Re: another dependency question
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:58:39 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 26.10.2013 13:37, Reco a écrit : > > You don't need w3c validator if you have browser compatibility list. > > This is the way this industry work - you don't have browser they like > > - you don't use their product. > > Fine for me. It's exactly what I'm doing. > But, saying that opera does not respect standards, without checking if > the targets you try to use with it are themselves respecting standards > seems a bit partial, to me. No, just incomplete. Other browsers aren't that better in that regard - something is always broken for them too. > If I consider your statement, then, IE is a standard, since it is used > by a lot of internal applications. It sure is a standard for people > developing those applications, but, not a real standard imo. Of course IE is not a real standard. And at least Oracle's ADF looks and behaves wrong in IE too (I have to believe users on that part, as I refuse to use this thing). And even if something works in IE then speed is suboptimal, and security looks like a Swiss cheese. > >> > Ok, but. This implies that opera's implementation of HTML standard > >> is > >> > flawed somehow, as webpages require additional testing. > >> > >> According to what I have read, they usually test their work for IE, > >> firefox and chrome. For old IE, it is well known fact that standard > >> is > >> not respected. But FF and chrome do claim respecting it well, so why > >> testing in both? > > > > If you did browser, did you claim that it doesn't support standards? > > They need to claim it, or they'll loose users. Heck, even MSFT claim > > that their browser parody complies with standards. > > Indeed. That's why I can not even trust mozilla, even if they are > maintaining (I won't say making) an open source browser. There are bad things about Mozilla imo: Agile development of their Firefox (meaning - something is always broken), designers making the decisions instead of developers (meaning - huge feature creep), strong desire to do anything in javascript. Still, their product works most of the time, and then it doesn't (or end result is way too ugly) - there's always a Greasemonkey (they call it userscripts in opera, I beleive). Firefox is mostly free software, which counts for me. > > In reality - today HTML5 is a 'moving standard' (meaning, W3C > > Consortium > > shove new features in it every day, and they won't stop doin' that). > > Wrong. It is a non finished standard. Which means it is not a standard > currently. http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ Please read chapter '1.5 Development Model'. Those people consider that even HTML4 is not implemented anywhere. Hence, > > Claiming compliance to HTML standard is simply marketing. > > That's why I do not mind about people using HTML compliance to > advertise a browser against others. I simply look at my personal uses of > Internet. Opera was better, on a point that Firefox was worse. So I > switched. Then, other details here and there avoided me to go back to > firefox, and things becomes worse by the time. You have a point here. > It sounds like a more imaged way to say the same thing as me. Excepted > the fact that I do no claim to know if Satan is really so bad. I simply > prefer to make my own opinion myself, instead of trusting religious > mafias. I refuse to open that can of worms :) Let's keep this list PG-13 clean. > > Author has questionable morality, but luckily it > > doesn't creep into his product. Free (as in libre) software too. > > > > Reco > > Morality is always questionable. Problems comes when people stop to > question morality. In every domains. Questioning is the key for > progressing. One could argue that people who makes or use advertisements > have questionable morality, too. ( note that I am simply using the same > vague phrase in the other direction. I do not specially argue for a > point of view here. ) I was talking about this story: https://adblockplus.org/blog/attention-noscript-users -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131027110400.281153c6ea3b0cfdcb3e7...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
Le 26.10.2013 13:37, Reco a écrit : > SunFire X-series ILOM web-interface, for example. Unusable in opera. > IBM's HMC web-interface. Unusable in opera. > Anything based on Oracle's ADF will get you one big 'you're not > welcome > here, boo' if you use opera. > Sadly, some of us need to use browsers to do work, not to surf > Internets. Indeed. I do not have access to those pages, but by curiosity, how do they pass the w3c validator? I know that not so many stuff pass it without errors/warnings, but I am curious. Could it be a site's bug? ( no trolling here, real question ) You don't need w3c validator if you have browser compatibility list. This is the way this industry work - you don't have browser they like - you don't use their product. Fine for me. It's exactly what I'm doing. But, saying that opera does not respect standards, without checking if the targets you try to use with it are themselves respecting standards seems a bit partial, to me. If I consider your statement, then, IE is a standard, since it is used by a lot of internal applications. It sure is a standard for people developing those applications, but, not a real standard imo. > Ok, but. This implies that opera's implementation of HTML standard is > flawed somehow, as webpages require additional testing. According to what I have read, they usually test their work for IE, firefox and chrome. For old IE, it is well known fact that standard is not respected. But FF and chrome do claim respecting it well, so why testing in both? If you did browser, did you claim that it doesn't support standards? They need to claim it, or they'll loose users. Heck, even MSFT claim that their browser parody complies with standards. Indeed. That's why I can not even trust mozilla, even if they are maintaining (I won't say making) an open source browser. In reality - today HTML5 is a 'moving standard' (meaning, W3C Consortium shove new features in it every day, and they won't stop doin' that). Wrong. It is a non finished standard. Which means it is not a standard currently. Claiming compliance to HTML standard is simply marketing. That's why I do not mind about people using HTML compliance to advertise a browser against others. I simply look at my personal uses of Internet. Opera was better, on a point that Firefox was worse. So I switched. Then, other details here and there avoided me to go back to firefox, and things becomes worse by the time. I think ( only supposition here, web dev is not my field at all ) it's because HTML standard is a little like C++ standard: it does not say how things have to be implemented, only a "general description", if you see what I mean. So it is needed to test on more than one implementation, because behaviors and performances are not same everywhere. