you are quite harmless, but you could do
 with some
  education.

 To which type of education do you refer - that which teaches us WHAT to
 think, or that which teaches us HOW to think?

Well, three posts all castigating my own posting, but not ONE of them
answers even one of the points that I raised.

Let me spell it out for the morons. Yes, you can post any old crap and call
it a fact, but if you do, it is not unreasonable for someone to ask you to
support your 'facts'.

Clearly the 'facts' in this case are not supportable. If you wish to believe
in this rubbish then fine, but you may as well believe in fairies,
leprechauns, goblins and the conservative party being men of honour.
~  Then, possibly you do!

Silas

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[CTRL] Eternal youth? It's all in the genes




Eternal youth? It's all in the genesBy 
DAMIEN BRODERICKWednesday 19 April 2000IN LATE February, Dr Ron 
DePinho and other scientists at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute of Harvard 
Medical School and Albert Einstein College of Medicine reported that they 
had rejuvenated elderly mice. Using gene therapy techniques, they replaced a 
deleted gene in prematurely aged mice, which bounced back to youthful 
health. Would it be wrong to use such techniques to change aspects 
of our owngenetic inheritance? Such anxiety is misplaced. Our cells are 
lashed bystray high-speed particles and disruptive chemicals, many from the 
naturalfoods we eat. To do better than nature, which kills us all at 120 or 
muchearlier, we need an improved repair and maintenance 
system.DePinho's efforts are among the first successes in compiling a 
repair kit.The end result, expected by optimists to pay off within decades, 
should be agradual extension of healthy lifespan. We won't fall sick as 
easily, and we'llrecover from illness and accident more swiftly. Tissues 
won't deterioratesteadily just because years pass. Is it wicked or misguided 
to seek such ascientific cure to routine ageing?Human cells, tissues 
and organs lack a full maintenance program. Other animals are more 
fortunate. Lobsters and trout are protected against ageing by an enzyme, 
telomerase - although not against hungry fishermen. DePinho's genetically 
engineered mice entirely lack the gene for that same repair enzyme, and so 
are prey to various age-related illnesses, including chronic liver 
disease. The full human genome, our own genetic "recipe", has now 
been mapped. Within a few years, we'll learn exactly how it is expressed in 
proteins, and how those building blocks work alone and together. Then, 
inevitably, we'll start selectively rewriting the genetic coding of our 
bodies, repairing and even improving our legacy. Maybe we'll choose to 
import one or more artificial chromosomes loaded with useful upgrades. This 
is not far-fetched - such contrived strings of genes have already been 
inserted into experimental cells, with no harmful effects. 
Fresh information is arriving with breathtaking speed. The private US 
research effort, Celera, finished mapping the complete genome code months 
earlier than expected, and years before the huge Human Genome Project's 
own announced date. IBM is building a computer, Blue Gene, able to 
process 1000 trillion calculations a second, so it can model precisely how 
the proteins ordained by our DNA code fold up and interact. By 2005, we'll 
know a lot more about specific risks of inherited diseases. 
Will we use that knowledge to change our individual codes? Not in 
theimmediate future. Too risky, too scary to people who get spooked 
bygenetically modified food (which is actually pretty safe and 
offersimportant benefits). But we'll surely see very early scanning of 
pregnancies fora host of potential disorders, allowing parents to seek early 
termination andtry again.Sounds like eugenics? Not in the vicious 
sense. Most Down syndrome foetuses, with a damaging three copies of 
chromosome 21, are aborted after early screening. Ethicist Nicholas 
Tonti-Filippini has warned on this page (March 23) that this approach might 
not be acceptable, creating a society intolerant of diversity. But should we 
prefer more retarded babies, more suffering people afflicted with spina 
bifida or cystic fibrosis? Won't clones be stored and rifled for 
spare parts? No. That's just a Hollywood horror story. Your clone is your 
twin. Would you callously demand your twin's heart or right hand? Would 
anyone let you have it? Instead, we'll use cloning technology to grow 
tissues or organs. Your own stem cells will be modified to form 
hearts, lungs - or teeth, replacing any lost through decay and wear. Adults 
may grow new teeth. Or teeth could be grown in a culture medium, perhaps at 
an accelerated rate and then implanted, using recently discovered 
angiogenesis factors to stimulate new blood vessels, and other growth 
factors that boost nerve connections. The key gene coding for a protein that 
grows local blood supply, sox18, has just been identified by researchers at 
the University of Queensland. Switching such genes off, by contrast, will 
starve cancers, allowing the immune system to deal with them. 
Babies born 30 years hence may grow up with such perfect cellular 
maintenance that they need never age, dying only by accident or choice. 
Will we get the benefits of these discoveries? Maybe not - we might be, 
sadly, the last mortal generation. But who knows - if we can keep ourselves 
alive and healthy, maybe some of these treatments will be retrofitted into 
our ailing bodies and make us new again, like DePinho's mice. 
Won't drastic life-extension methods be too costly for us ordinary 
folks,and instead be hoarded by the rich and renovated? At first, treatments 
maybe very expensive. But not necessarily all. Today, antibiotics

[CTRL] BUCHANAN'S CRITICS HOW THEY LIE

2000-04-20 Thread lloyd

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November 10, 1999

BUCHANAN'S CRITICS  HOW THEY LIE
Norman Podhoretz is the Energizer Bunny of the Hate Buchanan Brigade  he just keeps 
smearing and smearing and smearing, in the vain hope that something will stick. I 
exposed his shamelessly sloppy lies in this column, and Pat himself answered Poddy in 
a widely circulated letter, but The Pod keeps coming back for more.

THE EVADER
In a letter to the Wall Street Journal [November 8, 1999], which the editors 
evocatively entitled "A Willful Blindness," Norm avers that Buchanan's response was "a 
fancy display of evasive polemical tactics"  this from a man who deliberately 
falsified a quote from an article by Buchanan to make it seem "anti-Semitic," and, 
when called on it, studiously evades the point! Whose "willful blindness" are we 
talking about here?

IN THE FULLNESS OF HIS MALICE
But Norm has to be read to be believed, and so here he is in the fullness of his 
malice:

"I have often denounced revisionist historians of the Cold War for being analogously 
'soft on Stalin'  and so, I daresay, has Mr. Buchanan  even when they covered 
themselves by calling the Soviet leader a monster or a madman. What made the Cold War 
revisionists soft was their insistence on downplaying the number of Stalin's victims, 
and/or their accusing the U.S. of driving him to some of the crimes he committed. This 
is precisely what Mr. Buchanan does when he denies that Hitler had any designs on 
Britain or the United States. In the Buchananite interpretation, if we had not gone to 
war against Hitler, he would have been happy to leave us alone and also not to lay a 
finger on the Jewish communities of Western Europe."

HATEFUL DAZE ARE HERE AGAIN
Podhoretz writes in a hateful daze  a stream-of-consciousness polemical style in 
which ideas are thrown out (or is that thrown up) with cheerless abandon, and then 
it's on to the next epithet. His letter is obviously intended to be read the same 
unfocused way. Podhoretz does not even bother with proof, citations from Pat's book, A 
Republic, Not an Empire, nor any words Buchanan has either written or spoken  he 
simply makes things up out of whole cloth. We are not concerned, here, with the 
"Buchananite interpretation" of history, but the Podhoretzian interpretation of A 
Republic, Not an Empire  which bears not the slightest resemblance to the book as 
written. Far from saying that Hitler "would have been happy . . . not to lay a finger 
on the Jewish communities of Western Europe," Buchanan argues that the Nazis would 
have been powerless to carry out their pogroms in Western Europe. Since they would 
never have occupied France, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands, but inst!
ead turned east, it stands to reason that the Jews of Western Europe would have been 
spared. Now, will somebody please tell me how or why this argument is "anti-Semitic"?

MISSING THE POINT
Podhoretz misses the whole point of a book that is, after all, about far more than the 
narrow question of whether or not we should have allowed ourselves to get dragged into 
World War II. Clearly, as a nationalist, Buchanan believes in the necessity of 
American power: no one mistakes him for a pacifist. The whole point of the single 
chapter Podhoretz  Co. are so upset about is that, quite apart from Hitler's 
intentions, whatever they might have been, the West would have had time to prepare a 
defense  that is, in the event Hitler and Stalin failed to destroy each other.

THE LIAR
Podhoretz lies about everything. He makes up quotations, cutting a few sentences from 
one article and pasting it into another. He lies about Pat's book, without even 
bothering to cut and paste or to even quote so much as a single word. Not only that, 
but he also lies about the Cold War revisionists  and you'll notice that he doesn't 
name them. (Probably because he hasn't read them.) They were historians such as 
William Appleman Williams, D. F. Fleming, and Gabriel Kolko  who never "downplayed 
the number of Stalin's victims. These authors never even concerned themselves with 
this question, but instead sought to prove that the US and not the Soviet Union had 
started the Cold War and kept it going. Far from being admirers of Stalin, these 
mostly leftist-oriented scholars painted a portrait of Stalin as a Russian nationalist 
who had betrayed the old Communist principle of "proletarian internationalism" and 
sought to build "socialism in one country." This, they averred, explained!
 his timorous foreign policy, which invited US aggression. Whatever one may think of 
this thesis on its merits is one thing, but

Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Chris Gaydosh


I'm not sure how we got onto this subject... Passover or Easter I presume.  But
it seems to me that their is a great deal of pontification about evolution and
'non-evolution' by people who know little or nothing about geology or
archaeology.
First, evolution is not accurately described as a "theory", it is a hypothesis.
By definition, it cannot be replicated, at least on the macro level, although
microevolution happens billions of times daily with insects, plants, viruses
etc.
Second, the fossil record is very incomplete, and there is little hope of ever
finding a transitional species that lived for only a short time.  Consider this
analogy.   In your house you posses a copy of each and every recording ever
made-CD, tape, LP, wax impressions- every one going back to Edison.  One day
your house catches fire.  It stays there, untouched for a few years while
hurricanes, floods, and other natural processes turn it into a pile of rubble.
Now--- go look for those recordings.  How complete of a picture of the entire
variability of recorded music will you be able to sample?  Will some be in
better shape than others?  What about the forms that 'died out' or had only a
few musicians and albums?
That's how the fossil record is... but convert that to a billion years and you
begin to see the problem of reconstructing a puzzle so vast and complex.  It has
been said that we have only calculated 10-20% of all CURRENTLY living species on
the planet.
Creationists tend to argue that evolution is a religion, and that one cannot be
Christian, Jewish or even Muslim and believe in this conflicting religion.  As
others here noted, evolution does not explain where life came from or how it
decided to take this evolutionary path. Technically, they are correct, if the
definition of religion is a system of beliefs, evolution is one. Scientific
method is one. It is a religion of searching for the truth, where most true
religions, the truth is told to you.  I have never seen a problem with the two
coexisting, as these are different truths.
My last point is that name calling never solved anything, and is very
unprofessional.  If you are on here to promote your personal philosophy and push
it on others, this is no place for you.  If you are here to DISCUSS differing
viewpoints and ideas it most certainly IS for you.

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Dale Stonehouse


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wrote:
 Let me spell it out for the morons. If you wish to believe
 in this rubbish then fine

If you think all men must BELIEVE in something you are wrong. Believe it or
not some choose not to believe. Period. Belief is an error of humanity,
given to us by our "creators." Words were given to support belief. Try
believing in something without words to back it up.

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Fragment of Cross Held by Vatican. A fragment of Jesus' cross held by the
  Vatican could not be a clever medieval forgery like the Shroud of Turin.
  A portion of the Titulus, the placard placed on the cross that mockingly
  declared Jesus the King of the Jews,has long been safeguarded from acade-
  mic scrutiny by the Vatican. http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/crossvat.htm

# Easter Eggs Can Be Dangerous to Dogs. LONDON (Reuters) Dog owners beware:
  too much Easter kindness can kill your dog. Don't stuff yourself with cho-
  colate bunnies either: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000419/10/odd-easter
# BROADWAY'S SECOND COMING: 'JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR' IS BACK - and boy, is
  he pissed! http://CNN.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/Arts/04/19/jesus.christ.superstar/
# 10-COMMANDMENTS Gold! http://CNN.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/19/nielsens.ap/

: D'ya care that Easter is named after Ishtar; that Easter celebrations are
actually recreations of ancient heathen (spring) fertility rituals; that the
Easter sacraments are dangerous for humans/animals; that Yeshua was an ET??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# MEDIUM CLAIMS TO CURE 'POSSESSED' WOMEN THRU SEX RITUAL  BABY PACIFIERS.
  Kuala Lumpur. Malaysians have been warned to be wary of a man claiming he
  can invoke a "child god" to cleanse women of evil spirits by sucking paci-
  fiers and having sex with them. Photographed wearing a bib and sucking
  3 pacifiers, while a half-empty baby's bottle of milk was on the table:
 www.scmp.com/News/Asia/Article/FullText_asp_ArticleID-2418032327242.asp

# Too Busy to Pray? Call Sinbusters! MILAN, Italy (Reuters) An Italian
  housewife has gone into the prayer business to rescue the souls of people
  whose daily grind leaves no time to attend to their own salvation. Dial-a-
  prayer goes automatic: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000419/10/odd-prayer
MAN INTRUDES HOME- SENT BY ANGEL www.mndaily.com/daily/2000/04/19/news/new4/

: What's your favorite divine/spiritual/demonic/alien intervention? Have you
disturbed any (para)normal entities lately? Do your disturbances usually in-
volve sex/phones/computers/hammers/drugs/pacifiers/robots?Are you effective?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# MOST U.S. WOMEN IN VIOLENT RELATIONSHIPS. More than half of all American
  women have experienced some sort of violence in their intimate relation-
  ships, including physical abuse or psychological battering, according to a
  new study. "I was expecting half the numbers we found, and the thing that
  was clearly the most surprising to us was the large  proportion of women
  who had ever experienced violence," said study co-author Dr. Ann Coker.
  http://www.healthcentral.com/news/newsfulltext.cfm?ID=31882src=n47

# DAD CHOPS OFF SEXY LADY'S HEAD WITH AN AX -- BECAUSE SHE SEDUCED HIS 15-
  YEAR-OLD SON! BIRMINGHAM, England -- Tony Phillips exploded in rage when
  he found out his teenage son was having sex with a sultry 34-year-old
  neighbor lady -- and cut off the woman's head with an ax! "It was like
  hitting a piece of rubber." http://weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1847.html

: Are you in a violent relationship? Are violent relationships mandated by
evolution/deities/mindcontrollers/aliens/me? Should/can/will interpersonal
violence be reduced by laws/drugs/surgery/counseling/mindrays/evolution??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientists Call South Africa's AIDS Policy Idiotic. WASHINGTON (Reuters)
  Frustrated scientists battling the HIV epidemic denounced South Africa's
  AIDS policy as idiotic, saying thousands were dying while politicos argued
  about causes  cures of the disease. Pres Thabo Mbeki questions HIV/AIDS
  link, AZT: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2419/ts/aids_safrica_1.html
@ HEALTHY DEVIL: STDs http://h-devil-www.mc.duke.edu/h-devil/stds/stds.htm

# POT SHRINKS BRAIN TUMORS IN MICE. Researchers in Madrid are experimenting
  with the anticancer properties of marijuana and coming up with surprising
  results. http://healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=32095
# Nerve poison leaves telltale evidence- organophosphates traceable by anti-
  bodies - proves neurodamage: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9697026
@ HOW CAN I SAFELY CLEAN MICE FECES TO AVOID HANTA VIRUS? Soak with Lysol:
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=31894

: What's your favorite medical conspiracy?Is Pres Mbeki promoting the spread
of AIDS? Who's paying him? Who pays govts to suppress cannabis? Who pays for
neurotoxins to

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LATINO SPECTRUM by Roberto Rodriguez  Patrisia Gonzales
Anti-Immigrant Forces Find a New Enemy in MEChA

To some people, the mere name Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA)
conjures up images of militancy and perhaps even armed insurrection. The
reality is that the national student organization encourages education,
indigenous pride and self-determination, mainly in young Mexican Americans and
other Latinos. So it is no surprise that the right wing and anti-immigrant
forces in this country have found themselves a new target in MEChA.

