[l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Dear All, with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the source have been introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think that it make much sense to consider this file as to be translated, but this is my opinion and would like your help to look into this issue and find a solution. Option 1) close this issue and set the file as not to translate Option 2) translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all languages going forward. Please start voting on one of the above options or ... provide additional feedback that may help coming to a solution. Thanks, Rafaella - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi Ain, On 12/09/08 14:46, Ain Vagula wrote: Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different countries with their own label producers to create their own extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... ;) this is a very valid point. However, we need someone from release engineering to comment if this is doable. Thanks, Rafaella - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different countries with their own label producers to create their own extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... ;) ain On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 15:29, Mechtilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Rafaella Braconi schrieb: >> Dear All, >> >> with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a >> number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the >> source have been introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think >> that it make much sense to consider this file as to be translated, but >> this is my opinion and would like your help to look into this issue and >> find a solution. >> >> Option 1) >> close this issue and set the file as not to translate > -1 >> >> Option 2) >> translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all >> languages going forward. > > translating it in all languages, where these products are available. > > Otherwise it could be disabled if possible > > > Gruß > > Mechtilde > > > -- > Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann > ## http://de.openoffice.org > ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA > ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris > ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de > ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Ain Vagula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension > (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different > countries with their own label producers to create their own > extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? > Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... > ;) > I vote for option 3. but if it can't, for option 2-1. The reasons, 1. There's a few people who knows German. Although they're the product names, if most of people can't read, or can't understand what it means, it will be useless. 2. Product names are not unique. Of course mostly are unique. but not all. I mean, in some cases, they might have different names for each languages. Option 2-1 : at first translate to English, if they have english names or they're sold in some countries which use English. And each translators make a decision whether they'll translate or not. Or translate then if the products have the names in translator's languge. However option 2-1 will be very hard. because each translator have to search what they are, and whether they have an another names. So, please remove them. -- Regards, JiHui Choi - http://Mr-Dust.pe.kr http://GIMP.kr, http://OpenOffice.or.kr, http://Ubuntu.or.kr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: Rafaella Braconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a > number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the > source have been introduced as to be translated. > > Option 1) > close this issue and set the file as not to translate -1 > > Option 2) > translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all > languages going forward. +1 and leave the decision to the translation teams. The products may be sold in several countries, so there might exist locale product names. André -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hello, Rafaella Braconi schrieb: > Dear All, > > with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a > number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the > source have been introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think > that it make much sense to consider this file as to be translated, but > this is my opinion and would like your help to look into this issue and > find a solution. > > Option 1) > close this issue and set the file as not to translate -1 > > Option 2) > translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all > languages going forward. translating it in all languages, where these products are available. Otherwise it could be disabled if possible Gruß Mechtilde -- Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann ## http://de.openoffice.org ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi Rafaella and All I vote for option 3. The recipe to generate an extension for labels is rather simple, and is given below http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=1459 Works perfectly, by the way. Should we open a specific issue? Olivier Rafaella Braconi escreveu: Hi Ain, On 12/09/08 14:46, Ain Vagula wrote: Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different countries with their own label producers to create their own extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... ;) this is a very valid point. However, we need someone from release engineering to comment if this is doable. Thanks, Rafaella - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Olivier Hallot Scinergy Consulting Tel (021) 2224-3224, (021) 8822-8812 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil http://www.scinergy.com.br OpenOffice.org L10N project leader for Brazil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[l10n-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds