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ says: 'If C++ has taught me one thing, it’s this: Just because the system is consistent doesn’t mean it’s not the work of Satan. — Andrew Plotkin' Applies to HTML too IMO. It sounds like a more imaged way to say the same thing as me. Excepted the fact that I do no claim to know if Satan is really so bad. I simply prefer to make my own opinion myself, instead of trusting religious mafias. I think plugins too can be, am I wrong? You can definitely do it without Firefox restart with a couple of mouseclicks. The point was that I feel like I have more control on how behaves my browser with opera than with firefox. But, to be honest, that JS option is not very nice to use in opera, since you have to: right clic on site, edit website's preferences, select script tab, check or uncheck the first checkbox "enable JS", validate, and finally reload. NoScript, just use it. Yes, I was not sure about the name. Author has questionable morality, but luckily it doesn't creep into his product. Free (as in libre) software too. Reco Morality is always questionable. Problems comes when people stop to question morality. In every domains. Questioning is the key for progressing. One could argue that people who makes or use advertisements have questionable morality, too. ( note that I am simply using the same vague phrase in the other direction. I do not specially argue for a point of view here. ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1256b2a2a9b36ebc952f23c49103c...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question
On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 04:29 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > People that like to put other people in categories, and those who > don't. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382802244.656.192.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:20:06AM +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> Bonjour, > >> > >> I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No > > > > We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A > > search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed > > more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. > > Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! > > OK. At least some compassionate people who have encountered the same > problem here, could have given me some clue. Was there no clue in my suggestion regarding a Google search? > I know that debian is totally free... But there are two kinds of people People that like to put other people in categories, and those who don't. In fact, one hit from my suggested search is: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ In particular, see sections 2.7 and 2.8 -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152946.GH11629@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:07:17PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 12:00 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > About the fact that adobe should maintain their products... I can only > > agree. > > That's the whole point. Other distros and Debian give you and me the > libre to use proprietary, restricted software. We sometimes need it and > we are free to use it, but the distro maintainers can't do the support > for proprietary software. My point was that Debian can't be responsible for problems caused by third party repositories (in this case, the deb.multimedia repository) I pointed the OP to a Google search where he could read/research the particular problems which have happened to people. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152119.GG11629@tal
Re: another dependency question
Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:15:28 +0530 Kailash wrote: > To convert a PowerPoint presentation with embedded multimedia to PDF > would be one example. Thank you for the idea. Such presentation is an invaluable tool for dissolving audience attention completely. There's just thing I can not get yet - for what purpose one can use such converted PDF. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026181611.a511e02119dfc3e987245...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
> why produce PDF with such > capabilities. > > Reco > > To convert a PowerPoint presentation with embedded multimedia to PDF would be one example. K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/526bc778.4090...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
> > SunFire X-series ILOM web-interface, for example. Unusable in opera. > > IBM's HMC web-interface. Unusable in opera. > > Anything based on Oracle's ADF will get you one big 'you're not > > welcome > > here, boo' if you use opera. > > Sadly, some of us need to use browsers to do work, not to surf > > Internets. > > Indeed. > I do not have access to those pages, but by curiosity, how do they pass > the w3c validator? I know that not so many stuff pass it without > errors/warnings, but I am curious. Could it be a site's bug? ( no > trolling here, real question ) You don't need w3c validator if you have browser compatibility list. This is the way this industry work - you don't have browser they like - you don't use their product. > > Ok, but. This implies that opera's implementation of HTML standard is > > flawed somehow, as webpages require additional testing. > > According to what I have read, they usually test their work for IE, > firefox and chrome. For old IE, it is well known fact that standard is > not respected. But FF and chrome do claim respecting it well, so why > testing in both? If you did browser, did you claim that it doesn't support standards? They need to claim it, or they'll loose users. Heck, even MSFT claim that their browser parody complies with standards. In reality - today HTML5 is a 'moving standard' (meaning, W3C Consortium shove new features in it every day, and they won't stop doin' that). Claiming compliance to HTML standard is simply marketing. > I think ( only supposition here, web dev is not my field at all ) it's > because HTML standard is a little like C++ standard: it does not say how > things have to be implemented, only a "general description", if you see > what I mean. So it is needed to test on more than one implementation, > because behaviors and performances are not same everywhere. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ says: 'If C++ has taught me one thing, it’s this: Just because the system is consistent doesn’t mean it’s not the work of Satan. — Andrew Plotkin' Applies to HTML too IMO. > I think plugins too can be, am I wrong? You can definitely do it without Firefox restart with a couple of mouseclicks. > The point was that I feel like > I have more control on how behaves my browser with opera than with > firefox. But, to be honest, that JS option is not very nice to use in > opera, since you have to: right clic on site, edit website's > preferences, select script tab, check or uncheck the first checkbox > "enable JS", validate, and finally reload. NoScript, just use it. Author has questionable morality, but luckily it doesn't creep into his product. Free (as in libre) software too. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026163719.4645fc3189a0bc185df6c...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question[solved]
