Re: netmasks
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:33:06 + Martin Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a question i was asked recently on a topic that I thought i understood untill i was asked Given the hypothetical subnet 136.206.16.128 and netmask 255.255.255.128, state the valid range of IP addresses that could be assigned to hosts on the subnet?(also another was 64.122.34.83 netmask 255.255.255.240 :( ) i was used to looking at plain netmasks ie 255.255.255.0(ff00) etc which I understand fine but my grasp of anything else is less than good... any help is appreciated.. 'apt-get install ipcalc; ipcalc 136.206.16.128/255.255.255.128; ipcalc 64.122.34.83/255.255.255.240' :) msg03085/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Lost Mozilla
On 22 Sep 2002 14:41:36 +0100 Brian Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help,Debian Newbie.Have installed Debian 3.0 OK. Problem, Mozilla was working OK. Now I cannot launch it, I get message 'No such file etc'. Tried apt-get to install /or remove it, but can neither install or remove it.I'm now stuck! Thanks in advance. The package you want (the one that contains the 'mozilla' command) is mozilla-browser - are you sure you have it installed? If so, what command are you running (exactly), and what's the (exact) error? msg03086/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: multiple servers in gdm
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:52:56 -0400 Juergen Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [servers] 1=/usr/bin/X11/X vt8 0=/usr/bin/X11/X vt7 Looks good. :) /var/log/gdm/:1.log has the following to say about this topic: (==) ATI(0): Write-combining range (0xfd00,0x80) (**) ATI(0): DPMS enabled PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M (==) ATI(0): Write-combining range (0xfd00,0x80) (**) ATI(0): DPMS enabled PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M So... the server on vt7 can find the font files, but the one on vt8 can't? Could that be some kind of locking issue, or is the problem somewhere else entirely. Yeah, I think it's something else. That's a non-fatal error. Not even a warning, actually. I imagine if you checked :0.log, you'd find the same thing there too. Any input would be appreciated. Given the described behaviour (you can log in, the server resets, GDM comes back up), it would seem that whatever session is being spawned is exiting. Try any failsafe sessions in the GDM Sessions menu (on vt8, of course). Do any of those work? Which ones were there? :) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpn9vCsdXgAk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Man Pages and Info Question
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Larry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that the man pages and info help cover far less topics than on my old RedHat system. On RedHat I had to run a thing called makewhatis to unpack and install all the man pages. Is there something like that I haven't done to get all the man and info help pages installed? Or is Debians help system just not as complete? As others have said, the manpages and manpages-dev packages contain many miscellaneous manpages. Also, you won't have a manpage for a program that you haven't installed yet, more than likely. So installing that package will also install its manpage. Generally speaking, anyways ;) You can also use the last search field at http://packages.debian.org to search for files in packages you may not have installed on your local machine. Be sure to specify which of stable, testing, or unstable you're using :) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpHJIJthtD9n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to set 800x600 X?
On 31 May 2002 13:17:29 +1000 James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, some of the boxes have Trio64 cards, which are supported on 4.2, not 4.1, and so I have to use 3.3. Without starting the X server, how can I tell on a specific Debian box which version will be started? Checking 'dpkg --list' hasn't helped ... sometimes both xserver-s3 and xserver-xfree86 are installed. 'realpath /etc/X11/X', 'ls -l /etc/X11/X', and 'X -version' should do you. :) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpaQBiOW91LO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: simple traffic monitor/firewalls
On Tue, 28 May 2002 23:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Mike Egglestone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: activity. Now I have no firewall under linux I would like to have some way of at least monitoring traffic throughput as I surf the net. Does anyone know if there is any small utility that can do this under woody. For X-Windows, I use a fast little manager called icewm, which by default shows your network link activity, and cpu usuage. You can customize it nicely too. (change colors etc) There are any number of such utilities. A popular one is gkrellm, it can monitor a lot more than just a 'net connection. If you're not using the GNOME panel, you can't use its applets, but there are some simple ones there if you do. Otherwise, 'apt-cache search dockapp', pick and choose, play and poke. -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgplIrrVgdqhb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: make-kpkg continued
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:44:09 -0600 (MDT) dave mallery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something is preventing the kernel logger from starting at the end of the startup. btw, the screen looks normal during the startup process, but it goes so fast... obviously, the network isn't getting started. During boot, you should be able to press Scroll Lock to stop the scrolling temporarily. any sugestions? i think i will download the 2.4.18 kernel-image package from testing and see if that will start. That'd be one start ;) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpAr6IbrDu0G.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Running Yahoo Messenger??
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:19:11 -0400 Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't honestly think that they filter out the spam sites to which they sell your information, do you? Actually, it's a very good spam filter. It, by default, adds headers to the message (X-Yahoo-FilteredBulk or somesuch). I've received some fourty thousand mails over my yahoo.ca account; some of them spam. I have NEVER EVER gotten a false positive from Yahoo's spam marking/filtering stuff, and it caught about %65 of all spam. That's pretty god-damned impressive. -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpJHA54uziIQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Maildir performance mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:00 -0700 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: I've switched to maildir, um, well, I forget why. Maybe peformance, maybe trepidation over my mbox files breaking one day. With 1000+ messages (and 5000+ is pretty easily attainable), performance on opening a folder sucks. I assume it's because mutt has to do an fopen() on each file, scan headers, group output, and sort it. The result is a several-seconds (sometimes 10-20) on opening large folders. Is there any way to speed this up? The faster of the two boxes is a PIII-400 (faster's on the way), 384 MiB, SCSI drive. Hey there :) I typically read huge volumes of email (I tend to read a lot of lists) ... maybe five, six hundred emails a day. Anyways, you can imagine that over time my mailstore gets to be quite big ;) At the same time, performance is a serious issue for me. If it takes more than two or three seconds to get into any single mailbox, I'm grinding my teeth. So, with that, I went around poking at all the various MUAs around, doing some simple benchmarks with a stopwatch. Mutt was pretty slow. I mean, more than fast enough for most people, but it isn't going to win any awards for speed. I tested with MH maildir, Qmail Maildir, mbox and imap. It was all fairly slow. Unpleasantly so, unfortunatly. Anyways, I spent a lot of time trying to make it faster (because, really, I do like Mutt), but it just didn't happen. Spent about two months asking around too, with no luck. As Pedro said, the only option is to reduce the size of your mailboxes. :) P.S.: Fastest MUA I can bear? Sylpheed. It bites that it's GTK+ and not console/text, but despite that it's still the fastest fullscreen/gui mailer I found, and is faster than many CLI(mail, nmh, etc) clients to boot. -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgp2MIADiObCm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does libqt3 refers to kde3
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:34:16 +0200 Jan Ulrich Hasecke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just discovered that I have libqt3 installed on woody. Does this refer to kde3? Will there be an kde3-package in woody? No, it does not refer to KDE3, though when KDE3 packages are available they will use libqt3. I don't believe the maintainer is planning on releasing KDE3 packages before Woody's current proposed release date. -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpFHhnXaJSkv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Maildir performance mutt (was Re: Someone tell me the secret of mutt)
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:02:46 -0700 Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylpheed opens folders very quickly because it keeps its own index file in each folder, and so does not need to read headers from every file. Yes. :) Since Sylpheed uses MH format, which requires a folder lock any time you want to modify a folder, it can do this without any real disadvantage. Maildir, however, does not need folder locks, so adding an index file(which would have to be locked for modification) seems like a bad idea. Well, I didn't think that MH required entire-directory locks. Anyways, even if that's true, a) Mutt doesn't use a cache, even for MH, b) Mutt doesn't use a cache, for anything(I don't think), and c) there's no reason the cache needs to be within the folder itself :) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgpgubye1MdnX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian install for beginners?