Dear All, I would like to invite you to an l10n/QA meeting on IRC to discuss in more detail the topic: Quality assurance of l10n builds. Date/Time: Tuesday, December 16th at 5:00 pm UTC Channel: IRC network FreeNode, #ooonlc http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings#Logistics See you on IRC next Tuesday, Rafaella - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[l10n-dev] When will the localization will launch
What's the current schedule for the localization period. So far I havent heard the go from Aijin but I hope I just miss it. We are seen some strings already there but not sure if more will come. -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] When will the localization will launch
Hi Alexandro, On 12/09/08 17:45, Alexandro Colorado wrote: What's the current schedule for the localization period. So far I havent heard the go from Aijin but I hope I just miss it. We are seen some strings already there but not sure if more will come. very good question! With m37 most of Help Content changes have been integrated (CWS hcshared19). Ive already asked Aijin to update Pootle content based on the m37 (update will be announced separately). L10n key deadlines have been added to the release map at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease31 A more detailed translation schedule is on progress. Thanks, Rafaella - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] When will the localization will launch
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:00:07 -0600, Rafaella Braconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Alexandro, On 12/09/08 17:45, Alexandro Colorado wrote: What's the current schedule for the localization period. So far I havent heard the go from Aijin but I hope I just miss it. We are seen some strings already there but not sure if more will come. very good question! With m37 most of Help Content changes have been integrated (CWS hcshared19). Ive already asked Aijin to update Pootle content based on the m37 (update will be announced separately). L10n key deadlines have been added to the release map at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease31 A more detailed translation schedule is on progress. Thanks, Rafaella Thanks -- Alexandro Colorado CoLeader of OpenOffice.org ES http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds
Hi, Rafaella Braconi schrieb: I would like to invite you to an l10n/QA meeting on IRC to discuss in more detail the topic: Quality assurance of l10n builds. Date/Time: Tuesday, December 16th at 5:00 pm UTC Channel: IRC network FreeNode, #ooonlc I'll be around (maybe a little late, as I'm very busy at the job atm :( ). http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings#Logistics I did a small update, to make cleare that we need to look at two separate things. André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds
Hi Rafaella, all, Rafaella Braconi wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to invite you to an l10n/QA meeting on IRC to discuss in > more detail the topic: > Quality assurance of l10n builds. > > Date/Time: Tuesday, December 16th at 5:00 pm UTC > Channel: IRC network FreeNode, #ooonlc > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings#Logistics > > See you on IRC next Tuesday, I'll be there also. Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[l10n-dev] Re: [qa-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds
Hi Rafaella, Forwarded to JA qa list. Note that I don't expect an attendance from JA as 12/16 5:00pm UTC = 12/17 2:00am JST... Just our point of view. We have been compiling wikis for l10n releases. (written in Japanese) http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/QA/Release/2.4.2 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/QA/Release/3.0.1 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/QA/OOo3.0.0_QA_and_release_project http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo2.4.1ja_QA_and_release_project http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo2.4.0ja_QA_and_release_project http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo2.3.1ja_QA_and_release_project http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo2.3.0ja_QA_and_release_project http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo_2.2.1%E3%81%AE%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E7%89%88QA%E3%81%A8%E3%83%AA%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9 Best, From: Rafaella Braconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [qa-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:34:42 +0100 > Dear All, > > I would like to invite you to an l10n/QA meeting on IRC to discuss in more > detail the topic: > Quality assurance of l10n builds. > > Date/Time: Tuesday, December 16th at 5:00 pm UTC > Channel: IRC network FreeNode, #ooonlc > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings#Logistics > > See you on IRC next Tuesday, > > Rafaella > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] IRC Meeting on Quality assurance of l10n builds
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Rafaella Braconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings#Logistics Is there a place where one can read up about what is being done on the issues mentioned currently ? A sort of state-of-the-nation summary ... And, I had a separate question - what is the scope/extent of Quality Assurance when it comes to l10n builds ? I apologize if the questions are naive, but I would like to read about what the boundaries of a discussion are. ~s -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi Rafaella, From: Rafaella Braconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:21:24 +0100 > Dear All, > > with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a number of > strings which mainly include German *product names* in the source have been > introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think that it make much > sense to consider this file as to be translated, but this is my opinion and > would like your help to look into this issue and find a solution. > > Option 1) > close this issue and set the file as not to translate -1 > Option 2) > translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all languages > going forward. > > Please start voting on one of the above options or ... provide additional > feedback that may help coming to a solution. +1 -- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