MEChA translates to "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán." Aztlán was the
original homeland of the Mexica (also known to some as Aztecs), and the name
Chicano activists have given the Southwest--land that formerly belonged to
Mexico. Since it was founded in 1969, by Chicano students in Santa Barbara,
Calif., MEChA has provided much of the rank and file support for virtually all
of the major human rights struggles of Mexican Americans and other Latinos. For
that reason, many schools have traditionally opposed its formation on their
campuses--hoping to avoid political activism. Despite this, most college
campuses have a chapter, and many high schools in the Southwest either have one
or are struggling to create one.

MEChA is similar to the NAACP in its dedication to civil rights, however, it is
a lot more idealistic. In this respect, there is no reason it should be feared
by anyone--except the enemies of human rights. And yet, throughout its history,
it has drawn the wrath and censure of hostile school administrations and many
right-wing student organizations--funded oftentimes by adult, conservative
organizations.

In the past few months, MEChA and similar organizations across the country have
been subjected to unprecedented attacks by school administrations and
conservative organizations. The recent action against them--attempts at
censorship, unprovoked arrests, general harassment--is distinct from the
harassment MEChA members are accustomed to, such as the recent mass arrests of
students at UC Riverside and UC Berkeley for the "crimes" of demanding that
universities establish Chicano/Latino studies departments, or for protesting
the anti-immigrant or anti-affirmative action movements in the country.
MEChA is now being targeted by conservative forces who have come to realize
what many have always known: the most vibrant leadership within the
Chicano/Latino community traditionally springs forth from the student and labor
sectors, not public policy wonks in Washington D.C.

While MEChA has traditionally supported the work of organizations such as the
United Farm Worker's Union, it has primarily concerned itself with bringing
more Chicano and Latino students, faculty and staff into universities. Those
opposed to MEChA appear to be bothered by the very presence of Latinos in
higher education and their preference for using the term "Chicano" to refer to
themselves. Apparently, some people preferred it when Latinos were virtually
nonexistent at America's colleges and universities, and were considered only
worthy of performing unskilled labor.

Moreover, since "Mechistas" almost always organize around educational
institutions, conservatives on campuses who are opposed to MEChA appear to fear
that the end result will be a generation not of complacent and assimilated
Mexicans, but educated and clear-thinking individuals who are not ashamed of
their heritage and who want to utilize their skills to uplift their
communities.

At a New Mexico high school, a teacher (who has asked to remain anonymous due
to possible litigation) is fighting for her job over MEChA-related activities.
She has been directed by the administration to cease teaching the "MEChA
philosophy" in class. If this case ever goes to a trial, it will be worth
following to see what the school administration determines the MEChA philosophy
is. Perhaps MEChA's detractors feel that teaching Latino students the
philosophy of passivity in the face of injustice--how Latinos were expected to
behave in the 1950s--is preferable to teaching students to proudly speak out in
defense of human rights.

Daniel Sosa of Movimiento Estudiantil Xicano de Aztlán at Michigan State
University says that if the organization has a philosophy, "it's the liberation
of the mind. It's teaching people that we have a responsibility to our
communities."

At St. Pius X High School in Albuquerque, the administration has directed
"Chicanos Unidos" to change its name to something that does not connote
militancy. At St. Mary's University in San Antonio, Texas, the Student
Publications Board recently directed MEChA to cease publication of its
newspaper, "Espiritu de Aztlán," because it purportedly did not comply with
campus regulations. Its editor, Christina Ramirez, says that community support
forced the

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PARIS - To survive as a contrarian in France, you have to be unassailably
competent, breathtakingly charming, or both. Since charm gets subjective,
best be right, or at least very plausible.

Patrick Artus is an economist who says his European colleagues seem to be
censoring themselves in avoiding acknowledgment of the euro's deep
weaknesses.

Mr. Artus also thinks that the new economy is a faint and shallow notion in
the key countries of the euro zone, that Europe's strong growth projections
mask big structural problems and that the top leadership of the European
Central Bank is doing an inadequate job.

This is not exactly the party line. The party line, he says, in particular
the ECB's mumbling about the euro zone's ''strong fundamentals,'' and about
the common currency's ''potential for appreciation,'' is hooey.

Mr. Artus, who served at the Banque de France for 10 years before becoming
chief economist of the large, state-affiliated Caisse des Depots 
Consignations, continues to get invited to the right professional gatherings
and quoted by the right reviews.

In truth, he flourishes (without reprisal or intimidation, he says), which
suggests that if the competence/contrarian equation is right, Mr. Artus is on
to something about the euro and the Continent's economy.

If Mr. Artus were just negative or cynical, attributes that never got anybody
in trouble in France, he would hardly be noticed. But his economic views aim
at Europe's daily existential orthodoxies, and beyond them, their subtext
questions the competence of the economic experts and officials responsible
for them.

Sitting in his office overlooking the Seine, Mr. Artus talks with the
directness of a man who looks to make hard points as opposed to slithering
around them. For starters, he said, ''We're basically concerned that the euro
zone is not a strong economic zone.''

He contended that long-term capital was now draining from the zone at the
rate of $220 billion a year, $120 billion of it in direct investment by
industry, and $100 billion in portfolio investments such as the purchase of
stocks or bonds.

''This is a real phenomenon, a much less simplistic one than Duisenberg's
analysis,'' Mr. Artus argued, referring to Wim Duisenberg, president of the
European Central Bank.

''The euro is on a structural slope downward, and it will be until noneuro
countries invest here. As long as we aren't capable of limiting our outflow,
we risk being under 90 cents'' for a euro.

Referring to Jean-Claude Trichet, governor of the Banque de France, Mr. Artus
said, ''If you told this to Mr. Trichet, he'd faint. It's not the sign of a
strong economy if we invest elsewhere and they don't come here. It's
troubling to realize that the euro will be something very weak for reasons
that aren't cyclical'' - as Mr. Duisenberg argues, he said.

''The ECB is not the pilot here, but European structural weakness. They make
out it's a cyclical problem, but it's not. That's the serious thing.''

In testimony before the European Parliament this week, Christian Noyer, vice
president of the European Central Bank, insisted again that the euro's 18
percent decline against the dollar since its inception in January 1999 ''does
not reflect economic fundamentals.''

This kind of thinking, from Mr. Artus's point of view, is delusion, and he
told a French newspaper two weeks ago that it seemed likely that ''everyone
is censoring themselves'' on the subject of how soft the euro's exchange rate
would be at the end of the year.

Mr. Artus said he believed that Germany, France and Italy, the euro zone's
premier economies, had not united conditions necessary for sustained growth.
He saw inadequate gains in productivity and, taking France as an example,
said he doubted the growth of a new economy.
''But no, but no,'' he said, ''It's not going to happen. This message goes
down badly now, since our growth could be at 3.5 percent. But it's cyclic
catching-up. It's all demand and not matched by supply. You get no sense of
growth in the long term.''

Underlying pessimism in Europe, he said, is based on the unproved optimism of
its officials and experts.

''The government here says it will finance start-ups,'' he said. ''O.K., but
we don't build the new economy technologies. We consume them. There are a lot
of things bubbling, but it's not very deep, and no miracles are in store.''

Mr. Artus acknowledged that this was an individualistic position, so far from
the dominant loop for some to say it was ridiculous.

''There are only a few people who make a deep structural analysis,'' he said,
clearly referring to himself. ''It's not easy to be outside the consensus.
But the worst thing is to embrace growth when there is no structural change.
It allows us to avoid asking the right questions.''

In the

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[CTRL] n30/a16 - G77 ALLIANCE ?!

2000-04-20 Thread U.P. Secr


At the same time as the many thousands of wonderful
dedicated young people in Washington so powerfully
convinced the IMF/WB and the world that Seattle had
only been the BEGINNING, the G77 comprising 133
poor countries "coincidentally" held a historic summit in
Havanna.

Its prominent leaders voiced full support of the protests
in Washington and its major concrete demands, debt
cancellation and fair trade, are identical with those of the
Mobilization for Global Justice.

Except for individual progressive leaders, the notion of the
summit naturally could not include the basic root of all
of the misery, the corporate rule, because many of the
133 governments are corrupt.

But with regard to the actual concrete policies there should
be all reason to seek a historic formal alliance with G77.

For instance, after an analysis of the money involved,
we could urge them all to collectively stop paying their
"debts" to the bloodsuckers.

Of course the analysis beforehand must confirm that the
consequent stop of annual aid from the rich countries
amounts to less than the total annual debt payments.

As the balance may be negative for some of the poor
countries, all of the 133 countries in solidarity should
set up a fund comprising all of the saved "debt" payments
and redistribute them so as to keep everybody indemnified.

Such fund has the additional merit of benefitting most the
countries that have bowed less to the imperialist "debt"
payment demands.

Another concrete issue for a formal alliance with G77
could be financial support from the G77 countries to
their citizens to participate in our actions.

No G77 country now can doubt that such comparatively
small money will pay a million times.

Ole Fjord Larsen,
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[CTRL] Eye on the Empire: 04-20-00


From AntiWar.Com

"" How good a prophet was Admiral Venturoni?  ""

{{Begin}}
Eye on the Empire
Alan Bock

April 20, 2000
NATOS SHEER INCOMPETENCE:

A LARGER MEANING?

One of the pleasures of keeping fat files  sometimes outweighed, sometimes not
by the general air of messiness on the desk  is the opportunity to compare
what officials said they expected at various times in the past to what has
actually occurred. In the case of NATO officialdoms
hopes/expectations/predictions about how things were likely to play out, the
record suggests a nodding acquaintance at best with reality on the ground.
I have before me, for example, a Reuters story from last October on the
likelihood of NATO peacekeeping forces being pulled out or reduced in number
and when. Guido Venturoni, the Italian admiral who had assumed the post as
chairman of NATOs military command the previous May, was on a whirlwind tour
of NATO capitals to keep morale bucked up. That was important because he
brought essentially unwelcome news:

"Probably next Spring we can assess the possibility of a force restructuring
[in Kosovo]" he told a news conference in Copenhagen, "but for the moment I
think it is premature." Politicians in the NATO countries he was visiting would
have preferred to hear that some of the 43,000 NATO troops then in Kosovo
(about 5,300 from the U.S.) would start to come home fairly soon. Politicians
who have even a hint of concern about popular opinion are seldom fond of the
idea of open-ended military commitments with no discernible exit plan.

PROGRESS AND UNITY

Venturoni also made some interesting claims about the outcome and impact of the
NATO bombing campaign and occupation. Although the Kosovo war was "a very
challenging test," he said, NATO had passed it with flying colors. "NATO unity
was reinforced," said the good admiral.

He also claimed the NATO "peacekeepers" were starting to get a handle on things
in Kosovo, citing lower numbers of killings, kidnapping, looting, burning and
other unpleasantness per week than in the weeks when the occupation began. "We
cannot think, of course, of eliminating hatreds and killings and enmities that
are historically there," he admitted. "It takes time, but I think that the
trend is positive and so I am optimistic."

Admiral Venturoni did note that the war had highlighted some disparities
between the military capabilities of American and European forces. The
Americans did seem to do better at surveillance and reconnaissance, for
example. "Is it wise for the European nations to grow a little bit in this
respect?" he asked rhetorically. "I think, Yes, and so this is probably
something that will be taken care of in initiatives that are already under way.
The aim should be to improve the military capabilities, especially on this side
of the Atlantic."

But all in the context of the remarkable unity the Kosovo adventure had evoked
among the member-nations of NATO, of course.

Of course.

NOT EXACTLY

How good a prophet was Admiral Venturoni? Well, if progress were to continue
along the lines he suggested last October, by February one might have expected
at least some preliminary thinking about just how the Kosovo forces were to be
restructured in anticipation of being drawn down at least a bit by Spring. But
that wasnt exactly the situation by, say, February 24.

Since the previous October, of course, numerous European leaders had expressed
many of the concerns the Italian admiral had expressed about the need to bulk
up European military prowess. Preliminary plans had been discussed about
creating an independent (of NATO) European multinational military force. While
US officials had sometimes expressed diplomatically-couched concerns about
whether this was really necessary, discussions were and are ongoing.

MITROVICAS AFTERMATH

By late February of this year, all discussions about a possible restructuring
and reduction of NATO forces in Kosovo was way, way off the table. Mitrovica
had exploded in Serbian-Albanian violence, triggered by a grenade attack
February 2 on a United Nations buss in the city with the largest concentration
of Serbs left in all of Kosovo, perhaps 9,000. The grenade attack left two
Serbs dead and was followed the next day by a Serb rampage through Albanian
neighborhoods.

Violence continued, so NATO troops eventually launched door-to-door searches on
both side of the ethnic border, and required 2,300 reinforcements within a
couple of weeks.

By February 24, all the talk was about the possible need for more NATO troops
in Kosovo, possibly including the 22nd US Marine Expeditionary Unit, then
stationed on ships in the Mediterranean. Madeleine Albright said the US might
be prepared to bring in some of the 1,200 additional troops NATO commanders
thought were needed in Kosovo, but the Europeans should go first. Democratic
Senate leader Tom Daschle (S.D.) gently noted that while President Clinton had
all the authority he needed to increase the US commitment in

Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!


Oh! Ahhm ... I see.

I see that mommy forget to change junior's poohey nappy.

So .  "nessie"?  Hmmm .. doesn't your name appear under a post below
something about . Pft!!!  "elephant poop".

Well thanks "nessie" but really, you could have spared us - need not have
bothered with the shovel for this second pile.

This would have to be the most pious piece holier-than-thou paranoid
claptrap I've read on this list thus far.

Your pious "study of the truth" - what - by condemning it! You sound like a
complete control freak.

Well, if for a moment you can lay aside your infantile B.S. and paranoia -
the simple FACT is, that in the real world of the elite establishment - are
you aware that people are discriminated against from such basic rights as
employment for one example?

This discrimination is not based on lack of ability, but on the basis that a
person does not subscribe to a non-establishment view of the origins of life
and its associated social engineering dogma - this to me, seems would be of
concern to ANYONE on a - supposed "Conspiracy" forum.

The fact that there are brave men and women out there - prepared to stick
their necks on the line, not because they hold, or do not hold to a
particular religious view, and as the article indicated - most did not, but
rather, that they had the tenacity to simply state the truth as they saw
it - even if contrary to the power and propaganda of the elites - this seems
to have escaped your paranoid consensus reality and censorious mindset.

Perhaps in future, you'd like to actually offer constructive rational
argument rather than attempt to demonise every post that your bigoted little
paranoiac bonehead disagrees with?

And as far as spooks being on your paranoid delusional tail - I'm sure they
have better things to do with their time than waste it on a silly prat like
yourself - such as using the crapper - though on the other hand, the guys
from your local funny-farm - well . I'd advise you to keep looking over your
shoulder!