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:31:27 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > "Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines > longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output > (e.g., ls -l)." - http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ > > I suspect most MUAs wrap at 72 chars, but the policy allows 80 chars. If I write something to the list, I expect other people will read it. And if most MUAs linewrap on 72 chars - that's what I will do. I mean, what's the point writing to the list if nobody read your replies? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026162226.f5a021a9a9d727994aebe...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
Le 26.10.2013 12:43, Reco a écrit : On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:18:44 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: At the time I switched, there was a far better support for SVG in opera. 3 years ago. It was the only browser able to render html into svg, which is standard. Hmm. Probably you have a valid point here. While usecase of transforming html to svg is unclear to me, I can not find a way to do it in Firefox. Svg embedded in html worked OK in firefox back in 2006 and is still here. I can imagine various usage. At that time, I wanted to make a program to generate collection cards, like what magic the gathering (tm) uses. I thought that xml/xss was a good idea, because a very important part of the design is common for all cards, with simply some textures and symbols changing. So it could have been easy to build a card generator. And, in fact, I think than I was wrong on my statement, on both the feature which made me switching and the time. It could have been the svg embedded (and so lot older than 3 years... I really have problems to see years passing), because, I remember that even if opera had a better support for mixing html/svg, it was not completely working according to what w3c recommendations were saying. Honestly I do not remember. I simply remember that it was the reason for me to try opera, and that I sticked to it due to lot of details. I think it was firefox 3.5, since it is the last one I remember. Few times after, there were lot of efforts from mozilla to fix memory leaks and other problems like that, IIRC. I do not clearly remember. I do not know about what inability to render correctly you are speaking: I have seen that statement several times, but never noticed the problem myself. SunFire X-series ILOM web-interface, for example. Unusable in opera. IBM's HMC web-interface. Unusable in opera. Anything based on Oracle's ADF will get you one big 'you're not welcome here, boo' if you use opera. Sadly, some of us need to use browsers to do work, not to surf Internets. Indeed. I do not have access to those pages, but by curiosity, how do they pass the w3c validator? I know that not so many stuff pass it without errors/warnings, but I am curious. Could it be a site's bug? ( no trolling here, real question ) And I do not think it is because webdev try opera, those who does are probably minority, since opera is not a mainstream browser, at least for desktop. Ok, but. This implies that opera's implementation of HTML standard is flawed somehow, as webpages require additional testing. According to what I have read, they usually test their work for IE, firefox and chrome. For old IE, it is well known fact that standard is not respected. But FF and chrome do claim respecting it well, so why testing in both? I think ( only supposition here, web dev is not my field at all ) it's because HTML standard is a little like C++ standard: it does not say how things have to be implemented, only a "general description", if you see what I mean. So it is needed to test on more than one implementation, because behaviors and performances are not same everywhere. Also, you can disable JS/plugins/cookies and other stuff on a per-site basis, unlike Firefox. I mean, without plug-ins, of course. This is very useful nowadays, with all those sites using JS for everything and nothing. True for JS, false for cookies. Right-clicking on the page in firefox and choosing 'View Page Info' will lead one to a fancy per-site control for cookies and other stuff. Works out of the box. Reco I think plugins too can be, am I wrong? The point was that I feel like I have more control on how behaves my browser with opera than with firefox. But, to be honest, that JS option is not very nice to use in opera, since you have to: right clic on site, edit website's preferences, select script tab, check or uncheck the first checkbox "enable JS", validate, and finally reload. That could be better, like with a simple checkbox in bottom bar, but nowadays browser are focusing on minimal interfaces... and opera probably have one of the most "heavy" interfaces by default. Actually a plug-in could probably give me a better interface even for opera, but the option is natively here. I say this only to show that even if I use opera, I am not a fanboy, it have problems, indeed, but it have strong points for it, too. Some features have since be copied by others ( I do not say it's bad, ideas should not be patented, only their real implementations and only when they are not trivial. Complex topic that I do not master. ) like opera link, which allows to sync compatible browsers. I did not mentioned this one because now, firefox have it (and allows user to chose it's server, which is better). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3a832e52ec765e55a
Re: another dependency question[solved]
