Re: Erro package manager
Olá, Em 3 de março de 2010 15:13, EURO euri...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa pessoal, Segue os anexos dos erros com o update manager que nao havia postado. Segundo [1], o repositório que você está usando está correto. Aparentemente, está fora do ar no momento. Você pode retirar estas entradas da sua lista de repositórios (nas preferencias do update manager deve dar para fazer isso) e tentar de novo daqui a pouco. [1] http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html Obrigadao Euro 2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com Oi, 2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com: Opa !!!, Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads. Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google. Não recebi os anexos. Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add - Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco??? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gpg ou $ man gpg devem ajudar. [...] Abraço, -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003030902o3832790egde104ae2ab761...@mail.gmail.com -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 * -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031038q72acef4bo8f91d38c97648...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Erro package manager
OK...acho que entendi. Vc diz as preferencias do sources.list. Acredito que o update manager busca as autalizacoes conforme as diretivas apontadas no arquivo sources.list. Nao e isso? Obrigadao pela atencao Euro 2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com Olá, Em 3 de março de 2010 15:13, EURO euri...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa pessoal, Segue os anexos dos erros com o update manager que nao havia postado. Segundo [1], o repositório que você está usando está correto. Aparentemente, está fora do ar no momento. Você pode retirar estas entradas da sua lista de repositórios (nas preferencias do update manager deve dar para fazer isso) e tentar de novo daqui a pouco. [1] http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html Obrigadao Euro 2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com Oi, 2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com: Opa !!!, Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads. Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google. Não recebi os anexos. Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add - Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco??? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gpg ou $ man gpg devem ajudar. [...] Abraço, -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003030902o3832790egde104ae2ab761...@mail.gmail.com -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 * -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031038q72acef4bo8f91d38c97648...@mail.gmail.com -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 *
Re: Erro package manager
Em 3 de março de 2010 16:20, EURO euri...@gmail.com escreveu: OK...acho que entendi. Vc diz as preferencias do sources.list. Acredito que o update manager busca as autalizacoes conforme as diretivas apontadas no arquivo sources.list. Nao e isso? Espero que sim!!! Obrigadao pela atencao [...] Abraço, -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031124m25ee512fk840a291cbd068...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Erro package manager
Opa... o meu sources.list traz: * # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-11:59]/ lenny main deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main deb http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian/ lenny main non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free essas ultimas duas linhas eu que coloquei... de acordo com as outras eu teria que colocar uma segunda linha deb-src ou nao?? ...porque nas ultimas duas linhas eu nao coloquei Obrigado Euro 2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com OK...acho que entendi. Vc diz as preferencias do sources.list. Acredito que o update manager busca as autalizacoes conforme as diretivas apontadas no arquivo sources.list. Nao e isso? Obrigadao pela atencao Euro 2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com Olá, Em 3 de março de 2010 15:13, EURO euri...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa pessoal, Segue os anexos dos erros com o update manager que nao havia postado. Segundo [1], o repositório que você está usando está correto. Aparentemente, está fora do ar no momento. Você pode retirar estas entradas da sua lista de repositórios (nas preferencias do update manager deve dar para fazer isso) e tentar de novo daqui a pouco. [1] http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html Obrigadao Euro 2010/3/3 Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com Oi, 2010/3/3 EURO euri...@gmail.com: Opa !!!, Agora o update manager insiste em nao completar a lista de downloads. Segue anexo as imagens dis erros. Parece que o problema e com o google. Não recebi os anexos. Aqueles comandos para achar as chaves: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key CHAVEDOERRO gpg -a --export CHAVEDOERRO | apt-key add - Se eu quiser voltar a antes como faco??? http://linux.die.net/man/1/gpg ou $ man gpg devem ajudar. [...] Abraço, -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003030902o3832790egde104ae2ab761...@mail.gmail.com -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 * -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031038q72acef4bo8f91d38c97648...@mail.gmail.com -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 * -- Euro Silva Lopes Filho * Biólogo | CRBio 40306-01D 11 8538 0253 *
Re: Erro package manager
Em 3 de março de 2010 16:25, EURO euri...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa... o meu sources.list traz: [...] Dê uma olhada em http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages Acho que muitas das suas dúvidas estão respondidas lá. Abraço, -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031132i3d95ea3co80b4f399fd403...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Erro package manager
Mais em: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.pt-br.html [...] -- ...agora, só nos sobrou o futuro..., visto em www.manuchao.net Gunther Furtado Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil gunfurt...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e8a2deac1003031137p780d026fk11fe24fff6e03...@mail.gmail.com
Texlive Package Manager (tlmgr) and Debian : Where is tlmgr package menager?
Dear List, I am using debian/testing repository for installing texlive. The current version of Texlive is texlive/testing uptodate 2009-7. But the package menager program 'Tlmgr' doesn't show up in my system. I have used a source compiled mpm package manager which is based on miktex. I was happy using it but I heard that mpm is likely to cause problems so I want to try tlmgr package manager. But I can not locate it in my system. I wonder It comes with Texlive 2009-7? if not so, How can I compile myself? Regards, Ahmet -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/114756.75289...@web36402.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Unable to run snaptic package manager or apt-get
Sirs/Madam, I attempted to download Ultimatix and now I am unable to use any of my package managers to install programs. I have tried several apt-get commands and receive the following error message: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open 13 permission denied. How might I correct this problem? Regards, L.R. Young -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to run snaptic package manager or apt-get
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 05:00:02PM +0300, Young, Loren R SGT NG NG NGB [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I attempted to download Ultimatix and now I am unable to use any of my package managers to install programs. I have tried several apt-get commands and receive the following error message: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open 13 permission denied. That's not a lock failure; it actually lacks permissions to access the file. What are the permissions of /var/lib/dpkg/lock? (run ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock) Also, you *are* running apt-get as root, right? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
Am 2007-06-25 11:50:13, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just installed Debian.? I'm wondering about the Synaptic Package Manager.? As I've never used a GUI for Linux before, I will need to get used to how things work. I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. You mean the Debian Menu System? The application schould be in Apps=System Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
BartlebyScrivener wrote: On Jun 25, 11:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. type whereis xmbmon at the commandline rd Or, just type xmbmon to start it up. 'xmbmon -h' displays a help screen with options, and 'man xmbmon' displays the man page. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using Debian Package Manager
I just installed Debian.? I'm wondering about the Synaptic Package Manager.? As I've never used a GUI for Linux before, I will need to get used to how things work. I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. Is there something more that you need to do once you select packages in that package manager and choose 'apply' and go ahead with installation?? When I view properties, it shows a list of installed files in the file system.? However I still wasn't able to figure out how to actually run it. So basically I'm curious about that package manager.? Once installed, are icons created anywhere to run them easily? Thanks in advance. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. Sorry, but i never used xmbmon :-( u could do: apt-get install xmbmon and dpkg -L xmbmon to see where are the package of files are installed in your os. ok, normally every /bin/files are executable files that u can run example: /bin/./df So basically I'm curious about that package manager.? Once installed, are icons created anywhere to run them easily? yes :-) normally yes Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed Debian. I'm wondering about the Synaptic Package Manager. As I've never used a GUI for Linux before, I will need to get used to how things work. [stuff deleted] So basically I'm curious about that package manager. Once installed, are icons created anywhere to run them easily? Someone else can chime in with how to find the xmbmon app in the menu structure. Here are a couple of ways to get an overview of what a package installed. 1. Open a command window ( From the Gnome menu bar, click Applications / Accessories / Terminal) 2. At the terminal prompt, type dpkg -L xmbmon 3. In the output list, you'll see /usr/bin/xmbmon, so that's where the program itself is. You'll see other references to /usr/share/doc/xmbmon and /usr/share/man/man1 which mean there is documentation in those two directories. 4. To see the documentation, type zless /usr/share/doc/xmbmon/ReadMe.gz or, type man xmbmon to see the man page. 5. dpkg above is the debian package manager, a command line utility. Here is a page showing how to find out about Debian packages, worth the read: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html Hope this helps. Keith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
On Jun 25, 11:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to install a motherboard monitor.? I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it.? It said installation complete.? However, I have no idea how to find it and run it.? It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. type whereis xmbmon at the commandline rd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just installed Debian. I'm wondering about the Synaptic Package Manager. As I've never used a GUI for Linux before, I will need to get used to how things work. If you already have experience in using the command line, nothing stops you from keeping to use it. In many cases, you need these skills anyway. I wanted to install a motherboard monitor. I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it. It said installation complete. However, I have no idea how to find it and run it. It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. This is probably a minor problem with the package. For some packages it doesn't make sense to add a menu entry, others just install binaries with unexpected names (which I think is the case with xmbmon). Either way, whether icons are created or not doesn't depend on the package manager you use. They all just unpack the .deb file and run some scripts. J. -- I wish I looked more like a successful person even though I'm a loser. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wanted to install a motherboard monitor. I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it. It said installation complete. However, I have no idea how to find it and run it. It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. You can see the contents of a package by: $ dpkg -L package-name I often do this and grep or look for files in bin/, etc/, man/, etc. directories to get a jump-start on what a package contains. All packages should put a directory under /usr/share/bin/ containing README files, changelogs, sometimes examples and other documentation. Ken -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Package Manager
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 11:49:43AM -0800, Ken Irving wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wanted to install a motherboard monitor. I found one in the list, xmbmon, and chose to install it. It said installation complete. However, I have no idea how to find it and run it. It's not showing up in the applications list anywhere. You can see the contents of a package by: $ dpkg -L package-name I often do this and grep or look for files in bin/, etc/, man/, etc. directories to get a jump-start on what a package contains. All packages should put a directory under /usr/share/bin/ containing README files, changelogs, oops.../usr/share/doc/ sometimes examples and other documentation. -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user based package manager?
