subject:"\[DISCUSS\] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0"

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
2.0. However on http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
 Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

 On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Start of discussion thread.
  --
  Thanks,
  Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

On 9/13/07, Anita Kulshreshtha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would like to see download links to the following items on the
 project site at http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html under
 prerequisites section.


Thanks for capturing this Anita. Also
http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.htm currently mentions the
pre-requisite as WebTools Platform Runtime 1.5.1 driver, version should be
updated to 2.0.

 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
  2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1


2.0.1 again! Am I missing something?? Shouldn't this be 2.0?

 3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
  4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
  5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3


 Thanks
 Anita

  On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  ===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites
 ===
 

 
  The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that
  must be
  installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are
  necessary
  to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:
 
  1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
  2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
  3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
  4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
  5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3
 
  You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but
  it is
  somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is
  based on
  the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download
  and unzip
  everything for you. You can get it from here:
 
  http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
 
  After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory)
  you can just
  invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three
  commands:
 
   ant win32
   ant linux
   ant macos
 
  It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the
  downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where
  everything has
  been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you
  should use to
  test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin.
 
  If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure
  you have
  the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function
  correctly.
  For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our
  plugin will
  not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and
  installs the
  WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts.
 
 
  Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two
  scenarios
  below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be
  installed and
  used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive
  though --
  do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate
  your
  Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script
  above).
 
 

 
  ===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything
 ===
 

 
  You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same
  directory
  where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you
  choose
  this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1
  server
  somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server
  configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly
  straightforward:
 
  1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse
  directory.
   You can download the plugin from here:
 
 

 http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip
 
  2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse
  directory. Select or
   accept the default workspace.
 
  3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:
 
   a. Close the Welcome tab
 
   b. Select Window -- Open Perspective -- Other -- Java EE
  You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the
  open
  perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your
  Eclipse
  workspace.
 
  4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:
 
   a. File -- New -- Other -- Server -- Server -- Next --
  Apache.
  At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server
  selection
  or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly.
 
   b. Select Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server -- Next -- then enter
  the root
  directory of your Geronimo server installation -- Next --
  Next --
  Next -- Finish
 
   c. Now in the Java EE perspective you should see the Apache
  Geronimo v2.0

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

On 9/13/07, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Start of discussion thread.

 Hi Tim,

 I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
 failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
 better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
 when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
 discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
 may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
 plugin's name. It can be confusing.

 I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
 it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
 towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
 process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
 just fine ;-))


Agree with Jacek about changing the name from g-eclipse-plugin-* to
geronimo-eclipse-plugin-*. There will then be consistency in what we have
and what we speak.

Jacek,
Will it be fine if we do this in the next release 2.1? We probably can have
a JIRA opened for this so that we don't loose track of this. Getting 2.0 out
will allow us to focus back on trunk, in which we want to propose some major
changes to Geronimo deployment plan editors.

- Shiva

Jacek

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 http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)


You'd have to ask Sachin why he named the assemblies that way.


-Donald

Jacek Laskowski wrote:

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Start of discussion thread.


Hi Tim,

I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
plugin's name. It can be confusing.

I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
just fine ;-))

Jacek



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now that 
there are 5 different distros -


 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all the 
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at the 
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/

Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by end of 
Sept.



-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

2007-09-13 Thread Ted Kirby

Tim and I have been working hard on getting the Download and Install
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ted,
 I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
 2.0. However on
 http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
 2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

 - Shiva


 On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
  Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 
  On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Start of discussion thread.
   --
   Thanks,
   Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

2007-09-13 Thread Anita Kulshreshtha

FWIW, I followed the Use Staging Site instructions and used update
manager's staging_site to download tomcat version on windows. The
server and the admin console started fine. I got download urls for
various parts from ant build file at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
   

Thanks
Anita
 
--- Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tim and I have been working hard on getting the Download and
 Install
 function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
 install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
 this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
 lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
 been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
 any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
 able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
 judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
 and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
 am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
 WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
 http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
 9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
 with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
 when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
 build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
 us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we
 use
 work.
 
 Ted Kirby
 
 On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ted,
  I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to
 2.0.1 from
  2.0. However on
  http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
  2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?
 
