Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Staszek]

On 2015-11-16 13:41, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:41:33AM +0100, Staszek wrote:
>>
>> It seems to have been a problem with sound. The videos didn't play at
>> all, but once I configured pulseaudio for multiple users (enabling sound
>> for the Flash Player user):
>> http://billauer.co.il/blog/2014/01/pa-multiple-users/ it just works.
> 
> Interesting. I had a working setup, sound worked fine, I upgraded and
> found pulseaudio installed and sound had stopped working, when I purged
> pulseaudio ... it just worked.
> 
> my 0.2c
> 

purged?... How does it work, then?

My sound has just stopped working, I don't know why. Here's what I have:

# ps -AFH | grep -i pulse
stf   1014 1  0 93560 10208   0 10:01 ?00:00:02
/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start
stf   1098 1  0  1082   108   1 10:01 ?00:00:00
/bin/sh /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11
root  1420  1412  0  3852  2252   0 10:10 pts/200:00:00
  grep -i pulse

Neither stf nor other users have the sound.

Yesterday everything was fine.

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:41:33AM +0100, Staszek wrote:
> 
> It seems to have been a problem with sound. The videos didn't play at
> all, but once I configured pulseaudio for multiple users (enabling sound
> for the Flash Player user):
> http://billauer.co.il/blog/2014/01/pa-multiple-users/ it just works.

Interesting. I had a working setup, sound worked fine, I upgraded and
found pulseaudio installed and sound had stopped working, when I purged
pulseaudio ... it just worked.

my 0.2c

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Staszek]

On 2015-08-03 12:40, Staszek wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
> Iceweasel stopped working:
> 
> $ iceweasel
> 
> (process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
> 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
> 
> ###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
> send/recv
> 
> $
> 
> When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
> libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
> It doesn't work anymore, why?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
> libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
> http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having the
> latest version installed (11.2.202.491).

It seems to have been a problem with sound. The videos didn't play at
all, but once I configured pulseaudio for multiple users (enabling sound
for the Flash Player user):
http://billauer.co.il/blog/2014/01/pa-multiple-users/ it just works.

You can use pam_supair: https://github.com/sfindeisen/pam_supair PAM
module for a quick su (without a password).

BTW does anybody know how to configure pulseaudio for multiple users
using UNIX sockets (instead of TCP sockets)?

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> video on 4od.
>
>  
> https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.
>html
>
> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
>
> For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

I just did a new installation of Wheezy, installed just HAL, and installed 
flashplugin-nonfree.  4oD is working.  Whether usably remains to be seen, 
because it is running on a rather old and slow machine.

This week I am going to try this (install Wheezy, install HAL, install 
flashplugin-nonfree) on my TV machine, and will again report back.  Provided 
that I can find a no-rugby day.  I can't put the machine out of action on a 
rugby day.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Staszek]

On 2015-09-08 18:25, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 06 September 2015 22:16:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> On 09/06/2015 12:54 PM, Staszek wrote:
>>> On 2015-08-03 13:17, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
 Hi,

 Likely the upgrade broke your manual installation. You should install
 the flashplugin-nonfree package from non-free repo. Anyway be careful,
 you probably will need to enable manually when needed in Iceweasel, as
 it is disabled by default due to various security problems. Maybe they
 are now fixed but it was this before I remove it. To upgrade the plugin,
 issue: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install

 regards


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 - Staszek  a écrit :
> Hi
>
> I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
> Iceweasel stopped working:
>
> $ iceweasel
>
> (process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
> 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
>
> ###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
> send/recv
>
> $
>
> When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
> libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
> It doesn't work anymore, why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
> libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
> http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having
> the latest version installed (11.2.202.491).
>>>
>>> This is not just an upgrade problem, because on fresh Jessie simply
>>> copying libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins doesn't work either.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the
>> flash problem.
> 
> Immediately on reading this I installed flashplayer-mozilla on the computer I 
> was working on - my desktop - which is running Wheezy and TDE 3.5.13.2.  It 
> installed successfully and I have used it.

Ok so you installed non-free. What changes did it make to your system
or, more specifically, to your .mozilla directory?
Perhaps I could apply those changes manually and thus avoid granting
non-free the root access...

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Seeker]

On 9/13/2015 1:01 PM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

The packages in Debian are good tested with eachother. I don't think the
packages in deb-multimedia are tested that good. And Debian can change
things what gives problems with deb-multimedia.

I run unstable so expect issues are going to happen anyway.
Don't know what the policy is for packages that are targeted at stable 
or testing.


Normally I don't have big issues, when there are issues they are 
normally short lived.
For some of the packages there may be options enabled that are not in 
Debian due to

patent/license issues.

Just looking at it from the standpoint of unstable, there does seem to 
be a more
aggressive stance taken in regard to getting newer versions of some 
things into
deb-multimedia and in some cases enabling features that may be a little 
less developed
so from that standpoint I would expect some additional problems related 
to those

things.


 With all the transitions at the moment there are extra issues, I did 
use the package
menu in Synaptic to force libgegl and libx264 to the Debian versions so 
some other

packages could upgrade. Not completely certain it was necessary for libx264.

I've used deb-multimedia in the past, but I don't do it anymore. The
only package what I miss sometimes is libdvdcss2. But maybe there is
interesting software there what I don't know.
If you just want libdvdcss, the videolan developers provide a repository 
for that


https://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html



And yes, maybe flashplayer-mozilla is a little bit better then
flashplugin-nonfree. But I found a good workarround for updating. And
most of my customers don't use a flashplugin anymore. Only people who
want to look TV on the computer, or who want to play flash-games have
problems. For listening radio are good alternatives available.
Video-sites are working most of the time good with HTML5.
Flash seems to have problems on every platform, I use the installer in 
Debian, it

works for the stuff I care about, YMMV.

Later, Seeker

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 13 September 2015 05:46:15 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> I tried pepper-flash for chromium but it didn't work..neither did
> deb-multimedia.
> The only thing which worked was Google Chrome and it really works.

Not for everything.  None of them works for everything.  You just have to mix 
and match.

Lisi
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Liam O'Toole 
>
> wrote:
> > On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
> > > On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > >> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> > >> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> > >> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue
> > >> >> (on stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Package: *
> > >> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> > >> >> Pin-Priority: 100
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia,
> > >> the former is always preferred.
> > >
> > > Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".
> >
> > I don't follow. Could you please explain?
> >
> > >> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming
> >
> > from
> >
> > >> > deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> > >>
> > >> Not so. See above.
> > >>
> > >> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make
> >
> > good
> >
> > >> > packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
> > >> > deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems
> > >> > with flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore. And
> > >> > what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> > >>
> > >> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> > >> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> > >> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.
> > >
> > > Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
> > > one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?
> >
> > The point I was trying to make above neither is no more or less 'rock
> > solid' than the other.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 11:19:08 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 13 September 2015 05:46:15 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> > I tried pepper-flash for chromium but it didn't work..neither did
> > deb-multimedia.
> > The only thing which worked was Google Chrome and it really works.
> 
> Not for everything.  None of them works for everything.  You just have to mix 
> and match.

For your situation with 4od you wouldn't want pepper flash.

  https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=245999

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 01:04:27 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:

> On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
> > On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> >> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> >> >> 
> >> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
> >> >> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> >> >> 
> >> >> Package: *
> >> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> >> >> Pin-Priority: 100
> >> >
> >> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> >> 
> >> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
> >> former is always preferred.
> >
> > Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".
> 
> I don't follow. Could you please explain?

I was pointing out the apparent contradiction in advising the Debian
archives over the deb-multimedia ones and not taking it yourself. It
was not really that important to mention. :)

> >
> >> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
> >> > deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> >> 
> >> Not so. See above.
> >> 
> >> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
> >> > packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
> >> > deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
> >> > flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
> >> > And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> >> 
> >> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> >> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> >> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.
> >
> > Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
> > one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?
> 
> The point I was trying to make above neither is no more or less 'rock
> solid' than the other.

It still disturbs me a little that Lisi's machine doesn't play 4od with
HAL and flashplugin-nonfree. At

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00444.html

there is

   All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's 
computer.  
   He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.

   I, on the other hand, have three:
   /home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
   /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

The second line is ok but the third line should show

  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so

as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so.

I think libflashplayer.so in $HOME takes precedence over the alternatives
system. 'ls -l' might indicate which package provides it.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 13 September 2015 16:40:00 Brian wrote:
> On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 01:04:27 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
> > > On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > >> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> > >> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> > >> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue
> > >> >> (on stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Package: *
> > >> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> > >> >> Pin-Priority: 100
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia,
> > >> the former is always preferred.
> > >
> > > Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".
> >
> > I don't follow. Could you please explain?
>
> I was pointing out the apparent contradiction in advising the Debian
> archives over the deb-multimedia ones and not taking it yourself. It
> was not really that important to mention. :)
>
> > >> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming
> > >> > from deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> > >>
> > >> Not so. See above.
> > >>
> > >> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make
> > >> > good packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo
> > >> > like deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have
> > >> > problems with flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid"
> > >> > anymore. And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> > >>
> > >> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> > >> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> > >> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.
> > >
> > > Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
> > > one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?
> >
> > The point I was trying to make above neither is no more or less 'rock
> > solid' than the other.
>
> It still disturbs me a little that Lisi's machine doesn't play 4od with
> HAL and flashplugin-nonfree. At

I need to try some time on a fresh install, Brian.  For now, I still can't 
watch 4oD on my TV with an attached Jessie computer, so that comes next.

But I have never not had HAL (Trinity before 14 requires it) so I have my 
doubts.