On 3/18/07, Jeff Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. 0install(0install.net) but that's a binary system. Why don't you just configure with --prefix=$HOME/myprograms/ or something like that? greets, Wim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user based package manager?
Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. 0install(0install.net) but that's a binary system. Why don't you just configure with --prefix=$HOME/myprograms/ or something like that? This is where the concept of opt comes in (for me, anyways). ./configure --prefix=$HOME/opt/anjuta ./configure --prefix=$HOME/opt/kismet etc... Then I have a $HOME/bin directory in my PATH, that I symlink the binaries I use frequently into. I've longed for a userspace dpkg type thing as well, which would install .deb's into my home directory, but unfortuantely in most cases this would be impossible without rebuilding the package from source each time... and even then, you'd need a $HOME/var/lib/dpkg, etc etc etc... Really, there's two problems that somebody is usually trying to solve here: 1) Being able to install software as an unprivileged user... having to compile from source for absolutely everything kind of sucks, but it's about the best solution we have right now, and if you follow the opt convention, the packages are at least easy to manage... Of course, if you find yourself installing dependancies the same way then you end up with crazy configure lines like CPPFLAGS=-I$HOME/opt/foo/include -I$HOME/opt/bar/include LDFLAGS=-L$HOME/opt/foo/lib -L$HOME/opt/bar/lib ./configure --prefix=$HOME/opt/baz etc... of course, this can all be alleviated by setting up symlink directories for lib and include. And then there's the other problem, 2) Clean separation of multiple tasks on the same system. For this, I use cdebootstrap to create a chroot environment (usually something like cdebootstrap -f standard etch /var/lib/chroot/task_name http://127.0.0.1/apt-cacher/ftp.yi.org/debian;), then chroot into there and set it up like a brand new debian system. Since almost any system I'm deploying stuff on, I'm root on, this method seems to work well. Cheers, Tyler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user based package manager?
Am 2007-03-19 07:51:28, schrieb Jeff Zhang:
dpkg/apt/aptitude are designed to install *system* packages.
If you want to install user-specific packages, build from source.
Yes, it is what I'm mean about things after building and installing.
You need to reverse engineer the debhelper, e.g. dh_manpages which
normaly install in /usr/share/man which must be changed to /man and if
installed in the HOME it is ${HOME}/man and a standad location.
Also dpkg-buildpackage so it can extract the files into a temporary location
and then there
must be a script (in addition to preinst and postinst) which move
the temporary target to $HOME.
It is possibel since I have one, but I must say: It works for me!
and it is not for public use. I call it tdinstall which simply create
renamed tgz archives = .tdd
Please look http://www.freedesktop.org/ for an implemantation of
$USER install pathes inside of ${HOME} like
${HOME}/bin
etc
fonts
log
man
tmp
var
Other standard pathes are:
${HOME}/.Xresources
.Xresources/de
.Xresources/de_DE
.Xresources/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.icons
.icons/default
.icons/default/cursors
.icons/xresource/cursors
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Re: user based package manager?
Jeff Zhang wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. A very good question. A fairly simple solution might be to use installwatch to monitor the installation and output a log file. Then a simple script could remove everything listed in the log file when you want to uninstall it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user based package manager?
On 3/19/07, Adam Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Zhang wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. A very good question. A fairly simple solution might be to use installwatch to monitor the installation and output a log file. Then a simple script could remove everything listed in the log file when you want to uninstall it. Sure, it is simple and could fulfill usage in some ways. :)
user based package manager?
Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one.
Re: user based package manager?
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Re: user based package manager?
On 3/19/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/18/07 10:48, Jeff Zhang wrote: Most installed packages will mess $HOME more or less when compiled with --prefix=$HOME. Though, keep the log of `make install' may be used as an removing method if wanted latter. Is there some package manager that can be used for normal user under their home location? By which the software can be cleanly purged and so on. Or some extensions of checkinstall to make an simple one. dpkg/apt/aptitude are designed to install *system* packages. If you want to install user-specific packages, build from source. Yes, it is what I'm mean about things after building and installing.
Update and Package manager unresponsive
I've been a debian etch user for less than a week, all was going very well until after installing Firestarter firewall, which went well, I got the updates available window and went ahead with updates resulting in an error message, which I didn't write down. I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? I've tried rebooting to no effect. Any suggestions Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 14:20 +0100, Stephen Fahey wrote: I've been a debian etch user for less than a week, all was going very well until after installing Firestarter firewall, which went well, I got the updates available window and went ahead with updates resulting in an error message, which I didn't write down. I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Not sure about the above, but ... Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? AFAIK, the command line tool will not prompt for the root password. Just run your apt-get command after logging in as root. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 14:20 +0100, Stephen Fahey wrote: I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns Try : :~$ sudo apt-get update or :~$ su -c apt-get update -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
Robin Putters wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 14:20 +0100, Stephen Fahey wrote: I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns Try : :~$ sudo apt-get update or :~$ su -c "apt-get update" sudo apt-get update resulted in password prompt but wouldn't except password, so tried next see below: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su -c "apt-get update" Password: Get: 1 http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch Release.gpg [189B] Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch Release Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch/main Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch/main Sources/DiffIndex Get: 2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B] Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources Fetched 2B in 3s (1B/s) Reading package lists... Done [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I however still have access problems. Holding the mouse over the Update manager symbol I see the message "A error occurred, please run Package Manager from the right-click menu or apt-get on a terminal to see what is wrong. The error message was: 'Error: BrokenCount 0' " Doing so gets no response. Is there a way of logging in as administrator (root) on startup? or am I going to have to reinstall. Steve
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
On Saturday 08 July 2006 09:20, Stephen Fahey wrote: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? You cannot run two simulataneous processes both of which will upgrade packages on your system. For example you cannot run two apt-get sessions or apt-get+synaptic sessions etc., simultaneously. To make sure that there are no such simultaneous sessions what apt does is to create a lock file. If the lock file is present other process cannot upgrade the packages. What would have happened in your case is that one of your apt-get/synaptic/aptitude sessions were stopped abruptly. So the lock file was not deleted. you can kill the corresponding apt-get/synaptic/aptitude process by doing pkill apt-get as root. Substitude apt-get with your package manager. After that everything should be fine. I've tried rebooting to no effect. If you are using Debian (or any other Linux for that matter), normally you can trouble shoot a problem without rebooting. Rebooting is M$ way of solving problems. Do you want to be perceived as a clueless M$ user? raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 04:53:31PM +0100, Stephen Fahey wrote: Robin Putters wrote: On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 14:20 +0100, Stephen Fahey wrote: I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns Try : :~$ sudo apt-get update or :~$ su -c apt-get update sudo apt-get update resulted in password prompt but wouldn't except password, so tried next see below: what password did you use? you should have used your users password, not the root password. Is you user in the sudoers list? man sudo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su -c apt-get update Password: Get: 1 http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch Release.gpg [189B] Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch Release Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch/main Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch/main Sources/DiffIndex Get: 2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B] Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources Fetched 2B in 3s (1B/s) Reading package lists... Done [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ this command worked properly. you apt system seems to be working fine. I however still have access problems. Holding the mouse over the Update manager symbol I see the message A error occurred, please run Package Manager from the right-click menu or apt-get on a terminal to see what is wrong. The error message was: 'Error: BrokenCount 0' Doing so gets no response. which update manager are you talking about here? what desktop system are you running: gnome? kde? some other? Is there a way of logging in as administrator (root) on startup? or am I going to have to reinstall. yes. you can log in as administrator many ways. the easiest is to upen a terminal and type the su command. then enter the root password. you will see the command line prompt change to a different style and you will be then operating as root. be sure to exit out of root when you are done. you most certainly will not have to reinstall. once you install debian, unless you REALLY REALLY break something, you'll never have to reinstall. this list can help you solve all kinds of problems, but it is important to provide really detailed information such as what commands you've issued, what the responses were -- prefereably verbatim (copy and paste from terminal windows). A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Update and Package manager unresponsive
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:20:57 +0100 Stephen Fahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been a debian etch user for less than a week, all was going very well until after installing Firestarter firewall, which went well, I got the updates available window and went ahead with updates resulting in an error message, which I didn't write down. I now cannot open Update manager or start Synaptic package Manager. I think the issue is I'm not being asked for Administrator password, access to Root Terminal does not get a response. Running :~$ apt-get check in Terminal returns E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? One of the upgrades of Etch this week gave me the same problem. Open an terminal and login as root. Then run synaptic from the command line Check in synaptic if gksu is correctly installed. If not, as i presume, reinstall it. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smart package manager
