Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-01-23 03.13: 9 PM German time would be even worse for China and Japan (2 AM/3 AM), it might be better for New Zealanders who wake up early. I would recommend to play around with the Time And Date meeting planer: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html To try out an extreme example use Los Angeles, Berlin, Beijing and Wellington. whew... I see, thanks! Seems the world is too large and there are not many combinations that really fit. :-( For the conference after this one, I propose that we ask people for their time zones and try to make the best combination possible. This will not work out for everyone, but at least it would be a fair try... Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] request for SIP providers
Hi Christine, Christine Louise Beems wrote on 2010-01-21 16.38: Two things about this... First of all: I'd like to join Bernhard with thanking you for your contributions. :-) Good to have you on board, and great to see you being involved! First, I like Skype. It is easy to install and use and I have always been given prompt professional responses to any questions. I think it totally depends. Alexandro told me about some countries who have no reliable internet connection, and for them, Skype would be no option. Second, Skype doesn't work reliably in all cases -- my firewall is quite restrictive, and sometimes calls work, sometimes they don't work at all. Third, Skype conferences are IMHO limited to 5 or 10 people, and they heavily depend on the internet connectivity and machine power everybody has. My favorite would be a combination of Skype, VoIP and PTSN systems, but that requires some work on our side. Second, I personally find telephone conferences awkward. I seem incapable to understand 'who is who' by simply listening to tone of voice and this impedes my participation (which I know may not be a problem for others). Also, in general I do not like the quality of VOIP (or cell) services due to reliability and clarity issues. And, as this entire conversation has illustrated, the technology currently available to make group voice-conferencing easy is NOT readily available to 'the masses' (due to prohibitive cost...), which of course is all the more reason that 'we' must push this envelope smile. I myself am curious to see how it works out on Monday with so many participants. I guess that such a large conference requires probably moderation and a structured agenda. Let's see how it works, and collect points for improvements - we then will see for which needs phone conferences fit, and for which other means of communication might be a better choice. I'm open to everything, the conferences are a first tryout. At the same time, in terms of group communication processes that seem to work well for large, widely dispersed participants, the most productive 'virtual' conferences I ever participated in were conducted during a dedicated 48-72 hour time slot and happened via email. This is also a very interesting approach, thanks for sharing it with us! Let's see how the Monday conference will work, and then check what we can improve. Looking forward to hearing all of you! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
Hi Christine, Christine Louise Beems wrote on 2010-01-21 15.52: My intention would be: To fund all the requests which have already been submitted exactly the same way (by the same decision-making process) that such requests have previously (traditionally, historically) been funded. This of course would include allocating funding for the annual conference and anything else that anyone already has on the calendar -- whether it is for next week or next year :-) To suspend decisions about all other requests until a (comfortable) funding policy is developed. ok, I see. That's basically what we do at the moment, I guess. Traditionally, marketing funding requests are two different items: costs for travels, mostly to trade shows or own events, and costs for collaterals. Every once in a while, there's a meeting, but that's it. However, I'd like to be faster than 6 months. 2010 will be an exciting and demanding year, and we might need funding for new types of requests, so the more effective and thus sooner we can work on the policies, the better it is. We have a fixed framework that is documented at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets and, together with my budget authorizers, I'd love to come up with some details on how this could work for marketing. Hope to have a draft to share soon. Is there a global calendar of all OOo-funded activities? Not yet. Louis tried to collect various events, but is not done yet -- it is, however, planned to have it public asap. If yes, is it easily updateable by the volunteer? That depends on how and where we publish it. Anyway, the volunteer can ask the responsible maintainer to update it on his/her behalf. If yes, is posting a comprehensive announcement to that calendar a requirement of receiving funds? The basic principle on how funding requests work is documented at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets -- basically, the budget holder (me) has to agree to it first and then one of the budget authorizers (John, Cor, Italo) have to support it. Opinions of either marcon@ or d...@marketing are considered during this process. I would not make it mandatory to have the event in the calendar, but it of course would be nice to have such a global calendar. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] request for SIP providers
Hi Davide, Davide Dozza wrote on 2010-01-14 12.15: I'm personally using Eutelia since 2005. http://www.euteliavoip.com/index.php?lang=en and they provide also free-of-charge accounts for incoming calls. The service is quite good and it's available in several countries. thanks a lot, that helps! I've just updated the phone conference page in the wiki at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Phone_Conferences and added a section about VoIP providers. Everyone else, please feel free to send in your SIP proposals, either via e-mail or by editing the web page. As a reminder, our current service will not be working anymore as of February, so we need another provider if we want to keep up phone conferencing. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference