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:57:58 + Karl E. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody else had experience with setting up a Debian GNU/Linux box for friends who wants to get started with computers? If so then I'd appreciate your comments/input. I plan to use: - Debian GNU/Linux (off course!) install minimal potato, set up apt to point to woody (with preferences for security updates from potato). I've most most packages in my apt-proxy cache anyway. - hand-rolled 2.4.17 kernel Basically a kernel-package job, probably with tmpfs for /tmp and /var/run - XFree 4.1.0 - xdm (anything small will do) - Icewm - not gnome. (it seems lightweight) Alternatives welcome. - Mail client - sylpheed? (there was a discussion on debian-user about this recently. I need to read up on that) - Gnumeric - Abiword: I think staroffice will be too much for the machine. Any alternatives? - Browser? Will mozilla be too heavyweight? I like mozilla myself... - Any progs/applets available for controlling pppd? - Some games That's probably what they will mostly use the machine for. ace-of-penguins looks nice. gotta have tetris too. Ideas? - Gimp - FreeAmp - mgetty so I can dial in if needed. Should also be usable for fax. You have basically described my laptop setup. Except for the following differences: GQmpeg instead of FreeAmp. gqmpeg uses mpg123/mpg321 to actually play music. It's small, it's light, it's themeable beyond recognition(way more so than XMMS, though I believe FreeAmp is about on-par here). Galeon instead of Mozilla. Okay, I actually use Netscape 4.xx on my laptop :) But it's only got 32M of memory, while you have 64M. Given the environment you're looking to run, I would suggest you give Galeon with tabs a go. There's a fair bit of overhead in creating new windows, and if you take the time to learn how to use the tabs to your advantage(say, maybe a week of normal browsing without using anything *but* tabs), they'll probably grow to like 'em. I use WDM instead of XDM. No big difference. I use Sylpheed as well. I strongly recommend it in this case with not much in the way of CPU power. Sylpheed is, if not *the* fastest, one of the fastest MUAs out there. (Yeah. And this is despite the fact that it's not a console-based client. Just goes to show that it doesn't mean it's fast if it's text :) I don't use pppd, but I *do* use gkrellm. It's got lots of blikenlights, your friends may like having it on their desktop for the cool factor. It also has what's called a Timer button or net button or somesuch. Configure gkrellm to monitor ppp0; if it's up and they hit the button, it executes one command. If it's down and they hit the button, it executes a different command. KDE stuff should run reasonably well on this machine, if you don't have much else running when you use it. So, for instance, you could probably use KOffice as the office suite. I agree that Open Office is probably too large. Obviously the bottleneck on this machine is the CPU. Stuff like Open Office, Mozilla, and fancy mail clients are really gonna bog it down. But the alternatives are great :) -- \ David B. Harris, Systems administrator | http://www.terrabox.com / / [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://eelf.ddts.net \ \==/ / Clan Barclay motto: Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) \ pgp2O6UJvUM0N.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: maximum nuber of messages in mutt?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:32:23 -0600 Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I would have to suggest that mutt might be more efficient than gnus for local access, since it can handle mboxes with 5000+ messages quite quickly. :) /me runs from people wielding actual benchmark figures Just to throw in my two cents :) Sylpheed, a GTK+-based MUA, is probably one of the fastest MUAs available under Linux. It uses MH mailstores, and it caches. Opening a folder with ~10k messages takes about three seconds on my machine. Opening a similarily-sized folder in Mutt(actually, the MH maildir converted to mbox with 'packf +Debian/Devel -file d-devel.mbox -mbox') takes approximately 15 seconds, and the same converted to QMail Maildir format takes about 10 seconds. *run* :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpcj9JjrG3Re.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dual LCD monitors
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:07:40 -0800 Jeremy T. Bouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my own configuration I had Xinerama working fine with 2 seperate cards... My problem was they were not identical so I had to run the display at the lower cards maximum settings for both cards... This works fine if the lowest common settings are still fairly decent... I've used Xinerama before myself, with two seperate cards. I didn't have to run them at the same resolution. One was 800x600, the other was 1152x864. Worked just fine :) I have heard a lot of people say the same thing as you, though (that you have to run both heads at the same resolution). Can you point to a doc where you read this? Or describe the problems that arise when you run the heads at different resolutions? -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpLcAF6OGtyI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Geforce II under Xwindows
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:20:57 -0800 (PST) Ihab Mohsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason I cant run any xserver for my Geforce II VE graphics card except the VGA_16 server so you can guess what the graphics are like...any ideas which server I should be running Well, it sounds like you're trying to use an XFree86 3.3.6 X server. Unfortunately, support for the GeForce didn't come out until 4.x. If you're using Woody or Sid, just 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86'. That's the unified 4.x X server, you want to use the nv driver module. After installing xserver-xfree86, double check that /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 (check with '/bin/ls -l /etc/X11/X'). If it isn't pointing to the right file, then 'rm /etc/X11/X' then 'ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X'. Then run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. If you're using Potato, you have two options: you can either upgrade to Woody or Sid, or install XFree 4.x packages which have been backported to Potato. The latter is available at http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ .. Read the READ.THIS files here and there, they'll give you instructions on how to do the install. Hope that helps :) P.S.: (nitpick) it's not x windows or x-windows or xwindows :) It's X, or X11, or the X windowing system, or if you use XFree86 (which you do), XFree or XFree86. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpoFX05OeLsM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Geforce II under Xwindows
On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:02:27 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have GEForce II running right now. I am running XFree86 4.1.0 (from unstable). To make it run, you need to go to the nvidia site and download the kernel file and the glx file, then modify your XF86Config-4 file to unload GLcore and dri. Just to clarify things here: Ihab is trying to use 3.3.6 X servers. Since this is the case, getting drivers from the nVidia site won't help at all. Also, the stock XFree drivers will work fine with the GeForce; he just won't have accelerated 3D. So even if he was using XFree 4.x, getting the nVidia drivers wouldn't have been the solution ;) (Since something else would have to have been wrong :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgp2Z92MPRGl5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: * Re: ADSL with woody or what is this newbie doing completly wrong?
On 10 Feb 2002 10:48:51 -0200 Michel Loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is your /etc/network/interfaces correctly configured ? there should be auto eth0 iface eth0 inet ppp provider dsl-provider I've attached my /etc/network/interfaces. The pppoe package in Debian is the Roaring Penguin PPPoE drivers, and they say that the ethernet interface connected to the DSL modem should be up, but with no IP address. You can do this by running 'ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up', assuming eth0 is the interface attached to the DSL modem. The configuration I have in /etc/network/interfaces has worked for years, and is technically right. ie: ppp0 is the interface we care about, not eth0(or whatever is connected to your DSL modem), and it makes sure the underlying interface is in the appropriate state before trying to start the PPPoE drivers. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo eth1 iface lo inet loopback iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 up /etc/init.d/bind start auto ppp0 iface ppp0 inet ppp pre-up ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up provider dsl-provider pgpQQMZfDvt8r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:44:01 -0500 So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. As much as I hate to say it, your only option(as far as I can see) is the non-Free Netscape 4.xx. Make sure you have a non-Free entry in your sources.list, and then: 'apt-cache search ^netscape' That should return a netscape-java-something package which you can 'apt-get install'. Enjoy. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpkPqFr5FlxP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: /var/lib/dpkg/status missing?
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:20:22 -0700 Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm building a new machine. It crashed durring a dist-upgrade after basic install and config. I went to install gnome after it cleaned the disks and it says it can't find /var/lib/dpkg/status. Am I screwed or can this be rebuild somehow? I think you're screwed :) /var/lib/dpkg/status is the database of the status of all packages installed (and many not-installed) on your system. I know of no way to rebuild it, and unless it's listed in /var/lib/dpkg/status, dpkg doesn't know about it. Since apt-get and everything else uses dpkg as its base, you're pretty much SOL. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpgcfsYS4iFc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] dpkg Weirdness
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:28:13 + Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The KDE 2.2.2 Woody/unstable box that I'm building ran out of disk space the other day (already over 900 Mb used, and all I have is gcc, perl, python, kde, kdevelop and koffice ... jeez). Just to let you know, I just ran a fresh Woody install up in a chroot. build-essential(gcc and friends), almost all of XFree 4.x, all of KDE including kdevelop and koffice, Perl and friends, and Python and friends install to a total of just over 300M. Perhaps you need to clean out /var/cache/apt/archives? 'apt-cache clean' would remove all the .debs that have been downloaded and are still cached. Of course, I doubt you have 600M of old debs hanging about, so I imagine there's rather more than just gcc, perl, python, kde, kdevelop, and koffice :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpMXJU9qGM6h.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Framebuffer needed?
On 30 Jan 2002 20:36:14 -0600 Lance Hoffmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In trying to optimize my Voodoo 3500 with mplayer I compiled my kernel 2.4.17 with framebuffer support. Is this necessary, or what advantages do framebuffers have? In the docs it seems that fb's simply allow for similar config's on different architechures. Therefore, if one is running an Intel machine then it doesn't seem like framebuffers have any added advantage. Is this correct? As far as performance is concerned, you're right, there is no advantage. There are some kind of nifty benefits. As you mentioned, the config for multiple machines thing. And you can have graphics in the console. Not many apps or libraries have support for it, but it's still nifty. Also, since you're essentially running the console in a graphics mode, more text can fit on the screen while maintaining readibility. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpQ35bjc0iA8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: network isues.