There is talk about the smart package manager. It claims it will handle package managing better than APT. Is this true or propaganda? If it is true, will there be a future switch from APT to this SMART? Could it be a potential etch +1 goal? Just wondering. Joseph Smidt-- - Joseph Smidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smart package manager
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:20:43PM -0600 or thereabouts, Joseph Smidt wrote: There is talk about the smart package manager. It claims it will handle package managing better than APT. Is this true or propaganda? If it is true, will there be a future switch from APT to this SMART? Could it be a potential etch +1 goal? Just wondering. Are you referring to Aptitude ? It's available either in a curses display (I think it's curses) or from the command line. I consider it better than apt-get, but that's _my_ opinion. If you search Google with the query 'apt-get vs aptitude' you'll get some opinions, along with educated opinions. I like this one: Aptitude is said to deal with dependencies better than apt-get. For example, say you install a package which automatically installs some library packages because it depends on them. When you remove this package with apt-get, it won't remove the libraries this package installed, although they aren't used anymore. When you install that package with aptitude and remove it with aptitude, aptitude 'detects' that those library packages aren't used anymore and will therefore automatically remove them. -- Regards Stephen + What no spouse of a writer can ever understand is that a writer is working when he's staring out the window. + -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smart package manager
There is talk about the smart package manager. It claims it will handle package managing better than APT. Is this true or propaganda? If it is true, will there be a future switch from APT to this SMART? Could it be a potential etch +1 goal? Just wondering. Are you referring to Aptitude ? It's available either in a curses display (I think it's curses) or from the command line. He is probably referring to smartpm package: The Smart Package Manager project has the ambitious objective of creating smart and portable algorithms for solving adequately the problem of managing software upgrading and installation. This tool works in all major distributions (APT, APT-RPM, YUM, URPMI, etc). This project is in beta testing. Please, understand that bugs are expected to be found at that stage, and there are features that still must be implemented in the forthcoming future. It is an interesting project, but I doubt that APT will go away anytime soon. You do not just go and replace essential parts of the operating system with some half tested beta software. Maybe one day, but probably not in Etch+1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smart package manager
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:30:34 -0400, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:20:43PM -0600 or thereabouts, Joseph Smidt wrote: There is talk about the smart package manager. It claims it will handle package managing better than APT. Is this true or propaganda? If it is true, will there be a future switch from APT to this SMART? Could it be a potential etch +1 goal? Just wondering. Are you referring to Aptitude ? It's available either in a curses display (I think it's curses) or from the command line. No, he's referring to smart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Package_Manager /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. Unreadable code, Why would anyone use it? Learn a better way. -- Geoff Kuenning's contribution to the 2004 Perl Haiku Contest, Haikus about Perl - 'Dishonerable Mention' winner pgpeQaUBStrtu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fwd: Debian Package Manager wanted
Merhaba, Debian grubunda bu boyutta bir proje için vakit ayırabilecek arkadaş var mı? -- Yönlendirilmiş İleti -- Subject: Debian Package Manager wanted Date: Pts 22 May 2006 21:28 From: Karsten Hilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-Med debian-med@lists.debian.org Hi all, we are in the final phase for version 0.2 of GNUmed. http://www.gnumed.org http://salaam.homeunix.com/twiki/bin/view/Gnumed/WebHome Unfortunately, our Debian Package manager (Andreas Tille) for 0.1 will not be able to do the same for 0.2 due to time constraints. Our reference platform is Debian. We already have GNUmed packages in Debian Etch/Debian Med. Hence we are in great need of someone doing further Debian packaging for us. What support will you get ? - there are 0.1 Debian packages and the infrastructure which can be reused - I, as the lead developer, will be your direct contact on GNUmed questions - we already have 0.2 installation packages for Windows and a Windows release manage who will help with packaging - our previous Debian maintainer offered to answer any questions that arise I have seen quite a few people create nice packages on this list so I sincerely hope someone can help us on that. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- İyi çalışmalar. -- Zeki Çatav http://kalpdamar.hekimi.com pgpKctxVa4PIT.pgp Description: PGP signature
synaptic package manager problem
I use gnome2.14. and I install gnopernicus. after install it. I want to remove it. but I can't remove it. Synaptic is close itself each time I press apply button. This is happen to all module when I want to remove. I can't press apply button because It will close How to correct this problem? Kan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: synaptic package manager problem
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 07:19:01PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I use gnome2.14. and I install gnopernicus. after install it. I want to remove it. but I can't remove it. Synaptic is close itself each time I press apply button. This is happen to all module when I want to remove. I can't press apply button because It will close How to correct this problem? I don't use synaptic, but as a general guide, when you are having trouble with a gui app, start it from a terminal, then you can see if there is any output. open whatever terminal you use, type synaptic at the command line and then use the program normally. If it crashes, you may get output in the terminal. That's the first thing I do if I'm having trouble with a gui app. Also, you might try synaptic -h or --help as there maybe a verbose command line switch. That may help with getting useful output. .02 A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: synaptic package manager problem
The same problem as me http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/88419 On พฤ., 2006-05-11 at 08:17 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 07:19:01PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: I use gnome2.14. and I install gnopernicus. after install it. I want to remove it. but I can't remove it. Synaptic is close itself each time I press apply button. This is happen to all module when I want to remove. I can't press apply button because It will close How to correct this problem? I don't use synaptic, but as a general guide, when you are having trouble with a gui app, start it from a terminal, then you can see if there is any output. open whatever terminal you use, type synaptic at the command line and then use the program normally. If it crashes, you may get output in the terminal. That's the first thing I do if I'm having trouble with a gui app. Also, you might try synaptic -h or --help as there maybe a verbose command line switch. That may help with getting useful output. .02 A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package manager question
Ok, I'll do that.Thanks.
Re: package manager question
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:09:59 + Fabiana Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'll do that. Thanks. And don't forget to install some xfonts. Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
package manager question
Hello, I've been reading some stuff about apt, dpkg and I wonder if it is possible to have more control on package's dependencies. Is there other package managers for debian that are able to support it? I've found this at www.debian.org As you can see in the above example, APT also takes care of removing packages which depend on the package you have asked to remove. There is no way to remove a package using APT without also removing those packages that depend on it.. I hope this only matters to apt. :S Thanks.
Re: package manager question
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:24:31 + Fabiana Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been reading some stuff about apt, dpkg and I wonder if it is possible to have more control on package's dependencies. Is there other package managers for debian that are able to support it? I've found this at www.debian.org As you can see in the above example, APT also takes care of removing packages which depend on the package you have asked to remove. There is no way to remove a package using APT without also removing those packages that depend on it.. I hope this only matters to apt. :S what is your goal here? Removing a package that another depends on would leave that other package broken and unusable (unless you get the dependencies outside the apt system). Package foo needs package bar to function. If you remove package bar, then package foo will be broken and will be removed as well. A Thanks. pgpfWhrGpGEB8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: package manager question
Hello, I've been reading some stuff about apt, dpkg and I wonder if it is possible to have more control on package's dependencies. Is there other package managers for debian that are able to support it? I've found this at www.debian.org As you can see in the above example, APT also takes care of removing packages which depend on the package you have asked to remove. There is no way to remove a package using APT without also removing those packages that depend on it.. I hope this only matters to apt. :S what is your goal here? Removing a package that another depends on would leave that other package broken and unusable (unless you get the dependencies outside the apt system). Package foo needs package bar to function. If you remove package bar, then package foo will be broken and will be removed as well. If you really want to break something, you can force this with dpkg, but this can instantly break your entire system. You have been warned. What you really need is aptitude, the most powerful package manager on Earth. Once you learn it, you will wonder how you have ever lived without it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package manager question
Fabiana Jorge wrote: Hello, I've been reading some stuff about apt, dpkg and I wonder if it is possible to have more control on package's dependencies. Is there other package managers for debian that are able to support it? I've found this at www.debian.org As you can see in the above example, APT also takes care of removing packages which depend on the package you have asked to remove. There is no way to remove a package using APT without also removing those packages that depend on it.. I hope this only matters to apt. :S Thanks. You can use dpkg for this scenario. For example if you want to remove exim without removing mailx, or the exim daemonsCaution as the below command will cause major issues with not properly addressed and is only for an example. # dpkg --ignore-depends=exim4 -r exim4 Regards, Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package manager question
hmm... I see. So for example, I wanted to install x-window-system, and as I don't have a printer I wouldn't need xlibprint and xlibprint-common (something like that). If it's not safe to remove those packages after the installation, is there a way not to install them?Thank you all for your time.