And just for the record AGAIN - the majority of the quotes (would you like
4,000 more - and referenced?) were from your own priestly elite - the
Evolutionists themselves, stating unequivocally that there IS NO EMPIRICAL
EVIDENCE for their own THEORY.

The same E THEORY that Nazi Germany adopted to murder the weak, malformed,
minorities, and the demonised so-called racially impure.

The same E THEORY that your Social Engineers originally employed to
majoritively, and racially target BLACK babies for abortive extermination.

The same E THEORY that Hitler based his Master Race plan, and racial hatred
on.

The same E THEORY that hastened steps toward the Holocaust, and
extermination of millions of Jews, and adopted by Nazi quacks to mutilate
and torture their human subjects because they were lower on the E THEORY
scale.

The same E THEORY that promotes imperialist capitalist dog-eat-dog, survival
of the fittest, and rapacious "progress" mentality to plunder the weak, and
the poor, and rape weaker nations of their sovereignty and resources.

The same E THEORY that led Ted Bundy to kill wantonly - writes Dr Loftus,
"he rambled on once about hunters who stalked and killed deer and were never
plagued by a guilty conscience. Why are we so moralistic, Bundy wanted to
know, when it comes to human life? Why is a human life worth more than a
deer's life?" [1] Now I wonder which E THEORY taught him that!

So tell us Mr big shot guru of "Conspiracy Theories" - what "THEORY" drives
your precious bogie man NEW WORLD ORDER - if not the same E THEORY that the
Third Reich put into such horrid PRACTICE - which, as you say, is your OWN
blindly accepted as fact E THEORY also - you intellectual fraud and
charlatan.


[1] Dr. Elizabeth Loftus and Katherine Ketchchum, 'Witness for the Defense'
p. 91




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From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!


 This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was
 abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our
 study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research.

 Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get
 used to it.

 Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list.
 Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your
 superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish
 something here. You're in the way.

 There are two possible explanations for you prattling on about off topic
 subjects, one after another. (1.) You're exceedingly rude, or (2.)
 somebody pays you to disrupt conspiracy research.  Either way, we're
 better off without you. Besides, there are plenty of places on the web
 that exist specifically for  people like you and the flat earthers an the
 rest of your ilk to feel at home in. Go there. Reinforce

[CTRL] Thank You Note


From The Times (UK)
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/04/19/timopnope01004.html

{{Begin}}
April 19 2000
OPINION

Thanks so much for having me, Mr Blair From the President of the Russian
Federation

To Tony Blair

Dear Tony,

Thank you for your hospitality. I am a man careful of his words and of little
wit. I enjoyed lunch and was happy to meet your press. What fools. As for the
lady to whom you sent me for tea at Windsor, what was that supposed to be
about? Anyway, thank you.

To business. I am told I do not smile much. I do not smile. I am trained KGB.
Governing Russia is no smiling matter. The place is rotten and without
discipline. You see two bags under my eyes? One is Chechnya, the other is
corruption. That is why I do not smile.

I am afraid Westerners still do not understand Russia. You talk all the time of
Chechnya, as if you meant to rule the world. I wish to rule only Russia. We
have Muslim fanatics raging through our southern provinces. Why do I need to
defend my actions to your press? We fought these terrorists and then tried
letting them rule in Grozny. It did not work. Chechnya was in anarchy. Those
people killed anyone, including British civilians. They were invading Dagestan.
This is a dangerous, turbulent part of the world. It is our Balkans. We must be
firm, and I had to let our soldiers do the job we asked them to do. As you
unleashed Nato's bombers last year, so I unleashed mine. The difference is that
I persuaded your enemy to cave in before mine did.

The Russian Army is charged with flattening cities, creating refugees and
committing human rights atrocities. Democrats cannot have it both ways. I have
the same problem that you had in Yugoslavia with infantry casualties. Nobody
wants them. So we used bombs, not bullets, which are less accurate. You are
still bombing Iraq, killing people every week. You do not tell your country
about this. You claim only to be standing firm against Muslim extremism. That
is what Russia is doing in Chechnya.

I am apparently accused of using "disproportionate firepower". Last year Nato
bombed the cities of Belgrade and Novi Sad and Nis. You hit houses, markets,
offices, railways, bridges and said you would go on until Milosevic
capitulated. From your rhetoric, I am sure you would have "flattened" Belgrade.

Did Nato kill more civilians than has Russia? Who knows? Is morality in the
body count? There are also 250,000 refugees in Serbia, driven out of Nato's
puppet state of Kosovo, often in Nato trucks. Your press publicises Chechen
refugees, my press publicises Serbian ones. You claim not to be responsible for
what your KLA allies do on the ground. We shall doubtless say the same in
Grozny. We are both members of the realpolitik club. The difference is that
Chechnya is part of Russia. I did not lecture you on Northern Ireland.

Some journalist had the cheek to ask me about human rights abuses. What of the
human rights of Iraqi civilians, of Serb refugees, of Kosovan Gypsies, or of
the hundreds of children orphaned by Nato bombing? Where do your two-faced
journalists think Grozny is located, somewhere north of Islington? I have
agreed a commission to look into military abuses. I can tell you, it will be
fudged and do no good.

I see you have a commission looking into your own military atrocities in
Northern Ireland. I note that it is dealing with killings 30 years after the
event. I offer you a deal, Tony. I will activate my Chechnya commission,
British style, in 2030. You Westerners are still imperialists at heart. You
cannot keep your noses out of other people's business.

There is, however, a matter on which I would appreciate real help. I admire the
way you slipped in ahead of Clinton and the others and came first to see me.
There was little in this for you except some glamorous photo calls at the
Mariinsky Theatre. But you could be a useful intermediary, like your hero
Margaret Thatcher, between Russia and the pestilential Americans. I am now
slashing our nuclear arsenal. The Duma ratified Start 2 last Friday. Do not
underestimate the historic significance of this. I soon intend to eliminate all
our multi-warhead missiles, the most feared of Russian weapons. Under Start 3
the arsenal will reduce to just 1,500 single-head missiles. Nato has demanded
this for three decades. We will deliver.

So why is Washington seeking to abrogate the ABM Treaty, to push ahead with its
anti-ballistic missile Star Wars programme? The programme is a technological
fantasy. You know that. Yet any treaty revision will infuriate Russia's
military. The way to contain rogue states is by fighting them, as in the Gulf
and Chechnya. None of us needs Star Wars against Pakistan or Iraq. Nuclear war
is avoided by us all sticking with non-proliferation and continuing to destroy
missiles.

Russia is not joking. It has swallowed one humiliation after another. We pulled
back from Serbia and even got you off the hook in Kosovo. We endured your
moralising on Chechnya. We

[CTRL] Britlanders' Balkanism


From www.wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : Ireland
Bloody Sunday Inquiry hears evidence suggesting deliberate "shoot-to-kill"
policy by British Army
By Julie Hyland
20 April 2000

Back to screen version

Before the inquiry into "Bloody Sunday" adjourned last week, it heard evidence
suggesting that the British Army had followed a deliberate shoot-to-kill
policy. The Saville inquiry, now adjourned until May 8, concerns the events of
January 30, 1972 in Derry (Londonderry), when British soldiers from the 1st
Parachute Regiment opened fire on a civil rights march called to protest anti-
Catholic discrimination in Northern Ireland. Thirteen demonstrators were killed
on the spot, and 17 were wounded, one of whom died later in hospital.

That day's events have been subjected to a cover-up by the British
establishment ever since, but the British government acceded to a fresh hearing
in order to secure Sinn Fein support for the May 1998 Good Friday Agreement,
aimed at ending paramilitary conflict in Northern Ireland. The Saville inquiry,
based in Derry, is expected to take two years to complete.

The concluding remarks of tribunal counsel, Mr. Christopher Clarke QC, centred
on establishing the circumstances surrounding the shooting of the first
victims: Damien Donaghy, then 15 years old, and John Johnston, 59. Establishing
the course of events before the Paratroops entered the Catholic Bogside area
was crucial with respect to allegations that the shootings were part of a pre-
planned military operation aimed at intimidating and crushing the civil rights
movement.

The inquiry has heard evidence that then Conservative Prime Minister Edward
Heath had been warned three months before Bloody Sunday that "it may become
imperative to go into the Bogside and root out the terrorists and the
hooligans", and that the Army's second-in-command in Northern Ireland suggested
that it might become necessary, after giving clear warnings, to shoot riot
ringleaders in order to restore law and order in Londonderry.
However, Clarke claimed that "there is at present no evidence to support this".

"It is of course possible for plans to be hatched in secret and kept out of
documents that are themselves secret," Clarke continued, but No indication is
to be found, or has yet been found of the existence, fulfilment or non-
fulfilment of any such plan."

Clarke concentrated on presenting alternative scenarios for the killingsmostly
focusing on the tension and bravado of individual soldiers who feared attack,
increasing[ly] feeling that forces of disorder were on the verge of victory
over the forces of civilisation." This contention is at odds with the evidence
presented to the inquiry.

The hearing heard that preparations had begun to move 1 Para from Belfast to
Londonderry the day before the march. This was despite reservations about their
use by senior officers, such as Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) commander Frank
Lagan, who feared that a confrontation between the 12,000-strong march and
security forces would "shatter such peace as is left in the city, create
intense violence and remove the last vestige of moderate goodwill".

1 Para is one of Britain's top elite military forces and is used for
specialised security operations. Clarke said that it had been suggested that as
"one of the roughest and toughest units" in the army, they were "quite
unsuitable" to carry out arrest operations during a riot. He noted that
evidence concerning 1 Para's equipment showed "a use of lethal weaponry
justifiable in time of war but not otherwise", but referred to notes of orders
issued by the commanding officer, Lt. Col Derek Wilford, before the rally
stating that the aim of the operation was to "arrest max. no. of rioters".

The inquiry was read the contents of a confidential memorandum from General Sir
Robert Ford, then the second-in-command of the army in Northern Ireland, to his
superior Gen. Sir Harry Tuzo, General Officer Commanding. Ford expressed
concern at the number of no-go areas that the army was prevented from entering
in Londonderry by pro-Republican youth, nicknamed the Derry Young Hooligans
(DYH). In his memo, Ford claimed, "Against the DYH... the Army in Londonderry
is for the moment virtually incapable". He added, "I am coming to the
conclusion that the minimum force necessary to achieve a restoration of law and
order is to shoot selected ringleaders amongst the DYH, after clear warnings
have been issued."

Ford had discussed issuing soldiers with rifles adapted to fire .22 rounds "to
enable ringleaders to be engaged with this less lethal ammunition". Thirty of
the rifles were sent for "zeroing and familiarisation" training, although they
were not to be used without authorisation. Ford stated, "we would have to
accept the possibility that .22 rounds may be lethal."

In a submission by Gen. Ford to the inquiry, he stated that the suggestion "to
shoot a few leaders was not an instruction to kill. Shoot and kill are
obviously

Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #1


- Original Message -
From: "Al Christians" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  # COSMIC RAYS WILL REVEAL UNIVERSAL SECRETS - Argentine telescope
  may solve mysteries surrounding the Big Bang, black holes...
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_719000/719514.stm

 Given the notable tendency of the dominant life forms on earth to
 hurl things at each other, we should afford due respect to the
 hypothesis that the cosmic rays are the stray rounds and misses
 from gazillions and billions of star wars.  Nothing in these
 articles to disprove that, is there?

Not a damn thing.  Given that intelligence/dominance/technology seems
linked to social aggression, it's fair to assume that any successful
ETs are at least as violent as humans.  Any sufficiently advanced
technological civilization will master the mechanisms of detonating
stars/galaxies/clusters, triggering black holes etc wherever they
desire for tactical/strategic aims, etc.  Thus, some portion of the
observed cosmic radiation represents the detritus of cosmic conflict.

Those who can, will.  Any possible destructive measure WILL be taken.
The best evidence AGAINST the possibility of time travel is that, if
time travel were possible, somebody WOULD have traveled back, mucked
around with the Big Bang, and prevented our universe from existing.
Mutual Assured Destruction doesn't get any more definite than that.

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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread ThePiedPiper


1) frozen bacteria has been found from impacted
asteroids.  That bacteria has evidently been
different enough that when integrated into
earth life forms it has changed us.

2) the brain is a parasite that the body
supports.  Why would some bacteria want us to
have it?  Could some bacteria support human
thinking and other types of bacteria think
that it would be better if the life form that
is capable of free movement and manipulating
things only lived 20 to 30 years and
Worked at it's bidding?
Are you human in control?

3) Telepathy
If it were possible for the eyes to see AND hear
would ears atrophy.  We seem to see because that
excites nerves (bacterial adaptation)
*read - excites bacteria
So this could imply
Plants evolved flowers
Could
they help evolve an adaptation to keep them alive
to appreciate plants / flowers.
Could the parasitic brain be a . . .
The appendix atrophied
If telepathy is not a human need
will it atrophy
Do we learn and develop more neural connections
telepathically
or
non - telepathically, will telepathy -
read empathy for non science fictions writer
atrophy?

The herd leader - Communist
seems more like a ant type society to me
and if that is what they say is a better society
ants have done it.
Are we descended from ??
or are we going to be replaced
by
ants?
The Pied Piper


David Sutherland wrote:

 Oh! Ahhm ... I see.

 I see that mommy forget to change junior's poohey nappy.

 So .  "nessie"?  Hmmm .. doesn't your name appear under a post below
 something about . Pft!!!  "elephant poop".

 Well thanks "nessie" but really, you could have spared us - need not have
 bothered with the shovel for this second pile.

 This would have to be the most pious piece holier-than-thou paranoid
 claptrap I've read on this list thus far.

 Your pious "study of the truth" - what - by condemning it! You sound like a
 complete control freak.

 Well, if for a moment you can lay aside your infantile B.S. and paranoia -
 the simple FACT is, that in the real world of the elite establishment - are
 you aware that people are discriminated against from such basic rights as
 employment for one example?

 This discrimination is not based on lack of ability, but on the basis that a
 person does not subscribe to a non-establishment view of the origins of life
 and its associated social engineering dogma - this to me, seems would be of
 concern to ANYONE on a - supposed "Conspiracy" forum.

 The fact that there are brave men and women out there - prepared to stick
 their necks on the line, not because they hold, or do not hold to a
 particular religious view, and as the article indicated - most did not, but
 rather, that they had the tenacity to simply state the truth as they saw
 it - even if contrary to the power and propaganda of the elites - this seems
 to have escaped your paranoid consensus reality and censorious mindset.

 Perhaps in future, you'd like to actually offer constructive rational
 argument rather than attempt to demonise every post that your bigoted little
 paranoiac bonehead disagrees with?

 And as far as spooks being on your paranoid delusional tail - I'm sure they
 have better things to do with their time than waste it on a silly prat like
 yourself - such as using the crapper - though on the other hand, the guys
 from your local funny-farm - well . I'd advise you to keep looking over your
 shoulder!

 And just for the record AGAIN - the majority of the quotes (would you like
 4,000 more - and referenced?) were from your own priestly elite - the
 Evolutionists themselves, stating unequivocally that there IS NO EMPIRICAL
 EVIDENCE for their own THEORY.

 The same E THEORY that Nazi Germany adopted to murder the weak, malformed,
 minorities, and the demonised so-called racially impure.

 The same E THEORY that your Social Engineers originally employed to
 majoritively, and racially target BLACK babies for abortive extermination.

 The same E THEORY that Hitler based his Master Race plan, and racial hatred
 on.