  - Shiva
 
 
  On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
   Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
   Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
  
   On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell
   
  
  
 
 
 



  

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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have nothing 
to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we want 
to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.x releases


I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases of 
Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected plugin 
releases


We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future plugin 
updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade to 
the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool 
dependencies



-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:

Tim and I have been working hard on getting the Download and Install
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva


On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell










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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now that
 there are 5 different distros -

  1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
 1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php

1) So Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (125MB) is actually Eclipse
Platform + WTP  it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only'
pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are currently
running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0  v1.2 servers are not
appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we have deferred using
this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I
guess not having another JIRA opened for this problem, is the source of
confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.

2) Eclipse Classic (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.

- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all
 the
 packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at
 the
 top of the following download page -


 http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/

 Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by end
 of
 Sept.


 -Donald

 Ted Kirby wrote:
  Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
  Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 
  On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Start of discussion thread.
  --
  Thanks,
  Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 9/13/07, Donald Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
  that
  there are 5 different distros -
 
   1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
  1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


 Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see
 http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php

 1) So Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (125MB) is actually Eclipse
 Platform + WTP  it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only'
 pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are currently
 running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0  v1.2 servers are not
 appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we have deferred using
 this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I
 guess not having another JIRA opened for this problem, is the source of
 confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.


GERONIMODEVTOOLS-204 opened for this.

2) Eclipse Classic (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct
 pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.

 - Shiva

 Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all
  the
  packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at
  the
  top of the following download page -
 
 
  http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/
 
  Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by
  end of
  Sept.
 
 
  -Donald
 
  Ted Kirby wrote:
   Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
   Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
  
   On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Start of discussion thread.
   --
   Thanks,
   Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Thanks for the clarification.  Guess if users only wanted Geronimo 2.0 server 
support, then they could use the intended for Java EE Developers package, as 
that has been working for me, but I've only been testing against a 2.0.1 
server


-Donald

Shiva Kumar H R wrote:


On 9/13/07, *Donald Woods* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
that
there are 5 different distros -

  1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see 
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php


1) So Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (125MB) is actually Eclipse 
Platform + WTP  it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only' 
pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are 
currently running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0  v1.2 
servers are not appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we 
have deferred using this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see 
GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I guess not having another JIRA opened for this 
problem, is the source of confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.


2) Eclipse Classic (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct 
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.


- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of
the all the
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1
RC1 at the
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/

Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship
by end of
Sept.


-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:
  Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
  Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 
  On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Start of discussion thread.
  --
  Thanks,
  Tim McConnell
 




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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Or use the WTP 2.0.1 All-in-one bundle when its released, as it should include 
the Eclipse SDK Classic bundle as the WTP 2.0 all-in-one bundle included.


-Donald

Donald Woods wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.  Guess if users only wanted Geronimo 2.0 
server support, then they could use the intended for Java EE 
Developers package, as that has been working for me, but I've only been 
testing against a 2.0.1 server


-Donald

Shiva Kumar H R wrote:


On 9/13/07, *Donald Woods* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
that
there are 5 different distros -

  1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform 
specific

1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see 
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php


1) So Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (125MB) is actually Eclipse 
Platform + WTP  it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the 
only' pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are 
currently running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0  v1.2 
servers are not appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we 
have deferred using this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see 
GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I guess not having another JIRA opened for this 
problem, is the source of confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.


2) Eclipse Classic (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct 
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.


- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of
the all the
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1
RC1 at the
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/ 



Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship
by end of
Sept.


-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:
  Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
  Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 
  On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Start of discussion thread.
  --
  Thanks,
  Tim McConnell
 




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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)


Great, thanks Ted

Ted Kirby wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell



--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Oh! wasn't aware of those problems. Hadn't tried Download and Install,
rather was directly unzipping the *deployable.zip. And everything worked
fine even with WTP 2.0 (wtp-all-in-one-sdk-win32).

Good that we have discovered Download and Install doesn't work with WTP
2.0 and only works with WTP 2.0.1RC1.

Thanks Donald for hinting that we don't need to update build.xml and rebuild
GEP.

I will re-test
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zipusing
WTP
2.0.1RC1 and post my results.

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have
nothing
to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we
want
to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.xreleases

I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases
of
Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected
plugin
releases

We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future
plugin
updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade
to
the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool
dependencies

-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:
Tim and I have been working hard on getting the Download and Install
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine. The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1. Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels. Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy. I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1. I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues. You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues. I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements. I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point. What level of
WTP are you using? The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA. I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1. Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level. It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1from
2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks good. Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Thanks for the reminder Anita, The project site and the accompanying release 
notes will be updated as soon as the release candidate is approved. I've also 
updated the Release Process steps (URL below) to include this step just so we 
don't forget. Thanks


http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/release-eclipse-plugin-process.html)


Anita Kulshreshtha wrote:

   I would like to see download links to the following items on the
project site at http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html under
prerequisites section.