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 15:24 +0400, Reco wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:19:43 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 15:08 +0400, Reco wrote: > > > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/: > > > $LD_LIBRARY_PATH # Should be one line > > > > The mailing list policy allows to make code one line, even if it should > > be to much chars :). > > > > export > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > > > Alternatively > > > > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=\ > > /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/\ > > :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > > > :) > > I use 132x36 terminals usually. This 'use 72 chars linewrap in your > mails please' stuff on this list is simply killing me at times like > this. Thanks for the idea btw. "Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l)." - http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ I suspect most MUAs wrap at 72 chars, but the policy allows 80 chars. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382787087.656.153.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question[solved]
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:19:43 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 15:08 +0400, Reco wrote: > > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/: > > $LD_LIBRARY_PATH # Should be one line > > The mailing list policy allows to make code one line, even if it should > be to much chars :). > > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > Alternatively > > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=\ > /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/\ > :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > :) I use 132x36 terminals usually. This 'use 72 chars linewrap in your mails please' stuff on this list is simply killing me at times like this. Thanks for the idea btw. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152405.ae3fcb47c8bd3325c2047...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:16:47 +0300 Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 10/26/2013 01:01 PM, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:41:57 +0200 > > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > >> No free alternative can allow me to use things > >> the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just > >> useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D > >> acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. > > > > Why do you consider, say, ath9k drivers non-free? > > What are those wonderful features that opera has, and firefox doesn't > > (inability to render pages correctly, which is the case of opera > > doesn't count)? > > WebP and some other features > > http://beta.html5test.com/compare/browser/firefox-24/opera-17.html > > By the way FireFox supports H.264, AAC and MP3 on Windows, but it > doesn't on Linux. Assuming to disable gstreamer support in Firefox - yes. If you enable it (24 seems to be fresh enough to allow it) - no. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152122.a569147d496968c108a71...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question[solved]
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 15:08 +0400, Reco wrote: > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/: > $LD_LIBRARY_PATH # Should be one line The mailing list policy allows to make code one line, even if it should be to much chars :). export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH Alternatively export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=\ /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/\ :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382786383.656.151.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
On 10/26/2013 01:01 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:41:57 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: No free alternative can allow me to use things the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. Why do you consider, say, ath9k drivers non-free? What are those wonderful features that opera has, and firefox doesn't (inability to render pages correctly, which is the case of opera doesn't count)? WebP and some other features http://beta.html5test.com/compare/browser/firefox-24/opera-17.html By the way FireFox supports H.264, AAC and MP3 on Windows, but it doesn't on Linux. Reco Best regards Georgi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/526ba49f.5040...@oles.biz
Re: another dependency question[solved]
Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:25:43 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > I wonder if you can "edit" the executable to change the path, with > tools like ldconfig. Never used them, but maybe someone here will know. Have you tried to do it like this? export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/: $LD_LIBRARY_PATH # Should be one line acroread What does show: ldd $(which acroread) Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026150823.1ec15658105d1527d4a39...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question[solved]
On Sat 26 Oct 2013 at 11:25:43 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 26.10.2013 10:35, François Patte a écrit : > > > >And here is the solution (for those who could need some pdf features > >which are not supported by evince, xpdf..., but which can be produced > >using free soft like TeX): > > > >The libGL.so.1 is located in > >/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/ and > >acroread search libraries in /lib/i386-linux-gnu. > > > >So, I put a symlink in /lib/i386-linux-gnu > > > >Regards > > Good to know, I'll remember that kind of issues. > > I wonder if you can "edit" the executable to change the path, with > tools like ldconfig. Never used them, but maybe someone here will > know. Acroread is looking in the right place for the library but the packaging system has diverted it. It would be more satisfactory to determine why it has done that and work within the system to produce a solution which does not involve a symlink. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026105946.gd30...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:18:44 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > At the time I switched, there was a far better support for SVG in > opera. 