Lisi
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00444.html
>
> there is
>
>All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's
> computer. He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
>
>I, on the other hand, have three:
>/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
>/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
>
> The second line is ok but the third line should show
>
>   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
>
> as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so.
>
> I think libflashplayer.so in $HOME takes precedence over the alternatives
> system. 'ls -l' might indicate which package provides it.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Curt]

On 2015-09-13, Brian  wrote:
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00444.html
>
> there is
>
>All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's 
> computer.  
>He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
>
>I, on the other hand, have three:
>/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
>/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
>
> The second line is ok but the third line should show
>
>   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
>
> as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so.
>
> I think libflashplayer.so in $HOME takes precedence over the alternatives
> system. 'ls -l' might indicate which package provides it.
>

Whatever happened to 'about:plugins' in the address bar?  That tells you
what plugin is being used, as well as the version (we are we talking
about iceweasel, right?).

Personally, here at home, /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so is a
symlink to /home/curty/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so. This was done
because no taking precedence over /etc/alternatives was taking place. I
put the plugin there so I don't have to be root to update it after I
wget the newest version from Adobe. 

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 16:24:19 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-09-13, Brian  wrote:
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00444.html
> >
> > there is
> >
> >All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's 
> > computer.  
> >He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
> >
> >I, on the other hand, have three:
> >/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> >/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> >/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> >
> > The second line is ok but the third line should show
> >
> >   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
> >
> > as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so.
> >
> > I think libflashplayer.so in $HOME takes precedence over the alternatives
> > system. 'ls -l' might indicate which package provides it.
> >
> 
> Whatever happened to 'about:plugins' in the address bar?  That tells you
> what plugin is being used, as well as the version (we are we talking
> about iceweasel, right?).

Not a bad idea but it doesn't tell you where the file in ~/.mozilla/plugins
came from.

> Personally, here at home, /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so is a
> symlink to /home/curty/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so. This was done
> because no taking precedence over /etc/alternatives was taking place. I
> put the plugin there so I don't have to be root to update it after I
> wget the newest version from Adobe.

You look to be right about the precedence; 'about:plugins' shows the one
in ~/.mozilla/plugins as second in the Path:. The symlink doesn't appear
to be needed when /.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so is the only file
on the system.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 12-09-15 om 21:51 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>> Op 10-09-15 om 11:33 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>>> On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.

 A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.
>>>
>>> I would call it a kludge, at best. Using wget and dpkg is to invite what
>>> used to be called 'RPM hell'. 
>>
>> Use "apt-get -f install" after installing a package with dependencies.
>> This will get packages from Debian. If it does need another package from
>> e.g. deb-multimedia, you have to use wget and dpkg again, and then you
>> know you have to monitor another package.
> 
> Like I said: a kludge.

Your opinion, I even don't know what a kludge is.

This is not an "invention" of me, many sysadmins are using this. See:
https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs#deb-multimedia.org

>>> It also runs the risk of missing security updates to packages.
>>
>> Realise that when you put a repo in your sources list, you normally give
>> control to that repo to install everything they want on your computer.
> 
> Not when you pin the repository appropriately, as I have indicated
> elsewhere.

See my response there.

>> And to make a complete mess out of your computer. Is that good security?
> 
> I would say yes in this case. The maintainer of deb-multimedia is a
> well-established Debian developer.

That's right. But in Debian we have FTP-masters and many people who are
looking when a package is in sid and in testing. Mass-rebuilds and
automated checks. The maintainer of deb-multimedia does that all by it's
own. He will make a mistake, that's murphy's law.

>> I want to know exactly what packages are not coming from Debian.
> 
> That's easy to determine.

You have to do check that regulary when you care.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 12-09-15 om 22:21 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>> Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>>> On 2015-09-09, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
 Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:

> If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
> automatically. 

 When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.
>>>
>>> I saw that, thanks. I prefer to manage updates through APT. Each to his
>>> own.
>>
>> You prefer to get updates from a place, what gave many problems in the past.
>>
> Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.

 I think this is complex to do right.

 My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
 See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues

 When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
>>>
>>> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
>>> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
>>>
>>> Package: *
>>> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
>>> Pin-Priority: 100
>>
>> I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> 
> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
> former is always preferred.

And when an update of a package depends on a package what's newer then
what's available in Debian?

>> I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
>> deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> 
> Not so. See above.

Nice to hear. But they can do it if they want, or when they make a
mistake. I guess.

>> I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
>> packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
>> deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
>> flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
>> And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> 
> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.

The packages in Debian are good tested with eachother. I don't think the
packages in deb-multimedia are tested that good. And Debian can change
things what gives problems with deb-multimedia.

I've used deb-multimedia in the past, but I don't do it anymore. The
only package what I miss sometimes is libdvdcss2. But maybe there is
interesting software there what I don't know.

And yes, maybe flashplayer-mozilla is a little bit better then
flashplugin-nonfree. But I found a good workarround for updating. And
most of my customers don't use a flashplugin anymore. Only people who
want to look TV on the computer, or who want to play flash-games have
problems. For listening radio are good alternatives available.
Video-sites are working most of the time good with HTML5.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 17:08:28 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 13 September 2015 16:40:00 Brian wrote:
> >
> > It still disturbs me a little that Lisi's machine doesn't play 4od with
> > HAL and flashplugin-nonfree. At
> 
> I need to try some time on a fresh install, Brian.  For now, I still can't 
> watch 4oD on my TV with an attached Jessie computer, so that comes next.

You will still need HAL. I've indicated previously how I did it but
(because memeory fails me) it may not be the best route for you.

> But I have never not had HAL (Trinity before 14 requires it) so I have my 
> doubts.
> 
> Lisi
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00444.html
> >
> > there is
> >
> >All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's
> > computer. He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
> >
> >I, on the other hand, have three:
> >/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> >/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> >/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> >
> > The second line is ok but the third line should show
> >
> >   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
> >
> > as a symlink to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so.
> >
> > I think libflashplayer.so in $HOME takes precedence over the alternatives
> > system. 'ls -l' might indicate which package provides it.

Thanks to Curt for raising the question of which libflashplayer.so is
used by Iceweasel when more than one is on the system. The installation
of flashplayer-mozilla causes /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so to
point to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so. But, do you have
this file? If you do not, Iceweasel will fall back to using the file in
/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/. It strikes me that libflashplayer.so
should not be there.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 13 September 2015 21:46:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 12-09-15 om 21:51 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> > On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> >> Op 10-09-15 om 11:33 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> >>> On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>  On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
> 
>  A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.
> >>>
> >>> I would call it a kludge, at best. Using wget and dpkg is to invite
> >>> what used to be called 'RPM hell'.
> >>
> >> Use "apt-get -f install" after installing a package with dependencies.
> >> This will get packages from Debian. If it does need another package from
> >> e.g. deb-multimedia, you have to use wget and dpkg again, and then you
> >> know you have to monitor another package.
> >
> > Like I said: a kludge.
>
> Your opinion,

To which he is entitled.

> I even don't know what a kludge is. 

You could look it up.  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kludge

> This is not an "invention" of me, many sysadmins are using this. See:
> https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs#deb-multimedia.org

That is not relevant.  You do what you want to do.  Others form their own 
judgements and do what they want to do.  You would never attach a computer to 
a TV, some of us do.  None of my clients has deb-multimedia in his or her 
sources.list either.  So what.

> >>> It also runs the risk of missing security updates to packages.
> >>
> >> Realise that when you put a repo in your sources list, you normally give
> >> control to that repo to install everything they want on your computer.
> >
> > Not when you pin the repository appropriately, as I have indicated
> > elsewhere.
>
> See my response there.
>
> >> And to make a complete mess out of your computer. Is that good security?
> >
> > I would say yes in this case. The maintainer of deb-multimedia is a
> > well-established Debian developer.
>
> That's right. But in Debian we have FTP-masters and many people who are
> looking when a package is in sid and in testing. Mass-rebuilds and
> automated checks. The maintainer of deb-multimedia does that all by it's
> own. He will make a mistake, that's murphy's law.#

The computer attached to my TV has already crashed and had to be reinstalled 
once, without the help of Marillat.  If it crashes beyond redemption again, 
I'll reinstall again.  It's no big deal.

> >> I want to know exactly what packages are not coming from Debian.
> >
> > That's easy to determine.
>
> You have to do check that regulary when you care.

Paul, we don't all have to live according to the gospel of Paul.  You think we 
are wrong.  We know that.  The fact that you think that is totally 
irrelevant.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-13, Brian  wrote:
> On Sun 13 Sep 2015 at 01:04:27 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
>> > On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>> >> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
>> >> >> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Package: *
>> >> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
>> >> >> Pin-Priority: 100
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
>> >> 
>> >> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
>> >> former is always preferred.
>> >
>> > Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".
>> 
>> I don't follow. Could you please explain?
>
> I was pointing out the apparent contradiction in advising the Debian
> archives over the deb-multimedia ones and not taking it yourself. It
> was not really that important to mention. :)

Ah, I see. I use deb-multimedia when a package is not available in
debian, or when the deb-multimedia package uses (what I consider to be)
a superior approach to the packaging of non-free software. Hence my
preference for flashplayer-mozilla over flashplugin-nonfree.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-13, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 12-09-15 om 22:21 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>>> Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
 On 2015-09-09, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>
>> If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
>> automatically. 
>
> When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.

 I saw that, thanks. I prefer to manage updates through APT. Each to his
 own.
>>>
>>> You prefer to get updates from a place, what gave many problems in the past.
>>>
>> Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.
>
> I think this is complex to do right.
>
> My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
> See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>
> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.

 I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
 stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:

 Package: *
 Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
 Pin-Priority: 100
>>>
>>> I don't know what this is doing, do you?
>> 
>> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
>> former is always preferred.
>
> And when an update of a package depends on a package what's newer then
> what's available in Debian?