 The same E THEORY that hastened steps toward the Holocaust, and
 extermination of millions of Jews, and adopted by Nazi quacks to mutilate
 and torture their human subjects because they were lower on the E THEORY
 scale.

 The same E THEORY that promotes imperialist capitalist dog-eat-dog, survival
 of the fittest, and rapacious "progress" mentality to plunder the weak, and
 the poor, and rape weaker nations of their sovereignty and resources.

 The same E THEORY that led Ted Bundy to kill wantonly - writes Dr Loftus,
 "he rambled on once about hunters who stalked and killed deer and were never
 plagued by a guilty conscience. Why are we so moralistic, Bundy wanted to
 know, when it comes to human life? Why is a human life worth more than a
 deer's life?" [1] Now I wonder which E THEORY taught him that!

 So tell us Mr big shot guru of "Conspiracy Theories" - what "THEORY" drives
 your precious bogie man NEW WORLD ORDER - if not the same E THEORY that the

[CTRL] Pak-Pac


From
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary.asp?f=000419/263238

{{Begin}}
Wednesday, April 19, 2000
Playing the ethnic card in New York
Christopher Hitchens
National Post

In Edwin O' Connor's classic The Last Hurrah, which is the best pastiche of the
Tammany style that we have, the real-life figure of Mayor James Curley of
Boston is represented by one Frank Skeffington. Here he is, as he explains the
foreign-policy dimension of local elections: "When you come right down to it,
there are only two points that really count ..." Skeffington held up two
fingers. "One," he said, ticking the first. "All Ireland must be free. Two," he
said, ticking the second, "Trieste belongs to Italy. They count. At the moment,
the first counts more than the second, but that's only because the Italians
were a little slow in getting to the boats."

The playing of the ethnic card in New York City politics is often lazily
assumed to follow the stupid adage of that other great Bostonian Democrat,
Tip'O Neill, who remarked contentedly that "all politics is local." In fact, in
the Five Boroughs, much politics is global. Ward-heeler talk about "the three
Eyes" -- Ireland, Italy and Israel -- understates the way in which New York is
international. It also, in its traditionalism, overlooks the way in which Asian
and Middle Eastern influences have rewritten the score of West Side Story. It
has been alternately amusing and sickening to see Mrs. Clinton trying to
navigate these waters, sometimes in her simpering role as a newly-minted
upstate suburban housewife and sometimes in her more "strong woman" role as
First Lady and chief confidante.

Everyone remembers the same dual personality; the woman who claims that "Bill
and I talk all the time" (a shudder-making thought in itself) claims not to
have talked with him about the amnesty for Puerto Rican bombers. In rather the
same way, when her trip to Israel and occupied Palestinian territories turned
farcical, she was somehow deemed to be there as a private citizen rather than a
First Lady. This is a White House long used to replacing accountability with
deniability -- micro-management of everything from health care to welfare, but
total amnesia and inattention when things turn nasty -- so the quick-change
habit has become ingrained by now. My favourite example -- apart from the
fouled up why-was-I-not-told decision to attend the wrong St. Patrick's Day
parade -- was Mrs. Clinton's confusion between different cover-stories over her
famous cattle futures trade. She was pregnant with Chelsea at the time, she
fluttered, and too hormonal to think straight. Strong, independent woman or
self-pitying sob-sister?

Maybe both. The apparent surrender to global influence-peddling in the matter
of Pakistan has been allowed to die a media death. Remember when every liberal
knew how to sneer at George W. Bush, not only for forgetting the name of
Pakistan's new dictator but for saying that he seemed like a good guy? Well,
the General Musharraf regime has now hired, at a retainer of $22,500 (US) a
month, the DC law firm of Patton Boggs, for which Lanny Davis, one of the First
Family's chief apologists, toils. Perhaps for reasons having to do with the
separation of powers, Patton Boggs also collects $10,000 (US) monthly from Pak-
Pac, the Pakistani lobby in America, for Lanny Davis' services in its behalf.
Suddenly, no more Dem jokes about ignorance of Pakistan.

Last December, after Clinton announced that Pakistan would not be on his
itinerary when he visited the subcontinent, his former White House "special
counsel" arranged a fundraiser in Washington at which 37 lawyers from Patton
and Boggs contributed $24,000 (US) to the First Lady's Senate campaign. So, not
very indirectly, Pakistani military money was washed into her coffers from the
very start. Then in February, another Pak-Pac event in New York was brought
forward so as to occur before the arrangements for the president's passage to
India had been finalized. Having been told that the First Lady did not grace
any event for less than $50,000 (US) up front, the Pakistanis came up with the
dough and were handsomely rewarded for their trouble by the presence of Lanny
Davis and by a statement from Mrs. Clinton that she hoped her spouse would stop
off in Pakistan after all. And a few days later, he announced that, after much
cogitation, he would favour General Musharraf with a drop-by.

How does this look to you? One way of deciding it is to try the cover-stories
for size. "I wish I could say I had the influence and had applied the right
pressure for the president to visit Pakistan, but I didn't, so I can't" That's
Lanny Davis. Is this what he tells the Pakistanis in return for his large
stipend? "If anybody thinks they can influence the president by making a
contribution to me, they are dead wrong." That's Hillary Clinton. Is that what
she said at the Pak-Pac fundraiser?

One thing that strikes the eye is how cheap this is. And inexpensive, too. The

[CTRL] The Orwellian Memory Hole: Vanishing Archives

2000-04-20 Thread Richard Sampson


http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/mcelroy4.html

The Orwellian Memory Hole:
 Vanishing Archives

 by Wendy McElroy

  On Monday the 17th, I did a search for the name "Deming" in the archives
of
  The Oklahoma Daily  the Oklahoma University student newspaper  in
  order to download articles and letters-to-the-editor that were relevant to
an
  article I was writing. Professor David Deming has been the focus of
intense
  media attention due to the more than twenty harassment complaints filed
  against him as a result of a pro-Second Amendment letter he published in
  the student newspaper on February 21st. Deming had the hubris to compare
  unregistered handguns with unregistered vaginas in terms of the danger
  they both present to society. Accusations and rumors of lawsuits have
  ladened the academic air ever since.

  On Tuesday morning at about 2:00 a.m., I did a similar search on Demings
  name in order to confirm a date. The URLs were inaccessible. In their
place
  was the notice "The requested file is missing, and NetCloak could not find

  the defined error file." Going to the NetCloak website, I discovered that,

  "NetCloak is a way to hide links to confidential documents on your
  server. You can even hide portions of those pages down to a single
  character at a time."

  E-mails to three editors at The Oklahoma Daily about the possibility of
  technical difficulties produced no response. An exchange with Prof.
  Deming resulted in a typically generous assessment on his part: the glitch

  might be due to incompetence rather than deviousness. Yet the main
  incompetence seems to be that the staff left a "NetCloak" error message on

  the site that is awkward to explain away. Hopefully, the newsletter will
  correct the oversight rather than merely hide references to "NetCloak."

  Regrettably, Deming is not a lone target. A PC pattern of purging
  conservative views from student newspapers seems to be spreading across
  American campuses. The last time my access to controversial articles
  suddenly disappeared was a little over a week ago while I was researching
  the dismissal of columnist Jason Van Dyke from Michigan State
  Universitys The State News. Van Dyke was fired for writing a column
  entitled "Movement teaches tolerance hypocritically" (04/03/00). In it, he

  excoriated gay rights advocates for being intolerant and inconsistent in
  their call for diversity. Certainly they did not allow the diversity
  represented by white male heterosexuals. Van Dyke knew this for a fact. He

  had drawn fire previously for his refusal to comply with a "voluntary"
  sensitivity program that declared elevators and cafeteria tables in his
  residence hall to be "for blacks" or "for gays" only.

  Instead of applauding his refusal to be victimized by discriminatory
  practices, gays and feminists had condemned him for insensitivity. The day

  after Van Dykes column on gay intolerance appeared, The State News
  published a letter from a gay rights advocate who threatened Van Dyke
  with the MSU Anti-Discrimination Policy. In turn, Van Dyke threatened to
  countersue.

  Abruptly, none of the links to Van Dykes material on The State News
  worked. In a phone conversation with Opinions Editor Dan Macklin, I
  inquired about access to one article that I had neglected to download
after
  reading it a few days prior. He assured me that if the article existed 
and
  he would not confirm that it did  then it would be in the archives. The
  search I had conducted a few hours earlier had produced no results. In an
  e-mail, Van Dyke explained why. "That is because they took the URL
  offline," he stated. "However, I have the URL because they did not
actually
  delete the file from their webspace." I downloaded the piece from the URL
  provided by Van Dyke. On all other matters, Macklin refused to comment
  "for legal reasons." A promised call from the main editor of The State
News
  never materialized.

  In response to the suppression of his biweekly column, Van Dyke is
  constructing a new website called The Potatoe. Its mission statement
  declares, "This website is being created in response to the recent firing
of
  conservative columnists in college news publications across the country.
  Our goal is to provide a forum for conservative columnists to have their
  work published" It also features Bill Barnwell. The Potatoe states,
  "Barnwell wrote for The South End (Wayne State Universitys student
  newspaper) during the spring semester of his sophomore year, when his
  columns appeared as often as twice a week. Ironically, Bill was fired from

  The South End under the same

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nighttime Gardeners Guide!

YEAH ... i eat them!

YUUMMMEE!!!

- Original Message -
From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:35 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Nighttime Gardeners Guide!

 Some people whine about the danges of geneticically engineered crops.
 Other people DO something about it.

  -- nessie

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

io: some Republicans might survive.
  Bother. http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Apr/20/pa_west/PFBI20.htm

# WACO LEAK FOUND: http://news.excite.com/news/pr/000419/tx-the-news-texas
# Reno On Waco, Using Force: http://newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/4/19/232037
# Davidians hope a new church can close wounds on 7th anniversary of fire -
  dedication, remembrance: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9705822
# Wacos Endless Questions: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9703954

# Plan to track foreign students criticized. (GNS) Immigration officials are
  readying a $43 million computerized system to track all 500,000 foreign
  students in the US under a program inspired by the 1993 terrorist bombing
  of the World Trade Center. http://usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncstue16.htm

: Have you kidnapped/embargoed/burnt/shot any hostages lately? Are hostages
expendable? Are you? Does your conspiracy plan hostage situations? Would you
rather just blow stuff up? Are you being tracked by a counter-conspiracy??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Littleton'R'Us:

# Threats Close Several Schools. (AP) Classes in some schools around the US
  were canceled today because of threats of violence on the anniversary of
  the Columbine High School shootings. Epidemic of fear paralyzes nation:
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2420/us/columbine_school_threats_1.html

# COLUMBINE +1: FEAR/SORROW ENDURE www.CNN.com/2000/US/04/20/columbine.01.ap
# Lawsuit alleges Columbine victim killed by sheriff's department bullet -
  died close to safety: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/04/19/columbine.lawsuit/
# Columbine update -- blaming the cops - it's always their fault, eh?
  http://salon.com/news/feature/2000/04/20/columbine/print.html

# On Columbine Anniversary, Kids Still Lack Violence Education. A year after
  the massacre at Columbine High School, a study finds that public school
  districts have policies against violence but few actually teach kids how
  to prevent it. http://sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/04/000417164315.htm

# Columbine tragedy remembered: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711830
# Columbine: Crosses And Blame: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711195
# Should Columbine Be Forgiven? http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9709332
# New School for Young Shooter: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711450

# Reasons for cursing vary. Oh, damn! Oh, hell! Oh, shit! You've heard these
  words before; they're cuss words. Cussing in the United States is a common
  thing. People cuss at sporting events, after an injury, or on television
  trying to be funny. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/000419/odd-275
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[CTRL] FW: Doctors cause cancer

2000-04-20 Thread Dave

Dave Hartley
http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave

-Original Message-
From: Bernie Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:35 AM
To: homeopathy related account
Subject: [H] Doctors cause cancer

The following is an excerpt fro Rachel's Weekly, an environmentalist
email newsletter.

 Gofman developed a novel approach: he found disease statistics for the
 entire U.S. population, broken down into 9 census districts (1940 to
 1990 for cancer, and 1950 to 1990 for coronary heart disease). Then he
 correlated these disease statistics, year by year, to the number of
 physicians per 100,000 population in each of the 9 census
 districts. [...] Gofman shows that cancer death rates RISE in
 lock-step with increasing density of physicians in a census district,
 while non-cancer deaths DECLINE in lock-step with increasing density
 of physicians per 100,000 population EXCEPT in the case of coronary
 heart disease (CHD), which follows the rising pattern of cancer.

The claim is that unnecessary X-rays cause cancer and heart disease,
but I think it more likely that allopathic suppression in general
causes these diseases.

Back issues of Rachel's Weekly are available at http://www.rachel.org

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[CTRL] Defending Nessie was The MYTH of EVOLUTION

2000-04-20 Thread Tenorlove


--- David Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh! Ahhm ... I see.

 I see that mommy forget to change junior's poohey nappy.

 So .  "nessie"?  Hmmm .. doesn't your name appear under a post below
 something about . Pft!!!  "elephant poop".

I don't agree with Nessie on a lot of things, but he is one of the
better arguers on this list, and I've never seen him flame anybody. He
attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea. This kind of ad
hominem attack has no place on a serious discussion list. It feeds the
"divide and conquer" strategy of the conspirators, and it undermines
the credibility of both the person posting it and the list as a whole.

Tenorlove

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Fight Internet Taxation]

2000-04-20 Thread Bard



--
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To All Elected Officials:
  "Stop stealing my earnings that you use to give to those you know will vote for you."

There's not a dime bit of difference between a DemoRat and a RepubRat,
they're simply two wings of the same bird of prey which pecks at your
earnings to sap your strength to survive.

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You can help by forwarding our web site address,
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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

2000-04-20 Thread Dano


No religion nor science here...just common sense.
As I read the Origin of Species, I quickly realized what
Darwin was explaining is micro evolution. Adaptation, as well
as natural selection neither of which provide a satisfactory
explanation how we go from microorganisms to complex, so-called,
higher life forms...Macro evolution.

So what we got here are two diametrically opposing views:

 creationism vs. evolution

It is painfully obvious that BOTH lack sufficient detail
to ascertain accuracy.

There are 3 sides to every story, your's, mine and the truth.

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Re: [CTRL] Defending Nessie?


I'm not going to comment on what was said to the person in question, but the
reciever of the remark is certainly no babe in the woods in the art of
flamage. I've been at the recieving end and so have others been. But I don't
agree with what has been said by the accused either, but it's not a matter
the terrible David attacking the wonderful nessie, that's for sure. No
sainthood looming for any of us.

Tara

Tenorlove said:
I don't agree with Nessie on a lot of things, but he is one of the
better arguers on this list, and I've never seen him flame anybody. He
attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea. This kind of ad
hominem attack has no place on a serious discussion list. It feeds the
"divide and conquer" strategy of the conspirators, and it undermines
the credibility of both the person posting it and the list as a whole.

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[CTRL] [BCPolitics] The Secrets of Machine Psychology. (fwd)

2000-04-20 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [BCPolitics] The Secrets of Machine Psychology.