3 years ago. It was the only browser able to render html into > svg, which is standard. Hmm. Probably you have a valid point here. While usecase of transforming html to svg is unclear to me, I can not find a way to do it in Firefox. Svg embedded in html worked OK in firefox back in 2006 and is still here. > I do not know about what inability to render > correctly you are speaking: I have seen that statement several times, > but never noticed the problem myself. SunFire X-series ILOM web-interface, for example. Unusable in opera. IBM's HMC web-interface. Unusable in opera. Anything based on Oracle's ADF will get you one big 'you're not welcome here, boo' if you use opera. Sadly, some of us need to use browsers to do work, not to surf Internets. > And I do not think it is because > webdev try opera, those who does are probably minority, since opera is > not a mainstream browser, at least for desktop. Ok, but. This implies that opera's implementation of HTML standard is flawed somehow, as webpages require additional testing. > Also, you can disable JS/plugins/cookies and other stuff on a per-site > basis, unlike Firefox. I mean, without plug-ins, of course. This is very > useful nowadays, with all those sites using JS for everything and > nothing. True for JS, false for cookies. Right-clicking on the page in firefox and choosing 'View Page Info' will lead one to a fancy per-site control for cookies and other stuff. Works out of the box. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026144355.b10fcfe712fc481726b3b...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 12:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 12:00 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > About the fact that adobe should maintain their products... I can only > > agree. > > That's the whole point. Other distros and Debian give you and me the > libre to use proprietary, restricted software. We sometimes need it and > we are free to use it, but the distro maintainers can't do the support > for proprietary software. Before I go off-line, I like to make it absolutely clear. If Debian would announce, that they will do official support for Adobe products, they likely would be sued by Adobe. The OP misrepresents the facts. The "ayatollahs" (I only quote) are Adobe folks, not those who ask him if an alternate PDF reader would be ok too. We don't do it because we are "ayatollahs" who don't want others to use what ever they want, we do it, because Adobe doesn't maintain their products and when using those products this issue will happen again and again. The libre does include to use proprietary software, but the community only can support what is libre by nature, we are not guilty, when Adobe does miss to do their homework, but exactly this is the OP's claim: If Adobe doesn't maintain their products and don't do the support, then those who have nothing to do with Adobe are guilty. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382783157.656.141.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
Le 26.10.2013 12:01, Reco a écrit : Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:41:57 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: No free alternative can allow me to use things the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. Why do you consider, say, ath9k drivers non-free? What are those wonderful features that opera has, and firefox doesn't (inability to render pages correctly, which is the case of opera doesn't count)? Reco At the time I switched, there was a far better support for SVG in opera. 3 years ago. It was the only browser able to render html into svg, which is standard. I do not know about what inability to render correctly you are speaking: I have seen that statement several times, but never noticed the problem myself. And I do not think it is because webdev try opera, those who does are probably minority, since opera is not a mainstream browser, at least for desktop. Also, you can disable JS/plugins/cookies and other stuff on a per-site basis, unlike Firefox. I mean, without plug-ins, of course. This is very useful nowadays, with all those sites using JS for everything and nothing. Then, mouse gesture. I use them a lot, for web browsing. Better about:config interface (in fact, better configuration interface overall, but for other options it's a matter of taste. For about:config, it simply can not be discussed). And various minor details here and there. I retried firefox several times, I never kept it. I do not mean that firefox is not usable as it is, simply that my choice go for opera because it have all features I need out of the box. For wifi drivers, you are right, I forgot that there are some which are free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/530e83d1b704fd196b4e225755e1e...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 12:00 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > About the fact that adobe should maintain their products... I can only > agree. That's the whole point. Other distros and Debian give you and me the libre to use proprietary, restricted software. We sometimes need it and we are free to use it, but the distro maintainers can't do the support for proprietary software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382782037.656.130.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:41:57 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > No free alternative can allow me to use things > the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just > useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D > acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. Why do you consider, say, ath9k drivers non-free? What are those wonderful features that opera has, and firefox doesn't (inability to render pages correctly, which is the case of opera doesn't count)? Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026140126.f6e568a7073780adf64a5...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
Le 26.10.2013 11:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:41 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 26.10.2013 11:30, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of > peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little > bit > of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Note that, in practice, the non-libre software flash plugin, opera, nvidia's drivers and lot of wifi firmwares works well in Debian. I'm sorry, but, my systems have a little bit of non-free softwares, and works better with them. No free alternative can allow me to use things the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. Even on "totally free systems", your BIOS's code is not free. I like idealism, but thinking that you can really be completely free is a dream. And if you want something completely free, go try distributions approved by FSF. Debian is not, because it eases access to non-free softwares. In my mind, Debian makes you more free, because it makes you free to have non free softwares. But, anyway, I do not think that this debate is useful. No one will convince others I bet. You missed the point. I don't claim that there is the need to live in a perfect world, but the OP should ask Adobe, why they don't maintain their software. And it's the task of Adobe support to help François, but we helped him and then were called ayatollahs. I think he simply overreacted to your words when you said that we can not help, since it is not really true: we can try, and sometimes succeed. About the fact that adobe should maintain their products... I can only agree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/edd70467c5192d88d0411761fc89d...