1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3


   
Thanks

Anita


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===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites
   ===





The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that
must be 
installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are
necessary 
to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:


1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3

You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but
it is 
somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is
based on 
the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download
and unzip 
everything for you. You can get it from here:


http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml

After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory)
you can just 
invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three

commands:


ant win32
ant linux
ant macos
It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the 
downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where
everything has 
been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you
should use to 
test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin. 


If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure
you have
the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function
correctly. 
For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our

plugin will
not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and
installs the 
WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts. 



Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two
scenarios
below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be
installed and 
used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive
though -- 
do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate

your
Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script
above). 





===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything 
   ===





You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same
directory
where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you
choose 
this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1
server 
somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server 
configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly 
straightforward:


1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse
directory.
 You can download the plugin from here: 




http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip

2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse
directory. Select or
 accept the default workspace. 


3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:

 a. Close the Welcome tab

 b. Select Window -- Open Perspective -- Other -- Java EE
You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the
open 
perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your
Eclipse  
workspace.


4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:

 a. File -- New -- Other -- Server -- Server -- Next --
Apache. 
At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server

selection
or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly. 


 b. Select Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server -- Next -- then enter
the root 
directory of your Geronimo server installation -- Next --
Next -- 
Next -- Finish


 c. Now in the Java EE perspective you should see the Apache
Geronimo v2.0 
server (bottom pane, middle tab usually) that you can now
start in 
Eclipse

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

Hi Jacek, yes that's a very good idea. To be honest, I'm not sure why Sachin 
called it g-eclipse-plugin. But as Shiva has suggested I've opened a JIRA to 
include it in the next release


https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMODEVTOOLS-205


Jacek Laskowski wrote:

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Hi Tim,

I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
plugin's name. It can be confusing.

I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
just fine ;-))

Jacek



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)


Huge sigh of relief !! Thanks Anita

Anita Kulshreshtha wrote:

FWIW, I followed the Use Staging Site instructions and used update
manager's staging_site to download tomcat version on windows. The
server and the admin console started fine. I got download urls for
various parts from ant build file at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
   


Thanks
Anita
 
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Tim and I have been working hard on getting the Download and
Install
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we
use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to

2.0.1 from

2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva


On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

2007-09-13 Thread Ted Kirby

As to my frustrations, I was asked! :-)

Yes, that is a good point you raise about the distinction between
build level and user run level. I view it, however, as a beneficial
short-term tactic, until WTP.2.0.1 GAs, but not a beneficial long term
strategy or approach.

I think Tim provided great service and innovation by giving us
build.xml to download all the required eclipse bits. I think it makes
great sense to allow the user to use it to download eclipse at the
same level as the build, so users could easily get the supported
level. This is also well documented in the instructions at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/Geronimo_Eclipse_Plugin_2.0.0_Instructions-RC2.txt.

All things considered, I think it's a good thing to build and have
users run with the same level of eclipse.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have nothing
to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we want
to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.x releases

I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases of
Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected plugin
releases

We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future plugin
updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade to
the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool
dependencies

-Donald

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1
from
2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looks good. Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

2007-09-13 Thread Lin Sun

Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine 
without any prob!


I have noticed 2 things:

1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario) 
used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then 
choose the link called download additional server adapters when a user 
doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he 
can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or 
anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the 
list?


2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But 
right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up 
the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone 
else has noticed this?


Lin


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2007-09-13 Thread Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Lin Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine
 without any prob!

 I have noticed 2 things:

 1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario)
 used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then
 choose the link called download additional server adapters when a user
 doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he
 can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or
 anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the
 list?

Cool!  I just tried this.  It looks like it interrogates known sites
for supported servers.  It appears that once we add our plugins/server
adapters to our production site, they will be picked up.
Interestingly, when clicking this button, I was offered one Apache
Geronimo server: 1.2.0!  (from
http://www.apache.org/dist/geronimo/eclipse/updates/.)  So yeah, I
think we need to fix this.

Ted Kirby

 2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But
 right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up
 the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone
 else has noticed this?

 Lin


 Tim McConnell wrote:
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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)