Re: package manager question
On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 01:05:50AM +, Fabiana Jorge wrote: hmm... I see. So for example, I wanted to install x-window-system, and as I don't have a printer I wouldn't need xlibprint and xlibprint-common (something like that). If it's not safe to remove those packages after the installation, is there a way not to install them? Thank you all for your time. The only way I can think of is to look at the dependencies of x-window-system, make a list of what you need, and install them. Or, as you have said, get x-window-system, and safely remove xlibprint-common etc. You will be told that x-window-system is also being removed, but that is all right, as it is only a `meta' package, which has some dependencies which pull in X but not much in terms of X software which get removed when you remove it... Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah, 462, Jamuna Hostel, Indian Institute of Technology Madras, Chennai - 600 036 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: package manager question
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:05:50 + Fabiana Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm... I see. So for example, I wanted to install x-window-system, and as I don't have a printer I wouldn't need xlibprint and xlibprint-common (something like that). If it's not safe to remove those packages after the installation, is there a way not to install them? Thank you all for your time. 'x-window-system' is not a real package, it is a meta-package. It was specialy created in order to ease the installation of the whole X Window System, so you don't need to select each and every package. If you want to install only some bits of X, just select them in aptitude (with +) and it will automatically install all dependencies, with or without 'recommended' packages (you can change this in the menu). Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Synaptic Package Manager read failure
I was attempting to work with the repository list in Synaptic. After disabling the two Sarge DVD entries (contrib main), re-enabling them, and reloading the deb list, I keep getting an error message that won't go away. If I recheck the two entries on, it still produces the same message, which is: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) Suggestions? Thanks very much in advance. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Synaptic Package Manager read failure
On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 17:00 -0700, J Merritt wrote: I was attempting to work with the repository list in Synaptic. After disabling the two Sarge DVD entries (contrib main), re-enabling them, and reloading the deb list, I keep getting an error message that won't go away. If I recheck the two entries on, it still produces the same message, which is: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) Suggestions? Thanks very much in advance. Not certain I understand your problem exactly - but run apt-get clean as root. It can't hurt.gary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Synaptic Package Manager read failure
J Merritt wrote: I was attempting to work with the repository list in Synaptic. After disabling the two Sarge DVD entries (contrib main), re-enabling them, and reloading the deb list, I keep getting an error message that won't go away. If I recheck the two entries on, it still produces the same message, which is: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r0a%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20050607)_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [...] Delete the entries and use apt-cdrom add to add the DVDs to the list. -- Thomas Weinbrenner pgpC5lyP4LF9s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Synaptic Package Manager vs. RPM
I started using Debian in the past 2 months after using another Linux distro for a long time. The other distro relies on RPM for its package management, with the consequence of the user having to go through "dependency hell" on a regular basis. I have been amazed at the size of the Synaptic Package repository and how seamless it integrates with Debian. Also, I have noticed that some other distros, presumably built on Debian technology, use the same, or a similar, system for package management. What makes Synaptic different from RPM in "concept"? Can you manage any packages via RPM in Debian? I saw there was some kind of RPM utility but I never worked with it much. Thanks for any input. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: Synaptic Package Manager vs. RPM
--- Jeremy Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes Synaptic different from RPM in concept? The question you're really asking is: What makes .deb different from .rpm in concept. ... because Synaptic is just a GUI-frontend. The tools behind it (dpkg, and friends) do all the real work. Can you manage any packages via RPM in Debian? I saw there was some kind of RPM utility but I never worked with it much. There's alien, but you shouldn't need it, and I wouldn't recommend you use it on any critical packages you're going to need to install. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a .deb file of an RPM already in existance, for most packages. -- Thomas Adam ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:39:43PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: --- Jeremy Merritt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes Synaptic different from RPM in concept? The question you're really asking is: What makes .deb different from .rpm in concept. ... because Synaptic is just a GUI-frontend. The tools behind it (dpkg, and friends) do all the real work. Can you manage any packages via RPM in Debian? I saw there was some kind of RPM utility but I never worked with it much. There's alien, but you shouldn't need it, and I wouldn't recommend you use it on any critical packages you're going to need to install. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a .deb file of an RPM already in existance, for most packages. It should also be noted that alien converts the RPM package to a .deb package that can be installed with dpkg, and therefore be managed by the package system. You can install packages directly via rpm sometimes but I wouldn't recommend it, since they will not be registered with the debian package system. -- Steve Block http://ev-15.com/ http://steveblock.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:35:37AM -0700, Jeremy Merritt wrote: I started using Debian in the past 2 months after using another Linux distro for a long time. The other distro relies on RPM for its package management, with the consequence of the user having to go through dependency hell on a regular basis. I have been amazed at the size of the Synaptic Package repository and how seamless it integrates with Debian. Also, I have noticed that some other distros, presumably built on Debian technology, use the same, or a similar, system for package management. What makes Synaptic different from RPM in concept? The package management system (apt* and dpkg) are better at handling dependencies than *some* (read most) other distributions' correspnding tools. Can you manage any packages via RPM in Debian? I saw there was some kind of RPM utility but I never worked with it much. alien converts other package formats, including RPMs, to debs. However, it is recommended that you consider it a last resort, and stick to reliable debs. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah, 462, Jamuna Hostel, Indian Institute of Technology Madras, Chennai - 600 036 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:35:37AM -0700, Jeremy Merritt wrote: I started using Debian in the past 2 months after using another Linux distro for a long time. The other distro relies on RPM for its package management, with the consequence of the user having to go through dependency hell on a regular basis. I have been amazed at the size of the Synaptic Package repository and how seamless it integrates with Debian. Also, I have noticed that some other distros, presumably built on Debian technology, use the same, or a similar, system for package management. What makes Synaptic different from RPM in concept? As already stated, you really mean to ask what makes .deb packages different from .rpm? A very important difference is that .deb packages comply with Debian policy for placement of files on disk (a place for everything and everything in its place). Look for the document of Hierarchical File Structure on the Debian web site. Alien trys to make some corrections but can't really handle all cases of muddle headedness that occur in .rpm packages. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 09:35 -0700, Jeremy Merritt wrote: What makes Synaptic different from RPM in concept? Like they said, it's the difference between .rpm's and .deb's, and the package managers. They both contain the install location(s) and a list of dependencies. The big difference is that apt-get, and friends, don't simply throw up their hands when a dependency is missing -- they go get it and install it. Usually -- and when they don't, it's cause for massive whinage on the user lists until the prob is fixed. Apt-get has been ported to several rpm distros, and does an outstanding job installing rpm packages (and fetching dependencies). Apt's benes are more in the package handling software than in the packages themselves. Can you manage any packages via RPM in Debian? I saw there was some kind of RPM utility but I never worked with it much. rpm itself is there, if you want to apt-get install it, and it will unpack a package, check for dependencies, and install just fine. The biggest problem you can run into using random rpm packages is that they may (very often will) look for dependencies in the wrong places and/or install things in the wrong places -- RedHat/Mandrake/SuSE places instead of Debian places. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hola listeros tengo un problemilla que no logro resolver. Estoy detras un proxy y no puedo llegar a un repositorio x al cual se puedo llegar delante de dicho proxy. El problema creo esté en la configuración del apt, no tenía el file apt.config, luego lo creé coloqué allí Adquaire::http::Proxy http://usuario:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port Pero me da error al conectarme, usando Synaptic y si lo hago con el apt me da :2: Estra junk at end of file Gracias de antemano Ariel Herrera -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie selecting package manager
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:42, Elmer E. Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. ITYM: apt-get. apt-get (and its cohorts), Synaptic, and aptitude are all based on the Advanced Package Tool, a/k/a APT. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? apt-get is a very good tool. Synaptic is a very good tool and has a nicer user interface. aptitude is a very good tool; it's doesn't have the nice GUI of Synaptic but it's more powerful. Also, it can be used like apt-get from the command line. Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? I ran deborphan for the first time yesterday. It found some packages I didn't need and I purged them with aptitude. aptitude didn't think the packages were unused because I had installed them manually. No tool does everything. If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? You might install the aptitude-doc package and read about all the magical things aptitude can do. Or is this just a matter of preference? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 21:42 -0600, Elmer E. Dow wrote: After having used Red Hat 9 and Knoppix (hard disk install), I installed Sarge a while ago and plan to stick with it. All support to you. Now I need to select a package manager to use that fits my needs. My laptop is used for office tapplications (creating documents, some graphics, presentation, browsing, e-mail, etc.) and I don't anticipate installing and removing too many applications. okay I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? May be... Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? Or is this just a matter of preference? Aptitude gives you a GUI... I recommend using apt it is very stable as well for security reasons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Elmer E. Dow wrote: After having used Red Hat 9 and Knoppix (hard disk install), I installed Sarge a while ago and plan to stick with it. Now I need to select a package manager to use that fits my needs. My laptop is used for office applications (creating documents, some graphics, presentation, browsing, e-mail, etc.) and I don't anticipate installing and removing too many applications. I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? Or is this just a matter of preference? - Elmer E. Dow If you like synaptic, you can stick with it for now. But in the mean time learn apt-get. Sometimes you want to do things which are (easy to do|possible only) from the command line. Then apt-get comes in handy. Regarding aptitude vs. apt-get, it is a religious war. You can choose either one. Both have its advantages and disadvantages. I started with apt-get and it fulfilled all my requirements, so I never felt like learning aptitude. If I had started with aptitude, probably the opposite thing would have happened. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi Graduate Student, MAE Cornell University http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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After having used Red Hat 9 and Knoppix (hard disk install), I installed Sarge a while ago and plan to stick with it. Now I need to select a package manager to use that fits my needs. My laptop is used for office applications (creating documents, some graphics, presentation, browsing, e-mail, etc.) and I don't anticipate installing and removing too many applications. I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? Or is this just a matter of preference? - Elmer E. Dow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alphonse Ogulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just wondering, what happens to the system when you remove an installed package or component of a package and replace/update with a tar.gz compiled From source application? Can this break the system -- leading to dependancy issues? Don't do that. :-) If you're going to install things from source, do it in a place not controlled by the package manager, such as /usr/local or $HOME. In some cases you can leave the Debian version installed but just not use it; in other cases (MTAs come to mind) you can use the equivs package to create an empty package that causes dpkg to believe that a package is installed. You definitely should NOT './configure --prefix=/usr; make install' a random source package, especially one that exists as a Debian package. If dpkg or APT decides the package should be upgraded, it'll blindly overwrite your version, which it has no idea exists. I'm asking because I had to install module-init-tools, e2fsprogs and procps (requisite for kernel 2.6.0) from source simply because I couldn't find the respective deb package or probably the deb package failed on my system. All of those are in unstable, and rumor is that you can run 2.6.0 kernels under unstable without too much trouble. If you're brave enough to run a Linux kernel that young, you're probably brave enough to run unstable too. :-) -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just wondering, what happens to the system when you remove an installed package or component of a package and replace/update with a tar.gz compiled from source application? Can this break the system -- leading to dependancy issues? I'm asking because I had to install module-init-tools, e2fsprogs and procps (requisite for kernel 2.6.0) from source simply because I couldn't find the respective deb package or probably the deb package failed on my system. At the moment, the command 'apt-get check' does not report any conflicts. Thanks regards, -- Alphonse Ogulla Nairobi, Kenya -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just wondering, what happens to the system when you remove an installed package or component of a package and replace/update with a tar.gz compiled from source application? Can this break the system -- leading to dependancy issues? I'm asking because I had to install module-init-tools, e2fsprogs and procps (requisite for kernel 2.6.0) from source simply because I couldn't find the respective deb package or probably the deb package failed on my system. All those packages are available both in Debian unstable and at backports.org By installing packages from sources, you broke your system's consistency. Now the package manager database does not match actual contents of your system. So expect different failures while trying to use package management tools. If you really really need to install software in non-deb format, consider making a deb package youself. It is not difficult. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So much for the topic at hand... in general: fear not. It's part of the Linux learning process that one learns where to pick up information. man, info, /usr/share/doc/, www... google is your friend, but google is not the be-all and end-all of everything. Especially if you what you're looking for can't easily be phrased as a search term, or scores far too many hits. I've been using Linux since 0.7x kernels, so you can skip the patronizing. Last time I checked, some of my patches were still in the driver sources for various adapters. The point I was making is that most of us have better things to do than search more than 5 pages of google hits. If the 'right places' to get Debian applications were listed on the debian homepages, this wouldn't be necessary. (more on this below) Wrong: http://source.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/mozilla/binary-i386/ has mozilla 1.5. How is one to find this? I didn't find a link to that site anywhere www.apt-get.org -- I wish I'd found out about that site a lot sooner that I actually did. Your bookmarks ain't complete without it. I _WAS_ searching on apt-get.org and that's where I found that 1.4b4 was the latest one showing. The only firebird showing at the time was .5 .. I know this isn't your fault, but this is starting to become silly. I like Linux, but I don't install it in production environments because I prefer to get work done, rather than keep spinning in circles with stuff. Many people have tried to tell me how great the Debian package management stuff is, but I really ain't seeing it. Everything is still hack-it-yerself and live your life through Google. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 12:14, Joe Rhett wrote: So much for the topic at hand... in general: fear not. It's part of the Linux learning process that one learns where to pick up information. man, info, /usr/share/doc/, www... google is your friend, but google is not the be-all and end-all of everything. Especially if you what you're looking for can't easily be phrased as a search term, or scores far too many hits. I've been using Linux since 0.7x kernels, so you can skip the patronizing. Last time I checked, some of my patches were still in the driver sources for various adapters. The point I was making is that most of us have better things to do than search more than 5 pages of google hits. If the 'right places' to get Debian applications were listed on the debian homepages, this wouldn't be necessary. (more on this below) All of the right places already ARE listed on the Debian homepage. Sites like apt-get.org list all UNOFFICIAL packages which may very well kill your entire system or worse. Hence, they are intentionally NOT listed on debian.org. Also, I don't believe Christian was trying to be patronizing. He may have been incorrect in assuming that if you didn't know that much about Debian that you also didn't know that much about Linux, but the advice he gave was good none the less. Though I must say I'm extremely curious how you managed to use a 0.7x kernel that never existed. The last release of the kernel after 0.12 was 0.95 after all. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Since this post has no technical merits, I separated it out. I've been using Linux since 0.7x kernels, so you can skip the patronizing. Last time I checked, some of my patches were still in the driver sources for various adapters. Though I must say I'm extremely curious how you managed to use a 0.7x kernel that never existed. The last release of the kernel after 0.12 was 0.95 after all. I may have been swapping Slackware versions with kernel versions in my brain, but unless my memory has failed me you're wrong. 0.95 was one of the first stable (in practice) kernels in a fairly long time, and I remember some really unstable and unworkable kernels before it -- but I'm fairly certain that .95 was not a leap version. And god, this is going back what, 11 years now? So forgive me where my memory fails. Naturally, at the time we were all hacking stuff directly and rebuilding kernels to test drivers, so 'stable' as such didn't exist. I was doing most of the grunt work to get SMC network adapter cards functional and tested, as well as bitching about how lousy the NFS client was. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The point I was making is that most of us have better things to do than search more than 5 pages of google hits. If the 'right places' to get Debian applications were listed on the debian homepages, this wouldn't be necessary. (more on this below) All of the right places already ARE listed on the Debian homepage. Sites like apt-get.org list all UNOFFICIAL packages which may very well kill your entire system or worse. Hence, they are intentionally NOT listed on debian.org. Okay, so the real answer does come down to: Debian DOES NOT have a framework for application management on production systems. You're flying by the seat of your pants, just like every other Linux distro. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:24:25 -0800, Joe Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The point I was making is that most of us have better things to do than search more than 5 pages of google hits. If the 'right places' to get Debian applications were listed on the debian homepages, this wouldn't be necessary. (more on this below) All of the right places already ARE listed on the Debian homepage. Sites like apt-get.org list all UNOFFICIAL packages which may very well kill your entire system or worse. Hence, they are intentionally NOT listed on debian.org. Okay, so the real answer does come down to: Debian DOES NOT have a framework for application management on production systems. You're flying by the seat of your pants, just like every other Linux distro. ..yup. And now you have your great chance to earn fame and money for writing it. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Please, stop complaining, and do your research Actually, your comments here are demonstrating just how inadequate the apt-get documentation is. Because I read through it a dozen times -- and was already making notes to suggest cleaning it up -- and I never saw anything about the 'policy' command you're using here. So yes, I needed more information. But the public documentation didn't have anything about these commands, or how to use them appropriately. if you make an $ apt-get update $ apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) it will tell you XXX packages have been held back. These packages have new versions, but for some reason or another (maybe dependencies problems) can not be upgraded without manual intervention. And there's no way to know what they are or why they were held back, that I can determine. Most backport sites offer the possibility to add a line to your sources.list, so after you apt-get update their information is in the apt database, and dependencies are properly handled. For an excellent browser, try galen 1.2 (e.g. from http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/bunk-1.html ) Galeon does not work. Again, if I want a browser that simply doesn't display whole paragraphs of CSS text, I could use old Mozilla. Oh, and no -- there is no modern Mozilla backports. The most modern backport is 1.4b4. That's nearly 9 months old. Wrong: http://source.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/mozilla/binary-i386/ has mozilla 1.5. How is one to find this? I didn't find a link to that site anywhere on the debian main sites, nor from google searches. I would love to do my research, if it was possible without being part of the 'in crowd' ;-) Aside, mozilla 1.5 was released some 2-3 weeks ago, you need to leave some time for the people to do the packaging, right? Mozilla 1.4 was released what, 6 months ago? Still no version of 1.4 other than a pre-release beta that I could find in any backport site. Your are right for Mozilla, but ... $ apt-cache policy konqueror konqueror: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4:2.2.2-14.7 I don't think konqueror 3.1.3 is 2 years old ..., and mozilla-firebird is in testing (see above). But Konquerer doesn't handle perfectly valid HTML, and has decided that it would rather not try to fix those bugs, but instead wait for the world to come around to its point of view. That's useless in a production environment. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kernel updates go in pretty quickly, as a rule. wireless-tools is up to date in testing, and linux-wlan-ng is only a fraction behind unstable. Why isn't it showing me these? Kernel package names change, therefore package management tools don't upgrade them automatically, which is probably a good thing for kernels. Use a real package manager (not apt-get) which shows you new packages. The really funny thing about this whole topic is that we've now come full circle. Read the subject line. I am asking what package manager I should use, because apt-get doesn't seem to handle it well. You are telling me to use a different package manager. I had that answer before I started this thread. Which one? -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 03:56, Joe Rhett wrote: Use a real package manager (not apt-get) which shows you new packages. The really funny thing about this whole topic is that we've now come full circle. Read the subject line. Well, apt-get simply is no package manager. At least not in the common sense. apt-get install whatever is a great thing if you already know what you want, but a package manager provides a little more, UI-wise. Browsable package lists, for example. I'm quite fond of aptitude, give that one a try. Can be used like apt-get, but has also an interactive mode (ie, browser). Some say synaptic is even better, but it's an X application I've never really tried. So much for the topic at hand... in general: fear not. It's part of the Linux learning process that one learns where to pick up information. man, info, /usr/share/doc/, www... google is your friend, but google is not the be-all and end-all of everything. Especially if you what you're looking for can't easily be phrased as a search term, or scores far too many hits. Keep in mind that many applications have their own mailing lists. And while you probably don't want to subscribe to all of them, you might get better results when searching their arcives directly than via google. Wrong: http://source.