In those circumstances the update is held back.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 10-09-15 om 11:33 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>> On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
>>>
>>> A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.
>> 
>> I would call it a kludge, at best. Using wget and dpkg is to invite what
>> used to be called 'RPM hell'. 
>
> Use "apt-get -f install" after installing a package with dependencies.
> This will get packages from Debian. If it does need another package from
> e.g. deb-multimedia, you have to use wget and dpkg again, and then you
> know you have to monitor another package.

Like I said: a kludge.

>
>> It also runs the risk of missing security updates to packages.
>
> Realise that when you put a repo in your sources list, you normally give
> control to that repo to install everything they want on your computer.

Not when you pin the repository appropriately, as I have indicated
elsewhere.

> And to make a complete mess out of your computer. Is that good security?

I would say yes in this case. The maintainer of deb-multimedia is a
well-established Debian developer.

>
> I want to know exactly what packages are not coming from Debian.

That's easy to determine.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 12 September 2015 14:38:01 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> ya!
> I got a working solution! :) Install Google Chrome.
> Chromium doesn't support flash and many other stuff, while Google Chrome is
> not available directly in debian repository.
> Download Google Chrome from https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
> and then run the following commads

Yes, it is great solution to the general problem.  (If you are not a purist.)  
Unfortunately it didn't solve my specific one.

Lisi

> sudo apt-get install gconf-service libgconf-2-4 libnspr4 libnss3
> libpango1.0-0 libappindicator1 libcurl3
> sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
>
> *solution from http://okomestudio.net/biboroku/?p=2583
>
> There might be some ethical issues from the FSF and DFSG rules but at
> present one might need to get his/her task done.
> Happy Browsing!
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Paul van der Vlis 
>
> wrote:
> > Op 12-09-15 om 01:17 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > > I have it working.  Why would I touch it at all?
> >
> > Bad way of thinking. I think you will have problems again. Your
> > flashplugin does not become updates now, I guess. Iceweasel will refuse
> > to use it after some time.
> >
> > Debian packages are system-wide solutions, not only for a specific user.
> > You are using now a solution in your homedirectory.
> >
> > It will work when you update it, or let some script or program update
> > it. Maybe it can update itself, in your homedir it has write-permission.
> >
> > It overrules system-wide solutions like flashplugin-nonfree or the
> > package from deb-multimedia.
> >
> > With regards,
> > Paul van der Vlis.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
> > https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>> On 2015-09-09, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>>> Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>>>
 If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
 automatically. 
>>>
>>> When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.
>> 
>> I saw that, thanks. I prefer to manage updates through APT. Each to his
>> own.
>
> You prefer to get updates from a place, what gave many problems in the past.
>
 Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.
>>>
>>> I think this is complex to do right.
>>>
>>> My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
>>> See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>>>
>>> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
>> 
>> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
>> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
>> 
>> Package: *
>> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
>> Pin-Priority: 100
>
> I don't know what this is doing, do you?

Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
former is always preferred.

>
> I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
> deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.

Not so. See above.

> I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
> packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
> deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
> flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
> And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?

The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 12 September 2015 11:43:05 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 12-09-15 om 01:17 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > I have it working.  Why would I touch it at all?
>
> Bad way of thinking. I think you will have problems again. Your
> flashplugin does not become updates now, I guess. Iceweasel will refuse
> to use it after some time.
>
> Debian packages are system-wide solutions, not only for a specific user.
> You are using now a solution in your homedirectory.
>
> It will work when you update it, or let some script or program update
> it. Maybe it can update itself, in your homedir it has write-permission.
>
> It overrules system-wide solutions like flashplugin-nonfree or the
> package from deb-multimedia.

This makes no sense.  It is of no moment to me that you do not approve.  We 
have already established that.  I am a pragmatist, you a purist.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Siard]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 18:28 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 12 September 2015 14:38 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> > ya!
> > I got a working solution! :) Install Google Chrome.
> > Chromium doesn't support flash and many other stuff, while Google
> > Chrome is not available directly in debian repository.
> > Download Google Chrome from
> > https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ and then run the
> > following commads
> 
> Yes, it is great solution to the general problem.  (If you are not a
> purist.) Unfortunately it didn't solve my specific one.

Note that you could install pepperflashplugin-nonfree from the Debian
repositories. From the description:

"This package will download Chrome from Google, and unpack it to make
the included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium."

I, too, have found that it is a great solution to the general problem,
but unfortunately it doesn't solve this specific one either.

But mind you, I tried it with Chrome in Windows7 with VirtualBox, but,
interestingly, I encountered exactly the same problem.
I'm beginning to wonder whether there could be something faulty at
Channel4's side.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:

> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> >> 
> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
> >> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> >> 
> >> Package: *
> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> >> Pin-Priority: 100
> >
> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> 
> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
> former is always preferred.

Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".

> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
> > deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> 
> Not so. See above.
> 
> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
> > packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
> > deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
> > flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
> > And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> 
> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.

Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
> On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>> >> 
>> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
>> >> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
>> >> 
>> >> Package: *
>> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
>> >> Pin-Priority: 100
>> >
>> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
>> 
>> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
>> former is always preferred.
>
> Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".

I don't follow. Could you please explain?

>
>> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
>> > deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
>> 
>> Not so. See above.
>> 
>> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
>> > packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
>> > deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
>> > flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
>> > And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
>> 
>> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
>> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
>> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.
>
> Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
> one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?

The point I was trying to make above neither is no more or less 'rock
solid' than the other.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Himanshu Shekhar]

I tried pepper-flash for chromium but it didn't work..neither did
deb-multimedia.
The only thing which worked was Google Chrome and it really works.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Liam O'Toole 
wrote:

> On 2015-09-12, Brian  wrote:
> > On Sat 12 Sep 2015 at 20:21:40 +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-09-11, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> >> > Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> >> >>
> >> >> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
> >> >> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> >> >>
> >> >> Package: *
> >> >> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> >> >> Pin-Priority: 100
> >> >
> >> > I don't know what this is doing, do you?
> >>
> >> Yes. When a package is available in both debian and deb-multimedia, the
> >> former is always preferred.
> >
> > Except when you use "Flash from deb-multimedia for years".
>
> I don't follow. Could you please explain?
>
> >
> >> > I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming
> from
> >> > deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.
> >>
> >> Not so. See above.
> >>
> >> > I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make
> good
> >> > packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
> >> > deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
> >> > flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
> >> > And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?
> >>
> >> The system is no longer 'rock solid' as soon as you install any
> >> third-party software, be it via flashplayer-mozilla or
> >> flashplugin-nonfree or anything else.
> >
> > Both packages use the same source from Adobe. Why specifically should
> > one be less solid than the other when it comes to watching flash video?
>
> The point I was trying to make above neither is no more or less 'rock
> solid' than the other.
>
> --
>
> Liam
>
>
>


-- 
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 01:38:55 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:51 +0100
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >On Thursday 10 September 2015 22:57:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> >I have:
> >> Path:
> >> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
> >>lib flashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version:
> >> 11.2.202.350
> >
> >My husband has:
> >> Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> >> Version: 11.2.202.508
> >
> >So they are different versions.  "All" I have to find out is how to get my
> >husband the same version
> >
> >I'll look at that in the morning.
> >
> >But I feel that we are - I am - progressing!
> >
> >Lisi
>
> Why not just copy the file from his to yours. But first delete all
> those other ones, on your system. I put all my plugins in
> ~/.mozilla/plugins , and tell firefox where to find them in
> the ~/.bashrc file as
> MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/charlie/.mozilla/plugins"

Charlie,
I omitted to thank you.  How remiss.  Thank you for your help.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 12-09-15 om 01:17 schreef Lisi Reisz:

> I have it working.  Why would I touch it at all?

Bad way of thinking. I think you will have problems again. Your
flashplugin does not become updates now, I guess. Iceweasel will refuse
to use it after some time.

Debian packages are system-wide solutions, not only for a specific user.
You are using now a solution in your homedirectory.

It will work when you update it, or let some script or program update
it. Maybe it can update itself, in your homedir it has write-permission.

It overrules system-wide solutions like flashplugin-nonfree or the
package from deb-multimedia.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Himanshu Shekhar]

ya!
I got a working solution! :) Install Google Chrome.
Chromium doesn't support flash and many other stuff, while Google Chrome is
not available directly in debian repository.
Download Google Chrome from https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
and then run the following commads

sudo apt-get install gconf-service libgconf-2-4 libnspr4 libnss3
libpango1.0-0 libappindicator1 libcurl3
sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb

*solution from http://okomestudio.net/biboroku/?p=2583

There might be some ethical issues from the FSF and DFSG rules but at
present one might need to get his/her task done.
Happy Browsing!

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Paul van der Vlis 
wrote:

> Op 12-09-15 om 01:17 schreef Lisi Reisz:
>
> > I have it working.  Why would I touch it at all?
>
> Bad way of thinking. I think you will have problems again. Your
> flashplugin does not become updates now, I guess. Iceweasel will refuse
> to use it after some time.
>
> Debian packages are system-wide solutions, not only for a specific user.
> You are using now a solution in your homedirectory.
>
> It will work when you update it, or let some script or program update
> it. Maybe it can update itself, in your homedir it has write-permission.
>
> It overrules system-wide solutions like flashplugin-nonfree or the
> package from deb-multimedia.
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis.
>
>
>
> --
> Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
> https://www.vandervlis.nl/
>
>
>


-- 
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[The Wanderer]

On 2015-09-11 at 12:39, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On the two boxen I am running the same version of Iceweasel, on the
> same version of the same desktop, on the same version of the same OS,
> and it is very different, with different settings available.  I'll
> have try setting up a new user and see what transpires.

