Re: archiving older platforms
+1 to negligence, or might it be ignorance? The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. Cheers, Jesse Sent from my iPhone5.5 On 2013-03-21, at 3:41 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/ On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10
Re: archiving older platforms
+1 @Jesse The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. I prefer to look at it as the place to put code that you don't want getting in the way, or biting guests to your home. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Jesse MacFadyen purplecabb...@gmail.comwrote: +1 to negligence, or might it be ignorance? The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. Cheers, Jesse Sent from my iPhone5.5 On 2013-03-21, at 3:41 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/ On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable
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I don't think we can put unused platforms in the Apache Attic - I think its for complete projects AFAIK http://attic.apache.org/ On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.comwrote: +1 @Jesse The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. I prefer to look at it as the place to put code that you don't want getting in the way, or biting guests to your home. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Jesse MacFadyen purplecabb...@gmail.comwrote: +1 to negligence, or might it be ignorance? The attic sounds like its where you put code you're ashamed of. Cheers, Jesse Sent from my iPhone5.5 On 2013-03-21, at 3:41 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/ On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based
Re: archiving older platforms
+1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them
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+1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime
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+1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.cawrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see
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I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka
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This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our
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and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/ On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova
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Attic seems like more work than outright neglect. Might be for conceptual purity we want to move Bada there but I could see Qt and webOS rising from their slumber. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: and no apache attic [1] ? [1] http://attic.apache.org/ On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: This means we're going to leave Bada, Qt, webOS at their latest tags, and not dist. (Code still accessible, etc.) We'll continue as normal for BB, for now. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded? Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +1 On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until they find a steward. This means: - we won't be taggin them further - we won't be including them in a release This does not mean: - deletion or archiving or attic for the src (Think of it as a pause button!) Agree/disagree? On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say
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If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no benefit in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova. There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to their own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS repo is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least as far as the JS is concerned. So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus wants to do the work to support it through this transition. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.com wrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company
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Cordova for (Open) webOS is playing an important role, for still available hardware (TouchPad and Phones) and new hardware (there are Open webOS Ports for the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 for example). Also see http://blog.openwebosproject.org/post/39278618299/javascript-apps-for-open-webos-with-enyo-and-cordova for the official messaging Markus -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Sonntag, 17. März 2013 06:15 To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: archiving older platforms The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
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We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;) While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first. In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures. Hope that makes sense. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone. From: Anis KADRI Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: archiving older platforms s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.comwrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our
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s/QR/Qt On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer lorin.beer@gmail.comwrote: +1 Bada/webOS/QR echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly, and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
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According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
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+1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
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As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
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+1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well. For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have not been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the older BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion. On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.ca wrote: As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. It would probably be more accurate to say BlackBerry Java which includes BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we support all the way back 4.6 although no one tests that far back anymore. I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see Apache Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen a large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6. +1 Bada +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up for Ubuntu Phone +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to chime in with their opinion. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI anis.ka...@gmail.com wrote: According to [1]: Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic. I believe those projects satisfy the no active committers argument. I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS. Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer employed by the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I am sure but no new devices are getting shipped. Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple of weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of Windows Phone [4] As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are BB 6 and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers don't seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus should be on BB10. [1] http://attic.apache.org/ [2] http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it- tizen/2013-02-25 [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: The question has come up about our continued support for: - bada - webos - qt - bb6 bb7 Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However, I could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There are no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen, it seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older BB platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10. Thoughts?