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/mozilla/binary-i386/ has mozilla 1.5. How is one to find this? I didn't find a link to that site anywhere www.apt-get.org -- I wish I'd found out about that site a lot sooner that I actually did. Your bookmarks ain't complete without it. cu, Schnobs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Try adding this line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file and see if you get better results with your 'apt-get update': APT::Default-Release testing; That's unnecessary if you only have one release listed in /etc/apt/sources.list (which is the configuration I'd strongly recommend) and may just introduce confusion in that case. Although I totally understand your logic, the idea I am hoping can work is to run 'stable' by default, and upgrade to 'testing' versions of packages only as necessary to fulfill a given need. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You seem to have a fairly big misconception here: Adding testing to the sources.list and doing an apt-get update and upgrade will _not_ reflect how many packages are in testing. Not by any stretch. First off, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are very different: upgrade will install new versions of existing packages, but only as long as it doesn't have to add/remove other packages to satisfy depencencies. dist-upgrade will install or remove other things as needed to meet deps. HOWEVER, both of these commands are starting from the goal of upgrading to newer versions of packages you _already_ have installed. It gives you no idea what _else_ might be included in sarge. That's exactly what I want. Can you clarify the above -- is there a way to get a list of what you have that has new versions but don't meet dependancies? I'm not looking for products that aren't installed, I'm just looking for upgrades for things which are installing. Testing is showing me _NOTHING_ of any significance. Only when I prefer unstable do I see upgrades, then it wants a break the whole world shift :-( Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Fist off, you've already had the suggestion offered of using a backport for this. Before you get too carried away with complaining that the entire Debian process is useless, why don't you try the solution that works for so many people. Apt-get.org is your friend. The backports DO NOT fit into the debian framework. I can't use app-get to manage their dependancies. (unless there is some way to do this that isn't documented on the site) Oh, and on browsers: I've personally been extremely happy with Firebird (from the Mozilla folks). It isn't packaged as a deb anywhere I've seen, but just unpacking the tarball in /usr/local/bin and running it has worked fine for me. I didn't say useless, but I did say (and it does appear) that having the unified application/dependancy management system doesn't help here. I might as well run another Linux or Solarix x86, because apt-get isn't doing anything for me here. A given downloaded package (like firebird) might require something, and I'll have to manage all those dependancies myself. Oh, and no -- there is no modern Mozilla backports. The most modern backport is 1.4b4. That's nearly 9 months old. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. Aren't drivers generally part of the kernel, or kernel modules? Which in turn are pretty much independant of which branch you're running. You can compile whatever version kernel you want under woody/sarge/sid... and make-kpkg makes it almost shockingly easy. Compile and kernel don't belong in the vocabulary of any operation which needs stable systems. If you want a 'stable' system with later versions of just a few things, you can use backports or failing that, compile your own. Why aren't these backports being introduced into testing and then stable? Why force people to deliberately go outside the package framework? If you want an in-between system, run testing with the caveat that just before a release, there's not a whole lot of new stuff going into testing. (Seem counter-intuitive? I believe the reason is that just before a release, the emphasis is on debugging the hell out of all the stuff that's already in testing so that it meets Debian's (very high) standards to qualify for the name 'stable' in time for release.) Again, I'm still not seeing anything in testing. Neither the Mozilla nor the Konqueror or any other browser that I can see in testing has been updated in the last 2 years, and all of them contain unworkable flaws that prevent their use in any production environment. If you want more newer stuff than that, go ahead and run unstable. It seems to only get significantly broken very rarely, but things do go wrong sometimes when you run lots of really new versions of stuff. We have no desire to run unstable, but if that's the only way to have modern, unbroken versions of business applications then we'd have no choice, now would we? -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ah, that would explain your confusion. 'apt-get upgrade' isn't what you want, since as documented in the apt-get(8) man page it will not install new packages. In particular, if you attempt to use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from stable to testing, it will refuse to upgrade libc6 because of that package's new dependency on libdb1-compat, and therefore virtually nothing else will be upgraded because it almost all depends on the new libc6. Actually, it does attempt that when I prefer 'unstable' .. and it fails. I had to manually back that stuff out. Don't use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from one version of the distribution to the next. That said, it should have told you that some big number of packages were being held back. Nope. No updates are available or whatever. Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Testing has a perfectly usable version of mozilla-firebird, which I'd argue is a much better browser than plain mozilla. I might personally agree, but there are no production users of firebird. So we have to keep it around in a few places at least. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Kernel updates go in pretty quickly, as a rule. wireless-tools is up to date in testing, and linux-wlan-ng is only a fraction behind unstable. Why isn't it showing me these? Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. Examples, please? I'd be happy to look at them and see what I can do; I can certainly explain what problems are involved. Perhaps related to above? Am I doing something wrong that I'm not seeing this stuff? In short, it appears that if one actually wants to use Debian as a desktop, one has no choice but to throw the debian guidelines out the window and run with unstable. I actually use Debian testing as a desktop, eight hours a day, five days a week. It works great. This means you lose commonality with any server 'stable' systems you might need to run. As far as commonality goes (although I don't quite understand what you mean here), you should regard testing as closer to unstable in terms of versions of software than to stable, because for the most part it is, particularly in recent months. The general idea being that you could have an internal policy that no 'unstable' things are deployed on servers. I wouldn't mind running unstable on personal desktops, but if they diverge so far that there is a loss of commonality... -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:46:30AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: HOWEVER, both of these commands are starting from the goal of upgrading to newer versions of packages you _already_ have installed. It gives you no idea what _else_ might be included in sarge. That's exactly what I want. Can you clarify the above -- is there a way to get a list of what you have that has new versions but don't meet dependancies? I'm not looking for products that aren't installed, I'm just looking for upgrades for things which are installing. Testing is showing me _NOTHING_ of any significance. Only when I prefer unstable do I see upgrades, then it wants a break the whole world shift :-( What I would do is this: Comment out all the stable or woody sources in sources.list (you could just as easily delete them, but I like keeping stuff) Add all relevant sarge sources apt-get update apt-get -s dist-upgrade This will do a 'simulate' run of the dist-upgrade. Don't bother with 'upgrade' at all. It doesn't have enough freedom to really get anywhere (between branches, lots of packages end up with different dependencies or some library gets renamed or whatever, and 'upgrade' won't install new packages to meet the new dependencies, so nothing happens). If you like what you see, run it again without the -s Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Fist off, you've already had the suggestion offered of using a backport for this. Before you get too carried away with complaining that the entire Debian process is useless, why don't you try the solution that works for so many people. Apt-get.org is your friend. The backports DO NOT fit into the debian framework. I can't use app-get to manage their dependancies. (unless there is some way to do this that isn't documented on the site) Well, what I do personally is a little clunky but seems to do the job: When I find a backport I want, I add its deb line to my sources.list, then do an apt-get update, then an apt-get install of the package. I then immediately go back to my sources.list, comment out the line, and apt-get update again. This way, when I'm installing the backport, apt can draw on both the whole official woody tree, plus the site where I'm getting the backport (to meet any dependencies). BUT, when I later fire up aptitude to install something or check for new security fixes, I don't end up with newer unofficial versions of god-knows-what getting installed from all those backport sources. There may well be some elegant way of doing this with apt's pinning feature, but I don't understand pinning and it scares me, so I stick with this method for now. Oh, and on browsers: I've personally been extremely happy with Firebird (from the Mozilla folks). It isn't packaged as a deb anywhere I've seen, but just unpacking the tarball in /usr/local/bin and running it has worked fine for me. I didn't say useless, but I did say (and it does appear) that having the unified application/dependancy management system doesn't help here. I might as well run another Linux or Solarix x86, because apt-get isn't doing anything for me here. A given downloaded package (like firebird) might require something, and I'll have to manage all those dependancies myself. It's true. In the particular case of installing something that's not packaged as a deb file, apt is not doing anything for you. In firebird's case, it does not seem to depend on anything, and the simple expedient of untarring it has given me the only browser I need. Oh, and no -- there is no modern Mozilla backports. The most modern backport is 1.4b4. That's nearly 9 months old. Bummer. Aren't drivers generally part of the kernel, or kernel modules? Which in turn are pretty much independant of which branch you're running. You can compile whatever version kernel you want under woody/sarge/sid... and make-kpkg makes it almost shockingly easy. Compile and kernel don't belong in the vocabulary of any operation which needs stable systems. In that case, I'm fairly sure you can just download and dpkg -i a pre-built kernel from any of the three branches. Don't quote me on this, as I've never actually tried it, but I _think_ that kernel-image packages don't tend to have dependency issues... so you could install a kernel-image-2.4.22 or whatever from sid on a woody or sarge system if you like. If you want a 'stable' system with later versions of just a few things, you can use backports or failing that, compile your own. Why aren't these backports being introduced into testing and then stable? Why force people to deliberately go outside the package framework? Um. They're not introduced into stable because nothing is. Once it's released, it's frozen. Not being a developer, I'm not the person to try and