I missed your e-mail... From: "Ain Vagula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:46:03 +0200 > Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension > (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different > countries with their own label producers to create their own > extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? > Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... > ;) > > ain +1 > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 15:29, Mechtilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Rafaella Braconi schrieb: > >> Dear All, > >> > >> with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a > >> number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the > >> source have been introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think > >> that it make much sense to consider this file as to be translated, but > >> this is my opinion and would like your help to look into this issue and > >> find a solution. > >> > >> Option 1) > >> close this issue and set the file as not to translate > > -1 > >> > >> Option 2) > >> translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all > >> languages going forward. > > > > translating it in all languages, where these products are available. > > > > Otherwise it could be disabled if possible > > > > > > Gruß > > > > Mechtilde > > > > > > -- > > Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann > > ## http://de.openoffice.org > > ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA > > ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris > > ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de > > ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi all and JiHui, Your opinion is very interesting, and I understand very much :) Thanks! From: "JiHui Choi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:08:39 +0900 > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Ain Vagula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension > > (and out of translation). This makes also possible for different > > countries with their own label producers to create their own > > extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? > > Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... > > ;) > > > I vote for option 3. > but if it can't, for option 2-1. > > The reasons, > 1. There's a few people who knows German. > Although they're the product names, if most of people can't read, or > can't understand what it means, it will be useless. > > 2. Product names are not unique. Of course mostly are unique. but not all. > I mean, in some cases, they might have different names for each languages. > > Option 2-1 : at first translate to English, if they have english names > or they're sold in some countries which use English. > And each translators make a decision whether they'll translate or not. > Or translate then if the products have the names in translator's > languge. > > However option 2-1 will be very hard. because each translator have to > search what they are, and whether they have an another names. So, > please remove them. > > -- > Regards, > JiHui Choi > - > http://Mr-Dust.pe.kr > http://GIMP.kr, http://OpenOffice.or.kr, http://Ubuntu.or.kr > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[l10n-dev] Pootle Update with DEV300_m37 on 12/12
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Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Hi Nakata-san On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Maho NAKATA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your opinion is very interesting, and I understand very much :) > Thanks! > I'm afraid no one can understand what I said because of my humble english. But you did. thanks :) We have some principles. 1. Don't translate the Product name. 2. Don't leave anything which is untranslatable. To avoid against violating two principles, 1. Use German as Product name. 2. If there exists locale product name, translate it. (But it's too hard to check) Of course the best is, remove them all. and allow to add as extension. :) -- Regards, JiHui Choi - http://Mr-Dust.pe.kr http://GIMP.kr, http://OpenOffice.or.kr, http://Ubuntu.or.kr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [l10n-dev] Proposal for issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791
Ain Vagula wrote in 2008-12-09 : >Option 3 - move all products with not-english name to an extension >(and out of translation). This makes also possible for different >countries with their own label producers to create their own >extensions. How many translators can handle source strings in German? >Maybe a lot (suspicious anyway). And in Chinese? Maybe a bit less... >;) +1 It's no much sense to keep so many labels. Some of them are almost same. I suggest OOo designers reconsider these labels and just keep some representatives. Regards! -- chenglin 2008-12-10 > >ain > >On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 15:29, Mechtilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Rafaella Braconi schrieb: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> with issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=96791 a >>> number of strings which mainly include German *product names* in the >>> source have been introduced as to be translated. Honestly, I don't think >>> that it make much sense to consider this file as to be translated, but >>> this is my opinion and would like your help to look into this issue and >>> find a solution. >>> >>> Option 1) >>> close this issue and set the file as not to translate >> -1 >>> >>> Option 2) >>> translate and maintain the translation of the product names in all >>> languages going forward. >> >> translating it in all languages, where these products are available. >> >> Otherwise it could be disabled if possible >> >> >> Gruß >> >> Mechtilde >> >> >> -- >> Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann >> ## http://de.openoffice.org >> ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA >> ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris >> ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de >> ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>