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:41:02 + (UTC) Andrew J. Hoyos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently tried to set-up exim for sending mail on my lan. I have a 5 computer setup with one computer masq'ing my ppp connection. I can send and receive mail locally, and receive internet mail, but can't send it out. I am getting errors in mainlog, that say Network is unreachable For example, If I send a message to my self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) from the lan, I get a message that says Network is unreachable. I can ping hotmail.com, ftp hotmail.com and telnet hotmail.com, but telnet hotmail.com 25, gives me a network unreachable message. Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong? Where should I be looking? Oh my! Sounds like your ISP is blocking port 25. This would mean that you *MUST* use their SMTP servers. This isn't as horrible as it seems, since any decent MTA has support for using a single relay host to send mail. In Exim parlance, this is the smarthost. If you re-run 'eximconfig' and tell it that your ISP's SMTP server is its smarthost, I imagine the errors you're getting will go away. (BTW, you will probably encounter issues with sending mail directly to other computers' port 25. Many MTAs are extremely anal about who and who not to accept mail from.) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgppV9s34Mkq6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] dpkg Weirdness
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:31:44 + Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'm not at the box at the moment - I'll have a ferret around on it tomorrow. I've remembered that I have kernel source debs for 2.2.19 and 2.2.20, and one of them is unpacked, so that's another, what, 150 Mb ? It'll be a fair bit, especially if it's been compiled and you havn't done a 'make clean'. You might also look at the 'debfoster' package, it's amazing to help weed out packages that you don't want. Quick and easy once you're used to the interface. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpGQbci4EYlO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE screen colors
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:31:08 -0500 Jeff J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, just finished installing Woody. My video card is an nvidia geforce2 mx400. When you run KDE, everything appears fine. When you load a program (such as xmms) the program in the foreground looks okay, but the rest of your KDE desktop turns colors and gets a bit.. fuzzy? maybe that is not an accurate description. Anyhow, hopefully someone will know what I'm talking about and how to fix it. Sounds like you're running in a low bit-depth. Basically, if your video card or the video mode you're using doesn't support many colours, X will make the program that's focused look as best as it can, while sacrificing the programs which arn't in focus. If /etc/X11/X points to XFree86 (check by doing 'ls -l /etc/X11/X'), then you'll want to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 . In the Screen section, set DefaultDepth to 24. If /etc/X11/X points to something else(like XF86_something, probably SVGA), then you'll want to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config . I'm not 100% positive on what the option name will be, but it'll probably be DefaultDepth too. Enjoy. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpEMZ4dI8i0C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dictd quite memory hungry...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:24:36 +0100 (CET) Alexander List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have dictd 1.5.5-4 running on my System (Dual-PII-400), and it seems that though rarely used, it is the nastiest one concerning memory usage. Is there any reason for that? Shouldn't it be swapped out if unused?! snip ... 179 nobody 9 0 6100 6072 5264 S 0.0 2.3 0:00 dictd dictd is not really meant to be run by an end-user. On my system, 'ps aux | grep dictd' shows: nobody 306 0.0 3.9 34264 8840 ?S11:18 0:00 dictd 1.5.5: 0/0 Obviously a lot more that yours is using ;) But then again, I have many dictionaries installed. Uninstall dictd, the 'dict' client will go out and look up dictionaries on the 'net. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpG79fDBr9Ps.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Downloading huge files with Mozilla?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:14:24 -0800 Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net wrote: Do you think some user's might try to open the file before the download is complete? Yes. Many people do. For good reason, usually. I mean, you can start reading a .txt before it's done downloading. You can extract any number of archives in an incomplete manner, and work with what you have. What if the download fails to finish? That's exactly why it *should* download to the final destination. There's no way, short of doing a 'file' on all of the possible files, to know which file Mozilla half-downloaded is. And if you are downloading two tar.gz's, it'll be hard to differentiate them. How, then, do you resume the downloads? Can you do with with Mozilla? Maybe. But it sure is a bitch if you try with anything else. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Network card newbee
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:46:03 + Ben Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did nave a look around the web for this but no luck. I have just put a network card in my box but how do I get debian to recognize it and configure it? Find out the brand and model of the network card. If it's a PCI network card, the command 'lspci' in the package pciutils may help. Then visit http://lhd.datapower.com , and look up the card. Find out what driver it uses. Then run 'modconf' on your Debian system, and load the driver. That should be it. If it's an ISA card, you may have to use 'pnpdump' to configure it, but that's beyond the scope of this email ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: (Kinda OT) What makes Debian cool?
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:49:58 -0500 Noah Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course apt (which is nothing without the excellent work the package maintainers put in). I like the philosophical stance of Debian GNU/Linux being a big proponent of the GPL. I don't think KDE would even have changed their licence had it not been for Debian. My 2c :) Huh? KDE has *always* been GPL. Not only that, but Debian doesn't favor the GPL over other free software licenses by any means. Read the DFSG sometime. All licences which meet those criteria are equal in the eyes of Debian. Sure, that includes the GPL, but it also includes many other licenses: Xfree86, Apache, BSD, Artistic, etc etc. Sorry if I'm being overly pedantic. I don't think you're being overly pedantic, but the original poster simply made a mistake; it was QT (what KDE is based on, obviously) that has changed its license. Assuming that minor change in the first poster's message, their point is valid. Anyways, you guys both agree on the licenses in Debian issue :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: HOWTO-dd an MBR onto a HD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:47:20 -0500 Courtney Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that since I've copied all the filesystems from another running HD onto a new HD, that if I copy over the MBR that then I'll be able to boot and run the new HD as well. How do I properly copy over the MBR without disturbing the filesystems ? Assuming /dev/hda is the original drive, from which you're copying, and /dev/hdb is the target drive which you're copying to, the command: 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=1' should work. I think. :) Might want to let somebody else verify, because this isn't stuff you want to fool around with, and my memory has been known to be worse than a sieve. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Downloading huge files with Mozilla?
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:51:21 + Stig Brautaset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: links-ssl ? lol :) While links-ssl is a great browser which I use daily, it also has problems downloading large files ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Color control in Mutt Gnome terminal
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:48:09 -0800 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am starting to learn to use real Debian email. I have mutt, fetchmail, and exim working. But I am having trouble reading my email because I have diffi- culty reading deep blue characters on a black background or other pairings that are pre-configured options. How / Where can I configure background/foreground pairings that work for my eyes? What terminal emulator are you using? Almost all terminal emulators have the option of configuring what colour is displayed(with very fine granularity, for instance, using RGB colour codes) when an application requests blue(or red, or green, or whatever). I prefer this method over changing what colour Mutt requests. For many terminal emulators, four or five colours are difficult to see using the defaults. Instead of reducing the number of colours I let my applications use, I just modify what the terminal emulator displays, making them readable. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Upgrading Kernel the Debian way?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:18:19 -0500 dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Have they figured out how to read my mind and put the config I want in there? Of course not. They've done the next best thing and made it configurable. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Upgrading Kernel the Debian way?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:57:16 -0500 dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that why I ran vim /boot/grub/menu.lst in the first place? With a configuration as simple to manage as grub's is, I can't imagine why this would need to be automated. (X, yes; sendmail, yes; grub, not really) What are you trying to say? That update-grub should be removed? If not, then shut up. I really don't think anybody cares whether or not you or anybody else chooses not to use the script. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Upgrading Kernel the Debian way?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:39:53 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: man, i can't believe that you told dman--one of the most unreservedly helpful and still modest people on this list--to shut up. that's damn near slapping your mama in the face. dude, apologize. Well, firstly, I can also be a rather helpful member of the community too. While I haven't been there so much lately, I have literally spent countless hours in #debian helping hundreds of people with various issues(my nick there is ElectricElf). In this particular case, though, I wrote some fairly large chunks of the script in question. I don't know how many threads I've seen lately on the list which are fairly useless. I mean, dman doesn't need to use the script, that's fine. But many people do. So he doesn't find it useful :) That's great. No problems. I never liked lilo's automatic kernel management, so I didn't use it. But it didn't often *break* people's setups, so I didn't feel justified in asking that the maintainer of the package(who I was not) in removing it. And a lot of people probably did use the script after all. Yeah, okay, I was harsh. For that I'm sorry. But on the plus side, it did have the intended effect of stopping a thread in its tracks, and probably gave some people the idea that, just because they don't use something doesn't mean they're allowed to bitch about its mere existence. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: Mail - Palm sync
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:28:13 -0800 (PST) Paul 'Baloo' Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any jpilot conduits for syncing mail? What I'm looking for is basically something to copy all my messages to the Palm in folders, so I can read and respond when I'm at work, and sync it up when I get home. Does such a beast exist, or am I asking way too much? Sylpheed has a jpilot conduit ... I'm not sure if it's just for the addressbook, or mail, or what. Might be worth checking out. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--='
Re: base files for woody?
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:57:26 -0800 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to second this query. I would like to install Woody, not upgrade to Woody. I have downloaded Wait until it's released. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgp2hnd7qBuaL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNU parted and ext3
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:13:18 -0800 Calyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that they don't mix well. Here's the problem. I want to resize the FAT and ext3 partition on my laptop because FAT is truly fatter than the ext3 and linux actually could use a bit more space. So I wanted to do fair game and manage to shrink the FAT partition. Somehow parted cannot resize the ext3 partition so that it will take the empty space that FAT has released (ext3 is the partition right after FAT [spatially]) I'm thinking of removing the journal (the parted boot floppy doesn't have LILO), and then resize the drive, then put in the journal. I know how to put the journal back on but anyone knows how to remove the journal safely? Calyth Perhaps a perusal of Parted docs will help. :) In other words, in the Parted manual, you'll find that they explicitly state that Parted can not (as yet) change the position of the start of an ext2/3 filesystem :) You'll have to use another tool. There's no need to remove the journal, in any case. It's just another file. So unless you're resizing this partition while it's mounted read-write, you don't need to worry about it. Enjoy. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpKMz3X8HADM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: list all packages that are installed
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:54:03 -0800 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all. I've got more than one way of getting my list. But now I have another question: Where is this information stored on my computer? Since I am somewhat paranoid about things, what assurance do I have that the information returned by these invocations of dpkg reveal correctly the actual condition of my computer? /var/lib/dpkg/status Enjoy. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpKbH4C4bNNe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hardware Question
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:52:38 -0500 Jeff Flowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Debian support the SB512PCI? This is the same chipset as the SBLive! cards, an EMU. If so, how do you do it. Yup, fully supported. I know absolutely positively that Debian Potato 2.2r4 supports it, and previous versions probably do as well. In the module configuration stage of the installation, you can select the emu10k1 module. If you don't do it in the installation, adding it to /etc/modules will do just as well. After the module is loaded(check with 'lsmod'), then sound should be functional, as far as any kernel/driver issues are concerned. You should also 'adduser your regular user audio' so that your user can access the audio devices. On my system, for instance, it would be 'adduser david audio'. Enjoy. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpiFecBJhMwV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody 2.4 Netinst iso
On 12 Jan 2002 19:22:05 -0600 Nate Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took that to mean that his CD does not use a 2.4 kernel. Am I wrong? Close. First of all, Woody isn't released yet. By the time it is, who knows? Maybe i386 and PowerPC Debian installers will use 2.4 by default. As it stands, they use 2.2. However, some architectures will be using 2.4 for the installer, since support for those architectures doesn't exist in 2.2(I think ia64 is an example). -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgp31iUVh8AMA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xdm
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:01:55 +0100 Nike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I change the default desktop manager (for now it's Gnome) started by a remote xdm session to my debian box. Edit ~/.xsession on the box that you're logging in to. It's a shell script; it doesn't need to be executable. Make sure that the last command doesn't exit. It should be a session manager(like gnome-session) or a window manager or *something* that you won't quite until you log out. Indeed, when you do quiet that last program, it ends your X session. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpDyMduQ3udL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: list all packages that are installed
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:08:49 -0800 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I get a list of all the debian packages that are installed on my computer? Many solutions have been suggested, here's another. It will end up listing only the package names, nothing else. Useful for when you go to the other machine and want to do 'apt-get install $(cat package_list.txt)' :) [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~ ]$ dpkg --get-selections | grep install\$ | grep -v deinstall | cut -f1 Or, to put it into a file(in this case, package_list.txt): [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~ ]$ dpkg --get-selections | grep install\$ | grep -v deinstall | cut -f1 package_list.txt Enjoy. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpbfPt1wdsKd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Vs RedHat
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:10:51 -0800 Calyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's time to get to Woody? IMO rpm system sucks dependencies are never correct. Debs never have the same problem. Of course, that's a function of the maintainers and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the packaging software involved. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpjmyKrnwTPg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: why does a process gets killed?