Before a new user, I'd recommend trying just a new Firefox profile:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles

You can use this to run multiple profiles for different purposes, and I
_think_ that when combined with -no-remote, you can also use it to run
multiple Firefox instances in parallel using different profiles. (I
can't swear to that at the moment, though.)

-- 
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Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Ralph Katz]

On 09/11/2015 12:51 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> Before a new user, I'd recommend trying just a new Firefox profile:
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
> 
> You can use this to run multiple profiles for different purposes, and I
> _think_ that when combined with -no-remote, you can also use it to run
> multiple Firefox instances in parallel using different profiles. (I
> can't swear to that at the moment, though.)

FWIW, on jessie, I have 2 distinct instances of iceweasel that can play
youtube videos concurrently (not that I'd want to do that).
pulseaudio settings are default.

> ~$ ps ax |grep iceweasel
>  5304 ?Sl   250:05 iceweasel -new-instance -P default
> 25779 pts/4Sl 0:19 iceweasel -new-instance -P fb
> 25867 pts/4Rl 0:51 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin-container 
> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so -greomni 
> /usr/lib/iceweasel/omni.ja -appomni /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser/omni.ja 
> -appdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser 25779 plugin
> 25939 ?Sl 0:02 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin-container 
> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so -greomni 
> /usr/lib/iceweasel/omni.ja -appomni /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser/omni.ja 
> -appdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser 5304 plugin
> 25958 pts/4S+ 0:00 grep iceweasel

And yes, a fresh iceweasel profile will clear out any legacy settings
that could be getting in your way.

Good luck!
Ralph





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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 10-09-15 om 23:57 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Thursday 10 September 2015 13:37:03 Brian wrote:
>>> Nonetheless, flashplayer-mozilla works on my desktop and
>>> flashplugin-nonfree doesn't.  FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANNEL.
>>
>> Intriguing. Are the HAL packages installed?
> 
> All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's 
> computer.  
> He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
> 
> I, on the other hand, have three:
> /home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> 
> Plus two actually on my computer in some old files belonging to a client.

The correct place is:
/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
It's important to remove the other ones.

> Reported in iceweasel thus:
>
>  File: libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so
>   
> Path: 
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> Version: 11.2.202.350
> State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> 
> And then a table.
> 
> My husband has:
> 
> File: libflashplayer.so
> Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> Version: 11.2.202.508
> State: Enabled
> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> 

Your husband has the correct version for Iceweasel. You are using an old
version.

But it's better to use Chromium, it has version 18.0.0.209.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 10-09-15 om 00:41 schreef Lisi Reisz:

> Since you haven't tried to get Channel 4 at all, it hasn't been your job for 
> even five minutes.

Why don't you give an URL. How should I know which Channel 4? It's even
unclear in which country you live. Normally you cannot watch TV in
another country using the internet.



>> For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
>> What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
>> flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
>> is no flash available.
> 
> That is completely irrelevant to my presented problem.

No. When a site works with HTML5, then you don't need flash.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-09-15 om 23:43 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> On 2015-09-09, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
>> Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>>
>>> If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
>>> automatically. 
>>
>> When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.
> 
> I saw that, thanks. I prefer to manage updates through APT. Each to his
> own.

You prefer to get updates from a place, what gave many problems in the past.

>>> Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.
>>
>> I think this is complex to do right.
>>
>> My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
>> See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>>
>> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
> 
> I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
> stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
> Pin-Priority: 100

I don't know what this is doing, do you?

I think you will have many packages on your system what are coming from
deb-multimedia. Maybe that's what you want, no idea.

I think the people from deb-multimedia are doing their best to make good
packages. But I think Debian is too complex to mix with a repo like
deb-multimedia with many packages. Maybe you don't have problems with
flash, but I think your system is not "rock solid" anymore.
And what does deb-multimedia bring you for that?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 12 September 2015 00:08:14 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 12-09-15 om 00:15 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > On Friday 11 September 2015 21:46:02 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> >> Op 10-09-15 om 00:41 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> >>> Since you haven't tried to get Channel 4 at all, it hasn't been your
> >>> job for even five minutes.
> >>
> >> Why don't you give an URL.
> >
> > http://www.channel4.com/programmes/catchup
>
> It does not work with Chromium and Iceweasel and the latest flash-plugin
> from here. I see the first frame of the video, but it does not stream.
> No errors.

That is what I have been saying all along, that you have kept contradicting.
>
> >From the FAQ:
>
> --
> Q: Can I watch programmes Ive downloaded outside the UK?
> A: The main benefit of the All 4 download service is that once you have
> downloaded the programme, you can watch it offline or overseas.
> --
>
> I think this means you cannot watch channel4 from outside the UK.

Probably not.  That is why I had not given the URL.
>
> I've also tested it without flash, then you get a "flash upgrade
> requiered" error.
>
> Maybe you should try an older version of flash, if you want to see this
> site. I've seen in the past that is sometimes a solution.

I have it working.  Why would I touch it at all?

> Simply replace the libflashplugin.so you are using with an older one.
> But then you know your security is not OK.
>
> >> How should I know which Channel 4? It's even
> >> unclear in which country you live. Normally you cannot watch TV in
> >> another country using the internet.
> >>
> >> 
> >>
>  For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
>  What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
>  flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On
>  tablets is no flash available.
> >>>
> >>> That is completely irrelevant to my presented problem.
> >>
> >> No. When a site works with HTML5, then you don't need flash.
> >
> > Channel 4 doesn't work with HTML5.  And I don't want it for a work
> > computer. It is therefore completely irrelevant to my presented problem.
>
> You did not give the information "Channel 4 doesn't work with HTML5"
> before.

I did.

> Without this information it was relevant. I don't like the way 
> you write.

We agree on something!  I don't like the way you write either.
>
> I think I go away from this discussion. I am interested in the question
> "deb-multimedia or not". Not really in "how to get channel4 working in
> the UK".

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 10-09-15 om 14:37 schreef Brian:
> On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 23:41:45 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:31:50 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>>
>>> flashplayer-mozilla will install the same flashplayer as
>>> flashplugin-nonfree. But there is a big difference between the
>>> flashplayer what't installed in Chromium. Chromium is better in flash.
>>
>> And won't play Channel 4.
> 
> Are we sure, as Paul says, it is the same flashplayer? The plugin from
> Adobe, which is what flashplugin-nonfree installs:
> 
>   brian@desktop:~$ ls -l libflashplayer.so 
>   -rw-rw-r-- 1 brian brian 17459332 Aug  7 19:50 libflashplayer.so
> 
> The plugin from flashplayer-mozilla:
> 
>   brian@desktop:~$ ls -l libflashplayer.so 
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 brian brian 17432460 Aug 11 18:14 libflashplayer.so
> 
> The md5sums are different too. Now, why is that and does it matter?
> The respective packages are based on the same source.
> 
>   http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/
> 
> identifies both plugins as the same version.

This is an interesting question. I have no idea, I have never studied
flashplayer-mozilla. Is there any documentation about it?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.



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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 22:01:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 10-09-15 om 23:57 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > On Thursday 10 September 2015 13:37:03 Brian wrote:
> >>> Nonetheless, flashplayer-mozilla works on my desktop and
> >>> flashplugin-nonfree doesn't.  FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANNEL.
> >>
> >> Intriguing. Are the HAL packages installed?
> >
> > All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's
> > computer. He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.
> >
> > I, on the other hand, have three:
> > /home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> > /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
> >
> > Plus two actually on my computer in some old files belonging to a client.
>
> The correct place is:
> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
> It's important to remove the other ones.
>
> > Reported in iceweasel thus:
> >  
> >  File: libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so
> >
> > Path:
> > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/l
> >ibflashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version:
> > 11.2.202.350
> > State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
> > Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> > 
> > And then a table.
> >
> > My husband has:
> > 
> > File: libflashplayer.so
> > Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> > Version: 11.2.202.508
> > State: Enabled
> > Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> > 
>
> Your husband has the correct version for Iceweasel. You are using an old
> version.
>
> But it's better to use Chromium, it has version 18.0.0.209.

Paul, I am trying to do something specific that you are completely ignoring.  
I am certainly not going to touch anything at all on the computer that is 
working.  And Chromium DOES NOR WORK WITH CHANNEL 4.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 18:58:20 Ralph Katz wrote:
> On 09/11/2015 12:51 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> > Before a new user, I'd recommend trying just a new Firefox profile:
> >
> > https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-fi
> >refox-profiles
> >
> > You can use this to run multiple profiles for different purposes, and I
> > _think_ that when combined with -no-remote, you can also use it to run
> > multiple Firefox instances in parallel using different profiles. (I
> > can't swear to that at the moment, though.)
>
> FWIW, on jessie, I have 2 distinct instances of iceweasel that can play
> youtube videos concurrently (not that I'd want to do that).
> pulseaudio settings are default.
>
> > ~$ ps ax |grep iceweasel
> >  5304 ?Sl   250:05 iceweasel -new-instance -P default
> > 25779 pts/4Sl 0:19 iceweasel -new-instance -P fb
> > 25867 pts/4Rl 0:51 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin-container
> > /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so -greomni
> > /usr/lib/iceweasel/omni.ja -appomni /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser/omni.ja
> > -appdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser 25779 plugin 25939 ?Sl
> > 0:02 /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin-container
> > /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so -greomni
> > /usr/lib/iceweasel/omni.ja -appomni /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser/omni.ja
> > -appdir /usr/lib/iceweasel/browser 5304 plugin 25958 pts/4S+ 0:00
> > grep iceweasel
>
> And yes, a fresh iceweasel profile will clear out any legacy settings
> that could be getting in your way.
>
> Good luck!
> Ralph

Thank you, Jimmy, Brian, The Wanderer and Ralph.  These last pointers were the 
final answer.  I have lift-off.  Ad-blocker was running on my husband's 
computer, even though it hadn't been on mine, I had just been unable to find 
it.  I still haven't been able to uninstall it, but I have successfully 
disabled it.