Hi Some ideas and thoughts. Pls excuse my writing as I am dyslexic reusable, sign for around $51.00. I say reusable so that it can be used for, hopefully, other events during the year. Yes, we should try for the ALA conference every year or alternate year. We can also exhibit at a ALA regional event in between the national ALA conference. It would be a good idea to try and get other larger sponsors to help with this effort. Showing face consistently at these exhibits can only help show that we are really around and serious. One hit might not have much impact. Some signage for ODF would also be good. I think Louis is correct, ODF is a tactical tool to help OOo get adopted. A display showing the success of ODF adoption in other countries including OOo and/or a presentation I think would be beneficial. In fact, it might surprise many to see just how wide spread the adoption of ODF is and hence make our effort more convincing. Open Access is a popular movement amongst many Librarians and getting stronger. It is obvious that the dominant Office Suite restricts Open Access. This might be one point/theme we would want to put emphasis on. In general, I believe we would have better success pitching the adoption of OOo at the conference to poorer rural libraries that visit the booth, than large ones with huge IT teams i.e. NY Public library Russell On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.netwrote: Drew Jensen wrote: I will be glad to do it. Don't worry about the cost as I think I can cover that. If we do as others have with the CDs then we can recover at least some of the cost. Do you have the lead time needed for the printer after they 'acceptable' the art? For some reason I am thinking it is a week, but I have an email in to get a better answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-01-20 08.33: well that time slot is not too convenient for the APAC area. 1:00 AM in China, 2:00 AM in Japan, 3:00 AM in East-Australia and 5:00 AM in New Zealand. well, we had a public vote at http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=5p52mbss52maguib and not so many people from this area voted. It's not easy to fit all needs, but at least people need to vote and show their interest. Well among 13 people who voted there are 2 living in China (Dong Xiaohong and me), 1 in Japan (Kobayashi-san) and Graham is AFAIR from New Zealand. That' about 30%. Well, Graham doesn't seem to care about making calls in the middle of the night. Voting for majorities always poses the risk to exclude minorities. Due to the large number of time zones from U.S. West Coast to New Zealand a global phone conference will never work. Maybe it's better to have some regional sub-conferences. It's the same with Alexandro mentioning dialing in from several countries is not possible, therefore we need free dialin numbers worldwide. Apart from the money question, if I don't hear anything from these people, it's hard to take them into consideration :| I can recommend Jajah (http://jajah.com/) a Internet calling service. To join such a conference I would e.g. dial in to the German access point for less than 3 Euro-cent per minute. So, please spread the word and make everyone who might be interested aware! There's indeed a large number of long-term contributers on the addressed mailing lists. Would be interesting to get some of their points why they do not consider attending the phone conference. How can one attend when its country is not listed? :) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference
About flyers, printing and promotional/show materials in general... I strongly recommend (to my paying clients smile) that hard-copy publication of documents for promotional distribution be kept to a critical minimum for reasons of marketing effectiveness and responsible stewardship of resources. In this interest, there is only 1 printed document is produced in mass quantity to hand out at a show. This can be either a flyer or a showcard with outstanding graphic design (ie: curb appeal) that succinctly communicates the features, advantages and benefits of the service/product being promoted and clearly points the way to a website where comprehensive information is easily found. In light of the (excellent) idea Drew proposed (I was thinking we could offer the workstation/PCS as a public access kiosk for the attendees, say for someone that needs to print a resume. For those that have the 'deer in the headlights look' when they realize it's not MS we have a real live person there to get them started.) and the extensive reference materials that are avaialble, my suggestion would be to print several comprehensive sets of all readily available documents and assemble these (in page protectors) in a 3-ring binder. Make these binders available at the show table and also make it possible for someone who wants a hard copy to print it there at the booth... while at the same time pointing out that if they will go to the website referenced on the showcard, all the documents in the 3-ring binder are readily available for download smile. In addition, one of the things we *should* be thinking about and developing (as immediately as possible) is a 'promotional calendar'. This is accomplished by starting with the date of the event (in this case June 24-30, 2010 -- yes?) and backtracking to line-item what must be done by when. For example, we would want to aim for a 'media saturation campaign' during the entire month of June. This means that we would have to get 'news release' event announcements and promotional blurbs