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:41 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Le 26.10.2013 11:30, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of > > peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little > > bit > > of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. > > > Note that, in practice, the non-libre software flash plugin, opera, > nvidia's drivers and lot of wifi firmwares works well in Debian. I'm > sorry, but, my systems have a little bit of non-free softwares, and > works better with them. No free alternative can allow me to use things > the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just > useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D > acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. > > Even on "totally free systems", your BIOS's code is not free. I like > idealism, but thinking that you can really be completely free is a > dream. And if you want something completely free, go try distributions > approved by FSF. Debian is not, because it eases access to non-free > softwares. In my mind, Debian makes you more free, because it makes you > free to have non free softwares. > > But, anyway, I do not think that this debate is useful. No one will > convince others I bet. You missed the point. I don't claim that there is the need to live in a perfect world, but the OP should ask Adobe, why they don't maintain their software. And it's the task of Adobe support to help François, but we helped him and then were called ayatollahs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382780847.656.127.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi François, > > > > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 10:20 +0200, François Patte wrote: > > > But there are two kinds of people using free softwares, some are not > > > living on the moon and have to deal with the world as it is and try > > > their best to be as "free" as they can, others seem to belong to the > > > world of ayatollahs > > > > IIUC the people who are interested in libre, e.g. me, are the ayatollahs > > and those who are not living on the moon and are interested in > > restricted, non-libre are what? Smart? Saviour? Freethinkers? > > > > The companies that try to get monopolies, keep back knowledge, restrict > > libre etc. are what? Philanthropist? Saviour? > > > > Did you have an apoplexy while writing this statement? > > > > There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of > > peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little bit > > of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. > > > > Note, you try to use incomplete software libre and you call those who > > provide "complete software libre" (a tautology, libre only can be > > complete) ayatollahs. > > > > Again, did you have an apoplexy while writing your statement? > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > PS: We help you even to use restricted software and you call us names. > Why don't you ask the people who cause the issue to help you? Why do you > ask the ayatollahs for help? PPS: Even don't ask the multimedia crew for help, they are ayatollahs too. Next time please ask Adobe support to help you, they are responsible for your problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382780560.656.124.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
Le 26.10.2013 11:30, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little bit of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Note that, in practice, the non-libre software flash plugin, opera, nvidia's drivers and lot of wifi firmwares works well in Debian. I'm sorry, but, my systems have a little bit of non-free softwares, and works better with them. No free alternative can allow me to use things the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give me full 3D acceleration, and there are simply no free wifi drivers. Even on "totally free systems", your BIOS's code is not free. I like idealism, but thinking that you can really be completely free is a dream. And if you want something completely free, go try distributions approved by FSF. Debian is not, because it eases access to non-free softwares. In my mind, Debian makes you more free, because it makes you free to have non free softwares. But, anyway, I do not think that this debate is useful. No one will convince others I bet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a943b5b6e40cd2d5bc29ea724558a...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi François, > > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 10:20 +0200, François Patte wrote: > > But there are two kinds of people using free softwares, some are not > > living on the moon and have to deal with the world as it is and try > > their best to be as "free" as they can, others seem to belong to the > > world of ayatollahs > > IIUC the people who are interested in libre, e.g. me, are the ayatollahs > and those who are not living on the moon and are interested in > restricted, non-libre are what? Smart? Saviour? Freethinkers? > > The companies that try to get monopolies, keep back knowledge, restrict > libre etc. are what? Philanthropist? Saviour? > > Did you have an apoplexy while writing this statement? > > There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of > peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little bit > of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. > > Note, you try to use incomplete software libre and you call those who > provide "complete software libre" (a tautology, libre only can be > complete) ayatollahs. > > Again, did you have an apoplexy while writing your statement? > > Regards, > Ralf PS: We help you even to use restricted software and you call us names. Why don't you ask the people who cause the issue to help you? Why do you ask the ayatollahs for help? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382780335.656.122.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