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:19:24 +0100 Imre Vida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem i have is that on one of my machines the process gets killed after a certain number of cycles. (This number is not absolutely constant but has very small variation between 100-120.) If the memory use of the program grows at all over time(either through leaks or simply from the nature of the program), then you could be creating an OOM(out of memory) situation. The kernel will then attempt to free up resources. It uses a number of checks to see which processes to kill, but if your app doesn't have a low PID, isn't being run by root, and is taking up 99.999% of the memory, I imagine it'd be the first on the list ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpWllbWHhnwS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Vs RedHat
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:34:33 -0600 Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, that's a function of the maintainers and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the packaging software involved. :) Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? Yeah. As of a few years ago, though(when I was doing RPM packaging), it was file-based(ie: it would say it require libc.so.6 instead of glibc2.2 or whatever). That might have changes since, though. Or I might be remembering wrong, and perhaps it always used package names(assuming the library was in an installed RPM). BTW, I see where you're heading. Yes, obviously, a great build environment will significantly ease a maintainer's burdens. But I still say that it's on the shoulders of the maintainer :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpUtPP3dzCST.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ext2 - reiserfs
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:03 +0100 Mirek Dobsicek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During booting I got message that Invalid super blok on /dev/hda5 (ex2fs). Try run fsck .. and it sent me to 1 runlevel. You forgot to change /etc/fstab ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpX0eYZ4d2CR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ext3 vs xfs
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:22:49 -0500 Edward Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on which file system to use? ext3 or xfs? A bit of background; I used ReiserFS as my root partition(several gigs), /home, and /var for about a year and a half. I've been using XFS for about eight months or a year(since 2.4.0, at least). I have also used ext3 on and off. Right now I use XFS on all my workstations. I've had issues with ReiserFS which I won't go into detail here, in order to avoid starting a flamewar. My laptops, however, use ext2 and ext3, since XFS requires rather more resources(read: memory) than ext2, which resulted in out-of-memory situations whenever I had a big dpkg run to do. I switched them to ext2, and everything was fine. However, XFS performed better. I'm positive about that. So assuming your server has a decent amount of memory(the laptops in question only had 32M), you should be fine going with XFS. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpYvmwbcHFLA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: /var/lib/dpkg/status parse error
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:51:33 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any way i can get /var/lib/dpkg/status to re-write itself? i'm getting a parse error on a line number where i don't see any noticable errors, which is preventing the use of dpkg. Nope, sorry :| However, most parse errors explain which line, exactly, the problem is on, and give you a general idea as to what the problem is. So you should be able to correct it. If you can't(and if you arn't positive, you damned well better not try ;), then feel free to paste the complete error you're getting, as well as the relevant package record from /var/lib/dpkg/status (the one that's not parseable). -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpP7jf4D6exr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: /var/lib/dpkg/status parse error
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:51:33 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any way i can get /var/lib/dpkg/status to re-write itself? i'm getting a parse error on a line number where i don't see any noticable errors, which is preventing the use of dpkg. Oh, right, I forgot to say - check /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and /var/backups/dpkg.status.* ; if there's a version there that's not too old, you can always use that :) You'll have to re-install any packages since when that status file was made(as well as removing, purging, etc., etc.), but it's better than nothing ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgp8rjvh4kYNU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Package Repository
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:49:53 + Nicholas Avenell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a simple, step by set guide to turning a directory full of .deb files into something I can access with a sources.list entry. In this case, /var/cache/apt/archives/. While the other suggestions on the list I've seen will work, I'm partial to 'apt-get install httpd apt-utils' then 'cd /var/www; ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives/ debs; cd debs; apt-ftparchive packages ./ Packages; gzip -c Packages Packages.gz', then add a line to a source.list, deb http://server.name/debs/ ./ Always worked for me, and it's pretty simple. Repeat the 'apt-ftparchive' and 'gzip' commands whenever you add/remove debs from /var/cache/apt/archives. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpAvVUQxeaXc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mail server
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:39:31 -0800
Paul A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to put a REALLY small email server up at work using
Debian( I have a RH box I've put together but I like ... the feel of
this list/ what it says about Debian vs what I've encountered with RH
). I had heard about Sendmail and have visited their web site, however
did not see anything approaching a quick and dirty method to get up
and running. Actually didn't see a manual at all. I presume the man
page within the application itself would be what I'm after.
The more I look the more it looks like Sendmail is a project.
Which, if any, Linux based Email server applications require the least
tuning to get operational? Or are they all fairly 'configurable' and
thus time consuming? And of those recommended should we avoid any due
to illogical security defaults as with anything Microsoft puts out for
Email?
First ... your email is hard to read.
Second, I recommend Exim :) It's well-maintained, it's the default MTA,
and it's easy to set up. However, don't expect a magic wand. When I say
easy to set up, I'm comparing it to other MTAs with similar
functionality. Actually *read* the information it gives you during the
configuration phase('eximconfig' is the command that gives you that
configuration script-thing), and if you don't understand something then
*look it up*. I can't stress that enough. :)
Setting up an MTA well is non-trivial for somebody who hasn't done it
before, so it's not like it can be done with absolutely zero beforehand
knowledge :)
Enjoy ;)
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Re: R: XFree86 upgrade to 4.1.0
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:21:57 +0100 Ste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I first downloaded all the file the testing distro requested (included the recommended ones) then I tried dpkg -i xxx.deb . I didn't try the apt-get method because I would have create a list and so on first. I know the apt-get sounds a better way, but I would like to avoid to increase the work right now. I also found some package in a debian-people site: http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ as David Barclay Harris suggested to me. I will try it on a scratch system as long as I will find to time to do it!!! a) It is difficult to read your mails. Really difficult. You might investigate use of the enter key. :) b) Keep in mind that you can install multiple files with dpkg; put all the .debs in an empty directory, 'cd' to that directory, then 'dpkg -i *.deb'. That should avoid most dependency issues in a non-hackey manner. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpG4wU5xt1QC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Need scripting or redirection help in BASH
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:01:36 -0600 Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A day or two ago, I noticed that somewhere in my effort to get acquainted with my Debian box, a few hundred files of type 'c' (character, as opposed to regular or block) had shown up in my home directory. All were created 12/21/01. My wish is to be rid of them. I did: $ ls -l | grep Dec 21 | less Instead of using 'ls', I would suggest you use 'find' instead; and inspected the lot. There should be a way to delete these files using grep and redirection/piping or a shell script. My thought is some kind of iterative script, in pseudo code: for x in ( ls -l | grep Dec 21 ) do rm x( suitably parsed ) done So, with 'find', it would be: for i in $(find ./ -type c) do rm $i done -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpUzMwjfkg6r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: passwordless ssh on woody failed
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:06:39 -0500 Daniel Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure exactly what's going on here, maybe you just have some config option specifying this in sshd_config, but, according to the release notes on openssh.org, for version 3.0 of openssh, authorized_keys2 is now depracated in favor of authorized_keys. Supposedly, IIRC, support for it might be removed in the future. Interesting, the ssh(1) manpage doesn't refer to authorized_keys2 anymore, just authorized_keys(and in the SSH protocol v2 section, to boot). Thanks for letting us know :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpFExezltWLM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: xargs vi
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:43:47 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can anyone please explain this to me? seamus:/usr/local/share/phpgw# find . -name Root | xargs vi 221 files to edit Vim: Warning: Input is not from a terminal seamus:/usr/local/share/phpgw# vi `find . -name Root` 221 files to edit how the heck does vi get the difference between the two methods of calling it... In the first command, vi's input is STDOUT, not a terminal. In the second command, it's a terminal. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpEk5iuOFTH2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lastest stable release
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:43:33 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Potato 2.2r4 the lastest stable release ? What kernel is it ? I guess 2.2 ? Yes. Yes. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpq3l2zOPrwU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Framebuffer or....not to Framebuffer
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:26:21 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an nVidia GeForce 2 MX 400. I have compiled the nVidia drivers and it works fine. When I had originally compiled the 2.4.17 kernel, I had enabled the nVidia framebuffer in it. So, should I use it? Is their a performance increase or decrease when using the framebuffer. What are the advantages/dis-advantages to using the framebuffer? Using kernel framebuffer support can be/is entirely seperate from using XFree. Unless you tell XFree to use the framebuffer, it'll happily take over the video card and use its own drivers. You don't want to tell XFree to do that, though, trust me. But there is no reason whatsoever why you can't use kernel framebuffer support to have a nice console, and yet still use the nVidia drivers for XFree(without telling XFree to use the framebuffer). -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpwQARLAzQ41.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Framebuffer or....not to Framebuffer
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:19:39 -0500 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't want to tell XFree to do that, though, trust me. But there Bah, just to clear something up; I mean you don't want XFree to eschew its own drivers and use the kernel framebuffer instead. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgp73oQGl3qHt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: char-mode-only dist-upgrade?