As I just posted in reply to Charles, I think the capabilities of AI are
far, far beyond what the public knows and what you will find in the
conventional annals of computing science departments. How might we find
out what the best of AI could do? One way would be to ask a number of
world experts from different specializations the right questions. These
aren't the questions usually asked on a tv talk show because they have to
be crafted to 'get at' certain findings. It is like detective work. The
detective forms a picture to solve the mystery and then knows what to
look for in order to check it out.
   I am not going to spell out the picture or gestalt that I have now. One
reason is that it would spoil the mystery just as it would spoil a
detective show if you tell everyone 'who done it'. Suffice it to say that
in "The AI Case" I think the public and most of the professionals are
missing the proverbial forest for the trees.
   One of the implications of that AI picture as I have it is of course
military. If this much AI power exists now, the major militaries of the
world must have the hardware and software power in their secret projects.
They can't afford not to have it. And it is compact! You could put the
whole operation (hardware and software) in one room. Those operating that
room could put the details of the hardware and software on disks, walk out
with it and blow up the room. Then they could rebuild down the
street. This kind of weaponry is easier to hide than Saddam's bio-weapons.
What countries could have such advanced AI in their militaries? Try China,
Russia, US, Germany, France, UK, Japan for starters.
   Some people will say, You shouldn't talk about this in public. Don't
open Pandora's Box. If the civilian sector doesn't do so, however, it
could lose its freedom to the military sector without even knowing
it. I don't know if it was Professor Warwick or his publisher who called
for a moratorium on "intelligent machines" for the book, "March of the
Machines". Rest assured though that the militaries don't comply with such
moratoriums any more than they complied with moratoriums on
bio-weapons. They can't afford to not do so. Those people in the media
and public education have a duty to tell the public what the best is that
AI could do, right now...and into the near future.
   If the public remains ignorant it loses the civilian benefits too.
Of course it is easy to "hype" this kind of stuff. But I have no
interest in fantasy-land, science-fiction renditions. They are worth as
much as their pocket book story tellers at a garage sale. I want the
public to know EXACTLY what the experts are saying and can prove about AI.
AI at its most capable, with all the dots connected so we can see the big
picture and manage it like responsible citizens. Part of the reason these
secrets are kept is because of the new class war: technolords
vs. technopeasants. Billionaires are conservative. After all they've 'got
it made' as long as the status quo is maintained. So the AI billionaires
ring the alarm bells about 'giving fire to mortals' (the fire of AI) while
they keep the secrets to themselves for self-serving purposes.
   All that I am going to say right now is that when we get that two hour
documentary out to the public, the world is going to look like a very
different place. Guaranteed. Ever think of "Windows" as the new opiate of
the masses? Complete with its "icons" (which my dictionary defines as
religious symbols)? Every moron with a mouse can be duped into thinking he
has high technology in hand as long as he can "surf the web". Windows
isn't even the crumbs from the table of high technology.
FWP.

http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology.htm

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[CTRL] International Ban on Bioweapons Is Failing


From The Salt Lake Tribune,
http://www.sltrib.com/04202000/utah/42724.htm
-

International Ban on Bioweapons Is Failing, Scientist Says
 Thursday, April 20, 2000

BY LEE SIEGEL
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

   A 25-year-old treaty has failed to halt proliferation of biological
weapons, and the United States has little defense against germ or
toxin warfare by terrorists or rogue nations, an expert told Utah
researchers.
"If there were a bioweapons attack, we wouldn't know about it
until many people were exposed or sick," said physician-physicist Al
Zelicoff, a
senior scientist at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico.
Until last year, Zelicoff spent nine years advising the U.S.
negotiators seeking better enforcement of the Biological Weapons Convention.
He
said the 145-nation treaty to ban biological weapons took effect in 1975.
Enforcing the treaty "probably is pretty hopeless," Zelicoff told
150 people Tuesday at the University of Utah's Eccles Institute of Human
Genetics. "It's frightening. It keeps me up at night a lot."
He added: "On a dollar-per-death basis, there's nothing cheaper
than biological weapons," which are easy to make, store and hide.
Zelicoff said the best hope for stopping proliferation of
bioweapons is to improve international monitoring of unusual disease
outbreaks so
doctors also detect accidents, tests or attacks with microbes or
germ-produced
toxins.
"You detect it in the developmental stages of a biological weapons
program . . . then you punish the offender" by retaliating with
sanctions or military attacks, Zelicoff said.
In a successful U.S.-funded test of cooperative disease
monitoring, doctors at three New Mexico hospitals and a Russian nuclear lab
hospital tracked cases of the liver disease hepatitis C during 1996-1999, he
said.
Similar tracking of influenza and hepatitis C is planned between
U.S. researchers and former bioweapons facilities in Kazakhstan and Russia.
Zelicoff said New Mexico, San Francisco and Russian doctors are
establishing a real-time system for reporting six syndromes -- such as
flu-like
illness or skin rashes with fever --to determine normal levels and thus
detect
increases due to bioweapons attacks.
Although smallpox was eradicated from humans in 1980, Zelicoff
supported the Clinton administration's 1999 decision to maintain remaining
U.S.
smallpox cultures so antiviral drugs or vaccines can be developed if
someone ever uses the virus as a weapon.
"We have absolutely no defense against this," Zelicoff said. "The
most stupid single thing we could do is destroy existing stocks."
U. geneticist David Grunwald replied that if nations maintain
germ-warfare agents for defense purposes, "they can easily be used
for an offensive capability," and the result could be "mutual destruction,"
not deterrence.
The United States and Russia have the only known smallpox
cultures. The U.S. and Russian stance for retaining smallpox cultures defied
the
World Health Organization, which wants them eliminated to prevent smallpox
from getting into the environment or falling into evil hands -- such as
terrorists aiming at Salt Lake City's 2002 Winter Games.
"One cannister of smallpox in Olympic Village would be a complete
disaster," said Merle Sande, internal medicine chairman at the U.
Nations believed to have bioweapons include North Korea, Libya,
Iraq, Iran, Syria, Israel, China, Taiwan and Cuba, Zelicoff said.
The former Soviet Union made smallpox its main bioweapon and also
produced tons of anthrax, leading to a deadly 1979 outbreak the
Soviets initially blamed on tainted meat, he said.
Difficulty enforcing the treaty is illustrated by the existence of
around 4,000 sites in Russia that "could brew up enough anthrax or
staphylococcal enterotoxin to create a bad day in any big city," said
Zelicoff.
He said that before the treaty, the favorite U.S. bioweapon was
staphylococcal enterotoxin B. Distributed in spray tanks and artillery
shells, the poison was meant to sicken soldiers, not kill. "It just
makes you wish you were dead," Zelicoff said.
He believes all U.S. offensive bioweapons were buried in 1969.
"Until 1974, the CIA maintained a small cache of biological
weapons for assassination purposes," he added. "Those are supposed to be
gone."

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Re: [CTRL] Dominatrix Pig Pen? Oi Veh!

2000-04-20 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley


On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, David Sutherland wrote:

 OINK!!!

  Twice if you lhuuuv moi!

 RITPPL!!! (rolling in the pig pen laughing!)

One of my philosophy professors (Tennyson) became famous in the 60's with
a series of papers on "suification" (from the pig call
s). "Happiness Is For The Pigs" was his seminal work.
The Americans at U of A didn't like his reminder that he got the idea from
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".
FWP.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #4


SkeptiNews 000420d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/19_04_2000.html
* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* Site of latest notices, excuses, news/views: http://skeptilog.pitas.com
* No [expletive deleted] were [censored] to produce this [illegible]. None.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Correction: http://surfingtheapocalypse.com/Graphics/dancingalienbaby.gif
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# I, robot. Will self-replicating robots rule us? Will we become hybrids,
  part human and part machine? Such questions no longer come from fanatics
  and fearmongers http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/107/focus/I_robot+.shtml

# Your Future Foretold by a Horse! More Psychic than Nostradamus,
  Able to out-spoon-bend Uri Geller, It's the Psychic Horse. Sees
  all, knows all, tells all: http://www.whimsica.com/psychichorse.htm

# UK Tomato Growers Make Beeline for Feng Shui Advice. LONDON. Tomato
  growers have turned to the ancient Chinese art of feng shui in the
  hope of producing a bumper crop to compete against cheaper imports.
  Rotsa ruck, guys: http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/n_fengsh.htm

: How cybernetic/human/spiritual/unreal is your organism? Have you hit upon
the right mix yet? Are you working on having a better future? What will you/
it be like? Is your future better foretold by robots, cyborgs, psychics, me?

@ Luke Skywalker is gay? Heard the naughty rumors about Capt. Kirk
  and Mr. Spock? http://slate.msn.com/Features/fanfic/fanfic.asp
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Watch This Space And Win Bigger Breasts. VIENNA (Reuters) An Austrian
  television station is offering women a breast enlargement operation
  in a bid to boost viewing numbers for its tabloid program. The
  booby-prize: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000420/08/odd-breasts

# Scientists Rewire Visual Function of the Brain. (Reuters) Scientists have

  rewired the visual input of young animals to a part of the brain normally
  used for hearing, demonstrating a versatility of function that might some
  day lead to treatments for brain damage and blindness. Won't help stupid-
  ity tho: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2419/sc/science_brain_1.html

# Research Into Our Sixth Sense - What colour is this woman thinking of?
  Déjà vu, precognition:  http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/p_sixth.htm
@ "As far above us as we are above the amoeba" http://caus.org/mc042000.htm

: Are your sensory organs well-organized? Do they need rewiring? Would you
like to have your senses rewired, just for the entertainment value? Will you
become a better person? Will you have bigger tits? Will you think of colors?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Skeptics Take Aim at Alien Abductions. Minneapolis - Life would be more
  exciting if science lightened up a bit. Elvis Presley could croon at the
  White House. ETs could stalk the aisles at 7-Eleven. Martians could carve
  giant stone faces on their planet to keep watch on those pesky Earthlings.
  It's almost too bad these events don't happen, because pseudoscience can
  be lots more fun than real science. www.farshore.force9.co.uk/n_skept0.htm

# Ghosts Are Real. The movie "The Sixth Sense" is now fascinating audiences
  all around the world with its story of a child who can see dead people.
  But it's only a movie. Valerie Dean is a Johannesburg psychic who can not
  only see ghosts but also talks to them. Her ability was tested by the
  South Africa Society for the Study of the Paranormal and she was given
  an A-Plus rating. http://www.farshore.force9.co.uk/saghost1.htm

: D'ya prefer real science, psuedo-science, Christian Science, creation sci-
ence, computer science, political science? Is any discipline with 'science'
in its name a bogosity/religion/superstition? Has Elvis left the building??

@ I KISS YOU! I like travel I go 3-4 planets every month. I went Earth, Ska-
  ro, Peladon,Axos, Galifrey, Skonnos, Ravalox, Vortis, Sense-sphere, Telos,
  Mars, Exarius,Tara, Manussa, Benidorm. I like sex. I like to be friendship
  from different planet. I live in TARDIS -many times ...( all galaxies -
  often earth - much history)... http://www.angelfire.com/nt/mahirwho/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Medical scanner shows dino heart. (BBC) The first ever fossilised dinosaur
  heart has been discovered by scientists in the US. Ya gotta have heart,
  eh? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_72/720871.stm

TurbDino: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_259000/259902.stm
# Caught in their tracks (BBC) http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711994
# Giant found in dino graveyard http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9711995
# Rethinking the Dinosaur (ABC) http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9712085

# LOST TRIBES FOUND. The Lost Tribes of Israel have all been located and
  accounted for. Sent into exile nearly 3,000 years ago, descendents of
  the

Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family

From: Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kris c/o Conspiracy Theory Research List.
Date: Thurs, April 20, 2000
Subject: Reply: [CRTL] Behind The Bushes: Chronology of a Family:

Kris:

I read the post very carefully. One question I have is If this Material was
Published back in 1992 as Political Campaign Info. Then how can the
"Newer" material from 1992 to Present be associated with the 1992
Original Publication? A side issue, where did the information come from
that claimed the "Hertiage Groups Nationalities Council" had members
in it that supported the Nazi Party? Since I am from that period of History
and knew people in the "Republican Party" assoiciated with the "Group".
And to my knowledge they were Not in Any Way supportive of any Socialist
 - Nazi politics. I would like to know the Truth. And what the "writer's"
sources
were as they were not listed in this article. I am Independent Politically
and
wonder if this info is coming to surface because Bush is running for
President.
From a Fellow Conservative Patriot.
~ Mike ~

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[CTRL] Dulce video info needed

2000-04-20 Thread Nicola Molloy


Hi all,

Does anybody know anything about a Dulce video that is available please?
Chris is a documentary maker in UK and any info would be really
appreciated, thanks. His email address is below.  Not heard much lately
about the incubators at Dulce but have read Branton, Commander X and
Katarina Wilsons stuff. They are supposed to be cloning people there or
doing hybrids. If anyone knows of any more info online too that would be
great.

Thanks
Nicky




I would like to research a little more about the Dulce video tape which
shows 'incubators' in a strange facility with no windows... do you have
a
full version of the footage - do you know someone who can give me some
concise up to date info about the origins of this tape?

Chris
www.enigmatv.com


 Chris Everard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thu, Apr 20, 2000, 4:49 AM

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Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family


My take is that the complete article in an update of a piece that appeared in
print in the Progressive in 1992. At the end of the article on the current
cited web site, gives a copyright of 2000. The editor doesn't get continuity
points? For sources I would contact the website.

As far as Bush family Nazi contacts, there are many.  The Farish family for
one. Also George HW's daddy Prescott was caught "trading with enemy"[Nazis]
during WWII.

Om
K

In a message dated 4/20/00 4:57:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From: Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Kris c/o Conspiracy Theory Research List.

Date: Thurs, April 20, 2000

Subject: Reply: [CRTL] Behind The Bushes: Chronology of a Family:



Kris:



I read the post very carefully. One question I have is If this Material
was

Published back in 1992 as Political Campaign Info. Then how can the

"Newer" material from 1992 to Present be associated with the 1992

Original Publication? A side issue, where did the information come from

that claimed the "Hertiage Groups Nationalities Council" had members

in it that supported the Nazi Party? Since I am from that period of History

and knew people in the "Republican Party" assoiciated with the "Group".

And to my knowledge they were Not in Any Way supportive of any Socialist

 - Nazi politics. I would like to know the Truth. And what the "writer's"

sources

were as they were not listed in this article. I am Independent Politically

and

wonder if this info is coming to surface because Bush is running for

President.

From a Fellow Conservative Patriot.

~ Mike ~
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End

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Re: [CTRL] NOT Defending Nessie - The MYTH of EVOLUTION


I assume by "this kind of ad hominem" you are obviously referring to
"nessie".

Since in my initial post I merely stated facts in scientist own words, and
did not direct anything toward any particular individual and so was not in
anyway that "kind of ad hominem" that you speak of - until "nessie" decided
s/his"kind of ad hominem" tact was s/his preferred modus operandi for
discourse.

You must surely have read s/his "kind of ad hominem" prior to my response?

Which makes it kind of oddball that you did not respond to s/his "kind of ad
hominem" for it did stay on the board for quite some hours before I sent my
erudite repartee.

Which is doubly oddball - as there have been numerous other posts, using
rather even more exuberant language here, but we do not see your holiness
pontificating with, what would have been more proper - a general post to all
with a plea for peace and unity and loving kindness - rather it is
particularized "kind of ad hominem" at moi's post - perhaps whatever is in
your craw with moi, you may now remove it, and we can get on with issues?

Thankx! E ... BTW - would you like ME to post a general request for a
more kinder, gentler, and softer cyber society?

As to "serious" h  society is "serious" enough imo ... I'll leave
the "serious" to the seriously petrified farts of seriousness.