Hi François, On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 10:20 +0200, François Patte wrote: > But there are two kinds of people using free softwares, some are not > living on the moon and have to deal with the world as it is and try > their best to be as "free" as they can, others seem to belong to the > world of ayatollahs IIUC the people who are interested in libre, e.g. me, are the ayatollahs and those who are not living on the moon and are interested in restricted, non-libre are what? Smart? Saviour? Freethinkers? The companies that try to get monopolies, keep back knowledge, restrict libre etc. are what? Philanthropist? Saviour? Did you have an apoplexy while writing this statement? There's a German song called "Ein bisschen Frieden" (A little bit of peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little bit of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Note, you try to use incomplete software libre and you call those who provide "complete software libre" (a tautology, libre only can be complete) ayatollahs. Again, did you have an apoplexy while writing your statement? Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382779834.656.120.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question[solved]
Le 26.10.2013 10:35, François Patte a écrit : Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! And here is the solution (for those who could need some pdf features which are not supported by evince, xpdf..., but which can be produced using free soft like TeX): The libGL.so.1 is located in /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/ and acroread search libraries in /lib/i386-linux-gnu. So, I put a symlink in /lib/i386-linux-gnu Regards Good to know, I'll remember that kind of issues. I wonder if you can "edit" the executable to change the path, with tools like ldconfig. Never used them, but maybe someone here will know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c2587716f5f1a7cad8f6d0c40db3a...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question[solved]
Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No > > We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A > search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed > more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. > Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! > And here is the solution (for those who could need some pdf features which are not supported by evince, xpdf..., but which can be produced using free soft like TeX): The libGL.so.1 is located in /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu/ and acroread search libraries in /lib/i386-linux-gnu. So, I put a symlink in /lib/i386-linux-gnu Regards -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: another dependency question
Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No > > We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A > search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed > more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. > Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! OK. At least some compassionate people who have encountered the same problem here, could have given me some clue. I know that debian is totally free... But there are two kinds of people using free softwares, some are not living on the moon and have to deal with the world as it is and try their best to be as "free" as they can, others seem to belong to the world of ayatollahs Regards -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:24:23AM +0400, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > > > 2) Embedded movies > > > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > > on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. > > Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they should require an account at a > Adobe Cloud and one's first-born child :) That is a great idea! :) Afterall, it is overpopulation which is the main cause of our problems. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026060739.GN358@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026060201.GM358@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 00:24 +0400, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 Ralf wrote: > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > > on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. > > Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they should require an account at a > Adobe Cloud and one's first-born child :) I heard of this general Adobe business terms, but they are that pre-Christian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac#Binding . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382733846.656.61.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > > 2) Embedded movies > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they should require an account at a Adobe Cloud and one's first-born child :) I don't know how this 'feature' is implemented in Adobe Reader (it's been awhile since I used it), but in libpoppler's sources it is called POPPLER_ANNOT_MOVIE. Last time I've checked evince sources it had TODO status. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026002423.bd843aaaf80e48f0f377e...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > 2) Embedded movies I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382732096.656.50.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
Hi. On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:06:22 +0100 Brian wrote: > > Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all > > the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to test some pdf file created > > by TeX/LaTeX > > Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PDF > reader) is unable to display or use? Six things at least: 1) Javascript support in PDF forms. 2) Embedded movies (Yes, in PDF. Yes, Adobe is crazy). 3) All kinds of 3D embedded stuff. 4) That 'wonderful' PDF lexem that commands PDF reader to execute an arbitrary binary in user's OS (not a joke, this is a real part of PDF 1.4 specs). 5) Apparently, there are some problems with audio playback in libpoppler (yes, audio can be embedded in PDFs too). 6) Older libpoppler versions ignored DRM restrictions in PDF files (a feature for me, but upstream thinks differently). How exactly does one need to use LaTeX to produce such PDF is a mystery to me. But the more mystery is - why produce PDF with such capabilities. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131025235550.2efed207b7b2e745d4e9a...@gmail.com
Re: another dependency question
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 19:40 +0100, Brian wrote: > Java is another thing I am ignorant about. :) :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382727545.656.25.camel@archlinux
Re: another dependency question
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 20:25:14 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 20:06, Brian a écrit : > > > > Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PDF > > reader) is unable to display or use? > > java support, and some others Thank you. Java is another thing I am ignorant about. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/25102013193701.bcc74bef1...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: another dependency question