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:19:18 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, when I do an apt-get -s dist-upgrade, it wants to install all of the gnome, font and a buch of other graphical stuff that I don't need nor have room for. This is probably because one of the packages you have installed now requires X. Various utilities in the 'apt' package can help you find out which package that might be. Of course, man doesn't mention it, but is there some way to do this: apt-get dist-upgrade --no-X, meaning that it won't install any GUI packages. There is no such thing :) That's not how it works ;) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpu91Rb168bI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GTK theme for sylpheed
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:36:13 +0100 R.Pac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable de locate the loadable module in module_path : « libpixmap.so », That theme requires the pixmap GTK theme engine. Many themes use it, though not all. It's available in the package, gtk-engines-pixmap. I suggest you take a peek at what other engines are available, with 'apt-cache search ^gtk-engines'. There are some very nice engines in there. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpASXXG3ITdy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFree86 upgrade to 4.1.0
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:28:39 +0100 stefao melchior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running debian2.2r4 with xfree86 3.3.6 on my laptop: I have tried to upgrade the x-system to the more recent 4.1.0 release, got from the woody release. I downloaded all the packets (.deb) from the debian's site and when I try to install xlibs it requests automatically the debconf package. I provide it to the previous package and it consequently ask me to upgrade perl from previously installed 5.004 version to 5.6. The system didn't allow the perl upgrade because it could't deinstall-remove, in fact it is a mandatory package! I was wondering if any of you can help me suggesting how to upgrade perl from 5.004 to 5.6. I suggest that instead of trying to use something that wasn't designed for what you're using it on, you use something which was specifically designed for what you're using. In other words, backported XFree 4.x packages, available at http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ Enjoy. :) -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpHfk0zYn05F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Locale issues after potato - woody
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:41:27 +1000 john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure this isnt right. On the console I'm getting 'C' for all values except LC_ALL, which is unset. Any ideas on how to fix this are appreciated. How are you setting those variables? If you're setting them in ~/.xsession, or if GDM is setting them for you, then logging in at the consol won't set them too. I would suggest you use /etc/environment; with a line like LANG=en_US or whatever(without quotes, of course). That being said, those errors you posted were just nonfatal warnings. You can safely ignore them if you'd like. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpQFTUjZn6GF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Local Sid/unstable repository.
To quote Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 05:18:18AM -0400, David B . Harris wrote: Hello there :) I'm looking to set up a local Debian mirror(for private LAN only, until we get more bandwidth), but only of the Sid/i386 I use fmirror and works fine. It has configuration file using perl like expression using PCRE library and it is superfast and lightweight. Package in debian is kind of old but building new personal package is very easy too. I made it and use locally. My configuration file example is attached. (Of curse I edited it to make compatible with debian version.) Thanks very much for your reply :) I'll try it out. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) pgpP9SXxITKIn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Local Sid/unstable repository.
Hello there :) I'm looking to set up a local Debian mirror(for private LAN only, until we get more bandwidth), but only of the Sid/i386 distribution. Now, anonftpsync seems pretty good, but I can't get it to work properly. I've gotten it to --exclude the proper things, but, unfortunatly, dists/sid/main/binary-all points to woody. Okay, no biggie. So, I fiddle around more. The best I could get was Sid/i386, and all of Woody. Not very good. :) I have also tried absurd_debmirror. Unfortunatly, it doesn't seem to deal with package pools. So, am I missing something? :) I hope so. P.S.: Please CC me; I'm only subscribed to -devel. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) pgp3PjjUZRoGn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: quick howto-command questions?
To quote john smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], # 1. How can I find out the total number of files (also hidden) in the current # directory? # # 2. How can I find out the total number of executable files (also hidden) in # the current directory? # # 3. how to find the total number of files of a given an extension? # (ex.*.tar.gz) # # 4.how to list files alphabetically that end in *.c? You can use 'find' for all of those. 'man find' :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Can't reach ipchains from 2.4
To quote Jonathan Markevich [EMAIL PROTECTED], # I'm trying to compile in ipchains emulation support in kernel 2.4, but make # xconfig has it greyed out and I have no idea what I need to enable to get to # it. Can someone point me in the right direction? You need to disable all 'iptables' support in order for IPChains compatibility to be available. Or, you have to compile everything iptables/ipchains-related as modules. Only one type can be in use at a time :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: GDM background image
To quote [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Martinovic), # Speaking of Gdm, has anyone else found that although in # /etc/gdm/gdm.conf i put my .gtkrc in for Gdm to load with my gtk # theme, it still loads with the default theme (which is really ugly)? Make sure the gtkrc file is readable by GDM. I think it runs as root, but I could be mistaken. If there's something wrong reading the file, GDM uses the default theme. Right now I've got it set to Marble3D, and it works fine. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: more with wget..
To quote Roberto Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED], # bash-2.03$ wget -c --timeout=90 --wait=50 # ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/2.2_rev2/i386/binary-i386-3.iso # --18:18:25-- # ftp://sunsite.auc.dk:21/pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/2.2_rev2/i386/binary-i386-3.iso #= `binary-i386-3.iso' # Connecting to sunsite.auc.dk:21... connected! # Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in! # == TYPE I ... done. == CWD pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/2.2_rev2/i386 # ... done. # == PORT ... done.== REST 316073944 ... done. # == RETR binary-i386-3.iso ... done. # Length: 263,397,416 [-52,676,528 to go] (unauthoritative) # # [ skipping 308650K ] # 308650K - ,, ,. .. .. .. [120%] # 308700K - .. .. .. .. .. [120%] # 308750K - .. .. .. # # What is happening? I've seen this a number of time, when resuming downloads. I imagine it's a wget bug. In any case, it never caused me any problems :) The files were always uncorrupted. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: SSH with IPmasq
To quote ray p [EMAIL PROTECTED], # I have a firewall (floppyfw) based that I am trying to do SSH through to # my Debian box on the other side and it will not work. I have uncommented # the lines that are supposed to allow forwarding to the box behind it in # the scripts and still everytime I try to connect I get connection # refused. I know that SSH is up and running on my Debian box and can # connect to it from other machines on my home network. But I can not get # to it from the other side of the firewall. Any ideas or suggestions please? I think this is a problem with your router, not Debian. That said, could you supply some more information? Specifically, any and all firewall rules that you have set up on the router(to get a list, run 'ipchains -L -n'). If you could attach whatever scripts the floppyfw uses to set up the firewall, that would be ideal. Also, you might consider going with a full-featured router-on-a-floppy distribution. the LRP(Linux Router Project) is good. For something a bit more friendly, check out the Coyote Linux distribution, which is also based on the LRP. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Output cron in mailbox
To quote mark's-debian [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hello, # # I setup a cronjob to fetch these mailinglists messeages from my mailserver. Everytime the job is run I get an email with the output from this job. How do I stop this. Because I'm afraid I'm loosing valuable diskspace Add /dev/null 21 to the end of the command; that'll route both standard output and standard error to /dev/null. That should catch everything. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: sylpheed in potato
To quote Marcelo Chiapparini [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hi everyone! # # It is possible to install sylpheed in potato without updating any library? # In the Debian site sylpheed belongs # to unstable, but the shylpheed web page says that it runs under potato... Well, what you can do is build the Sid package for your Potato system. Check out http://dharris.freeshell.org/linux/index.html . The first blurb there explains how to do it. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: New to Linux
To quote The Grand Oral Disseminator [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hi... # # I'm new to Linux, let's start with saying that! But I am thnking about installing Linux on my PC (Intel PIII 667MHz)... Can you give me some information about which distribution (A free distribution, since it is just my goal to have a mere 'meeting' with Linux, to get to know it - if you wish) would be best for me (I know about the Debian Distribution), where I can downlaod it, how I should install it, what other items I need, etc.. I think it depends on how much you know about computers, how quickly you learn new things, and how much you're willing to read. The last point is very important. People who know next to nothing about computers, and arn't too interested in learning should stick with Red Hat or Mandrake; they take care of a lot of setup chores which a lot of people just don't get. Most hardware in Debian has to be configured manually, at least partially. If you don't learn new things too quickly, I'd suggest Red Hat. It does a pretty good job of adding an eyecandy layer to everything, but underneath it it's a Linux system, no matter what. And no matter what people say, it's still designed primarily as a server OS. Using Red Hat, you'll likely be able to get up and running quickly, using a nice GUI, and then you can slowly get yourself accustomed to the hairier aspects of Linux. If you're unwilling to read much, you might as well not use Linux at all; you'll be stuck in GNOME or KDE, and you'll be missing out on the best things Linux has to offer. If you're a quick study, you don't mind reading, and you're familiar with the hardware within your computer, I strongly suggest Debian. It takes a little while to learn where everything is, and how you accomplish tasks, but once learned, Debian is extremely easy to use. Things are laid out, generally, with a fair bit of forethought. There are lots of little, very handy, Debian-specific utilities that are invaluable. Maintaining a Debian system is generally easier too, if you're using the stable variant. With Debian, stable means more than it won't crash, it also means we won't change things out from underneath you without due notice. On a Potato(the stable variant of Debian) system, you can generally safely upgrade the system without paying attention. I've also found that Debian's packages are generally of much higher quality. Since it's a community of volouteers, most people just package the apps they use on a daily basis, the apps they're most fond of. Since they only have one or two, and since they'll be using it themselvse, I find that they take to time to really make things right. Anyways, just my thoughts :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Strange /dev/pts/ problem
To quote Francois Gelis [EMAIL PROTECTED], # I am running libc6 version 2.2.1-1, with a kernel 2.4.0 in which I have # configured the use of the devfs architecture. The problem sounds like it might be because you're not running 'devfsd'. 'apt-get install devfsd', and reboot. If you're not using Woody or Sid, read http://dharris.freeshell.org/linux/index.html (the first blurb) to see how to (relatively) safely getting a Woody/Sid package on your Potato box. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Eek! X won't go away!