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:53:12AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Ah, that would explain your confusion. 'apt-get upgrade' isn't what you want, since as documented in the apt-get(8) man page it will not install new packages. In particular, if you attempt to use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from stable to testing, it will refuse to upgrade libc6 because of that package's new dependency on libdb1-compat, and therefore virtually nothing else will be upgraded because it almost all depends on the new libc6. Actually, it does attempt that when I prefer 'unstable' .. and it fails. I had to manually back that stuff out. Perhaps you could actually show us what's happening when you try to upgrade to testing, i.e. a complete transcript of what you're doing? Guesswork isn't really so much fun. Don't use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from one version of the distribution to the next. That said, it should have told you that some big number of packages were being held back. Nope. No updates are available or whatever. Or whatever? Again, exact transcripts please, including /etc/apt/sources.list. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Kernel updates go in pretty quickly, as a rule. wireless-tools is up to date in testing, and linux-wlan-ng is only a fraction behind unstable. Why isn't it showing me these? Kernel package names change, therefore package management tools don't upgrade them automatically, which is probably a good thing for kernels. Use a real package manager (not apt-get) which shows you new packages. Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. Examples, please? I'd be happy to look at them and see what I can do; I can certainly explain what problems are involved. Perhaps related to above? Am I doing something wrong that I'm not seeing this stuff? As I said, I need examples and transcripts. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:19:47AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:41:50PM -0600, DePriest, Jason R. wrote: Try adding this line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file and see if you get better results with your 'apt-get update': APT::Default-Release testing; That's unnecessary if you only have one release listed in /etc/apt/sources.list (which is the configuration I'd strongly recommend) and may just introduce confusion in that case. Although I totally understand your logic, the idea I am hoping can work is to run 'stable' by default, and upgrade to 'testing' versions of packages only as necessary to fulfill a given need. While it's a nice idea, it won't actually work as you want, because packages in testing almost always depend on testing's libc6. Once you've upgraded to that, there's really very little point in trying to run stable for everything else, because you've already upgraded one of the parts of the system most likely to introduce instability. Also, other packages, particularly those related to interpreters like perl and python, frequently require the upgrade of surprisingly large swathes of your system. This is why I recommend against trying to mix stable and testing. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:41:50PM -0600, DePriest, Jason R. wrote: From: Joe Rhett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me rephrase. Either the US mirrors are screwed, or there is less than a dozen packages in testing. Because adding testing to the sources list and doing an apt-get update (which was successful) and then trying to upgrade packages gets me next to nothing. I found hundreds more packages in 'security' than I did in testing, which actually baffles me since they should have much of the same content according to the debian guidelines. Try adding this line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file and see if you get better results with your 'apt-get update': APT::Default-Release testing; That's unnecessary if you only have one release listed in /etc/apt/sources.list (which is the configuration I'd strongly recommend) and may just introduce confusion in that case. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:47:54 + Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually use Debian testing as a desktop, eight hours a day, five days a week. It works great. Moi aussi. But there are some kde-related packages that just won't install - e.g. quanta, which I wanted to have a look at. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Joe Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, this is probably a bonehead user question but I'm just getting used to Debian. Not normally a bonehead :-( I would like/prefer to run 'stable'. Debian/Woody installed on my laptop perfectly fine. Wireless/WEP, IPsec, X all up and running SWEET. Unfortunately, the stable browser is 'zilla 1.0 :-( I would like to run a modern Mozilla, without updating the whole universe if possible. I've done the documented steps for accessing unstable (testing doesn't have anything newer) and rerun apt-get update and it sees the packages just fine. But when I try to upgrade mozilla it wants to install 293 packages ... uh, no. The man page indicates that apt-get upgrade doesn't handle single package upgrades -- to use dselect. Well dselect gets way way lost inside a tree I can't find my way out of. I spent an hour trying to make dselect happy, and I'm still lost. So finally I just went to the package directly using mozilla. It tells me of the dependancies, but allows me to download directly. But then kpackage barfs because it wants all the dependancies. Am I really supposed to spend all night long manually downloading all the dependancies? Ugh. So I am writing here in hopes I'm overlooking something. Please, tell me how one can update just one package and its dependancies, without doing a full-on conversion from Woody to unstable? If a single package forces one to upgrade completely to unstable branch, then the entire purpose of the trees appears to be a moot point. Now -- skip the download and compile yourself. No fun. And skip the 'download the 'zilla net installer and use that' -- because I already have. But I want to know how to solve this problem and stay within the Debian framework. Joe, If you want to upgrade just Mozilla in Woody rather than the whole host of things that Sid suggests you're going need to look at backports, take a look at www.apt-get.org but beware that using a range of backported products together can seriously mess your system up... If you think you might want to upgrade other packages in the future - and why not, Woody is *old* and most people happily run Sid on their desktops - you should look at dist-upgrading to Sid HTH. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] = --- Simon Tod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joe wrote: So I am writing here in hopes I'm overlooking something. Please, tell me how one can update just one package and its dependancies, without doing a full-on conversion from Woody to unstable? If a single package forces one to upgrade completely to unstable branch, then the entire purpose of the trees appears to be a moot point. Simon offered: If you want to upgrade just Mozilla in Woody rather than the whole host of things that Sid suggests you're going need to look at backports, take a look at www.apt-get.org but beware that using a range of backported products together can seriously mess your system up... That's good to know. If you think you might want to upgrade other packages in the future - and why not, Woody is *old* and most people happily run Sid on their desktops - you should look at dist-upgrading to Sid Is that the process I was seeing before? 1. Set the unstable archives to a higher preference in /etc/apt/preferences 2. apt-get upgrade to update the entire lot? ... or am I missing a step? I find it kindof sad that testing really doesn't appear to have any function any longer. One would like to run from testing and leave unstable for the well, unstable stuff. But I haven't really found much in testing, which means one must be stale, or bleed on the edge. Sux. In a perfect world, people would hammer things and then roll them into testing once they had been in unstable long enough without bug reports. This would allow us to keep high-uptime systems running the same kernels and such as our test/burn/destroy/rebuild laptops ;-) -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:35, Joe Rhett wrote: --snip-- 1. Set the unstable archives to a higher preference in /etc/apt/preferences 2. apt-get upgrade to update the entire lot? ... or am I missing a step? That's about it. Simple really. :) I find it kindof sad that testing really doesn't appear to have any function any longer. One would like to run from testing and leave unstable for the well, unstable stuff. But I haven't really found much in testing, which means one must be stale, or bleed on the edge. Sux. Well, in my experience, testing is most useful immediately following a new stable release, and least useful immediately preceding a new stable release. If you were to have started using Sarge right after Woody came out, I think you would have been rather happy. But now that everyone's trying to get Sarge ready to ship out, there's not many current things going in. Though Sid is definitely not the bleeding edge of stuff in Debian. Sid is, generally speaking, quite stable. There's the occasional hiccup, but I can count on one hand the number of major problems I've had with Sid in the entire time I've been using Debian. (About 2 years now) If you really want bleeding edge, you add experimental to your sources.list. That's where you get all the really fun stuff... :) In a perfect world, people would hammer things and then roll them into testing once they had been in unstable long enough without bug reports. This would allow us to keep high-uptime systems running the same kernels and such as our test/burn/destroy/rebuild laptops ;-) Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:35, Joe Rhett wrote: I find it kindof sad that testing really doesn't appear to have any function any longer. One would like to run from testing and leave unstable for the well, unstable stuff. But I haven't really found much in testing, which means one must be stale, or bleed on the edge. Sux. On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:23:48AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: Well, in my experience, testing is most useful immediately following a new stable release, and least useful immediately preceding a new stable release. If you were to have started using Sarge right after Woody came out, I think you would have been rather happy. But now that everyone's trying to get Sarge ready to ship out, there's not many current things going in. Isn't the point of testing that it should contain what will become stable? If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what, 2 years old? Unless I misunderstand the structure, shouldn't testing have lots of stuff in it just prior to a new release? There's almost zero updates in testing .. Though Sid is definitely not the bleeding edge of stuff in Debian. Sid is, generally speaking, quite stable. There's the occasional hiccup, but I can count on one hand the number of major problems I've had with Sid in the entire time I've been using Debian. (About 2 years now) If you really want bleeding edge, you add experimental to your sources.list. That's where you get all the really fun stuff... :) Okay, so testing isn't. Unstable is really testing and experimental (not described in the debian documentation) is really unstable? In a perfect world, people would hammer things and then roll them into testing once they had been in unstable long enough without bug reports. This would allow us to keep high-uptime systems running the same kernels and such as our test/burn/destroy/rebuild laptops ;-) Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) Then why is there really zero updates in testing? -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:00:14AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:23:48AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: Well, in my experience, testing is most useful immediately following a new stable release, and least useful immediately preceding a new stable release. If you were to have started using Sarge right after Woody came out, I think you would have been rather happy. But now that everyone's trying to get Sarge ready to ship out, there's not many current things going in. Isn't the point of testing that it should contain what will become stable? If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what, 2 years old? We're working on it, but the mozilla package is buggy, which makes it difficult to make the testing management scripts happy with it. Unless I misunderstand the structure, shouldn't testing have lots of stuff in it just prior to a new release? There's almost zero updates in testing .. That's not true. KDE 3 went in just a few days ago (albeit somewhat broken for now), for example. In a perfect world, people would hammer things and then roll them into testing once they had been in unstable long enough without bug reports. This would allow us to keep high-uptime systems running the same kernels and such as our test/burn/destroy/rebuild laptops ;-) Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) Then why is there really zero updates in testing? That's just rubbish, sorry. (I help manage testing; I watch what it's doing almost every day.) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:21:44 + Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not true. KDE 3 went in just a few days ago (albeit somewhat broken for now) Indeed. What would be really helpful would be if there was some easy-to-find running guidance on what testing users should do - like don't do a dist-upgrade just yet ... etc. Maybe there is such information - if so I'd like to know how to find it. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:52:34PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:21:44 + Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not true. KDE 3 went in just a few days ago (albeit somewhat broken for now) Indeed. What would be really helpful would be if there was some easy-to-find running guidance on what testing users should do - like don't do a dist-upgrade just yet ... etc. Maybe there is such information - if so I'd like to know how to find it. IRC channels are the best you're likely to do for running guidance. If there's really serious hose-your-system breakage then somebody usually posts to mailing lists about it; if it's just package conflicts and things, then, well, you should pay attention to what the package manager says it's going to remove and say no if it looks mad. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:20 + Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be really helpful would be if there was some easy-to-find running guidance on what testing users should do - like don't do a dist-upgrade just yet ... etc. Maybe there is such information - if so I'd like to know how to find it. IRC channels are the best you're likely to do for running guidance. If there's really serious hose-your-system breakage then somebody usually posts to mailing lists about it; if it's just package conflicts and things, then, well, you should pay attention to what the package manager says it's going to remove and say no if it looks mad. OK. Thanks. This may be a stupid question, but has consideration been given to having a 'holding area' between testing and stable to which stuff gets moved only when there are no breakages? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:57:02PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:20 + Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IRC channels are the best you're likely to do for running guidance. If there's really serious hose-your-system breakage then somebody usually posts to mailing lists about it; if it's just package conflicts and things, then, well, you should pay attention to what the package manager says it's going to remove and say no if it looks mad. OK. Thanks. This may be a stupid question, but has consideration been given to having a 'holding area' between testing and stable to which stuff gets moved only when there are no breakages? That's what testing is supposed to be. It would be too hard to try to construct yet another stage, I believe. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what, 2 years old? We're working on it, but the mozilla package is buggy, which makes it difficult to make the testing management scripts happy with it. So buggy that it runs 2 years behind? Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) Then why is there really zero updates in testing? That's just rubbish, sorry. (I help manage testing; I watch what it's doing almost every day.) Let me rephrase. Either the US mirrors are screwed, or there is less than a dozen packages in testing. Because adding testing to the sources list and doing an apt-get update (which was successful) and then trying to upgrade packages gets me next to nothing. I found hundreds more packages in 'security' than I did in testing, which actually baffles me since they should have much of the same content according to the debian guidelines. Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. In short, it appears that if one actually wants to use Debian as a desktop, one has no choice but to throw the debian guidelines out the window and run with unstable. This means you lose commonality with any server 'stable' systems you might need to run. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
-Original Message- From: Joe Rhett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alex Malinovich Subject: Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades? Let me rephrase. Either the US mirrors are screwed, or there is less than a dozen packages in testing. Because adding testing to the sources list and doing an apt-get update (which was successful) and then trying to upgrade packages gets me next to nothing. I found hundreds more packages in 'security' than I did in testing, which actually baffles me since they should have much of the same content according to the debian guidelines. Try adding this line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file and see if you get better results with your 'apt-get update': APT::Default-Release testing; I learned this trick from 'man 8 apt-get' -Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:51:45PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what, 2 years old? We're working on it, but the mozilla package is buggy, which makes it difficult to make the testing management scripts happy with it. So buggy that it runs 2 years behind? Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) Then why is there really zero updates in testing? That's just rubbish, sorry. (I help manage testing; I watch what it's doing almost every day.) Let me rephrase. Either the US mirrors are screwed, or there is less than a dozen packages in testing. Because adding testing to the sources list and doing an apt-get update (which was successful) and then trying to upgrade packages gets me next to nothing. I found hundreds more packages in 'security' than I did in testing, which actually baffles me since they should have much of the same content according to the debian guidelines. You seem to have a fairly big misconception here: Adding testing to the sources.list and doing an apt-get update and upgrade will _not_ reflect how many packages are in testing. Not by any stretch. First off, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade are very different: upgrade will install new versions of existing packages, but only as long as it doesn't have to add/remove other packages to satisfy depencencies. dist-upgrade will install or remove other things as needed to meet deps. HOWEVER, both of these commands are starting from the goal of upgrading to newer versions of packages you _already_ have installed. It gives you no idea what _else_ might be included in sarge. Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Fist off, you've already had the suggestion offered of using a backport for this. Before you get too carried away with complaining that the entire Debian process is useless, why don't you try the solution that works for so many people. Apt-get.org is your friend. Searching it for Mozilla tells me that Adrian Bunk (among others) is maintaining a backport. No, this is not an official part of Debian, but between Adrian's reputation and my own experiences, I'd say it might as well be. Oh, and on browsers: I've personally been extremely happy with Firebird (from the Mozilla folks). It isn't packaged as a deb anywhere I've seen, but just unpacking the tarball in /usr/local/bin and running it has worked fine for me. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. Aren't drivers generally part of the kernel, or kernel modules? Which in turn are pretty much independant of which branch you're running. You can compile whatever version kernel you want under woody/sarge/sid... and make-kpkg makes it almost shockingly easy. In short, it appears that if one actually wants to use Debian as a desktop, one has no choice but to throw the debian guidelines out the window and run with unstable. This means you lose commonality with any server 'stable' systems you might need to run. Nonsense. This is a very popular way of doing things, but by no means an unavoidable necessity. If you want a 'stable' system with later versions of just a few things, you can use backports or failing that, compile your own. If you want an in-between system, run testing with the caveat that just before a release, there's not a whole lot of new stuff going into testing. (Seem counter-intuitive? I believe the reason is that just before a release, the emphasis is on debugging the hell out of all the stuff that's already in testing so that it meets Debian's (very high) standards to qualify for the name 'stable' in time for release.) If you want more newer stuff than that, go ahead and run unstable. It seems to only get significantly broken very rarely, but things do go wrong sometimes when you run lots of really new versions of stuff. Cheers! -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | WARNING: Contains Language! Please do not | - Neil Gaiman reply off-list. | `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?#
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:51:45PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Joe Rhett wrote: If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what, 2 years old? We're working on it, but the mozilla package is buggy, which makes it difficult to make the testing management scripts happy with it. So buggy that it runs 2 years behind? If that weren't the case then it wouldn't be two years behind. This is a somewhat circular argument, but nevertheless true. (Sometimes we've been in the position where an upgrade to mozilla would break another package.) The release team are more than aware that this is not a tenable situation, though. It'll have to be resolved somehow before releasing sarge. Well, that's basically exactly how it works. There's quite a few extra details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :) Then why is there really zero updates in testing? That's just rubbish, sorry. (I help manage testing; I watch what it's doing almost every day.) Let me rephrase. Either the US mirrors are screwed, or there is less than a dozen packages in testing. Because adding testing to the sources list and doing an apt-get update (which was successful) and then trying to upgrade packages gets me next to nothing. I found hundreds more packages in 'security' than I did in testing, which actually baffles me since they should have much of the same content according to the debian guidelines. Ah, that would explain your confusion. 'apt-get upgrade' isn't what you want, since as documented in the apt-get(8) man page it will not install new packages. In particular, if you attempt to use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from stable to testing, it will refuse to upgrade libc6 because of that package's new dependency on libdb1-compat, and therefore virtually nothing else will be upgraded because it almost all depends on the new libc6. Don't use 'apt-get upgrade' to upgrade from one version of the distribution to the next. That said, it should have told you that some big number of packages were being held back. Perhaps my product selections are biased: I really could care less about the latest and greatest desktop. They are pretty. But a browser that actually works is required to do my job, for example. Testing has a perfectly usable version of mozilla-firebird, which I'd argue is a much better browser than plain mozilla. Updates to the wireless drivers to improve device support would be useful. Kernel updates go in pretty quickly, as a rule. wireless-tools is up to date in testing, and linux-wlan-ng is only a fraction behind unstable. Stuff that has been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the package pages) still isn't appearing in testing. Examples, please? I'd be happy to look at them and see what I can do; I can certainly explain what problems are involved. In short, it appears that if one actually wants to use Debian as a desktop, one has no choice but to throw the debian guidelines out the window and run with unstable. I actually use Debian testing as a desktop, eight hours a day, five days a week. It works great. This means you lose commonality with any server 'stable' systems you might need to run. As far as commonality goes (although I don't quite understand what you mean here), you should regard testing as closer to unstable in terms of versions of software than to stable, because for the most part it is, particularly in recent months. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
Okay, this is probably a bonehead user question but I'm just getting used to Debian. Not normally a bonehead :-( I would like/prefer to run 'stable'. Debian/Woody installed on my laptop perfectly fine. Wireless/WEP, IPsec, X all up and running SWEET. Unfortunately, the stable browser is 'zilla 1.0 :-( I would like to run a modern Mozilla, without updating the whole universe if possible. I've done the documented steps for accessing unstable (testing doesn't have anything newer) and rerun apt-get update and it sees the packages just fine. But when I try to upgrade mozilla it wants to install 293 packages ... uh, no. The man page indicates that apt-get upgrade doesn't handle single package upgrades -- to use dselect. Well dselect gets way way lost inside a tree I can't find my way out of. I spent an hour trying to make dselect happy, and I'm still lost. So finally I just went to the package directly using mozilla. It tells me of the dependancies, but allows me to download directly. But then kpackage barfs because it wants all the dependancies. Am I really supposed to spend all night long manually downloading all the dependancies? Ugh. So I am writing here in hopes I'm overlooking something. Please, tell me how one can update just one package and its dependancies, without doing a full-on conversion from Woody to unstable? If a single package forces one to upgrade completely to unstable branch, then the entire purpose of the trees appears to be a moot point. Now -- skip the download and compile yourself. No fun. And skip the 'download the 'zilla net installer and use that' -- because I already have. But I want to know how to solve this problem and stay within the Debian framework. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isite Services, Inc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Estou rodando a R3 do Debian e o meu package manager não está abrindo Clico em cima dele e ele fica como se estive compilando e nada. Não consigo instalar pacotes.. Gostaria de saber se tem como resolver esse problema.. Grato, Rafael
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Dear All, I can't open the package manager on Linux Under Kde I click on Package Manager Link but nothing appears.. So how can I fix this problem. I try to log with Gnome but the problem persist. I need help ! Tks, Rafael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