distributed to 'trade publications' (and various others) by no later than April 15 as it takes a minimum of 6 weeks lead time for such announcement to have the realistic possiblity of making print. And there are other things (like printing shipping deadlines) that must be considered and factored into an overall calendar/agenda of activities (which I know at present I should be posting to a wiki somewhere, but confess I simply get lost when wading my way through the OOo related webspace). Which brings up another point I've been meaning to raise for a while... in that it takes me something like a dozen clicks (and I have to somewhat know where I am going) to get from the OOo homepage to the archive of our news releases... and in terms of making things easy for reporters to access the kind of infomation they need in order to convey accurate information about us to their readers, our news release archive section should easily accessible from just about every page of the whole OOo site smile. And about banners... think how kewl it would be to 'print our own' (totally awesome) banner(s) using OOo to do the design and then be able to say to show attendees... 'see, look what can be easily done with OOo... and you can do it too!!!' Again, only my 3cents... Still, all validated by my personal/professional experience in terms of 'what really works'. As always, thanks for listening... ~Christine - Original Message - From: Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference Andy, Sign - no. Joyce got a quote for a 3 ft banner today, but she hasn't gotten that to me yet. Flier - ah, tell you the truth I didn't really have to time to look that over, I will do so this weekend OK. Thanks Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi, Sophie wrote on 2010-01-23 18.30: How can one attend when its country is not listed? :) where is your country missing? Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Sophie wrote on 2010-01-23 18.30: How can one attend when its country is not listed? :) where is your country missing? here: http://www.talkyoo.net/main/telefonkonferenz_internationale_rufnummern Deutschland (HH): Deutschland (M): Österreich: Schweiz: U.S.A (L.A.): Frankreich (Paris): Niederlande : Italien (Rom): Italien (Mailand): UK: (TEST) Spanien: (TEST) Kind regards Sophie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Christine Louise Beems christ...@gozarks.com wrote: Question: I'm new to UTC... could someone who is knowledgable confirm (or correct) my calculationg that 1800 UTC+1 is equal to 1pm Central Standard Time on Monday, January 25... in the USA? Thanks... ~Christine A tip to learn UTC (or get used to it) is to put alarms on your watch-cellphone announcing the UTC time in your local time. After a week, your brain will be able to bookmark relevant time cycles. For people doing a lot of international meetings UTC is a real blessing. - Original Message - From: Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org To: p...@marketing.openoffice.org Cc: dev@marketing.openoffice.org; mar...@marketing.openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:08 AM Subject: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-01-20 08.33: well that time slot is not too convenient for the APAC area. 1:00 AM in China, 2:00 AM in Japan, 3:00 AM in East-Australia and 5:00 AM in New Zealand. well, we had a public vote at http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=5p52mbss52maguib and not so many people from this area voted. It's not easy to fit all needs, but at least people need to vote and show their interest. It's the same with Alexandro mentioning dialing in from several countries is not possible, therefore we need free dialin numbers worldwide. Apart from the money question, if I don't hear anything from these people, it's hard to take them into consideration :| So, please spread the word and make everyone who might be interested aware! Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Espantilde;ol IM: j...@jabber.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Sophie, Sophie wrote on 2010-01-23 19.03: http://www.talkyoo.net/main/telefonkonferenz_internationale_rufnummern they do not offer more countries. Beginning with February, we will only be having dial-ins in USA and Germany so we should get used to it until we have a working solution. :-) Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Sophie and Florian While calling international numbers can be *very* expensive especially if the time is a Peak hour in your country, you could always use the Skype option - if you have the equipment - which is free. However, if you don't then I agree that it makes it a lot harder to dial in to the conference. Hamish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
[marketing] Re: dial-in details for phone conference
Hi, Hamish Bell wrote on 2010-01-23 19.13: While calling international numbers can be *very* expensive especially if the time is a Peak hour in your country, you could always use the Skype option - if you have the equipment - which is free. the Skype option is said to be not reliable with talkyoo, but give it a try. I never tried out and would be happy if it works better than I heard. We'll see on Monday. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi, Hamish Bell wrote: Hi Sophie and Florian While calling international numbers can be *very* expensive especially if the time is a Peak hour in your country, you could always use the Skype option - if you have the equipment - which is free. you can e.g. use 'Skype Out' to dial in to one of the provided nodes in the US or Europe. Costs should be about 3 Euro-Cent from most of the world. As mentioned before I'm using Jajah (http://jajah.com) from China because quality of Service is better than Skype here. BTW, I'm not advertising Jajah in particular, it's just the only Internet calling service I know, I'm sure there must be a lot more. However, if you don't then I agree that it makes it a lot harder to dial in to the conference. I live in China for almost 4 years now and I never found it hard (or expensive) to dial anyone or anything. One just needs to know what to do. The only obstacles I have met are time zones and quality of service. Best regards, Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference
Follow up: Andy Brown wrote: Drew Jensen wrote: I will be glad to do it. Don't worry about the cost as I think I can cover that. If we do as others have with the CDs then we can recover at least some of the cost. Do you have the lead time needed for the printer after they 'acceptable' the art? For some reason I am thinking it is a week, but I have an email in to get a better answer. The time is variable from 3 to 21 days. The shorter the time the higher the shipping and processing cost. So the sooner I can get the order in the better. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-01-23 03.13: 9 PM German time would be even worse for China and Japan (2 AM/3 AM), it might be better for New Zealanders who wake up early. I would recommend to play around with the Time And Date meeting planer: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html To try out an extreme example use Los Angeles, Berlin, Beijing and Wellington. whew... I see, thanks! Seems the world is too large and there are not many combinations that really fit. :-( ;-) For the conference after this one, I propose that we ask people for their time zones and try to make the best combination possible. This will not work out for everyone, but at least it would be a fair try... Finding the appropriate time might also depend on the topics to discuss. For example if we discuss promoting OOo in Asia one day, you would surely choose a different time slot than for the same topic in the context of US West Coast. Best regards, Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] American Library Association 2010 Annual Conference
Hi Russell, WorldLabel.com wrote: Hi Some ideas and thoughts. Pls excuse my writing as I am dyslexic I know how that goes as I have the same problem. reusable, sign for around $51.00. I say reusable so that it can be used for, hopefully, other events during the year. Yes, we should try for the ALA conference every year or alternate year. We can also exhibit at a ALA regional event in between the national ALA conference. It would be a good idea to try and get other larger sponsors to help with this effort. Showing face consistently at these exhibits can only help show that we are really around and serious. One hit might not have much impact. I agree that we need to start having a presents at these and other like events. Some signage for ODF would also be good. I think Louis is correct, ODF is a tactical tool to help OOo get adopted. A display showing the success of ODF adoption in other countries including OOo and/or a presentation I think would be beneficial. In fact, it might surprise many to see just how wide spread the adoption of ODF is and hence make our effort more convincing. I agree, but how to incorporate it in the sign? Open Access is a popular movement amongst many Librarians and getting stronger. It is obvious that the dominant Office Suite restricts Open Access. This might be one point/theme we would want to put emphasis on. I have just mailed out 30 disk to a university in PA for an Open Source panel discussion that is planed for next month. I hope to be able get the poc there to help develop some marketing ideas for other such groups. In general, I believe we would have better success pitching the adoption of OOo at the conference to poorer rural libraries that visit the booth, than large ones with huge IT teams i.e. NY Public library I believe your right and that is who we need to reach. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Re: [pr] Re: [marketing] dial-in details for phone conference
Hi Sophie, Sophie wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote: Hi Florian, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-01-20 08.33: well that time slot is not too convenient for the APAC area. 1:00 AM in China, 2:00 AM in Japan, 3:00 AM in East-Australia and 5:00 AM in New Zealand. well, we had a public vote at http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=5p52mbss52maguib and not so many people from this area voted. It's not easy to fit all needs, but at least people need to vote and show their interest. Well among 13 people who voted there are 2 living in China (Dong Xiaohong and me), 1 in Japan (Kobayashi-san) and Graham is AFAIR from New Zealand. That' about 30%. Well, Graham doesn't seem to care about making calls in the middle of the night. Voting for majorities always poses the risk to exclude minorities. Due to the large number of time zones from U.S. West Coast to New Zealand a global phone conference will never work. Maybe it's better to have some regional sub-conferences. It's the same with Alexandro mentioning dialing in from several countries is not possible, therefore we need free dialin numbers worldwide. Apart from the money question, if I don't hear anything from these people, it's hard to take them into consideration :| I can recommend Jajah (http://jajah.com/) a Internet calling service. To join such a conference I would e.g. dial in to the German access point for less than 3 Euro-cent per minute. So, please spread the word and make everyone who might be interested aware! There's indeed a large number of long-term contributers on the addressed mailing lists. Would be interesting to get some of their points why they do not consider attending the phone conference. How can one attend when its country is not listed? :) I'm international. ;-) To get serious again, as I already mentioned in this thread, there are Internet calling services that can provide inexpensive access to dial into the European or US nodes. Best regards, Peter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