To quote MaD dUCK [EMAIL PROTECTED], # also sprach kmself@ix.netcom.com (on Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:42:15PM -0800): # $ startx args exit # # ...which is what I use (do what I mean, not what I say). I can assure # you there are no console sessions on this box. # # this will kill my X immediately and log off. the only way i got it to # work is by startx, ctrl-alt-f1, suspending, and then exiting. # obviously though, X remained suspended... # # not even startx sleep 10 exit works. Try 'nohup startx /dev/null 21 exit', and replace /dev/null with a logfile of your choice. If you omit it, nohup.out will be used instead. Of course, you can keep it as /dev/null , but that might make debugging more difficult ;) I'd also like to point out that [G,X,K,W]DM is built for this sort of thing ... David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Considering Debian
To quote Rainer Mager [EMAIL PROTECTED], # So, to make a long story short, how is the Debian package manager in this # regards? Do the same problems exist? Well, understand that there are two parts to the Debian packaging system. 'apt', and 'dpkg'. 'dpkg' is roughly equivalent to function, if not in features. 'apt' is a suite of utilities, and is generally what a user would use. Debian has what are called repositories; there are local mirrors in pretty much every country(I think ;). You can 'apt-get install package', and it will resolve dependancies for you. It'll install everything package needs, within limits. Sometimes two packages conflict, and sometimes you'll need to manually over-ride it(so that the other package gets removed). Anyways, it's pretty slick, compared to 'rpm' :) # How easy is it to mix package installed # pieces to pieces installed by hand? It's bad. Very bad. :) To make a long story short, just don't. If you *must* install something manually, pass --prefix=/opt --sysconfdir=/opt/etc or something to ./configure, to keep your own compiled apps seperate from the packaging system. A *lot* of problems that Debian users have is because they're mixing Sid or Woody(unstable Debian branches) packages in a Potato(stable Debian, currently) system. This causes numerous problems. A lot of problems are also caused by people side-stepping the package management system. Basically, if 'apt-get' and 'dpkg' don't want to install a package, you shouldn't. Things will break, and break badly. Thank being said, there are some 6000 packages or so for Debian's Sid branch. That's an awful lot of packages :) Most are pretty up-to-date, too, except for a few notable exceptions like Mozilla(which is currently stalled at M18). It's not too often that you'll have to do a manual installation of an app. If the occasion arises, it's not too hard to make your own .deb out of a source tarball, but I'll leave that exercise up to you :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Considering Debian
To quote Rainer Mager [EMAIL PROTECTED], # David (and all), # # Thanks for the reply. The part about mixing hand built stuff with pacages # in concerning as I do this quite often. The number of available packages is # encouraging but, nonetheless, I know occasions will arise. I've had to # build/install by hand X, glibc, postgres, the kernel, gcc, freeamp, and # others because of needing bleeding edge versions that fix bugs or because, # in debugging the current version, I needed a non-stripped binary. # Although the automatic installation abilities of apt sound nice, I find # that I usually want to actually download the, in my case, RPM so that I can # use it on multiple machines. That is, I question the benefit of this for me. # # Anyway, I wall continue to explore this and, once again, thanks for the # info. Well, unless you need CVS stuff, there's the unstable variant of Debian, Sid. Heck, it even has some CVS stuff :) For a while, KDE2 was from CVS... Anyways, there are plenty of bleeding-edge packages in Sid. Woody is supposed to be more tame than Sid, and Potato is really meant for servers, where things *can't* change out from underneath you. It sounds like you have the requisite skills to run a Sid system, so I'd suggest it. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: LONG FILE NAMES
To quote D. Hoyem [EMAIL PROTECTED], # attempted to put them in the /mount directory, one # would go there but the other would not... both were # labeled vfat:win95 and I assume that you can not have # 2 of the same in /mount. The problem is that when I You can only mount one partition per directory. If you want to mount both under /mount, you'll need to create two directories under /mount, and mount them each individually there. # open those drives to copy something from them to # Debian they use the short file name ie comm~1.deb # instead of communicator-base-275_4.75-2.deb, it is # this way if I use gmc or open the directory and use # ls. How do I correct this? When I look at a folder # on the cdrom they are the long file nameHelp. Be sure you're mounting them with the vfat filesystem type. Check /etc/fstab if that's where you've put in their information. It's probably set to fat16 or msdos right now. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: mouse works under gpm, but X screws it up
To quote Peter Jay Salzman [EMAIL PROTECTED], # append=-R imps2 -- this line was me fooling around Get rid of that, and instead add a this line: repeat_type=raw #Option Protocolimps/2 I don't know if it's case-sensitive, but IMPS/2 works for me... It might make a difference. #Option Device /dev/psaux Yeah, make it use /dev/gpmdata - gpm and X are fighiting over the mouse. # when i try to change gpm to use /dev/gpmdata, the mouse stops working under # gpm. i've been at this for awhile. can some kind soul tell me how to get # the mouse working under both console and X? it's a bummer having to kill # gpm everytime i want to start X up. Maybe I don't quite understand what you're saying, but here's how things work, ideally: 'gpm' uses the appropriate protocol, ie: imps2. 'gpm' repeats absolutely everything(raw repeat_type) to /dev/gpmdata X reads /dev/gpmdata, instead of the real mouse device. Everything is happy. :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: LILO and big HD's
To quote Raffaele Sandrini [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hi # # I have win and lin insalled on my computer # unfortunally windows must be on the first partition wich is 20 GB's big. the # next 20 GB's are for debian. Is there any chance to get LILO working under # this circumstances (perhaps a new version or something like that)? Yup, the more recent version of Debian have large IDE disk support. You need to add the line: lba32 to the top of your lilo.conf to enable the code for it. Woody(testing) and Sid(unstable)'s LILO packages are fairly recent, but Potato(stable)'s are pretty old. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: LILO and big HD's
To quote Peter Jay Salzman [EMAIL PROTECTED], # don't have this problem, just for my own knowledge... # # doesn't this require a quasi-new bios? since lilo can only bootstrap using # whatever services the bios allows. True enough, it does require a BIOS with EDD support. The LILO sources have a bit on it, I think. Also, I think almost any Pentium-compatible BIOS has it, so you're looking at five year old computers :) If you've got a five year old computer, the $200 spent on a hard drive with which LILO would need EDD support could be better spent elsewhere :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: LILO and big HD's
To quote Pann McCuaig [EMAIL PROTECTED], # On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 17:22, Raffaele Sandrini wrote: # # I have win and lin insalled on my computer # unfortunally windows must be on the first partition wich is 20 GB's big. the # next 20 GB's are for debian. Is there any chance to get LILO working under # this circumstances (perhaps a new version or something like that)? # # Reaches everywhere on my 30G disk partitioned like so: # snip # That is, all 4 partitions are bootable via lilo. Hmm... Try putting a kernel on the last partition, and then get LILO to boot from it. If it works, would you mind sharing your lilo.conf? David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: 2.4.1 install successful - what's up with modconf?