And this forum - after all, is but one of a million boards on the Net -
anyone that takes these forums THAT seriously should, for their own mental
well beings sake - probably NOT be on them.

@(*o*)@
Go Kiss a Koala - Watch the Chlamydia!!!


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 --- David Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oh! Ahhm ... I see.
 
  I see that mommy forget to change junior's poohey nappy.
 
  So .  "nessie"?  Hmmm .. doesn't your name appear under a post below
  something about . Pft!!!  "elephant poop".

 I don't agree with Nessie on a lot of things, but he is one of the
 better arguers on this list, and I've never seen him flame anybody. He
 attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea. This kind of ad
 hominem attack has no place on a serious discussion list. It feeds the
 "divide and conquer" strategy of the conspirators, and it undermines
 the credibility of both the person posting it and the list as a whole.

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Re: [CTRL] NOT Defending Nessie?

Well thanks for the balanced response Tara - and truth be told, I guess I am
one of those rare animals that will defend itself when attacked. (GGG)

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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Defending Nessie?

 I'm not going to comment on what was said to the person in question, but
the
 reciever of the remark is certainly no babe in the woods in the art of
 flamage. I've been at the recieving end and so have others been. But I
don't
 agree with what has been said by the accused either, but it's not a matter
 the terrible David attacking the wonderful nessie, that's for sure. No
 sainthood looming for any of us.

 Tara

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 I don't agree with Nessie on a lot of things, but he is one of the
 better arguers on this list, and I've never seen him flame anybody. He
 attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea. This kind of ad
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Re: [CTRL] Mind Control Movie Disturbing Behavior

2000-04-20 Thread Samantha L.


  I just tuned in to a 1998 teen horror flick about mind control,
psychosurgery/neurosurgery, implants and brainwashing in high school kids.
It's pretty good.

  I searched the CTRL archives and only saw one reference to it in a post
talking about another movie.  It's called "Disturbing Behavior."

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Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family


Operation "Paperclip" - also funelled top Nazi scientists into the service
of the US - and many Nazis found new employ in US Intelligence.

As part of the campaign for the Plebiscite on the Saar region in 1935,
Goebbels ministry set up a religious intelligence organisation in Geneva. It
was called "Pro Deo", and was used to bombard German clergy with propaganda
about the Jews and Bolshevics. In later years the HQ was transfered to
Portugal and During WW2 from Portugal to New York, by a certain Bill
Donovan, ably assisted by Allen Dulles (a senior SOE operative in Europe
during WW2). "Pro Deo" was, and continues to be operated by Roman Catholic
priests and is known these days as the "Vatican Intelligence Agency".

When Mussolini was sacked by his own Fascist council, and German Forces
occupied Rome, certain German Officers suggested at a Nazi cabinet meeting
that the "Vatican should be smoked out". Goebbels, Himmler and Hitler were
immediately horrified by the idea - there was within the Nazi elite an
extreme reverence for the Pope.

In 1921 the greatest fear of Great Britain and the US was Bolshevism, a fear
shared by the Vatican (instrumental in granting to Hitler his enabling act).
The equating to Bolshevism a hidden conspiracy by Jews was actively promoted
by Britain and the US, and fed to Eastern European populations, including
Germany, where anti-semitism was a norm not understood in present times.

Very early on, Goebbels noted in his diaries that Germany was being prepared
and propelled into a "Crusade" against the Soviet Union, and was extremely
suspicious of diplomatic deals that seemed to indicate to him that a "double
cross" was intended by the west. But that is incidental.

In conclusion, your thesis is worthy of close consideration. The equating of
Jewry with Bolshevism, and the bombarding of the Nazis with this propaganda
from the West helped reinforce the Nazi mindset of a Jewish conspiracy.
Jewish efforts to counter it, merely added fuel to the fire. And the
activities of the Church of Rome in the midst of these intrigues is highly
questionable, and until recently was a closely guarded secret.

As a footnote on Bill Donovan and Allen Dulles - and their links to Pro Deo,
is that in 1945 a certain General Ghelen, head of a German Intelligence arm,
run seperately from the Abwher, as a "black ops" outfit against the Soviet
Union, was granted immunity by US intelligence, and a deal was struck. In
exchange for the provision of information, and a continuity of operations in
Europe, the whole of Ghelen's organisation was absorbed into US intelligence
after WW2, complete with all its administration, records, training officers
etc. This organisation, together with its former Nazi officers and
operatives became the core of a new agency in the US formed by the 1948
National Security Act - its new name, the CIA . . .

Its hardly surprising therefore that there would today be many
"missing-links" unearthed in the US / NAZI connexus including Herr Bush's.


- Original Message -
From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family


 My take is that the complete article in an update of a piece that appeared
in
 print in the Progressive in 1992. At the end of the article on the current
 cited web site, gives a copyright of 2000. The editor doesn't get
continuity
 points? For sources I would contact the website.

 As far as Bush family Nazi contacts, there are many.  The Farish family
for
 one. Also George HW's daddy Prescott was caught "trading with
enemy"[Nazis]
 during WWII.

 Om
 K

 In a message dated 4/20/00 4:57:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 To: Kris c/o Conspiracy Theory Research List.
 
 Date: Thurs, April 20, 2000
 
 Subject: Reply: [CRTL] Behind The Bushes: Chronology of a Family:
 
 
 
 Kris:
 
 
 
 I read the post very carefully. One question I have is If this Material
 was
 
 Published back in 1992 as Political Campaign Info. Then how can the
 
 "Newer" material from 1992 to Present be associated with the 1992
 
 Original Publication? A side issue, where did the information come from
 
 that claimed the "Hertiage Groups Nationalities Council" had members
 
 in it that supported the Nazi Party? Since I am from that period of
History
 
 and knew people in the "Republican Party" assoiciated with the "Group".
 
 And to my knowledge they were Not in Any Way supportive of any Socialist
 
  - Nazi politics. I would like to know the Truth. And what the "writer's"
 
 sources
 
 were as they were not listed in this article. I am Independent
Politically
 
 and
 
 wonder if this info is coming to surface because Bush is running for
 
 President.
 
 From a Fellow Conservative Patriot.
 
 ~ Mike ~
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 Aloha, He'Ping,
 Om, Shalom, Salaam.
 Em Hotep, Peace Be,
 All My Relations.
 Omnia Bona Bonis,
 Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
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[CTRL] BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI?


===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY===

  April 20, 2000


BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI?
Posted By: Rayelan
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2000, at 8:02 p.m.

In Response To: APRIL 19TH -THE MEMORIAL TO THE OCCULT (Rumor Mill
News)


Re: the information you about the Illuminati symbolism in the OKC
ceremony that Clinton and Reno attended. I believe it is true.

Today I heard that Clinton ordered Reno to take the boy -- If I
remember the wording he used right before Waco -- it was similar to
what he said today --

I think there is going to be a bloodbath tonight at Elian's uncles
house -- Clinton and company don't care if they kill everyone in the
house and the surrounding vicinities --

If Jeb Bush dosen't step in and use whatever Florida cops he has --
This will doom brother GW's chances -- Jeb has to make it look like
he is trying to do something to stop Clinton -- Gore has already
begun turning against Clinton. Gore wants Elian to have his day in
court. If Clinton attacks the Miami uncle and the Cuban community
surrounding his house -- Clinton will succeed in winning the election
for Al Gore.

Evidently this is the deal Clinton has made with Gore to stay out of
jail -- in other words -- when Gore said he won't pardon Clinton --
last week he meant it -- but this week, Clinton has told Gore that if
Gore pardons him and chooses Hillary as he VP he will set up an
incident in which Jeb Bush and therefore G.W. will bear the brunt of
the anger from the Cuban community.

My source said that if I didn't believe this scenario to just watch
what Gore will do to distance himself from Clinton... or appear to
distance himself.

My source also told me that David Koresh was offering to cooperate
and come out -- right before they were all murdered -- He said that
Elian's uncle is sounding the same way David Koresh sounded. In other
words, my source thinks the uncle is going to be murdered. He said it
didn't matter one way or the other what happens to Elian -- that all
the possibilities have been covered --

If Elian survives and is sent back -- the cuban community invades
Cuba

If Elian is killed -- then the Cuban American community's anger is
turned on Washington DC, JEb Bush -- and lastly -- Castro.

I have a very bad feeling about what might happen tonight -- my
source told me that Clinton has orchestrated the entire Elian affair -
- this is in keeping with the source who said that everyone on the
boat -- except the two agents and elian were murdered -- my source
told me today that Clinton is trying to make peace with Cuba --
anyway he can -- because that is the only thing he thinks he can
leave as a legacy -- my source says that Clinton is doing this on his
own without sanctions from the NWO --

However -- I wonder if this is accurate -- it appears to me that
there is some sort of sacrifice getting ready to happen tonight --
and sacrifices are definitely NWO -- maybe they are going to use
Clinton's "Elian Rescue Mission" as their sacrifice -- maybe Clinton
is so stupid he doesn't realize how he is being used -- but I doubt
this -- I think he knows exactly what he is doing and has covered all
bases this time.

If Elian is killed in a raid tonight -- We will be at war -- The
American Cubans will take out Clinton -- which is what Fidel wants --
that way Gore can become president -- Hillary likes this solution
because she will be VP -- then the first female president.

The Communist Cubans will launch a war on the United States -- but
this war will come through central American and Mexico --

FoxNews ran a piece today about the organiztion that wants to throw
out all the illegal aliens from their land -- Atzlan is their land --
Atzlan is made up of CA --NV-- UT--AZ-- NM -- and TX

These people are very big on over 100 college campuses -- They hate
white Europeans -- I think that even includes the Spanish -- they
believe they are Aztec and all of this land belonged to the Aztecs --

I was talking about this to my source -- who told me that the entire
Aztlan "myth" was made up about 30 years ago. It is nothing but
fiction -- There were never Aztecs in this area -- there would be
archeological evidence if there had been.

My source told me we have a three prong attack getting ready -- And
if Elian is taken by force tonight -- tonight will be the start of
it.

He said that there are many camps in Florida that have been training
Cuban expatriots for the invasion of Cuba. He also said that there
are so many different agendas at work here -- Clinton's -- Castro's --
 China's -- The Bush Family -- The Miami Cuban Community -- the old
Cuban Mafia --

Any and everything could and will go wrong if Clinton tries to take
Elian by force. It will be worse than Waco. It will be like the MOVE
tragedy where the entire city block was bombed and burned.

If G. W. Bush wants to win the presidency, he had better clue his
younger and dumber brother into what is going on. Jeb is going to
have to ring the entire area with the

Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family

2000-04-20 Thread Linda Minor

See attached file for more than you could possibly want to know about the
elder Bush's backers in his younger days.  Footnotes available on request.

-Original Message-
From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEHIND THE BUSHES: Chronology of a family

My take is that the complete article in an update of a piece that appeared
in
print in the Progressive in 1992. At the end of the article on the current
cited web site, gives a copyright of 2000. The editor doesn't get
continuity
points? For sources I would contact the website.

As far as Bush family Nazi contacts, there are many.  The Farish family for
one. Also George HW's daddy Prescott was caught "trading with enemy"[Nazis]
during WWII.

Om
K

In a message dated 4/20/00 4:57:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

From: Mike mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Kris c/o Conspiracy Theory Research List.

Date: Thurs, April 20, 2000

Subject: Reply: [CRTL] Behind The Bushes: Chronology of a Family:

Kris:

I read the post very carefully. One question I have is If this Material
was

Published back in 1992 as Political Campaign Info. Then how can the

"Newer" material from 1992 to Present be associated with the 1992

Original Publication? A side issue, where did the information come from

that claimed the "Hertiage Groups Nationalities Council" had members

in it that supported the Nazi Party? Since I am from that period of
History

and knew people in the "Republican Party" assoiciated with the "Group".

And to my knowledge they were Not in Any Way supportive of any Socialist

 - Nazi politics. I would like to know the Truth. And what the "writer's"

sources

were as they were not listed in this article. I am Independent Politically

and

wonder if this info is coming to surface because Bush is running for

President.

From a Fellow Conservative Patriot.

~ Mike ~
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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[CTRL] Think that census form is nosy? Try ancient Rome (fwd)


Sure, telling the government if you have "complete" plumbing
facilities in your house may seem intrusive. Or revealing if
anyone in your family has difficulty dressing, bathing, and
getting around.

But imagine a census worker at your door asking you to lift up
your shirt to reveal the number of scars on your body, or to
expose your nose to precise measurement.

Robed enumerators in ancient Rome posed exactly those questions,
along with "how many live in this home," more than 2,000 years
ago.

As the deadline for Americans to hand in their Census form
arrives, criticism is echoing from Congress to Kalamazoo about
the intrusiveness of some of the queries. Some of this may be
because a few of the questions do seem intrusive. Some of it may
be because Americans have always harbored a penchant for privacy
and a suspicion of government.

But, in fact, public uneasiness with telling the government
personal, mundane, perhaps even asinine details about oneself and
one's household has a history that predates Jesus.

And while it may be little solace to those who still don't see
the rationale for revealing the length of their daily commute,
census counters over the centuries have learned a few things
about what questions to ask and how to ask them.

In Los Angeles, some enumerators have been trained how to ask
questions in gang territory and get out in one piece.

And just remember, no one today is being asked to take the tape
measure to his or her proboscis.

"The great census in Palestine that is referred to in Luke and
associated with the birth of Jesus created riots," explains Bruce
Frier, a professor of classics at the University of Michigan in
Ann Arbor. "People were suspicious of the Roman government
collecting all the information, just like the information
gathering today."

But every 10 years, that privacy-hoarding streak runs up against
a federal effort reminiscent of Roman legions. Starting next
week, half a million temporary census workers will go door to
door, counting Americans who wouldn't fill out their forms.

Unlike the ancient effort, which Mr. Frier sees as a largely
arbitrary exercise of power, proponents say the questions in
America's once-per-decade count relate directly to needed
decisions: everything from electoral districting to where to
build roads and how to spend public money.

Still, if the US Census Bureau now wields computers and a Madison
Avenue public-relations campaign, the Romans were persistent in
their own ways.

Frier has studied more than 300 surviving census documents
recorded on papyrus parchment, which record statistical data on
families in the Nile delta and other areas of North Africa and
the Middle East.

The documents list family names and number of occupants. For
multihome owners, they list which homes were occupied and which
were vacant. No mention of plumbing.

"They had a very complex system of doing this. Every household
had to file one," explains Traianos Gago, professor of Greek
Papyrology also at the University of Michigan.



BUT HOW DO THEY KNOW WHO'S MISSING? Arturo Ybarra tries to
persuade Gloria Soltero to fill out her census last month. About
35 percent of Americans haven't turned in the forms.


ROBERT HARBISON -STAFF


The census then occurred every 14 years to record the new batch
of tax-paying males. Able-bodied men aged 14 to 62 paid taxes.

"It remains a mystery what other function the census played," Mr.
Gagos says.

In America, since the first Constitution-mandated census in 1790,
the process has evolved in scope and method to match the swelling
population. Lawmakers are now debating whether the $4 billion
task is too expensive, too intrusive.

The decennial controversy this time around has produced fodder
for late-night comedians and popular humor.

"The trick for government is to overcome the aggravation and
suspicion factor and appeal to our self interests," says Bob
Garfield, an ad critic at Advertising Age magazine, pointing to
the agency's $173 million ad campaign.

That campaign - emphasizing that areas where more people return
their forms may benefit from more public spending - is credited
in part for a higher-than-expected return rate for the "short
form," which asks the age, race, and gender of home occupants.