I now have it running without a problem.

So that is the two Wheezy computers successfully dealt with.  All I have to do 
now is deal with the Jessie computer that is attached to the TV.

Again, that you all very much.
Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 12-09-15 om 00:15 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Friday 11 September 2015 21:46:02 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Op 10-09-15 om 00:41 schreef Lisi Reisz:
>>> Since you haven't tried to get Channel 4 at all, it hasn't been your job
>>> for even five minutes.
>>
>> Why don't you give an URL.
> 
> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/catchup

It does not work with Chromium and Iceweasel and the latest flash-plugin
from here. I see the first frame of the video, but it does not stream.
No errors.

>From the FAQ:
--
Q: Can I watch programmes Ive downloaded outside the UK?
A: The main benefit of the All 4 download service is that once you have
downloaded the programme, you can watch it offline or overseas.
--

I think this means you cannot watch channel4 from outside the UK.

I've also tested it without flash, then you get a "flash upgrade
requiered" error.

Maybe you should try an older version of flash, if you want to see this
site. I've seen in the past that is sometimes a solution.
Simply replace the libflashplugin.so you are using with an older one.
But then you know your security is not OK.

>> How should I know which Channel 4? It's even 
>> unclear in which country you live. Normally you cannot watch TV in
>> another country using the internet.
>>
>> 
>>
 For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
 What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
 flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
 is no flash available.
>>>
>>> That is completely irrelevant to my presented problem.
>>
>> No. When a site works with HTML5, then you don't need flash.
> 
> Channel 4 doesn't work with HTML5.  And I don't want it for a work computer.  
> It is therefore completely irrelevant to my presented problem.

You did not give the information "Channel 4 doesn't work with HTML5"
before. Without this information it was relevant. I don't like the way
you write.

I think I go away from this discussion. I am interested in the question
"deb-multimedia or not". Not really in "how to get channel4 working in
the UK".

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 10-09-15 om 11:33 schreef Liam O'Toole:
> On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
>>
>> A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.
> 
> I would call it a kludge, at best. Using wget and dpkg is to invite what
> used to be called 'RPM hell'. 

Use "apt-get -f install" after installing a package with dependencies.
This will get packages from Debian. If it does need another package from
e.g. deb-multimedia, you have to use wget and dpkg again, and then you
know you have to monitor another package.

> It also runs the risk of missing security updates to packages.

Realise that when you put a repo in your sources list, you normally give
control to that repo to install everything they want on your computer.
And to make a complete mess out of your computer. Is that good security?

I want to know exactly what packages are not coming from Debian.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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ERRATUM Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 23:59:15 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Again, that you all very much.

Again, thaNK you all very much.
Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 21:46:02 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 10-09-15 om 00:41 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > Since you haven't tried to get Channel 4 at all, it hasn't been your job
> > for even five minutes.
>
> Why don't you give an URL.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/catchup

> How should I know which Channel 4? It's even 
> unclear in which country you live. Normally you cannot watch TV in
> another country using the internet.
>
> 
>
> >> For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
> >> What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
> >> flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
> >> is no flash available.
> >
> > That is completely irrelevant to my presented problem.
>
> No. When a site works with HTML5, then you don't need flash.

Channel 4 doesn't work with HTML5.  And I don't want it for a work computer.  
It is therefore completely irrelevant to my presented problem.

Lisi
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis.

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 13:10:50 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 11:36:25 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 11 September 2015 01:38:55 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:51 +0100
> > >
> > > Why not just copy the file from his to yours. But first delete all
> > > those other ones, on your system. I put all my plugins in
> > > ~/.mozilla/plugins , and tell firefox where to find them in
> > > the ~/.bashrc file as
> > > MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/charlie/.mozilla/plugins"
> >
> > I deleted the libflashplayer.so already on my husband's computer, and
> > copied the ones on my computer across, including creating directories
> > where necessary.  about:plugins in Iceweasel now displays exactly the
> > same on the two computers.  We have exactly the same version of
> > Iceweasel:
> > 40.0.3-3~bpo70+1.
> >
> > Channel 4 catchup programmes, which play on mine, will still not play on
> > his. It still says that an ad blocker is turned on, and I must turn it
> > off. :-(
> >
> > Something must be different, and I have just got to find out what. 
> > If/when I crack it, I shall obviously share it.
>
> You may or may not have seen this:
>
>  
> http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/i-am-being-warned-i-am-using-an-a
>d-blocker/id/503978858

Thanks, Brian.  I have already allowed tracking, history, cookies and 
pop-ups. :-( 

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 17:16:24 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> > On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 14:40:03 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 11 September 2015 13:10:50 Brian wrote:
> > > > You may or may not have seen this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/i-am-being-warned-i-am-usin
> > > >g-an-a d-blocker/id/503978858
> > >
> > > Thanks, Brian.  I have already allowed tracking, history, cookies and
> > > pop-ups. :-(

Ironically, on my computer, which is running Channel 4 fine, I have pop-ups 
blocked, tracking blocked, some history blocked, but I am allowing cookies.

> > Isn't it more about plugins or even some standalone program you have
> > running? A look at 'ps ax' is worth it. Running Iceweasel from a new,
> > different account might narrow it down.
>
> I do that as a matter of course for security reasons. It does lead
> to one wrinkle, though. Pulse audio won't let both users play sound
> at the same time so one or other (flash on the browser, me running
> xmms under my own account) stalls. I don't know if this could be
> relevant to Lisi.
>
> I've yet to investigate the snags in running pulse audio at a system
> level rather than as a user.

It isn't sound I am having problems with at this moment, David. ;-)

On the two boxen I am running the same version of Iceweasel, on the same 
version of the same desktop, on the same version of the same OS, and it is 
very different, with different settings available.  I'll have try setting up 
a new user and see what transpires.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 11 September 2015 01:38:55 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:51 +0100
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >On Thursday 10 September 2015 22:57:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >
> >I have:
> >> Path:
> >> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
> >>lib flashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version:
> >> 11.2.202.350
> >
> >My husband has:
> >> Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> >> Version: 11.2.202.508
> >
> >So they are different versions.  "All" I have to find out is how to get my
> >husband the same version
> >
> >I'll look at that in the morning.
> >
> >But I feel that we are - I am - progressing!
> >
> >Lisi
>
> Why not just copy the file from his to yours. But first delete all
> those other ones, on your system. I put all my plugins in
> ~/.mozilla/plugins , and tell firefox where to find them in
> the ~/.bashrc file as
> MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/charlie/.mozilla/plugins"

I deleted the libflashplayer.so already on my husband's computer, and copied 
the ones on my computer across, including creating directories where 
necessary.  about:plugins in Iceweasel now displays exactly the same on the 
two computers.  We have exactly the same version of Iceweasel: 
40.0.3-3~bpo70+1.  

Channel 4 catchup programmes, which play on mine, will still not play on his.  
It still says that an ad blocker is turned on, and I must turn it off. :-(

Something must be different, and I have just got to find out what.  If/when I 
crack it, I shall obviously share it.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Brian]

On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 11:36:25 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 11 September 2015 01:38:55 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:51 +0100
> >
> > Why not just copy the file from his to yours. But first delete all
> > those other ones, on your system. I put all my plugins in
> > ~/.mozilla/plugins , and tell firefox where to find them in
> > the ~/.bashrc file as
> > MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/charlie/.mozilla/plugins"
> 
> I deleted the libflashplayer.so already on my husband's computer, and copied 
> the ones on my computer across, including creating directories where 
> necessary.  about:plugins in Iceweasel now displays exactly the same on the 
> two computers.  We have exactly the same version of Iceweasel: 
> 40.0.3-3~bpo70+1.  
> 
> Channel 4 catchup programmes, which play on mine, will still not play on his. 
>  
> It still says that an ad blocker is turned on, and I must turn it off. :-(
> 
> Something must be different, and I have just got to find out what.  If/when I 
> crack it, I shall obviously share it.

You may or may not have seen this:

  
http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/i-am-being-warned-i-am-using-an-ad-blocker/id/503978858

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Brian]

On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 14:40:03 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 11 September 2015 13:10:50 Brian wrote:
> >
> > You may or may not have seen this:
> >  
> > http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/i-am-being-warned-i-am-using-an-a
> >d-blocker/id/503978858
> 
> Thanks, Brian.  I have already allowed tracking, history, cookies and 
> pop-ups. :-( 

Isn't it more about plugins or even some standalone program you have
running? A look at 'ps ax' is worth it. Running Iceweasel from a new,
different account might narrow it down.

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[David Wright]

Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 14:40:03 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 11 September 2015 13:10:50 Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > You may or may not have seen this:
> > >  
> > > http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/i-am-being-warned-i-am-using-an-a
> > >d-blocker/id/503978858
> > 
> > Thanks, Brian.  I have already allowed tracking, history, cookies and 
> > pop-ups. :-( 
> 
> Isn't it more about plugins or even some standalone program you have
> running? A look at 'ps ax' is worth it. Running Iceweasel from a new,
> different account might narrow it down.

I do that as a matter of course for security reasons. It does lead
to one wrinkle, though. Pulse audio won't let both users play sound
at the same time so one or other (flash on the browser, me running
xmms under my own account) stalls. I don't know if this could be
relevant to Lisi.

I've yet to investigate the snags in running pulse audio at a system
level rather than as a user.

Cheers,
David.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
>
> A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.

I would call it a kludge, at best. Using wget and dpkg is to invite what
used to be called 'RPM hell'. It also runs the risk of missing security
updates to packages.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in Iceweasel does not work anymore in Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 10 September 2015 10:33:20 Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2015-09-09, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> >> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.
> >
> > A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.
>
> I would call it a kludge, at best. 