Le 25/10/2013 20:06, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 19:55:35 +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : >>> Hi François, >>> >>> I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and >>> they become more worse with every single day. >> >> Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all >> the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to test some pdf file created >> by TeX/LaTeX > > Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PDF > reader) is unable to display or use? > > java support, and some others -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: another dependency question
On 2013-10-25, François Patte wrote: > > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory You need the 32 bit libraries or (ia32-libs et compagnie) or you need to invoke the new-fangled multiarch magical incantation, depending on whether you're running squeeze or wheezy. I suppose. I have it running here in squeeze (64 bit amd) with the ia32-libs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl6ldn4.3kr.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: another dependency question
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 20:02:25 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 19:45, Brian a écrit : > > > > Search package directories is at > > > >http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > Thank you, that was my first idea, but how can I find which package > provide this library... With libGL.so.1 for "packages that contain files whose names contain the keyword" it comes up with a package list including ones for x86_64. > Moreover, it seems that acroread is a 32bit soft (and needs 32bits > libraries) and my install is amd64. > > I don't understand how apt-get solves the dependencies: it should > install all libraries needed by the soft you install or stop the install > is one mandatory dependency is missing. No? Pass on this. All my systems are 32-bit and (in spite of the many useful posts on -user) multiarch is a mystery to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/25102013191348.d25686dc6...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: another dependency question
François Patte: > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: > No such file or directory > > When I launch acroread... > > Where can I find this library? $ locate -i libgl.so.1 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 So, installing libgl1-mesa-glx should provide libGL.so.1. > And why apt-get did not solve all dependencies before installing > acroread? Perhaps something is missing in the package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131025200947.99ca45a0.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: another dependency question
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 19:55:35 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > Hi François, > > > > I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and > > they become more worse with every single day. > > Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all > the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to test some pdf file created > by TeX/LaTeX Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PDF reader) is unable to display or use? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/25102013190409.d733b0ff3...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: another dependency question
Le 25/10/2013 19:45, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 17:56:17 +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No >> errors during install everything is fine except: >> >> /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while >> loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No >> such file or directory >> >> When I launch acroread... >> >> Where can I find this library? And why apt-get did not solve all >> dependencies before installing acroread? > > Search package directories is at > >http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Thank you, that was my first idea, but how can I find which package provide this library... Moreover, it seems that acroread is a 32bit soft (and needs 32bits libraries) and my install is amd64. I don't understand how apt-get solves the dependencies: it should install all libraries needed by the soft you install or stop the install is one mandatory dependency is missing. No? Regards -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: another dependency question
Le 25.10.2013 17:56, François Patte a écrit : Where can I find this library? I was not able to find which package include that particular file with apt-file search (but I do not use it quite often so I guess I made a mistake on the command) however it is probably provided by mesa packages, since mesa is a free implementation of OpenGL. And why apt-get did not solve all dependencies before installing acroread? It is quite strange that acrobat reader needs opengl, and since that library is usually installed on all systems, acroread's maintainer could have forgotten to include it in dependencies. On a side note, you could possibly find another reader as good (or better) in the repo. Alternatives are usually faster and lighter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9c2cd9f1b0c86da12316201bbd6f9...@neutralite.org
Re: another dependency question
Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > Hi François, > > I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and > they become more worse with every single day. Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to test some pdf file created by TeX/LaTeX Regards. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: another dependency question
Hi François, I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and they become more worse with every single day. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/op.w5iuctm4qhadp0@suse11-2
Re: another dependency question
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 17:56:17 +0200, François Patte wrote: > I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No > errors during install everything is fine except: > > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory > > When I launch acroread... > > Where can I find this library? And why apt-get did not solve all > dependencies before installing acroread? Search package directories is at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/25102013184332.2b7cdf50c...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