But, oh, that long form!

With its 53 questions, it has proven problematic again. "The long
form response rate is lagging behind the short form by more than
double the rate experienced in 1990," said Census Director
Kenneth Prewitt just before today's extended mail-in deadline.

Indeed, some areas have experienced abysmally low rates. In
Puerto Rico, its 44 percent for long or short forms compares with
a roughly 65 percent national average.

In 1970, the year mail-in forms began, the return rate was 83
percent.


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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!


[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Oh! Ahhm ... I see.

I see that mommy forget to change junior's poohey nappy.

And you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

However, that's not the topic of this particular list. This list is about
conspiracy theory, not your mother, not evolution, not abortion and not
comparative religion.


So .  "nessie"?  Hmmm .. doesn't your name appear under a post below

something about . Pft!!!  "elephant poop".

Perhaps. Refresh my memory. Cite the exact quote to which you refer.


This would have to be the most pious piece holier-than-thou paranoid

claptrap I've read on this list thus far.

"Pious"!?! That's an interesting choice of terminology for you to use to
describe my attack on what is essentially a religious position, not for
BEING a religious position, but for being off topic and disruptive.  I
think you are a little confused  about what the word pious actually
means. Buy a dictionary.


Your pious "study of the truth" - what - by condemning it!

I'm condemning what YOU say is the truth. I say it's
a
superstitious delusion.
 This is not the proper venue for debating who's right. This is a
conspiracy theory list. The comparative religion lists are somewhere else.



You sound like a complete control freak.

Far from it. I'm a life long anarchist activist. What I'm doing here is
opposing control. Again and again people who are either religious zealots
or paid infiltrators with disruptive intent have attempted to gain
control of this
 list
, flood it with their off topic propaganda and distract serious
researchers of honest intent for whom this  space is a vital resource.
This is not an appropriate venue for the discussion of religious
doctrine. This is a venue dedicated to the discussion of conspiracy
theory. The net is FULL of venues dedicated to the discussion of
religious doctrine. Go do it there.


Well, if for a moment you can lay aside your infantile B.S. and paranoia
-the simple FACT is, that in the real world of the elite establishment -
areyou aware that people are discriminated against from such basic rights
as

employment for one example?

This sentence isn't English. It's vocabulary is English
, but
 I can't tell what the syntax is. It sounds sort of Indo-European. Closer
than that I couldn't even guess. Could it be an obscure dialect of
Gibberish, perhaps? Or maybe it's Babble. Whatever it is, it's not
English.

What exactly were you trying to say? Were you trying to say that the
world of the elite establishment is the real world? I disagree. It's part
of the real world, nothing more. Am I aware of employment discrimination?
Yes I am, and from personal experience. And you?


This discrimination is not based on lack of ability, but on the basis
that a

person does not subscribe to a

non-establishment view of the origins of life

and its associated social engineering dogma - this to me, seems would be
of

concern to ANYONE on a - supposed "Conspiracy" forum.

What are you trying to say here, that it is the result of a conspiracy
that people are not hired to teach religious doctrine in the public
schools? This is not the result of a conspiracy but of very specific
wording in the US Constitution which prohibits the establishment of a
state religion.


The fact that there are brave men and women out there - prepared to stick

their necks on the line, not because they hold, or do not hold to a

particular religious view, and as the article indicated - most did not,
but

rather, that they had the tenacity to simply state the truth as they saw

it - even if contrary to the power and propaganda of the elites - this
seems

to have escaped your paranoid consensus reality and censorious mindset.

Oh, I know they're out there alright. But they, their employment and
their religious doctrine are off topic here. Like I said, it's not a
conspiracy that keeps them from cramming their superstition down our
kids' throats. It's the Constitution.


Perhaps in future, you'd like to actually offer constructive rational

argument rather than attempt to demonise every post that your bigoted
little
 p
aranoiac bonehead disagrees with?

Debate theory states that ad hominim attacks are a fairly good indication
that the debater has no evidence to present.  Posts I disagree with fall
into two categories, on-topic posts and off topic posts. On topic posts I
either answer of ignore. Off topic posts don't belong here. They belong
in venues to whose focus their subjects are relevant.


And as far as spooks being on your paranoid delusional tail - I'm sure
they

have better things to do with their time than waste it on a silly prat
like

yourself - such as using the crapper - though on the other hand, the guys

from your local funny-farm - well . I'd advise you to keep looking over
your

shoulder!

No problem. I like looking over my shoulder.
It makes me feel good inside. And well it does, because s
ooner or latter one of you religious fanatics is going to try to

Re: [CTRL] Defending Nessie was The MYTH of EVOLUTION


nessie writes:

He

attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea.



Sometimes I attack the person, but only what they deserve it. Anybody who
intentionally disrupts serious conspiracy research deserves to be
criticized for it.

To understand what is going on here, we must ask ourselves this: when
serious conspiracy research is disrupted, qui bono?

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[CTRL] The engine of the divorce industry is destroying families and theConstitution.

2000-04-20 Thread lloyd

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Subject: The engine of the divorce industry is destroying families and theConstitution.
Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 6:10 PM

Is court-ordered child support doing more harm than good?
by Stephen Baskerville

The engine of the divorce industry is destroying
families and the Constitution.

Geoff came home one day to find a note on the kitchen
 table saying his wife had taken their two children to live
 with their grandparents. He quit his job as head of his
 department in a university and followed. He was summoned
 to court on eight-hours' notice and, without a lawyer and
without being permitted to speak, was stripped of custody
rights and ordered to stay away from his wife and children
most of the time. Because he had no job, no car and no
place to live, his mother cancelled a pending sale of her
house, and he moved in with her. Geoff and his mother now
pay about $1,200 a month to his wife and her wealthy parents,
and he is left to live and care for his two children on about $700
a month. A judge also threatened him with jail if he did not pay
a lawyer he had not hired. When his temporary job ends, the
payments must continue, and he is not permitted to care for
the children while unemployed. He also expects to be coerced
into paying more legal fees. He has never been charged with
any wrongdoing, either criminal or civil.

Geoff's experience increasingly is common. In fact, it is
epidemic. Massive numbers of fathers who are accused
of no wrongdoing now are separated from their children,
plundered for everything they have, publicly vilified and
incarcerated without trial.

About 24 million American children live in homes where
the father is not present, with devastating consequences
for both the children and society. Crime, drug and alcohol
abuse, truancy, teenage pregnancy, suicide and psychological
disorders are a few of the tragic consequences. Conventional
wisdom assumes that the fathers of these children have
abandoned them. In this case the conventional wisdom is
dangerously wrong. It is far more likely that an "absent" father
is forced away rather than leaving voluntarily.

In his new study, Divorced Dads: Shattering the Myths,
Sanford Braver of Arizona State University has shown
conclusively that the so-called "deadbeat dad," one who
deserts his children and evades child support, "does not
exist in significant numbers." Braver confirms that, contrary
to popular belief, at least two-thirds of divorces are filed by
mothers, who have virtual certainty of getting the children
and a huge portion of the fathers' income, regardless of any
fault on their part. The title of Ashton Applewhite's 1997 book
says it succinctly: Cutting Loose: Why Women Who End
Their Marriages Do So Well.

Other studies have found even higher percentages of
divorces filed by mothers, and lawyers report that, when
children are involved, divorce is the initiative of the mother
in virtually all instances. Moreover, few of these divorces
involve grounds such as desertion, adultery or violence.
The most frequent reasons given are "growing apart" or
"not feeling loved or appreciated." (Surveys consistently
show that fathers are much more likely than mothers to
believe parents should remain married.) Yet, as Braver
reports, despite this involuntary loss of their children, 90
percent of these deserted fathers regularly pay court-ordered
child support (unemployment being the main reason for
nonpayment), often at exorbitant levels and many without
any rights to see their children. Most make heroic efforts
to stay in contact with the children from whom they are
forcibly separated.

The plight of unmarried inner-city fathers is harder to quantify,
but there is no reason to assume they love their children any
less. A recent study conducted in Washington with low-income
fathers ages 16 to 25 found that 63 percent had only one child;
82 percent had children by only one mother; 50 percent had
been in a serious relationship with the mother at the time of
pregnancy; only 3 percent knew the mother of their child only a
little; 75 percent visited their child in the hospital; 70 percent
saw their children at least once a week; 50 percent took their
child to the doctor; large percentages reported bathing, feeding,
dressing and playing with their children; and 85 percent provided
informal child support in the form of cash or purchased goods
such as diapers, clothing and toys. University of Texas
anthropologist Laura Lein and Rutgers University professor
Kathryn Edin recently found that low-income fathers often are far
worse off than their government-assisted families, "but economically
and emotionally marginal as many of these fathers are, they still
represent a large proportion of low-income fathers who continue
to

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Shill Press 101






http://www.thewho.net/discography/songs/WontGetFooledAgain.html

Lyrics:
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:41 PM
Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Shill Press 101


1st assignment:

Find investigative articles on Republican drug smuggling in media outlets
"leading the charge" on Elian.

EXTRA CREDIT: Any mention of "Asa Hutchinson."

Homework:

Practice reserving "special scorn" for media outlets pretending to
be what they are not. (Use a mirror to practice your sneer if necessary.)

EXTRA CREDIT: Purchase CD: "Who's Next."
Listen to the cut called "Won't Get Fooled Again."

Cry yourself to sleep.


Daniel Hopsicker
The Drug Money Times
http://www.MadCowProd.com
"All the news that's ripped from print!"

Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological
phenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables,
but is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has
occcurred since 1963."

"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are
fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions
have been involved."   --Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance 6th edition





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Re: [CTRL] FW: VIRUS IN A MAIL FOR YOU FROM owner-ctrl@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

2000-04-20 Thread ATB XX


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Re: [CTRL] Defending Nessie was The MYTH of EVOLUTION

2000-04-20 Thread ThePiedPiper

when a post like this one comes in
and someone covers it up with an
evolutionary post and then tries to
get the list in a controversy so that
they forget it.

Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Magic = technology we don't understand
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:46:30 -0400
From: "Robert F. Tatman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Seems as if some people can not handle
the idea of a holographic universe.
ThePiedPiper

nessie wrote:

 nessie writes:

 He

 attacks the idea, not the person posting the idea.

 Sometimes I attack the person, but only what they deserve it. Anybody who
 intentionally disrupts serious conspiracy research deserves to be
 criticized for it.

 To understand what is going on here, we must ask ourselves this: when
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[CTRL] Very Strong Divisive Cards are being played


To all,
Be wary, very strong divisive psychological sets are being "memed" into the
our body politic.

A very strong xtian card plus the traditional homophobias and other emotive
"gut" issues.

A very strong spray shot covering everything from ads to news to
entertainment.  The level both quanity and noise are at the strongest levels
that I have seen in years.

Operation Scream? As in Allende's Chile . . .


Look for "calls" about 1/1/2001 in the  frentic xtian circles.

MHO
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Russia-Japan Island Dispute Looms on the Horizon


SUMMARY:

Russia and Japan appear poised to resolve a 50-year-old dispute
over four islands in the tiny Kuril island chain north of Japan.
Russia forced Japan to surrender the islands at the close of World
War II, and Japan has sought to reclaim them ever since. Moscow's
harrowing financial position and the firm leadership of President-
elect Vladimir Putin may finally result in a deal, one with
immediate economic and political benefits for both nations.

ANALYSIS:

On April 22, former Russian President Boris Yeltsin and former
Japanese Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto will meet near Moscow.
Although the meeting's agenda has not been announced, the two
leaders are sure to discuss the transfer of the four southern Kuril
Islands to Tokyo. In 1997, Yeltsin and Hashimoto agreed to sign a
peace agreement by 2000, resolving a dispute between Russian and
Japan over the islands.  Now the two men will meet again to clear
the decks for a historic agreement between President-elect Vladimir
Putin and Japanese Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori, who will meet at an
April 29 summit in Russia.

The Kuril Islands offer a number of assets. First, they have
strategic value, as they cut a dotted line through Russia's access
to the Pacific Ocean from the Okhotsko Sea. The waters off their
coasts harvest $4 billion worth of fish each year, and the islands
themselves hold deposits of pyrite, sulfur and various polymetalic
ores. As well, each nation defends its sovereignty over the islands
to nourish nationalist pride, an extremely important factor for two
nations in economic crisis.

But Putin is now ready to focus on rescuing Russia from treacherous
financial straits. The president already secured overwhelming
nationalist support by asserting Russia's strength and sovereignty
in the Chechen War. Now Putin must find a way to avoid defaulting
on the country's approximately $150 billion debt and to finance the
country's 2000 budget amid falling oil prices.

Settling the territorial dispute with Japan offers at least a
partial solution to Russia's quandary. Tokyo has already shown that
it's prepared to pay. As the result of 1997 talks, which yielded
only the "agreement to agree," Hashimoto promised Yeltsin $1.5
billion in loans, of which approximately half has now been
disbursed. The price tag for an actual peace agreement - in effect,
the price for the islands themselves - will be much higher. And
though Japan itself is saddled with a black-hole economy, the
government has proved extremely resourceful at generating a cash
flow.

Fishing rights in the coastal waters will be a major sticking point
of any deal. Currently, Russia only allows Japan a certain quota of
fish - and at a price. Japan will push for rights to a section of
the sea. Russia will fight to hold on as much as possible, but will
likely be willing to concede at least a section of water to Japan.
The potential fish harvest in the region may be huge; however, as a
Moscow Times article noted, the Russian fishing industry is
notoriously adept at hiding the majority of its profits. Very
little ends up in Moscow's coffers.

Talk of a deal will spark frenzied debate within Russia. But
ultimately, Putin will prevail. In October 1999, he said that
signing a peace treaty was both "essential and inevitable,"
reported Agence France-Presse. The promise of Japanese payment will
sidetrack many naysayers. In the past, the Communists have
vehemently opposed ceding the islands. However, Putin has recently
elicited unprecedented cooperation with the Communists, and may be
able to wrangle away some of their votes. In November, the Duma
voted down a Communist initiative to draft a statement asserting
that the parliament would reject any treaty "implying the loss or
restriction of Russian sovereignty over the South Kuril Islands."

The residents of the islands themselves have twice voted to secede
from Russia and join the Japanese. The Russian government supplies
very little money to the Sakhalin regional administration, which,
in turn, all but ignores the Kuril islanders. Earthquakes in 1995
and 1996

[CTRL] BILL'S CYNICAL ELIAN PLOY (fwd)


New York Post-April 20, 2000

BILL'S CYNICAL ELIAN PLOY

Is there no end to the Clintonites' duplicity? Even when the
president's people are right - which isn't often - they still
feel compelled to bend the truth.

Concerning little Elian Gonzalez, we agree with the Justice
Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service stance
that the boy should be reunited with his father - even if that
means eventually sending him back to Castro's Cuba.

Butrather than simply stand on principle, the administration
retained the services of New York pediatrician Irwin Redlener -
who "diagnosed" a case of child abuse by Elian's Miami relatives
of the sort that, seven years ago, led Janet Reno to dispatch the
troops to Waco.

"Elian Gonzalez is now in a state of imminent danger to his
physical and emotional well-being in a home that I consider to be
psychologically abusive," wrote Redlener.

The doctor has never examined Elian. He based his opinion solely
on his viewing of the now-notorious videotape in which Elian
declared that he wants to stay in the United States. Nonetheless,
Redlener is now demanding that "the child should be rescued" from
his relatives.