I agree.  But at least it is constructive not nihilistic: "don't do it; no-one 
reasonable wants to do anything that can't be done in pure Debian".  It is 
the fact of a constructive suggestion that I was saying was a good idea, not 
the actual suggestion.

> Using wget and dpkg is to invite what 
> used to be called 'RPM hell'. It also runs the risk of missing security
> updates to packages.

Yes, I shall continue to use deb-multimedia as I always have done when it 
suits me.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 23:41:45 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:31:50 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> >
> > flashplayer-mozilla will install the same flashplayer as
> > flashplugin-nonfree. But there is a big difference between the
> > flashplayer what't installed in Chromium. Chromium is better in flash.
> 
> And won't play Channel 4.

Are we sure, as Paul says, it is the same flashplayer? The plugin from
Adobe, which is what flashplugin-nonfree installs:

  brian@desktop:~$ ls -l libflashplayer.so 
  -rw-rw-r-- 1 brian brian 17459332 Aug  7 19:50 libflashplayer.so

The plugin from flashplayer-mozilla:

  brian@desktop:~$ ls -l libflashplayer.so 
  -rw-r--r-- 1 brian brian 17432460 Aug 11 18:14 libflashplayer.so

The md5sums are different too. Now, why is that and does it matter?
The respective packages are based on the same source.

  http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/

identifies both plugins as the same version.

I am not claiming the file size difference implies different behaviour.

I would move the flashplayer-mozilla plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla out of
the way and substitute the flashplugin-nonfree one. What does that get
us for 4od and the iplayer?

> Nonetheless, flashplayer-mozilla works on my desktop and flashplugin-nonfree 
> doesn't.  FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANNEL.

Intriguing. Are the HAL packages installed?

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 10 September 2015 22:57:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:

I have:
> Path:
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/lib
>flashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version:
> 11.2.202.350

My husband has:
> Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
> Version: 11.2.202.508

So they are different versions.  "All" I have to find out is how to get my 
husband the same version

I'll look at that in the morning.

But I feel that we are - I am - progressing!

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:22:51 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

>On Thursday 10 September 2015 22:57:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>I have:
>> Path:
>> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/lib
>>flashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Version:
>> 11.2.202.350
>
>My husband has:
>> Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
>> Version: 11.2.202.508
>
>So they are different versions.  "All" I have to find out is how to get my 
>husband the same version
>
>I'll look at that in the morning.
>
>But I feel that we are - I am - progressing!
>
>Lisi
>
>

Why not just copy the file from his to yours. But first delete all
those other ones, on your system. I put all my plugins in
~/.mozilla/plugins , and tell firefox where to find them in
the ~/.bashrc file as 
MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/charlie/.mozilla/plugins"


-- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 10 September 2015 13:37:03 Brian wrote:
> > Nonetheless, flashplayer-mozilla works on my desktop and
> > flashplugin-nonfree doesn't.  FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANNEL.
>
> Intriguing. Are the HAL packages installed?

All the ones you mention plus hal-trinity.   But so has my husband's computer.  
He has only the one libflashplayer.so, the mozilla one.

I, on the other hand, have three:
/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

Plus two actually on my computer in some old files belonging to a client.

Reported in iceweasel thus:
   
 File: libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so,libflashplayer.so
  
Path: 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so,/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so,/home/lisi/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.350
State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

And then a table.

My husband has:

File: libflashplayer.so
Path: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.508
State: Enabled
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

 
So it should be his that is working and mine that is not!
We both have Iceweasel 40.0.3-3~bpo70+1, though they manage to look very 
different.

Earlier in this saga, Peter had both flashplugin-nonfree and 
flashplayer-mozilla, but as it didn't work I aptitude purged both, then 
installed flashplayer-mozilla.

The problem on my husband's computer is that it complains that adblocker 
software is installed and working, so won't play.  It isn't.  I have allowed 
pop-ups, allowed cookies, cleared the cache.  I am stuck!

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:


But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the TV,
and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
husband's desktop.

Lisi


Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works 
without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are 
having problems watching internet video you should give 
flashplayer-mozilla a try.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.4.0 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda13
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-09-15 om 07:43 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Tuesday 08 September 2015 22:55:21 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
>> "flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
>> flashplugin for Mozilla.
>>
>> For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".
> 
> Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.

I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
it, but I think you are wrong.

flashplugin-nonfree and pepperflashplugin-nonfree are installing the
original plugins from Adobe and Google.

>> deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
>> use it.
> 
> Great advice if you are using your computer as an ornament or for something 
> for which you don't need deb-multimedia.  

For what do you need it?  Everything is in Debian itself.

The only thing I know, is that it's useable for libdvdcss2.
But you can play most DVD's without libdvdcss2.

> Less good if you have a purpose for 
> your computer and that purpose can only be fulfilled with deb-multimedia.

What kind of special things are you doing with your computer?

I am a sysadmin and I help many people with Debian computers.
Nobody needs deb-multimedia.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
>> the TV,
>> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
>> husband's desktop.
>>
>> Lisi
> 
> Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> having problems watching internet video you should give
> flashplayer-mozilla a try.

Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?

The only thing you need to do, is to update it. I use a crontab for
that. Something like this and it works for both Iceweasel and Cromium:

cd /etc/cron.d/
sudo wget http://vandervlis.nl/files/flash-update

This tries to update flash every day at 12:00.
No problem when no flashplugins are found.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> >> the TV,
> >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
> >> husband's desktop.
> >>
> >> Lisi
> >
> > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
>
> Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?

Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.

I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and others I 
know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 04:55:04PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 02:29 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> >I agree about the shotgun bit, or consider it more like "perfecting your
> >swimming in a shark tank."
> >
> >read:
> >https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ
> >
> >before swimming in the http://www.deb-multimedia.org tank.
> 
> 
> I don't use it at all. :) Ric

I got libdvdcss2 from there, although I probably don't it now as I can't
remember the last time I actually watched a DVD on my computer.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-08, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 08-09-15 om 20:37 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
>> On 09/08/2015 10:40 AM, Haines Brown wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
 On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it
> is listed
> in neither. :-/

 Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.
>>>
>>> I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
>>> this line in sources.list:
>>>
>>>deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
>>>
>>> I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:
>>>
>>># aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
>>>
>>> I get:
>>>
>>>No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla
>> 
>> I use synaptic and it's there for wheezy, jessie, stretch and sid..
>> 
>> i386
>> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/oldstable/non-free/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php
>> 
>> 
>> amd64
>> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla
>> 
>
> Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
> "flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
> flashplugin for Mozilla.
>
> For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".
>
> deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
> use it.
>
> You can update the flashplugins with these commands:
> update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
> update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install
>
> Better make a daily cronjob to do this, because there are much problems
> with flash. I have removed it from my machine.

If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
automatically. Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia
repository.

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 07:20:31 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the
> > TV, and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > my husband's desktop.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> having problems watching internet video you should give
> flashplayer-mozilla a try.

Thanks, Jimmy.  I tried it immediately, and it works without a problem on my 
desktop.  (Which isn't where I want it.  Murphy's law.)

It doesn't work on my husband's desktop.  I haven't yet done the 
trouble-shooting.

And I really want it on my TV, but I have to edit the sources list.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:34:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.
>
> I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
> it, but I think you are wrong.

How can you possibly have a valid opinion when you can't test it?  It is you 
who are wrong.  Everyone here, who can in theory get it, has problems on 
Linux, which the channel acknowledges.

Even flashplayer-mozilla is still not working on my husband's desktop.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > >> the TV,
> > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my
> > >> husband's desktop.
> > >>
> > >> Lisi
> > >
> > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> >
> > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> 
> Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.

You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.

> I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and others I 
> know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.

No problem with 4od here on two machines.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
> On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > > >> the TV,
> > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > > >> my husband's desktop.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lisi
> > > >
> > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> > >
> > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> >
> > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
>
> You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
> you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.

All three boxen are  different.  
One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
One I see an eternally turning white circle.
One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.

On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
>
> > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
> > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
>
> No problem with 4od here on two machines.

So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
your solution somewhere on line.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 14:28:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> > > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> > > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
> > > > >> the TV,
> > > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
> > > > >> my husband's desktop.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lisi
> > > > >
> > > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
> > > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
> > > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
> > > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
> > > >
> > > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
> > >
> > > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
> >
> > You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
> > you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.
> 
> All three boxen are  different.  
> One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
> One I see an eternally turning white circle.
> One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
> adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
> could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.

I have no explanations for the first and third experiences but can
reproduce the second one if I don't do what is described below.
 
> On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
> whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
> potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
> >
> > > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
> > > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
> >
> > No problem with 4od here on two machines.
> 
> So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
> know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
> problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
> the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
> your solution somewhere on line.

I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
video on 4od.

  
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/flash-player-11-problems-playing.html

Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.

For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/09/2015 03:10 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 07:20:31 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the
TV, and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
my husband's desktop.

Lisi


Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
having problems watching internet video you should give
flashplayer-mozilla a try.


Thanks, Jimmy.  I tried it immediately, and it works without a problem on my
desktop.  (Which isn't where I want it.  Murphy's law.)

It doesn't work on my husband's desktop.  I haven't yet done the
trouble-shooting.

And I really want it on my TV, but I have to edit the sources list.

Lisi


Hunt down other versions of 'libflashplayer.so' installed where it is 
not working and remove/delete them and then reinstall, you can only have 
one libflashplayer.so installed or you will have problems.