To quote Aaron Brashears [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Thank you to all who let me know some more information about kernel # 2.4.1. It installed flawlessly, runs smoothly so far, and if anything # seems lightning quick. I'm looking forward to reformatting some of the # partitions as reiser and play around with it for a while. # # However, I'm really confused by one last issue. When I run modconf, it # doesn't think I have any modules available. However, the rest of the # module utilities seem to work ok. For example: I imagine it's just that 'modconf' hasn't been updated to be 2.4.1-compat yet... No biggie, I'm sure it'll happen(and I'll do it myself if I have to, to make sure I'm not blowing hot air ;). David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Running Deb on old PCs
To quote dickson chow [EMAIL PROTECTED], # 1. How can i install debian at its bare minimum? (HD space is only # 340mb. sorry if this is a dumb question. i'm new to linux and the linux # structure is totally alien to me. i'm trying very hard to learn it # though :) What I would do is extract base2_2.tgz (the base Debian system) to the target Debian root partition. I'd set up LILO, make it bootable and whatnot. There, now you're got the most minimum Debian system available(I think, anyways :)... It's pretty small, the tarball is only 15M. Do get walked through the configuration, 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config'. That should run pretty much everything you'd get during a normal installation routine. After that point, 'apt-get install' very very few packages. Only the ones you absolutely need. I'm not sure if it's possible to 'apt-get remove' anything that was in base2_2.tgz; I think all those packages are marked essential and hence can't(or shouldn't, anyways ;) be removed. # 2. is it possible to get mgetty to fax out a document recieved from # another computer on a lan (ie. from a windowz computer)? I believe there are some Win32 clients around ... or I might be thinking of Hylafax. I'm not sure ... anyways, check http://www.freshmeat.net , it's a great place. You could also check http://www.appwatch.com , but I don't think the latter has any more software listed than the former. # 3. is it possible to get mgetty to email me the voice messages and # faxes? or at least notify me by email that i have new voice messages and # faxes? i'm guessing i need to write a complex script for that? Yes. But I'm not sure if the script would be terribly complex. 'apt-get install mgetty-docs' on a computer that has a wee bit more hard drive space, then poke around. I don't think it's all that difficult, from what I've read in the docs. # 4. maybe check faxes and voices messages using a web browser? that way i # can check my messages when i'm out of time or something hehe. That'd be more complex; you'd probably have to write a web front-end ... and you'd also have to install some sort of webserver :( At 340M, you're already going to be limited to how many voice messages you can store with only the base Debian config; adding big stuff like a webserver might make matters worse. # 5. would it be easier to compile my own kernel and get all this to work? Compiling your own kernel and getting the goals you've set forth accomplished have rather little to do with one another :) Anyways, you *are* going to have to work a fair bit to get this to work, there's no mgetty-voice-fax-web-frontends-with-emailing-scripts-and-magic-wand package :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Running Deb on old PCs
To quote Gavin Hamill [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Just my two cents' worth here... I did a semi-manual potato install # recently (i/e/ selecting individual packages from the menu rather that # just the groups) and have ended up with a full mail and # web/SSL/PHP/mod_perl system with quite a few extra odds and ends in under # 200Mb... 340 should leave plenty of room even for a kernel recompile :) Thanks for the reply :) I'm not sure how much the voice/fax data will take up though. Worst case scenario is that it's uncompressed. At that point, you can look at around 1.5-7M per page per fax(depending on quality), and I think it's about 10M per mintue of uncompressed audio, although I'm not sure of that. Suddenly, that extra 140M doesn't feel quite so roomy ;) To the original poster: make sure the faxes and voice messages are compressed :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: after 'su -', 'Can't open display'
To quote James Sinnamon [EMAIL PROTECTED], # My apologies for a question that should have been answered over and over # again on this No problem at all :) But check the archives next time. Since you have a specific string to seach for(Can't open display), a search would provide good results. # When I start X Windows, using the KDE window manager, I change to root X Window System. X11R6. X11. X Windows System. *Not* X Windows. For trademark reasons :) Commonly just reffered to as X. Also, KDE isn't a window manager, it's a desktop environment. It has an application launcher/panel, a file manager, desktop controls, and indeed it does have a built-in window manager :) # (with su - ) # for administrative tasks. However I seem unable to run X window # applications. Try just using 'su', instead of 'su -'... It might fix your problem. # Whatever X application I try to run, I inevitably get a message similar # to ... unable to open display. # # Previously on other distributions of Linux, I have used, as root : # # export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 # # and, prior to that, as the normal user that started the X window # session: # # xhost localhost # # This somehow doesn;t work on Debian Linux (unstable distribution). If just using 'su' doesn't work, and when you're in 'su', $DISPLAY is set (if 'echo $DISPLAY' returns anything, it's likely set correctly), you might need to run 'xhost +localhost' as the user who started the X session. You'll have to do this before you try to run any X apps as root, and it'll have to be done each time you log in and start KDE. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: rc.local
To quote Vittorio De Martino [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Having experience of Linux RedHat, is there anyone out there able to tell me # where is the equivalent of the rc.local file in Debian and where can I find # it? There's isn't any rc.local per se, but executables in /etc/rc.boot/ will be run on boot-up, after everything else. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: grep and memory problems with kernel 2.4.1
To quote Thomas Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED], # i do cd / # # grep -r hallo * # # und then cames a memory enhausted and the network is down. Well, since you're specifying -r, it's going recursively through subdirectories ... I don't know for sure, but maybe it's running into some problems with some of the devices in /dev? :) Remember, most of them are just like files, you can 'grep' them all you want, even if it's not always a good idea ;) I doubt this would be specific to 2.4.1, though. Have you tried it in 2.2.x? Do you get the same errors(or similar ones) there? David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: grep and memory problems with kernel 2.4.1
To quote Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED], # the /dev directory indeed just lists a list of names wich are linked to # device driver files through the inode table # # so in fact you're grep-in the output of the /dev, if this contains some # control chars it might hang your grep command, you should* be able to kill # this from another console # Umm... More than that; since -r is passed to grey, and those devices are, for the most part, regular files, they themseves are grepped. For instance, 'grep -r hello /*', will eventually lead to grepping /dev/hda. You'll be grepping your entire bloody harddrive. :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Kernel compile comments
To quote Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hey, give the guy a break. Of course he's aggravated, although it may # be that only a little RTFM would clear things up. I wasn't really the aggrivation that bothered me... I've dealt with many a frustrated newbies. What does bother me is guilt-trips. Intended or not, that fellow tried to make people bad, by saying he is considering switching back to another distribution. If you stop and think about it rationally(even I didn't do that at first), it's not a wholly useless idea. No distribution is right for everyone. Debian is a community, after all. I contribute by helping everyone I can(mostly in #debian). So, if this fellow wishes to call upon that community for help, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask he not try to emotionally manipulate people, whether that be threatening to use another distribution, or whining about how tough things are. Sorry, just the way I feel :( David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Debian or Linux 7???
To quote Steve Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hi! # # I am frustrated with the linux 2.2 kernel. I have had two hacks in 3 months # and I am going broke rebuilding my server. # # I went out and bought Redhat 7, and got hacked 6 weeks later. # # I have been placed in contact with a guy who wants me to use Debian. But if # it based upon the same kernel as redhat, how is it going to be more secure? # I checked and found that # # from (http://www.securityfocus.com/) # Security risks for years: 1997-2000 respectively: # Debian 3, 2, 32, 45, 12 # RedHat 6, 10, 49, 85, 20 # # So Debian is about twice as good as redhat, but that is not real reassuring. # # I am considering joining the debian family, but am a bit concerned about # security. # # Just how much more secure is Debian than redhat? A little lesson in security: A computer is as secure as the admin is thoughtful and thourough and knowledgable. Red Hat can be just as secure as the most secure Debian box, and vise versa. The Linux kernel itself is only a relatively small part of a fully-functioning server. It is, of course, incredibly important :) Anyways, the kernel itself is actually pretty darned secure; it's the programs underneath it you need to worry about. You need to secure your web server software, your file sharing software, everything. *that's* where you're getting hacked - not in the kerel. Anyways, if you're running a business, I think you should either spend some money and hire someone to come in and help you secure your server, or you/your admin should start reading Unix administration guides. A competent admit can secure whatever distribution of Linux is put in front of him. An incompetent admit won't be able to secure anything. Debian, in a default installation, is more secure than Red Hat, but that isn't saying much. The default installation of Debian wouldn't work too well as a full-blown modern webserver, for instance. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Debian or Redhat 7???