But it turns out that Redlener is far from the dispassionate
observer depicted by the Justice Department. On the contrary -
he's about as close as can be found to a Clinton administration
house physician.

A veteran of left-wing political causes, Redlener chaired a
"National Health Leadership Council for Clinton/Gore" during the
1992 campaign. For that, he was rewarded with a vice chairmanship
of Hillary Clinton's disastrous health-care task force in 1993 -
and he continued to sing its praises long after it had been
thoroughly discredited.

Of course, Redlener is not the only Clinton connection to this
case. Greg Craig, who is described as the lawyer for Elian's
father - although clearly he was hired by the Cuban government -
was one of the president's chief impeachment lawyers.

No doubt Clinton  Co. don't feel confident of carrying the day
unless their shills are preaching the administration line while
pretending to be neutral observers.

This is yet another pointed reminder that the Cuban-Americans in
Miami are not the only ones who have shamelessly politicized this
entire episode.





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Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!

Ahm! Really!

BUURP!!!

Sheesh!!! What a complete paranoid CRACKPOT!!!

You're an incredibly stupid kid when it comes to
trying to teaching you a thing a two - really.

But just so's that it might, on the oft chance,
penetrate that thick caveman cranium of yours - I'll say it a THIRD time - my
the post simply cited quotes from scientists who were mostly NOT creationists,
or religionists, but simply, unlike your deluded self - faced facts, and stated
that there is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for the THEORY of evolution.

The THEORY, not fact - is a tool of the elite to
carry out its socio-economic and at times religio-political agenda, as did the
Nazis, as did the Soviet Communists as does your precious N.W.O. bogie
man.

Now I'm sorry to shatter your infantile delusions
about some cherished myth that you have blindly ascribed to as fact.

There are plenty of mythological sites dealing with
childish fairytales and fables - ask mommyto cybertoddle you over to
one - I'm sure that with the dummies and rattlesintellectual
levelyou're currently exhibiting - you'll find the environment
suitable.

For the record, the only person thathas thus
far mentioned "religion"here is your own
pompous and pious fuming self and what's even more credulous, below you even
appeal to "Jesus" Christ himself for support! You're really quite laughable in
you're duplicity and hypocrisy.

Are you some kind of dis-information agent
here?Though, you really don't sound intelligent enough to be one - as
every line you scrawl is riddled with contradiction - an unstable and closed
mindset more likely.

From what further I read below - you have an
inherent ignorance of the subject anyway, with your crapulous waffleoff
topic again.

Ifyou can
possibly tear yourself away from the epileptics you're in - this will be
abundantly evident, as it is to all readers here now.

The issue that has got stuck in your craw has
naught to do with "conspiracy theory" or your pious feigned search fro "truth"
but rather your control freak attitude, wishing to censor opinions that may
shatter your glib and paranoid view of life.

If you can't handle others opinions - I suggest you
swallow your own twaddle advice, and advise your thought police handlers of your inability to cope, i'm sure they'll find
another forum for your rants where you can play inquisitor and
censor.

You also piously pout yourself an "anarchist" as
this is supposed somehow endear you to me - but judging by the state of your
mental competence, anarchy would be more analogous to your brain function.

I conclude Mr goody-two-shoes do-gooder and
self-appointed forum censor, that "fraud and
charlatan" were thoroughly on-target - we can now also add hypocrite to your
character descript.

"The fact is that the evidence was so patchy one
hundred years ago that even Darwin himself had increasing doubts as to the
validity of his views, and the only aspect of his theory which has received any
support over the past century is where it applies to microevolutionary
phenomena. His general theory, that all life on earth had originated and evolved
by a gradual successive accumulation of fortuitous mutations, is still, as it
was in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct
factual support and very far from that self-evident axiom some of its more
aggressive advocates would have us believe."*Michael Denton, Evolution: A
Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 77. [non-religionist!]

"Paleontologists [fossil experts] have paid an
exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true
students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by
natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very
process we profess to study."*Steven Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb (1982), pp.
181-182 [Harvard professor and the leading evolutionary spokesman of the
latter half of the twentieth century].

Gould himself perceived the shonky intellectual
bias in his own propaganda. These days he postures in priestly garb as the
evolutionary temples high priest - in fact, finally speaking in religious terms
about his formerly disguised evolutionists faith.

Writing an editorial in the magazine
Science, the frontispiece of the prestigious National Association for the
Advancement of Science, Stephen Jay Gould launched a direct attack on religion
thereby exposing the true religious nature of Darwinism and its hidden hand.

After quoting Psalm 8 Thou has made him a little
lower than the angels...thou madest him to have dominion...thou has put all
things under his feet. Gould went on to state, Darwin removed this keystone of
false comfort more than a century ago, but many people still believe that they
cannot navigate this vale of tears without such a crutch. Ending the article,
Gould admonished his readers, Let us praise this
evolutionary nexus, a far more stately mansion for

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XXX DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY APRIL 20 2000 17:08:49 ET XXX

RENO PLANS REMOVING BOY BY FORCE IN THURSDAY MEETING WITH AIDES;
TOLD STAFF THAT PRESIDENT WANTS BOY REMOVED

**Exclusive**

During an emotional meeting with aides Thursday, Attorney General
Janet Reno discussed plans to forcibly remove Elian Gonzalez from
the house of his Miami relatives, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The president wants the boy removed from the house," Reno told a
group gathered in her fifth-floor conference room at the Justice
Department.

Department lawyers, immigration officials and law enforcement
experts heard Reno provide details on how the government would
remove Gonzalez, one source present for the meeting said from
Washington.

Reno's Plan: Early next week, the attorney general will seek a
federal court order in Miami compelling relatives to surrender
Elian. If the family does not comply with the order, law
enforcement officials will be directed to enter the home to
capture the boy.

The attorney general's course of action is so detailed, specific
individuals who will be assigned to enter the house have already
been chosen.

MORE

Developing...

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[CTRL] Miami police scanner radio stations (fwd)


MIAMI POLICE SCANNER - It's on!!! - 1:16am ET

To Listen, you must copy and paste this file into the
File/Location window of the RealPlayer.

rtsp://black.mp.intervu.net/farm/*/encoder/scannerlive_mia

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MIAMI STATIONS

WINZ ("Supertalk 940") - 940 AM (Miami) - Live Feed* News/Talk
Listen:http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=5616

WIOD - 610 AM (Miami) - Live Feed* News/Talk
Listen:http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=5618

WAFG - 90.3 FM (Fort Lauderdale) - Live FeedReligious

WAMR - 107.5 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player) Spanish

WAQI - 710 AM (Miami) - Live Feed Spanish

WAY FM - 88.1 FM (West Palm Beach) - Live FeedReligious

WCMQ - 92.3 FM (Miami) - Live Feed:
Listen: http://www.pickradio.com/media/florida/wcmq.asx

WEDR ("99 JAMZ") - 99.1 FM (Miami) - Live Feed* G2 UrbanTalk

WFLC ("Coast FM") - 97.3 FM (Miami) - Live Feed* G2 Adult Contemporary

WHQT ("Hot 105") - 105.1 FM (Miami) - Live Feed* G2 Urban

WHYI ("Y-100") - 100.7 FM (Fort Lauderdale) - Live Feed (Media Player)
Continuous Hits

WJNO AM - 1040 AM (West Palm Beach) - Live Feed (Media Player) News/Talk

WKGR ("The Gator") - 98.7 FM (West Palm Beach) - Live Feed (Media
Player) Classic Rock

WLVE ("Love 94") - 94.9 FM (Miami) - Live Feed* (RealAudio/Media Player)
Jazz

WLVJ - 640 AM (West Palm Beach) - Live Feed Religious

WLYF ("Lite FM") - 101.5 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player) Adult
Contemporary

WMBM - 1490 AM (Miami Beach) - Live Feed Religious

WMCU - 89.7/101.9 FM (Miami) - Live Feed Religious

WMGE ("The New Mega 103.5") - 103.5 FM (Miami) - Live Feed* (Media
Player) Dance

WPOW ("Power 96") - 96.5 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player)
Contemporary Hit Radio

WPSL - 1590 AM (Port St Lucie) - Live Feed* News/Talk

WQAM - 560 AM (Miami) - Live Feed* and archived Sports

WQBA - 1140 AM (Miami) - Live Feed Spanish

WRMA ("Romance 106.7") - 106.7 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player)
Spanish

WRTO - 98.3 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player) Spanish

WTMI - 93.1 FM (Miami) - Live FeedClassical

WVUM - 90.5 FM (University of Miami, Corel Gables) - Live Feed: 20k /
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WXDJ ("El Zol 95") - 95.7 FM (Miami) - Live Feed (Media Player)

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule


Respectfully, If you look and research at all the numbers of Jewish peoples
in
Europe before WW 2, you will find they do not match the number of people
murdered in the camps. The 6 Million Figure was the Figure people claim
were of Just the Jewish Population. Many Christians were also murdered
because they didn't go along with Hitler's Regime. "Uncle Joe Stalin" did
murder many more, 25 - 50 Million, and Mao in Red China also murdered
about 50 million during his reign.

Respectfully Yours;
Mike 4/20/2K

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule


Weither or not Abortion is a topic for This List,
I am NOT the one who started it in the First Place
So don't Blame Me. Thanks You So Very Much.

Mike.

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Re: [CTRL] Jane Fonda Says Pro-Life People are Hypocrites


Bard:

Thanks for the Compliment. I wrote this after reading all "junes", posts and
the rest. Sorry for the Delayed Respose. Have on going problems with the
Email program. People send me Emails without checking with an AntiVirus
Program First !  Keep up the good work your self. Remember, that the Truth
Will out weight the Pontificating Flatulence of the Liberials all the Time.
Happy Easter to you and your family !

Mike
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Re: [CTRL] Elian Gozales' -- Socialism


After having 1/2 half of the male adults of my family living
during WW2 Fighting the Nazi's with the U.S. Army, And
those Relatives living in Europe Fighting in the Underground
Against the Nazis, the Gestopo, some of whom were
captured and murdered in the "Camps"'; I Know Exactly
What Nazi Socialism is.  I do Not need your Intellectual
Pontificating Flatulence to Explain to Me What I Know
As Fact.  Further Mein Herr, I will not discuss the Issue
Further with you. Do I make My self Perfectly Clear?

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[CTRL] BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI? (fwd)


===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY===

  April 20, 2000


BLOODBATH TONIGHT IN MIAMI?
Posted By: Rayelan
Date: Thursday, 20 April 2000, at 8:02 p.m.

In Response To: APRIL 19TH -THE MEMORIAL TO THE OCCULT (Rumor Mill
News)


Re: the information you about the Illuminati symbolism in the OKC
ceremony that Clinton and Reno attended. I believe it is true.

Today I heard that Clinton ordered Reno to take the boy -- If I
remember the wording he used right before Waco -- it was similar
to what he said today --

I think there is going to be a bloodbath tonight at Elian's
uncles house -- Clinton and company don't care if they kill
everyone in the house and the surrounding vicinities --

If Jeb Bush dosen't step in and use whatever Florida cops he has
-- This will doom brother GW's chances -- Jeb has to make it look
like he is trying to do something to stop Clinton -- Gore has
already begun turning against Clinton. Gore wants Elian to have
his day in court. If Clinton attacks the Miami uncle and the
Cuban community surrounding his house -- Clinton will succeed in
winning the election for Al Gore.

Evidently this is the deal Clinton has made with Gore to stay out
of jail -- in other words -- when Gore said he won't pardon
Clinton -- last week he meant it -- but this week, Clinton has
told Gore that if Gore pardons him and chooses Hillary as he VP
he will set up an incident in which Jeb Bush and therefore G.W.
will bear the brunt of the anger from the Cuban community.

My source said that if I didn't believe this scenario to just
watch what Gore will do to distance himself from Clinton... or
appear to distance himself.

My source also told me that David Koresh was offering to
cooperate and come out -- right before they were all murdered --
He said that Elian's uncle is sounding the same way David Koresh
sounded. In other words, my source thinks the uncle is going to
be murdered. He said it didn't matter one way or the other what
happens to Elian -- that all the possibilities have been covered
--

If Elian survives and is sent back -- the cuban community invades
Cuba

If Elian is killed -- then the Cuban American community's anger
is turned on Washington DC, JEb Bush -- and lastly -- Castro.

I have a very bad feeling about what might happen tonight -- my
source told me that Clinton has orchestrated the entire Elian
affair - - this is in keeping with the source who said that
everyone on the boat -- except the two agents and elian were
murdered -- my source told me today that Clinton is trying to
make peace with Cuba -- anyway he can -- because that is the only
thing he thinks he can leave as a legacy -- my source says that
Clinton is doing this on his own without sanctions from the NWO
--

However -- I wonder if this is accurate -- it appears to me that
there is some sort of sacrifice getting ready to happen tonight
-- and sacrifices are definitely NWO -- maybe they are going to
use Clinton's "Elian Rescue Mission" as their sacrifice -- maybe
Clinton is so stupid he doesn't realize how he is being used --
but I doubt this -- I think he knows exactly what he is doing and
has covered all bases this time.

If Elian is killed in a raid tonight -- We will be at war -- The
American Cubans will take out Clinton -- which is what Fidel
wants -- that way Gore can become president -- Hillary likes this
solution because she will be VP -- then the first female
president.

The Communist Cubans will launch a war on the United States --
but this war will come through central American and Mexico --

FoxNews ran a piece today about the organiztion that wants to
throw out all the illegal aliens from their land -- Atzlan is
their land -- Atzlan is made up of CA --NV-- UT--AZ-- NM -- and
TX

These people are very big on over 100 college campuses -- They
hate white Europeans -- I think that even includes the Spanish --
they believe they are Aztec and all of this land belonged to the
Aztecs --

I was talking about this to my source -- who told me that the
entire Aztlan "myth" was made up about 30 years ago. It is
nothing but fiction -- There were never Aztecs in this area --
there would be archeological evidence if there had been.

My source told me we have a three prong attack getting ready --
And if Elian is taken by force tonight -- tonight will be the
start of it.

He said that there are many camps in Florida that have been
training Cuban expatriots for the invasion of Cuba. He also said
that there are so many different agendas at work here --
Clinton's -- Castro's -- China's -- The Bush Family -- The Miami
Cuban Community -- the old Cuban Mafia --

Any and everything could and will go wrong if Clinton tries to
take Elian by force. It will be worse than Waco. It will be like
the MOVE tragedy where the entire city block was bombed and
burned.

If G. W. Bush wants to win the presidency, he had better clue his
younger and dumber brother into what is going on. Jeb is going to
have to ring the entire area with the Florida

Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!


Look, I'm not going to debate evolution vs creationism with you here. This
is not the right place. This place is for conspiracy theory. If you want
to talk about conspiracy theory, we can talk about conspiracy theory. We
can talk about it here. This is the place to talk about conspiracy theory.

If you want to debate  evolution vs creationism, do it somewhere else. Do
it with somebody else. I don't want to debate  evolution vs creationism
with you or with anybody else, here or anywhere. We're not going to change
each other's minds. All we would accomplish would be to waste each other's
time. If we do it in public, on this list at least, we'd also waste a
bunch of other people's time.  I don't want to waste other people's time,
even yours. If you do, you're a jerk.

You may have time to waste, but I don't. Even if I did have time to waste,
I  fail to see any sound reason I should waste it on you. You're boring.

You're also off topic. Take this evolution vs creationism debate to an
appropriate venue. This is not the appropriate venue. Appropriate venues
are available. Find one. Do it now.

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[CTRL] The AOLization of America