--
Debian Jessie - KDE 4.14.2  - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Charlie Kravetz]

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:28:57 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

>On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:12:57 Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:01:29 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:44:28 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> > > Op 09-09-15 om 08:20 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
>> > > > On 09/08/2015 10:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> > > >> But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to
>> > > >> the TV,
>> > > >> and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on
>> > > >> my husband's desktop.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Lisi
>> > > >
>> > > > Lisi if you are asking? I can tell you 'flashplayer-mozilla' works
>> > > > without the problems that 'flashplayer-nonfree' has, So if you are
>> > > > having problems watching internet video you should give
>> > > > flashplayer-mozilla a try.
>> > >
>> > > Which problems has flashplayer-nonfree?
>> >
>> > Channel 4oD and channel 5 refuse to play.
>>
>> You have signed in successfully. Please describe what happens and what
>> you see on the screen when you try to watch a programme.
>
>All three boxen are  different.  
>One just plays.  With flashplayer-mozilla.
>One I see an eternally turning white circle.
>One starts to play and then stops and refuses to go any further until I turn 
>adblock off.  I have no adblock.  I have even installed adblock so that I 
>could turn it off.  When that didn't work I uninstalled it again.
>
>On the Jessie machine, I installed Pipelight.  I was wading through seeing 
>whether I could do anything about the dependencies that are suggested as 
>potential problems, when flashplayer-mozilla was suggested, so I tried it.
>>
>> > I'm so glad that you don't have problems.  That doesn't help me, and
>> > others I know, watch the programs I want to watch on my TV.
>>
>> No problem with 4od here on two machines.
>
>So that's three I know work.  One of mine and two of yours.  And I do in fact 
>know of one or two others.  If you are saying that you have solved the 
>problem, consistently, and you are very good at solving problems, in view of 
>the number of people who struggle with this, it would be charitable to post 
>your solution somewhere on line.
>
>Lisi
>

One of the things I noticed was that the flashplayer was present in
Wheezy and Stretch when Jessie became stable. For whatever reason,
Jessie Stable is missing the file. Pinning the player from Stretch
works, though.

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.

Sorry - I should have said.  I shall check for those.  I definitely have HAL, 
and shall check for the others.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[David Wright]

Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):

> Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
> 
> For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.

I used to have HAL on lenny and squeeze. When I first upgraded wheezy
on my laptop, it wouldn't come back up when the lid was reopened.
Removing HAL (deprecated in favour of udev) fixed it. I can't see hal
in jessie but it is in sid. Is that because there's a fresh
incarnation, or is it just a survivalist?

Cheers,
David.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> video on 4od.

Bingo!  Of course.  That is exactly it.  But since it sometimes works, I am 
persevering in trying to get it working.  Channel 4 say that it sometimes 
works on Linux!!  If I can find out *why* it sometimes works and sometimes 
doesn't, I could be home and dry.

The second two are what almost everyone else I know gets.  Jimmy's suggestion 
and its working on my desktop was a revelation.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:31:50 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 12:04 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> > On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:34:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> >>> Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.
> >>
> >> I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
> >> it, but I think you are wrong.
> >
> > How can you possibly have a valid opinion when you can't test it?
>
> It's my job for the last 15 years.

Since you haven't tried to get Channel 4 at all, it hasn't been your job for 
even five minutes.

> > It is you
> > who are wrong.  Everyone here, who can in theory get it, has problems on
> > Linux, which the channel acknowledges.
>
> Ah, so it has nothing to do with the choice between flashplayer-mozilla
> and flashplugin-nonfree? That was my opinion about.
>
> Yes, a channel can implement flash in such a bad way, that it's not
> possible to look at it normally for Linux users.

That is what I had consistently been saying.

>
> Yes, a channel can implement flash in such a bad way, that it's not
> possible to look at it normally for Linux users.

Yes, I know.  If you look I specifically mentioned two specific channels.  
They are trying to stop people blocking adverts.  The third channel paid for 
by advertisements is fine on Google Chrome.  And if I can get my television 
to run catch-up on those two channels by running flashplayer-mozilla, however 
illogical that may seem to you, I shall do so, however experienced in other 
matters you may be and however much you may disapprove.  

I would willingly do something else, but the only other thing that has been 
suggested (elsewhere) is Pipelight, and that too has proved problematic.

>
> E.g. here:  http://www.ookjij.nl/
> But this works: http://www.ookjij.nl/index_win.html
>
> > Even flashplayer-mozilla is still not working on my husband's desktop.
>
> flashplayer-mozilla will install the same flashplayer as
> flashplugin-nonfree. But there is a big difference between the
> flashplayer what't installed in Chromium. Chromium is better in flash.

And won't play Channel 4.

Nonetheless, flashplayer-mozilla works on my desktop and flashplugin-nonfree 
doesn't.  FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANNEL.

> For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
> What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
> flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
> is no flash available.

That is completely irrelevant to my presented problem.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 09 September 2015 20:46:42 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.

A constructive suggestion!  That is obviously a good idea.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 11:24:32 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> 
> > Installing hal, hal-info, libhal1 and libhal1-storage cures it for me
> > but you seem to have a more diverse set of issues.
> > 
> > For some reason which I cannot remember I got the debs from a Ubuntu
> > PPA. Maybe the Wheezy ones didn't work for me.
> 
> I used to have HAL on lenny and squeeze. When I first upgraded wheezy
> on my laptop, it wouldn't come back up when the lid was reopened.
> Removing HAL (deprecated in favour of udev) fixed it. I can't see hal
> in jessie but it is in sid. Is that because there's a fresh
> incarnation, or is it just a survivalist?

My understanding is that HAL has gone from Debian, never to return. The
sid package is for the unofficial m68k port only.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brian]

On Wed 09 Sep 2015 at 16:02:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 14:56:54 Brian wrote:
> > I've just did a completely new installation of flashplugin-nonfree on a
> > machine which had never seen it. Your eternally turning white circle is
> > what I get. My feeling is that this has something to do with protected
> > video on 4od.
> 
> Bingo!  Of course.  That is exactly it.  But since it sometimes works, I am 
> persevering in trying to get it working.  Channel 4 say that it sometimes 
> works on Linux!!  If I can find out *why* it sometimes works and sometimes 
> doesn't, I could be home and dry.

I am convinced the HAL packages are required for flash with 4od, if only
because the only machine I do not have them on doesn't play programmes.
 
> The second two are what almost everyone else I know gets.  Jimmy's suggestion 
> and its working on my desktop was a revelation.

I cannot see what flashplayer-mozilla brings to the party that is not
contained in flashplugin-nonfree. Both have libflashplayer, which is
the essential library needed, and both are up-to-date. After that, it
is window dressing.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-09-15 om 12:04 schreef Lisi Reisz:
> On Wednesday 09 September 2015 09:34:11 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>>> Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.
>>
>> I cannot recieve that here I expect, and I have no URL. So I cannot test
>> it, but I think you are wrong.
> 
> How can you possibly have a valid opinion when you can't test it?  

It's my job for the last 15 years.

> It is you 
> who are wrong.  Everyone here, who can in theory get it, has problems on 
> Linux, which the channel acknowledges.

Ah, so it has nothing to do with the choice between flashplayer-mozilla
and flashplugin-nonfree? That was my opinion about.

Yes, a channel can implement flash in such a bad way, that it's not
possible to look at it normally for Linux users.

E.g. here:  http://www.ookjij.nl/
But this works: http://www.ookjij.nl/index_win.html

> Even flashplayer-mozilla is still not working on my husband's desktop.

flashplayer-mozilla will install the same flashplayer as
flashplugin-nonfree. But there is a big difference between the
flashplayer what't installed in Chromium. Chromium is better in flash.

For security reasons I don't use flash anymore on my work-computer.
What I see there, is that really many sites use HTML5 when there is no
flash available. I think this is because of tablet-computers. On tablets
is no flash available.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:

> If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
> automatically. 

When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.

> Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.

I think this is complex to do right.

My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues

When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-09-09, Paul van der Vlis  wrote:
> Op 09-09-15 om 12:20 schreef Liam O'Toole:
>
>> If you use flashplayer-mozilla from deb-multimedia, then you get updates
>> automatically. 
>
> When you use cron, you get updates automatically too. See my other post.

I saw that, thanks. I prefer to manage updates through APT. Each to his
own.

>
>> Conflicts are avoided by pinning the deb-multimedia repository.
>
> I think this is complex to do right.
>
> My experience: deb-multimedia in sources.list gives problems.
> See: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues
>
> When I need a package from deb-multimedia, I use wget and dpkg.

I've been using Flash from deb-multimedia for years without issue (on
stable releases, I grant you). I use the following pinning:

Package: *
Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages
Pin-Priority: 100

-- 

Liam

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/08/2015 10:40 AM, Haines Brown wrote:

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:


But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it is listed
in neither. :-/


Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.


I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
this line in sources.list:

   deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free

I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:

   # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla

I get:

   No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla


I use synaptic and it's there for wheezy, jessie, stretch and sid..

i386 
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/oldstable/non-free/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php 



amd64 
http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla 


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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Haines Brown]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 01:52:56PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 01:30 PM, Haines Brown wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> Trouble shooting with a shotgun here... suppose you add "contrib" to
> that line and try again?? Ric

Thanks, but no good. Produces 404 error. I found the problem and was
able to install the app.

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Ric Moore]

On 09/08/2015 02:29 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 01:52:56PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/08/2015 01:30 PM, Haines Brown wrote:

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:



Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.


I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
this line in sources.list:

   deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free

I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:

   # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla

I get:

   No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla


Trouble shooting with a shotgun here... suppose you add "contrib" to that
line and try again?? Ric

p/s I do have flashplugin-nonfree installed instead.


I agree about the shotgun bit, or consider it more like "perfecting your
swimming in a shark tank."

read:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ

before swimming in the http://www.deb-multimedia.org tank.