To quote Steve Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Well first, I repent of calling Linux 7: Redhat 7. Yes I am new. I have # been maintaining my own box from a su level for about 3 months. That is why # I was calling in an expert to install Debian tomorrow. It has become quite # obvious to me that I am way over my head in trying to get my server secure. That may be the case... Let me tell you something from my own experience. I've done tech support for going on twelve years, off and on. I'm not talking about customer tech support ... I'd call myself an admin, but I'm more of a troubleshooter. Of course, I have friends and family I always lend a hand to. Anyways, you seem fairly secure with yourself, so you probaly don't need to hear this, but I can't be sure, so I'll say it anyways. I'd say, without a doubt, 90% of the people I've ever met can get a $60,000 CDN a year job working with computers, with just a bit of tutelage. Usually I only need to work with a complete computer-illiterate person before they have the basic skills necessary to troubleshoot a problem. After that, the only thing you can get is experience. Anyways, I strongly encourage you to continue asking questions on the list here, in the #debian IRC channel on irc.openprojects.net, and to your friends. After a few months, if you're willing to put in the effort, you'll probably have enough general knowledge to start reading (and understanding!) various HOWTOs and program documentation packages. At that point, the only thing holding you back would be the amount of time you could spend reading and learning. Anyways, it's always best to administer your own box. Failing that, it's best to have a full-time admin, who's responsible for your box. Anyways, have fun :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: ide cdrom - scsi emu problems
To quote Jerrud [EMAIL PROTECTED], # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mount /cdrom # mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, #or too many mounted file systems #(aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, #instead of some logical partition inside?) # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Don't know about that ... # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mount /dev/hdc # mount: can't find /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mount /dev/hdd # mount: can't find /dev/hdd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab # [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Looks like you don't have entries for /dev/hd[c,d] in your /etc/fstab . If that's the case, you have to specify the mountpoint, ie: 'mount /dev/hdc /cdrom' or 'mount /dev/hdd /cdrom'. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Modules, modprobe, and 2.4.1 kernel
To quote Dean A. Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hello all, # #I recently configured, compiled, and installed the 2.4.1 kernel. So # far things are going ok with it. # # However, modprobe has stopped working correctly, and can't find any # modules. Chances are, you need a newer version of modutils. Here's a quick way to get the appropriate version, made for your particular platform(Debian Potato, I'm guessing). 1) Add a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to testing, as opposed to potato or stable. Remove this line when you're done. 2) As root, 'apt-get -b source modutils'. 3) As root, 'dpkg -i modutils.deb, which was created with the previous command'. There you go :) If you read /path/to/kernel/sources/Documentation/Changes , you'll see the versions of all the programs you need to run a 2.4.x kernel. # Thanks for any help you can give! No probs. In return for this help, please refrain from posting your question multiple times to the mailing list. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Where are the iso images for woody?
To quote [EMAIL PROTECTED], # I guess the subject is clear enougth, does woody come with XFree4.0 and # kde2? There are currently no Woody ISOs. Whether Woody will have XFree86 4.0.x or KDE2 will be determined when Woody is frozen, or when the part of Woody that those packages are in is frozen. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Kernel compile comments
# Comments or suggestions welcome but it looks like I have wasted my time and # should have stayed with RH With an attitude like that, you should have stayed with Red Hat. Or better yet, Windows. When you having nothing installed other than Windows, Office, and Internet Explorer, it's fairly stable. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: open ports remaining
To quote Glenn Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED], # # All, # # I have been trying to secure my Debian box, which enjoys a DSL # connection. I've been going through /etc/inetd.conf, commenting out # services, and K'ing others in the /etc/rc2.d/, until what I have left is # the following (output from nmap): # # Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): # PortState Protocol Service # 22 opentcpssh # 25 opentcpsmtp # 53 opentcpdomain # 111 opentcpsunrpc # # So, the questions: I have read some about sunrpc in the list archives but # have not found how to close the port; don't know what domain is, and am # confused smtp is still there since I've commented out the line in # inetd.conf ... I have set my hosts.deny to # # ALL EXCEPT sshd: ALL # # ... I guess then port 22 is not a concern? Personally, I've never put a whole lot of faith into just turning services off. Now, I could be wrong. What I usually do is use 'ipchains' to set up a firewall. Not that it helps you here, but it's something to think about :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Simple Questions
To quote Leonard Leblanc [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hey All, # # I have just a quick (and probably stupid) question. I was under the # impression that you could just place scripts in the cron.daily, # cron.monthly, and cron.weekly directories and that those scripts would be # run. Now either there is an error in my script or I'm not doing something # right. Can someone give me a procedure for adding a job to the cron # schedule...? You are correct there... A couple of things to look for: Is the script executable? 'chmod +x script' Does the script have #!/bin/sh or whatever language the script is written in for the first line? David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update
Okay, first of all, please use paragraphs. They exist for a reason :) Since it's too much trouble for me to break things up to present a nice clear, response, you'll have to deal with my babbling. First of all, if your mouse isn't initialized as an IntelliMouse, it pretends it's a regular PS/2 mouse. Second, gpm gets to your mouse before X, so you have to be positive that your mouse type is set to imps2 in /etc/gpm.conf . Third, it sounds like both GPM and X are trying to use /dev/psaux. Check to see what /dev/mouse is linked to. Since you're using GPM and X, specify explicitly in XF86Config[-4] that the mouse device is /dev/gpmdata, not /dev/mouse . Now, try rebooting, after making sure all those config options are set properly. If it still doesn't work, set X to use /dev/psaux, type ImPS/2, 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*gpm' to stop 'gpm' from being started on boot, and then re-boot. Hopefully that will work. If it doesn't, you have problems that arn't caused by X or gpm. The reboots are necessary, and they have to be hard-boots. This is because of the mouse initialization thing. Hope that helps :) To quote Dave Bresson [EMAIL PROTECTED], # # # Hi there, # # # I'm having a problem with my Microsoft Intellimouse (an intellimouse with # two buttons and a scroll wheel that uses the ps/2 interface) since going # from a 2.2.x kernel to 2.4.1. The way i have setup (and how everything # worked perfectly before this upgrade) was that gpm was set to read from # /dev/psaux using the imps2 protocol. It then repeats this to /dev/gpmdata # which i then have /dev/mouse linked to. My XF86Config-4 is setup so that # it knows the mouse is at /dev/mouse, and uses the imPS/2 protocol. I also # have a line for the Zaxis stuff to get the scroll wheel to act like # buttons 4 and 5 in X so that the wheel works. Anyway, all this is well # and good because it was this exact setup that worked before the new # kernel. Anyway, since upgrading the kernel, gpm no longer works on # /dev/psaux with the imps2 protocol (hence, X doesn't work either...). The # mouse just goes all crazy moving all over the place, and pushing random # buttons and what not. So i set gpm and X to use the regular ps/2 # protocol, and everything was fine, however i get no third button or # scroll wheel anymore, which sucks. Just in case this was just a gpm # problem, i tried having X read directly from /dev/psaux using the IMPS/2 # protocol, but unfortunately got the same bad result. Does anyone have any # idea what might be the problem here? It had to have been something i # configured wrong in the kernel...however i don't know what, since it just # made the IMPS/2 stuff not work, while the regular PS/2 still works...very # strange. Any ideas, or tips? # # # thanks, # # # # dave # # # # # -- # To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: IMPS/2 problems after kernel 2.4.1 update
To quote Dave Bresson [EMAIL PROTECTED], # On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, David B. Harris wrote: # Yeah, sorry about that...my babbling doesn't translate well to paragraphs. # Ah well... :) # First of all, if your mouse isn't initialized as an IntelliMouse, it # pretends it's a regular PS/2 mouse. # # Right. What do you mean by 'initialized'? You mean initialized as in # what gpm.conf and XF86Config-4 have it set as? Or something else? Well, it depends on what gets to the mouse first. If X gets to the mouse first, then it'll be initialized as whatever XF86Config-4 has it set to. If gpm gets to it first, it'll be initialized to whatever gpm.conf thinks it is. Anyways, I'm sure this is all very confusing, and it took me nearly a month to figure out what was going on :) Basically, you *have* to make sure that whatever gets to the mouse first initializes it to the highest degree possible. The means using the protocol that most closely matches what the mouse actually uses. # Third, it sounds like both GPM and X are trying to use /dev/psaux. Check # to see what /dev/mouse is linked to. Since you're using GPM and X, # specify explicitly in XF86Config[-4] that the mouse device is # /dev/gpmdata, not /dev/mouse . # # # Well, since X wants to use /dev/mouse , i made it a sym link to # /dev/gpmdata (since that is what gpm is set to repeat to) I guess i # probably shoulda stated that it was just a link in my previous email. I had thought this ... but since 'gpm' and X were conflicting, I wasn't sure. Are you using devfs with devfsd? Double-check the /dev/mouse is a symlink to /dev/gpmdata. Using devfsd, changes arn't always kept over a reboot. # Now, try rebooting, after making sure all those config options are set # properly. If it still doesn't work, set X to use /dev/psaux, type # ImPS/2, 'rm /etc/rc2.d/*gpm' to stop 'gpm' from being started on boot, # and then re-boot. Hopefully that will work. If it doesn't, you have # problems that arn't caused by X or gpm. # # Okay, i had tried this before, however it was without the reboot, so i # tried it again. As it turned out, this fixed it. Pointing X straight to # /dev/psaux, and not starting gpm at all did it. Which leads me to believe # that gpm doesn't work with the new kernel 2.4.1 i set up, since the old # configuration worked just fine with 2.2.18...very strange. Any ideas on # why this might be? Yup, I figured a reboot would fix it. :) It's that bloody initialization thing. I don't think it's a problem with gpm and 2.4.x. I'm running 2.4.1-ac15, with devfs, but without devfsd and it works fine. I think that if gpm.conf is set to use the imps2 protocol, it should work. Just to humour me, try explicitly stating in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that X should use /dev/gpmdata. Make sure 'gpm' starts at boot time, and re-boot. If that doesn't work, feel free to contact me for more help :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: Antwort: Rebooting is foolish ....
To quote William T Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED], # On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # You don't need to reboot to change the hostname, either. The command is # 'hostname'. # # You need to reboot to change the partition table of a disk with mounted # filesystems, and you need to reboot to recompile the kernel, and you need # to reboot for hardware upgrades. That's about it, really... You also need to re-boot for some hardware re-initialization. See the recent thread on XFree 4.0.2 and an IntelliMouse-compatible mouse. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