I don't use it at all. :) Ric


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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 08-09-15 om 20:37 schreef Jimmy Johnson:
> On 09/08/2015 10:40 AM, Haines Brown wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>>> On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>
 But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it
 is listed
 in neither. :-/
>>>
>>> Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.
>>
>> I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
>> this line in sources.list:
>>
>>deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
>>
>> I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:
>>
>># aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
>>
>> I get:
>>
>>No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla
> 
> I use synaptic and it's there for wheezy, jessie, stretch and sid..
> 
> i386
> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/oldstable/non-free/binary-i386/package/flashplayer-mozilla.php
> 
> 
> amd64
> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-amd64/package/flashplayer-mozilla
> 

Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
"flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
flashplugin for Mozilla.

For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".

deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
use it.

You can update the flashplugins with these commands:
update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install

Better make a daily cronjob to do this, because there are much problems
with flash. I have removed it from my machine.

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.




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Re: Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Martin Read]

On 06/09/15 22:16, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the
flash problem.


This statement is factually incorrect, as no package of that name exists 
in jessie main.


A package of that name *does* exist in the deb-multimedia repositories.

Which program shows info about virtual packages --- apt-cache no good. (was ... Re: Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie)

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 02:16:09PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:


[BIG snip]

> 
> Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the flash
> problem.

# apt-cache show flashplayer-mozilla
N: Can't select versions from package 'flashplayer-mozilla' as it is purely 
virtual
N: No packages found

I tried this from the man page:

apt-cache show --all-names flashplayer-mozilla

but got this as output:
E: Command line option --all-names is not understood

seems like the man page is out of sync. 

Is there another way of seeing the info about flashplayer-mozilla?

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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 08 September 2015 17:01:34 Martin Read wrote:
> On 06/09/15 22:16, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the
> > flash problem.
>
> This statement is factually incorrect, as no package of that name exists
> in jessie main.
>
> A package of that name *does* exist in the deb-multimedia repositories.

Ah!  That *may* be my answer.  I'll have to check.  Thanks.

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Ric Moore]

On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:


But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it is listed
in neither. :-/


Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.


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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 06 September 2015 22:16:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 09/06/2015 12:54 PM, Staszek wrote:
> > On 2015-08-03 13:17, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Likely the upgrade broke your manual installation. You should install
> >> the flashplugin-nonfree package from non-free repo. Anyway be careful,
> >> you probably will need to enable manually when needed in Iceweasel, as
> >> it is disabled by default due to various security problems. Maybe they
> >> are now fixed but it was this before I remove it. To upgrade the plugin,
> >> issue: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >>
> >> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> >>
> >> HYPRA, progressons ensemble
> >>
> >> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61
> >>
> >> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr
> >>
> >> Site Web: http://www.hypra.fr
> >>
> >> - Staszek  a écrit :
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
> >>> Iceweasel stopped working:
> >>>
> >>> $ iceweasel
> >>>
> >>> (process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
> >>> 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
> >>>
> >>> ###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
> >>> send/recv
> >>>
> >>> $
> >>>
> >>> When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
> >>> libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
> >>> It doesn't work anymore, why?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
> >>> libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
> >>> http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having
> >>> the latest version installed (11.2.202.491).
> >
> > This is not just an upgrade problem, because on fresh Jessie simply
> > copying libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins doesn't work either.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the
> flash problem.

Immediately on reading this I installed flashplayer-mozilla on the computer I 
was working on - my desktop - which is running Wheezy and TDE 3.5.13.2.  It 
installed successfully and I have used it.

Yesterday I went to install it on the computer attached to the TV, running 
Jessie and TDE 14.0.2, and it failed "no candidate version found for 
flashplayer-mozilla" and I can't find it in the package lists on debian.org.  
But a search of the package lists also says that it isn't available in 
wheezy.
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy=any=path=names=flashplayer-mozilla

I have, however, just installed it on my husband's wheezy desktop, apparently 
totally successfully.  Unfortunately it doesn't fully work - it won't, at the 
moment, run 4oD.  It may be a question of the version of Iceweasel, so I 
shall have to investigate.

But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it is listed 
in neither. :-/

Lisi

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Haines Brown]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 12:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> >But: why will it install in wheezy, but not in Jessie - and yet it is listed
> >in neither. :-/
> 
> Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.

I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
this line in sources.list:

  deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free

I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:

  # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla

I get:

  No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Ric Moore]

On 09/08/2015 01:30 PM, Haines Brown wrote:

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:



Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.


I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
this line in sources.list:

   deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free

I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:

   # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla

I get:

   No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla


Trouble shooting with a shotgun here... suppose you add "contrib" to 
that line and try again?? Ric


p/s I do have flashplugin-nonfree installed instead.
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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:52:56 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:

Hello Ric,

>Trouble shooting with a shotgun here... suppose you add "contrib" to 
>that line and try again?? Ric

DMO doesn't have contrib, only main and non-free.

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Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 01:52:56PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/08/2015 01:30 PM, Haines Brown wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 12:38:17PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> >>Methinks you have deb-multimedia configured somehow in your sources.
> >
> >I suspect something else is going on. I also am running Wheezy and have
> >this line in sources.list:
> >
> >   deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
> >
> >I do an aptitude update and upgrade, and when I do:
> >
> >   # aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
> >
> >I get:
> >
> >   No candidate version found for flashplayer-mozilla
> 
> Trouble shooting with a shotgun here... suppose you add "contrib" to that
> line and try again?? Ric
> 
> p/s I do have flashplugin-nonfree installed instead.

I agree about the shotgun bit, or consider it more like "perfecting your
swimming in a shark tank."

read:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ

before swimming in the http://www.deb-multimedia.org tank.

-- 
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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 08 September 2015 22:55:21 Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Not sure what this is for a package, but in Debian you have
> "flashplugin-nonfree" in contrib what downloads and installs the
> flashplugin for Mozilla.
>
> For Chromium there is "pepperflashplugin-nonfree".

Neither of these works with British 4oD or Channel 5.

> deb-multimedia in your sources.list can give conflicts, better do not
> use it.

Great advice if you are using your computer as an ornament or for something 
for which you don't need deb-multimedia.  Less good if you have a purpose for 
your computer and that purpose can only be fulfilled with deb-multimedia.

I was so desperate I was wondering why I didn't just buy Windows. ;-) 
deb-multimedia is a small sacrifice compared to that.

But I still haven't got it going on the computer that is attached to the TV, 
and I don't actually want it on my desktop.  And it doesn't work on my 
husband's desktop.

Lisi

Re: Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/06/2015 12:54 PM, Staszek wrote:

On 2015-08-03 13:17, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

Hi,

Likely the upgrade broke your manual installation. You should install the 
flashplugin-nonfree package from non-free repo. Anyway be careful, you probably 
will need to enable manually when needed in Iceweasel, as it is disabled by 
default due to various security problems. Maybe they are now fixed but it was 
this before I remove it. To upgrade the plugin, issue: 
update-flashplugin-nonfree --install

regards


Jean-Philippe MENGUAL

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- Staszek  a écrit :

Hi

I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
Iceweasel stopped working:

$ iceweasel

(process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
'sys_page_size == 0' failed

###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
send/recv

$

When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
It doesn't work anymore, why?

Thanks!

I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having the
latest version installed (11.2.202.491).


This is not just an upgrade problem, because on fresh Jessie simply
copying libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins doesn't work either.

Why?


Installing 'flashplayer-mozilla' that is in Debian main will solve the 
flash problem.

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Re: Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[Staszek]

On 2015-08-03 13:17, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Likely the upgrade broke your manual installation. You should install the 
> flashplugin-nonfree package from non-free repo. Anyway be careful, you 
> probably will need to enable manually when needed in Iceweasel, as it is 
> disabled by default due to various security problems. Maybe they are now 
> fixed but it was this before I remove it. To upgrade the plugin, issue: 
> update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
> 
> regards 
> 
> 
> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> 
> HYPRA, progressons ensemble
> 
> Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61
> 
> Mail: cont...@hypra.fr
> 
> Site Web: http://www.hypra.fr
> 
> - Staszek  a écrit :
>> Hi
>>
>> I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
>> Iceweasel stopped working:
>>
>> $ iceweasel
>>
>> (process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
>> 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
>>
>> ###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
>> send/recv
>>
>> $
>>
>> When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
>> libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
>> It doesn't work anymore, why?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
>> libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
>> http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having the
>> latest version installed (11.2.202.491).

This is not just an upgrade problem, because on fresh Jessie simply
copying libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins doesn't work either.

Why?

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Re : adobe flash player in iceweasel does not work anymore in jessie

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Likely the upgrade broke your manual installation. You should install the 
flashplugin-nonfree package from non-free repo. Anyway be careful, you probably 
will need to enable manually when needed in Iceweasel, as it is disabled by 
default due to various security problems. Maybe they are now fixed but it was 
this before I remove it. To upgrade the plugin, issue: 
update-flashplugin-nonfree --install

regards 


Jean-Philippe MENGUAL

HYPRA, progressons ensemble

Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61

Mail: cont...@hypra.fr

Site Web: http://www.hypra.fr

- Staszek stf.list.ot...@eisenbits.com a écrit :
 Hi
 
 I have upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and my Adobe Flash Player in
 Iceweasel stopped working:
 
 $ iceweasel
 
 (process:6255): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
 
 ###!!! [Parent][MessageChannel::Call] Error: Channel timeout: cannot
 send/recv
 
 $
 
 When on Wheezy, I installed it manually by just copying
 libflashplayer.so to .mozilla/plugins .
 It doesn't work anymore, why?
 
 Thanks!
 
 I prefer to avoid non-free, therefore I created a separate user for
 libflashplayer.so which I downloaded from adobe.com. The page:
 http://www.adobe.com/uk/software/flash/about/ shows that I am having the
 latest version installed (11.2.202.491).
 
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